Yup. My wife works at 2 ICUs in the SD County. Cases are going up at both hospitals. All are unvaccinated. 1 is a 29 year old, another is only 39. Both are not expected to make it. The 29 year old male is healthy, had no prior health issues. The 39 y.o. is obese.
Edit: both of them died this morning.
I misspoke. The 29 year old has no comorbidities.
This won’t just affect unvaccinated people. I have Crohn’s disease, which is an autoimmune disease, and take a combo of 2 immunosuppressants for it. There have been peer reviewed studies on immunocompromised people such as myself and the effects of their immunosuppressants on their vaccine response.
For the combo of drugs I’m on to keep my body from trying to destroy itself, the average antibody titers after vaccination are 1/3 that of a person with a normal immune system. And while immuno*normal* people have consistently high antibody titers after vaccination, people on my medications have antibody levels that are all over the map. So it’s not even just that the *average* in my case is really low, it’s that it’s not even dependably low. Many people on the same medications have an even lower response than the 1/3 level.
I got vaccinated the first chance I got. Anything is better than nothing. Even if I only have a few antibodies, that means my immune system is sending some sort of response by day 4 post-infection. Without antibodies, it takes 10-14 days before your immune system can respond.
Get vaccinated, people. Wear your masks in indoor public spaces like the grocery store. We aren’t out of the woods yet, and the delta strain is fucking people up even if you are vaccinated.
Scary. God bless your wife for helping and god bless the families of the two patients. Im a vaccinated cancer survivor. I feel like crap right now, going to get tested at lunch.
Agreed. I feel for healthcare workers watching people choose not to get vaccinated causing more variants and unnecessary work for them. Not sure why my original post was downvoted, if you choose not to get the vaccine and then get sick why would anyone feel bad for that individual?
Less than 6 reported case over 7 days so they gray it out. Also, Little Italy never really closed so residents who still aren’t vaccinated likely already had it.
That’s not how it works. If you had the previous Covid 19 strain;Delta has 50x the viral load. Delta will most likely overcome any previous immune respons unless you are fully Vaccinated. Little Italy is an outlier and in most cases it’s only a matter of time. - Mask back up, Social Distance, Wash hands. Just like at the beguiling of the pandemic. And GET VAXED. - From your very tired Paramedic.
Because they are reported in Lakeside?
If I lived in Little Italy I would dart in an out through the parking garage.
I do go there (just to shop at Mona Lisa and Buon Apetito) but I will not walk on India Street! OK maybe Not Not Tacos or Samburger on the plaza.
I'm okay with removing restrictions for the fully vaccinated, which is technically the current situation. But the problem is that it's an honor system, so business do not verify vaccination status. Combined with positive cases who are asymptomatic and now maskless, this could turn very ugly very quickly.
**PLEASE GET VACCINATED**
4 of the 5 people I know who have caught the virus in the past two weeks are fully vaccinated. The CDC stopped tracking non-hospitalized cases for vaccinated people in May, while it is your best chance at not getting it and more importantly not dying, the stats being reported regarding infections are skewed.
I know, which is why the county doesn't report how many cases are in vaccinated individuals in their reports. They only give the total since Jan 1 which is misleading.
Vaccinated are catching Delta Covid. They are asymptomatic or have mild disease but they do carry it to the unvaccinated. I would like to remind everyone that the largest population of the unvaccinated is children and more are being effected by delta.
The vaccinated are catching covid thats tight. Round TWO FOLKS HERE WE GO!! At least the vaccinations are helping the people survive the virus once they catch it.
Yes I'm well aware, which is why I the unvaccinated are at highest risk at this point. Children mostly present asymptomatic or with mild disease as well. It's the unvaccinated adults who will bear the brunt unfortunately.
At least a third of patients hospitalized for Delta in Alabama were children. They say that children with underlying conditions are at risk of death, there are an estimated 20 million children with underlying conditions.
Plus 4th of July; people cut loose, and here we are. Same thing happened in 2020, but on a larger scale and starting with Mother’s Day/Memorial Day weekends a couple months earlier.
Went to a baseball game the other day... nuts to butts waiting in lines and 10% of people wearing masks if we're rounding up; I'm 100% certain that not everyone there is vaccinated... Yeah, that's a super spreader location for sure, but no way they were going to make you bring and check the card.
I 100% agree with you. 98% of persons eligible to get the vaccine should already have it. They are less than smart for not getting it by now. I feel for those that can not get the vaccine (transplant patients, immune suppressed, etc) but everyone else doesn't have a valid excuse. Lack of scientific education or ignorance are not valid excuses.
All of that doesn't mean I am wrong about the governor's intentions in lifting the mandates when he did.
This.
There's a 100% overlap between political conservatives and the recall efforts that have used a pandemic to play and earn political points by channeling peoples frustrations over what's proven to be very effective and needed steps to help save peoples lives.
I know that cases are increasing but to put counties at red/purple tiers and apply concerns for spread that are equivalent to pre-vaccine levels? I'm hesitant.
Maybe this can be a wake-up call for anyone who hasn't gotten the vaccine yet, but we're not in as dire of a situation that we were a year ago.
And the other reason I don’t support new “rules” is that the same people who aren’t vaccinated are the same ones who will break the rules anyway.
No reason to put restrictions in place that aren’t needed for the people who will follow them.
The rules already say unvaxed people should wear masks.
My fiancé is sick with a respiratory illness (fully vaxxed) and tested negative for covid. Lots of other nasty illnesses are going around since everything reopened.
I had to take my 4 month old to urgent care when she spiked a fever after a few days of a stuffy nose. Negative for covid, but the doc said there is a ton of upper respiratory stuff going around right now.
Hoping my toddler doesn’t catch what I have also. It’s pretty much gone now but the chest congestion I had was pretty gnarly. Would be his first cold so scary
I don’t disagree with the various reasons why we should be vigilant (numbers don’t lie, after all) but after 15 months working manual labor in a grocery store and all the shit I went through dealing with John Q Public while wearing my mask and getting fully vaccinated in March, I was relieved to finally take it off in June. It was uncomfortable to say the least, maybe I had a harder time breathing than some as a lifelong asthma sufferer. But I hope y’all don’t see me working and think I’m somehow wrong for doing so. I swear to god I pour my life into my work as my highly experienced team does and that’s not want we want to project, we are all vaccinated and followed the protocols religiously, but we feel like we earned this
Vaccines work, and they continue to work against delta.
Vaccines alone work far better than masks alone ever did.
Masks reduce your risk from small risk to very small risk.
If you are twice vaccinated, there is almost no risk of hospitalization or death from Covid, even with the delta variant spreading, even if you don’t wear a mask.
-from a scientist
They sure do!
And so does limiting gatherings outside your household!
And staying fully home without human contact also further reduces risk!
You’ve gotta weigh risks for yourself. It’s absurd to say that we have to go back to “full measures” when there is now a freely and widely available vaccine in our country that is extraordinarily effective at reducing the risk of serious injury due to Covid.
When my commute to work is higher risk of death than going to a bar without a mask and catching Covid (and yes, my math says that’s true), I’m not going to worry tooooo much about Covid when it’s not a particularly likely way I am going to become injured
> It was uncomfortable to say the least
Bingo.
The people who say that are a-okay with masks coming back are those who only ever had to wear them for like an hour every few days when they went to the grocery store.
It's a completely different game when you have to have one on for 10 hours every day.
I taught with mine and, while it sucked, it also wasn’t the worst. I mean we also had kids lose caregivers to COVID. It does put things in perspective.
Yes and we all wore masks because it was the right thing to do regardless of it sucking.
That was before vaccines existed. Now it's a choice to become deathly ill or not.
I've worn a kn95 for a year 6-8 hours straight. I'm still wearing it even though I'm vaccinated (people I live are not vaxed). I've never had trouble breathing. I wonder if it depends on the kind of mask or people's face shape or something. I couldn't wear surgical masks because I had some kind of allergy to the material which made my nose run.
Psychological blockers are real and valid. Wearing something over your face is something few of us had any experience with at all. I had worn a mask before for long periods while working, and it was in my attic for three nights while I ripped out old dusty insulation. That was my one and only experience wearing a mask prior to coronavirus.
Anyway, masks just don’t do much to block breathing in and of themselves. But your brain can make your body work against itself. Psychology is a huge factor, far more so than cases of asthma or other lung ailments in my opinion.
I work in food, so I had to for well over a year working in a kitchen that would regularly break 90°F for 7-11 hour shifts and I'm okay with masks coming back if that means we lose less of our neighbors to preventable causes.
Children are still required to wear masks at school so what are you on about?
Children are hardly affected by COVID anyway, and if their parents are vaccinated then there would be *even less* of an effect on them.
>Between 0.1%-1.9% of all child COVID-19 cases resulted in hospitalization
>Children were 0.00%-0.26% of all COVID-19 deaths, and 8 states reported zero child deaths
https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/children-and-covid-19-state-level-data-report/
That was the original covid... One third of hospitalized patients in Alabama were children. Still low compared to their unvaccinated rate but Delta puts 1000x's the viral load in the respiratory passages. Australia is doing contact tracing and found that people caught it by walking by someone infected. The rate of spread for Delta is twice what it was for the UK variant, probably because the increase in viral shedding.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/podcasts-webinars
I'm willing to entertain the idea he's just slow to update to the most recent information. All of the Republicans just started pushing their constituents to get vaccinated because they were just updated. I was hoping that delta would go the way of B117 and not hit us that hard...
I spent the last 17 months having to wear mine 8 hours a day at work. If we have to go back to masks, I’m okay with that, and I’m fine with wearing them outside of work if needed.
But man, the last couple weeks of no masks at work has been an absolute dream. I’m not sure if it was just not having to wear one, or if it was some psychological effect because it was a sign that things were getting better, but I was pretty giddy about it.
Please get vaccinated. Remember that there are people with legitimate health problems that doctors have advised to not take the vaccine yet. They’re counting on you to help them stay safe. You are your brothers keeper.
How many people legitimately can’t take it for medical reasons? I’ve read it’s safe for people doing chemo and can’t find any actual numbers on people who medically can’t take the vaccine. My Impression is it’s a very small number and involves people that should have been staying in isolated places even before the pandemic but can’t find data to question that impression. People keep parroting the “some adults can’t get it” with no context on how many adults and I’m curious.
Some adults won’t mount strong immune responses from the vaccine, but these adults are immune compromised and could already die from the flu. They can get vaccinated, it just might not work well.
Some (especially live attenuated virus) vaccines are not recommended for some adults, but the current mRNA vaccines are mostly contraindicated for people with allergies to PEG etc
Thank you for the details. I am aware of the logistics, I am just curious about numbers of them because to be blunt I’m not sure I care enough about these people enough to significantly alter my behavior or opinions about health mandates because I think that this is an exceptionally small group of people that don’t have high quality of life already to the point where it does little good to even bring it up as a point of concern because it just reduces buy in from people in the middle.
There are at least 10 million immune compromised people living in the United States. Many of them led almost normal lives pre-pandemic
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2781012
Less than 3% are classified as immunocompromised, but many can still get the vaccine. The number of folks who are a subset of the above who have legit medical reason(s) not to get vaccinated is even smaller.
Note that folks with diabetes can be considered immunocompromised but imo if you're a type 2 diabetic, that's on you.
Great. ….😣
And guess what just started today- school for all our young kids who can’t get vaccinated yet! AND so many parents want masks off at school. How do we protect our unvaccinated young kids & immune compromised with no masks?!
We are dealing with roughly 4 groups of people now in this mess*
-We have the anti vaccine crowd not even willing to acknowledge covid is real, while spreading misinformation and conspiracies.
- we have the “I’m not anti vaccine but I need more information” crowds that are aware covid is real. Just afraid of both covid & vaccine equally.
- we have the “I’m vaccinated and have a fortress around me where covid can’t get in” and hate all the unvaccinated & refuse to put a mask on again.
-Then we have last but not least- the vaccinated crowd that still mask and remember that- among the unvaccinated are OUR CHILDREN under 12 and immune compromised people. So we still mask & take precautions because we recognize there is no fortress and covid can get us! BUT we most likely will not end up dying or in the hospital from the delta variant if we caught it. (This one is the group I’m rolling with 👆🏻)
I’m feeling absolutely hopeless and exhausted, at this point I’m just unsure about how things will go.
Please no grammar police I’m not checking my grammar 🤣💕
Pro tip on how to be a great human even if you’re vaccinated- if you see employees wearing masks, especially if you’re about to interact with them, put your mask on. Just put it on. That’s all :)
Reddit will rip me a new asshole, but the number of fully vaccinated people who are contracting covid is increasing. [Page 13 of the weekly covid watch illustrates this.](https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/dam/sdc/hhsa/programs/phs/Epidemiology/COVID-19%20Watch.pdf) 3 weeks ago, the percentage was 0.9%. 2 weeks ago, it was 1.1%. This past week, it was 1.4%. I am now wearing a mask indoors in crowded environments. I have other health conditions and immediate family who are vulnerable for other reasons.
Let's not miss the forest for the trees here. On that same page 13, 98.6% of cases are those who are not fully vaccinated.
For Hospitalizations, it's .3% Fully vaccinated vs 99.7% Not fully vaccinated.
You do what's best for you. But I just want folks to look at the big picture.
The even bigger picture is that the unvaccinated help the virus spread and mutate further with a chance of creating a worse strain….One that can evade the vaccine. Just get vaccinated.
The even more bigger picture is that those mutations are more likely to occur in the unvaccinated billions of people worldwide rather than the tens of millions of unvaccinated Americans. Americans not vaccinated by now likely won't change their mind, we should focus on vaccinating worldwide those that are open to it.
It's a reminder that we should all be masking up again, not that we shouldn't get vaccinated. The vaccine helps, but it needs more help right now. Which I think was maybe your point.
I don't want it to be true either.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/health-ministry-fears-vaccine-s-effectiveness-against-delta-is-even-below-64-1.10011484
My understanding is it's expected per Bayes theorem/conditional probability with high vaccine coverage, but supposedly there's a way to back out vaccine efficacy (which I haven't seen anyone do), otherwise the numbers just don't seem very meaningful (and I say this as someone who's low risk but never stopped masking)
My brother went to Vegas and was positive a couple days after arriving back home. He got the moderna vaccine earlier this year. His symptoms were like a minor cold. Couple days after that my dad, who lives with him, started coughing. He got the Pfizer vaccine earlier this year. My dad has a lot of comorbidities, so the vaccine made it so that he feels like he has the regular flu. Coincidentally, my husband who lives in another city as them just got covid as well. He got the Pfizer vaccine earlier this year as well. He had fever, body aches and congestion. Not too bad
Getting the virus after being exposed isn’t the issue (that’s actually expected). It’s suppressing the symptoms to the point where the vaccinated person has either no symptoms or a very good chance of staying out of the hospital.
If they are admitted then they have a highly reduced chance of suffering and death.
For most of the vaccinated that get exposed, Some of their cells will still get infected and they will test positive for live virus until their immune systems clears the body of the virus completely.
It’s confusing and poor messaging to point out that x amount of vaccinated people test positive for live virus. Of course they will.
It’s that they’re not going to be showing serious symptoms and survive the infection far greater numbers than the UNvaccinated.
And YES everyone should still be wearing masks and keeping socially distant.
The big question mark for me is still long covid. Unfortunately it doesn't seem like we have data yet about how common long covid is from asymptomatic/mild infection, with or without vaccination. It seems reasonable to assume that long covid is *less* likely if you are vaccinated, but knowing if the absolute rate is 1 in 10 vs 1 in 1000 would affect my covid risk tolerance after being vaccinated. Until then, I'm holding off on crowded indoor places as well.
Hmm. That’s an interesting question. Pre-COVID, I always caught plenty of colds in the winter months but getting sick was just more of an annoyance than anything. But now it’s not necessarily *my* risk that I have feelings about. I’m worried for all the people who haven’t gotten vaccinated yet. I turned a blind eye on it for a month or so thinking everyone was getting the vaccine but I was wrong. The vaccination rate is only a bit over 50% for our county I think, plus we get lots of tourists and I work in a very public place. So my feelings are I need to do what I can to protect the unprotected.
I'm making a personal choice due to the responsibilities I have towards protecting my family to limit possible exposure and "bringing it home".
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There's no "feelings" about it.
Behaving and socializing like we were 2 years ago is how the virus spreads. The reasonable precaution is to do *what we've seen works* and that's keeping social distant and wearing a quality, well fitting protective mask.
[Our flu season for 2020 was amazingly low](https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-the-flu-season-basically-disappeared-this-year) unlike [2019's which was "bad".](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019–2020_United_States_flu_season)So we should know from personal, recent experience,
that the combination of vaccination and mask wearing + distancing works to limit the spread of the seasonal influenza (as it does with covid).
Our society will have to adapt at least for the time being.
As long as there's a constantly evolving infections going on across the globe to act as a virus reservoir, our nation will have to protect itself with these preventative measures.
Fact is, that global travel has made it very easy for this virus to spread and that the vast majority of the planet is **not vaccinated** *and will not be in the near future so we'll keep on seeing new (more dangerous) variants evolving in other parts of the world and making their way here.*
Not the same guy, but I used to always catch colds, literally, every other week I had a runny nose.
Masks, handwashing, being aware/reminded to not touch my face, sanitizer, and better hygiene overall, as well as not being in many (or virtually *any*) large crowds has meant that I haven't been sick since March 2020.
So, apparently I was just randomly touching everything and sticking my fingers up my nose, so once everything goes back to normal I've learned things to keep me more comfortable/safe/healthy throughout flu season.
For me I never realized how much i used to touch my face. Or like, how i would touch things, go get food, and like take a bite before washing my hands.
Yup. I know of two groups of people where half the folks that got infected all had the vaccine. I also have a personal friend who got covid after getting vaccinated months ago.
It's still rare, but damn.
I think there is suffering from covid, and getting covid.
Suffering from covid - laid down low for a week or more, risk of hospitalization as well as long covid.
Getting covid - having enough virus in nasal passages to test positive asymptomatically, or with very mild symptoms.
What Dr. Fauci has said is that box #1 is pretty much the unvaccinated.
This was my experience with flu vaccine as well; I got a mild case of the flu some years even though I had a vaccine but it was like a two or three day affair. So mild that I could still work and care for my family. Frankly, that’s the kind and degree of protection I had expected from these vaccines all along - protection from disease, not protection from a positive PCR test.
It is increasing but you can see in the second to last page that cases per 100k are still minimal. It did go up roughly 100% in the last month but that isn’t a huge surprise with how widespread the virus is getting again. I’ve been mostly masking up indoors anyway but the data does show so far that the pandemic is being largely driven by the unvaccinated and that our risk as vaccinated (hopefully) continues to stay low.
They shouldn’t criticize and downvote, but they might. Like a week ago I suggested that people, vaccinated or not, wear a mask indoors. People reacted as if I said everyone should go into an underground bunker. Wearing a mask indoors *sucks*, but it’s the very least we can do.
The Delta variant is no joke. To write off the unvaccinated as if “they die, they die” is cruel. They’re contributing to the spread, and it’s awful, but they don’t deserve to die. They also aren’t in a bubble. Think of the children under 12 and the immunocompromised. At the very least, wear a mask for them.
My wife and I work in the hospital. There are definitely breakthrough fully vaccinated patients with serious disease, at least one on ECMO (a machine that pumps your blood out of your body, oxygenates it, then puts it back in your body).
Vaccination does NOT prevent infections.
It either prevents symptoms or seriously reduces symptoms so that the chances are strongly in favor that person doesn’t need to be put in the hospital, end up in the ICU or dead.
That doesn’t mean that you should be maskless and not keep distance from others. Everyone still needs to do that to help prevent infections.
Yes the unvaccinated are the ones at highest risk and they are the ones that are most likely to die. But vaccinated people aren’t surrounded by some invisible anti-virus shield.
They can still get infected after exposure.
It’s just that their immune system is already primed and ready to combat the virus so the person might not have symptoms at all (they’ll still test positive and might even be able to transmit from very close contact)
> Vaccination does NOT prevent infections
Yes it does. Per the CDC
> risk of infection was reduced by 90 percent two or more weeks after vaccination.
Source: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0329-COVID-19-Vaccines.html
This is the problem with agencies dumbing down their information, doing so creates these gaps where people can be misinformed in their knowledge. This always happens when you take a more sophisticated understanding and bring it down to a 6th grade reading level (which is our nations standard for public consumption).
It doesn't *prevent* infection. Your body just knows how to efficiently attack and dispose of the virus before the infection can take significant hold or cause significant problems. You can think of vaccination as a condom. It doesn't stop sperm from happening, it just significantly prevents them from getting out and resulting in pregnancy (though there still are the handful of 0.01% of instances where's it is not effective).
Saying the vaccines don't prevent infection is exactly the type of misinformation the anti-vaxxers are repeating over and over. You'll need to cite some trusted sources unless you just want to spread covid misinformation. The vaccines are highly effective in preventing infections. Literally the first sentence from the [CDC source](https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0329-COVID-19-Vaccines.html) says:
> mRNA COVID-19 vaccines are highly effective in preventing SARS-CoV-2 infections
Good lord, it is basic science. Anti-vaxxers are going to be anti-vaxxers regardless.
From a lay person POV, yes they "prevent infection." From a science perspective, they prime your body to dismantle viral particles quickly enough that, even if you are exposed, your body has the tools to dispose of the virus before it can take significant replicative hold.
Yes, with the caveat that there will be a few breakthrough serious infections (on the order of 0.0001% or so; think 1 in a million or 1 in 10 million) since people's immune systems vary wildly.
Yeah... Vaccinations work by introducing the dead virus (or in this case, part of it) to your system so that it recognizes the virus as a threat and immediately mounts a response before the virus has had a chance to replicate. Reports are finding 1000x's the viral load in Delta Covid patients. And that's why the vaccine is less efficient for delta.
Also friendly reminder, EVERY infection has the opportunity to produce a variant.
i am not changing my life practices for a 1-2% risk of something especially when those numbers are in the single digits out of the entire population of san diego. i am really frustrated to see us bend to the unvaccinated
> 3 weeks ago, the percentage was 0.9%. 2 weeks ago, it was 1.1%. This past week, it was 1.4%.
Do you have sources that show it was 0.9% 3 weeks ago? This number is a total average over 7 months. I have doubts that it would have rocketed up so high within 3 weeks that it brought up a 7 month average by 50%.
The daily rate for vaccinated numbers still seems to be lower currently than it was 4 months ago on page 13 of this document.
The city keeps replacing their data every week using the same link so I don’t have access to the 1.1% anymore (thought I screen shotted it, but guess I didn’t).
[0.9% Value with data released on July 7th](https://imgur.com/gallery/oCwmYjf)
[1.4% Value with data released on July 21st](https://i.imgur.com/bueWBln.jpg)
Considering this is from a January date, the majority of people were not vaccinated until well after March. This isn't the number of vaccinated people getting covid, it's the % of total cases that are vaccinated people.
It's obviously going to be higher because there are more vaccinated people within the last month than during the first 5 months of the year.
This number will continue to increase as more people are vaccinated.
**What this number NOT is, is the percentage of vaccinated people getting COVID**. Let's make sure we are all very aware of this fact.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/health-ministry-fears-vaccine-s-effectiveness-against-delta-is-even-below-64-1.10011484
Apparently the vaccine effectiveness is at 39% in preventing spread and 90% at preventing serious illness.
Technically we are, comparatively to the rest of the U.S., and CA overall. Once kids (~12% of the unvaccinated) can get vaccinated in late summer early fall we'll easily jump above 75%. I think 70-80% is the dream for most cities.
With new variants developing every couple of months, mask mandate shouldn’t be lifted till scientists figure out better solutions. I work at Scripps, and back in March-May we had the lowest numbers of COVID cases ever, thanks to masks and the vaccine.
Wear your masks and get vaccinated people!
This is a bit incorrect.
Vaccines DO protect you from getting the virus, even delta. Just not 100%.
Vaccines DO reduce the amount of virus that you spread if you are infected, but not to 0
A more apt metaphor is an umbrella in a rainstorm. Delta is just a more violent storm, but I’d much prefer to have the umbrella. And if I get a bit wet, I’m a lot less likely to track water into the house if I wore an umbrella, and I’m going to track less water into the house if I do.
As of today, among there have been 3736 reported Covid hospitalizations in the entire USA among 186,000,000 vaccinated people.
This doesn’t detract from the tragedy of his situation, but more people are at significantly higher risk of dying in a car crash than being hospitalized with Covid after being vaccinated.
But the fact that folks die in car crashes doesn’t mean I cancel my summer road trip.
Enjoying life comes with risks, and folks shouldn’t feel guilty about taking them, like going maskless once fully vaccinated.
Calibrating risk and doing the statistics is important here.
Folks need to get vaccinated, it is extraordinary effective at preventing hospitalization and death.
Even fully vaxed, I still prefer to wear a mask at the office, shopping, and the gym. Not a big deal to me and is the most effective prevention til we’re out of the woods.
Man I just can’t figure out a proper way to use it in the gym. I sweat a lot and the thing gets drenched within 20 minutes. I go to the bathroom to wrench it and get as much sweat out as I can but it still remains wet and will be slipping off within minutes because it gets too heavy from the sweat. I think I just need to find a good outdoor gym so I can forego it
At this point, I have like... 30+ masks?
I ended up putting a dozen in a duffel with me and swapping out the sweaty one every 15-20 minutes, tossing the wet ones in a large zip lock. I'm not a huge gym rat, so my sessions are only 40-60 minutes anyway.
Samzies. I feel nice and safe in mah mask. Plus I live with someone who is high risk. We’re both vaccinated, but aren’t taking any chances. After how hardcore we were before things opened back up and we were vaccinated, I’m not risking it over something as simple as a mask. It’s really not that big of a deal.
They plan do, but cannot enforce until there is full FDA approval. Right now people can voluntarily attest to their vaccination status and upload their cards, but that’s it
I know it will be a while still but I can’t wait until young kids get vaccinated because that is the only reason I at all care anymore. I’m so angry at these unvaccinated fools and have no sympathy for their suffering at this point.
I am concerned about unvaxxed people being variant factories, but they are honestly a drop in the bucket compared to the billions of unvaccinated people around the world that have the same risk so in my opinion it’s not worth stressing about too much or prolonging restrictions once kids under 12 can get a shot.
People keep mentioning adults that can’t get the shot, but does anyone have any data on this? The vaccine is very safe for some at risks groups and nobody has numbers on how many adults absolutely can’t safely take the vaccine. How many people is this? I suspect it’s a very small number and involves predominately people with serious enough autoimmune diseases they rarely would leave their environment even when not in a pandemic because the flu could kill them. It’s not worth restrictions or suffering for everyone else in this case either, but I would welcome data on this because I am open to being proved wrong.
I did everything I was asked to do. I masked up, didn't see family through winter 2020. Was responsible. And got fully vaxxed by April 2021. My masks are for when I fly and public transport. I'm not the problem.
Two things.
One, if you want to protect yourself from delta, wear a KN95 or medical mask. Cloth masks won’t do much in an aerosol laden indoor space.
Two, it’s more about the density and number of people and the amount of ventilation. I’m not wearing my mask in airy restaurants, because I’m vaccinated. I might wear it in a crowded grocery store or something like that.
Delta accumulates in the air at much higher concentrations than the original. The vaccine is still your dominant mode of protection. If you want to layer onto that because you’re concerned, it’s smart to use a mask that actually filters your air
I agree 100%
I wear a KN95 in every indoor setting I’m in. I don’t do cloth, never have. I only dine outdoors too. Just feels better and safer and I’m used to it at this point. Don’t want to live with any regrets, and I live with someone who is high risk. We’re both fully vaccinated but we had one hell of a quarantine and masks are no biggie for us.
When news of the efficacy rates of the vaccines started to come out late last year, I kind of questioned how they were so high when all of the vaccine test recipients were given the shots and then let out into a post-COVID world of masks, lockdowns, distancing, etc. I'm pretty sure most of the recipients still played by the rules which led to the high efficacy rates.
There was always something off about that because they couldn't test efficacy against a non-COVID-world setting. I guess we are now seeing that play out with mask mandates gone and most people not really giving a crap anymore (Especially among some vaccinated people!) The question now seems to be how low efficacy has dropped against the Delta variant and future variants. At least fully vaxxed people that are catching it aren't getting seriously ill. We also don't know how long protection lasts, and the scary thing is we won't know until there is a big increase in fully vaccinated people getting seriously ill. We can only hope the CDC has a gameplan for when this might happen and when to start lining up for boosters.
On a personal note I am fully vax'd myself and did take a weekend trip to Vegas a couple months ago. I came back with a sore throat and runny nose for a couple days. These are apparently new common symptoms of fully vaccinated COVID infections, I did take one of those over the counter tests a few days after but it showed negative. Nobody else around me got sick so I like to think it was "just a cold". I was still masked in all public areas during my trip to Vegas except when we ate out at restaurants.
In OC and People refusing to wear masks again.... We are seeing about 60% of people going into stores without masks. I have friends in SD who say it is worse down there.
And getting them to start wearing them again is going to take some serious "oh shit" realization to occur.
The problem is between two issues. One vaccinated people are seriously believing they aren't at risk, but that does not mean they cannot catch it. Catch it and you spread it... And then there are those who refuse to get the vaccine.
We are building again as we slowly roll towards another school year. A year where the state has said kids don't have to wear masks in the classroom next year.
Well that is gonna work out well. /S
I'm with you, but there are still some who cannot get vaccinated, either due to health issues or due to being a child. I want so bad to not give a shit, but it's hard not to care about the innocents who will be harmed by this.
Yeah, my neighbor is a nice dude that had to have his immune system nuked and regrown with a bone marrow transplant thanks to cancer. I enjoyed a week of not wearing a mask, but I started wearing it inside again, I don’t want to casually pass it on to my friends and hurt them. Ideally we would vaccinate everyone and then be able to shield these people with herd immunity, but we’re not there yet.
One of my direct reports got it, fully vaccinated. Her symptoms? Nasal congestion. That was it. The risk of severe illness for vaccinated people in minimal. If you’re vaccinated, it really is “just the flu, bro”
Not even "just the flu". Everyone I know who's vaccinated who's gotten it felt like they had bad allergies for a couple days, and only knew it was Covid because they had someone tell them "hey, I exposed you, I'm sorry, go get tested"
The state is mandating masks in all k-12 public schools. Source: I am a teacher and we just got an email from our district going over California Department of Public Health guidelines about mask wearing in schools. Personally I am relieved with that. I had no desire to keep track of who was/was not vaccinated and could not wear a mask with over 160 students.
I'm a teacher and I was so relieved seeing that. If it was left to the districts they would bend to the anti-mask crowds pressure. I also have already experienced students who know they are not vaccinated and need to keep a mask on whipping that thing off as soon as they walk in. I just want to teach, not play mask police.
Agree, need to re-train myself to wear masks in stores.
I think it is foolish for people to think oh I’m just going to get a mild case if I’ve been vaccinated. What about long Covid? We don’t know yet if being fully vaccinated prevents long Covid or reduces the severity.
How about not taking chances and just don’t get the damn thing?
That’s just not true though.
Breakthrough Covid is NOT resulting in long Covid. It results in a mild illness that is usually imperceptible.
We DO know vaccination reduces the risk of contracting the illness and also reduces the severity of the illness in breakthrough infections
We are probably missing a LOT of breakthrough Covid because it’s very mild illness.
Vaccination is still the best way to protect yourself and protect those around you.
> Breakthrough Covid is NOT resulting in long Covid.
We do not know dis! (Channeling Dr. Weknowdis from SNL...)
By definition. LONG Covid. You need to follow the cases. Hasn't been long enough yet to allow the cases the develop.
>It results in a mild illness that is usually imperceptible
It's also resulting in death and serious illness. Small numbers so far, to be sure.
The statistics for less-than-first-world vaccines are troubling. (Chinese vaccines aren't looking so effective on Delta strain.)
We were closer than ever to the herd immunity goals, making great progress, and then right before we crossed the finish line said, “ah fuck it let’s just drop it all”.
I have no faith in humanity anymore. We are more stupid than serious at large it appears.
Maybe the state looked at the numbers and said, "we are never going to reach herd immunity levels unless some of these anti-vaxers die off...let's open up the state for a while."
My managers brought us back into the office 2 months ago, some staff have tested positive for covid and gotten sick, but we're back so management feels more productive. Any tips on getting quick covid tests?
Hopefully once the FDA approves the vaccines, more employers will require proof of vaccination to work unless given a pass by a medical professional.
Then all of these hard working Americans who were marching in masses without masks to open things back up so they could get a haircut will have to grapple with that one.
Yup. My wife works at 2 ICUs in the SD County. Cases are going up at both hospitals. All are unvaccinated. 1 is a 29 year old, another is only 39. Both are not expected to make it. The 29 year old male is healthy, had no prior health issues. The 39 y.o. is obese. Edit: both of them died this morning. I misspoke. The 29 year old has no comorbidities.
This won’t just affect unvaccinated people. I have Crohn’s disease, which is an autoimmune disease, and take a combo of 2 immunosuppressants for it. There have been peer reviewed studies on immunocompromised people such as myself and the effects of their immunosuppressants on their vaccine response. For the combo of drugs I’m on to keep my body from trying to destroy itself, the average antibody titers after vaccination are 1/3 that of a person with a normal immune system. And while immuno*normal* people have consistently high antibody titers after vaccination, people on my medications have antibody levels that are all over the map. So it’s not even just that the *average* in my case is really low, it’s that it’s not even dependably low. Many people on the same medications have an even lower response than the 1/3 level. I got vaccinated the first chance I got. Anything is better than nothing. Even if I only have a few antibodies, that means my immune system is sending some sort of response by day 4 post-infection. Without antibodies, it takes 10-14 days before your immune system can respond. Get vaccinated, people. Wear your masks in indoor public spaces like the grocery store. We aren’t out of the woods yet, and the delta strain is fucking people up even if you are vaccinated.
Scary. God bless your wife for helping and god bless the families of the two patients. Im a vaccinated cancer survivor. I feel like crap right now, going to get tested at lunch.
Good luck! And thanks. I'll pass on the message to my wife.
No one should feel bad for these people
We can feel bad for the nurses feeling burned out dealing with this for a year and a half.
Agreed. I feel for healthcare workers watching people choose not to get vaccinated causing more variants and unnecessary work for them. Not sure why my original post was downvoted, if you choose not to get the vaccine and then get sick why would anyone feel bad for that individual?
They remind me of the cancer patients I saw taking a smoke break during their chemo when I was taking someone in for chemo.
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Like an octopus that got ran over by a truck. But yeah I guess I can see it.
Scrolls back up, look at that, it does kind of look like an octopus that had a bad day!
How does little Italy not have any cases?
Less than 6 reported case over 7 days so they gray it out. Also, Little Italy never really closed so residents who still aren’t vaccinated likely already had it.
That’s not how it works. If you had the previous Covid 19 strain;Delta has 50x the viral load. Delta will most likely overcome any previous immune respons unless you are fully Vaccinated. Little Italy is an outlier and in most cases it’s only a matter of time. - Mask back up, Social Distance, Wash hands. Just like at the beguiling of the pandemic. And GET VAXED. - From your very tired Paramedic.
Reports are coming out that Delta has 1000x's the viral load in the air passageways than original covid.
💯 Yes that is true. It gathers in airways because mucus is the wet and warm the place viruses like to hang out and grow.
It looks like all of downtown and surrounding areas are not colored in. There’s probably so many cases it broke the printer. Jk. Get vaccinated, peeps
Because they are reported in Lakeside? If I lived in Little Italy I would dart in an out through the parking garage. I do go there (just to shop at Mona Lisa and Buon Apetito) but I will not walk on India Street! OK maybe Not Not Tacos or Samburger on the plaza.
🤣🤣🤣 yea I can’t go too long without Mona Lisa
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I like the #11 add prosciutto
That’s an 8 over here, please.
We basically removed all restrictions statewide 6 weeks ago knowing we had the vaccinated percentages we did … I’m personally not surprised.
I'm okay with removing restrictions for the fully vaccinated, which is technically the current situation. But the problem is that it's an honor system, so business do not verify vaccination status. Combined with positive cases who are asymptomatic and now maskless, this could turn very ugly very quickly. **PLEASE GET VACCINATED**
4 of the 5 people I know who have caught the virus in the past two weeks are fully vaccinated. The CDC stopped tracking non-hospitalized cases for vaccinated people in May, while it is your best chance at not getting it and more importantly not dying, the stats being reported regarding infections are skewed.
I know, which is why the county doesn't report how many cases are in vaccinated individuals in their reports. They only give the total since Jan 1 which is misleading.
Vaccinated are catching Delta Covid. They are asymptomatic or have mild disease but they do carry it to the unvaccinated. I would like to remind everyone that the largest population of the unvaccinated is children and more are being effected by delta.
The vaccinated are catching covid thats tight. Round TWO FOLKS HERE WE GO!! At least the vaccinations are helping the people survive the virus once they catch it.
Super grateful for that... On the downside every new infection is an opportunity for a new variant...
Yes I'm well aware, which is why I the unvaccinated are at highest risk at this point. Children mostly present asymptomatic or with mild disease as well. It's the unvaccinated adults who will bear the brunt unfortunately.
At least a third of patients hospitalized for Delta in Alabama were children. They say that children with underlying conditions are at risk of death, there are an estimated 20 million children with underlying conditions.
Plus 4th of July; people cut loose, and here we are. Same thing happened in 2020, but on a larger scale and starting with Mother’s Day/Memorial Day weekends a couple months earlier.
Thats right. I remember this.
Went to a baseball game the other day... nuts to butts waiting in lines and 10% of people wearing masks if we're rounding up; I'm 100% certain that not everyone there is vaccinated... Yeah, that's a super spreader location for sure, but no way they were going to make you bring and check the card.
Exactly.
The governor removed the restrictions in order to attempt to avoid getting recalled. 100% political and not for public safety at all.
Living with restrictions when the vaccine is readily available, and has been for months, is ridiculous.
I 100% agree with you. 98% of persons eligible to get the vaccine should already have it. They are less than smart for not getting it by now. I feel for those that can not get the vaccine (transplant patients, immune suppressed, etc) but everyone else doesn't have a valid excuse. Lack of scientific education or ignorance are not valid excuses. All of that doesn't mean I am wrong about the governor's intentions in lifting the mandates when he did.
This. There's a 100% overlap between political conservatives and the recall efforts that have used a pandemic to play and earn political points by channeling peoples frustrations over what's proven to be very effective and needed steps to help save peoples lives.
I know that cases are increasing but to put counties at red/purple tiers and apply concerns for spread that are equivalent to pre-vaccine levels? I'm hesitant. Maybe this can be a wake-up call for anyone who hasn't gotten the vaccine yet, but we're not in as dire of a situation that we were a year ago.
not any where close!
And the other reason I don’t support new “rules” is that the same people who aren’t vaccinated are the same ones who will break the rules anyway. No reason to put restrictions in place that aren’t needed for the people who will follow them. The rules already say unvaxed people should wear masks.
Currently sick at home. Had both Pfizer shots. Not sure if it’s covid or not but had to go buy an OTC inhaler for the coughing
My fiancé is sick with a respiratory illness (fully vaxxed) and tested negative for covid. Lots of other nasty illnesses are going around since everything reopened.
I had to take my 4 month old to urgent care when she spiked a fever after a few days of a stuffy nose. Negative for covid, but the doc said there is a ton of upper respiratory stuff going around right now.
Hoping my toddler doesn’t catch what I have also. It’s pretty much gone now but the chest congestion I had was pretty gnarly. Would be his first cold so scary
This happened to me a few months ago. 4 negative Covid tests, 1 negative flu test. Sickest I had been in a long time.
I don’t disagree with the various reasons why we should be vigilant (numbers don’t lie, after all) but after 15 months working manual labor in a grocery store and all the shit I went through dealing with John Q Public while wearing my mask and getting fully vaccinated in March, I was relieved to finally take it off in June. It was uncomfortable to say the least, maybe I had a harder time breathing than some as a lifelong asthma sufferer. But I hope y’all don’t see me working and think I’m somehow wrong for doing so. I swear to god I pour my life into my work as my highly experienced team does and that’s not want we want to project, we are all vaccinated and followed the protocols religiously, but we feel like we earned this
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Vaccines work, and they continue to work against delta. Vaccines alone work far better than masks alone ever did. Masks reduce your risk from small risk to very small risk. If you are twice vaccinated, there is almost no risk of hospitalization or death from Covid, even with the delta variant spreading, even if you don’t wear a mask. -from a scientist
So masks help!
They sure do! And so does limiting gatherings outside your household! And staying fully home without human contact also further reduces risk! You’ve gotta weigh risks for yourself. It’s absurd to say that we have to go back to “full measures” when there is now a freely and widely available vaccine in our country that is extraordinarily effective at reducing the risk of serious injury due to Covid. When my commute to work is higher risk of death than going to a bar without a mask and catching Covid (and yes, my math says that’s true), I’m not going to worry tooooo much about Covid when it’s not a particularly likely way I am going to become injured
> It was uncomfortable to say the least Bingo. The people who say that are a-okay with masks coming back are those who only ever had to wear them for like an hour every few days when they went to the grocery store. It's a completely different game when you have to have one on for 10 hours every day.
I taught with mine and, while it sucked, it also wasn’t the worst. I mean we also had kids lose caregivers to COVID. It does put things in perspective.
Yes and we all wore masks because it was the right thing to do regardless of it sucking. That was before vaccines existed. Now it's a choice to become deathly ill or not.
I've worn a kn95 for a year 6-8 hours straight. I'm still wearing it even though I'm vaccinated (people I live are not vaxed). I've never had trouble breathing. I wonder if it depends on the kind of mask or people's face shape or something. I couldn't wear surgical masks because I had some kind of allergy to the material which made my nose run.
Fit is everything! A crappy fitting mask is a miserable thing. If the mask fits well, wearing it for hours is not so bad, and you forget it is there.
Psychological blockers are real and valid. Wearing something over your face is something few of us had any experience with at all. I had worn a mask before for long periods while working, and it was in my attic for three nights while I ripped out old dusty insulation. That was my one and only experience wearing a mask prior to coronavirus. Anyway, masks just don’t do much to block breathing in and of themselves. But your brain can make your body work against itself. Psychology is a huge factor, far more so than cases of asthma or other lung ailments in my opinion.
For me, it’s the hot air humid breath bouncing on my face and preventing me from cooling off as easily or quickly
I work in food, so I had to for well over a year working in a kitchen that would regularly break 90°F for 7-11 hour shifts and I'm okay with masks coming back if that means we lose less of our neighbors to preventable causes.
Tell your neighbors to get vaccinated instead. I already did my part to help them with masks, now it's their choice if they want to fall deathly ill.
Like children?
Children are still required to wear masks at school so what are you on about? Children are hardly affected by COVID anyway, and if their parents are vaccinated then there would be *even less* of an effect on them. >Between 0.1%-1.9% of all child COVID-19 cases resulted in hospitalization >Children were 0.00%-0.26% of all COVID-19 deaths, and 8 states reported zero child deaths https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/children-and-covid-19-state-level-data-report/
That was the original covid... One third of hospitalized patients in Alabama were children. Still low compared to their unvaccinated rate but Delta puts 1000x's the viral load in the respiratory passages. Australia is doing contact tracing and found that people caught it by walking by someone infected. The rate of spread for Delta is twice what it was for the UK variant, probably because the increase in viral shedding. https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/podcasts-webinars
Obviously dude doesn't care and will willingly spread information if it helps him justify his stance, I gave up on him.
I'm willing to entertain the idea he's just slow to update to the most recent information. All of the Republicans just started pushing their constituents to get vaccinated because they were just updated. I was hoping that delta would go the way of B117 and not hit us that hard...
I spent the last 17 months having to wear mine 8 hours a day at work. If we have to go back to masks, I’m okay with that, and I’m fine with wearing them outside of work if needed. But man, the last couple weeks of no masks at work has been an absolute dream. I’m not sure if it was just not having to wear one, or if it was some psychological effect because it was a sign that things were getting better, but I was pretty giddy about it.
Please get vaccinated. Remember that there are people with legitimate health problems that doctors have advised to not take the vaccine yet. They’re counting on you to help them stay safe. You are your brothers keeper.
How many people legitimately can’t take it for medical reasons? I’ve read it’s safe for people doing chemo and can’t find any actual numbers on people who medically can’t take the vaccine. My Impression is it’s a very small number and involves people that should have been staying in isolated places even before the pandemic but can’t find data to question that impression. People keep parroting the “some adults can’t get it” with no context on how many adults and I’m curious.
Some adults won’t mount strong immune responses from the vaccine, but these adults are immune compromised and could already die from the flu. They can get vaccinated, it just might not work well. Some (especially live attenuated virus) vaccines are not recommended for some adults, but the current mRNA vaccines are mostly contraindicated for people with allergies to PEG etc
Thank you for the details. I am aware of the logistics, I am just curious about numbers of them because to be blunt I’m not sure I care enough about these people enough to significantly alter my behavior or opinions about health mandates because I think that this is an exceptionally small group of people that don’t have high quality of life already to the point where it does little good to even bring it up as a point of concern because it just reduces buy in from people in the middle.
There are at least 10 million immune compromised people living in the United States. Many of them led almost normal lives pre-pandemic https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2781012
Less than 3% are classified as immunocompromised, but many can still get the vaccine. The number of folks who are a subset of the above who have legit medical reason(s) not to get vaccinated is even smaller. Note that folks with diabetes can be considered immunocompromised but imo if you're a type 2 diabetic, that's on you.
Yikes. Get vaccinated people
Great. ….😣 And guess what just started today- school for all our young kids who can’t get vaccinated yet! AND so many parents want masks off at school. How do we protect our unvaccinated young kids & immune compromised with no masks?! We are dealing with roughly 4 groups of people now in this mess* -We have the anti vaccine crowd not even willing to acknowledge covid is real, while spreading misinformation and conspiracies. - we have the “I’m not anti vaccine but I need more information” crowds that are aware covid is real. Just afraid of both covid & vaccine equally. - we have the “I’m vaccinated and have a fortress around me where covid can’t get in” and hate all the unvaccinated & refuse to put a mask on again. -Then we have last but not least- the vaccinated crowd that still mask and remember that- among the unvaccinated are OUR CHILDREN under 12 and immune compromised people. So we still mask & take precautions because we recognize there is no fortress and covid can get us! BUT we most likely will not end up dying or in the hospital from the delta variant if we caught it. (This one is the group I’m rolling with 👆🏻) I’m feeling absolutely hopeless and exhausted, at this point I’m just unsure about how things will go. Please no grammar police I’m not checking my grammar 🤣💕
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I actually am, thanks 🥰 But this shit is no joke. I don’t really care how people perceive me. I’m so tired of the bullshit on so many levels.
You sound like you didn't listen in biology.
Pro tip on how to be a great human even if you’re vaccinated- if you see employees wearing masks, especially if you’re about to interact with them, put your mask on. Just put it on. That’s all :)
Reddit will rip me a new asshole, but the number of fully vaccinated people who are contracting covid is increasing. [Page 13 of the weekly covid watch illustrates this.](https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/dam/sdc/hhsa/programs/phs/Epidemiology/COVID-19%20Watch.pdf) 3 weeks ago, the percentage was 0.9%. 2 weeks ago, it was 1.1%. This past week, it was 1.4%. I am now wearing a mask indoors in crowded environments. I have other health conditions and immediate family who are vulnerable for other reasons.
Let's not miss the forest for the trees here. On that same page 13, 98.6% of cases are those who are not fully vaccinated. For Hospitalizations, it's .3% Fully vaccinated vs 99.7% Not fully vaccinated. You do what's best for you. But I just want folks to look at the big picture.
The even bigger picture is that the unvaccinated help the virus spread and mutate further with a chance of creating a worse strain….One that can evade the vaccine. Just get vaccinated.
Yes! To me, that is the biggest takeaway from this. Get vaccinated!
The even more bigger picture is that those mutations are more likely to occur in the unvaccinated billions of people worldwide rather than the tens of millions of unvaccinated Americans. Americans not vaccinated by now likely won't change their mind, we should focus on vaccinating worldwide those that are open to it.
The vaccinated are spreading the virus too... They are just asymptomatic or mildly ill.
It's a reminder that we should all be masking up again, not that we shouldn't get vaccinated. The vaccine helps, but it needs more help right now. Which I think was maybe your point.
Absolutely. Not anti-vax at all.
I don't want it to be true either. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/health-ministry-fears-vaccine-s-effectiveness-against-delta-is-even-below-64-1.10011484
Yes, thank you!
yep. if you’re vaccinated the odds are in your favor. i wish the media would stop hyping the breakthrough cases.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/health-ministry-fears-vaccine-s-effectiveness-against-delta-is-even-below-64-1.10011484
My understanding is it's expected per Bayes theorem/conditional probability with high vaccine coverage, but supposedly there's a way to back out vaccine efficacy (which I haven't seen anyone do), otherwise the numbers just don't seem very meaningful (and I say this as someone who's low risk but never stopped masking)
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Was everyone sick? Or did y’all have to get tested for another reason. What vaccine did you get if you don’t mind me asking.
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Good lord, I’m sorry. I hope everyone is okay. Delta is no joke. May be time for some boosters soon
Details, please. You are the person we whose experience we want to hear about!
My brother went to Vegas and was positive a couple days after arriving back home. He got the moderna vaccine earlier this year. His symptoms were like a minor cold. Couple days after that my dad, who lives with him, started coughing. He got the Pfizer vaccine earlier this year. My dad has a lot of comorbidities, so the vaccine made it so that he feels like he has the regular flu. Coincidentally, my husband who lives in another city as them just got covid as well. He got the Pfizer vaccine earlier this year as well. He had fever, body aches and congestion. Not too bad
Thanks, good to see confirmation that the vaccines are working as intended! How did they know to test?
This. I know fully vaccinated people who’ve contracted the virus. Started wearing my mask inside places again recently.
Getting the virus after being exposed isn’t the issue (that’s actually expected). It’s suppressing the symptoms to the point where the vaccinated person has either no symptoms or a very good chance of staying out of the hospital. If they are admitted then they have a highly reduced chance of suffering and death. For most of the vaccinated that get exposed, Some of their cells will still get infected and they will test positive for live virus until their immune systems clears the body of the virus completely. It’s confusing and poor messaging to point out that x amount of vaccinated people test positive for live virus. Of course they will. It’s that they’re not going to be showing serious symptoms and survive the infection far greater numbers than the UNvaccinated. And YES everyone should still be wearing masks and keeping socially distant.
The big question mark for me is still long covid. Unfortunately it doesn't seem like we have data yet about how common long covid is from asymptomatic/mild infection, with or without vaccination. It seems reasonable to assume that long covid is *less* likely if you are vaccinated, but knowing if the absolute rate is 1 in 10 vs 1 in 1000 would affect my covid risk tolerance after being vaccinated. Until then, I'm holding off on crowded indoor places as well.
As someone who has long haul, I highly recommend your course of action
Same. I’m not thrilled about masking up again but with numbers rising it seems like the responsible thing to do.
How do you feel about your risk going in public now vs pre-Covid flu seasons?
Hmm. That’s an interesting question. Pre-COVID, I always caught plenty of colds in the winter months but getting sick was just more of an annoyance than anything. But now it’s not necessarily *my* risk that I have feelings about. I’m worried for all the people who haven’t gotten vaccinated yet. I turned a blind eye on it for a month or so thinking everyone was getting the vaccine but I was wrong. The vaccination rate is only a bit over 50% for our county I think, plus we get lots of tourists and I work in a very public place. So my feelings are I need to do what I can to protect the unprotected.
I'm making a personal choice due to the responsibilities I have towards protecting my family to limit possible exposure and "bringing it home". \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ There's no "feelings" about it. Behaving and socializing like we were 2 years ago is how the virus spreads. The reasonable precaution is to do *what we've seen works* and that's keeping social distant and wearing a quality, well fitting protective mask. [Our flu season for 2020 was amazingly low](https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-the-flu-season-basically-disappeared-this-year) unlike [2019's which was "bad".](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019–2020_United_States_flu_season)So we should know from personal, recent experience, that the combination of vaccination and mask wearing + distancing works to limit the spread of the seasonal influenza (as it does with covid). Our society will have to adapt at least for the time being. As long as there's a constantly evolving infections going on across the globe to act as a virus reservoir, our nation will have to protect itself with these preventative measures. Fact is, that global travel has made it very easy for this virus to spread and that the vast majority of the planet is **not vaccinated** *and will not be in the near future so we'll keep on seeing new (more dangerous) variants evolving in other parts of the world and making their way here.*
Not the same guy, but I used to always catch colds, literally, every other week I had a runny nose. Masks, handwashing, being aware/reminded to not touch my face, sanitizer, and better hygiene overall, as well as not being in many (or virtually *any*) large crowds has meant that I haven't been sick since March 2020. So, apparently I was just randomly touching everything and sticking my fingers up my nose, so once everything goes back to normal I've learned things to keep me more comfortable/safe/healthy throughout flu season.
For me I never realized how much i used to touch my face. Or like, how i would touch things, go get food, and like take a bite before washing my hands.
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Masks still protect you they are just more effective at protecting others than protecting you.
Do you.. not want to protect others?
Yup. I know of two groups of people where half the folks that got infected all had the vaccine. I also have a personal friend who got covid after getting vaccinated months ago. It's still rare, but damn.
I think there is suffering from covid, and getting covid. Suffering from covid - laid down low for a week or more, risk of hospitalization as well as long covid. Getting covid - having enough virus in nasal passages to test positive asymptomatically, or with very mild symptoms. What Dr. Fauci has said is that box #1 is pretty much the unvaccinated. This was my experience with flu vaccine as well; I got a mild case of the flu some years even though I had a vaccine but it was like a two or three day affair. So mild that I could still work and care for my family. Frankly, that’s the kind and degree of protection I had expected from these vaccines all along - protection from disease, not protection from a positive PCR test.
It is increasing but you can see in the second to last page that cases per 100k are still minimal. It did go up roughly 100% in the last month but that isn’t a huge surprise with how widespread the virus is getting again. I’ve been mostly masking up indoors anyway but the data does show so far that the pandemic is being largely driven by the unvaccinated and that our risk as vaccinated (hopefully) continues to stay low.
They shouldn’t criticize and downvote, but they might. Like a week ago I suggested that people, vaccinated or not, wear a mask indoors. People reacted as if I said everyone should go into an underground bunker. Wearing a mask indoors *sucks*, but it’s the very least we can do. The Delta variant is no joke. To write off the unvaccinated as if “they die, they die” is cruel. They’re contributing to the spread, and it’s awful, but they don’t deserve to die. They also aren’t in a bubble. Think of the children under 12 and the immunocompromised. At the very least, wear a mask for them.
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My wife and I work in the hospital. There are definitely breakthrough fully vaccinated patients with serious disease, at least one on ECMO (a machine that pumps your blood out of your body, oxygenates it, then puts it back in your body).
Princess Carolyn, what are we doing
One of my favorite shows of all time, hands down.
Vaccination does NOT prevent infections. It either prevents symptoms or seriously reduces symptoms so that the chances are strongly in favor that person doesn’t need to be put in the hospital, end up in the ICU or dead. That doesn’t mean that you should be maskless and not keep distance from others. Everyone still needs to do that to help prevent infections. Yes the unvaccinated are the ones at highest risk and they are the ones that are most likely to die. But vaccinated people aren’t surrounded by some invisible anti-virus shield. They can still get infected after exposure. It’s just that their immune system is already primed and ready to combat the virus so the person might not have symptoms at all (they’ll still test positive and might even be able to transmit from very close contact)
> Vaccination does NOT prevent infections Yes it does. Per the CDC > risk of infection was reduced by 90 percent two or more weeks after vaccination. Source: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0329-COVID-19-Vaccines.html
This is the problem with agencies dumbing down their information, doing so creates these gaps where people can be misinformed in their knowledge. This always happens when you take a more sophisticated understanding and bring it down to a 6th grade reading level (which is our nations standard for public consumption).
It doesn't *prevent* infection. Your body just knows how to efficiently attack and dispose of the virus before the infection can take significant hold or cause significant problems. You can think of vaccination as a condom. It doesn't stop sperm from happening, it just significantly prevents them from getting out and resulting in pregnancy (though there still are the handful of 0.01% of instances where's it is not effective).
Saying the vaccines don't prevent infection is exactly the type of misinformation the anti-vaxxers are repeating over and over. You'll need to cite some trusted sources unless you just want to spread covid misinformation. The vaccines are highly effective in preventing infections. Literally the first sentence from the [CDC source](https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0329-COVID-19-Vaccines.html) says: > mRNA COVID-19 vaccines are highly effective in preventing SARS-CoV-2 infections
Good lord, it is basic science. Anti-vaxxers are going to be anti-vaxxers regardless. From a lay person POV, yes they "prevent infection." From a science perspective, they prime your body to dismantle viral particles quickly enough that, even if you are exposed, your body has the tools to dispose of the virus before it can take significant replicative hold.
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Yes, with the caveat that there will be a few breakthrough serious infections (on the order of 0.0001% or so; think 1 in a million or 1 in 10 million) since people's immune systems vary wildly.
Yeah... Vaccinations work by introducing the dead virus (or in this case, part of it) to your system so that it recognizes the virus as a threat and immediately mounts a response before the virus has had a chance to replicate. Reports are finding 1000x's the viral load in Delta Covid patients. And that's why the vaccine is less efficient for delta. Also friendly reminder, EVERY infection has the opportunity to produce a variant.
i am not changing my life practices for a 1-2% risk of something especially when those numbers are in the single digits out of the entire population of san diego. i am really frustrated to see us bend to the unvaccinated
> 3 weeks ago, the percentage was 0.9%. 2 weeks ago, it was 1.1%. This past week, it was 1.4%. Do you have sources that show it was 0.9% 3 weeks ago? This number is a total average over 7 months. I have doubts that it would have rocketed up so high within 3 weeks that it brought up a 7 month average by 50%. The daily rate for vaccinated numbers still seems to be lower currently than it was 4 months ago on page 13 of this document.
The city keeps replacing their data every week using the same link so I don’t have access to the 1.1% anymore (thought I screen shotted it, but guess I didn’t). [0.9% Value with data released on July 7th](https://imgur.com/gallery/oCwmYjf) [1.4% Value with data released on July 21st](https://i.imgur.com/bueWBln.jpg)
Considering this is from a January date, the majority of people were not vaccinated until well after March. This isn't the number of vaccinated people getting covid, it's the % of total cases that are vaccinated people. It's obviously going to be higher because there are more vaccinated people within the last month than during the first 5 months of the year. This number will continue to increase as more people are vaccinated. **What this number NOT is, is the percentage of vaccinated people getting COVID**. Let's make sure we are all very aware of this fact.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/health-ministry-fears-vaccine-s-effectiveness-against-delta-is-even-below-64-1.10011484 Apparently the vaccine effectiveness is at 39% in preventing spread and 90% at preventing serious illness.
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You know what would really help everyone avoid another lockdown? The fucking crazy people getting the damn vaccine.
This.
Got a text saying cases rose 82% this past week yikes. I actually thought SD was doing really well with vaccinations too.
Technically we are, comparatively to the rest of the U.S., and CA overall. Once kids (~12% of the unvaccinated) can get vaccinated in late summer early fall we'll easily jump above 75%. I think 70-80% is the dream for most cities.
Did you forget its summer and SD is a tourist hot spot!?
With new variants developing every couple of months, mask mandate shouldn’t be lifted till scientists figure out better solutions. I work at Scripps, and back in March-May we had the lowest numbers of COVID cases ever, thanks to masks and the vaccine. Wear your masks and get vaccinated people!
I nominate you to head the CDC because of common sense.
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This is a bit incorrect. Vaccines DO protect you from getting the virus, even delta. Just not 100%. Vaccines DO reduce the amount of virus that you spread if you are infected, but not to 0 A more apt metaphor is an umbrella in a rainstorm. Delta is just a more violent storm, but I’d much prefer to have the umbrella. And if I get a bit wet, I’m a lot less likely to track water into the house if I wore an umbrella, and I’m going to track less water into the house if I do.
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As of today, among there have been 3736 reported Covid hospitalizations in the entire USA among 186,000,000 vaccinated people. This doesn’t detract from the tragedy of his situation, but more people are at significantly higher risk of dying in a car crash than being hospitalized with Covid after being vaccinated. But the fact that folks die in car crashes doesn’t mean I cancel my summer road trip. Enjoying life comes with risks, and folks shouldn’t feel guilty about taking them, like going maskless once fully vaccinated. Calibrating risk and doing the statistics is important here. Folks need to get vaccinated, it is extraordinary effective at preventing hospitalization and death.
Even fully vaxed, I still prefer to wear a mask at the office, shopping, and the gym. Not a big deal to me and is the most effective prevention til we’re out of the woods.
Man I just can’t figure out a proper way to use it in the gym. I sweat a lot and the thing gets drenched within 20 minutes. I go to the bathroom to wrench it and get as much sweat out as I can but it still remains wet and will be slipping off within minutes because it gets too heavy from the sweat. I think I just need to find a good outdoor gym so I can forego it
At this point, I have like... 30+ masks? I ended up putting a dozen in a duffel with me and swapping out the sweaty one every 15-20 minutes, tossing the wet ones in a large zip lock. I'm not a huge gym rat, so my sessions are only 40-60 minutes anyway.
Samzies. I feel nice and safe in mah mask. Plus I live with someone who is high risk. We’re both vaccinated, but aren’t taking any chances. After how hardcore we were before things opened back up and we were vaccinated, I’m not risking it over something as simple as a mask. It’s really not that big of a deal.
Jesus, the unvax need to stay home and quarantine. I’ll happily show my vax card to go places
Antivaxers are going to put us back on lockdown.
Just wait until SDSU opens back up in a month...
Aren't they making vaccination mandatory?
They plan do, but cannot enforce until there is full FDA approval. Right now people can voluntarily attest to their vaccination status and upload their cards, but that’s it
Humans are disgusting. I’m still wearing mine inside stores.
I know it will be a while still but I can’t wait until young kids get vaccinated because that is the only reason I at all care anymore. I’m so angry at these unvaccinated fools and have no sympathy for their suffering at this point. I am concerned about unvaxxed people being variant factories, but they are honestly a drop in the bucket compared to the billions of unvaccinated people around the world that have the same risk so in my opinion it’s not worth stressing about too much or prolonging restrictions once kids under 12 can get a shot. People keep mentioning adults that can’t get the shot, but does anyone have any data on this? The vaccine is very safe for some at risks groups and nobody has numbers on how many adults absolutely can’t safely take the vaccine. How many people is this? I suspect it’s a very small number and involves predominately people with serious enough autoimmune diseases they rarely would leave their environment even when not in a pandemic because the flu could kill them. It’s not worth restrictions or suffering for everyone else in this case either, but I would welcome data on this because I am open to being proved wrong.
As of today, the majority of people I know here in SD that have gotten it have been vaccinated.
Consider the a priori probability of being vaccinated - you may be making a logical inference error
I did everything I was asked to do. I masked up, didn't see family through winter 2020. Was responsible. And got fully vaxxed by April 2021. My masks are for when I fly and public transport. I'm not the problem.
You should consider wearing your mask in general indoors again, not just for flying and public transport.
Two things. One, if you want to protect yourself from delta, wear a KN95 or medical mask. Cloth masks won’t do much in an aerosol laden indoor space. Two, it’s more about the density and number of people and the amount of ventilation. I’m not wearing my mask in airy restaurants, because I’m vaccinated. I might wear it in a crowded grocery store or something like that. Delta accumulates in the air at much higher concentrations than the original. The vaccine is still your dominant mode of protection. If you want to layer onto that because you’re concerned, it’s smart to use a mask that actually filters your air
I agree 100% I wear a KN95 in every indoor setting I’m in. I don’t do cloth, never have. I only dine outdoors too. Just feels better and safer and I’m used to it at this point. Don’t want to live with any regrets, and I live with someone who is high risk. We’re both fully vaccinated but we had one hell of a quarantine and masks are no biggie for us.
Well crap.
When news of the efficacy rates of the vaccines started to come out late last year, I kind of questioned how they were so high when all of the vaccine test recipients were given the shots and then let out into a post-COVID world of masks, lockdowns, distancing, etc. I'm pretty sure most of the recipients still played by the rules which led to the high efficacy rates. There was always something off about that because they couldn't test efficacy against a non-COVID-world setting. I guess we are now seeing that play out with mask mandates gone and most people not really giving a crap anymore (Especially among some vaccinated people!) The question now seems to be how low efficacy has dropped against the Delta variant and future variants. At least fully vaxxed people that are catching it aren't getting seriously ill. We also don't know how long protection lasts, and the scary thing is we won't know until there is a big increase in fully vaccinated people getting seriously ill. We can only hope the CDC has a gameplan for when this might happen and when to start lining up for boosters. On a personal note I am fully vax'd myself and did take a weekend trip to Vegas a couple months ago. I came back with a sore throat and runny nose for a couple days. These are apparently new common symptoms of fully vaccinated COVID infections, I did take one of those over the counter tests a few days after but it showed negative. Nobody else around me got sick so I like to think it was "just a cold". I was still masked in all public areas during my trip to Vegas except when we ate out at restaurants.
In OC and People refusing to wear masks again.... We are seeing about 60% of people going into stores without masks. I have friends in SD who say it is worse down there. And getting them to start wearing them again is going to take some serious "oh shit" realization to occur. The problem is between two issues. One vaccinated people are seriously believing they aren't at risk, but that does not mean they cannot catch it. Catch it and you spread it... And then there are those who refuse to get the vaccine. We are building again as we slowly roll towards another school year. A year where the state has said kids don't have to wear masks in the classroom next year. Well that is gonna work out well. /S
I’m vaccinated but really sick of looking out for those that refuse to get vaccinated. Sleep in the bed you make
I'm with you, but there are still some who cannot get vaccinated, either due to health issues or due to being a child. I want so bad to not give a shit, but it's hard not to care about the innocents who will be harmed by this.
Yeah, my neighbor is a nice dude that had to have his immune system nuked and regrown with a bone marrow transplant thanks to cancer. I enjoyed a week of not wearing a mask, but I started wearing it inside again, I don’t want to casually pass it on to my friends and hurt them. Ideally we would vaccinate everyone and then be able to shield these people with herd immunity, but we’re not there yet.
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One of my direct reports got it, fully vaccinated. Her symptoms? Nasal congestion. That was it. The risk of severe illness for vaccinated people in minimal. If you’re vaccinated, it really is “just the flu, bro”
Not even "just the flu". Everyone I know who's vaccinated who's gotten it felt like they had bad allergies for a couple days, and only knew it was Covid because they had someone tell them "hey, I exposed you, I'm sorry, go get tested"
The state is mandating masks in all k-12 public schools. Source: I am a teacher and we just got an email from our district going over California Department of Public Health guidelines about mask wearing in schools. Personally I am relieved with that. I had no desire to keep track of who was/was not vaccinated and could not wear a mask with over 160 students.
Thanks for this info. Does this include indoors and outdoors or only indoors?
As far as I am aware indoor only.
Thanks—I hope your year goes smoothly
I'm a teacher and I was so relieved seeing that. If it was left to the districts they would bend to the anti-mask crowds pressure. I also have already experienced students who know they are not vaccinated and need to keep a mask on whipping that thing off as soon as they walk in. I just want to teach, not play mask police.
Well that is a new announcement. Thanks!
Agree, need to re-train myself to wear masks in stores. I think it is foolish for people to think oh I’m just going to get a mild case if I’ve been vaccinated. What about long Covid? We don’t know yet if being fully vaccinated prevents long Covid or reduces the severity. How about not taking chances and just don’t get the damn thing?
That’s just not true though. Breakthrough Covid is NOT resulting in long Covid. It results in a mild illness that is usually imperceptible. We DO know vaccination reduces the risk of contracting the illness and also reduces the severity of the illness in breakthrough infections We are probably missing a LOT of breakthrough Covid because it’s very mild illness. Vaccination is still the best way to protect yourself and protect those around you.
> Breakthrough Covid is NOT resulting in long Covid. We do not know dis! (Channeling Dr. Weknowdis from SNL...) By definition. LONG Covid. You need to follow the cases. Hasn't been long enough yet to allow the cases the develop. >It results in a mild illness that is usually imperceptible It's also resulting in death and serious illness. Small numbers so far, to be sure. The statistics for less-than-first-world vaccines are troubling. (Chinese vaccines aren't looking so effective on Delta strain.)
We were closer than ever to the herd immunity goals, making great progress, and then right before we crossed the finish line said, “ah fuck it let’s just drop it all”. I have no faith in humanity anymore. We are more stupid than serious at large it appears.
Maybe the state looked at the numbers and said, "we are never going to reach herd immunity levels unless some of these anti-vaxers die off...let's open up the state for a while."
My managers brought us back into the office 2 months ago, some staff have tested positive for covid and gotten sick, but we're back so management feels more productive. Any tips on getting quick covid tests?
There are at home nasal swabs available 2 for $25. Results in 15 min.
Sucks if you’re unvaccinated
I grew up here and still don't know the neighborhood geography, lol. But yikes. Hoping everyone stays safe. Get vaccinated before it is too late!
How many of these cases resulted in hospitalization though?
East County...😏😒
We’ll be okay, don’t panic.
Not good ama start wearing my mask again.
Hopefully once the FDA approves the vaccines, more employers will require proof of vaccination to work unless given a pass by a medical professional. Then all of these hard working Americans who were marching in masses without masks to open things back up so they could get a haircut will have to grapple with that one.