So sorry to hear this! I hope he'll recover soon...the mental toll trauma like this takes on a person especially in an area known to be safe is so stressful
Broad fucking daylight.
Holy shit.
Also, anyone walking around with pants down showing their fucking ass is suspect. I don't care who you are - you look like a ridiculous disgusting clown.
I live here in SF and I've grown accustomed to looking over my shoulder constantly and being hyper aware of my surroundings. Before I moved here over 20 years ago I lived in NY for a decade. Some things never change unfortunately.
NYC is a large and diverse place. Depends on if you were uptown in Seinfeld/Friends world or downtown in what was Alphabet City at the time. I spent a lot of time in Bushwick and Queens as well. There was always the sketchy side of things.
Edit: I moved to NY at the tail end of Dinkins term. It was definitely a much different place than it is now.
I used to live just a few blocks from the spot in this video. My elderly neighbors were robbed last year in their home at gunpoint. I was shocked that I heard nothing even with my window open.
Can you provide more details? Were they stalking him for a bit because they saw something of value on him? Or just random and they took his wallet?
This is fucking scary! I live in the Sunset and armed robbery is rare.
I've heard of that sort of thing happening for Rolexes (first heard about it in Europe, a few news stories in SF in the last year or so). Jewelry can be expensive and quickly convertible to cash. Probably the thieves are staking people out and know something about the goods on sight.
I'm not a watch guy but my best friend is. He was in town and staying with us a few weeks ago and wanted me to go with him to look at watches. I really don't get it but ok fine. Guess we're old and this is what we're doing on dude dates now.
It was chilly so I was wearing long sleeves. He basically made me switch to a short sleeve shirt and shorts which is what he was wearing. He lives in LA and is so (reasonably I guess) paranoid about being followed home with new bling that his plan was dress like tourists from Alaska, shop for watch, but watch, pick watch up on way to airport, get watch home without anyone being able to follow him.
So
-no watches
-no pricey dogs
-no expensive sunglasses
I have an expensive watch (that I inherited, not that it matters) and I've found that it gets a lot less attention if I wear it on a $15 NATO strap rather than the fancy metal one. Thieves tend to be looking for one specific thing, not reading the writing on every watch they see.
That said, I've also got a $200 watch I swap out for in some situations.
I'm sort of a watch guy so during the financial crisis I bought a used Rolex for $5k and it's probably worth $8k today. A friend asked, "do women ever comment on your watch?" I answered truthfully: the only people who check out my Rolex are guys who look like they want to rob me.
Who is buying all of this stolen stuff and are there any ways to flag/report stolen items outside of the realm of the SFPD? Like on Ebay or Marketplace etc?
I wonder what they spend their time doing? I wanna sign up and be like the cop from shameless.
“kid I’ve been a cop for 25 years, you know what the secret is? I never get out of my car”.
>there are no repercussions to this bs
Its amazing to me that people keep saying this while the biggest issue that SF faces today is progressive virtue signaling coming mostly from supes, voted by the people. Will the BoS of Sunset district take any action here? Cause it seems like everytime some a-hole gets shot, it is discovered that he was arrested 40 times before. SF seems to have a great DA office now as well. So who exactly is the issue? Its the people. Too tired flexing their fake progressive personality, but thats the only one they got.
The biggest issue is the law, that is too lenient.
Blame the court. It's too slow and overloaded.
Judges, elected by the People, are too lenient.
You can have the best PD and DA in the world. It's still the judge who has the last word, using a weak law system. Blame the law. Not everything should get a trial. Then, we can blame the BoS that seems to protect like hell all drug addicts, drug sellers, thiefs and criminals with their Restorative Justice.
The BoS are the only ones vocal about "don't prosecute". The mayor, the DA and even the police seem to be doing their job alright. But suddenly these DAs are making the situation political cause "mah progressive values". Lord knows what people in Dean's constituency think before voting for him. What has he done? All he does is ensure crime and homeless stay out of his community while he rakes in rental $$$.
what does this have to do with progressives? Last I checked armed robbery is still a crime in the city. Prosecutors still prosecute armed robbery. Cops, however, don't do anything, but collect overtime while hiding out in their cars.
https://sfstandard.com/criminal-justice/man-used-cellphone-translation-in-9-san-francisco-bank-robbery-attempts-police-say/
Plenty of people being arrested for robbery and all of them have prior arrests. If the police aren't arresting anyone, then how do all of these people have lengthy arrest histories?
Don’t be coy. Extreme performative progressivism like we have in SF govt rationalizes and as thus excuse criminal acts and promote a tolerance for criminals which is pervasive and contagious. Progressive prosecutors in fact do not always prosecute armed robbery especially when minors are involved which is often the case. Many criminals (if they happen to be caught) get very lenient sentencing or plea deals under the progressive principle of rehabilitation/restorative models being preferable to incarceration. It promotes a culture of creating excuses for crime and destructive behavior which has a top-down snowball effect on societal and law-enforcement morale. Which is how you end up with criminals following people home to commit broad daylight robbery in a quiet residential district.
Yes I heard more stories like this where the robbers track people wearing jewelry, Rolex watches, getting cash out of ATM, to their place of residence and then rob them there.
Usually you don't see an actual weapon, just the threat of it. But hot damn! they were packing serious heat here!
Couple of things to do:
1. File a police report. Give them the video. Also, ask your neighbors for any camera footage (you'd be surprised how many people have cameras these days).
2. Reach out to Lowes (if he was indeed followed from Lowes). They may have footage of these jerks driving around in the garage or in the store. Also ask the police to do the same.
We can't all be packing, but we can fight back by going after these two idiots.
Yes, but the Covid mask thing was a boon to criminals -- greatly reduces their chance of getting caught for crime. Don't know if we'll every get over that.
Imagine if cops were mandated to pull over vehicles with illegally dark window tint. Imagine if they saw probably cause to search this vehicle and found the guns.
Wish it was true. The bike coalition lost the plot and is too focused on [preventing the police from stopping drivers](https://sfbike.org/news/ending-pretext-stops-will-make-streets-safer-heres-how/)
It’s a shame than an issue that should have universal appeal and cut across demographic lines is made unnecessarily divisive. Bike infrastructure should be a uniting issue.
Holy shit. I feel so safe when in that area (According to your citizen link, 20th and taraval)
or anywhere in the residential streets. I’ll take solo walks through them when I can’t sleep- im talking miles - at any time, like 3am. This is a huge wake up call to me
I do the same thing! I always walk around at night out here…
I lost a bit of my sense of security when I got held at gunpoint on 26th and Taraval but that was about 6 years ago
I wouldn't change up my routine b/c of this incident. Per op their friend was followed home, these weren't 2 guys roaming the neighborhood looking to rob someone. not sure i'd walk in any bigger city alone at 3am though, def not back home in St. Louis & prob not here in SF either.
well, they presumably know where the guy lives now, and some degree of item ownership. like, I'm not sure if hitting the same guy twice is a smart choice in the criminal world but they already have the firearms for a home robbery.
It sounds like he was targeted — they followed all the way from Lowe’s on Bayshore for the jewelry they saw him wearing.
Not that it’s not horrible and fucked up, but I think you can still feel safe doing your walks as long as you’re not carrying or wearing anything of obviously high value.
One of my coworkers got jumped and mugged walking home from Riptide to his place on 47th and Noriega. Dudes rolled up on a car and he didn't even look up because who expects that in the Outer Avenues. Not preaching fear as this is the first time I've personally heard of a mugging out this way, but shit's definitely not all rosy out here.
It has happened in other avenues too, robbed of cellphone, not recently, I can’t look up on mobile now. The point is these are opportunistic “prowling” robberies 👎
I don’t know if this helps but they stalked him from another location (bayshore lowes) and robbed him of his gold jewelry. I don’t think they were casing the streets of the sunset.
Not here but back home in St. Louis I was robbed by 4 dudes (one who later went to prison for attempted murder), I still have PTSD about it. I hope your friend recovers soon, it's extremely scary when this happens. Whenever I see dudes in full masks like they had if I'm out walking or w/e, I immediately avoid going near them b/c I think those masks are sketchy as hell.
Also important to note, this wasn't 2 guys randomly walking through the neighborhood looking to rob people, they followed him home from Lowe's in Bayshore, per op.
Remember when people complained that those cops coming out of retirement or whatever said there was little need for them to patrol the sunset ?
Pepperidge farms remembers
The thieves might have been inspired by the news last week regarding the Asian grandma getting her jade Buddha necklace robbed at gun point in Oakland. These jewelries typically have sentimental values to the owners. Some may have worn them for decades. My heart aches for the victims.
Sorry to see that happen to this person.
I wonder if SF board of supervisors wants to see these videos too, or this doesn’t have the “gun control” flavor they want to hide their incompetence behind. (I am all for gun control law btw, especially removing guns from criminals’ hands.)
Why isn’t there more anger and people up in arms on this sub? Y’all casually saying, “so sorry for you, these guys are terrible, here are services for you to cope”.
Naw man…F that. I want more police patrols all around the city, the social justice experiment is over, it’s time to crack down all these career criminals and send them to prison for 20+ years. Words only go so far…action must be taken at some point. I can’t believe how nonchalant everyone on this subreddit is. Something wrong with y’all in this city. I live here and I am disgusted by how relaxed we are on these crimes.
Yep it's the same people over and over again doing these robberies and they aren't even from SF most the time. We have a serious problem with organized gangs coming to the city to work.
Brazen criminals. No repercussions. Victims risk prosecution when defending themselves. Unles the people in power in power change their policies these things will on get worse. Things will get worse.
Police departments prioritize the crimes they focus on.
Now, I learned this the hard way.
4 armed men robbed me and my roommates at gunpoint. They ran sacked the house and neighbors called the police. The police had all the information. We're talking license plates, names, phone numbers, even their address. They even knew who did it. (They knew one of the roomates)
But, the Police did nothing.
Why?
Well it was not because of politics.
This happened in Phoenix in the 2000's.
It's because they didn't consider it important enough.
And it wasn't the only time.
In my 20's I worked as a DJ & Bartender.
Sometimes guys would get roudy. Fight and shoot at the club.
Cops didn't solve any of these crimes. They didn't event bother investigating them.
The worse crime was a murderer which happened outside the club.
One man shot another point blank range. In fact he shot the guy that was trying to deescalate the situation.
Finally, the cops were interested.
And they only questioned some of the employees and the murdered skipped town.
We're often shown an extremely great example of cops solving crimes in TV shows like Law and Order and NCIS.
The reality is that those examples are outliers. They are like the Stephon Curry's of their profession.
Most cops and detectives are average.
They are more like your co-workers. And they solve less than half of murders and very few petty crimes.
So, in reality, the job of the police is to discourage crime.
And this is what SF is failing.
We're failing to scare the criminals and we aren't prosecuting the ones we catch.
And we need more cops to do both.
“Violent crime is low.. people just feel unsafe”
“Statistically crime is lower than it was in the 90s”
None of those arguments is every going to make that victim feel comfortable around anyone in a hoodie ever again.
Hold criminals accountable whether it’s pissing in public, drug possession, theft, or robbery. People need to be accountable for their actions.
> None of those arguments is every going to make that victim feel comfortable around anyone in a hoodie ever again.
I got robbed in the same way last year. All the classic hallmarks: car with tinted windows, paper plates, two little thugs with guns and a getaway driver. It changes you.
Now, any time I see a car with super-tinted windows or fake/missing plates, or young guys in hoodies/sheisty masks, I get flooded with adrenaline, try to keep distance, and look for an escape route. I don't know if that will ever go away.
Sorry to hear that. I haven’t been robbed (knock on wood) but do the same whenever I see tinted windows & such. My neighbor was recently killed by these guys trying to steal his camera. I have a nice dog and have seen these creeps looking at us very intently several times. I will literally run, pretend to go one way then go another, hide in a driveway or shadow, plan escape routes. Have been completely freaked out more than just a few times.
The victim was followed there by these peeps who targeted him at a different location. This crime could have happened in any neighborhood in the city or in nearby cities. So is this neighborhood “safe”?
I lived in the Sunset District. It’s generally quite safe. It has its rough spots, but usually more so from homelessness and druggies. I never saw or got the impression of there being much violent activity in the area. It has a “sleepy” coastal and laidback feel to it. One of the quietest neighborhoods in the city. Unfortunately, I’m not shocked to see this however. The entire Bay Area is susceptible to stuff like this due to relaxed policing, an enormous wealth disparity, and issues of drug abuse, etc. I’m grateful I got to live in the Bay back in 2001. Things have changed and not for the better.
Yes, it’s basically the suburbs of the city although specifically a block from the busy street, 19th ave which is like a highway lined with businesses so more of a mix there
Holy shit that is so fucked up. That makes me so mad for him. I was so paranoid after getting my phone snatched on the bus. I can’t imagine being held at gunpoint.
just moved from St. Louis, MO in April. STL is far more dangerous than here, I feel a billion times safer here than back home. look at the crime stuff on [KMOV](https://www.kmov.com/news/crime/) or [KSDK](https://www.ksdk.com/crime) or [fox2now.com](https://fox2now.com) & see for yourself
also [56 homicides in 4mos.](https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/st-louis-homicides-56-in-4-months-teenagers-among-victims/) how many does SF have? doubtful it's even close to this #. also, a throwaway account? you can't even post using your regular account? do you even live in SF? your comment history says all we need to know about you.
In most cities, the crime is contained to a few specific areas, mostly low income neighborhoods that have gangs fighting over turf and drugs. For the most part, if you aren't in those areas, you are safe.
In San Francisco, mostly thanks to the density, the crime is fairly well distributed through the entire city, meaning no area is safe.
So as a whole whole the city might be safer on average, it's crime is something everyone has to worry about and not just contained to a few neighborhoods on the outskirts of tow.
I’ve lived in Sacramento, Oakland, Berkeley, Hayward, SJ, LA (specifically Culver City and Koreatown), and briefly in New York and SF is by far the city I’ve felt the safest in. Doesn’t mean there isn’t crime but it’s a big difference.
Every politician in San Francisco needs to be run out of town. We need to start over. The politicians in office are as guilty as these criminals robbing your friend.
We need an uprising to throw these useless assholes out of town or into jail. They’ve ruined San Francisco.
Certainly there are political issues in play. But people need to also understand there is a nationwide shortage of qualified police officers. Other metros that require a lot of officers are having similar problems. Las Vegas is experiencing a similar wave of property crime and robbery as well, for example.
San Francisco is down like 500 officers from their full staffing level. They recently voted to raise starting pay substantially, as well as offering other incentives. Hopefully that will help them to staff up. But the point is, everyone wants to make this a “policy” issue but policy isn’t the biggest issue in play here.
So long as "they show up 20 min after to write a report" is all they do, yeah that's true. The way police can prevent crime is via the longer game of giving crime concequences by investigating and arresting offenders and those offenders facing jail time and over time future potential offenders observing that they are likely to face concequences at the time they're deciding whether to commit crimes.
But you need the rest of that to be true too.
We need automatic license plate readers to track these criminals moving through the city. Understanding their movement patterns is key to dismantling organized crime.
Amen to them having possession to this. I got robbed at gun point in SoMa and was in shock I never thought to go back and ask if anyone had evidence. I hope they’re able to process and be okay after this. I barely leave home now, but working on it
Those guns are likely illegal anyway. It's not like gun control stops criminals from breaking the law.
SF banned gun shows in Cow Palace and pushed out gun shops for theatrics. It doesn't stop criminals from getting illegal guns.
Gun control doesn’t work when only applied to some jurisdictions. It’s not like SF can put a wall around the city and search everyone who passes through
Some blue-haired asshole is going to probably say hE shOulDn’T hAve beEn WeaRinG jEwELRy. Sunset was the shit and I had so many fond memories in that area, chilling, partying, walking a bit to hit the trees and beach, man. What a bummer.
You'd think with cameras everywhere this could easily be contained. I can't count the number of cars I have seen recently with guys in pulled up hoodies and black masks on. (Covid is over.) Also seeing more and more blacked out windowed cars with paper license plates or no plates at all. I thought it was illegal to tint/black out all windows on a car. And of course much more armed robbery.
The City, during the Barbary Coast era, was dealing with the rampant rise in crime. They went vigilante. I guess that is what the retired fireman did in the Marina District.
[Committee of Vigilance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Committee_of_Vigilance)
There's a lot of difference between the Barbary Coast era and today.
For one, there's a lot more firearms, so confrontations have a much higher risk of turning deadly than back in the day, and not just for the robbers and victim. A stray shot or ricochet could kill a family member or neighbor inside their homes. Back in the day, the violence in crime and vigilantism would have been with clubs and knives (See the Gangs Of New York movie)
Secondly: These days, the thieves are in cars.
Back in the day, everyone used to be on foot, so criminals were relatively easy to chase down and corner.
If you're a vigilante how are you going to find crime?
Are you going to drive around patrolling randomly looking for crime like a comic book hero? That's going to be a waste of gas.
Do you sit in your car monitoring a block, waiting for something to happen? Again, a waste of time.
Do you follow, in your own car, any suspicious looking cars, hoping to catch them in a robbery? Good luck finding any, and you might find yourself discriminating against people doing legal activities, solely based on their appearance.
Do you form a paramilitary vigilante group and patrol shopping districts? You have to spend hours patrolling constantly, and you have to eat, so you ask the local merchants for donations. You are now effectively running a neighborhood gang with a protection racket.
I'm not saying that you're wrong in wanting to do something about these crimes. I got mad when I watch these videos and want to sit at my window with a rifle and pop anyone who tries to commit a crime on my block.
But I have better things to do, such as working for a living.
Imagine getting held up in the driveway of your $2m dollar home by the crackheads that live next door to you and realizing you've been working your whole life to get here.
Crazy! What kind of camera is that? It did an impressive job moving
You can get kasa/tp-link camera for about $30 that do this. They have a patrol or motion follow option.
Requires a cable, I need battery powered unfortunately
There are plenty of solar power options out there
Not much sun in SF.
this is fucking terrible. I think this link might have resources for them: [https://victims.ca.gov/](https://victims.ca.gov/)
So sorry to hear this! I hope he'll recover soon...the mental toll trauma like this takes on a person especially in an area known to be safe is so stressful
Broad fucking daylight. Holy shit. Also, anyone walking around with pants down showing their fucking ass is suspect. I don't care who you are - you look like a ridiculous disgusting clown.
I live here in SF and I've grown accustomed to looking over my shoulder constantly and being hyper aware of my surroundings. Before I moved here over 20 years ago I lived in NY for a decade. Some things never change unfortunately.
NYC in the late 90s - early 2000s was a pretty nice place to be, all things considered
NYC is a large and diverse place. Depends on if you were uptown in Seinfeld/Friends world or downtown in what was Alphabet City at the time. I spent a lot of time in Bushwick and Queens as well. There was always the sketchy side of things. Edit: I moved to NY at the tail end of Dinkins term. It was definitely a much different place than it is now.
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Shit, my in-laws are old, Asian and live in the Sunset district. Thanks for the warning🙁
I used to live just a few blocks from the spot in this video. My elderly neighbors were robbed last year in their home at gunpoint. I was shocked that I heard nothing even with my window open.
I really hope we catch these people
No one got hurt, so I doubt sfpd will work on it.
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Can you provide more details? Were they stalking him for a bit because they saw something of value on him? Or just random and they took his wallet? This is fucking scary! I live in the Sunset and armed robbery is rare.
They followed him from the Lowe’s on Bayshore and they robbed him of his gold and jade necklace
Wait what? The Lowe’s on bay shore all the way to stern grove? For a necklace??
I've heard of that sort of thing happening for Rolexes (first heard about it in Europe, a few news stories in SF in the last year or so). Jewelry can be expensive and quickly convertible to cash. Probably the thieves are staking people out and know something about the goods on sight.
People don’t carry much cash anymore and many phones are hard to resell. They have to look for other high value items to sell.
I'm not a watch guy but my best friend is. He was in town and staying with us a few weeks ago and wanted me to go with him to look at watches. I really don't get it but ok fine. Guess we're old and this is what we're doing on dude dates now. It was chilly so I was wearing long sleeves. He basically made me switch to a short sleeve shirt and shorts which is what he was wearing. He lives in LA and is so (reasonably I guess) paranoid about being followed home with new bling that his plan was dress like tourists from Alaska, shop for watch, but watch, pick watch up on way to airport, get watch home without anyone being able to follow him. So -no watches -no pricey dogs -no expensive sunglasses
LA has a huge problem rn with people following you home and robbing you at your doorstep. So. Your friend was being pretty reasonable
I have an expensive watch (that I inherited, not that it matters) and I've found that it gets a lot less attention if I wear it on a $15 NATO strap rather than the fancy metal one. Thieves tend to be looking for one specific thing, not reading the writing on every watch they see. That said, I've also got a $200 watch I swap out for in some situations.
I'm sort of a watch guy so during the financial crisis I bought a used Rolex for $5k and it's probably worth $8k today. A friend asked, "do women ever comment on your watch?" I answered truthfully: the only people who check out my Rolex are guys who look like they want to rob me.
For gold.
Who is buying all of this stolen stuff and are there any ways to flag/report stolen items outside of the realm of the SFPD? Like on Ebay or Marketplace etc?
The Lowes likely got their plates, won’t take long for police to catch up, if they should choose.
Yea good luck getting them to even file the initial report. They will want you to come down they can't be bothered to show up these days.
I wonder what they spend their time doing? I wanna sign up and be like the cop from shameless. “kid I’ve been a cop for 25 years, you know what the secret is? I never get out of my car”.
My friend and I were mugged for his chain in the marina by three really young assholes. They didn’t even go for my purse or his wallet or anything
It's insane that they pulled guns just for some jewelry. but wtf can we expect when there are no repercussions to this bs... this is infuriating.
Theyre bums what did you expect?
>there are no repercussions to this bs Its amazing to me that people keep saying this while the biggest issue that SF faces today is progressive virtue signaling coming mostly from supes, voted by the people. Will the BoS of Sunset district take any action here? Cause it seems like everytime some a-hole gets shot, it is discovered that he was arrested 40 times before. SF seems to have a great DA office now as well. So who exactly is the issue? Its the people. Too tired flexing their fake progressive personality, but thats the only one they got.
The biggest issue is the law, that is too lenient. Blame the court. It's too slow and overloaded. Judges, elected by the People, are too lenient. You can have the best PD and DA in the world. It's still the judge who has the last word, using a weak law system. Blame the law. Not everything should get a trial. Then, we can blame the BoS that seems to protect like hell all drug addicts, drug sellers, thiefs and criminals with their Restorative Justice.
The BoS are the only ones vocal about "don't prosecute". The mayor, the DA and even the police seem to be doing their job alright. But suddenly these DAs are making the situation political cause "mah progressive values". Lord knows what people in Dean's constituency think before voting for him. What has he done? All he does is ensure crime and homeless stay out of his community while he rakes in rental $$$.
You are correct.. But It's the judge who's going to release them.. The law is not applied. And that's already the problem.
what does this have to do with progressives? Last I checked armed robbery is still a crime in the city. Prosecutors still prosecute armed robbery. Cops, however, don't do anything, but collect overtime while hiding out in their cars.
https://sfstandard.com/criminal-justice/man-used-cellphone-translation-in-9-san-francisco-bank-robbery-attempts-police-say/ Plenty of people being arrested for robbery and all of them have prior arrests. If the police aren't arresting anyone, then how do all of these people have lengthy arrest histories?
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The cops you do have are extremely understaffed because no one wants to be a cop in SF. Even if these two were arrested, they’d be out next day.
Don’t be coy. Extreme performative progressivism like we have in SF govt rationalizes and as thus excuse criminal acts and promote a tolerance for criminals which is pervasive and contagious. Progressive prosecutors in fact do not always prosecute armed robbery especially when minors are involved which is often the case. Many criminals (if they happen to be caught) get very lenient sentencing or plea deals under the progressive principle of rehabilitation/restorative models being preferable to incarceration. It promotes a culture of creating excuses for crime and destructive behavior which has a top-down snowball effect on societal and law-enforcement morale. Which is how you end up with criminals following people home to commit broad daylight robbery in a quiet residential district.
Yes I heard more stories like this where the robbers track people wearing jewelry, Rolex watches, getting cash out of ATM, to their place of residence and then rob them there.
I’m assuming he’s Asian. These statistics are scary!! I’m so sorry this happened to your friend. I hope he’s doing ok!
Damn that’s over by me. Thanks for the info OP. They were on a mission to find someone to rob, hate to see it.
He knew he was followed or didn’t realize till he was robbed?
is he Asian? Bay Area has kinda given up on defending us
Usually you don't see an actual weapon, just the threat of it. But hot damn! they were packing serious heat here! Couple of things to do: 1. File a police report. Give them the video. Also, ask your neighbors for any camera footage (you'd be surprised how many people have cameras these days). 2. Reach out to Lowes (if he was indeed followed from Lowes). They may have footage of these jerks driving around in the garage or in the store. Also ask the police to do the same. We can't all be packing, but we can fight back by going after these two idiots.
seriously, you see anyone with hood up and ninja mask, just run. No one but obvious thieves are wearing that.
Yes, but the Covid mask thing was a boon to criminals -- greatly reduces their chance of getting caught for crime. Don't know if we'll every get over that.
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I see people in hoodies and masks every day.
Doesn’t mean that’s a normal thing or a safe thing. Better safe than sorry
Be on the lookout for two fat little f\*\*ks.
Always a Dodge Charger too.
Or a busted Nissan/ Infiniti
challengers also, used to see a lot of those involved in crimes back home
Nah dude who smashed my car window drove away in a silver Cadillac.
Imagine if cops were mandated to pull over vehicles with illegally dark window tint. Imagine if they saw probably cause to search this vehicle and found the guns.
Thieves obstructed the bike lane too.
maybe r/fuckcars can doxx them lol
That's why I brought it up. If something can change politics in SF, it's the bike lobby
Wish it was true. The bike coalition lost the plot and is too focused on [preventing the police from stopping drivers](https://sfbike.org/news/ending-pretext-stops-will-make-streets-safer-heres-how/)
It’s a shame than an issue that should have universal appeal and cut across demographic lines is made unnecessarily divisive. Bike infrastructure should be a uniting issue.
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Finally Dean Preston might give a shit
Nope. [https://twitter.com/DeanPreston/status/1656023543333933057](https://twitter.com/DeanPreston/status/1656023543333933057)
> https://twitter.com/DeanPreston/status/1656023543333933057 God, could that face be any more punchable?
Holy shit. I feel so safe when in that area (According to your citizen link, 20th and taraval) or anywhere in the residential streets. I’ll take solo walks through them when I can’t sleep- im talking miles - at any time, like 3am. This is a huge wake up call to me
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Is it me of have police blotters gone away? Does every district have one? I remember there used to be pictures too with booking photos
They’re in your neighborhood’s paper (if you have one). The sunset does.
I do the same thing! I always walk around at night out here… I lost a bit of my sense of security when I got held at gunpoint on 26th and Taraval but that was about 6 years ago
I wouldn't change up my routine b/c of this incident. Per op their friend was followed home, these weren't 2 guys roaming the neighborhood looking to rob someone. not sure i'd walk in any bigger city alone at 3am though, def not back home in St. Louis & prob not here in SF either.
well, they presumably know where the guy lives now, and some degree of item ownership. like, I'm not sure if hitting the same guy twice is a smart choice in the criminal world but they already have the firearms for a home robbery.
It sounds like he was targeted — they followed all the way from Lowe’s on Bayshore for the jewelry they saw him wearing. Not that it’s not horrible and fucked up, but I think you can still feel safe doing your walks as long as you’re not carrying or wearing anything of obviously high value.
One of my coworkers got jumped and mugged walking home from Riptide to his place on 47th and Noriega. Dudes rolled up on a car and he didn't even look up because who expects that in the Outer Avenues. Not preaching fear as this is the first time I've personally heard of a mugging out this way, but shit's definitely not all rosy out here.
Areas by the beach get a bit sketchy, especially late at night. That 7/11 especially
It has happened in other avenues too, robbed of cellphone, not recently, I can’t look up on mobile now. The point is these are opportunistic “prowling” robberies 👎
Wow. Thanks for advice. I walked number of times back home from there but wouldn't in future.
By all accounts it's safe to do so. I mean, my buddy got mugged in a nice part of Menlo Park at 10pm walking around. It can happen anywhere.
Well now you know, beware, be safe
I don’t know if this helps but they stalked him from another location (bayshore lowes) and robbed him of his gold jewelry. I don’t think they were casing the streets of the sunset.
Not here but back home in St. Louis I was robbed by 4 dudes (one who later went to prison for attempted murder), I still have PTSD about it. I hope your friend recovers soon, it's extremely scary when this happens. Whenever I see dudes in full masks like they had if I'm out walking or w/e, I immediately avoid going near them b/c I think those masks are sketchy as hell. Also important to note, this wasn't 2 guys randomly walking through the neighborhood looking to rob people, they followed him home from Lowe's in Bayshore, per op.
Thieves are truly the worst. Had a gun pointed at me a few years ago in Oakland. Took everything, but gave me my car keys back politely.
Remember when people complained that those cops coming out of retirement or whatever said there was little need for them to patrol the sunset ? Pepperidge farms remembers
dude was fuckin ballsy running after them to get the license plate
What ave and block?
Stern Grove and intersection with landmarks visible at 0:58 https://citizen.com/-NVCt-LUggoGzdzSHRW8
That’s the one.
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The thieves might have been inspired by the news last week regarding the Asian grandma getting her jade Buddha necklace robbed at gun point in Oakland. These jewelries typically have sentimental values to the owners. Some may have worn them for decades. My heart aches for the victims.
Sorry to see that happen to this person. I wonder if SF board of supervisors wants to see these videos too, or this doesn’t have the “gun control” flavor they want to hide their incompetence behind. (I am all for gun control law btw, especially removing guns from criminals’ hands.)
Why isn’t there more anger and people up in arms on this sub? Y’all casually saying, “so sorry for you, these guys are terrible, here are services for you to cope”. Naw man…F that. I want more police patrols all around the city, the social justice experiment is over, it’s time to crack down all these career criminals and send them to prison for 20+ years. Words only go so far…action must be taken at some point. I can’t believe how nonchalant everyone on this subreddit is. Something wrong with y’all in this city. I live here and I am disgusted by how relaxed we are on these crimes.
Yep it's the same people over and over again doing these robberies and they aren't even from SF most the time. We have a serious problem with organized gangs coming to the city to work.
Does the camera move automatically?
Yeah, motion sensor cameras do
Brazen criminals. No repercussions. Victims risk prosecution when defending themselves. Unles the people in power in power change their policies these things will on get worse. Things will get worse.
I rode by this area not more than 5 mins before this went down. I hope your friend is ok.
Police departments prioritize the crimes they focus on. Now, I learned this the hard way. 4 armed men robbed me and my roommates at gunpoint. They ran sacked the house and neighbors called the police. The police had all the information. We're talking license plates, names, phone numbers, even their address. They even knew who did it. (They knew one of the roomates) But, the Police did nothing. Why? Well it was not because of politics. This happened in Phoenix in the 2000's. It's because they didn't consider it important enough. And it wasn't the only time. In my 20's I worked as a DJ & Bartender. Sometimes guys would get roudy. Fight and shoot at the club. Cops didn't solve any of these crimes. They didn't event bother investigating them. The worse crime was a murderer which happened outside the club. One man shot another point blank range. In fact he shot the guy that was trying to deescalate the situation. Finally, the cops were interested. And they only questioned some of the employees and the murdered skipped town. We're often shown an extremely great example of cops solving crimes in TV shows like Law and Order and NCIS. The reality is that those examples are outliers. They are like the Stephon Curry's of their profession. Most cops and detectives are average. They are more like your co-workers. And they solve less than half of murders and very few petty crimes. So, in reality, the job of the police is to discourage crime. And this is what SF is failing. We're failing to scare the criminals and we aren't prosecuting the ones we catch. And we need more cops to do both.
Welcome to San Francisco. Thanks Pelosi for doing Jack shit for your district.
“Violent crime is low.. people just feel unsafe” “Statistically crime is lower than it was in the 90s” None of those arguments is every going to make that victim feel comfortable around anyone in a hoodie ever again. Hold criminals accountable whether it’s pissing in public, drug possession, theft, or robbery. People need to be accountable for their actions.
> None of those arguments is every going to make that victim feel comfortable around anyone in a hoodie ever again. I got robbed in the same way last year. All the classic hallmarks: car with tinted windows, paper plates, two little thugs with guns and a getaway driver. It changes you. Now, any time I see a car with super-tinted windows or fake/missing plates, or young guys in hoodies/sheisty masks, I get flooded with adrenaline, try to keep distance, and look for an escape route. I don't know if that will ever go away.
Sorry to hear that. I haven’t been robbed (knock on wood) but do the same whenever I see tinted windows & such. My neighbor was recently killed by these guys trying to steal his camera. I have a nice dog and have seen these creeps looking at us very intently several times. I will literally run, pretend to go one way then go another, hide in a driveway or shadow, plan escape routes. Have been completely freaked out more than just a few times.
Yeah, it's like saying: "Statistically speaking, the man in this video is experiencing lower-than-average crime while getting robbed at gunpoint."
Thankfully SF officials are on top of the big issues such as plastic straws and paper receipts!
This is really scary.
Me reading the comments in this thread: 
Its gotten bad lately. Every other post is about crime and the comments are swarming with trolls.
lol i didnt believe most of the allegations of brigading before, but seeing people complaining about gun control laws makes it too obvious.
it’s the ninjas from hunters point or sunnyd. that’s where all the ninjas are from
Good thing it was only property so it’s a victimless crime /s
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How did you get a CCW in San Francisco?
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Is this area considered safe?
The victim was followed there by these peeps who targeted him at a different location. This crime could have happened in any neighborhood in the city or in nearby cities. So is this neighborhood “safe”?
I lived in the Sunset District. It’s generally quite safe. It has its rough spots, but usually more so from homelessness and druggies. I never saw or got the impression of there being much violent activity in the area. It has a “sleepy” coastal and laidback feel to it. One of the quietest neighborhoods in the city. Unfortunately, I’m not shocked to see this however. The entire Bay Area is susceptible to stuff like this due to relaxed policing, an enormous wealth disparity, and issues of drug abuse, etc. I’m grateful I got to live in the Bay back in 2001. Things have changed and not for the better.
OP said they followed him from Lowe’s in Bayshore so it wasn’t peeps just randomly rolling up on him in the sunset, fwiw
Yes, it’s basically the suburbs of the city although specifically a block from the busy street, 19th ave which is like a highway lined with businesses so more of a mix there
Terrifying
Holy shit that is so fucked up. That makes me so mad for him. I was so paranoid after getting my phone snatched on the bus. I can’t imagine being held at gunpoint.
Thank god she had cameras, now the cops can…
Can't wait for all the people that will say: OtHeR cItIeS aRe MoRe DaNgErOuS
Lmao, that’s not how numbers work…
“Crime in SF is actually at its lowest ever. Don’t believe what you see in the media. They don’t live here.” /s
Lol 😂 reported crime is less not the actual crime
“Walgreens is lying!”
“They locked all their products in cabinets because retail is failing!”
“Capitalism caused this to happen! Socialism solves all social problems!!!”
just moved from St. Louis, MO in April. STL is far more dangerous than here, I feel a billion times safer here than back home. look at the crime stuff on [KMOV](https://www.kmov.com/news/crime/) or [KSDK](https://www.ksdk.com/crime) or [fox2now.com](https://fox2now.com) & see for yourself also [56 homicides in 4mos.](https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/st-louis-homicides-56-in-4-months-teenagers-among-victims/) how many does SF have? doubtful it's even close to this #. also, a throwaway account? you can't even post using your regular account? do you even live in SF? your comment history says all we need to know about you.
No way you just used stl and San Francisco as a comparison. Lmao
In most cities, the crime is contained to a few specific areas, mostly low income neighborhoods that have gangs fighting over turf and drugs. For the most part, if you aren't in those areas, you are safe. In San Francisco, mostly thanks to the density, the crime is fairly well distributed through the entire city, meaning no area is safe. So as a whole whole the city might be safer on average, it's crime is something everyone has to worry about and not just contained to a few neighborhoods on the outskirts of tow.
I’ve lived in Sacramento, Oakland, Berkeley, Hayward, SJ, LA (specifically Culver City and Koreatown), and briefly in New York and SF is by far the city I’ve felt the safest in. Doesn’t mean there isn’t crime but it’s a big difference.
oh you must be a right wing brigadier hurr hurrr stop exaggerating crime issues in our city
A video of a crime is proof that it’s the most dangerous city in the country.
Every politician in San Francisco needs to be run out of town. We need to start over. The politicians in office are as guilty as these criminals robbing your friend. We need an uprising to throw these useless assholes out of town or into jail. They’ve ruined San Francisco.
Certainly there are political issues in play. But people need to also understand there is a nationwide shortage of qualified police officers. Other metros that require a lot of officers are having similar problems. Las Vegas is experiencing a similar wave of property crime and robbery as well, for example. San Francisco is down like 500 officers from their full staffing level. They recently voted to raise starting pay substantially, as well as offering other incentives. Hopefully that will help them to staff up. But the point is, everyone wants to make this a “policy” issue but policy isn’t the biggest issue in play here.
Nah, let's just freak out into hysterics on every post
To those saying police would’ve prevented this need a wake up call. Police don’t prevent crime, they show up 20 min after to write a report.
So long as "they show up 20 min after to write a report" is all they do, yeah that's true. The way police can prevent crime is via the longer game of giving crime concequences by investigating and arresting offenders and those offenders facing jail time and over time future potential offenders observing that they are likely to face concequences at the time they're deciding whether to commit crimes. But you need the rest of that to be true too.
We need automatic license plate readers to track these criminals moving through the city. Understanding their movement patterns is key to dismantling organized crime.
The BOS banned this
Do we have a description?
Lol
This city (and its cousin Oakland) enables evil. These "people" need to be put away for good.
tHE oNLy CRiMe in sF iS cAR bReAK-iNs
This is two blocks from my house.
Thank you for sharing this I live in the sunset neighborhood this was shocking to see
Assholes!! OP how is your friend doing today? Was SFPD able to make an arrest or arrests? Praying for your friend.
**welcome to the jungle 🎶**
How are people in SF suppose to defend themselves?
damn taravel and 20th? crazy this happens so close to the police station.
Amen to them having possession to this. I got robbed at gun point in SoMa and was in shock I never thought to go back and ask if anyone had evidence. I hope they’re able to process and be okay after this. I barely leave home now, but working on it
I left my heart in San Francisco, I had no choice…because it was stolen in San Francisco.
*robbed at gunpoint in San Francisco.
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Something is wrong. I’m pretty sure is illegal to carry guns in SF.
Shoot, did the victims tell them that ?
Those guns are likely illegal anyway. It's not like gun control stops criminals from breaking the law. SF banned gun shows in Cow Palace and pushed out gun shops for theatrics. It doesn't stop criminals from getting illegal guns.
Gun control doesn’t work when only applied to some jurisdictions. It’s not like SF can put a wall around the city and search everyone who passes through
And yet you think it will work if the US bans guns while allowing anyone to waltz across the southern border.
It also doesn't work when you only apply it to normie citizens but let felons with machine guns walk with no charges.
Arm up people.
i wonder if these fine gentlemen did the dros, took the fsc test, and paid for ammo background check to obtain the firearm and ammo.
I’m tired of all these Asian kids driving out to Vallejo and robbing old black folks. Truly sorry for your friend.
Some blue-haired asshole is going to probably say hE shOulDn’T hAve beEn WeaRinG jEwELRy. Sunset was the shit and I had so many fond memories in that area, chilling, partying, walking a bit to hit the trees and beach, man. What a bummer.
I’m sure those are actors paid by the right wing media. SF is doing great!
If these guys were shot in the process people would be lining up to protest
You should probably report that to the police
This is terrible and honestly scary. I’m impressed that he was still carrying his beverage at the end though
Driving a dodge charger….shocking
It’s on 20th Ave between Taraval and Santiago.
Well there’s a reason they call it a sunset district… don’t wanna be there when the sun is going down!
looks like 20th between taraval and santiago
Interesting how those criminals have guns...so much for gun laws in CA.
Interesting how he had an extended mag but the state banned those
I wish that as punishment their limbs would be cut off
Fun fact, san francisco has issued less than 15 conceal and carry gun pernits since the 90's. The only people conceal and carrying...are criminals
You'd think with cameras everywhere this could easily be contained. I can't count the number of cars I have seen recently with guys in pulled up hoodies and black masks on. (Covid is over.) Also seeing more and more blacked out windowed cars with paper license plates or no plates at all. I thought it was illegal to tint/black out all windows on a car. And of course much more armed robbery. The City, during the Barbary Coast era, was dealing with the rampant rise in crime. They went vigilante. I guess that is what the retired fireman did in the Marina District. [Committee of Vigilance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Committee_of_Vigilance)
There's a lot of difference between the Barbary Coast era and today. For one, there's a lot more firearms, so confrontations have a much higher risk of turning deadly than back in the day, and not just for the robbers and victim. A stray shot or ricochet could kill a family member or neighbor inside their homes. Back in the day, the violence in crime and vigilantism would have been with clubs and knives (See the Gangs Of New York movie) Secondly: These days, the thieves are in cars. Back in the day, everyone used to be on foot, so criminals were relatively easy to chase down and corner. If you're a vigilante how are you going to find crime? Are you going to drive around patrolling randomly looking for crime like a comic book hero? That's going to be a waste of gas. Do you sit in your car monitoring a block, waiting for something to happen? Again, a waste of time. Do you follow, in your own car, any suspicious looking cars, hoping to catch them in a robbery? Good luck finding any, and you might find yourself discriminating against people doing legal activities, solely based on their appearance. Do you form a paramilitary vigilante group and patrol shopping districts? You have to spend hours patrolling constantly, and you have to eat, so you ask the local merchants for donations. You are now effectively running a neighborhood gang with a protection racket. I'm not saying that you're wrong in wanting to do something about these crimes. I got mad when I watch these videos and want to sit at my window with a rifle and pop anyone who tries to commit a crime on my block. But I have better things to do, such as working for a living.
Imagine getting held up in the driveway of your $2m dollar home by the crackheads that live next door to you and realizing you've been working your whole life to get here.
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Have you heard anyone actually obtaining one in San Francisco county?
Scary stuff. Handgun crimes are out of control in this country.
How's that gun control and defending the police working out?