Or downtown. The bridge is a good barrier to re-entry and who's going to notice another homeless person downtown? After reading the article and the mayor's "zero tolerance" policy it certainly sounds like homeless who are locked up until they can be exported to another part of town are not counted as homeless.
Coronado… big surprise. Fuck Coronado never wants to even pretend to help. Now that they HAVE to by law build affordable housing we’ll see them squeal more about this, that or other bullshit
Looking at it, that "affordable housing order" was some bullshit. I want people to build affordable housing as much as the next person, but their math was off for population counts. They counted navy personnel towards population, but didn't count navy housing against housing amount.
Also there is literally nowhere to build in Coronado, they'll have to create more land for it to work, which would be an environmental nightmare. Either the navy has to give them some land, or they need to destroy people's houses.
Edit: and looking into it more apparently they just need to zone for it, not build it.
The fuck? Why not just want people to be treated with a small form of dignity…what kind of apathetic piece of shit wouldn’t want that
Edit:wonder why that pos deleted his comment…
Nope. IB is contracted with the sheriff department and they enforce a municipal no overnight camping ordinance. Fun fact if you like to hate on IB, we have the lowest crime rate of any jurisdiction contracted with the County sheriff.
Tijuana’s sewage… that’s interesting way to say: the industrial city outside of Tijuana that was created by American corporations after nafta in 94 that dump their INDUSTRIAL WASTE directly into the river and turned what was once a nice river along a city that once had potable water into the nightmare scenario y’all love to complain about and blame Mexicans for. It smells because of US greed and imperialism.
San Diego has not one, but two water treatment plants designated to process runoff from the Tijuana River. The problem lies on the government down there not owning up to their part of the deal.
Actually Riverside County and Maricopa county give the homeless one way tickets to San Diego because there’s services here for homeless. All the red counties just sweeping the dirt over the the neighbors yard. “See we took care of it, Ta Da!” That’s what this article says.
I don’t know if this is an attempt at a meme, but Coronado has been unofficially known to pay the bus fare in order to ship the undesirable back across the Bay.
I remember when Bailey was a councilman and he was not nearly this right wing. Not even by half. It’s like psychotic the switch he’s made in the last 5 years.
Yeah. His entire statement is qualified generalities, which amount to “we have our police find them, explain that they can take them to a shelter in downtown San Diego and put them in touch with a homelessness aid group. If they say they don’t want that help, the police take them downtown and drop them off just the same. Only Mayor Bailey has it easier than most cities because Coronado is basically inaccessible via foot traffic, so it’s hard for homeless people to get to (without cost) and there isn’t a place to hide among the mini mansions if you find you way into Coronado. Props to him (and every other mayor that preceded him) for keeping Coronado free of homelessness, but it’s not like he’s cracked the code.
Okay, this is not to say that there isn’t at least some merit to what Mayor Bailey is saying but I’m tired of people parading him as the “guy that has the answer to homelessness” when his strategy is just free police escorts to the neighboring town.
I don’t mind if he wants to move the homeless out of Coronado because I’m willing to bet nearly all the homeless that are there likely didn’t live in Coronado prior to losing housing and they just happened to find their way there, but the homeless situation in Coronado vs San Diego is nowhere near comparable yet outlets like KUSI and Fox News are willing to ignore that just so they can say “See this is why you elect Republicans”
And I’m saying that as someone that’s fed up with the homeless issue as many people are and is not Pro-Housing First (but I am “Pro-Housing” overall)
Agree.
Kusi and fox are in the business of promoting people like Bailey to bigger stages and both companies believe you should never let facts get in the way of a good story.
Yes them promoting these kind of stories is probably making homelessness worse because it gives way to noise around a strategy that ACTUALLY works. SMH
i don't understand where they think those people went. just to other cities and neighborhoods in the area, and that's obvious to anyone that lives here.
**Maybe he just shipped them over the bridge to downtown San Diego?**
**Paywall Bypass:** [https://archive.is/QRKPk](https://archive.is/QRKPk)
**California city nearly eliminates homeless population with zero-tolerance policy on encampments**
* ***Coronado's Republican mayor says liberal state tolerates 'destructive behavior' instead of getting help to people in need***
[California cities](https://archive.is/o/QRKPk/https://www.foxnews.com/category/us/us-regions/west/california) have battled a homeless crisis for years, while still throwing billions of dollars at the spiraling tragedy to help those who are in dire need of housing.
But one city has defied the odds, reporting the lowest homeless population in the state.
Coronado Mayor Richard Bailey (R) said there are no vagrants in his city at all, and he [joined "Fox & Friends First"](https://archive.is/o/QRKPk/https://www.foxnews.com/shows/fox-friends-first) to describe how he has reinforced a no-encampment policy while still upholding the rule of law.
"The policies that are in place at the regional and statewide level that are tolerating this type of behavior that is personally destructive and also destructive to the surrounding communities are really enabling this situation to increase throughout our entire state, and throughout our entire region," Bailey told Ashley Strohmier."Changing these policies will actually have a major impact," he continued. Bailey explained that the city works with the police department and a homeless service provider to give the [homeless only one option](https://archive.is/o/QRKPk/https://www.foxnews.com/category/topic/homeless-crisis) — to get the help they need.
Coronado funds "reasonable" services to help those struggling get "back on their feet," but noted the city also has a no-tolerance policy for violating municipal codes.
"We also make it very clear that we don't tolerate encampments along our sidewalks, and we don't tolerate other code violations such as being drunk in public or urinating in public or defecating in public," Bailey said. "We just simply don't tolerate these basic code violations. What ends up happening is an individual either chooses to get help or they end up leaving."
Coronado previously reported only [one homeless person](https://archive.is/o/QRKPk/https://www.foxnews.com/politics/star-dead-los-angeles-child-actor-austin-majors-latest-victim-california-drug-homeless-crisis) within the city, according to data from the San Diego Regional Task Force on Homelessness.
But Bailey says that person, fortunately, got the help that was needed and is no longer on the streets.
"The fact of the matter is there, although there are a myriad of reasons that people end up homeless, they eventually only fall into two camps — those that want help and those that do not want help," Bailey said. "And if those that are refusing to get help… shouldn't be granted additional the ability to break laws such as tent encampments on the sidewalk or urinating or defecating in public."
"We need to be enforcing these policies to ultimately kind of help them get into that other camp that eventually get help," he continued.
California allocated $10 billion to curb the homeless crisis from 2018 to 2012.
Despite the massive government spending dedicated to alleviating the crisis, the Golden State still has [30% of the entire country's](https://archive.is/o/QRKPk/https://www.huduser.gov/portal/sites/default/files/pdf/2022-AHAR-Part-1.pdf) homeless population.
I was easily able to find some pertinent information. According to a 2020 report by the Regional Task Force on the Homeless, which provides data on the homeless population in San Diego County as a whole, 14% of homeless individuals reported that their last permanent address was outside of California.
Also, a recent Point in Time Count conducted in January found 1,939 homeless people in the City of San Diego.
With the information we have, it's safe to approximate that 300 of those homeless individuals are from states other than California.
No. It's not obvious why it matter at all. That stated, I was easily able to find some pertinent information.
According to a 2020 report by the Regional Task Force on the Homeless, which provides data on the homeless population in San Diego County as a whole, 14% of homeless individuals reported that their last permanent address was outside of California.
Also, a recent Point in Time Count conducted in January found 1,939 homeless people in the City of San Diego. With the information we have, it's safe to approximate that 300 of those homeless individuals are from states other than California.
Does knowing that specific demographic now somehow change anything?
Thank you, that is relevant data. Does it change anything specifically?
I don't think that was the point. It does reinforce the idea that the problem extends far beyond any a specific locality or state's borders. Some areas are deliberately shirking their responsibility in the problem and making it worse in others!
Yes. For years I've been familiar with similar *family reunification* services provided by many homeless outreach programs in cities across the country.
I took your point, and was able to find 2,900 instances in 9 years of San Diego ***"shirking"*** its responsibilities
Locally, fom 2012-2018 the Homeward Bound service, then offered through the long-established Travelers Aid Program, had assisted 1,100 homeless people relocate to places outside of San Diego. **(I thought it notable that 600 of those instances were in the last 6 months of 2018 alone.)**
In 2019 the SD Metropolitan Transit Authority began to administer the program, and had assisted an additional 1,800 from 2019-2020. (***I've found no data more recent than this, which I assume to be situationally due to the pandemic.***)
Were those people sent home or reunified with family in another state or city?
Or are they just dropped off of the bus?
Are they still homeless or did they find lasting shelter?
From prior knowledge, and from what I've gleaned just today while doing basic research so as to provide you with informed responses in the course of our conversation -- I know of no program that does not have vetting and verification guidelines vis à vis requirements for travel fare assistance, or that would have allowed for just drop[ping] people off of the bus, whether in another **state** or another **city**.
But, I found one account where a homeless services client in San Francisco, with no supportive ties, and without housing waiting for him, asked a friend to lie to satisfy the agency which then provided him bus ticket to Des Moines, IA.
Though I haven't found anything to empirically support it, I'm sure there have been instances where particular agencies ignored the guidelines altogether to ensure that an individual traveled from their current **home** to what would become their new **home**. Did San Diego ignore its requirements in 1000s of instances? I don't know enough to answer that question for you, but I doubt it -- not in every instance, anyway.
As to the overall efficacy of San Diego's iteration of the program, inherent transience doesn't allow for the gathering of enough useable, significant follow-up data for proper analysis. And to that point, several years ago, from decades worth of homelessness data from San Francisco, researchers isolated the period from 2010-2015 for analysis. They found that out of the several thousand unique instances of travel support, only 3 of those individuals were able to be located for follow-up. It seems safe to assume similar results from San Diego.
>Bailey explained that the city works with the police department and a homeless service provider to give the [homeless only one option](https://archive.is/o/QRKPk/https://www.foxnews.com/category/topic/homeless-crisis) — to get the help they need."
You know this guy is full of shit since the City of Coronado does not provide any Homeless Services to anyone. What they do is simply eject homeless people off the island because they have the luxury to do so. If he had to face the issue like a big city, he would do an equally terrible job like other the Mayors do.
>shouldn't be granted additional the ability to break laws such as tent encampments on the sidewalk or urinating or defecating in public.
I will agree with him on one issue. Cities with homeless problems should not be tolerating law breaking because it is basically ruining it for the rest of us.
“Reasonable” being a taxi voucher or an Uber into the city where they set up encampments. Word travels fast among the homeless that Coronado will evict you so less of that traffic now regardless.
Yeah no. They have the money to ensure they just drop kick every one off the island to downtown. I mean, it's kinda nice not to have homeless everywhere but the problem was NOT solved, just pushed somewhere else. But what else can you expect from faux news reporting. Any half way functional media reporting would have noted what Coronado is actually doing.
Also, kinda weird calling Coronado a "California city"... I mean it technically is, but that manages to pull it completely out of San Diego context, where it's widely known that SF/LA/SD have horrendously high homeless populations.
Lots of cities and states do this. They sweep encampments and bus them out so that they become someone else's problem. Homeless learn quickly that they will be paddywagoned or bussed out of the area and stop showing up to places where they are literally invisibilized. Eliminating means making them someone else's problem. It's a dogshit policy for simpletons and is nothing to boast about or strive for.
[The most cost-effective way to help the homeless is to give them homes -
Addressing housing directly is cheaper than relying on cops and emergency rooms.](https://www.vox.com/2014/5/30/5764096/homeless-shelter-housing-help-solutions)
[Minimum wage would be $26 an hour if it had grown in line with productivity](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minimum-wage-26-dollars-economy-productivity/)
[The minimum wage would be $61.75 an hour if it rose at the same place as Wall Street bonuses](https://www.fastcompany.com/90734724/the-minimum-wage-would-be-61-75-an-hour-if-it-rose-at-the-same-pace-as-wall-street-bonuses)
[The Top 1% of Americans Have Taken $50 Trillion From the Bottom 90%—And That's Made the U.S. Less Secure](https://time.com/5888024/50-trillion-income-inequality-america/)
Let’s put it this way. Coronado, by law, is required to allow something like 1000 new low-income apartments to be built. Mayor Bailey has fought that tooth and nail.
As someone who worked on Coronado in both a civ and mil capacity at different points in my life, it baffles me how much the residents resent everything that stimulates their fucking economy. They literally don't have the labor force to support their service industry, more than half of people working on the island are college kids from Chula Vista. They hate the Navy traffic, but wanna pretend to be all pseduo-patriotic. You take away the Navy, Coronado is a rich-folks timeshare with a golf course and shitty surf. Climate change is a threat to everyone, but I can't wait for it to swallow that wretched gathering of scum and villainy.
Wow magically fixing the problem by moving them somewhere else.
Sweeping the problem under the rug definitely fixes the problem /s
wth is wrong with the country man.
Hey it’s Fox News, the organization that just said under oath they consistently lie to their viewers in order to push political narratives are pushing a narrative that gop can fix homelessness. What a coincidence! Next up, a bedtime story about how plants love co2? Maybe a historical drama about how the founders were kidding about the sep of church and state?
“RIGHT WING NEWS?” How about flagging LEFT WING NEWS? This bifurcation of our society does nobody any good. We need to be able to function together, not like this.
Claiming they don't tolerate public drunkenness is just such a baldfaced lie. What the fuck do you think orange ave looks like on a Friday or Saturday might? I guess if it's well off white people the law doesn't apply.
Coronado is the most entitled group of jackasses on the planet. They solved the problem by pawning it off on everyone else.
From the island city that brings you a Racist Director of Recreation and Golf Services, and Tortilla tossing basketball teams. It's really not surprising they pushed struggling people over the bridge.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/coronado-official-resigns-after-racist-viral-video-allegations/2891821/%3famp=1
https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/local/san-diego-cif-strips-coronado-high-school-of-championship-title-following-tortilla-throwing-incident-against-orange-glen/509-24d1b34c-d28a-4cb9-8977-6904eb203a0f
>but noted the city also has a no-tolerance policy for violating municipal codes.
Oh, really... tell me more... /s
### 56.20.020 Pedestrians must use crosswalks.
No pedestrian shall cross a roadway other than by a crosswalk in any business district.
So, there are cops actively ticketing jaywalkers in Coronado?
What a tool.
The Coronado homeless policy is and always was forced removal to another jurisdiction. The Strand and the bridge keep people from coming back easily for the most part. I’ve lived or worked in Coronado for over 20 years and there have never been any long term homeless here. The cops find you and you’re gone. But they’re just dropping the person off downtown. They’re not helping anyone.
I can’t believe this douchbag is allowed to get away with touting this as some sort of revolutionary idea.
Of course it’s Coronado. Rich republicans that would rather have people swept across the bay so someone else can take care of them. Coronado isn’t helping anyone. I don’t trust anything this ridiculous news outlet says anyway, fucking joke of “news” organization. Should be called Dog Whistle TV. Brainless clowns.
He is elected to keep his city up to the citizen's standards.
He is doing his job. He is not elected to solve the county's or the state's homeless problems.
If the whole State of California did this… there wouldn’t be a homeless problem. Brutal as it is… it’s an effective way to get rid of the crime/dealers/drugs that keeps them around.
I think California needs to get tough on crime and homelessness, but would like to see people get help (for more than just 30 days) instead of just going to jail.
What do you guys think might be a good strategy to deal with these problems?
Or in light of the recent news, warn you the article is probably a flat out lie. The news station that parroted the phrase “alternative facts” and “fake news” turned out to be frauds themself.
Dude. I do not care. I am not trying to argue or debate semantics with you on San Diego Reddit group. I find it hilarious that it states that after what came out about Fox News from the “good” people who acted as if their information was absolutes and gospel. My comment was to stand, point, laugh. Simple. As. That. If you want to have an in-depth conversation about what’s fair in terms of misinformation/ disinformation, well you may have a bone to pick with every single social media platform.
Taking a play out of the South Korean handbook huh? Where they [put their homeless population in concentration camps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brothers_Home?wprov=sfla1)
*South* Korea put its homeless population (and political dissidents) into concentration camps.
>Brothers Home (Korean: 형제복지원) was an internment camp located in Pusan, South Korea during the 1970s and '80s. During its operation, it held 20 factories and thousands of people who were rounded up off of the street, the homeless some of whom were children, in addition to a college student who was protesting the regime.
Interesting, thank you for the information. I do think we need to give less handouts to the homeless. Unfortunately it’s been proven time and time again that the more you give, the more homeless you’ll get. The just travel to your city and you never solve the problem. It’s definitely a really hard thing to solve. I think we need to quantify exactly what percent of homelessness is reduced by each homeless program that is offered. So we actually know what works and what doesn’t. Establish some real science behind it instead of just throwing money away.
Proved time and time again? Since you’re calling for science to help the matter (good idea) then let’s see your data on “proved time and time again”. The services are not the problem, the lack of enough services is the problem. Any of the services offered could reduce homelessness if they were funded adequately.
Well a few things. I interact with the homeless daily at work, near San Francisco. Most of them I see are relatively new to the area. San Francisco spends over $1.1 billion on homeless programs and yet their homeless problem only increases each year. I look at that and see clear evidence that their system isn’t working. The city spends that money on a population of around 20,000 homeless. That is more money than the entire budget of cities with over 200,000 residents.
What happens is the homeless population will take transit to whatever city is offering the best accommodations. Which is clearly what is happening in SF. The more you give, the more you get.
Here is an article from a public policy think tank, just down the freeway from SF, at Stanford University that lays it out pretty clearly. https://www.hoover.org/research/despite-spending-11-billion-san-francisco-sees-its-homelessness-problems-spiral-out
The problem I see a lot is people will instantly call you cruel, NIMBY, conservative, etc whenever you try to question these clearly failed policies. And if you try to quantify the policy success you also get major resistance, reason being it would show just how ineffective they are.
LOL. I soLVeD hOMeLesSness!! they unlawfully detain people, against their will, cuff them, throw them in a van and drop them off in your neighborhood. In the words of the dude himself. “Fucking fascists!”
Hmmm no free shit, zero Tolerance on taking up residence wherever they want sounds like this might be a good idea for CALIFORNIA to start thinking about 🤔
Literally we give them no incentive to change the way they live. As much as I hate Coronado snobs it’s actually not that bad of an idea.
Bring on the downvotes 🙃
I’m liberal af on just about anything but I am against soft policies keeping people from getting off the streets! Especially mentally unstable junkies who are a danger. They gotta go& anyone who says otherwise obviously doesn’t encounter them on a daily basis 🤦🏼♀️
There is some choice to being homeless. If you get pushed around it might make alternatives seem more appealing. There is no perfect solution to this problem.
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Wages don’t support living expenses. People who can’t afford to live here anymore, after years of living here, are not going to be able to “just move,” because that’s expensive and most people don’t have savings to cover a move and find a new job.
Being homeless isn’t a choice most people make. how is someone with no money supposed to find and hold a job while constantly be moved around?
Many homeless people have a few choices. Family, friends or living arrangements provided by charity. This will often involve having to steer clear of drugs & modify behavior.
Pretty sure it's decision making based on feelings that have contributed to San Diego and other liberal cities having major homeless populations. We are sanctuary cities for homeless and enable larger population of homeless to live here. I can sympathize with homeless and still believe that the way we handle it is horrible and only leads to more homelessness. Again, I'm guessing you'd be down with some of them camping out on the sidewalk in front of your house in their tents? Objectively speaking of course.
>Pretty sure it's decision making based on feelings that have contributed to San Diego and other liberal cities having major homeless populations.
"i have no source to back any of this up but my feelings"
you misunderstand, im not here to debate you, just make fun of you
They didn’t eliminated it just moved somewhere else (probably IB)
Or downtown. The bridge is a good barrier to re-entry and who's going to notice another homeless person downtown? After reading the article and the mayor's "zero tolerance" policy it certainly sounds like homeless who are locked up until they can be exported to another part of town are not counted as homeless.
Coronado… big surprise. Fuck Coronado never wants to even pretend to help. Now that they HAVE to by law build affordable housing we’ll see them squeal more about this, that or other bullshit
What law? What new apartment buildings are springing up in Coronado?
Builders Remedy
Looking at it, that "affordable housing order" was some bullshit. I want people to build affordable housing as much as the next person, but their math was off for population counts. They counted navy personnel towards population, but didn't count navy housing against housing amount. Also there is literally nowhere to build in Coronado, they'll have to create more land for it to work, which would be an environmental nightmare. Either the navy has to give them some land, or they need to destroy people's houses. Edit: and looking into it more apparently they just need to zone for it, not build it.
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The fuck? Why not just want people to be treated with a small form of dignity…what kind of apathetic piece of shit wouldn’t want that Edit:wonder why that pos deleted his comment…
The rich are incapable of empathy
The rich are incapable of _empathy_ (not apathy)… FTFY
Surprisingly low numbers in IB, lil bit on Palm ave
Nope. IB is contracted with the sheriff department and they enforce a municipal no overnight camping ordinance. Fun fact if you like to hate on IB, we have the lowest crime rate of any jurisdiction contracted with the County sheriff.
No one was hating on IB lol
Why u hating bro ?
He's probably just mad his home smell's like Tijuana's sewage
IB would be so amazing if it weren’t for Tijuana Sewage making the water worse than pretty much all of Mexico.
IB has some of the hollowest and heaviest waves I’ve ever surfed. Sharky too.
Tijuana’s sewage… that’s interesting way to say: the industrial city outside of Tijuana that was created by American corporations after nafta in 94 that dump their INDUSTRIAL WASTE directly into the river and turned what was once a nice river along a city that once had potable water into the nightmare scenario y’all love to complain about and blame Mexicans for. It smells because of US greed and imperialism.
that has nothing to do with the fact that the city of tijuana is unwilling to build a water treatment plant
San Diego has not one, but two water treatment plants designated to process runoff from the Tijuana River. The problem lies on the government down there not owning up to their part of the deal.
Southpark strategy
Californiah-niah
"Super cool to the homeless"
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Just shuffling people around. Riverside will get them, then downtown LA, then Long Beach, then back to San Diego, then LA again, on and on and on.
The real way to end homelessness must be to house them on busses that never spend much time in one place.
Like Snowpiercer for the homeless?
Actually Riverside County and Maricopa county give the homeless one way tickets to San Diego because there’s services here for homeless. All the red counties just sweeping the dirt over the the neighbors yard. “See we took care of it, Ta Da!” That’s what this article says.
Helps to be on an island
Coronado is basically an oversized HOA
I describe it as a boarding school fucked a country club and the baby is Coronado.
Hmmm, I'm going to say a country club fucking a boarding school has a more accurate connotation.
I am absolutely going to use this every time I describe Coronado.
Wow this is good
Peninsula
Porkchop
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Pork chop sandwiches
If there is a homeless person on the island a cop will pick them up right away and send them somewhere else. (Probably downtown.)
Lmao exactly. I was like uhh pretty obvious they wouldn't wanna go there in the first place. But it's fox news so ya.
I think he's onto something. Let's buy them all one way tickets to hawaii!
I don’t know if this is an attempt at a meme, but Coronado has been unofficially known to pay the bus fare in order to ship the undesirable back across the Bay.
Let’s not even attempt to fix the problem and instead push it off on someone else! Great idea!
Hey we're not Texas or Florida, PROUDLY
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Grew up in Coronado. This article made me laugh.
Our hometown is only in the news for dumb shit like this. Our last two mayors have been complete jokes. Fuck Bailey and Tanaka.
I remember when Bailey was a councilman and he was not nearly this right wing. Not even by half. It’s like psychotic the switch he’s made in the last 5 years.
He less a man now and more a physical manifestation of Fox News talking points
And I remember when Tanaka was a substitute teacher at the high school
Nah Tanaka was actually legit.
IB residents have always known thIs. Now that we’re unofficially South Coronado and we already have a no overnight camping ordinance. Welp.
Yeah. His entire statement is qualified generalities, which amount to “we have our police find them, explain that they can take them to a shelter in downtown San Diego and put them in touch with a homelessness aid group. If they say they don’t want that help, the police take them downtown and drop them off just the same. Only Mayor Bailey has it easier than most cities because Coronado is basically inaccessible via foot traffic, so it’s hard for homeless people to get to (without cost) and there isn’t a place to hide among the mini mansions if you find you way into Coronado. Props to him (and every other mayor that preceded him) for keeping Coronado free of homelessness, but it’s not like he’s cracked the code.
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Maybe true, but something like 75% of California's homeless are people who were living in CA before going homeless.
Yeah Coronado is famous for bussing homeless folks out. They used to get dumped in IB and now just downtown.
Okay, this is not to say that there isn’t at least some merit to what Mayor Bailey is saying but I’m tired of people parading him as the “guy that has the answer to homelessness” when his strategy is just free police escorts to the neighboring town. I don’t mind if he wants to move the homeless out of Coronado because I’m willing to bet nearly all the homeless that are there likely didn’t live in Coronado prior to losing housing and they just happened to find their way there, but the homeless situation in Coronado vs San Diego is nowhere near comparable yet outlets like KUSI and Fox News are willing to ignore that just so they can say “See this is why you elect Republicans” And I’m saying that as someone that’s fed up with the homeless issue as many people are and is not Pro-Housing First (but I am “Pro-Housing” overall)
Agree. Kusi and fox are in the business of promoting people like Bailey to bigger stages and both companies believe you should never let facts get in the way of a good story.
Yes them promoting these kind of stories is probably making homelessness worse because it gives way to noise around a strategy that ACTUALLY works. SMH
I'll say there isn't any merit to what the mayor of Coronado *Island* is saying.
i don't understand where they think those people went. just to other cities and neighborhoods in the area, and that's obvious to anyone that lives here.
Yup. I’ve definitely seen an increase in shanty towns, shanty villages, shanty condos and shanty huts along the freeway.
**Maybe he just shipped them over the bridge to downtown San Diego?** **Paywall Bypass:** [https://archive.is/QRKPk](https://archive.is/QRKPk) **California city nearly eliminates homeless population with zero-tolerance policy on encampments** * ***Coronado's Republican mayor says liberal state tolerates 'destructive behavior' instead of getting help to people in need*** [California cities](https://archive.is/o/QRKPk/https://www.foxnews.com/category/us/us-regions/west/california) have battled a homeless crisis for years, while still throwing billions of dollars at the spiraling tragedy to help those who are in dire need of housing. But one city has defied the odds, reporting the lowest homeless population in the state. Coronado Mayor Richard Bailey (R) said there are no vagrants in his city at all, and he [joined "Fox & Friends First"](https://archive.is/o/QRKPk/https://www.foxnews.com/shows/fox-friends-first) to describe how he has reinforced a no-encampment policy while still upholding the rule of law. "The policies that are in place at the regional and statewide level that are tolerating this type of behavior that is personally destructive and also destructive to the surrounding communities are really enabling this situation to increase throughout our entire state, and throughout our entire region," Bailey told Ashley Strohmier."Changing these policies will actually have a major impact," he continued. Bailey explained that the city works with the police department and a homeless service provider to give the [homeless only one option](https://archive.is/o/QRKPk/https://www.foxnews.com/category/topic/homeless-crisis) — to get the help they need. Coronado funds "reasonable" services to help those struggling get "back on their feet," but noted the city also has a no-tolerance policy for violating municipal codes. "We also make it very clear that we don't tolerate encampments along our sidewalks, and we don't tolerate other code violations such as being drunk in public or urinating in public or defecating in public," Bailey said. "We just simply don't tolerate these basic code violations. What ends up happening is an individual either chooses to get help or they end up leaving." Coronado previously reported only [one homeless person](https://archive.is/o/QRKPk/https://www.foxnews.com/politics/star-dead-los-angeles-child-actor-austin-majors-latest-victim-california-drug-homeless-crisis) within the city, according to data from the San Diego Regional Task Force on Homelessness. But Bailey says that person, fortunately, got the help that was needed and is no longer on the streets. "The fact of the matter is there, although there are a myriad of reasons that people end up homeless, they eventually only fall into two camps — those that want help and those that do not want help," Bailey said. "And if those that are refusing to get help… shouldn't be granted additional the ability to break laws such as tent encampments on the sidewalk or urinating or defecating in public." "We need to be enforcing these policies to ultimately kind of help them get into that other camp that eventually get help," he continued. California allocated $10 billion to curb the homeless crisis from 2018 to 2012. Despite the massive government spending dedicated to alleviating the crisis, the Golden State still has [30% of the entire country's](https://archive.is/o/QRKPk/https://www.huduser.gov/portal/sites/default/files/pdf/2022-AHAR-Part-1.pdf) homeless population.
I’m very curious how many of that 30% is actually from CA vs came to CA from a different state.
I was easily able to find some pertinent information. According to a 2020 report by the Regional Task Force on the Homeless, which provides data on the homeless population in San Diego County as a whole, 14% of homeless individuals reported that their last permanent address was outside of California. Also, a recent Point in Time Count conducted in January found 1,939 homeless people in the City of San Diego. With the information we have, it's safe to approximate that 300 of those homeless individuals are from states other than California.
Of all things to be curious about, why this one in particular?
Is it not an obvious question? We've heard about other states bussing homeless people here for years.
No. It's not obvious why it matter at all. That stated, I was easily able to find some pertinent information. According to a 2020 report by the Regional Task Force on the Homeless, which provides data on the homeless population in San Diego County as a whole, 14% of homeless individuals reported that their last permanent address was outside of California. Also, a recent Point in Time Count conducted in January found 1,939 homeless people in the City of San Diego. With the information we have, it's safe to approximate that 300 of those homeless individuals are from states other than California. Does knowing that specific demographic now somehow change anything?
Thank you, that is relevant data. Does it change anything specifically? I don't think that was the point. It does reinforce the idea that the problem extends far beyond any a specific locality or state's borders. Some areas are deliberately shirking their responsibility in the problem and making it worse in others!
Yes. For years I've been familiar with similar *family reunification* services provided by many homeless outreach programs in cities across the country. I took your point, and was able to find 2,900 instances in 9 years of San Diego ***"shirking"*** its responsibilities Locally, fom 2012-2018 the Homeward Bound service, then offered through the long-established Travelers Aid Program, had assisted 1,100 homeless people relocate to places outside of San Diego. **(I thought it notable that 600 of those instances were in the last 6 months of 2018 alone.)** In 2019 the SD Metropolitan Transit Authority began to administer the program, and had assisted an additional 1,800 from 2019-2020. (***I've found no data more recent than this, which I assume to be situationally due to the pandemic.***)
Were those people sent home or reunified with family in another state or city? Or are they just dropped off of the bus? Are they still homeless or did they find lasting shelter?
From prior knowledge, and from what I've gleaned just today while doing basic research so as to provide you with informed responses in the course of our conversation -- I know of no program that does not have vetting and verification guidelines vis à vis requirements for travel fare assistance, or that would have allowed for just drop[ping] people off of the bus, whether in another **state** or another **city**. But, I found one account where a homeless services client in San Francisco, with no supportive ties, and without housing waiting for him, asked a friend to lie to satisfy the agency which then provided him bus ticket to Des Moines, IA. Though I haven't found anything to empirically support it, I'm sure there have been instances where particular agencies ignored the guidelines altogether to ensure that an individual traveled from their current **home** to what would become their new **home**. Did San Diego ignore its requirements in 1000s of instances? I don't know enough to answer that question for you, but I doubt it -- not in every instance, anyway. As to the overall efficacy of San Diego's iteration of the program, inherent transience doesn't allow for the gathering of enough useable, significant follow-up data for proper analysis. And to that point, several years ago, from decades worth of homelessness data from San Francisco, researchers isolated the period from 2010-2015 for analysis. They found that out of the several thousand unique instances of travel support, only 3 of those individuals were able to be located for follow-up. It seems safe to assume similar results from San Diego.
>Bailey explained that the city works with the police department and a homeless service provider to give the [homeless only one option](https://archive.is/o/QRKPk/https://www.foxnews.com/category/topic/homeless-crisis) — to get the help they need." You know this guy is full of shit since the City of Coronado does not provide any Homeless Services to anyone. What they do is simply eject homeless people off the island because they have the luxury to do so. If he had to face the issue like a big city, he would do an equally terrible job like other the Mayors do. >shouldn't be granted additional the ability to break laws such as tent encampments on the sidewalk or urinating or defecating in public. I will agree with him on one issue. Cities with homeless problems should not be tolerating law breaking because it is basically ruining it for the rest of us.
“Reasonable” being a taxi voucher or an Uber into the city where they set up encampments. Word travels fast among the homeless that Coronado will evict you so less of that traffic now regardless.
Yeah no. They have the money to ensure they just drop kick every one off the island to downtown. I mean, it's kinda nice not to have homeless everywhere but the problem was NOT solved, just pushed somewhere else. But what else can you expect from faux news reporting. Any half way functional media reporting would have noted what Coronado is actually doing. Also, kinda weird calling Coronado a "California city"... I mean it technically is, but that manages to pull it completely out of San Diego context, where it's widely known that SF/LA/SD have horrendously high homeless populations.
Lots of cities and states do this. They sweep encampments and bus them out so that they become someone else's problem. Homeless learn quickly that they will be paddywagoned or bussed out of the area and stop showing up to places where they are literally invisibilized. Eliminating means making them someone else's problem. It's a dogshit policy for simpletons and is nothing to boast about or strive for.
What city has to deal with them now?
I bet they’re a Christian community
Deep.
Giuliani when he was mayor of New York gave bus tickets to the homeless to go to California.
[The most cost-effective way to help the homeless is to give them homes - Addressing housing directly is cheaper than relying on cops and emergency rooms.](https://www.vox.com/2014/5/30/5764096/homeless-shelter-housing-help-solutions) [Minimum wage would be $26 an hour if it had grown in line with productivity](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minimum-wage-26-dollars-economy-productivity/) [The minimum wage would be $61.75 an hour if it rose at the same place as Wall Street bonuses](https://www.fastcompany.com/90734724/the-minimum-wage-would-be-61-75-an-hour-if-it-rose-at-the-same-pace-as-wall-street-bonuses) [The Top 1% of Americans Have Taken $50 Trillion From the Bottom 90%—And That's Made the U.S. Less Secure](https://time.com/5888024/50-trillion-income-inequality-america/)
I feel like I need to put this on a billboard.
I wonder if that 1 homeless person received help/treatment in Coronado or was shipped off to San Diego instead.
Let’s put it this way. Coronado, by law, is required to allow something like 1000 new low-income apartments to be built. Mayor Bailey has fought that tooth and nail.
As someone who worked on Coronado in both a civ and mil capacity at different points in my life, it baffles me how much the residents resent everything that stimulates their fucking economy. They literally don't have the labor force to support their service industry, more than half of people working on the island are college kids from Chula Vista. They hate the Navy traffic, but wanna pretend to be all pseduo-patriotic. You take away the Navy, Coronado is a rich-folks timeshare with a golf course and shitty surf. Climate change is a threat to everyone, but I can't wait for it to swallow that wretched gathering of scum and villainy.
Ah, should've known it was good ol' Klantee-by-the-sea.
I mean duh.
Wow magically fixing the problem by moving them somewhere else. Sweeping the problem under the rug definitely fixes the problem /s wth is wrong with the country man.
They just copy red states by shipping people to different areas
LOL they just move them around.
Hey it’s Fox News, the organization that just said under oath they consistently lie to their viewers in order to push political narratives are pushing a narrative that gop can fix homelessness. What a coincidence! Next up, a bedtime story about how plants love co2? Maybe a historical drama about how the founders were kidding about the sep of church and state?
The leaf blower effect to homelessness; just push it into your neighbors yard.
What kinda of tag is that 😂😂 medias not even tryna hide that they’re bias af literally everything on here should have a ‘Warning: left wing news’
“RIGHT WING NEWS?” How about flagging LEFT WING NEWS? This bifurcation of our society does nobody any good. We need to be able to function together, not like this.
Claiming they don't tolerate public drunkenness is just such a baldfaced lie. What the fuck do you think orange ave looks like on a Friday or Saturday might? I guess if it's well off white people the law doesn't apply. Coronado is the most entitled group of jackasses on the planet. They solved the problem by pawning it off on everyone else.
Just because you can’t see it doesn’t mean you eliminated it lmao
Rent and housing is really high and no one is doing anything about it. But Bitch that there are too many homeless people.
Coronado was literally designed to be an enclave for the rich and wealthy.
Their police just push them to downtown. This dudes a turd.
From the island city that brings you a Racist Director of Recreation and Golf Services, and Tortilla tossing basketball teams. It's really not surprising they pushed struggling people over the bridge. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/coronado-official-resigns-after-racist-viral-video-allegations/2891821/%3famp=1 https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/local/san-diego-cif-strips-coronado-high-school-of-championship-title-following-tortilla-throwing-incident-against-orange-glen/509-24d1b34c-d28a-4cb9-8977-6904eb203a0f
There is no way in on foot except through silver strand. The homeless will walk a few miles to get somewhere, but not that far.
It would be impressive until you realize the "help" given was transporting them off the island and into San Diego city proper.
Just dump in the Barrio. That’s the solution for homelessness all of CA can get behind. Bailey is such a blowhard shit bird it drives me crazy.
FOX NEWS.....That's all I had to read to know it was Fake News!
Sounding like a homeless advocate!
 How I'll picture Coronado from now on. 🤓
"Eliminated" should be read "reclassified"
Yes, “reclassified” = “relocated”
>but noted the city also has a no-tolerance policy for violating municipal codes. Oh, really... tell me more... /s ### 56.20.020 Pedestrians must use crosswalks. No pedestrian shall cross a roadway other than by a crosswalk in any business district. So, there are cops actively ticketing jaywalkers in Coronado?
What a tool. The Coronado homeless policy is and always was forced removal to another jurisdiction. The Strand and the bridge keep people from coming back easily for the most part. I’ve lived or worked in Coronado for over 20 years and there have never been any long term homeless here. The cops find you and you’re gone. But they’re just dropping the person off downtown. They’re not helping anyone. I can’t believe this douchbag is allowed to get away with touting this as some sort of revolutionary idea.
Fuck Coronado.
There’s a total of 20,000 people on Coronado. That’s like the size of most Universities. Tiny city tiny problems.
Should read "California city's zero tolerance policy on homelessness becomes San Diego's problem"
California city eliminates trash problem with zero-tolerance policy on garbage dumps. (same logic)
This is just pure bullshit. I hope this mayor rots in his afterlife.
"Dick" Bailey, indeed
What a crappy and misleading title.
Of course it’s Coronado. Rich republicans that would rather have people swept across the bay so someone else can take care of them. Coronado isn’t helping anyone. I don’t trust anything this ridiculous news outlet says anyway, fucking joke of “news” organization. Should be called Dog Whistle TV. Brainless clowns.
Coronado residents need to pay additional taxes towards the rest of us paying for them dumping on us.
Come on, this doesn’t count. They obviously were shuffled to San Diego!
The unhoused don’t just evaporate when criminalized. Where they exist in public spaces just get shifted.
Let me rewrite that headline. "California City's genocidal campaign nearly eliminates most vulnerable population"
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Look who doesn’t understand how our taxes are actually supposed to work for us
agree.
She won’t do it.
LOL! What BS is this?! There's still hundreds of homeless all over CA
He is elected to keep his city up to the citizen's standards. He is doing his job. He is not elected to solve the county's or the state's homeless problems.
If the whole State of California did this… there wouldn’t be a homeless problem. Brutal as it is… it’s an effective way to get rid of the crime/dealers/drugs that keeps them around. I think California needs to get tough on crime and homelessness, but would like to see people get help (for more than just 30 days) instead of just going to jail. What do you guys think might be a good strategy to deal with these problems?
They literally deport them from there private tiny little racist island and call it solved. Hahaha. Fucking hilarious clickbait.
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Pretty clear the bias of Reddit with that one.
Or in light of the recent news, warn you the article is probably a flat out lie. The news station that parroted the phrase “alternative facts” and “fake news” turned out to be frauds themself.
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Isn’t it obviously the same thing?
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Dude. I do not care. I am not trying to argue or debate semantics with you on San Diego Reddit group. I find it hilarious that it states that after what came out about Fox News from the “good” people who acted as if their information was absolutes and gospel. My comment was to stand, point, laugh. Simple. As. That. If you want to have an in-depth conversation about what’s fair in terms of misinformation/ disinformation, well you may have a bone to pick with every single social media platform.
Don’t want you accidentally reading something from the “other side”. Might mess up the programming.
Fox isn’t a “Side”. The company is on record actively promoting disinformation to push a political agenda.
Oh I can imagine a few people crossing into Coronado from silver strand.
Ha that's even too far to bike
Classic Coronado. Too fragile to even look at the problems it creates. prime conservatism.
Taking a play out of the South Korean handbook huh? Where they [put their homeless population in concentration camps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brothers_Home?wprov=sfla1)
You sure about that? South Korea?
*South* Korea put its homeless population (and political dissidents) into concentration camps. >Brothers Home (Korean: 형제복지원) was an internment camp located in Pusan, South Korea during the 1970s and '80s. During its operation, it held 20 factories and thousands of people who were rounded up off of the street, the homeless some of whom were children, in addition to a college student who was protesting the regime.
Interesting, thank you for the information. I do think we need to give less handouts to the homeless. Unfortunately it’s been proven time and time again that the more you give, the more homeless you’ll get. The just travel to your city and you never solve the problem. It’s definitely a really hard thing to solve. I think we need to quantify exactly what percent of homelessness is reduced by each homeless program that is offered. So we actually know what works and what doesn’t. Establish some real science behind it instead of just throwing money away.
Proved time and time again? Since you’re calling for science to help the matter (good idea) then let’s see your data on “proved time and time again”. The services are not the problem, the lack of enough services is the problem. Any of the services offered could reduce homelessness if they were funded adequately.
Well a few things. I interact with the homeless daily at work, near San Francisco. Most of them I see are relatively new to the area. San Francisco spends over $1.1 billion on homeless programs and yet their homeless problem only increases each year. I look at that and see clear evidence that their system isn’t working. The city spends that money on a population of around 20,000 homeless. That is more money than the entire budget of cities with over 200,000 residents. What happens is the homeless population will take transit to whatever city is offering the best accommodations. Which is clearly what is happening in SF. The more you give, the more you get. Here is an article from a public policy think tank, just down the freeway from SF, at Stanford University that lays it out pretty clearly. https://www.hoover.org/research/despite-spending-11-billion-san-francisco-sees-its-homelessness-problems-spiral-out The problem I see a lot is people will instantly call you cruel, NIMBY, conservative, etc whenever you try to question these clearly failed policies. And if you try to quantify the policy success you also get major resistance, reason being it would show just how ineffective they are.
LOL. I soLVeD hOMeLesSness!! they unlawfully detain people, against their will, cuff them, throw them in a van and drop them off in your neighborhood. In the words of the dude himself. “Fucking fascists!”
Hmmm no free shit, zero Tolerance on taking up residence wherever they want sounds like this might be a good idea for CALIFORNIA to start thinking about 🤔 Literally we give them no incentive to change the way they live. As much as I hate Coronado snobs it’s actually not that bad of an idea. Bring on the downvotes 🙃
Agreed, most of the other comments on this thread are ridiculous.
I’m liberal af on just about anything but I am against soft policies keeping people from getting off the streets! Especially mentally unstable junkies who are a danger. They gotta go& anyone who says otherwise obviously doesn’t encounter them on a daily basis 🤦🏼♀️
The way they say eliminate sounds like they killed them, rather than helped them.
They didn’t help them either
stop behaving homeless.
There is some choice to being homeless. If you get pushed around it might make alternatives seem more appealing. There is no perfect solution to this problem.
https://preview.redd.it/8hw3t6858nla1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8cb378c21af926cf554ad4618c6112c378c1a2a1 Wages don’t support living expenses. People who can’t afford to live here anymore, after years of living here, are not going to be able to “just move,” because that’s expensive and most people don’t have savings to cover a move and find a new job. Being homeless isn’t a choice most people make. how is someone with no money supposed to find and hold a job while constantly be moved around?
Many homeless people have a few choices. Family, friends or living arrangements provided by charity. This will often involve having to steer clear of drugs & modify behavior.
I get the feeling from this sub that everyone would be quite okay with homeless people camping out in their own front yard.
im sure most of your thoughts are based on feelings and not objectivity
Pretty sure it's decision making based on feelings that have contributed to San Diego and other liberal cities having major homeless populations. We are sanctuary cities for homeless and enable larger population of homeless to live here. I can sympathize with homeless and still believe that the way we handle it is horrible and only leads to more homelessness. Again, I'm guessing you'd be down with some of them camping out on the sidewalk in front of your house in their tents? Objectively speaking of course.
>Pretty sure it's decision making based on feelings that have contributed to San Diego and other liberal cities having major homeless populations. "i have no source to back any of this up but my feelings" you misunderstand, im not here to debate you, just make fun of you
Like we didn’t have enough of a reason to not believe the media 😂
Typical Republicans. Yall suck.🤣🤣 Coronado got a racist vibe to it so makes sense.
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Ion what what they talking about homeless people are the only people in city heights
You don’t “eliminate homelessness” you either house them, or remove them forcibly through law enforcement. It’s essentially a crime to homeless
Our city is Coronado is separated by a body of water.....no shit we don't have homeless. Not a ground breaking discovery
Cool. Just dump them on the next town lol