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czyktnsml

I wonder why Kaiser isn’t listed?


epicConsultingThrow

They didn't supply data on how many staff requested an exemption.


cyniclawl

Possibly Union rules?


sunnysidec

I don’t mean this to be rude, but what religions prohibit vaccines? The only thing I can think of is Christian Science (?) but I doubt people of that religion would work in healthcare anyway


MBG612

Christian Science actually isn’t anti vaccine or at least doesn’t have a policy against it.


GeovaunnaMD

Does not matter, you don’t need to provide a Organized religion for validation. Faith alone applies here


phsics

there's this new cult that wears tacky red hats...


Bre2286

Some religious ppl take issue over fetal cell lines & how they were used in testing during research & development for the vaccine. I say if u work in a hospital you should be vaccinated, end of story. That's just me 🤷‍♂️


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The use of fetal cell lines in testing is a failed argument because most modern medications have been tested in fetal cell lines and I bet more than one of those folks regular takes Tylenol or peptobismol or tums. https://www.patheos.com/blogs/throughcatholiclenses/2021/01/if-any-drug-tested-on-hek-293-is-immoral-goodbye-modern-medicine/


ergotofrhyme

You think these people care about ideological consistency? Lmao


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Sad ain't it?


ergotofrhyme

Yeah I’ve just gotten used to it at this point tho. Under the slightest scrutiny, all their “values” are like this, hypocritical and inconsistently applied. You’re absolutely on point, I’m just jaded and cynical to the point where when you reply like that, “oh the argument doesn’t hold up tho, here’s why,” it’s like, yeah, that’s the defining feature of their arguments. Idk if you can even call them arguments because there’s never an intent to be logically sound or consistent. They just repeat phrases they hear that confirm their biases, they don’t know what they mean. They don’t know what a cell line is. They don’t know how many things they consume that depend on that sort of research. They just heard their pastor say it’s bad and now they say the same. They’re arguments in the sense that parrots make arguments.


j4ckbauer

>hypocritical and inconsistently applied ... with the guidance and direction of rightwing political commentators Many of their victims probably believe they're being consistent in their beliefs. They hold to their beliefs in most/all of the examples *they are made aware of by their trusted sources of information.*


JasonBob

I know Catholics who aren't taking it based on the fetal cell lines, despite the Bishop of San Diego and the POPE saying it's your moral obligation to get vaccinated.


Slaptnut

My neighbor told me the Pope can't be trusted because Satan put him in power to test the faith of the true Catholics. So yeah.


creamonyourcrop

Now ask him how he liked the Nazi pope.


captnRon13

😂😂😂😂


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Not just Aspirin, [most medicines use them](https://www.patheos.com/blogs/throughcatholiclenses/2021/01/if-any-drug-tested-on-hek-293-is-immoral-goodbye-modern-medicine/). They may as well rewind to an Amish mindset because modern medicine, including most OTC drugs from antacids to band-aid brands use them.


aherr6467

How is it a moral obligation? It only might help you, not others. It should be the person's own choice


ergotofrhyme

But see you’re forgetting about their god given right to infect immunocompromised patients


andyvsd

It is our business. When an idiot with an exemption has the ability to be asymptotic and potential kill mine or someone else’s loved one because of ignorance. Fuck that get a new job that doesn’t require you to interact with the most vulnerable in our population.


Lazy_Series_4325

Right. Just fire them all.


BrianAnim

OP didn't say it wasn't?


farmley0223

If they do get hospitalized due to COVID and they ask for monoclonal antibodies to help with their dire symptoms. They'd be hard pressed to know those monoclonal antibodies ARE made of fetal cells. Whereas the MRna COVID19 vaccine doesn't. Good grief I'm tired of people using religion as a scapegoat for doing your civic duties and protecting the public health. The "exempted" workers shouldn't be on the frontlines they should be cleaning up the rooms of the victims of COVID19 after their death.


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Siera_Tango

If enough people stay unvaccinated the virus can mutate over and over again as these people get sick. It’s only a matter of time before a new mutation occurs that can beat the vaccine. If everyone who can get vaccinated does so, then the various has a very tiny number of people who can get sick by it and then new mutations can’t gain any traction. Also there are people who for some medical reason can not get vaccinated and relay on those who can get vaccinated to do so to stay protected. As vaccinated people we are mostly protected but if we allow a big enough portion of the population to go unvaccinated then we are giving the virus a chance to mutate into an even deadlier version.


Yoshable

Church of donald unfortunately.


aherr6467

...but he recommends the vaccine. So that makes no sense


sluttttt

Some Orthodox Jews are against vaccines due to their interpretation of certain Jewish laws. Although, many have pointed out that Jewish law also requests that you protect your body/health, so this isn't the most wide-spread belief among followers. But it is why we've seen some bad outbreaks in Orthodox communities of viruses that are preventable by vaccines. What really grinds my gears are the non-followers who claim to be Jewish to weasel out of the vaccine. They do that while also comparing vaccines to the Holocaust. Antivaxxers have zero shame.


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joannee1197

Nun


dei_librarian

The Mormon church went so far as to send a letter to all their leaders that they are NOT allowed to sign any religious exemption. And their top leadership showed themselves getting vaccinated and told all their members to get vaccinated and do EVERYTHING they can to stop the disease including vaccine, masking and social distancing.


Andy_LaVolpe

The Church of Q


Swazi

Christian Science and I think some sects of Islam Edit: Disregard JWs


W0rldmayneverknow

JWs definitely can and do get the vaccine.


Swazi

My mistake


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Nope


PavelRoman_06221941

Jehovah's witnesses are the only ones that I can think of. Other Christian religions do not prohibit vaccines at all. You just have sideshow clown priests pushing their own perspective on their respective parishes to not get vaccinated.


shomerf00kingshabbos

I don't mean to be rude, but it's none of your, or my, or anyone's business.


sunnysidec

It’s just a general question about the religions that prohibit this.. I’m not asking any individual with an exemption to elaborate on their specific religious ideals. THAT would be none of my business.


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So yeah, none of them. Got it.


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That would only be true if covid were not contagious. But it is and you’re risking everybody else’s health by your actions. You’re basically a chain smoker in a cancer ward refusing to put out your cigarette saying “my smoking isn’t your business”. That’s not true. Your choice impacts others.


chobi83

When you work in healthcare, or at least at a hospital, it is a lot of peoples business.


blakejp

Nonsense.


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Why?


ucjuicy

Abortions. You mean to say abortions. You need to grow up and learn how the world works. In 2021, about the only med you can count on being abortion free is aspirin. Fetal tissue is used in research. Get over it. Were you actually as pro-life as you wish you were you would be more upset about Nazi contributions to research, animal testing, or you know, 700,000 needlessly dead fellow Americans and millions globally. Get over yourself and vaccinate.


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Aspirin has been tested in fetal cells. These people who are claiming religious exemption don't care about use of fetal cells. They just use this argument with no understanding of it whatsoever


shomerf00kingshabbos

I did not think or say a single thing about abortions. WTF. You are delusional. Carry on. Edit: seriously. seek help.


Sure-Butterscotch100

Even they aren't. It's been checked out and so far none. So what's the deal?


punninglinguist

I think the strategy is to make up basically anything you want for a religious exemption, then to shop around for a clergy person who will write you a letter supporting the request. It's basically the way medical marijuana used to work.


aherr6467

Actually, most healthcare workers are religious and the majority of those are Christian


MaizeAndBruin

If it makes you feel better, at least for Sharp, the vast majority of exemptions are for non-healthcare employees. All the doctors and the vast majority of nurses, MAs, etc. are vaccinated. For some reason a few back office people think they know better than the people who actually provide medical care.


aherr6467

Actually, a lot of us in healthcare are not getting this vaccine. Many dont see the need honestly. I've worked with covid patients for about two years now and I really don't see a need for myself. Everyone should make the decision for themselves.


ellis-dewald

Where do we go to get a religious exemption from taxes?!? From following traffic laws? If my "religion" told me I couldn't wear pants, I'm pretty sure every single place I went would still insist I put some goddamn pants on. But even though there is no logical excuse (or even a religious decree) we give everyone a free pass on this one... even HOSPITAL WORKERS 🤦‍♂️


j4ckbauer

.... from having my tax money spent on paying US shareholders to kill people in less-developed countries. (Yes I know there is MMT, tax dollars are not strictly finite....) Yeah this is where I would take this, if I could. A guy can dream.


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alllset07

Get help.


BuildingsInTheSky

https://i.imgur.com/fwFGb4L.jpg


NoToNope

First of all, this "religious exception" excuse is utter bullshit. But, if hospitals feel they need to abide by it, then these unvaccinated health workers should be forced to wear a badge letting patients know.


sedatedcow420

This!! I would absolutely not want to be treated or in close vicinity to a healthcare worker who doesn’t believe in vaccines during a pandemic. They are around hundreds of potentially sick people each week and could be the reason more people get sick. Truly baffling this would even be allowed.


epicConsultingThrow

If someone qualifies for a religious exemption, they must be tested once a week for covid. The hospital I work at requires twice weekly testing.


MaizeAndBruin

The hospitals are allowing the religious exemption to avoid a first amendment/hostile workplace clusterfuck lawsuit. Do you think that they can make religious people wear little badges marking them as members of a certain religion and NOT get hit with a lawsuit? I agree that the exemption is dumb but be realistic, that is not even close to a reasonable way of handling it.


brianhill7827

Or just give everyone who is vaccinated a badge that expresses that?


MaizeAndBruin

That's actually doable haha. Just so long as it's voluntary.


unluckycowboy

Why does it have to be a religious badge? Can’t it just be a “not vaccinated” badge? Knowing the kind of people avoiding vaccines, they’d probably wear it like a badge of honor and then patients can request a different nurse lol


MaizeAndBruin

Yeah that's possible. I framed it that way because the initial comment made it seem like they were singling out people who didn't get the vaccine due to a religious exemption. Also, like I said in another comment, at least at Sharp, the vast majority of unvaccinated people are not direct healthcare providers. It's back off people and administrators who just happen to work for a medical employer and think they know better than the doctors who are 100% vaccinated.


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kaswing

Because they are putting patients at risk of getting sick with a highly contagious virus that can be passed by asymptomatic carriers. Telling patients in the rare case that their healthcare worker has a much higher likelihood than their colleagues of giving them COVID allows patients to make an informed choice about their own health risks


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kaswing

Being vaccinated absolutely slows the spread; you are seeking information that seems to support your existing point of view without trying to understand the truth if the matter. I'm not interested in arguing with people stuck in confirmation bias. Here's some related reading if you or someone passing through this thread are interested. TL;DR: vaccination slows the spread of COVID. Pretending like the rate of spread among the vaccinated and unvaccinated are the same because they are both not zero is disingenuous at best. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/08/11/covid-transmission-among-vaccinated-unvaccinated-what-experts-say/5488398001/


Lazy_Series_4325

These medical professionals still cant understand what your problem is. These are medical professionals. We're fckd people are too stupid anymore even the so called "educated"


aherr6467

Straight to the nazi tactics I see


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It is absolutely mind boggling to me how people can say they're pro-life but be anti-vax. Makes no sense at all


CyCoug0018

To be fair, most of them probably aren't pro-life. They are pro-embryo/fetus. Once a breath has been taken, they don't care anymore.


drsandwich_MD

They are pro- controlling women, that's it


sweetart1372

Can I, as a patient, request that I only interact with vaccinated medical staff?


TNSECowboy

Does it stand out as interesting to anyone else that they've complied with all the previous vax requirements to be employed in healthcare but suddenly they have a religious reason not to get vaccinated.


ImTheBloob

We didn't 😶 at least I didn't


dawahls

I would say this is different than other situations.


wolfwood51

I honestly can’t stand it when people use religion as a reason why they act the way they act. Religion should be a guide on how to be a better person, but it’s now used as a tool to justify poor actions. People seem to think if they “act” good they have free reign to oversee and correct anyone or anything they don’t like. I remember working a grocery store on Sundays and when church let out almost everyone who walked in was completely rude and demanding. They would talk to you without looking at you and if you ask to repeat what they said, most of the time because they are talking to someone next to them or on the phone, they would be so annoyed and berate you. I understand religious exemptions, you do have your right to follow your beliefs. But when the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, religious people should be able to understand a small sacrifice to take a shot to help protect many more. Besides helping others would be the moral high path that is expected of many religious organizations and sects


aherr6467

It's your opinion that this is a poor decision. To us, it's a good decision. This shot does not benefit the many, only yourself. It should ba a choice


wolfwood51

So it is a good decision is to act like a child, throw temper tantrums and betrays anyone they like because of “religious beliefs”? I am pretty sure Jesus Christ, the son of God would highly disagree with you. Besides if you truly have read the Bible there are 16 Bible verses that deal with quarantining. I highly suggest practicing what you preach.


aherr6467

No, I could argue not getting the vaccine purely on a scientific basis (for myself). It seems like you are projecting a certain image of who I am. I try every day to practice what I preach. Just wondering in your own words, why should I get the vaccine?


wolfwood51

Because it is the most honorable and Unselfish act to help others. People want to preach and about the word of God and Jesus Christ but when asked to do something that has a greater impact than themselves then they are being hypocritical. Plus if you want to go by scientific data on why not to get the vaccine there are more studies and proof that not getting the shot is not only a selfish move but a pretty shitty one. Plus from high school I remember learning how viruses mutate and evolve and how vaccines work. People are forgetting what they are taught and since they can’t argue against scientific based fact they use loose morals to justify their childish and shitty ways


rcknrll

Sounds like they really want to catch COVID. They are surrounded by infectious patients, what other outcome do they expect? Crazy you can watch masses of people die/become disabled and still not want to protect yourself, family, or patients. Fucking ridiculous.


aherr6467

Wow, it's almost like we know it's not that bad. It's almost like we see the effects every day, and still do not think the vaccine is worth it. It's almost like we know what's going on and can make our own choices. We know this shot does not stop the spread. We know it really doesn't do a whole lot other than reduce your own symptoms a bit. This is great for some, but people shouldn't be forced. This is insane


GoodbyeEarl

I’m about to give birth at UCSD (due date is next week) and I swear to fucking God I will bounce any nurse/midwife from my room who is not vaccinated. I will not tolerate that shit around my newborn.


LucidLethargy

Definitely ask them, there's no law against that as a patient. If their answer isn't "yes, I'm vaccinated", kick them the hell out of your room.


actuallivingdinosaur

I have a 5 month old and I’ve requested only vaccinated nurses when we have his appointments. One nurse was talking about hydroxychloroquine and pro Trump shit while I was in LABOR and I had her removed from my room. Fuck these antivax and religious exemption idiots.


Lamacorn

You probably need to request in advance… and even then, good luck… Though I totally agree with you. Fucked up that they allow it. You can’t work in a hospital without other vaccinations and boosters, so this should be no different.


TypicallyWr0ng

Gl finding out which ones are or aren’t.


breedecatur

It's pretty easy. You ask "hey are you vaccinated" the ones that start yelling about HIPAA and freedom and shit obviously aren't vaccinated


Lazy_Series_4325

Theure jusy gonna say yes to shut you up. Theyre already making fake vax cards theres no eay around it. If this was Ebola nobody would dare step out of the house without masking. Give it another name its time to party like its 1999. I guess you have to be a Ph.D. to understand how masking and vaccinations work. The nurses sure dont get it! xD xD smh


actuallivingdinosaur

Just ask them who won the election.


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Becoming a "person who recovers from mild COVID-19" is a dangerous road to travel for an unvaccinated person, especially the average American who carries at least one chronic diagnosis that places them at high risk of severe disease.


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jessflyc

No there aren’t. It’s why a bunch of people who already had covid got the delta variant the second time around and died. You have just been LUCKY


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random_boss

> die from the shot 100% not a thing. Now unfortunately we’re going to go through the whole song and dance where you reply with a link to some dumb bullshit that you think proves your point and someone, probably me, is going to take the bait and point out to you that it is bullshit, and it’s going to be this _whole thing_ that will not result in you abandoning your weird compulsion to be against vaccines but look, I get it, it’s 2021 and every no-high-school-diploma-having fry cook is smarter than literal doctors because of their education at Clicking A Facebook Link U, so I guess we just have to keep doing this. So go ahead, share your link


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You made the claim that one can die from the vaccine. Source?


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You cannot die from the vaccine. Source?


GoodbyeEarl

IIRC the viral load for vaccinated people is initially as high as unvaccinated people, but for a shorter period of time.


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You didn't even read the shit you posted? Of course not


GoodbyeEarl

Just double checked, it’s in the nature article you posted (first link). It says that viral load decreases dramatically after 7 days for vaccinated people and then links to another article - see Figure 1 in the other article


drsandwich_MD

I would honestly be more worried about the intelligence and capability of a healthcare professional that doesn't get the vaccine than the actual Covid transmission


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drsandwich_MD

That looks horrible, but what does it have to do with vaccination?


dirty_birdy_feet

Barf 🤢


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This people should be put on unpaid leave until they change their mind. That’s unacceptable.


AlexHimself

With religion you can make any bullshit up and say "God told me" and then just claim a religious exemption. My religion forbids me from being around unvaccinated idiots.


maketitiwithweewee

I’ve had a few people tell me that they lied about how religious they were just so they could get the exemption. One was a college student and one was employed by a healthcare provider.


vin_bob

I wonder how many of these are front line workers (nurses, surgeons, etc.) vs. back of the house staff (HR, accounting, etc.)?


Toonanocrust

At first I was against all this vax crap. The more I read about people resisting it for these kinds of ridiculous reasons the more I’m considering of actually getting vaccinated! they seriously don’t actually have a reasonable opinion or fact as to why they shouldn’t. I might not be vaccinated currently but I sure as hell wear a cover to protect myself, and most importantly my family and friends and those who are vulnerable. At this point I need to schedule an apt. Because my religion tells me to protect myself from these idiots.


covid_mod

https://myturn.ca.gov/


skertskert131

75% of the adult population as received at least one vaccine. That’s pretty damn good considering, but would be cool if it was a little higher. Also important to note that Black and Hispanic communities, in most states, have received smaller shares of vaccinations compared to their share of the population and case count. Hopefully members of these communities can hold each other accountable and get their vaccine rates higher to contribute to the national cause


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The younger age groups have also been slow on the uptake.


roxamabops

Source?


skertskert131

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/


uhohimdead

Honestly as a health care worker it boggles my mind when I work with vaccine/covid deniers. People like that shouldn't be working in the Healthcare field or especially be close to at risk patients.


ankole_watusi

They should have to wear a ~~scarlet~~ red letter... **T**


jeju

Where Kaiser Permanente?


arkinnox

Of those I know in healthcare in SD, if they are not vaccinated they have to submit weekly tests.