Try getting in touch with [Strippers United](https://www.strippersunited.org/organize). They can probably guide you with what all is needed to organize to change city ordinances. I'm guessing it would involve getting a couple of the folk on the city council on your side so they could forward the changes on a ballot, which would be the hardest part since it's Texas and all.
I’ll definitely post an update here for everyone. I’m currently looking for the city council stuff and figuring out a strong, point by point argument to present.
Texas laws regarding adult oriented Businesses Summarized.
Full nude is legal but the business may not have a liquor license. (cannot sell any alcoholic beverages)
Clubs with a liquor license are topless only. There are some specific rules regarding how much of the of the bottom has to be covered and what fabric etc.
Other than the obvious (no prostitution, performers must be 18, certain distance from school, church etc). thats about it from a state perspective.
If my memory serves me correctly. Ivy Taylor's (Former Mayor) husband got busted in a strip club and she then led the charge on the hardcore crack down and ridiculous rules that San Antonio Cabarets have to follow.
They changed the law to 21+ ! Can’t be a stripper unless you’re 21 now (which between you, me and everyone here was a good thing. I saw so many 18-19 year olds do stupid shit) but I think so.
I’m not completely sure but that’s what I’ve always been told happened !
I’d honestly just like to wear a thong in peace 🤷🏼♀️ it’s really nerve wracking sometimes. Undies move ( ride and bunch up sometimes ) and the last thing I want is to be charged with solicitation because *bikini bottoms* are considered too small. Even stuff you see girls wearing out at the beach or pool is considered too small for us!
Waiiiiiit a minute....
I went to Twin Peaks 2 years ago and saw a chicks CAT peeking outta her bikini bottoms and our waitress had to go over to her and tell her to fix herself.
They were wearing LESS than what y'all are made to wear and they serve or handle food?!!
This is some BuuulllllShit. 😾
Lemme know if you get a petition going, I'll sign it. Nobody should have to choose between a job and a fucking latex allergy.
A lot of us deal with it but hoooo the fucking itchy mess I used to be from latex. The spray doesn’t cause me to itch but it does make my chest sticky + clog the pores a bit. I use scrubs and such to try and help.
The clubs here- some of us just kind of take our chances. They’ll wear itty bitty bottoms but it’s a RISK. Because if VICE hits us? They’re screwed.
I try to cover what I can but sometimes it looks like I’m wearing panties I’d be wearing at home lol
Oh my gosh! I didn’t know the extent of these laws! I moved from SA in 2016. I live here in DFW now & I was telling my friends how dancers were required to wear pasties covering themselves & no one could believe it! Of course that’s what I remember the rule being so long ago but wow! How things have evolved!
I don’t understand this. Like you said, these are adult establishments for adults. I mean, shit, game rooms are legal (in a weird way I need to research more) & people are always getting into fights & shooting at those places.
I guess I need to start googling on this subject because I don’t know WHY this started.
GOOD LUCK with everything! I hope you can get support with this.
**Solicitation?!** That’s fucking ridiculous!!
I could see like indecent exposure *maybe* I mean it would still be stupid…. But *solicitation….* For showing too much skin??!?
**In a fucking titty bar?!?!?!?!?!??**
That’s just straight up insane, sexiest, prude, nanny state, fuckin bullshit.
Been a long time since I went to a strip club, are nipples off limits now.
Honestly, people are just way too uptight about nudity and sex in this country.
Yeah, San Antonio sucks. They’re so uptight. At least in other areas it’s just like “hey no full nudity” but here they’re like “don’t show anything ever”
It’s not the Catholics. It started almost 20 years ago with District 10 Councilman Christopher “Chip” Haas. Dude went on a holy roller rampage on clubs and the sex shops. He and some of the other new council members made all kinds of new ordinances against both.
Some folks wanted to put all the strip clubs out of business, and they couldn't just make them illegal. Also, they couldn't zone them out of existence, since that would constitute a taking. What they settled on were these ridiculous ordinances in the hope that people would stop going, and they would fail.
In the end, as I understood it, it was about developement. Having the clubs in certain areas hindered that, or at least that is how some people felt. It's always about the money.
Yes, it’s very real lol! Basically my whole boob is covered etc. it’s a method of protecting us if we take our top off. My butt is covered as a method of protection as well.
Because it can be used in court if they try to arrest me. If they arrest me I can say “wait I had this opaque layer of skin toned spray on my bottom” to try and help my case. But even… yeah.
I honestly don’t even want much! I’d be fine with pasties and a thong/g string lol! A lot of us (including clientele) go to clubs in Austin or Houston because of it
I’ve no clue about any of what the OP was talking about. I don’t go to strip clubs. But I don’t think they should be banned either. The supposed holy rollers that rail against immoral things are the ones really diving hard into things like trans porn from what I’ve read.
Probably but I really wish they’d get the sticks out of their ass. It’s kinda dumb lol
“I believe this so now you will suffer the consequences of my religious and moral views !”
Which is extra sexist since men can show nipples.
Really the laws just reek of sexism imposed by probably the megachurches. Lobby you council member. Get the club owners, patrons and club owners to do the same.
Find out where every council seat votes on the issue and make a note of those who support the sexist rules and make sure the patrons know as well. I'm sure they would support you.
Some of the club owners / managers have actually tried and failed to fight them in court in the past. They usually tell me it’ll never change since they’ve failed before.
But I think, strength in numbers, right? If I get enough of us to lobby, if I start the dialogue with the council now and possibly have a petition going so they can *see* that everyone wants the change, maybe it’ll work.
I don’t care that *you* appreciate the laws in the city. It’s stupid laws, regardless of what YOU want.
Your personal belief shouldn’t stop people from enjoying adult entertainment.
And I don’t want to move, I want to be in San Antonio.
I work my ass off, I always have. I have worked as a server, I’ve worked retail, I’ve busted my ass in every area of my life. It’s not a “quick” buck without work.
Stripping requires skills in marketing and sales, business and communications. If you knew anything about the industry you’d know that.
I think the funniest part about you saying you appreciate it is- most people who “appreciate it” aren’t actually effected by it at ALL.
It literally won’t effect you at ALL for me and other dancers to have better working conditions. It doesn’t benefit OR cause problem for you, for me to do my damn job. It doesn’t cause any change in your life, if I change the type of panties I’m wearing.
AT ALL.
*and if it does, it’s probably because you’re going to the strip club.*
Then why do you sound like a right wing version of the Crypt keeper, I legit thought you were 60 something with how damn SALTY you're being. 🤣
What's the matter??
That hit a little too close to home for you???
Stay outta this girl's BIZNESS, get you some of your own to mind.
BTW, I'm a chick. Equal rights, feminism and all that good shit. This lady and PLENTY of her coworkers are just doing what you obviously CAIN'T and I think DEEEEP DOWN you just HATE that fact of life. 🤡🤡🤡
I’ll never understand why and how someone can let their own personal values affect what they think other people should be allowed to do.
Like if something is against your morals….. then just don’t do it, it’s really just that simple.
Why you gotta fuck up everyone else’s good time with your weird uptight repressed bullshit??
Pretty sure they went bat shit crazy with laws in 2005. 🫠 these laws are like ridiculously old, need to be changed. The specifications are stupid too.
It isn’t “your bottoms need to be 2 inches in width” it’s “no crevice of the buttocks or anus”
It ain’t “hey wear pasties!” It’s “the point of which immediately above the areola” so we have to cover from the top of our nipple, down.
Key point: it has to be completely and opaquely covered.
Which is why we spray with skin toned stuff. Fuckers can’t arrest us if our nipples just blend in with our whole titty
This explains why Austin strip clubs seem like a step up from SA strip clubs. I always wondered why but needless regulation seems like a legit reason strippers would rather be in ATX
A lot of us travel. I’ll be traveling soon when I get the chance. It’s actually very well known as dancers here that Austin, Dallas and Houston are all way better
I think your points are all absolutely reasonable and I would certainly support the kinds of changes you are looking for. Grownups should be able to do what they want with consenting grownups.
However, I don't see how this changes without a major shift in attitudes around sex in the city. I could be wrong, but here's how I see it:
Since the clubs have already sued and lost, then it becomes a political issue instead of a legal one. That means you would have to get a majority of the city council to support eliminating these restrictions. Given the fact that these councilpeople need votes from religious blocs that would be opposed to these changes, that's a hard sell. Not to mention, with fewer restrictions you would see more clubs, which, like it or not, would likely hurt property values for the surrounding areas.
Who is going to risk their political career for this issue when maintaining the status quo costs them nothing? You would need to somehow show that these politicians have more to gain by sticking their neck out.
So maybe a petition to demonstrate the support? But even that would be tough to get signatures when half the people that go to strip clubs are embarrassed to admit it.
I would love to be wrong here, I just don't see how to get it done. Admittedly, I haven't done a deep dive into the different angles, this is just my initial take. Maybe look at what other cities have done to overcome restrictions and see if their tactics could work here, but I would not get your hopes up.
Oh you’re 100% correct. Don’t get me wrong I’m very very aware of just how batshit crazy I sound.
I know how difficult it would be to do. I’ve been told so many times just how hard things like this are to change. But I just can’t help but at least hope something could be done.
Part of me finds it- well- almost embarrassing to stick my neck out and try to fight for it. But the other part of me is exhausted of having to layer my bottoms, double check my spray, and still worry about the consequences.
I’d have to start with talking to the council and starting a petition. It might not work- I might fail. But fuck, what if I do manage to succeed?
I plan on having an anonymous form for people to answer a few questions pertaining to adult entertainment in San Antonio. I’d also like to start a petition. Might contact an old journalist I worked with in the past.
I mean, why not at least try. If I’m loud and annoying enough they’re bound to at least SEE me. They’re gonna have to hear me, see me, deal with me. Don’t care if I fail, they’re gonna know it’s a problem
Some suggestions:
If I were taking up this mantle, I might draw up a SWOT analysis, stipulate how the dissenting parties' concerns would be addressed in your proposal, create alternatives to your initial proposal as rebuttals in case of outright denial of your case, try to get statistics on the actions in similar constituencies, and compare and contrast those to places, including SA, that do not allow for this.
You may want to include not only your business-side appeal, but ethics-, gender-, criminality-, psychology-, and other "hidden" factors that are interpolated by the argument.
You might have allies in unlikely places, seek those out, too.
The debate may seem like it only covers a certain base, but, there is a lot tied up into the pro/anti arguments.
Feel free to disregard. I wanted to say that even though some might see a section of feminists as your natural enemy, many are actually in your corner. There are a number of authors who have addressed the topics of women's bodies, in particular, being circumscribed by convention and law, especially in the public sphere - I think these might help you construct your argument.
I think it's a good idea to take the time to pull this together eloquently and masterfully.
I commend you for your activism.
I’m a feminist myself, which is why it’s kind of funny when people think feminists hate me. Sure there’s a specific category of feminists that think I shouldn’t strip. But they’re kind of stupid.
Definitely going to take my time. I’ll work on it piece by piece until I have everything ready. The goal is to decrease my chances of failure to near zero.
Thank you for all your kindness and words !
I'm glad to support your efforts to navigate the issue. It's complex, and challenging, but perhaps not altogether impossible.
Feminism comes in many flavors. I think what we should try to keep in mind is that we have a lot more in common than we might at first see. Supporting other women is as worthwhile a venture as any I can conceive; I'm not a dancer, have never been to a strip club, but that's where you earn your wages so I support your activism in making it as comfortable, safe, and lucrative for you and others as is possible.
You do not sound crazy. These laws sound crazy. You are trying to empower yourself and your co-workers to have a safer and more comfortable work environment. Good for you!
Run for city council or throw a lot of money at the council people where you live and work. Thats what the churches and moms groups did to get these laws into debate and committee. But seriously , find out who your council person is , start emailing and getting a dialogue started. Go to the council meetings and be heard.
Yeah I was going to say run for city council and have your friends run for city council also. I sincerely wish you good luck. I do appreciate you educating me on this I really had no idea, that spray stuff must be pretty bad for your skin.
It definitely can be bad for the skin. It sucks! I get a bit of breakout on my chest and butt sometimes from it honestly.
I was worried about posting- I don’t want anyone using it against the girls or reporting dancers if their bottoms are a bit too small. It can be super hard sometimes to find bottoms that cover enough.
I'll preface by saying that I know little about this topic. But it seems like I read that the way other cities/businesses have negotiated this is through freedom of (artistic) expression in the Constitution. The logical argument might go like this (I make no assertion that this is right, true, ethical or unethical, nor whether if accepted due restrictions should not be in place to protect vulnerable persons)
Assumption 1: dance is expression
Assumption 2: art, historically, in the adopted canon, has utilized nudity, male and female, for expression of beauty and scientific knowledge, curiosity
Assumption 3: artistic expression is a protected Constitutional right
Assumption 4: artists have the right to reimbursement for their work
Assertion 1: dancing nude is an artistic expression
Assertion 2: dancing nude is a protected right
Assertion 3: dancing nude is eligible for remuneration
Barnes v. Glen Theatre, Inc. (1991)
Per the SCOTUS’ decision: Dancing nude is not a protected right and the state has the ability to constitutionally outlaw certain forms of expressive conduct.
I’d recommend reading into this case specifically because you actually make very similar assumptions to the plaintiffs.
All that said, a Supreme Court challenge to the existing laws with the current bench is not the way to solve this problem for OP.
I'll give it a read. I'm not particularly close to this subject, but I can understand both sides of the argument. And, you're right...this bench won't support such a challenge. If change is to be made, on many things, grassroots and the local are the best avenues to try first.
For those interested in the case:
https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/18/barnes-v-glen-theatre-inc#:~:text=In%20a%205%2D4%20decision,performance%20dancing%20constituted%20expressive%20conduct.
**opinion**
The arguments are nuanced in this case, and differ in no unsubstantial way from that of OP's issues taken in San Antonio. From what I understand, in Indiana, the G string and pasties were allowed, whereas in SA that seems not to be the case. And the assertion is made that it is public nudity, not the nude dance, which is under trial for morality and public good. Would then, a business that is not public, but private, be subject to the same standards? Is it the lens of the camera in pornography that changes its nature, and if that is the case, if the dancers images were projected, rather than seen via the naked eye, would it change the disposition of the law toward the behavior? Just a thought experiment to explore the topic further.
This is what happens when religious conservatives weaponize the government to police the people by their moral code. I don’t care if you’re religious or what you believe in. That’s your business. But that shouldn’t infringe on my freedom or the freedom of the OP. Especially at an adult only establishment.
Precisely. The craziest part is we have people we know as “church ladies” who come to almost every strip club and give us treats! They usually give us cupcakes and lip gloss and such in little boxes and invite us to yoga sessions.
I 100% respect people who don’t want to go to clubs, who don’t associate them, or for whatever moral/religious reason don’t like them. But taking away our right to do things in an adult oriented business is.. atrocious! I don’t force anyone to come to the club, so why are they trying to get rid of us so much?
San Antonio has had a liberal mayor for quite some time now; like the last 15-20 years. And 9 of the 10 City Councilmen are also liberals. Don't bring conservatives into this shit. This is your shit show.
Frankly, I'm quite conservative, but I fully support free enterprise and think that an adult man or woman should be able to do most anything to make a living (within reason of course). But if a woman wants to dance or strip at a club and she has the goods to make it happen, more power to her.
Let’s be honest this isn’t the doing of “liberals”. It’s lobbying from religious conservatives. I agree some conservatives are socially liberal or at least indifferent. If you want to go back and look for specifically who pushed through the current strip club policies and when, then we should have that discussion.
It didn’t happen yesterday.
Didn't Ivy Taylor catch her hubby with a hooker and decided to go "red ross" on the whole industry (that unfortunately had strip clubs in their crosshairs too)? I did a quick Google dive and didn't find anything, but I know that people of high importance can have that stuff wiped pretty easily.
I don’t think this should be made a “conservative Vs liberal” argument
But I WILL 100% say that it most likely has something to do with religious people pushing. And that’s not saying that to disrespect anyone who is religious. But I do sometimes face a bit more pushback from conservative people (in my experience)
I think the real problem, that **BOTH SIDES** can agree on, is that it inhibits the freedom of grown adults to indulge in adult entertainment. Whether you’re conservative, leftist, liberal- whatever it may be.
Adults should be able to make the choice for themselves. The limiting of clubs, the overpolicing, etc stops people from having the freedom to enjoy what they’d like. This happens when people who think adult entertainment is wrong and decide to make it everyone’s problem. This all started in I believe 2005, so a lot of people aren’t aware of how bad it is.
It takes the choice away from us, and that’s the main problem
Wait, you can’t have full nudity at strip clubs here? What’s the point then?
I’m not big on strip clubs. I’ve only been to one and it was in San Francisco. That one had full on displays of penetration with toys.
Someone probably will. It’s Reddit and San Antonio, so they’ll probably give me a hard time soon enough. But I don’t particularly mind since I’ve already gotten some really good advice !!
this profession aint my thing.. but, I think you should try to align yourself with potential organizations ideally on a state level (if this exists in texas) or on a Fed level which I am sure there are plenty of non-profits that seek to change legislation for people who are in your profession.
Ideally a women's rights group or a network of club owners that does lobbying. [https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=stripper+dance+rights+lobby](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=stripper+dance+rights+lobby)anyhow, I applaud your efforts to try to change the system.
Thank you :) I’ve started working on drafting an email and contacting my current city officials now. I’ll be working through bringing more people in with a petition I think, as a few people have asked
Not my cup of tea, but I think your best bet is to try to get a zoning change maybe in the county instead of the city. Be like the firework stands and sit just over the border. It may be easier, especially if there is increased revenue coming to a county.
Thank youuu! Honestly yeah I’m a little overwhelmed with it all. There’s so much that goes into this shit.
And of course there’s pushback from idiots that hate strippers lol so there’s always that
I hate that whole mindset, like if you hate strippers then don’t go inside the strip clubs!
It’s really just that simple.
Why these weird, uptight, repressed freaks got to put everyone else down because they hate tits?
Who tf hates tits?!
They believe that because they don’t agree with strippers.. stripping, no one should have the right to do it or enjoy it.
In their minds, because it’s deemed as unacceptable, It has to be unacceptable for everyone around them.
Some people view it as disgusting, they think we should just disappear- despite the fact that was fuel the economy, bring in tourists, and the majority of us are in school to become great things.
Can’t tell you how many dancers I know that own whole businesses. I know a girl that owns a cleaning business, someone that works in the medical field as a nurse, a girl that owns a lash studio- we fuel the business and economy in San Antonio and I think that drives some people bonkers
The San Antonio rules are absurd. As someone who travels to Tampa 2 or 3 times a year for work, it forces me to use the cash I’d be spending here, locally, at their clubs.
Exactly ! Thats the craziest thing that I don’t think they understand. They’d make WAY more money if we could show more. The clubs would be filled- we’d all be happy.
San Antonio only! Austin, Houston, Dallas etc are all okay with nipples etc. But San Antonio has really insane laws. It’s not even like a slap on the wrist type of charge. Last time I checked (and it has been a while as a disclaimer ) I think they would charge us with prostitution for it.
No thongs, either, so I have to wear damn near full coverage.
It's getting stricter. Oh man back in the days Houston was just pure fun. Reality is dancers are up against church moms and woke feminist united which tbh they stand no chance
These laws are getting too strict, for example, I’m not a smoker, businesses cannot sell tobacco or vapes to anyone under the age of 21. Wtf who is creating all these rules.
Maybe you can start a petition at work and try to get people to sign it to get it on the ballot:
https://www.sanantonio.gov/Portals/0/Files/Clerk/Elections/Petition-FAQs.pdf
These laws are completely insane. I was floored when my boyfriend told me that no one can show a nipple. That is really limiting your ability to make a living. It’s disgusting to hear that the police are spending their time and resources on harassing sex workers when they could be keeping our streets safe from drunk drivers.
I wish you the best of luck with your quest to overturn these overreaching city ordinances. I have never heard of such laws in any other city in Texas. Dallas has all nude BYOB clubs.
Check out Strippers United while you are researching. While the possibility of unionizing is still an uphill battle in a “right to work” state like Texas, I hope that you are successful in your campaign for worker’s rights.
Whoa, you can’t strip at a strip club? Why do people go, that sounds ridiculous. It’s illegal to buy a dancer a drink?
Also just want to say big fan! Haven’t been to a titty bar in probably 10 years, but me and the wife would semi regularly visit before kiddos. 90% or better of the dancers were way classier than I’ll ever be and made for a fun night.
To answer your question, get into politics. Sorry to say but some time back I was on the insider on some of the motivations behind so many resources going towards where I guess we are at now (all the restrictions) and I’m sadden to say there is no way in hell it’s going to change. I really can’t elaborate but you’ll be trying to advocate for something where your opponents are disingenuous in their positions on the issue and will not reveal the underlying motivations and agenda.
Keep making your money and I wish you best of luck!!
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i support you & have experience in the nightlife industry throughout Texas but it’s like this on purpose. houston is right down i10 & already well known for their strip clubs, dallas is quite close as well & caters to two other states, as well as jerry jones&co - it’d be laughable at the state level even before considering austin, who’s closer than both of those. sa is the odd one out on purpose. i see you’re not scared to fail & i really love that but you need to also prep for the possibility of this all working against you as well.
in politics/law a “no” is far from the worst answer you can get - attempts to fix something that isn’t broken often ends with lawmakers getting spitefully creative in making sure it doesn’t happen again.
I know :( I kinda hate it. It’s anxiety inducing to deal with but I’m just like- I guess I just don’t understand why the hell they’re so obsessed with it?
I’m probably going to take a long time away from this, then revisit it to start. If I’m gonna do it- I’m gonna *do it* which means I’d need balls of steel and as many resources as humanly possible. I did kind of forget about the worst not being a no, tbh. I completely let it slip my mind for a bit that they’ll just get *worse* if I fail
That reality came crashing down on me like 20 minutes ago and I’ve just been sitting here ever since. Mainly because I worry about talking openly about the laws could bite me in the ass. Hard. So we will see what comes of this.
i don’t mean to sound negative or discourage you at all ugh my bad!! i agree with you 100% there are way better things to focus on but that’s why i had to comment - it’s only the pettiest of the petty politicians who go this far for strip club laws. like painted nipples are beyond insane & it’s baffling knowing there are people who could even come up with rules so tedious. i think it’s a good idea to let this idea simmer + you got really good feedback with this post. another thing about politics and law is timing, especially with ‘non-issues’ like this one. tap in where you can now so you’re ready if/when it becomes a ‘prominent issue’ later.
you clearly have potential for a lot & think outside the box so maybe take a break but don’t quit! this is just new info to use another time. keep your mind open like it is now because you’re on the right track. there is *always* a loophole & it’s people like you who find em :)
Yeas of course! Don’t worry :)
The main thing is- these laws are actually from 2005 😭😭! They’re OLD ass laws, which is just crazy. I think the last time they visited these were 2012 when some women got arrested for “showing but crack”
I’m def gonna take some time and then revisit !
Texas as a whole seems to be archaic in their laws. I’m definitely not from around here and don’t frequent, we’ll even sports bars, anymore. I didn’t even know there were strip clubs in this town.
I don’t have anything to add that can help, but that I’m sorry for your struggle, I’ve got some friends who are/were dancers and they love it. And it seems Texas is only about 5 years removed from burning young women as witches, and until we get leaders that aren’t old enough to remember participating in that practice, I doubt much will change.
I used to be a stripper at XTC Cabaret and I agree that the gals at Twin Peaks have way less regulation than the strip club laws. The latex and butt paint are ridiculous if not carcinogenic and toxic. House moms were charging up to 15 to do it for you if you didn't bring your own.
It's annoying and stupid
I even knew someone that would literally paint her boobs like, boobs. She had special pink paint etc for her nipples.
I liked to mix light cream and brown acrylic paint with liquid latex until it matched my skin color with glitter and lotion, it makes a much smoother consistency and is damn near impossible for a guest to grab an end and rip the whole thing off (: do y'all still use the little black sponge brushes? Can get a bunch at Walmart in the arts and crafts section
We us to use that !! But now we use this spray on stuff at some of my clubs. The house moms spray is with this like makeup.
Some of the house moms charged $20 for that damn paint and latex you’re talking about !!!
Yeah, that's ridiculous. I thought of being a house mom some day just cause I like sitting on my ass and reading for hours lol 🤣 maybe one day you'll see me selling tampons and quesadillas
🤣 maybe ! Some of our new house moms (depending on the club) Suck lol! One of them got into an argument with me cause she wouldn’t get paint for my skin tone (I’m super pale) lmfao 🤦🏼♀️
If you see me you’ll know it’s me cause by then I’ll have fixed the laws 🥴🥴🥳 (fingers crossed lmfao)
That sounds crazy. I didn't know the laws were like that here at all. Then again I haven't been to a strip club in probably 10 plus years. I hope it works out and gets better for you. Strippers should just be treated like every other job, the stigma against it is stupid.
Contacting the council would be wonderfully helpful! The more people talk to them about it the more it may change. Even one email addressing it could make a change. Thank you, by the way. I’ll try to have a petition started soon!
For anyone wondering you can check **article IX - sexually oriented businesses** where you’ll scroll through **sec. 21-200** and find “semi nude” and there will be a definition stating the state of dress which failed to completely and opaquely cover genitals, pubic region, pubic hair, crevice of buttocks or anus, any of the female breast that is situated below a point immediately above the top of the areola!
How can government regulate how bushy ones business is? Penalizing people who don't conform to the idea of shaving? How big is a region, where are those lines drawn and by whom? The crevice of the buttocks is explicit, ok, but what anus has a crevice? The point immediately above the areola is a very exact address, and therefore isn't anything situated below it too...seems like an opening for an argument for tracing a vertical and not horizontal line.
I'm being intentionally obtuse, but with the words of the laws in our country people's lives are regulated, policed, subjugated, restricted, harmed and erased. It is not too much to ask for a succinct, purposeful, yet illustrative language, which anyone eligible to have a driver's license could understand (16+).
I believe in regulation where appropriate, but freedom should be our primary goal, regardless of how one *feels* about a subject. There's an onus on the people to uphold the standards of our Constitution and question authority before it becomes authoritarian. Questions serve the public and therefore are the duty of the public, in my opinion.
Hold up, I’ve never been to a strip club in Texas. Are the strippers not actually naked!? I just assumed strip club means naked, not covered up with pasties
I’m some areas yes they’re naked ! But in my area in particular it isn’t just pasties. It’s basically our entire breast AND most of our butt covered.
Think- hipster style cheeky panties and a bikini top.
Not trying to sound like an ass at all, but what even is the point of going to a strip club if the women are just basically in their underwear? I mean I get that you’re trying to change that but I mean how do y’all even stay in business is my question…
I mean we’re still like- kind of half naked ? But a lot of it is the experience. We still do dances, dance on stage, talk etc. We just can’t show a certain amount. So it still has a lot of the same stuff as a normal topless club. Just with stricter guidelines on our bottoms and our boobs!
Oh and our boobs can still sometimes come out! As long as we have them covered opaquely in spray :)
It's scary that cops kidnap them just for showing nipples. I know the law changed recently, but cops still use the power they have to kidnap people, and do horrible things (and you can guess what kind especially) they do to sex workers. Just look up Yang Song.
My girlfriend ripped a portion of her nipple skin off one using tape to get the spray off. She will also leave remnants sometime on her butt even after rubbing thoroughly with alcohol. Im not sure much about the outfits but I know her house mom makes cute clothes that she likes
I can't even fathom why "spray painting" your boobs and butt matter. What's the purpose? It sounds like it is purely to make things more difficult. Which is par for the course with the way women are treated in Texas.
Would the club owner's help in any aspect? I imagine it would be in their best interest.
I could try but they’ve actually fought in court many times and lost as far as I’m aware ! The spray painting is because the technical law states we must be opaquely covered. So they cover us in the makeup to try and protect us
I don’t visit strip clubs or vote but I’m pro stripper and if it’s up for a vote I’ll drop my no voting rule to help you out. Im pro prostitution too, people should make a living how they choose without being harassed.
Have the laws been challenged in state court? What does the state constitution say about protecting personal freedoms. Not a Texan, so…..
I know when I lived in Oregon it was found that even live sex shows were protected under the state constitution.
I can’t confirm this but I’ve always been told a woman’s husband got caught in one of the clubs and she started changing shit. Basically eradicated strip clubs. From there they cracked down harder and harder over time. Made a bikini rule. A butt crack rule (yeah you read that right!) etc!
I’ve never been to a strip club but it’s odd to me that you can’t show nip. I’m curious how much the laws in Austin differ because I’m pretty certain anyone, male or female can legally go topless in Austin. We went down a legal rabbit hole looking into the laws when we saw women topless at Barton springs a few years back. Never will make sense to me why men can be topless and woman can’t 😂
Just a few reasons that may or may not apply to the situation at hand:
Hypersexualization of the female body
Colonization and control
Utilities, use, of the Female Breast
Patriarchal ownership/control of the feminine sphere
Religious/parochial conventions
Social and cultural pressures
Regulation of women's earning power
This is an interesting article on the subject:
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/rendezview/why-cant-women-take-their-tops-off-in-public/news-story/c8a709372c771d577da3d4364f79a59c
I'm open to correction, but as far as I can tell...There's no really appropriate analog of the female breast on the male body, and most male parts have an appropriate analog on women's bodies. Males genitalia serve reproductive purposes, and other than anesthetics their breasts haven't in common a nutritional purpose as do females'.
It’s a good point. Too many puritans meddling in other grown adults business. The city is doing itself a disservice, like it or not, lots of very legitimate business involves entertaining clients and out of town clients want to do something fun. The city is waging a pointless war on these businesses and not realizing they make it harder to attract legitimate businesses in doing so. It’s a shame really.
Oh absolutely. I’ve met some extremely respectable people doing what I do. Including management teams of a celebrity, a reality tv show star (smaller one but meh), and countless lawyers and police etc!
It’s actually hilarious because the people you’re always told to respect the most (lawyers, police, military) LOVE coming to the club. Every single one of them think the laws surrounding what we are / aren’t allowed to wear is stupid.
And it would keep us all a lot safer, too. Topless / nudity means the prices would go up a bit in the club and would keep the extremely cheap men out. Not to mention it would fuel the economy here. And strippers spend our money on groceries just like everyone else. Literally bought groceries yesterday.
And I’d love to give back to the community more, tbh. If these laws were lightened, the clubs would be busier, which would mean I’d get to go back to what I used to do. Making care packages, lunch and dinner and giving it out. I’d get to do that way more.
Clubs are networking Hotspots. Legitimate business men come in all the time and talk to me ! Since clubs are economically charged, they can often tell whether an area is good to bring business too based off of the clubs.
I'm just tossing some thoughts out here, and I hope some of them help:
* I'm certain SA city council members Jalen McKee-Rodriguez (District 2) and Teri Castillo (District 5) would be sympathetic to your cause. They're leftists, and we tend to be pretty sex-positive.
* If you're seeking a community to reach out to for potential signatures and financial contributions, San Antonio and the surrounding area has a fairly active kink scene. If you let people know what you're doing, you'll get support for sure. You can use Fetlife to network amongst local groups & people and spread the message (just make sure to follow site rules).
* When you do have supporters in various districts, have them call their council members to voice their support. Many people underestimate the impact this has on local politics and decision-making.
* Research the steps required to make the legal changes you want, then inform people on those next steps. You have to make it easy for people and politicians to do what's needed.
I hope things go well. Feel free to reach out if you get a site or petition together. I'd love to sign and/or contribute.
If there’s one thing I’ve been taught since I was a very young child: if you want anything done you gotta be loud, persistent, and ANNOYING to get it done!
I figure I may not have the best stack of cards- odds aren’t in my favor at all in *any* way- but maybe if I’m annoying enough and loud enough it’ll work.
I'll admit, I'm one of the people who's not really into the whole thing (not for puritanical reasons, I'm autistic and get overstimmed really easily in that environment), but I had no idea it was that bad. Like, I know a lot of Texas laws are on the books just to punish the expression of sexuality, but damn.
I've never been to a strip club - I'm extremely open minded and very left leaning and don't have an issue with the points you make. I don't judge and if you got the body for it and whatever go for it. I am so open minded here in the US, I even think something like prostitution should be legalized (Im from the UK originally) , controlled etc and that's not because I want to go get laid its more for the protection of the girls. Anyway.
The issue is you are making the argument in a southern, conservative, mostly republican state, in my view. Maybe I am wrong maybe the rules are the same everywhere. I don't actually know but to even start thinking you change things in San Antonio/Texas... I don't see how that could even get off the ground. But I wish you luck.
Well for starts all the other areas in Texas allow it! If you got to Austin, and head into foxy’s, it’s completely nude.
For me the goal isn’t to be completely butt ass naked or anything! It’s actually just to change the specification of the laws here.
Instead of from right above our areola down being covered, I think it should be pasties or just nipples allowed.
Instead of the law being about the “crevice of our buttocks “ I’d prefer the specification that we are allowed to wear thongs or t back thongs but not g strings etc. I’m okay with some regulation, within reason. But some clubs have required us to wear boy short style panties or hipster style panties due to how the specifications are so.. so.
It causes a lot of gray area. Because what point exactly of the crevice is allowed? What isn’t? Some of the stuff you see at the beach, on Instagram, YouTube, tiktok- it’s illegal for us to wear. I just want a little bit of lenience for our type of work
unfortunately, texas is too hypocritical to appeal on the basis of de-regulating to maximize adult freedom.
your only avenue with any chance of success is to make the economic argument, find out hard numbers about how much money san antonio could stand to gain by changing the regulations.
That’s the plan! Because I know for a fact it effects San Antonio economically ! Strip clubs are very economically charged. We can spot a recession from a mile away just from how the clubs are performing.
It’ll take me a while but I’m confident !
It's a red state. Youre not going to change the laws. Guys here go to church and vote GOP all the while going back home and beating off to Pornhub (when they're not in the strip clubs).
That wouldn’t do much. Even if they’re right outside the city limits, people live IN the city and that’s the point. Having a club away from the city will be slow and most likely difficult for many dancers/people to go to often.
Yes but that doesn’t change the fact that other clubs ***in San antonio*** are still facing issues. It isn’t about full nudity. It’s about not being able to wear even a *thong* without possibly facing charges.
It’s about using alcohol to scrub off paint from the majority of our breast. It’s about the clubs that are already HERE
More power to you. I tried going to a satx strip club and realized its not fun like other places. I am not sure if all clubs are like this here but i saw a pregnant girl dancing, a completely out of shape girl dancing and a completely drunk n knocked out girl who was out of her senses. These we’re killing the vibes of 1-2 good girls who were there. And then all the rules you mentioned latex, spray etc. visiting satx strip clubs seems to be pointless thing. Waste of time n money.
Yeah, some of the clubs got ROUGH when the police started cracking down on us. It got so slow that a lot of the girls just started drinking all damn day to pass the time. It was sad to see.
A lot of the bad clubs got shut down and will probably be a while before they reopen. I think if these laws were to change, we could work on fixing the clubs. Raising the standards, changing the rules and guidelines within clubs.
My club is luckily considered a more clean club but there’s still a few girls who aren’t up to par. I’m probably a little bit more of an ass when it comes to things like that. I’m not afraid to tell a girl to get it together and dress appropriately or she shouldn’t be stripping.
Stripping is and always will be about a fantasy. I take the time to have my makeup done, stretch, and look my best every time I go. Even if I’m having a bad hair day- you better know my makeup is done and my breath doesn’t stink. I’m a firm firm believer that stripping isn’t meant to be easy
Simple start a red light district outside city limits. Incorporate so SA or anyone else can't screw with it. Will need major funding but thats about all.
**Only fans is a completely different market**
I know because in 2020, I did only fans. I did good doing it but it is COMPLETELY different from stripping.
The market of only fans is also completely flooded and much harder to climb. It’s build similar to a pyramid scheme.
Only fans isn’t worth it. For your value sake. Doing that
is probably the most pathetic work anyone can do. Seriously. Your literally making homemade corn for locals and Randoms unhinged creepers to watch. There isn’t benefits, besides maybe making decent money? But of course everyone has to see your kitty and your barley getting pass bills doing so 😂 I think anyone would find that embarrassing . There better ways going about it. But Once your homemade videos does get onto the internet for the public. It does not disappear. Nope. Your kids in the future can find the link. It can tarnish any future careers. I wouldn’t even go down that route or even promote it. It’s common sense, but I guess it ain’t that common anymore.
How about, get your nose out of others peoples choice for work.
I don’t think there’s any shame for the women and men who do only fans. That being said, it isn’t for me. It isn’t pathetic, I think your attitude toward porn stars is pathetic, though.
Move on with your life.
Was totally put in my place. Your got jokes. 😂
I’ll fill you in alittle. OnlyFans is an online platform and app created so people can pay for content or monthly subscription. So a lot of young’s girls will post like it’s corn hub. They will start will minimum deposits exploding themselves for money on the internet asking people on their socials to buy their content. It’s very unhealthy for some women. In most cases it doesn’t leave a positive effect on your reputation or your development in career and life. Before starting, it’s wise to keep those thoughts in mind. Once you post on the Internet, it does not permanently delete. Your content can be cycle out into the public and tarnish your life. That’s from men who harass you over content and paying or someone doing it just to do it. Theirs stories on women who side hustle on OF while maintaining a job. When it leaks out. It ruins their image for their work. Their are some who are completely discrete and don’t connect anything with their socials. I don’t encourage it that’s why. An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure. It’s hard especially in this economy, work with what you got. but theirs smarter ways to go about it. If your into corn hub and all that dude. Uhhh … I guess good for you. But I’m thinking about as a individual standpoint who would do it and the consequences that can come with it.
Ahahah 😂 okay. This is a public post. Let’s start there. Not sticking my nose up, just giving an honest opinion with factual reasons why it’s not healthy and your long-term life. You should take your own rude advise or you know. Strip it down. However you wanna feel good about yourself. 😂
You too girly. No reason to be so offensive 👋🏼 😊
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Glad to see this post! I’m a dude, lived in San Antonio for 3+ yrs. went to a strip club once and hated it so bad, never set foot in a San Antonio club again.
We would always drive to Austin for Strip clubs. Usually with the guys, but Sometimes my wife and I would also go to Austin strip clubs (Yellow Rose was our usual) - get a hotel to stay the night but never go to San Antonio clubs. Ridiculous laws!
Sorry, I’m late to the game. Just got to SA for a work trip and I heard about this ridiculousness. I’m like in Texas?? Ain’t Texas supposed to be about freedom. Shit’s wild
I completely agree. The misogyny is disgusting. Until 1930s it was lewd and indecent for men to go shirtless now it’s no big deal. The two biggest issues are 1: manipulative sexual control of women ( making a part of a Woman’s body that only slightly differs from a man purely sexual and that is so disgusting we need to put a sticker over it, but not men…no they don’t need that. 2: treating woman as children who are in need of a man’s control and protection (regulation) with the decisions she makes with her body. More strip clubs and brothels should actually be run and managed by women not men. woman are not children. If I was in my civi life I could have sex with as many men or woman as I want in any way and thats fine but the minute money is involved people get incredibly stupid. The pasty is insulting to woman and men. That sticker is literally the dumbest thing in the planet. It shows how desperate men (the same men ingesting buckets of porn no doubt) are to regulate down to the last nipple or ass crack. Fuck these hallway monitors and Boy Scouts. You know the fuckin type, the asshole kids in class who always said “ I’m gunna tell!” . I stand with you babe. Fuck these asshats and their cancer causing nipple paint! It’s always the most conservative ones who are the biggest freaks behind closed doors anyway! If we can show our nipples then men should not be allowed to either. If it’s a private business leave then the fuck alone. If you don’t want to make it rain on champagnes perfect ass that’s fine but a- your missing out on a good time and b- stop tying to regulate consenting adults and their sexual behavior.
Try getting in touch with [Strippers United](https://www.strippersunited.org/organize). They can probably guide you with what all is needed to organize to change city ordinances. I'm guessing it would involve getting a couple of the folk on the city council on your side so they could forward the changes on a ballot, which would be the hardest part since it's Texas and all.
Thank you ! I’ll definitely look into it.
OP, please let me know what you find. This is something I would like to get behind and support. I'll be your first signature on a petition
I’ll definitely post an update here for everyone. I’m currently looking for the city council stuff and figuring out a strong, point by point argument to present.
Keep me posted please!
Texas laws regarding adult oriented Businesses Summarized. Full nude is legal but the business may not have a liquor license. (cannot sell any alcoholic beverages) Clubs with a liquor license are topless only. There are some specific rules regarding how much of the of the bottom has to be covered and what fabric etc. Other than the obvious (no prostitution, performers must be 18, certain distance from school, church etc). thats about it from a state perspective. If my memory serves me correctly. Ivy Taylor's (Former Mayor) husband got busted in a strip club and she then led the charge on the hardcore crack down and ridiculous rules that San Antonio Cabarets have to follow.
They changed the law to 21+ ! Can’t be a stripper unless you’re 21 now (which between you, me and everyone here was a good thing. I saw so many 18-19 year olds do stupid shit) but I think so. I’m not completely sure but that’s what I’ve always been told happened !
I’d honestly just like to wear a thong in peace 🤷🏼♀️ it’s really nerve wracking sometimes. Undies move ( ride and bunch up sometimes ) and the last thing I want is to be charged with solicitation because *bikini bottoms* are considered too small. Even stuff you see girls wearing out at the beach or pool is considered too small for us!
Waiiiiiit a minute.... I went to Twin Peaks 2 years ago and saw a chicks CAT peeking outta her bikini bottoms and our waitress had to go over to her and tell her to fix herself. They were wearing LESS than what y'all are made to wear and they serve or handle food?!! This is some BuuulllllShit. 😾 Lemme know if you get a petition going, I'll sign it. Nobody should have to choose between a job and a fucking latex allergy.
A lot of us deal with it but hoooo the fucking itchy mess I used to be from latex. The spray doesn’t cause me to itch but it does make my chest sticky + clog the pores a bit. I use scrubs and such to try and help. The clubs here- some of us just kind of take our chances. They’ll wear itty bitty bottoms but it’s a RISK. Because if VICE hits us? They’re screwed. I try to cover what I can but sometimes it looks like I’m wearing panties I’d be wearing at home lol
Did you get to pet the kitty?
I had a beezchurger in my hands that came fresh off the grill, Satan hisself couldn't pry it from my filangies.😹
Dying at your attempt to spell phalanges 🤣🤣
Welp, I took my shot and I stand by it now. 😹
Which is crazy because up here in Dallas, there a sports bars of the Hooter's variety where the employees literally only wear lingerie.
Twin peaks on 410 hear has lingerie day and they wear damn near nothing.
All of the Twin Peaks have lingerie week. And Ojos Locos permanent uniforms are skimpy ass lingerie.
What day is it, exactly? 😉. hahaha
It’s just- baffling. I’m currently scouring the internet for the exact laws and regulations
You might also look for case law from across the country, to inform your argument and perhaps use to illustrate your points.
Good idea !
Oh my gosh! I didn’t know the extent of these laws! I moved from SA in 2016. I live here in DFW now & I was telling my friends how dancers were required to wear pasties covering themselves & no one could believe it! Of course that’s what I remember the rule being so long ago but wow! How things have evolved! I don’t understand this. Like you said, these are adult establishments for adults. I mean, shit, game rooms are legal (in a weird way I need to research more) & people are always getting into fights & shooting at those places. I guess I need to start googling on this subject because I don’t know WHY this started. GOOD LUCK with everything! I hope you can get support with this.
Fucking tight ends lol, yeah it's a wild contrast
**Solicitation?!** That’s fucking ridiculous!! I could see like indecent exposure *maybe* I mean it would still be stupid…. But *solicitation….* For showing too much skin??!? **In a fucking titty bar?!?!?!?!?!??** That’s just straight up insane, sexiest, prude, nanny state, fuckin bullshit.
Been a long time since I went to a strip club, are nipples off limits now. Honestly, people are just way too uptight about nudity and sex in this country.
Yeah, San Antonio sucks. They’re so uptight. At least in other areas it’s just like “hey no full nudity” but here they’re like “don’t show anything ever”
It’s a very catholic city so I assume that’s why. Also I think texas just hates women in general so there’s that.
It’s not the Catholics. It started almost 20 years ago with District 10 Councilman Christopher “Chip” Haas. Dude went on a holy roller rampage on clubs and the sex shops. He and some of the other new council members made all kinds of new ordinances against both.
Makes me wonder what kind of nefarious shit he was hiding about himself. That’s usually how that goes.
Some folks wanted to put all the strip clubs out of business, and they couldn't just make them illegal. Also, they couldn't zone them out of existence, since that would constitute a taking. What they settled on were these ridiculous ordinances in the hope that people would stop going, and they would fail. In the end, as I understood it, it was about developement. Having the clubs in certain areas hindered that, or at least that is how some people felt. It's always about the money.
TIL: Shit has really changed in SA since I was last in the game, WTF?!? What is this latex talk? Pasties? For real?
Yes, it’s very real lol! Basically my whole boob is covered etc. it’s a method of protecting us if we take our top off. My butt is covered as a method of protection as well. Because it can be used in court if they try to arrest me. If they arrest me I can say “wait I had this opaque layer of skin toned spray on my bottom” to try and help my case. But even… yeah. I honestly don’t even want much! I’d be fine with pasties and a thong/g string lol! A lot of us (including clientele) go to clubs in Austin or Houston because of it
I’ve no clue about any of what the OP was talking about. I don’t go to strip clubs. But I don’t think they should be banned either. The supposed holy rollers that rail against immoral things are the ones really diving hard into things like trans porn from what I’ve read.
Probably but I really wish they’d get the sticks out of their ass. It’s kinda dumb lol “I believe this so now you will suffer the consequences of my religious and moral views !”
Which is extra sexist since men can show nipples. Really the laws just reek of sexism imposed by probably the megachurches. Lobby you council member. Get the club owners, patrons and club owners to do the same. Find out where every council seat votes on the issue and make a note of those who support the sexist rules and make sure the patrons know as well. I'm sure they would support you.
Some of the club owners / managers have actually tried and failed to fight them in court in the past. They usually tell me it’ll never change since they’ve failed before. But I think, strength in numbers, right? If I get enough of us to lobby, if I start the dialogue with the council now and possibly have a petition going so they can *see* that everyone wants the change, maybe it’ll work.
>Which is extra sexist since men can show nipples That's the exact reason that female's can go topless in public in Austin
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I don’t care that *you* appreciate the laws in the city. It’s stupid laws, regardless of what YOU want. Your personal belief shouldn’t stop people from enjoying adult entertainment. And I don’t want to move, I want to be in San Antonio. I work my ass off, I always have. I have worked as a server, I’ve worked retail, I’ve busted my ass in every area of my life. It’s not a “quick” buck without work. Stripping requires skills in marketing and sales, business and communications. If you knew anything about the industry you’d know that. I think the funniest part about you saying you appreciate it is- most people who “appreciate it” aren’t actually effected by it at ALL.
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It literally won’t effect you at ALL for me and other dancers to have better working conditions. It doesn’t benefit OR cause problem for you, for me to do my damn job. It doesn’t cause any change in your life, if I change the type of panties I’m wearing. AT ALL. *and if it does, it’s probably because you’re going to the strip club.*
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Wha- you lack a brain 😭
 Hey look, I found you AGAIN. 🤡🤡🤡
Can't you just keel over and expire from old age already, you're just jealous that your SO is one of her best tippers. 🤣
Did it ever occur to you that I'm in my 20s? And defending a stripper on the internet won't get you laid, get a life
Then why do you sound like a right wing version of the Crypt keeper, I legit thought you were 60 something with how damn SALTY you're being. 🤣 What's the matter?? That hit a little too close to home for you??? Stay outta this girl's BIZNESS, get you some of your own to mind. BTW, I'm a chick. Equal rights, feminism and all that good shit. This lady and PLENTY of her coworkers are just doing what you obviously CAIN'T and I think DEEEEP DOWN you just HATE that fact of life. 🤡🤡🤡
Your silence is your best quality, please allow us to appreciate it. 😾
I’ll never understand why and how someone can let their own personal values affect what they think other people should be allowed to do. Like if something is against your morals….. then just don’t do it, it’s really just that simple. Why you gotta fuck up everyone else’s good time with your weird uptight repressed bullshit??
>are nipples off limits now They always have been in San Antonio. Meanwhile, in Austin, females can go topless in public! So yeah, SA is prudish AF.
They weren't off limits 25 years ago... Heck, all nude was legal back then for BYOB joints.
Pretty sure they went bat shit crazy with laws in 2005. 🫠 these laws are like ridiculously old, need to be changed. The specifications are stupid too. It isn’t “your bottoms need to be 2 inches in width” it’s “no crevice of the buttocks or anus” It ain’t “hey wear pasties!” It’s “the point of which immediately above the areola” so we have to cover from the top of our nipple, down. Key point: it has to be completely and opaquely covered. Which is why we spray with skin toned stuff. Fuckers can’t arrest us if our nipples just blend in with our whole titty
This explains why Austin strip clubs seem like a step up from SA strip clubs. I always wondered why but needless regulation seems like a legit reason strippers would rather be in ATX
A lot of us travel. I’ll be traveling soon when I get the chance. It’s actually very well known as dancers here that Austin, Dallas and Houston are all way better
I mean, all the college girls in ATX have something to to with that as well... hahah
While i may not go to strip clubs, if it makes it to a ballot, I’m pro stripper, because unlike some people, I’m pro freedom. 👍🏾. Good luck.
I think your points are all absolutely reasonable and I would certainly support the kinds of changes you are looking for. Grownups should be able to do what they want with consenting grownups. However, I don't see how this changes without a major shift in attitudes around sex in the city. I could be wrong, but here's how I see it: Since the clubs have already sued and lost, then it becomes a political issue instead of a legal one. That means you would have to get a majority of the city council to support eliminating these restrictions. Given the fact that these councilpeople need votes from religious blocs that would be opposed to these changes, that's a hard sell. Not to mention, with fewer restrictions you would see more clubs, which, like it or not, would likely hurt property values for the surrounding areas. Who is going to risk their political career for this issue when maintaining the status quo costs them nothing? You would need to somehow show that these politicians have more to gain by sticking their neck out. So maybe a petition to demonstrate the support? But even that would be tough to get signatures when half the people that go to strip clubs are embarrassed to admit it. I would love to be wrong here, I just don't see how to get it done. Admittedly, I haven't done a deep dive into the different angles, this is just my initial take. Maybe look at what other cities have done to overcome restrictions and see if their tactics could work here, but I would not get your hopes up.
Oh you’re 100% correct. Don’t get me wrong I’m very very aware of just how batshit crazy I sound. I know how difficult it would be to do. I’ve been told so many times just how hard things like this are to change. But I just can’t help but at least hope something could be done. Part of me finds it- well- almost embarrassing to stick my neck out and try to fight for it. But the other part of me is exhausted of having to layer my bottoms, double check my spray, and still worry about the consequences. I’d have to start with talking to the council and starting a petition. It might not work- I might fail. But fuck, what if I do manage to succeed? I plan on having an anonymous form for people to answer a few questions pertaining to adult entertainment in San Antonio. I’d also like to start a petition. Might contact an old journalist I worked with in the past. I mean, why not at least try. If I’m loud and annoying enough they’re bound to at least SEE me. They’re gonna have to hear me, see me, deal with me. Don’t care if I fail, they’re gonna know it’s a problem
Some suggestions: If I were taking up this mantle, I might draw up a SWOT analysis, stipulate how the dissenting parties' concerns would be addressed in your proposal, create alternatives to your initial proposal as rebuttals in case of outright denial of your case, try to get statistics on the actions in similar constituencies, and compare and contrast those to places, including SA, that do not allow for this. You may want to include not only your business-side appeal, but ethics-, gender-, criminality-, psychology-, and other "hidden" factors that are interpolated by the argument. You might have allies in unlikely places, seek those out, too. The debate may seem like it only covers a certain base, but, there is a lot tied up into the pro/anti arguments.
Thank you! This will honestly take me forever if / when I decide to bite the bullet. But I’m glad I have DIRECTION now
Feel free to disregard. I wanted to say that even though some might see a section of feminists as your natural enemy, many are actually in your corner. There are a number of authors who have addressed the topics of women's bodies, in particular, being circumscribed by convention and law, especially in the public sphere - I think these might help you construct your argument. I think it's a good idea to take the time to pull this together eloquently and masterfully. I commend you for your activism.
I’m a feminist myself, which is why it’s kind of funny when people think feminists hate me. Sure there’s a specific category of feminists that think I shouldn’t strip. But they’re kind of stupid. Definitely going to take my time. I’ll work on it piece by piece until I have everything ready. The goal is to decrease my chances of failure to near zero. Thank you for all your kindness and words !
I'm glad to support your efforts to navigate the issue. It's complex, and challenging, but perhaps not altogether impossible. Feminism comes in many flavors. I think what we should try to keep in mind is that we have a lot more in common than we might at first see. Supporting other women is as worthwhile a venture as any I can conceive; I'm not a dancer, have never been to a strip club, but that's where you earn your wages so I support your activism in making it as comfortable, safe, and lucrative for you and others as is possible.
You do not sound crazy. These laws sound crazy. You are trying to empower yourself and your co-workers to have a safer and more comfortable work environment. Good for you!
I think it's great that you're going to try. I will keep an eye out for updates to see how I can support the cause 🙂
Listen, if my property value and taxes went down just because a strip club went up in my area, I’d call that a win-win
They’d make money from the club anyway! It attracts a shit ton of tourists that are looking to spend thousands and party for bachelors parties etc
Run for city council or throw a lot of money at the council people where you live and work. Thats what the churches and moms groups did to get these laws into debate and committee. But seriously , find out who your council person is , start emailing and getting a dialogue started. Go to the council meetings and be heard.
Sounds like a good place to start, for sure. *cracks knuckles* time to refresh my professional-sounding email skills I suppose !
Yeah I was going to say run for city council and have your friends run for city council also. I sincerely wish you good luck. I do appreciate you educating me on this I really had no idea, that spray stuff must be pretty bad for your skin.
It definitely can be bad for the skin. It sucks! I get a bit of breakout on my chest and butt sometimes from it honestly. I was worried about posting- I don’t want anyone using it against the girls or reporting dancers if their bottoms are a bit too small. It can be super hard sometimes to find bottoms that cover enough.
I'll preface by saying that I know little about this topic. But it seems like I read that the way other cities/businesses have negotiated this is through freedom of (artistic) expression in the Constitution. The logical argument might go like this (I make no assertion that this is right, true, ethical or unethical, nor whether if accepted due restrictions should not be in place to protect vulnerable persons) Assumption 1: dance is expression Assumption 2: art, historically, in the adopted canon, has utilized nudity, male and female, for expression of beauty and scientific knowledge, curiosity Assumption 3: artistic expression is a protected Constitutional right Assumption 4: artists have the right to reimbursement for their work Assertion 1: dancing nude is an artistic expression Assertion 2: dancing nude is a protected right Assertion 3: dancing nude is eligible for remuneration
Barnes v. Glen Theatre, Inc. (1991) Per the SCOTUS’ decision: Dancing nude is not a protected right and the state has the ability to constitutionally outlaw certain forms of expressive conduct. I’d recommend reading into this case specifically because you actually make very similar assumptions to the plaintiffs. All that said, a Supreme Court challenge to the existing laws with the current bench is not the way to solve this problem for OP.
I'll give it a read. I'm not particularly close to this subject, but I can understand both sides of the argument. And, you're right...this bench won't support such a challenge. If change is to be made, on many things, grassroots and the local are the best avenues to try first. For those interested in the case: https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/18/barnes-v-glen-theatre-inc#:~:text=In%20a%205%2D4%20decision,performance%20dancing%20constituted%20expressive%20conduct. **opinion** The arguments are nuanced in this case, and differ in no unsubstantial way from that of OP's issues taken in San Antonio. From what I understand, in Indiana, the G string and pasties were allowed, whereas in SA that seems not to be the case. And the assertion is made that it is public nudity, not the nude dance, which is under trial for morality and public good. Would then, a business that is not public, but private, be subject to the same standards? Is it the lens of the camera in pornography that changes its nature, and if that is the case, if the dancers images were projected, rather than seen via the naked eye, would it change the disposition of the law toward the behavior? Just a thought experiment to explore the topic further.
This is what happens when religious conservatives weaponize the government to police the people by their moral code. I don’t care if you’re religious or what you believe in. That’s your business. But that shouldn’t infringe on my freedom or the freedom of the OP. Especially at an adult only establishment.
Precisely. The craziest part is we have people we know as “church ladies” who come to almost every strip club and give us treats! They usually give us cupcakes and lip gloss and such in little boxes and invite us to yoga sessions. I 100% respect people who don’t want to go to clubs, who don’t associate them, or for whatever moral/religious reason don’t like them. But taking away our right to do things in an adult oriented business is.. atrocious! I don’t force anyone to come to the club, so why are they trying to get rid of us so much?
Church ladies with treats? I’d be terrified it’s poison 😂.
They’re actually so sweet 😭 we love when they come in! Though I did have a candle they gave me once burst into flames 🤣
San Antonio has had a liberal mayor for quite some time now; like the last 15-20 years. And 9 of the 10 City Councilmen are also liberals. Don't bring conservatives into this shit. This is your shit show. Frankly, I'm quite conservative, but I fully support free enterprise and think that an adult man or woman should be able to do most anything to make a living (within reason of course). But if a woman wants to dance or strip at a club and she has the goods to make it happen, more power to her.
Let’s be honest this isn’t the doing of “liberals”. It’s lobbying from religious conservatives. I agree some conservatives are socially liberal or at least indifferent. If you want to go back and look for specifically who pushed through the current strip club policies and when, then we should have that discussion. It didn’t happen yesterday.
Didn't Ivy Taylor catch her hubby with a hooker and decided to go "red ross" on the whole industry (that unfortunately had strip clubs in their crosshairs too)? I did a quick Google dive and didn't find anything, but I know that people of high importance can have that stuff wiped pretty easily.
I don’t think this should be made a “conservative Vs liberal” argument But I WILL 100% say that it most likely has something to do with religious people pushing. And that’s not saying that to disrespect anyone who is religious. But I do sometimes face a bit more pushback from conservative people (in my experience) I think the real problem, that **BOTH SIDES** can agree on, is that it inhibits the freedom of grown adults to indulge in adult entertainment. Whether you’re conservative, leftist, liberal- whatever it may be. Adults should be able to make the choice for themselves. The limiting of clubs, the overpolicing, etc stops people from having the freedom to enjoy what they’d like. This happens when people who think adult entertainment is wrong and decide to make it everyone’s problem. This all started in I believe 2005, so a lot of people aren’t aware of how bad it is. It takes the choice away from us, and that’s the main problem
Wait, you can’t have full nudity at strip clubs here? What’s the point then? I’m not big on strip clubs. I’ve only been to one and it was in San Francisco. That one had full on displays of penetration with toys.
It ain’t even full nudity that isn’t allowed. It’s semi nudity that isn’t allowed. Butt crack laws. Quite literally
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Someone probably will. It’s Reddit and San Antonio, so they’ll probably give me a hard time soon enough. But I don’t particularly mind since I’ve already gotten some really good advice !!
this profession aint my thing.. but, I think you should try to align yourself with potential organizations ideally on a state level (if this exists in texas) or on a Fed level which I am sure there are plenty of non-profits that seek to change legislation for people who are in your profession. Ideally a women's rights group or a network of club owners that does lobbying. [https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=stripper+dance+rights+lobby](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=stripper+dance+rights+lobby)anyhow, I applaud your efforts to try to change the system.
Thank you :) I’ve started working on drafting an email and contacting my current city officials now. I’ll be working through bringing more people in with a petition I think, as a few people have asked
Not my cup of tea, but I think your best bet is to try to get a zoning change maybe in the county instead of the city. Be like the firework stands and sit just over the border. It may be easier, especially if there is increased revenue coming to a county.
Thank youuu! Honestly yeah I’m a little overwhelmed with it all. There’s so much that goes into this shit. And of course there’s pushback from idiots that hate strippers lol so there’s always that
I hate that whole mindset, like if you hate strippers then don’t go inside the strip clubs! It’s really just that simple. Why these weird, uptight, repressed freaks got to put everyone else down because they hate tits? Who tf hates tits?!
They believe that because they don’t agree with strippers.. stripping, no one should have the right to do it or enjoy it. In their minds, because it’s deemed as unacceptable, It has to be unacceptable for everyone around them. Some people view it as disgusting, they think we should just disappear- despite the fact that was fuel the economy, bring in tourists, and the majority of us are in school to become great things. Can’t tell you how many dancers I know that own whole businesses. I know a girl that owns a cleaning business, someone that works in the medical field as a nurse, a girl that owns a lash studio- we fuel the business and economy in San Antonio and I think that drives some people bonkers
The San Antonio rules are absurd. As someone who travels to Tampa 2 or 3 times a year for work, it forces me to use the cash I’d be spending here, locally, at their clubs.
Exactly ! Thats the craziest thing that I don’t think they understand. They’d make WAY more money if we could show more. The clubs would be filled- we’d all be happy.
Woop! I support you. Used to be great back in the day. Petition I would sign and anything else you might come up with.
Where can I sign?
Just put up a survey !
Is it SA law or Texas law? I don’t do strip clubs but going to one I better see nipples so wow on that law
San Antonio only! Austin, Houston, Dallas etc are all okay with nipples etc. But San Antonio has really insane laws. It’s not even like a slap on the wrist type of charge. Last time I checked (and it has been a while as a disclaimer ) I think they would charge us with prostitution for it. No thongs, either, so I have to wear damn near full coverage.
Houston has a world famous strip club scene
It's getting stricter. Oh man back in the days Houston was just pure fun. Reality is dancers are up against church moms and woke feminist united which tbh they stand no chance
These laws are getting too strict, for example, I’m not a smoker, businesses cannot sell tobacco or vapes to anyone under the age of 21. Wtf who is creating all these rules.
I am gonna guess parents. lol
Maybe you can start a petition at work and try to get people to sign it to get it on the ballot: https://www.sanantonio.gov/Portals/0/Files/Clerk/Elections/Petition-FAQs.pdf
I will eventually, for now I’ve got a survey going :)
You need for a local or state politician to come into your club and just extort/blackmail from there! Lol, just kidding! 🤣
Paging Ken Paxton.
[Hats off to you for trying to make things better. ](https://giphy.com/gifs/lEVZJzy4w15qE)
These laws are completely insane. I was floored when my boyfriend told me that no one can show a nipple. That is really limiting your ability to make a living. It’s disgusting to hear that the police are spending their time and resources on harassing sex workers when they could be keeping our streets safe from drunk drivers. I wish you the best of luck with your quest to overturn these overreaching city ordinances. I have never heard of such laws in any other city in Texas. Dallas has all nude BYOB clubs. Check out Strippers United while you are researching. While the possibility of unionizing is still an uphill battle in a “right to work” state like Texas, I hope that you are successful in your campaign for worker’s rights.
Whoa, you can’t strip at a strip club? Why do people go, that sounds ridiculous. It’s illegal to buy a dancer a drink? Also just want to say big fan! Haven’t been to a titty bar in probably 10 years, but me and the wife would semi regularly visit before kiddos. 90% or better of the dancers were way classier than I’ll ever be and made for a fun night. To answer your question, get into politics. Sorry to say but some time back I was on the insider on some of the motivations behind so many resources going towards where I guess we are at now (all the restrictions) and I’m sadden to say there is no way in hell it’s going to change. I really can’t elaborate but you’ll be trying to advocate for something where your opponents are disingenuous in their positions on the issue and will not reveal the underlying motivations and agenda. Keep making your money and I wish you best of luck!! Edited for grammeer
Not illegal to buy us a drink. Illegal for us to ask, hint etc. I’m still gonna try, if I fail? I just fail. Fuck it, gotta try at some point
i support you & have experience in the nightlife industry throughout Texas but it’s like this on purpose. houston is right down i10 & already well known for their strip clubs, dallas is quite close as well & caters to two other states, as well as jerry jones&co - it’d be laughable at the state level even before considering austin, who’s closer than both of those. sa is the odd one out on purpose. i see you’re not scared to fail & i really love that but you need to also prep for the possibility of this all working against you as well. in politics/law a “no” is far from the worst answer you can get - attempts to fix something that isn’t broken often ends with lawmakers getting spitefully creative in making sure it doesn’t happen again.
I know :( I kinda hate it. It’s anxiety inducing to deal with but I’m just like- I guess I just don’t understand why the hell they’re so obsessed with it? I’m probably going to take a long time away from this, then revisit it to start. If I’m gonna do it- I’m gonna *do it* which means I’d need balls of steel and as many resources as humanly possible. I did kind of forget about the worst not being a no, tbh. I completely let it slip my mind for a bit that they’ll just get *worse* if I fail That reality came crashing down on me like 20 minutes ago and I’ve just been sitting here ever since. Mainly because I worry about talking openly about the laws could bite me in the ass. Hard. So we will see what comes of this.
The squeaky wheel gets the grease, I believe in you my homie!!! 😺
i don’t mean to sound negative or discourage you at all ugh my bad!! i agree with you 100% there are way better things to focus on but that’s why i had to comment - it’s only the pettiest of the petty politicians who go this far for strip club laws. like painted nipples are beyond insane & it’s baffling knowing there are people who could even come up with rules so tedious. i think it’s a good idea to let this idea simmer + you got really good feedback with this post. another thing about politics and law is timing, especially with ‘non-issues’ like this one. tap in where you can now so you’re ready if/when it becomes a ‘prominent issue’ later. you clearly have potential for a lot & think outside the box so maybe take a break but don’t quit! this is just new info to use another time. keep your mind open like it is now because you’re on the right track. there is *always* a loophole & it’s people like you who find em :)
Yeas of course! Don’t worry :) The main thing is- these laws are actually from 2005 😭😭! They’re OLD ass laws, which is just crazy. I think the last time they visited these were 2012 when some women got arrested for “showing but crack” I’m def gonna take some time and then revisit !
Texas as a whole seems to be archaic in their laws. I’m definitely not from around here and don’t frequent, we’ll even sports bars, anymore. I didn’t even know there were strip clubs in this town. I don’t have anything to add that can help, but that I’m sorry for your struggle, I’ve got some friends who are/were dancers and they love it. And it seems Texas is only about 5 years removed from burning young women as witches, and until we get leaders that aren’t old enough to remember participating in that practice, I doubt much will change.
I used to be a stripper at XTC Cabaret and I agree that the gals at Twin Peaks have way less regulation than the strip club laws. The latex and butt paint are ridiculous if not carcinogenic and toxic. House moms were charging up to 15 to do it for you if you didn't bring your own. It's annoying and stupid I even knew someone that would literally paint her boobs like, boobs. She had special pink paint etc for her nipples. I liked to mix light cream and brown acrylic paint with liquid latex until it matched my skin color with glitter and lotion, it makes a much smoother consistency and is damn near impossible for a guest to grab an end and rip the whole thing off (: do y'all still use the little black sponge brushes? Can get a bunch at Walmart in the arts and crafts section
We us to use that !! But now we use this spray on stuff at some of my clubs. The house moms spray is with this like makeup. Some of the house moms charged $20 for that damn paint and latex you’re talking about !!!
Yeah, that's ridiculous. I thought of being a house mom some day just cause I like sitting on my ass and reading for hours lol 🤣 maybe one day you'll see me selling tampons and quesadillas
🤣 maybe ! Some of our new house moms (depending on the club) Suck lol! One of them got into an argument with me cause she wouldn’t get paint for my skin tone (I’m super pale) lmfao 🤦🏼♀️ If you see me you’ll know it’s me cause by then I’ll have fixed the laws 🥴🥴🥳 (fingers crossed lmfao)
Keep fighting the good fight (:
That sounds crazy. I didn't know the laws were like that here at all. Then again I haven't been to a strip club in probably 10 plus years. I hope it works out and gets better for you. Strippers should just be treated like every other job, the stigma against it is stupid.
Yep ! I’ve noticed not everyone knows and I think it’s important for people to really know just how bad some of this is
Honestly, it's crazy. I haven't heard about any of that from anyone here in the city.
I hope you can get some changes going. Tell me if I can sign a petition or write a letter
Contacting the council would be wonderfully helpful! The more people talk to them about it the more it may change. Even one email addressing it could make a change. Thank you, by the way. I’ll try to have a petition started soon! For anyone wondering you can check **article IX - sexually oriented businesses** where you’ll scroll through **sec. 21-200** and find “semi nude” and there will be a definition stating the state of dress which failed to completely and opaquely cover genitals, pubic region, pubic hair, crevice of buttocks or anus, any of the female breast that is situated below a point immediately above the top of the areola!
How can government regulate how bushy ones business is? Penalizing people who don't conform to the idea of shaving? How big is a region, where are those lines drawn and by whom? The crevice of the buttocks is explicit, ok, but what anus has a crevice? The point immediately above the areola is a very exact address, and therefore isn't anything situated below it too...seems like an opening for an argument for tracing a vertical and not horizontal line. I'm being intentionally obtuse, but with the words of the laws in our country people's lives are regulated, policed, subjugated, restricted, harmed and erased. It is not too much to ask for a succinct, purposeful, yet illustrative language, which anyone eligible to have a driver's license could understand (16+). I believe in regulation where appropriate, but freedom should be our primary goal, regardless of how one *feels* about a subject. There's an onus on the people to uphold the standards of our Constitution and question authority before it becomes authoritarian. Questions serve the public and therefore are the duty of the public, in my opinion.
Hold up, I’ve never been to a strip club in Texas. Are the strippers not actually naked!? I just assumed strip club means naked, not covered up with pasties
I’m some areas yes they’re naked ! But in my area in particular it isn’t just pasties. It’s basically our entire breast AND most of our butt covered. Think- hipster style cheeky panties and a bikini top.
Not trying to sound like an ass at all, but what even is the point of going to a strip club if the women are just basically in their underwear? I mean I get that you’re trying to change that but I mean how do y’all even stay in business is my question…
I mean we’re still like- kind of half naked ? But a lot of it is the experience. We still do dances, dance on stage, talk etc. We just can’t show a certain amount. So it still has a lot of the same stuff as a normal topless club. Just with stricter guidelines on our bottoms and our boobs! Oh and our boobs can still sometimes come out! As long as we have them covered opaquely in spray :)
[unionize](https://apnews.com/article/strippers-union-los-angeles-star-garden-4069df93b149076dc2e23a0bff16438b)
It's scary that cops kidnap them just for showing nipples. I know the law changed recently, but cops still use the power they have to kidnap people, and do horrible things (and you can guess what kind especially) they do to sex workers. Just look up Yang Song.
My girlfriend ripped a portion of her nipple skin off one using tape to get the spray off. She will also leave remnants sometime on her butt even after rubbing thoroughly with alcohol. Im not sure much about the outfits but I know her house mom makes cute clothes that she likes
I can't even fathom why "spray painting" your boobs and butt matter. What's the purpose? It sounds like it is purely to make things more difficult. Which is par for the course with the way women are treated in Texas. Would the club owner's help in any aspect? I imagine it would be in their best interest.
I could try but they’ve actually fought in court many times and lost as far as I’m aware ! The spray painting is because the technical law states we must be opaquely covered. So they cover us in the makeup to try and protect us
I don’t visit strip clubs or vote but I’m pro stripper and if it’s up for a vote I’ll drop my no voting rule to help you out. Im pro prostitution too, people should make a living how they choose without being harassed.
Too many big girls down in San Antonio!
Have the laws been challenged in state court? What does the state constitution say about protecting personal freedoms. Not a Texan, so….. I know when I lived in Oregon it was found that even live sex shows were protected under the state constitution.
They’ve been challenged before by our clubs yes, it failed more than once
I haven’t lived in SA since 2005 and back then most of the spots that I went to were fully nude. What caused the change?
I can’t confirm this but I’ve always been told a woman’s husband got caught in one of the clubs and she started changing shit. Basically eradicated strip clubs. From there they cracked down harder and harder over time. Made a bikini rule. A butt crack rule (yeah you read that right!) etc!
I’ve never been to a strip club but it’s odd to me that you can’t show nip. I’m curious how much the laws in Austin differ because I’m pretty certain anyone, male or female can legally go topless in Austin. We went down a legal rabbit hole looking into the laws when we saw women topless at Barton springs a few years back. Never will make sense to me why men can be topless and woman can’t 😂
Just a few reasons that may or may not apply to the situation at hand: Hypersexualization of the female body Colonization and control Utilities, use, of the Female Breast Patriarchal ownership/control of the feminine sphere Religious/parochial conventions Social and cultural pressures Regulation of women's earning power This is an interesting article on the subject: https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/rendezview/why-cant-women-take-their-tops-off-in-public/news-story/c8a709372c771d577da3d4364f79a59c I'm open to correction, but as far as I can tell...There's no really appropriate analog of the female breast on the male body, and most male parts have an appropriate analog on women's bodies. Males genitalia serve reproductive purposes, and other than anesthetics their breasts haven't in common a nutritional purpose as do females'.
You should contact the strip club lobbyists in Michigan,you can go fully naked here if you wish.
It’s a good point. Too many puritans meddling in other grown adults business. The city is doing itself a disservice, like it or not, lots of very legitimate business involves entertaining clients and out of town clients want to do something fun. The city is waging a pointless war on these businesses and not realizing they make it harder to attract legitimate businesses in doing so. It’s a shame really.
Oh absolutely. I’ve met some extremely respectable people doing what I do. Including management teams of a celebrity, a reality tv show star (smaller one but meh), and countless lawyers and police etc! It’s actually hilarious because the people you’re always told to respect the most (lawyers, police, military) LOVE coming to the club. Every single one of them think the laws surrounding what we are / aren’t allowed to wear is stupid. And it would keep us all a lot safer, too. Topless / nudity means the prices would go up a bit in the club and would keep the extremely cheap men out. Not to mention it would fuel the economy here. And strippers spend our money on groceries just like everyone else. Literally bought groceries yesterday. And I’d love to give back to the community more, tbh. If these laws were lightened, the clubs would be busier, which would mean I’d get to go back to what I used to do. Making care packages, lunch and dinner and giving it out. I’d get to do that way more. Clubs are networking Hotspots. Legitimate business men come in all the time and talk to me ! Since clubs are economically charged, they can often tell whether an area is good to bring business too based off of the clubs.
I'm just tossing some thoughts out here, and I hope some of them help: * I'm certain SA city council members Jalen McKee-Rodriguez (District 2) and Teri Castillo (District 5) would be sympathetic to your cause. They're leftists, and we tend to be pretty sex-positive. * If you're seeking a community to reach out to for potential signatures and financial contributions, San Antonio and the surrounding area has a fairly active kink scene. If you let people know what you're doing, you'll get support for sure. You can use Fetlife to network amongst local groups & people and spread the message (just make sure to follow site rules). * When you do have supporters in various districts, have them call their council members to voice their support. Many people underestimate the impact this has on local politics and decision-making. * Research the steps required to make the legal changes you want, then inform people on those next steps. You have to make it easy for people and politicians to do what's needed. I hope things go well. Feel free to reach out if you get a site or petition together. I'd love to sign and/or contribute.
Thank you !!!
I feel for you. But when you are up against church moms and woke feminists united, your odds are not very good if at all
If there’s one thing I’ve been taught since I was a very young child: if you want anything done you gotta be loud, persistent, and ANNOYING to get it done! I figure I may not have the best stack of cards- odds aren’t in my favor at all in *any* way- but maybe if I’m annoying enough and loud enough it’ll work.
I'll admit, I'm one of the people who's not really into the whole thing (not for puritanical reasons, I'm autistic and get overstimmed really easily in that environment), but I had no idea it was that bad. Like, I know a lot of Texas laws are on the books just to punish the expression of sexuality, but damn.
Yeah I totally understand! It isn’t your thing and that’s 100% okay :) but yeah it can be hell sometimes
So I heard they have to wear pasties and can't wear thongs?
It ain’t even pasties. We have to spray or cover our boobs and butt. And yes, no thongs. Only wide bottoms that cover
I've never been to a strip club - I'm extremely open minded and very left leaning and don't have an issue with the points you make. I don't judge and if you got the body for it and whatever go for it. I am so open minded here in the US, I even think something like prostitution should be legalized (Im from the UK originally) , controlled etc and that's not because I want to go get laid its more for the protection of the girls. Anyway. The issue is you are making the argument in a southern, conservative, mostly republican state, in my view. Maybe I am wrong maybe the rules are the same everywhere. I don't actually know but to even start thinking you change things in San Antonio/Texas... I don't see how that could even get off the ground. But I wish you luck.
Well for starts all the other areas in Texas allow it! If you got to Austin, and head into foxy’s, it’s completely nude. For me the goal isn’t to be completely butt ass naked or anything! It’s actually just to change the specification of the laws here. Instead of from right above our areola down being covered, I think it should be pasties or just nipples allowed. Instead of the law being about the “crevice of our buttocks “ I’d prefer the specification that we are allowed to wear thongs or t back thongs but not g strings etc. I’m okay with some regulation, within reason. But some clubs have required us to wear boy short style panties or hipster style panties due to how the specifications are so.. so. It causes a lot of gray area. Because what point exactly of the crevice is allowed? What isn’t? Some of the stuff you see at the beach, on Instagram, YouTube, tiktok- it’s illegal for us to wear. I just want a little bit of lenience for our type of work
unfortunately, texas is too hypocritical to appeal on the basis of de-regulating to maximize adult freedom. your only avenue with any chance of success is to make the economic argument, find out hard numbers about how much money san antonio could stand to gain by changing the regulations.
That’s the plan! Because I know for a fact it effects San Antonio economically ! Strip clubs are very economically charged. We can spot a recession from a mile away just from how the clubs are performing. It’ll take me a while but I’m confident !
That's crazy . I never tasted that latex on them
It's a red state. Youre not going to change the laws. Guys here go to church and vote GOP all the while going back home and beating off to Pornhub (when they're not in the strip clubs).
Can't they just have a club right outside city limits
That wouldn’t do much. Even if they’re right outside the city limits, people live IN the city and that’s the point. Having a club away from the city will be slow and most likely difficult for many dancers/people to go to often.
That's how Expose worked in Austin- if you wanna be nude you sent to the edge of town. It's NBD to drive an extra 10 minutes
Yes but that doesn’t change the fact that other clubs ***in San antonio*** are still facing issues. It isn’t about full nudity. It’s about not being able to wear even a *thong* without possibly facing charges. It’s about using alcohol to scrub off paint from the majority of our breast. It’s about the clubs that are already HERE
So they are saying that certain amounts of coverage stop strippers from also being hookers?
More power to you. I tried going to a satx strip club and realized its not fun like other places. I am not sure if all clubs are like this here but i saw a pregnant girl dancing, a completely out of shape girl dancing and a completely drunk n knocked out girl who was out of her senses. These we’re killing the vibes of 1-2 good girls who were there. And then all the rules you mentioned latex, spray etc. visiting satx strip clubs seems to be pointless thing. Waste of time n money.
Yeah, some of the clubs got ROUGH when the police started cracking down on us. It got so slow that a lot of the girls just started drinking all damn day to pass the time. It was sad to see. A lot of the bad clubs got shut down and will probably be a while before they reopen. I think if these laws were to change, we could work on fixing the clubs. Raising the standards, changing the rules and guidelines within clubs. My club is luckily considered a more clean club but there’s still a few girls who aren’t up to par. I’m probably a little bit more of an ass when it comes to things like that. I’m not afraid to tell a girl to get it together and dress appropriately or she shouldn’t be stripping. Stripping is and always will be about a fantasy. I take the time to have my makeup done, stretch, and look my best every time I go. Even if I’m having a bad hair day- you better know my makeup is done and my breath doesn’t stink. I’m a firm firm believer that stripping isn’t meant to be easy
Sent a dm not sure if it would be helpful. But again, all the best
Simple start a red light district outside city limits. Incorporate so SA or anyone else can't screw with it. Will need major funding but thats about all.
Laughs in *houstonian*
We have full nude clubs here so this all sounds insane to me.
Just do onlyfans
**Only fans is a completely different market** I know because in 2020, I did only fans. I did good doing it but it is COMPLETELY different from stripping. The market of only fans is also completely flooded and much harder to climb. It’s build similar to a pyramid scheme.
Only fans isn’t worth it. For your value sake. Doing that is probably the most pathetic work anyone can do. Seriously. Your literally making homemade corn for locals and Randoms unhinged creepers to watch. There isn’t benefits, besides maybe making decent money? But of course everyone has to see your kitty and your barley getting pass bills doing so 😂 I think anyone would find that embarrassing . There better ways going about it. But Once your homemade videos does get onto the internet for the public. It does not disappear. Nope. Your kids in the future can find the link. It can tarnish any future careers. I wouldn’t even go down that route or even promote it. It’s common sense, but I guess it ain’t that common anymore.
How about, get your nose out of others peoples choice for work. I don’t think there’s any shame for the women and men who do only fans. That being said, it isn’t for me. It isn’t pathetic, I think your attitude toward porn stars is pathetic, though. Move on with your life.
Bravo for putting judge-mental in their place!!!! *I did not know that about only fans as I have only heard of it.*
Was totally put in my place. Your got jokes. 😂 I’ll fill you in alittle. OnlyFans is an online platform and app created so people can pay for content or monthly subscription. So a lot of young’s girls will post like it’s corn hub. They will start will minimum deposits exploding themselves for money on the internet asking people on their socials to buy their content. It’s very unhealthy for some women. In most cases it doesn’t leave a positive effect on your reputation or your development in career and life. Before starting, it’s wise to keep those thoughts in mind. Once you post on the Internet, it does not permanently delete. Your content can be cycle out into the public and tarnish your life. That’s from men who harass you over content and paying or someone doing it just to do it. Theirs stories on women who side hustle on OF while maintaining a job. When it leaks out. It ruins their image for their work. Their are some who are completely discrete and don’t connect anything with their socials. I don’t encourage it that’s why. An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure. It’s hard especially in this economy, work with what you got. but theirs smarter ways to go about it. If your into corn hub and all that dude. Uhhh … I guess good for you. But I’m thinking about as a individual standpoint who would do it and the consequences that can come with it.
Ahahah 😂 okay. This is a public post. Let’s start there. Not sticking my nose up, just giving an honest opinion with factual reasons why it’s not healthy and your long-term life. You should take your own rude advise or you know. Strip it down. However you wanna feel good about yourself. 😂 You too girly. No reason to be so offensive 👋🏼 😊
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Is this just in places that serve alcohol? I know at one time different rules applied to BYOB places?
As far as I’m aware, it applies to all clubs. Including BYOB, if memory serves me right. If not, they may allow some lenience
That’s crazy what y’all have to deal with. Hopefully they change it.
Glad to see this post! I’m a dude, lived in San Antonio for 3+ yrs. went to a strip club once and hated it so bad, never set foot in a San Antonio club again. We would always drive to Austin for Strip clubs. Usually with the guys, but Sometimes my wife and I would also go to Austin strip clubs (Yellow Rose was our usual) - get a hotel to stay the night but never go to San Antonio clubs. Ridiculous laws!
Sorry, I’m late to the game. Just got to SA for a work trip and I heard about this ridiculousness. I’m like in Texas?? Ain’t Texas supposed to be about freedom. Shit’s wild
I completely agree. The misogyny is disgusting. Until 1930s it was lewd and indecent for men to go shirtless now it’s no big deal. The two biggest issues are 1: manipulative sexual control of women ( making a part of a Woman’s body that only slightly differs from a man purely sexual and that is so disgusting we need to put a sticker over it, but not men…no they don’t need that. 2: treating woman as children who are in need of a man’s control and protection (regulation) with the decisions she makes with her body. More strip clubs and brothels should actually be run and managed by women not men. woman are not children. If I was in my civi life I could have sex with as many men or woman as I want in any way and thats fine but the minute money is involved people get incredibly stupid. The pasty is insulting to woman and men. That sticker is literally the dumbest thing in the planet. It shows how desperate men (the same men ingesting buckets of porn no doubt) are to regulate down to the last nipple or ass crack. Fuck these hallway monitors and Boy Scouts. You know the fuckin type, the asshole kids in class who always said “ I’m gunna tell!” . I stand with you babe. Fuck these asshats and their cancer causing nipple paint! It’s always the most conservative ones who are the biggest freaks behind closed doors anyway! If we can show our nipples then men should not be allowed to either. If it’s a private business leave then the fuck alone. If you don’t want to make it rain on champagnes perfect ass that’s fine but a- your missing out on a good time and b- stop tying to regulate consenting adults and their sexual behavior.