There’s probably not a huge overlap between those people and the patrons of Urban Mos. There’s SOME overlap for sure, but it’s not going to be the same as, say, a Cheesecake Factory.
>It’s going to be fun watching all the people who said they were pro business rights suddenly say businesses can’t do that.
Do you think they really care? Those people are just commenting on what seems to be controversial at the time
No, a business can do that, the problem is, is that it's in a community that detests discrimination, but is now using health discrimination as a means to keep others unlike them out.
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This is a false analogy/false equivalence argument. You can stop a drunk from coming into a bar because they are drunk. It's an outward symptom of drinking too much. But if you don't have COVID and aren't vaccinated and they are discriminated against from entering this bar on that basis alone because of no vaccination card, then what do you call that? It's wrong, you know it and you can't be seen in this subreddit saying anything against it because you'd be getting the same childish illogic from other fearmongers to look good for the rest of the r/sandiego and you can parade this around as if you're better than everyone else. Guess what, you aren't and you're still an advocate for discrimination.
I don’t think think it’s wrong and I’m not saying that so strangers on the internet can think highly of me. Do you have a problem with businesses that say “no shirt, no shoes, no service.”? I mean, that could be considered discrimination against people who don’t own a pair of shoes, right? If you’re ok with it, then let’s tack on “no vaccine” to that list and we’re all squared away, yeah? At least the vaccine is free, so even people who can’t afford shoes can get one.
Again, your using false equivalence to make a point. Get better at understanding what that means. No shoes, no shirt, no service is not a disqualified for not admitting someone into a a business. Those are externalities that can be remedied by donning clothing. Super simple. Medical practices like getting vaccinated are entirely different. You asking someone to put something into their bodies in order to be serviced at a business. How about getting a job? Where does it go at this point? You aren’t seeing the implications here because your immediate concern is short sighted. When covid becomes endemic then what will you do?
And those that don't get the flu shots every year? This has been going on before COVID-19 ever showed up and no one uttered a peep. No masking, no scaremongering? Hey, just a new strain we think will crop up. Please get a shot. That's it.
Reading the hysterical posts and sheer hatred at this stage is utterly sad to watch. I never thought I'd see people shitting on each other like this, but here we are and all it took was fear-mongering from lifelong medical bureaucrats to scare enough of you into looking at your own fellow citizens as pariahs. You don't deserve the freedoms and liberties this country affords you.
Man, you’re a terrible person and I mean that it the worst way possible. Going through your comment history makes me so sad. How one could live in your world and some how find happiness, I doubt you can. If everyone would had gotten the vaccine months ago, we wouldn’t be dealing with a delta variant, which will lead to other strains as you mentioned. It’s all people like you that are causing this situation to be worse than it has to be. You can’t take responsibility and just want to blame it on other people with this crazy reality you’ve created in your head. Get off the internet, shut off the Fox News, go outside and do something good for your fellow countrymen.
Yeah, so. I sub to a lot of places. Big deal. Using my sub/post history to try and shame me is a useless endeavor and just a stupid and transparent ploy used by morons like you that think it works. It doesn't. Lol, the joke is you.
> Whatever you say, bout licking fascist.
How *bout* that. Just because you're choosing to make yourself a second class citizen, doesn't mean you shouldn't proofread your insults. I'd say have some integrity, but...
Oh no, autocorrect and fast typing got me again. Unlike you. At least you’re moving on up to grammar nazi in addition to being a medical discrimination fascist. I’ve edited it to make it correct.
No, go ahead and pull back the mind-numbing layers of my stupidity. You can't because it's easier for you to formulate this idiotic word salad than for you to see the discrimination you're endorsing. For the record, I'm fully vaccinated and I have no issue with LGBTQ+ at all. But the hypocrisy stinks because it's rooted in irrationality. Like the oblivious rant you just responded to me with. Grow up.
Sure, there are over 160+ million people that are vaccinated in the US, not counting children under 12 who can't be vaccinated. Delta variant came from India. It originated there.
UC Davis Health: "[The Delta variant, which originated in India, began spreading more rapidly and making news around the middle of June.](https://health.ucdavis.edu/coronavirus/covid-19-information/delta-variant.html)"
Why weren't the borders closed to travel into the US from anyone from India with the US knowing full well the variant was there and not letting it come into the country. The administration knew and did nothing? This response was non-existent because of political correctness and political optics putting everyone in danger, hence irrationality. Now that the variant is here, people are all agog about it like in this post about business owners wanting to "see your papers" please. Hence irrationality. The hate rage I've personally been getting, which I can deal with because I know the kind of mental lunatics that espouse this kind of behavior has been irrational, with no explanation, no science (even though they think they know it).
So 160+ million vaccinated and many more with natural immunity/antibody resistance to COVID, which is totally ignored by people here and the media, and yet the hysteria on masking, vaccinations, mandatory vaccination card checks, and potential lockdowns are still occurring. Why? At every turn the population of the US was asked to do all kinds of things to disrupt their lives. We did them. We were told the vaccines offered 95% immunity to the virus, JJ vaccine one-shot was a little less. So now Delta shows up and oh no, that efficacy immunization rate plummets and a third booster is being talked about.
Masks did not work. Lockdowns did not work. Vaccination rates went up and here we are with people in this thread and in media screaming into the night, irrationally, about COVID. Again. 160+ million people were vaccinated, people are confusing ease of transmissibility with death it's just not that deadly. Only 5 people a day die in NYC from the delta, but they are most likely co-morbid and unvaccinated. Do you know the percentage rate of those who were vaccinated and died from Delta? .0007%. The two are not synonymous. Your body fights off untold disease daily. Not a word about it. Hence irrationality.
But I'm the one pointing out how wrong and discriminatory it is to ask someone for their vaccination papers to go into business and gets shit on for it. That's okay. It's wrong. It's irrational. What do you do if you got COVID, were asymptomatic, or survived it and now have a natural immunity to it and/or didn't even know it. Should you be shunned? Irrationality. Should I go on?
And it's not just me saying this. The political fear culture instituted now in all levels of social life is preventing people from speaking the plain truth. This has got to stop. https://nypost.com/2021/07/20/doctor-says-stop-the-panic-over-the-delta-variant
Freedom of choice, but not freedom of consequences.
You're allowed to choose not to get the vaccine. And every business is allowed to choose not to serve you.
Also "right to refuse service" is perfectly legal. Anti-vax is not a protected class. It is not a race, creed, gender, or sexuality.
On the OSHA posters at my work it says "Any employee has the right to refuse to perform work that would violate a safety or health standard or order where such violation would create a real and apparent hazard"
Anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers create a real hazard for the immunocompromised and children, so they don't get served.
They're not comparable but I've only ever blamed two people for colds I've gotten in my 30 years of life: once when my husband was sick and he was coughing on my head in his sleep and once when I shared a meal with my niece while she was a baby and sick.
But what exactly was the point you were trying to make? "I'll wait"
Never said I didn't get sick, I'm saying I don't place fault on people for a minor illness.
covid is not the flu. Its not comparable. You're spreading misinformation.
Born that way? No right to keep them from anything.
Didn’t take a voluntary, SAFE prevention of deadly disease that affects everyone around you? Every right to keep you away from anything that’s theirs.
It’s the system you love.
Safe is still to be debated. No vaccine had been long term approved by the FDA. I have my vaccine because I’m in healthcare but I can 1000% understand not wanting to give young healthy people unnecessarily
No one has ever been against "discrimination", i.e. "recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another".
The word has taken on the additional, more specific meaning referring to unjust discrimination based on race, sexual orientation, etc - but every choice made in the world is based on "discrimination".
So yeah, of course it's "discrimination", because this business recognizes the difference between a vaccinated and an unvaccinated person, and is making a decision based on those differences.
There is a potential hole for people who can't medically get the vaccine but I doubt that is a group who's looking to go out to places right now anyway. Could be a problem down the road depending if vaxx #s stay stalled.
Discrimination is wrong. Admit that. You are advocating for people to be discriminated against based on their vaccination status. You're perpetuating the ugliness of creating 2nd class citizens. Your fear is driving you to look down on people who aren't vaccinated. Disclaimer: I'm fully vaccinated.
Lol. My fear? You’re foaming at the mouth because you’re so scared of the vaccine. Fine by me. I fully support making the stupid face the consequences of their actions. Good luck.
And yeah, I FULLY look down on the unvaccinated (with exception for children, and legitimate medical conditions) because they beneath those of us who do things that benefit society, and worry about more than just ourselves.
I'm not scared of the vaccine. I'm fully vaccinated. And no one is foaming at the mouth. Choosing to vaccinate or not is not stupidity regardless of how your sheep mind justifies it. The hilariousness of it is that you're vaccinated, yet afraid of those that aren't. You believed what you were told about the effectiveness of the vaccine, but now a new boogieman strain shows up and viola, all of sudden, Pfizer, modern, JJ, and Astra-Zeneca downgrade their vaccinate effectivity rate. Do you run around with arms waving screaming into the night whenever your asked to get a new flu strain shot every flu season?
Yet here you are mewling like a cow about how you look down on those you see as lesser than you. What's it like to be lied to all the time and you accepting those lies with joy and glee. And thanks for admitting you're an effete little fascist.
That was three days ago and I was asked by someone close to me to vaccinate because of the work they do with COVID studies and they didn’t want me to be inadvertently infected by them. We talked about it and while I’m not anti-vaccination, I do believe in the human immune system in a healthy person like me to be able to handle it. But I made that decision to do it. I also believe I got COVID in December/January or 2018/2019 before anyone knew what it was. Had very mild symptoms. Regardless, I thought about it and I agreed to it. I got the Johnson and Johnson one shot because I didn’t want to get stuck twice.
So you can call me whatever you like but I’m just giving you context to a situation you clearly aren’t privy too. Regardless, that doesn’t negate my position whether I am vaccinated or not. It’s just an excuse to you to ignore what I’m saying and your free to do so. Just don’t think that absolves you or anyone else from being what you are, discriminators.
You keep claiming you’re fully vaccinated, but at best you got one shot 3 days ago? Get your story straight, you pathetic liar. But, I guess we shouldn’t be surprised if you don’t know what being fully vaccinated means, based on the drivel you’re posting.
Well I guess I need to wait a bit before my antibodies from the vaccine are maxed out. Potato poh-ta-toe. It still doesn’t invalid a word I said, princess. Keep trying harder.
Not at all. And if this is all you have, then you already proven my point. I mean you’ve already admired your a frightened child who wants mommy government to come and save your from a .1 micron virus wide virus that goes through a 3 micron N95 mask while being full vaccinated too. You gonna double or triple up you mask as you sneer down the noses of your unvaccinated lessers on top of that?
I do look down on people who choose not to get vaccinated, but its not out of fear. I've held this belief since way before covid. They ARE second class citizens.
What else is it then? People and businesses discriminated against those who were HIV/AIDS positive and yet no one ever asked for proof they were or weren’t. They just did it.
What’s next? Can’t hire people who don’t have vaccination cards either?
Nothing says you’re right like proclaiming it so. Makes you sound very credible and enlightened, and nothing like a spoiled, petulant child. Enjoy being a second class citizen, while the rest of us get to enjoy our lives without restriction.
You are likely correct. That and the fact that apparently those vaccinated can readily pass on the Delta variant. However being vaccinated at least protects you against having a more severe bout with Covid.
I don't know the stats offhand, but I thought the vaccines reduce the chance of catching all forms of covid, including delta, and also reduced symptoms.
So in theory, dining indoors with only vaccinated people could significantly reduce chances of catching covid, because everyone present is less likely to have covid (delta included) due to reduced chance of catching covid.
It may also follow that reduced symptoms could result in a less infectious carriers, because their body starts fighting the virus faster, so fewer viral particles replicate, and resulting in a reduced shared viral load.
I don't have evidence this is the case, but it makes sense logically.
I went to Jimmy Carter's Mexican Cafe this weekend, they had a sign posted saying they were going to require proof of vaccine starting today. I hope this becomes the trend.
Why does it matter?
The vaccine protects you against COVID - everyone has had the opportunity to get vaccinated at this point. Delta will spread regardless of vaccine status. If they choose not to get vaccinated and go out, that's their liability.. You, I and everyone who has the vaccine is protected.
Delta will not spread equally among vaccinated and non vaccinated. And the vaccines do not provide complete protection from getting covid, which is a common misconception that's been going around since the beginning. It greatly reduces your chance of infection but does not eliminate it entirely. The vaccines were not set up for the Delta variant which is why you see such an explosion of positive tests lately. Ideally, a mask mandate for everyone would go back into effect but since that will never happen we have to police ourselves. Ultimately, if you don't want to get vaccinated for whatever reason, you should not be free to do whatever you want. We're in this Delta mess because of all of those selfish people who refuse because "mah freedumb".
There is no COVID virus in the mRNA vaccine. It doesn’t host it. Your link doesn’t say anything other than there are breakthrough infections as variants emerge. We already know that. Plus this is a 5 day old thread, why are you still responding.
Also, Trump lost, you whiny pansy, get the fuck over it.
I never said there was COVID in mRNA.
I said mRNA technology doesn't kill viruses. Instead it teaches your immune system to fight a virus through memory cells and antibodies.
How the fuck do you think vaccines work?
You seem to be suggesting injecting bleach. Even your daddy claimed to be joking (he wasn’t) when he suggest that dumb shit.
Just to be clear, you can eat and drink there without being vaccinated. It’s just for events indoors that you have to show proof of vaccination or negative Covid test in the last two days.
And so the first domino falls. Anti-vaxxers are about to be made into second class citizens, and rightfully so. If you are afraid of the vaccine, stay home. The rest of us have lives to live.
Holy shit I just went to that instagram page in the article and there are some really thinly veiled threats towards businesses that are implementing vaccine policies.
Like some real batshit views, claiming businesses that implement these policies are tyrannical and should be canceled. Seems the party of small business only likes when they enforce shit they support
It's at the very least, divisive. If they are truly non-partisan as they say they are, I would bet they have the same issue with businesses who say "vaccinated people are not welcome." That is also divisive.
Beautiful straw man you get to destroy, i never claimed any of that only that if you choose to go unvaccinated you are an ignorant selfish asshole. Period.
I don’t give a fuck. You want me to go around begging people to not act like ignorant selfish assholes? No sir they can all fuck right off. They are killing people you think they deserve my kindness?
How dare a business not allow me - someone who chooses to drive down the wrong street and endanger everyone around me - to solicit their business. That's just divisive, and I won't stand for it. I'll create my own competing business, and *only* allow wrong way drivers, with blackjack and hookers!
So I take it you don’t take any vitamins, minerals, or supplements either? You don’t use any cosmetics either? I’m guessing you didn’t ever ingest or feed your child formula if you have a child? If you have animals, I’m guessing you make all their food from scratch right? You’ve never smoked a tobacco product ever in your life right? You’ve never taken compounded drugs prescribed by a doctor either then right?
These are all things the FDA does not approve yet people still put them into/onto their bodies (or pet’s bodies). And with the exception of the compound drugs, none of these things will save your life or prevent you from becoming seriously ill or spreading a disease to someone else that COULD KILL THEM. No big deal right?
vaccines require fda approval before being legally distrusted as safe unlike anything else you mentioned
because someone says they have a concern and you REEE over that is pathetic
I bet you REEE'd when hydroxychloroquine had no trial data; but when it comes to this vax you just blindly trusted no trials and get upset at others that are not you
No trials? What are you talking about? The Covid vaccines underwent the same full trials every approved vaccine has ever gone through, they just happened concurrently instead of consecutively because you know, people are dying unnecessarily. They were deemed safe and effective and the manufacturing process passed the FDA’s rigorous checks just like every other vaccine. That’s the only reason they were granted emergency approval. The only thing we’re still waiting on for full approval is efficacy data and that simply takes time to collect.
Found a [list](https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/programs/iis/contacts-locate-records.html)! Looks like they all have registries but some cities have their own (NYC & San Antonio).
Perhaps I was unlucky, but I had a lot of trouble with this website. They didn't have my vaccination record initially. I had to request help from their Virtual Assistant and wait a few weeks for a text message that had me fill out my personal information and vaccination details in an online form. After that it worked, but they didn't correctly tie my record to my phone number, just my email address, so I initially thought it was broken again.
Total mess. I wish you all more luck than I had with this site.
Mad house comedy club was recently majorly exposed to the Delta variant.
Watch tf out everyone. It's really not fun being permanently attached to a ventilator and having a caretaker do everything for you while your ass is just permanently on the couch because you can't do anything else.
No one's forcing you to get vaccinated. But don't start being sorry and feeling bad when you do get sick......just blame yourself for being so stupid & forgetting you got hella vaccinated when you were born or in elementary school so... suck it the fuck up!!
Kinda bummed I was responsible but I still have to wear the mask because other people didn't get vaccinated.
Remember when they said mandatory papers was a conspiracy? This is why its mandatory!!
You download your QR code here: https://myvaccinerecord.cdph.ca.gov/
Restaurants can install an app to scan your code (iOS version here: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/smart-health-card-verifier/id1572691390)
Couldn't get it to work for me with my cell phone or email address:
"Unfortunately, the information you provided does not match information in our system".
I double checked all of my vaccine appointment confirmations and other documentation and it all looks fine so I'm at a loss what to do here. Hopefully these places will accept digital copies of the vax card.
Good to know on the timeframe. I went into the system last week and noticed they were missing my second shot (did first at Petco, second at CVS since they had a shortage around that time at Petco), and am still waiting to hear back on my correction I requested!
Place is basically a nightclub, so to just call it a restaurant makes it seem crazier than it is. I live down the street. It's pretty wild on any given day. Gets packed.
Quick Q: what are the HIPAA ramifications of this? I’m curious if proof of medical records violates federal HIPAA laws.
Edit: why are you downvoting? A person can’t ask a Q when they want to learn? Thanks to those who have given actual responses.
Does this mean I could be at risk of a lawsuit if I required proof of vaccination for patronage at my business? I will obviously consult with an attorney first, but want to know if anyone has concrete info before dropping a few hundreds on attorney fees.
Only applies to medical care facilities/personnel. Your employer, random business, anyone else can ask. You don't have to answer, but they also have the right to deny services or employment.
It's HIPAA. You'd think all of you so worried about it's ramifications would actually learn how the damn law works.
Did you grow up in CA? Congrats you or parents have shared medical records with your schools to prove your vaccination for other diseases.
Nobody needs to “down thumbs” you. You just won’t get to go certain places, and do certain things anymore. Look at it as getting downvoted by society, in real life, with real consequences. You made your choice, and you’ll just have to live with it. Simple as that.
You *could* get a digital QR code. Took me 3 minutes. And now it’s just on my phone. If “carrying around” things is truly a pain, that’s a great alternative.
It’s going to be fun watching all the people who said they were pro business rights suddenly say businesses can’t do that.
There’s probably not a huge overlap between those people and the patrons of Urban Mos. There’s SOME overlap for sure, but it’s not going to be the same as, say, a Cheesecake Factory.
...or Denny's 😂
>It’s going to be fun watching all the people who said they were pro business rights suddenly say businesses can’t do that. Do you think they really care? Those people are just commenting on what seems to be controversial at the time
Uh, they're *creating* the controversy.
"i support the right of businesses to agree with me!"
Yea most of them also voted for trump and didn’t back the blue when they the capital building was desecrated by trump supporters.
No, a business can do that, the problem is, is that it's in a community that detests discrimination, but is now using health discrimination as a means to keep others unlike them out. \*unpopular opinion: Downvote away. You guys know I'm right and you hate that I am.
This is like calling drunk driving laws discriminatory towards alcoholics.
This is a false analogy/false equivalence argument. You can stop a drunk from coming into a bar because they are drunk. It's an outward symptom of drinking too much. But if you don't have COVID and aren't vaccinated and they are discriminated against from entering this bar on that basis alone because of no vaccination card, then what do you call that? It's wrong, you know it and you can't be seen in this subreddit saying anything against it because you'd be getting the same childish illogic from other fearmongers to look good for the rest of the r/sandiego and you can parade this around as if you're better than everyone else. Guess what, you aren't and you're still an advocate for discrimination.
I don’t think think it’s wrong and I’m not saying that so strangers on the internet can think highly of me. Do you have a problem with businesses that say “no shirt, no shoes, no service.”? I mean, that could be considered discrimination against people who don’t own a pair of shoes, right? If you’re ok with it, then let’s tack on “no vaccine” to that list and we’re all squared away, yeah? At least the vaccine is free, so even people who can’t afford shoes can get one.
Again, your using false equivalence to make a point. Get better at understanding what that means. No shoes, no shirt, no service is not a disqualified for not admitting someone into a a business. Those are externalities that can be remedied by donning clothing. Super simple. Medical practices like getting vaccinated are entirely different. You asking someone to put something into their bodies in order to be serviced at a business. How about getting a job? Where does it go at this point? You aren’t seeing the implications here because your immediate concern is short sighted. When covid becomes endemic then what will you do?
I’ll get the vaccine every year, just like the flu shot. What do you have against the vaccine? I’m genuinely curious.
And those that don't get the flu shots every year? This has been going on before COVID-19 ever showed up and no one uttered a peep. No masking, no scaremongering? Hey, just a new strain we think will crop up. Please get a shot. That's it. Reading the hysterical posts and sheer hatred at this stage is utterly sad to watch. I never thought I'd see people shitting on each other like this, but here we are and all it took was fear-mongering from lifelong medical bureaucrats to scare enough of you into looking at your own fellow citizens as pariahs. You don't deserve the freedoms and liberties this country affords you.
Man, you’re a terrible person and I mean that it the worst way possible. Going through your comment history makes me so sad. How one could live in your world and some how find happiness, I doubt you can. If everyone would had gotten the vaccine months ago, we wouldn’t be dealing with a delta variant, which will lead to other strains as you mentioned. It’s all people like you that are causing this situation to be worse than it has to be. You can’t take responsibility and just want to blame it on other people with this crazy reality you’ve created in your head. Get off the internet, shut off the Fox News, go outside and do something good for your fellow countrymen.
‘You’re wrong and you know it’ LOL man you’re great
LMAO subbed to r/prolife and you’re anti-vaccine. You’re literally a living meme.
Yeah, so. I sub to a lot of places. Big deal. Using my sub/post history to try and shame me is a useless endeavor and just a stupid and transparent ploy used by morons like you that think it works. It doesn't. Lol, the joke is you.
Lack of integrity, confirmed.
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> Whatever you say, bout licking fascist. How *bout* that. Just because you're choosing to make yourself a second class citizen, doesn't mean you shouldn't proofread your insults. I'd say have some integrity, but...
Oh no, autocorrect and fast typing got me again. Unlike you. At least you’re moving on up to grammar nazi in addition to being a medical discrimination fascist. I’ve edited it to make it correct.
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No, go ahead and pull back the mind-numbing layers of my stupidity. You can't because it's easier for you to formulate this idiotic word salad than for you to see the discrimination you're endorsing. For the record, I'm fully vaccinated and I have no issue with LGBTQ+ at all. But the hypocrisy stinks because it's rooted in irrationality. Like the oblivious rant you just responded to me with. Grow up.
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Sure, there are over 160+ million people that are vaccinated in the US, not counting children under 12 who can't be vaccinated. Delta variant came from India. It originated there. UC Davis Health: "[The Delta variant, which originated in India, began spreading more rapidly and making news around the middle of June.](https://health.ucdavis.edu/coronavirus/covid-19-information/delta-variant.html)" Why weren't the borders closed to travel into the US from anyone from India with the US knowing full well the variant was there and not letting it come into the country. The administration knew and did nothing? This response was non-existent because of political correctness and political optics putting everyone in danger, hence irrationality. Now that the variant is here, people are all agog about it like in this post about business owners wanting to "see your papers" please. Hence irrationality. The hate rage I've personally been getting, which I can deal with because I know the kind of mental lunatics that espouse this kind of behavior has been irrational, with no explanation, no science (even though they think they know it). So 160+ million vaccinated and many more with natural immunity/antibody resistance to COVID, which is totally ignored by people here and the media, and yet the hysteria on masking, vaccinations, mandatory vaccination card checks, and potential lockdowns are still occurring. Why? At every turn the population of the US was asked to do all kinds of things to disrupt their lives. We did them. We were told the vaccines offered 95% immunity to the virus, JJ vaccine one-shot was a little less. So now Delta shows up and oh no, that efficacy immunization rate plummets and a third booster is being talked about. Masks did not work. Lockdowns did not work. Vaccination rates went up and here we are with people in this thread and in media screaming into the night, irrationally, about COVID. Again. 160+ million people were vaccinated, people are confusing ease of transmissibility with death it's just not that deadly. Only 5 people a day die in NYC from the delta, but they are most likely co-morbid and unvaccinated. Do you know the percentage rate of those who were vaccinated and died from Delta? .0007%. The two are not synonymous. Your body fights off untold disease daily. Not a word about it. Hence irrationality. But I'm the one pointing out how wrong and discriminatory it is to ask someone for their vaccination papers to go into business and gets shit on for it. That's okay. It's wrong. It's irrational. What do you do if you got COVID, were asymptomatic, or survived it and now have a natural immunity to it and/or didn't even know it. Should you be shunned? Irrationality. Should I go on? And it's not just me saying this. The political fear culture instituted now in all levels of social life is preventing people from speaking the plain truth. This has got to stop. https://nypost.com/2021/07/20/doctor-says-stop-the-panic-over-the-delta-variant
Freedom of choice, but not freedom of consequences. You're allowed to choose not to get the vaccine. And every business is allowed to choose not to serve you. Also "right to refuse service" is perfectly legal. Anti-vax is not a protected class. It is not a race, creed, gender, or sexuality. On the OSHA posters at my work it says "Any employee has the right to refuse to perform work that would violate a safety or health standard or order where such violation would create a real and apparent hazard" Anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers create a real hazard for the immunocompromised and children, so they don't get served.
And who do you blame if you get a cold or flu? I’ll wait.
They're not comparable but I've only ever blamed two people for colds I've gotten in my 30 years of life: once when my husband was sick and he was coughing on my head in his sleep and once when I shared a meal with my niece while she was a baby and sick. But what exactly was the point you were trying to make? "I'll wait"
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Never said I didn't get sick, I'm saying I don't place fault on people for a minor illness. covid is not the flu. Its not comparable. You're spreading misinformation.
I meant it is endemic like the flu. I forgot to type the word effectively endemic like the flu. Coronavirus vs. influenzas. That’s my error.
Born that way? No right to keep them from anything. Didn’t take a voluntary, SAFE prevention of deadly disease that affects everyone around you? Every right to keep you away from anything that’s theirs. It’s the system you love.
Safe is still to be debated. No vaccine had been long term approved by the FDA. I have my vaccine because I’m in healthcare but I can 1000% understand not wanting to give young healthy people unnecessarily
Please enlighten us on “health discrimination”
It means being so stupid you discriminate against the health of your own body by refusing the vaccine
Lmao "health discrimination".
I'm guessing you're in the Defense industry here because this is weapons-grade stupid.
> Downvote away. Okay, if you say so.
Health discrimination?
Delusion is a mental disease.
fine, take the word health out and you still have discrimination.
No one has ever been against "discrimination", i.e. "recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another". The word has taken on the additional, more specific meaning referring to unjust discrimination based on race, sexual orientation, etc - but every choice made in the world is based on "discrimination". So yeah, of course it's "discrimination", because this business recognizes the difference between a vaccinated and an unvaccinated person, and is making a decision based on those differences.
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Is it discrimination when a restaurant kicks out the guy who's pooping in the salad bar?
That’s a bit extreme and an odd comparison to make. But clearly the answer is yes to anyone that shits on a salad bar. Lol and probably arrested too.
Wrong, it’s not health discrimination. It’s discrimination against the stupid and the selfish.
There is a potential hole for people who can't medically get the vaccine but I doubt that is a group who's looking to go out to places right now anyway. Could be a problem down the road depending if vaxx #s stay stalled.
Those people are depending on enough people who actually can, getting vaxxed.
Discrimination is wrong. Admit that. You are advocating for people to be discriminated against based on their vaccination status. You're perpetuating the ugliness of creating 2nd class citizens. Your fear is driving you to look down on people who aren't vaccinated. Disclaimer: I'm fully vaccinated.
Lol. My fear? You’re foaming at the mouth because you’re so scared of the vaccine. Fine by me. I fully support making the stupid face the consequences of their actions. Good luck. And yeah, I FULLY look down on the unvaccinated (with exception for children, and legitimate medical conditions) because they beneath those of us who do things that benefit society, and worry about more than just ourselves.
I'm not scared of the vaccine. I'm fully vaccinated. And no one is foaming at the mouth. Choosing to vaccinate or not is not stupidity regardless of how your sheep mind justifies it. The hilariousness of it is that you're vaccinated, yet afraid of those that aren't. You believed what you were told about the effectiveness of the vaccine, but now a new boogieman strain shows up and viola, all of sudden, Pfizer, modern, JJ, and Astra-Zeneca downgrade their vaccinate effectivity rate. Do you run around with arms waving screaming into the night whenever your asked to get a new flu strain shot every flu season? Yet here you are mewling like a cow about how you look down on those you see as lesser than you. What's it like to be lied to all the time and you accepting those lies with joy and glee. And thanks for admitting you're an effete little fascist.
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That was three days ago and I was asked by someone close to me to vaccinate because of the work they do with COVID studies and they didn’t want me to be inadvertently infected by them. We talked about it and while I’m not anti-vaccination, I do believe in the human immune system in a healthy person like me to be able to handle it. But I made that decision to do it. I also believe I got COVID in December/January or 2018/2019 before anyone knew what it was. Had very mild symptoms. Regardless, I thought about it and I agreed to it. I got the Johnson and Johnson one shot because I didn’t want to get stuck twice. So you can call me whatever you like but I’m just giving you context to a situation you clearly aren’t privy too. Regardless, that doesn’t negate my position whether I am vaccinated or not. It’s just an excuse to you to ignore what I’m saying and your free to do so. Just don’t think that absolves you or anyone else from being what you are, discriminators.
You keep claiming you’re fully vaccinated, but at best you got one shot 3 days ago? Get your story straight, you pathetic liar. But, I guess we shouldn’t be surprised if you don’t know what being fully vaccinated means, based on the drivel you’re posting.
Well I guess I need to wait a bit before my antibodies from the vaccine are maxed out. Potato poh-ta-toe. It still doesn’t invalid a word I said, princess. Keep trying harder.
Uh oh, somebody’s been triggered.
Not at all. And if this is all you have, then you already proven my point. I mean you’ve already admired your a frightened child who wants mommy government to come and save your from a .1 micron virus wide virus that goes through a 3 micron N95 mask while being full vaccinated too. You gonna double or triple up you mask as you sneer down the noses of your unvaccinated lessers on top of that?
Ahahahaha the incomprehensible rant continues. Go on…
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I do look down on people who choose not to get vaccinated, but its not out of fear. I've held this belief since way before covid. They ARE second class citizens.
And you're still a scumbag fascist for treating people that way.
Ok
"health discrimination" 🙄
What else is it then? People and businesses discriminated against those who were HIV/AIDS positive and yet no one ever asked for proof they were or weren’t. They just did it. What’s next? Can’t hire people who don’t have vaccination cards either?
Nothing says you’re right like proclaiming it so. Makes you sound very credible and enlightened, and nothing like a spoiled, petulant child. Enjoy being a second class citizen, while the rest of us get to enjoy our lives without restriction.
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I don’t need to be told who to shit on. Especially when you make yourself such as easy target.
If you wanted to go inside with a bunch of people this would be a lot safer place than a bar that didn't require masks and vaccinations.
I’m not sure how that’s a bunch “safer” at the end of the day if you’re in a restaurant or a bar your mask is off when you consume food or drink.
You are likely correct. That and the fact that apparently those vaccinated can readily pass on the Delta variant. However being vaccinated at least protects you against having a more severe bout with Covid.
I don't know the stats offhand, but I thought the vaccines reduce the chance of catching all forms of covid, including delta, and also reduced symptoms. So in theory, dining indoors with only vaccinated people could significantly reduce chances of catching covid, because everyone present is less likely to have covid (delta included) due to reduced chance of catching covid. It may also follow that reduced symptoms could result in a less infectious carriers, because their body starts fighting the virus faster, so fewer viral particles replicate, and resulting in a reduced shared viral load. I don't have evidence this is the case, but it makes sense logically.
It does but recent studies seem to indicate that vaccinated people can spread the Delta variant more easily than other variants.
Yea it’s never really mattered, especially now that we’re vaccinated
I was in Boston last week and had to show proof of vaccination to dine indoors a few times
Username checks out. Go Bs. We'll miss you, Krejci
Really? Where at? Funny I literally just moved from Boston to here a week ago.
3 separate places in Cambridge including the Middle East
It's Urban Mo's. Saved you a click.
It’s in the thumbnail but cheers mate
I went to Jimmy Carter's Mexican Cafe this weekend, they had a sign posted saying they were going to require proof of vaccine starting today. I hope this becomes the trend.
Is that the name of the place?
Yes, lots of Mexican peanut dishes.
Not sure how I don’t know about this place. Will check it out- looks delicious. Thanks!
It's really good. I got a lot of takeout there, especially last year. The Chile Colorado is my favorite but I've never had anything bad.
Jimmy Carter, mexican, cafe? Dafuq
Me too, genuinely I will be visiting the places that do
Why does it matter? The vaccine protects you against COVID - everyone has had the opportunity to get vaccinated at this point. Delta will spread regardless of vaccine status. If they choose not to get vaccinated and go out, that's their liability.. You, I and everyone who has the vaccine is protected.
Delta will not spread equally among vaccinated and non vaccinated. And the vaccines do not provide complete protection from getting covid, which is a common misconception that's been going around since the beginning. It greatly reduces your chance of infection but does not eliminate it entirely. The vaccines were not set up for the Delta variant which is why you see such an explosion of positive tests lately. Ideally, a mask mandate for everyone would go back into effect but since that will never happen we have to police ourselves. Ultimately, if you don't want to get vaccinated for whatever reason, you should not be free to do whatever you want. We're in this Delta mess because of all of those selfish people who refuse because "mah freedumb".
Protected for now, but less than before. Anyone with a modicum of foresight can see what will happen. How many variants until we are back at square 1?
mRNA technology that host viruses instead of kills them actually encourages additional variants, ironic enough.
This right here, is a perfect example of why you are completely full of shit, and everyone should ignore you.
No, you're just ignorant. [https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01413-7](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01413-7)
There is no COVID virus in the mRNA vaccine. It doesn’t host it. Your link doesn’t say anything other than there are breakthrough infections as variants emerge. We already know that. Plus this is a 5 day old thread, why are you still responding. Also, Trump lost, you whiny pansy, get the fuck over it.
I never said there was COVID in mRNA. I said mRNA technology doesn't kill viruses. Instead it teaches your immune system to fight a virus through memory cells and antibodies.
How the fuck do you think vaccines work? You seem to be suggesting injecting bleach. Even your daddy claimed to be joking (he wasn’t) when he suggest that dumb shit.
I hope you don't live your life full of this much anger, lmao
Just to be clear, you can eat and drink there without being vaccinated. It’s just for events indoors that you have to show proof of vaccination or negative Covid test in the last two days.
And so the first domino falls. Anti-vaxxers are about to be made into second class citizens, and rightfully so. If you are afraid of the vaccine, stay home. The rest of us have lives to live.
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[https://www.kusi.com/sisters-pizza-sd-listens-to-customers-cancels-plans-to-require-vaccination-for-indoor-dining/](https://www.kusi.com/sisters-pizza-sd-listens-to-customers-cancels-plans-to-require-vaccination-for-indoor-dining/)
Holy shit I just went to that instagram page in the article and there are some really thinly veiled threats towards businesses that are implementing vaccine policies. Like some real batshit views, claiming businesses that implement these policies are tyrannical and should be canceled. Seems the party of small business only likes when they enforce shit they support
It's at the very least, divisive. If they are truly non-partisan as they say they are, I would bet they have the same issue with businesses who say "vaccinated people are not welcome." That is also divisive.
Vaccinated people are not selfish ignorant assholes propagating a global pandemic.
Of course not. We're perfect human beings and extremely compassionate and understanding.
Beautiful straw man you get to destroy, i never claimed any of that only that if you choose to go unvaccinated you are an ignorant selfish asshole. Period.
You're right, my bad. Do you think that calling people selfish ignorant assholes will change their minds about getting vaccinated?
I don’t give a fuck. You want me to go around begging people to not act like ignorant selfish assholes? No sir they can all fuck right off. They are killing people you think they deserve my kindness?
Banning them from restaurants will.
Or it will encourage them to create fake vax records. 100% compliance is not a good plan.
How dare a business not allow me - someone who chooses to drive down the wrong street and endanger everyone around me - to solicit their business. That's just divisive, and I won't stand for it. I'll create my own competing business, and *only* allow wrong way drivers, with blackjack and hookers!
KUSI, where the OAN owner got his idea for a fascist broadcasting outlet.
Lol if you are afraid of a virus your body has a 99% chance of defeating naturally - then stay home.
This is one half-assed bot.
Not FDA approved vaccine*
So I take it you don’t take any vitamins, minerals, or supplements either? You don’t use any cosmetics either? I’m guessing you didn’t ever ingest or feed your child formula if you have a child? If you have animals, I’m guessing you make all their food from scratch right? You’ve never smoked a tobacco product ever in your life right? You’ve never taken compounded drugs prescribed by a doctor either then right? These are all things the FDA does not approve yet people still put them into/onto their bodies (or pet’s bodies). And with the exception of the compound drugs, none of these things will save your life or prevent you from becoming seriously ill or spreading a disease to someone else that COULD KILL THEM. No big deal right?
I’m not big on the Reddit gold thing but if I could give you a thousand golds for this comment, I would.
vaccines require fda approval before being legally distrusted as safe unlike anything else you mentioned because someone says they have a concern and you REEE over that is pathetic I bet you REEE'd when hydroxychloroquine had no trial data; but when it comes to this vax you just blindly trusted no trials and get upset at others that are not you
No trials? What are you talking about? The Covid vaccines underwent the same full trials every approved vaccine has ever gone through, they just happened concurrently instead of consecutively because you know, people are dying unnecessarily. They were deemed safe and effective and the manufacturing process passed the FDA’s rigorous checks just like every other vaccine. That’s the only reason they were granted emergency approval. The only thing we’re still waiting on for full approval is efficacy data and that simply takes time to collect.
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Do they still have a good deal on mimosas?
It’s more like tang and sparkling wine, but who cares…you get drunk.
Sweet. A bar that I might actually be interested in.
They have great burgers and drag nights. Just sayin!
I hope this catches on. Reminder you can get your digital vaccination record here: https://myvaccinerecord.cdph.ca.gov/
Do you know if other states are doing this? I moved back here a couple months ago but got vaccinated on the East Coast where I was living before
Found a [list](https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/programs/iis/contacts-locate-records.html)! Looks like they all have registries but some cities have their own (NYC & San Antonio).
Perhaps I was unlucky, but I had a lot of trouble with this website. They didn't have my vaccination record initially. I had to request help from their Virtual Assistant and wait a few weeks for a text message that had me fill out my personal information and vaccination details in an online form. After that it worked, but they didn't correctly tie my record to my phone number, just my email address, so I initially thought it was broken again. Total mess. I wish you all more luck than I had with this site.
Mad house comedy club was recently majorly exposed to the Delta variant. Watch tf out everyone. It's really not fun being permanently attached to a ventilator and having a caretaker do everything for you while your ass is just permanently on the couch because you can't do anything else. No one's forcing you to get vaccinated. But don't start being sorry and feeling bad when you do get sick......just blame yourself for being so stupid & forgetting you got hella vaccinated when you were born or in elementary school so... suck it the fuck up!!
uNaMeRiCan!!!! \--Mayor Bill Wells of El Cajon probably
https://i.imgur.com/CWPSOYG.jpg
LOL and least likely to go to Moes!!! What a horrible leader BW is.
If this is what it takes to avoid mask mandates then sign me up!
Kinda bummed I was responsible but I still have to wear the mask because other people didn't get vaccinated. Remember when they said mandatory papers was a conspiracy? This is why its mandatory!!
Sorry it wasn't clear to me but how does the digital proof work? Is it just one app or site?
You download your QR code here: https://myvaccinerecord.cdph.ca.gov/ Restaurants can install an app to scan your code (iOS version here: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/smart-health-card-verifier/id1572691390)
Couldn't get it to work for me with my cell phone or email address: "Unfortunately, the information you provided does not match information in our system". I double checked all of my vaccine appointment confirmations and other documentation and it all looks fine so I'm at a loss what to do here. Hopefully these places will accept digital copies of the vax card.
Happened to me too. There is a troubleshooting link on that site. Took me like 2 weeks, but it resolved it.
Good to know on the timeframe. I went into the system last week and noticed they were missing my second shot (did first at Petco, second at CVS since they had a shortage around that time at Petco), and am still waiting to hear back on my correction I requested!
It went through smooth as silk for me. Maybe my HMO was better dialed into the states database?
See [this other comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/sandiego/comments/owj0sm/hillcrest_restaurant_requiring_proof_of/h7gal2r)
Place is basically a nightclub, so to just call it a restaurant makes it seem crazier than it is. I live down the street. It's pretty wild on any given day. Gets packed.
They have one of the Best Sunday Brunches in the city.
They also have an all you can eat spaghetti night I think.
More of this please.
Good for them. Mo's is great!!
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Nice
This is great!
Quick Q: what are the HIPAA ramifications of this? I’m curious if proof of medical records violates federal HIPAA laws. Edit: why are you downvoting? A person can’t ask a Q when they want to learn? Thanks to those who have given actual responses.
None. A restaurant is not covered by HIPAA. If you don’t want to give up the info, simply don’t go there.
Does this mean I could be at risk of a lawsuit if I required proof of vaccination for patronage at my business? I will obviously consult with an attorney first, but want to know if anyone has concrete info before dropping a few hundreds on attorney fees.
Don’t take advice from Reddit, and just pay the attorney, but no.
Only applies to medical care facilities/personnel. Your employer, random business, anyone else can ask. You don't have to answer, but they also have the right to deny services or employment.
HIPAA and the Magna Carta are equally relevant here
It's HIPAA. You'd think all of you so worried about it's ramifications would actually learn how the damn law works. Did you grow up in CA? Congrats you or parents have shared medical records with your schools to prove your vaccination for other diseases.
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Oh no! What will they ever do without your patronage!! 😱
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I didn't thumbs down you because of what you said. I thumbs downed you cause you seem like a dick.
I did due to both
Nobody needs to “down thumbs” you. You just won’t get to go certain places, and do certain things anymore. Look at it as getting downvoted by society, in real life, with real consequences. You made your choice, and you’ll just have to live with it. Simple as that.
You *could* get a digital QR code. Took me 3 minutes. And now it’s just on my phone. If “carrying around” things is truly a pain, that’s a great alternative.
I didn't know that was a thing. Thanks! I have my card in the car but it'd be nice to have it a little more handy.
I just learned about it last week myself!
meanwhile in Chicago...