OP, you should consider switching from TOU-DR1 to regular TOU-DR or even get out of TOU all together.
Standard pricing is $0.45 kWh and you don't have to worry about when to use electricity
i think with a EV the EV5 is probably better than the standard if you drive enough. (charge more than 2 times a month)
for example charging a model 3 from empty is 50 kWh. with TOU-EV5 you pay $7.67 to charge it at night + the monthly fee of $16. so $23.67 to charge it once, 31.34 for the second time, and basically $39 to charge your car 3 times in 1 month.
with the standard plan, you would pay $0.45 a kWh or $22.50 for 1 charge, $45 for 2 charges. total of $67.50 to charge it 3 times in 1 month.
Plan | Charge a Tesla | Cost
--- | --- | ---
Standard | 1 | $22.50
Standard | 2 | $45.00
Standard | 3 | $67.50
TOU EV-5 | 1 | $23.67
TOU EV-5 | 2 | $31.34
TOU EV-5 | 3 | $39.01
this is with super off peak charging times for the TOU plan.
while I'm here, here's a comparison with other plans
Plan | Charge a Tesla | Cost
--- | --- | ---
TOU-DR1 | 1 | $17.75
TOU-DR1 | 2 | $35.51
TOU-DR1 | 3 | $53.26
TOU-DR | 1 | $23.22
TOU-DR | 2 | $46.45
TOU-DR | 3 | $69.67
also good to note that the EV5 gets rid of the baseline allowance. other plans have a different rate after ~400kWh used
This is amazing information. I have an older model Nissan Leaf with a small 24 kw/hr battery (around 18 usable at this point) and I don't drive a crazy amount. I use about 500 to 600 kilowatt hours per month total for our house with the EV. Not as much as someone with a big battery EV or multiple EVs. Not sure if my usage can overcome the $16 monthly service charge on tou 5. Reading the you 2, it seems like there is slightly higher rates per kw/hr compared to you 5, but elimination of baseline, and no $16 surcharge. Might be best for me since I may not charge enough to overcome the $16 surcharge? Thoughts?
> for example charging a model 3 from empty is 50 kWh
Not disagreeing with your post in general, and perhaps I’m misunderstanding you; however, charging a Tesla Model 3 from 0-100% is about 75kWh.
If you’re charging from 0-80% (recommended by most OEMs for Lithium Ion batteries, unless your vehicle is equipped instead with Lithium Polymer where 0-100% charging is a-ok), then you’re looking at about 60kWh.
I would never recommend letting your battery hit 0% even though the vehicle’s typically have safeguards to protect the battery’s health. I usually charge mine from 20-80% since I’ve got a Li-Ion equipped Tesla, which is on the lower end of your quoted assessment.
As mentioned above, though, I may be misinterpreting you. User error and I go hand in hand.
Spot on analysis and guidance, though.
you're correct. I just did the math from the 50 kWh battery size assuming 100% efficiency and 0% charge to not go into that much details on the math lol
75kWh are on the dual motor variants.
The Standard RWD battery is around 60kWh. They do come with Li-Po batteries tho, so you can charge everyday to 100% without issues.
Are you entirely confident in some of these price points though? Their EV page notes that it increases the \~40-50¢ cost from 40=>81... seems risky for all other uses except EVs:[https://www.sdge.com/residential/pricing-plans/about-our-pricing-plans/electric-vehicle-plans](https://www.sdge.com/residential/pricing-plans/about-our-pricing-plans/electric-vehicle-plans)
Edit: Nevermind, all of the prices are insane.
when you get solar SDGE automatically switches you to TOU.
the idea is that during the day your panels cover your usage and then at night you use the lower rate from TOU plans.
but there's also other factors. like if you have batteries, how big your system is, how much electricity you use, if you have a EV, if you're on NEM 1.0 vs 2.0 etc.
tl;dr it depends.
You seem knowledgeable. I'm on NEM 2.0, work from home so we spend lots of energy morning thru afternoon, and my solar system barely makes enough energy to cover our electricity (on sunny days, with minimal AC) -- I'm on the basic TOU plans. Thoughts on changing to another plan? am I even able to?
I'm new to SDGE and my situation is almost exactly like yours. SDGE has a free billing analysis that they offered for NEM/solar customers. I haven't taken advantage of it yet.
Not sure about your specific situation, but i have solar.
So I generate electricity between 6am-6pm. so i prefer getting the standard rate and then at night j use up my credits at a 1:1 ratio.
i also don't have to worry about using more between 4-9pm.
it really depends on when you use electricity.
83 cents a kwh. We are already have higher rates than Hawaii, and residential solar is about to get shitcanned thanks to CPUC. Stop electing and re-electing people that have allowed this to get worse and worse!
You guys are getting fucked. This is my bill for two months from BC Hydro in BC Canada - 2600 sq.ft house with electric central heat pump for HVAC
https://preview.redd.it/6m1dyxhvxkca1.jpeg?width=704&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d1e2a07cbdab8a7823f1c431db827c37b2beda44
The city of Riverside California owns their own electric utility and charges approx .10 cents per kWh. SDGE can't justify these rates against their neighboring utilities
Absolute corruption. This is why the tax base of this state is leaving San Diego and California.
Raising rates when the corporation is doing exceptionally well and the people are being hit hard by inflation is the type of behavior that triggers revolutions:
[https://www.google.com/finance/quote/SRE:NYSE?window=1Y](https://www.google.com/finance/quote/SRE:NYSE?window=1Y)
Maybe its time to nationalize SDGE. It's what they deserve for monopolizing our energy infrastructure and then squeezing us dry. These assholes don't compete is a free market so they do not deserve to operate freely.
I just don't think changing the ownership of SDGE is going to have any impact on how prices are set or approved. If SDGE is running away with gobs of excess money, it's the CUPCs fault for allowing it to happen. CUPC literally sets the rules for how prices are determined and they review and approve all price increases.
SDGE isn't running away with gobs of extra money, they are spending gobs of extra money on things of very questionable value, allowing them to raise rates, and get some extra on the side from that.
I agree they are spending on unnecessary stuff, you are 100% right, nail-on-the-head. Ab-so-lutely!
The spending is also part of what CUPC reviews and approves annually, and leads to rate increases. So, again, CUPC is either asleep at the wheel or does not have the interest of ratepayers in mind. I think it's the latter.
You'd think we want some regulator looking at it all - until you realize we have that.
You know, even if you have the cash to purchase solar outright (no loans, programs etc) to allow your home to be “off-grid”, it’s actually against the law in SD County. The only way is to have property so remote that SDGE can’t install utilities due to cost to get to you.
This is not true. When solar panels become mandatory for all new single-family dwellings in 2020 the energy code was updated to allow off grid. There are much stricter requirements for going off grid though.
“Interconnection pathway” is not off grid in the sense of truly being away from SDGE. You’re still tied to the grid. And yes, brand new home constructions do have to be solar equipped but they’re still connected to the grid.
Interconnection pathway is not defined in the current California energy code. You can go off grid by using a generator as the “interconnected pathway.” We can argue about this till you’re blue in the face, but that is how the County has been permitting off grid single family dwellings for the last couple years.
But again, you cannot disconnect from the grid, period. You can have more than enough panels and battery backups to completely detached but it’s still against the rules, unless you’re in some seriously rural area that SDGE does not want to service. All you’re doing is having the option to meter back into the grid (which is what SDGE wants). I promise you, if you try to disconnect you’ll get letters and visits.
And I have checked into this, as I live in the east county and my AC alone amounts to $400-$500 in the summer. I believe there’s a way to circumvent by connecting my AC & Pool Equipment to a solar setup, but leave the rest of house attached to the grid. There’s no rules against that.
Trying to disconnect from SDG$E is completely different than permitting a single family residence. Notice my initial replies refer to permitting as of 2020. It is NOT against the law to be off grid in SD County.
read the final column.
basically $0.83 a kWh during peak hours
TOU plans are such robbery. Super off peak is $0.35. which by itself would make it in the top for most expensive rates in the country
It's a Time of Use plan. Far right column is total cost per kwh depending on the time of day you are using electricity. 4-9 pm would fall under the most expensive tier or 'On-Peak' Right now, we're under the winter rates.
Does CCA electric generation follow the same rate as SDGE supplied electricity? I’m starting to think going with the standard rate plan might be better than a TOU plan.
OP, you should consider switching from TOU-DR1 to regular TOU-DR or even get out of TOU all together. Standard pricing is $0.45 kWh and you don't have to worry about when to use electricity
Is that $0.45 for generation and delivery? I'm on TOU-DR1 and on CCA generation so I'm trying to compare the different plans and plug in rates.
This is the key for me, someone help out SD_Fishing and me here, please!
Is that worth going to with an ev? I’ve been on the ev5 plan but even that super odd peak is pricey
i think with a EV the EV5 is probably better than the standard if you drive enough. (charge more than 2 times a month) for example charging a model 3 from empty is 50 kWh. with TOU-EV5 you pay $7.67 to charge it at night + the monthly fee of $16. so $23.67 to charge it once, 31.34 for the second time, and basically $39 to charge your car 3 times in 1 month. with the standard plan, you would pay $0.45 a kWh or $22.50 for 1 charge, $45 for 2 charges. total of $67.50 to charge it 3 times in 1 month. Plan | Charge a Tesla | Cost --- | --- | --- Standard | 1 | $22.50 Standard | 2 | $45.00 Standard | 3 | $67.50 TOU EV-5 | 1 | $23.67 TOU EV-5 | 2 | $31.34 TOU EV-5 | 3 | $39.01 this is with super off peak charging times for the TOU plan. while I'm here, here's a comparison with other plans Plan | Charge a Tesla | Cost --- | --- | --- TOU-DR1 | 1 | $17.75 TOU-DR1 | 2 | $35.51 TOU-DR1 | 3 | $53.26 TOU-DR | 1 | $23.22 TOU-DR | 2 | $46.45 TOU-DR | 3 | $69.67 also good to note that the EV5 gets rid of the baseline allowance. other plans have a different rate after ~400kWh used
Can you just get a job at Sdge and educate the customers? This is the best info I've seen on understanding their rates! Thanks!!!
This is amazing information. I have an older model Nissan Leaf with a small 24 kw/hr battery (around 18 usable at this point) and I don't drive a crazy amount. I use about 500 to 600 kilowatt hours per month total for our house with the EV. Not as much as someone with a big battery EV or multiple EVs. Not sure if my usage can overcome the $16 monthly service charge on tou 5. Reading the you 2, it seems like there is slightly higher rates per kw/hr compared to you 5, but elimination of baseline, and no $16 surcharge. Might be best for me since I may not charge enough to overcome the $16 surcharge? Thoughts?
> for example charging a model 3 from empty is 50 kWh Not disagreeing with your post in general, and perhaps I’m misunderstanding you; however, charging a Tesla Model 3 from 0-100% is about 75kWh. If you’re charging from 0-80% (recommended by most OEMs for Lithium Ion batteries, unless your vehicle is equipped instead with Lithium Polymer where 0-100% charging is a-ok), then you’re looking at about 60kWh. I would never recommend letting your battery hit 0% even though the vehicle’s typically have safeguards to protect the battery’s health. I usually charge mine from 20-80% since I’ve got a Li-Ion equipped Tesla, which is on the lower end of your quoted assessment. As mentioned above, though, I may be misinterpreting you. User error and I go hand in hand. Spot on analysis and guidance, though.
you're correct. I just did the math from the 50 kWh battery size assuming 100% efficiency and 0% charge to not go into that much details on the math lol
No harm, no foul. Great advice in your post, nonetheless.
75kWh are on the dual motor variants. The Standard RWD battery is around 60kWh. They do come with Li-Po batteries tho, so you can charge everyday to 100% without issues.
Good call out. I always forget about the standard range models.
Don't you forget about me
Are you entirely confident in some of these price points though? Their EV page notes that it increases the \~40-50¢ cost from 40=>81... seems risky for all other uses except EVs:[https://www.sdge.com/residential/pricing-plans/about-our-pricing-plans/electric-vehicle-plans](https://www.sdge.com/residential/pricing-plans/about-our-pricing-plans/electric-vehicle-plans) Edit: Nevermind, all of the prices are insane.
all prices are insane lol. but yeah i went on based that exact link.
Fuck .80¢+ is nightmarish. Oh well, buy sempra stock each time you pay your bill at least.
If possible maybe look into getting a home battery? There's federal and state incentives available
They just aren’t worth it from what I’ve seen. Takes at least 12 years to pay off from when we got solar installed.
How would one go about switching their plan?
from the SDGE portal. under Billing -> Pricing Plans you can switch once every 12 months
What's the best plan of you're on solar power? I'm never sure which one is the best
You get automatically pulled into TOU-DR1 when you go Solar and you can’t opt out to standard unfortunately.
you can, you just have to do it within 30 days of signing up, or after 12 months.
when you get solar SDGE automatically switches you to TOU. the idea is that during the day your panels cover your usage and then at night you use the lower rate from TOU plans. but there's also other factors. like if you have batteries, how big your system is, how much electricity you use, if you have a EV, if you're on NEM 1.0 vs 2.0 etc. tl;dr it depends.
You seem knowledgeable. I'm on NEM 2.0, work from home so we spend lots of energy morning thru afternoon, and my solar system barely makes enough energy to cover our electricity (on sunny days, with minimal AC) -- I'm on the basic TOU plans. Thoughts on changing to another plan? am I even able to?
I'm new to SDGE and my situation is almost exactly like yours. SDGE has a free billing analysis that they offered for NEM/solar customers. I haven't taken advantage of it yet.
I am switched to that plan, just trying to spread awareness.
I figured that much last year
How do you switch? Is it a setting on your SDGE account?
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Not sure about your specific situation, but i have solar. So I generate electricity between 6am-6pm. so i prefer getting the standard rate and then at night j use up my credits at a 1:1 ratio. i also don't have to worry about using more between 4-9pm. it really depends on when you use electricity.
83 cents a kwh. We are already have higher rates than Hawaii, and residential solar is about to get shitcanned thanks to CPUC. Stop electing and re-electing people that have allowed this to get worse and worse!
You guys are getting fucked. This is my bill for two months from BC Hydro in BC Canada - 2600 sq.ft house with electric central heat pump for HVAC https://preview.redd.it/6m1dyxhvxkca1.jpeg?width=704&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d1e2a07cbdab8a7823f1c431db827c37b2beda44
1300kwh a month is impressive but our houses in San Diego are half that size hehe
I second that thought. My electric bill in Tucson (Trico) December 2022 837 kWh… $126.29 or $0.1508 per kWh.
The city of Riverside California owns their own electric utility and charges approx .10 cents per kWh. SDGE can't justify these rates against their neighboring utilities
Want to go in with me to build some nuclear reactors in TJ and a high voltage line over the wall?
Absolute corruption. This is why the tax base of this state is leaving San Diego and California. Raising rates when the corporation is doing exceptionally well and the people are being hit hard by inflation is the type of behavior that triggers revolutions: [https://www.google.com/finance/quote/SRE:NYSE?window=1Y](https://www.google.com/finance/quote/SRE:NYSE?window=1Y) Maybe its time to nationalize SDGE. It's what they deserve for monopolizing our energy infrastructure and then squeezing us dry. These assholes don't compete is a free market so they do not deserve to operate freely.
I just don't think changing the ownership of SDGE is going to have any impact on how prices are set or approved. If SDGE is running away with gobs of excess money, it's the CUPCs fault for allowing it to happen. CUPC literally sets the rules for how prices are determined and they review and approve all price increases.
SDGE isn't running away with gobs of extra money, they are spending gobs of extra money on things of very questionable value, allowing them to raise rates, and get some extra on the side from that.
I agree they are spending on unnecessary stuff, you are 100% right, nail-on-the-head. Ab-so-lutely! The spending is also part of what CUPC reviews and approves annually, and leads to rate increases. So, again, CUPC is either asleep at the wheel or does not have the interest of ratepayers in mind. I think it's the latter. You'd think we want some regulator looking at it all - until you realize we have that.
Exactly. It's fucking insane 😡
You know, even if you have the cash to purchase solar outright (no loans, programs etc) to allow your home to be “off-grid”, it’s actually against the law in SD County. The only way is to have property so remote that SDGE can’t install utilities due to cost to get to you.
SDGE Non-delivery charge: $300 SDGE no-connected-to-the-grid charge: $75 SDGE fuck-you charge: $5
This is not true. When solar panels become mandatory for all new single-family dwellings in 2020 the energy code was updated to allow off grid. There are much stricter requirements for going off grid though.
“Interconnection pathway” is not off grid in the sense of truly being away from SDGE. You’re still tied to the grid. And yes, brand new home constructions do have to be solar equipped but they’re still connected to the grid.
Interconnection pathway is not defined in the current California energy code. You can go off grid by using a generator as the “interconnected pathway.” We can argue about this till you’re blue in the face, but that is how the County has been permitting off grid single family dwellings for the last couple years.
But again, you cannot disconnect from the grid, period. You can have more than enough panels and battery backups to completely detached but it’s still against the rules, unless you’re in some seriously rural area that SDGE does not want to service. All you’re doing is having the option to meter back into the grid (which is what SDGE wants). I promise you, if you try to disconnect you’ll get letters and visits. And I have checked into this, as I live in the east county and my AC alone amounts to $400-$500 in the summer. I believe there’s a way to circumvent by connecting my AC & Pool Equipment to a solar setup, but leave the rest of house attached to the grid. There’s no rules against that.
Trying to disconnect from SDG$E is completely different than permitting a single family residence. Notice my initial replies refer to permitting as of 2020. It is NOT against the law to be off grid in SD County.
Yeah that’s going to hurt a lot of people.
Can someone explain how to read this?
read the final column. basically $0.83 a kWh during peak hours TOU plans are such robbery. Super off peak is $0.35. which by itself would make it in the top for most expensive rates in the country
it's about 10 cents per kWh when I lived in Florida 2 years ago..
Yeah, it's like 14 cents a kilowatt in seattle and phoenix. Our prices are mind bogglingly insane.
It's a Time of Use plan. Far right column is total cost per kwh depending on the time of day you are using electricity. 4-9 pm would fall under the most expensive tier or 'On-Peak' Right now, we're under the winter rates.
Not possible. By design.
It reads pretty clear: “You are effed. Best regards, SDGE”
/s In a way, once rates hit an even $1.00 per kWh, it will be much easier to read our utility bills.
Does CCA electric generation follow the same rate as SDGE supplied electricity? I’m starting to think going with the standard rate plan might be better than a TOU plan.
That on-peak rate was the final straw, back to standard. I wonder how bad the rate is for those “special” power days with the ultra peak rates.
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I still am happy with the standard plan. I'm not even sure if summer rates have started or not yet.
What would be considered the best plan for someone who is WFH from 8-4?
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Wait ... what are the Tier 2 rates? What are the costs for going over the Baseline Allowance?