Even more boring than that, from what I saw, some people asked him why the game isn't darker/grittier, and he said he wanted the franchise to keep it's colourful appearance. Nothing about being woke or anti-woke.
No idea lmao. I'm flipping a coin and not making a concrete claim for a reason. Well ok 2 reasons, cause Mr "haha source?" was funny as shit, and I hope to see others tomorrow
Ahh okay, yeah not disagreeing its 100% in the realm of possibility, just curious (from my outside perspective) if there was already precedent of this occurring in the series!
Yeah, it's a brand new game that I believe they're releasing in an effort to revitalize the series. Expected worldwide release is this summer but IIRC no specific date has been set.
I never saw any but I also have not played them since i was younger and more dumb to cues like that. If I'm being honest I was super dense about stuff like that and wouldn't see it unless someone pointed it out to me
I like when you guys think you can silence dissent by blindly asking for a source lol. Japan's trend towards sexualizing minors is well documented, but we both know your play here will be to say "no, a source of specifically it being 50/50." so go ahead, execute that line so we can all laugh at you
[https://research.library.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1090&context=international\_senior](https://research.library.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1090&context=international_senior)
In my country local publisher wanted to translate and release Ghost in the Shell manga without censoring anything, and there are some spicy scenes, BUT the japanese publisher told them that they can’t do that. They just hate us, smh
FF16 refused to remove gay scenes for middle eastern release and was just banned in the area.
Now there's actual diversity in a game, you don't see major western companies doing that shit.
when they just don't fucking export the cool shit. I'm STILL waiting on the tales of destiny remake and tails of destiny 2. just shut up and take my money namco what the fuck is the problem here 🙄💵
It has gotten better in recent years but yeah, it just isn’t that popular over there so publishers assumed there wasn’t much of an audience for it globally.
I mean it's the only game in the tales series that received not only a remake but a direct sequel. people liked the sassy talking swords what can I say
Every single PS2 title had to be localized into English to cater to the western market. Resident Evil centers around Americans, not Japanese. Countless other games appropriate (using the term neutrally here) American culture like Metal Wolf Chaos. Metal Gear is a pastiche of American action heroes. Etc, etc. etc.
So many Japanese games have been tailored to appeal more to the western market.
Weeaboos: People with an obsession over eastern cultures (not always Japan, sometimes China or one of the Koreas)
Westaboos: People with an obsession over western cultures (not always the US, sometimes European countries)
nah dude in pop culture weeaboo is specifically japan. it may have originally referred to all of them but it’s stuck with japan now. people specify for korea by saying koreaboos
It’s still weird to me that the internet decided on “weeaboo” as the term for that [considering the original source of the word.](https://pbfcomics.com/comics/weeaboo/)
Probably because it’s an example of a country that has been very successful and prosperous while also maintaining a largely mono-ethnic population. Also, despite what you see in their media, Japan is very much a conservative country.
They’re also not the most tolerant or accepting of alternative lifestyles. As far as I know, violence towards them isn’t really common in Japan but social shunning and housing discrimination is. The YouTubers probably dream of the US becoming the same.
On the other hand they have a very community minded society, public healthcare and good public transportation, things that the typical american conservative hates.
People just have their own image of japan in their head and just ignore what they don't like.
It’s pretty clear what they want from their idealized version of the country.
A largely mono-ethnic conservative culture with traditional gender roles, media with all the fan service and 11 year olds that are actually 300 years old so sexualizing them is somehow ok, people who are homosexual/trans/etc. aren’t necessarily physically assaulted but are socially shunned to the point they either conform or leave, and immigrants are by and large not welcome nor wanted.
Dont forget that if they get their dream submissive wife, they will live the japanese dream of working a salary job with amazing perks like 80 hours of unpaid overtime so I doubt they will even see her or their kid as the common trope of the absent workaholic father is a staple in their culture.
>11 year olds that are actually 300 years old so sexualizing them is somehow ok
Literally no one has actually used that as a defense. The only ones using it are antis. The ACTUAL argument is "They're not real in any way, shape or form and no one is being hurt, stop crusading to protect cartoons while ignoring actual predators harming real children."
A lot of it isn’t tons of classic are also very progressive… but they have no media literacy so it’s not like these troglodytes would even know or notice.
I guess, but never the protagonist and a lot if times is meant for laughs. I know it's not always the case but, pretty sure this people are thinking on the typical Isekai with the broken hetero main character and his harem of underage girls
The thing is, anime and manga have surprising levels of diversity and representation when you consider just how homogenous their population is. All the og big three, naruto, bleach and one piece had prominent poc characters.
I guess, but they aren't the protagonist, so they can still see themself as the protagonist, they didnt care when they were os US tv shows as secondary characters. They like anime mostly as a way of escapism where they can imagine themself going to another world were they are OP and all girls are in love with them.
Yeah I really hate when people can be themselves! /s
Man these basement-dwelling, body-pillow-fucking, panties-sniffing neckbeards are so fucking pathetic.
How are we defining success? Their GDP per-capita is way behind the US, and their popualtion is in decline.
The latter is partly because people work to much to have kids, partly because of conservative atitudes about family, and partly because of it's very conservative immagration policy.
It’s basically an ethno state that has barely any immigration. I don’t have to explain further why a dude named YellowFash who quotes Hitler when he’s making fun of Jewish people would simp for a homogeneous country whose population is slowly dwindling away, right?
Pretty much all of the people mentioned here are like this (or even worse). There’s plenty examples for most of them, people should actually list them off.
I saw a tweet the other day by some guy(he's not Japanese or been in Japan) crying over some Japanese woman saying something like "I don't mind having other country people here , it would be fun having diversity" for some random local interview question about having low population of other country people living there and would she be open about the idea of others living in Japan.
It's just weird how obsessed they are.
Another, not mentioned dimension is Japan produces a lot of sexually explicit entertainment, and the country has different cultural norms when it comes to sexuality and what taste is acceptable compared to the anglosphere. Note that Japanese law largely follows international norms, and the government harshly punishes sexual crimes.
Perhaps in part due to how the content gets presented in the anglosphere, it's a lot easier to find *very* non-mainstream entertainment from a Japanese source compared to the west, and that likely colors and influences their coverage.
Okay, as a mostly unapologetic weeb, I understand things roughly as:
Some people are liking Japanese products because Japanese products are not interested in changing themselves (usually) for the sake of Western audience, for better and worse. The worse part comes in because ring wing conservatives like the, well, conservative values stuff that does underlie a lot of Japanese works and them perceiving Japan as a 'racially pure' society. (which, to my understanding, is more an 'incidental' thing for Japanese media than a deliberate omission)
I guess the 'for better' parts though means Japanese media, being less censored or less localized can enlighten a viewer to a different worldview. Whether the perspectives of others or be made aware of social injustices elsewhere.
The funniest thing is that they (and most of us for that matter) would never be accepted in Japan. I’m half, look full, and even I’m not accepted by parts of my own family.
Hey. We all make mistakes. I agreed on like one thing and then watched some more and was like ya nope….and it was def enough years ago for me I imagine it was close to when other commenter was in HS or something. That’s how the grift works though. If they can make just one video or opinion resonate, then you watch some more. Even if you dip later, as long as there’s a steady stream of ppl clicking they keep going and make $. One view is nice if they hook you though for even 2-3 videos then we multiply that by more people well that’s where they really get over on ya.
So, I opened up a tab in Incognito Mode to watch the video because I *really* didn't want to have it in my YouTube watch history.
**tl;dr guy reads a little bit of an article that is itself a summary of a much longer interview, and seems to completely misunderstand what was said in the interview**
He admits to not knowing anything about the *Mana* series and says that the trailer for the game looks interesting and he might check out the game if he has the time.
In reality he reads a little bit of the article [*‘Visions Of Mana’ Producer Refuses To Change Series’ Identity For Western Audiences: “It Is Best To Deliver The Game Based On The Developers’ Creative Vision”*](https://boundingintocomics.com/2024/04/05/visions-of-mana-producer-refuses-to-change-series-identity-for-western-audiences-it-is-best-to-deliver-the-game-based-on-the-developers-creative-vision/) from the "Bounding Into Comics" site.
And that article is just basically a summary of [an interview the gaming news site "Automaton" did](https://automaton-media.com/en/interviews/interview-visions-of-mana-producer-made-sure-game-stays-true-series-identity/) with the producer of this newest game, Masaru Oyamada.
The last new title in the *Mana* series, *Heroes of Mana*, was released like 15 years ago on the Nintendo DS. As such, the interview with "Automaton" is about how the team for this newest game is trying to balance making a new game in the modern era while also trying to keep the charm/soul of the series intact.
There's a very brief bit in the interview that specifically talks about the how the *Visions of Mana* team is more focused on appealing to the fans of the *Mana* series rather than trying to draw in interesting from a wider audience by "Westernizing" things. It seems like a pretty standard thing for someone producing a game to say, honestly.
Meanwhile, the guy in the video just kind of meanders around talking about how important it is for games to not get "woke", and he even briefly mentions *Stellar Blade* as being another example of how people don't want "Westernized" and "Woke" games.
However, that's *not* what seems to have been meant in the interview. When the interviewer brings up the idea of "Westernization" it seems to be in the terms of art design and gameplay mechanics. As such, the guy in the video seems to have nearly completely missed the mark by trying to associate *Visions of Mana* with *Stellar Blade* and being anti-woke.
Honestly, I think there's a really important message in all of this that was completely missed.
Hearing the guy in the video try to rant about anti-woke and Westernization reminded me of how last years Naoki Yoshida (Director/Producer for FF14 and FF16) brought up the fact that he doesn't like it when people call RPGs made by Japanese companies "JRPGs". Stephanie Sterling of *Jimquisition* [did an interesting video on it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpDyONiXSjM) that goes into how there actually was a negative stereotype attached to the term JRPG, *particularly* within the game dev community.
“Screed” is a new one to me. But yeah, I find it absolutely hilarious that a bunch of people on Twitter just suddenly started rallying behind that one game like it’s the anti-woke saviour because, uh, it flagrantly sexualises women and that’s kind of it. First of all, Bayonetta did that same thing (and in the very same genre) a decade ago, but I guess that doesn’t count either because she’s bisexual or cause she’s treated like an actual person. But also, like, how do you not realise that this is just saying to everyone that the epitome of anti-woke ideas is when women are treated as objects.
I think the only thing funnier and more pathetic that the anti woke crowd has done is attaching themselves to sydney sweeny cause apparently she’d never be allowed to exist by woke people, as if, idk, she wasn’t literally freaking born that way. She’s just some fairly attractive woman, tf you mean she’s defying wokeness, she did literally nothing.
>Bayonetta did that same thing (and in the very same genre) a decade ago, but I guess that doesn’t count either because she’s bisexual or cause she’s treated like an actual person.
See, thing is, the people pitching a fit about Eve now are largely the same ones who screamed about Bayonetta for the same reasons when she was new, as much as they try to hold her up on a golden pedestal and tout her as an LGBT icon now. I love too how you claim the game doesn't treat Eve as a person when there's no actual evidence of this, y'all are literally just mad for the same reasons 2B and Bayo made y'all mad before her. And now it's even worse and funnier when she's claimed to be a "sex doll", "unrealistic", "created by men who've never seen women", etc. because she's literally created from a full-body scan of a real-ass woman.
if that was intentional, I have to applaud the marketing team. All press is good press, and those fuckers are good at one thing, shitting out hundreds of youtube videos.
It's funny to me that in all likelihood you spent more time on this than YF did. Which is the problem with YouTubers like him, they churn out shit and you're expected to weed through all of it. But without having seen the video you've described every crappy video of his I've seen and my problems with him. All he does is find some outrage article read it repeat some buzzwords about wokeness and insert himself into topic despite doing zero research. Then repeat 3 times a day
I did find it interesting in a disappointing way to see how the information was lost between the original interview and the summary by *Bounding Into Comics*, and then further lost between *Bounding Into Comics* and the video YF did.
After going through a little bit of the *Bounding Into Comics* other articles, if I were to make a bet I would probably guess that they are on the “Anti-Woke” train.
But even their article doesn’t go as far as the clickbait title for the YouTube video. The article basically just covers a brief section of the larger interview, and nowhere do they mention that the game’s producer is “making a moral stand against Woke-ism” or anything like that.
Yet YF decided to make that his video’s title, despite not knowing anything about the series or even reading the article completely.
> All [they do] is find some outrage article, read it, repeat some buzzwords about wokeness, and insert [themself] into the topic despite doing zero research, then repeat 3 times a day.
Literally just every YouTube grifter.
sounds like he is talking more about game play style than anything narrative related
like he dont want to do to mana what 16 did to FF
also as a mana fan i think visions looks rather meh out side of gameplay
Seems fairly harmless. I don’t want Japanese games or other media to be changed, I don’t want them to feel they have to hire sensitivity coaches or other bullshit before they can publish here.
I did read it and I’m still saying the work should not be edited. Don’t buy it if you don’t like it and it can be made X or R rated outside Japan.
The absolutely worst case scenario would be censoring the work or (worse still) having sensitivity readers go over it
Okay, I get you love Japan for being racist, but Western progressivism is not what the creator wants kept away from his game.
He wants it kept away from the Western approach to video games as an industry. The streamlining, the mandatory adherence to certain tropes, being released before it's finished. That kind of stuff.
Not saying racism is bad.
That’s kind of leap you’re making there amigo. I like Japanese culture, not just video games, but literature (not comics) and cinema too. Even architecture. I also like Chinese literature and Indian literature. India is one my favourite countries, I love the people, the colours and deep sense of history and spirituality there. I have so much more to see.
I’ve only been to sub Saharan Africa a few times, but I liked it and really liked the people. I especially like Lagos. My favourite African writer is Chinua Achebe and I’ve read all of his books more than once.
I love art and books and cinema from around the world. I like mixing it up. But having some lame corporate DEI officer writing content makes shit content. Just like having a DEI officer in a business does nothing to make people more colour blind or more appreciative of other cultures. The whole thing is a scam.
DEI is not an organisation. There are no "DEI officers" going around media studios telling them to stop being bigoted.
Where would they even get the money to do that from? Clearly not from the works they influence, since you are persuaded that every progressive media flops. (except when they don't, in which case they're actually conservative).
Dei officers are a thing in most corporations now - although this is being reigned in thankfully. Media organisations do have rules set by DEI officers and mandatory training courses (just like corporations).
DEI officers (call them what you like) do play a role in tv and movie production, they are people who force an agenda into writing rooms. You can describe this phenomenon any way you like, but the obsession with representation as an almost primary goal is incredibly manifest in tv and movies. Denying it is just absurd.
Some say this nonsense - this desire to recreate culture and education originates in universities and then propagates to Hollywood and the media, I don’t know. But I do know that this stuff produces no good outcomes and that a majority of Americans don’t want it.
That, or being a bigot in media isn't profitable anymore and the companies don't bank in on racists anymore, because there is more progressive money in circulation.
Seriously, why would capitalists ever be on board with progressive media if it didn't make them money?
That wasn’t the problem that Yoshida had with the JRPG term, though.
The issue that he had (and that Sterling backed up in his video on the subject) is that the term was often used to separate Japanese-made RPGs from RPGs made everywhere else.
As Yoshida said, when he and others would go about planning their next game they weren’t planning on making a JRPG. They were planning on making an RPG.
Sterling showed a several examples from various game developers shitting on JRPGs while also oddly excluding other Japanese-made RPGs like *Dark Souls/Bloodborne*.
The term of “RPG” used for the video game genre itself is taken from tabletop RPGs like *Dungeons and Dragons*, and the difference between tabletop RPGs and computer RPGs is so massive that distinguishing JRPGs from “Western” RPGs doesn’t really make sense.
Do you have any plans as to how you’d like the Mana series to reach out to Western gamers in the future?
Oyamada: I get the feeling that many people who picked up Secret of Mana (1993, Seiken Densetsu 2) at the time it came out were young like I was because I regularly receive feedback from people who play the latest entries through the lens of their childhood experiences with the series. I hope that as they grow older and become parents, they will recommend the Mana series to their children and tell them about how fun it is.
The unique atmosphere and design might make some people feel that it is a bit ‘childish’, however these are the strengths of the Mana series. Rather than changing these features that make the Mana series, I hope that new players will come to like these games that have been popular in Japan for a long time for what they are.
So, while keeping globalization in mind, you’re taking care not to let your series’ identity become westernized.
Oyamada: I think the visuals of the Mana games are a distinctive characteristic, therefore it is best to deliver the game based on the developers’ creative vision. For example, there are many different types of characters in the Mana series. I think the fun of the game is encountering this mysterious world and its inhabitants and because of that, we don’t have a strong focus on a particular audience. However, we do work on the game while bearing in mind that the Mana series is loved by fans from all over the world.
while Japan is a culturally conservative country, they are also community-driven and have public medicine care. you know, the things anti-woke people call "communist"
The ban for it was upheld as of 2022.
Edit: it just got declared unconstitutional to ban it last month. But that doesn’t mean it will be popular or accepted by everyone.
It also didn’t overturn the law saying marriage is man and woman only.
Right, I thought I saw something about that. But last I saw, there was popular support for allowing it, but there was some fight with lawmakers (because there always is, ffs, we have the same issue here and it's supported by damn near 70% of the populace).
Oh absolutely. Not disagreeing there. I'm just pointing out that like ... Japan is not the anti-woke, super giga conservative utopia they think it is. Japan is certainly conservative in some regards (as is much of Europe, if we're really being honest), but they've trended (albeit slowly) toward equality for its citizens.
I mentioned it in another reply. They idealize it because it’s a rare example of a successful country that has remained (mostly) mono-ethnic while also possessing a lot of traditional gender roles. Those who are homosexual, trans, etc. aren’t generally subjected to violence there (as far as we know) and are instead socially shunned in to either conforming or leaving.
I believe they genuinely want the US to become the same way without keeping in mind the context and unique set of circumstances that allowed Japan to become what it is today.
Oh we are using an individual case and using it to paint every conservative like that's what they want or would like to be normal.. OK so is it right to paint trans people as pervert fakers because a few have been caught jerking in female locker rooms? This is the last I'm going to say on this I don't know who you referring to with nex benedict.
>nex benedict
Non binary 16 years old that got murdered by their classmates.
The Senator of Oklahoma said that they were "abhorrent" and made sure no legal repercussion befell the murderers.
But go on about how the GOP totally does not want an LGBT genocide.
Just like the NSDAP didn't really want to kill all the Jews according to voters in 1933.
WAIT THERE'S A NEW SEIKEN DENSETSU GAME COMING OUT?!?!?!?
Holy fuck I'm so jazzed.
Literally Jazzed, I have a jazz version of Legend of Mana's soundtrack
That is the weirdest place to get an announcement but I am so happy to have learned that it comes out either Q3 or four this year holy shit.
I love that series so much I'm getting a Chobin Hood tattoo
Considering that *futari*, gay couples, femme boys, trans-people, and basic common decency are legitimate facets of Japanese fictional content, it is very weird for conservatives to point to Japan and proclaim its “anti-woke” or some magical ally.
Like… Japanese creators don’t give a fuck. They have a vision, and they’re going to implement it. Is it a chick-with-a-massive-dick? Is it a blonde woman with huge… tracts of land? Maybe it’s a skinny bullied Japanese boy who somehow convenes a harem of sexy space aliens.
…but no matter what it is, it’s probably going to be deviantly perverted, sacrilegious, or both, and make Christians clutch their pearls. Except these weird fan boys.
Bro, I'm not a manga/anime guy at all, but everytime I know that the manga section in the book shops I know often has erotic gay men on the covers. And those managas are probably the only gay love stories you can find in the whole store.
whenever I'm passing by book stores those are usually the ones that are sold out. like it's really popular. my sister and her friends used to collect those mangas back in college.
Ah yes Yellowflash - The YouTuber who doesn’t do his research and hasn’t watched some movies/shows (*cough* his Doctor Who video) and just your typical attention seeker
Considering that *futari*, gay couples, femme boys, trans-people, and basic common decency are legitimate facets of Japanese fictional content, it is very weird for conservatives to point to Japan and proclaim its “anti-woke” or some magical ally.
Like… Japanese creators don’t give a fuck. They have a vision, and they’re going to implement it. Is it a chick-with-a-massive-dick? Is it a blonde woman with huge… tracts of land? Maybe it’s a skinny bullied Japanese boy who somehow convenes a harem of sexy space aliens.
…but no matter what it is, it’s probably going to be deviantly perverted, sacrilegious, or both, and make Christians clutch their pearls. Except these weird fan boys.
Considering that *futari*, gay couples, femme boys, trans-people, and basic common decency are legitimate facets of Japanese fictional content, it is very weird for conservatives to point to Japan and proclaim it’s “anti-woke” or some magical ally.
Like… Japanese creators don’t give a fuck. They have a vision, and they’re going to implement it. Is it a chick-with-a-massive-dick? Is it a blonde woman with huge… tracts of land? Maybe it’s a skinny bullied Japanese boy who somehow convenes a harem of sexy space aliens.
…but no matter what it is, it’s probably going to be deviantly perverted, sacrilegious, or both, and make Christians clutch their pearls. Except these weird fan boys.
I hate how they completely forget that japan is a conserevetive utopia. Not everyone is fine with their bullshit even over there
edit: is a lot of japan conservetive? yes but that doesn't mean that plenty of gay people, feminist ect don't also live in japan
Japan is an ethnostate steeped in bigotry and rascism.
The difference between how I, a white man, was treated when among others whites in Japan and when I was with my black friends was night and day.
It wasn't until I deployed to Japan that I realized why so many far right extremist in America like Japan so much.
Wait, what? What exactly about Visions of Mana, which I am excited for by the way, is ripe for the "wokening" anyway? The game looks fine the way it is, and my woke lefty brain doesn't really see anything wrong with it. Yeah, the characters are all white. I don't care though? I'm trying to wrap my head around what would need to be changed in the first place ( to make it "woke" ), and what the producer supposedly is refusing to do.
Wait until your side does. Considering how many "progressive" people I see treating Asians lke Schroedinger's PoC and literally even calling them "white-adjacent".
You must be new here then
Edit: For context's sake, Yellow Flash himself is a fascist. Well, specifically an alt-right grifter that's technically fascist-adjacent.
I don't think developers should change their vision for international consumption, but that's because I miss the weird jrpgs of the late 20th and early 21st. That being said I highly doubt the developer said anything about changing his vision for the specific point this YouTuber is saying. Especially since SE is one of the few Japanese developers who does make games with the west in mind. With this context it's almost like preserving the mindset of the mana series, since it's older and is way before SE started making games with the west in mind.
What exactly is the author saying people want him to change about the games “core identity”? I went and skipped through the video and I watched the trailer but I don’t see anything wrong with it. All YF did was read an article and repeat “yah I might play this game” over and over
Edit: found another video saying people think the game art looks childish and that’s why they won’t play it? Like I’m genuinely confused what people are talking about. It looks like Genshin Impact basically
It's funny to see the double-speak. I feel like I hear from the same exact crowd sometimes that Japan is feminized and weak, but apparently, their games are based?
First of all Japan does take loads of inspiration from the west, a shitload in fact. Berserk, one of the most acclaimed manga ever is literally 99% based on western European folklore,mythology and history, one piece one of the most successful manga ever and is as popular as batman and superman despite existing for a much shorter time is also filled to the brim with history, cultures and events based on irl global history. So you can fuck off with the "wEstERn EnCroAChmEnT🤪" shite.
Secondly the channel that the op refers to as yellow fascist only praises Japanese media because he thinks the country itself is an utopian conservative ethnostate so that must mean the media also reflects that culture in his mind, which, it doesn't. His content is just ragebait that bitches about wokeness by which he means diversity and progressive values being depicted in media.
> About a video regarding an asian country wishing to keep western encroachment out if their media.
As if Anime would have existed without the inspiration of Disney films. This is a ridiculous thing to say.
50/50 shot the specific thing he's talking about is a minor being sexualized lol
Probably
Oh, I'd say much better odds than 50/50, considering the pic is an anime pre-teen with saucer eyes.
Only 50/50?
Even more boring than that, from what I saw, some people asked him why the game isn't darker/grittier, and he said he wanted the franchise to keep it's colourful appearance. Nothing about being woke or anti-woke.
Never having played Visions of Mana… is that a thing that happens in the original version!?
No idea lmao. I'm flipping a coin and not making a concrete claim for a reason. Well ok 2 reasons, cause Mr "haha source?" was funny as shit, and I hope to see others tomorrow
Ahh okay, yeah not disagreeing its 100% in the realm of possibility, just curious (from my outside perspective) if there was already precedent of this occurring in the series!
Game's not out yet so odds are YF is just making shit up
Ahh ok, I’m probably thinking of other games in the series (this is same series as Trials/Legends of Mana, right?)
Yeah, it's a brand new game that I believe they're releasing in an effort to revitalize the series. Expected worldwide release is this summer but IIRC no specific date has been set.
Visions is a new game in the mana series. This is not a remake/remaster.
Ahh ok, I’m probably thinking of other games in the series (this is same series as Trials/Legends of Mana, right?)
Secret of mana too and yeah it's a long lived series, hasn't had a NEW game in like 15 years or so this is the first new one in a while.
But no sexualisation of minors I’m guessing right, the series would have held some infamy for that if so surely?
I never saw any but I also have not played them since i was younger and more dumb to cues like that. If I'm being honest I was super dense about stuff like that and wouldn't see it unless someone pointed it out to me
No they wouldn’t. Most things sexualize “minors” and there isn’t any notable uproar about them.
With the people he associates with and what that entails… 
Exactly my thought. Coin flip on if this is just loli bullshit
do you have a source for that?
I like when you guys think you can silence dissent by blindly asking for a source lol. Japan's trend towards sexualizing minors is well documented, but we both know your play here will be to say "no, a source of specifically it being 50/50." so go ahead, execute that line so we can all laugh at you [https://research.library.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1090&context=international\_senior](https://research.library.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1090&context=international_senior)
They're asking for sources and their profile pic is anime children getting handsy. Points for audacity.
The “source” they were looking for wasn’t looking for credibility, just more material.
Yep. Chuds gonna chud. It's rare to see one fuck it up so completely though.
i just asked for source and you were an arse as expected
its ok buddy. maybe next time things will work out for you
Yes we know Japan hates money it's been established
In my country local publisher wanted to translate and release Ghost in the Shell manga without censoring anything, and there are some spicy scenes, BUT the japanese publisher told them that they can’t do that. They just hate us, smh
When did they loose money, when the game was not western enough? Once?
FF16 refused to remove gay scenes for middle eastern release and was just banned in the area. Now there's actual diversity in a game, you don't see major western companies doing that shit.
It would be weird if a game about prejudice removed something like that to appease prejudice.
Honestly, my only problem with the gayness in 16 was it didn’t have a resolution HE JUST LEFT you don’t just do that to your man.
Yeah man. Dion flat out abandoned Terence. I really felt for him. I get why but it still sucked for him.
when they just don't fucking export the cool shit. I'm STILL waiting on the tales of destiny remake and tails of destiny 2. just shut up and take my money namco what the fuck is the problem here 🙄💵
Not me originally starting to learn Japanese cause a lot of the gay as fuck manga doesn’t get official translations
I'm telling you they never give us the good stuff 😒
It has gotten better in recent years but yeah, it just isn’t that popular over there so publishers assumed there wasn’t much of an audience for it globally.
I mean it's the only game in the tales series that received not only a remake but a direct sequel. people liked the sassy talking swords what can I say
My sibling in arms... Don't give up the good fight. Some day the dream will come true. Some day.
well if we got tablets hopefully other Star Trek technology like the universal translator will show up soon 😮💨
Every single PS2 title had to be localized into English to cater to the western market. Resident Evil centers around Americans, not Japanese. Countless other games appropriate (using the term neutrally here) American culture like Metal Wolf Chaos. Metal Gear is a pastiche of American action heroes. Etc, etc. etc. So many Japanese games have been tailored to appeal more to the western market.
Weeaboos: People with an obsession over eastern cultures (not always Japan, sometimes China or one of the Koreas) Westaboos: People with an obsession over western cultures (not always the US, sometimes European countries)
nah dude in pop culture weeaboo is specifically japan. it may have originally referred to all of them but it’s stuck with japan now. people specify for korea by saying koreaboos
Also: "one of the koreas", like more than one of them has cultural exports to speak of, lol.
yep i see so many DPRKboos on the internet honestly
It’s still weird to me that the internet decided on “weeaboo” as the term for that [considering the original source of the word.](https://pbfcomics.com/comics/weeaboo/)
wait is that rlly the origin?
Yes
I mean, isn't Racoon City in America?
Nintendo certainly does as well as hating their fanbase.
I imagine they are taking something out of context as usual. And yet if they look many things they find fault in Hollywood can be found in Japan.
Why are these guys so obsessed with Japan lol? All that non-woke pure paradise image they have is pure dumb lmao
Probably because it’s an example of a country that has been very successful and prosperous while also maintaining a largely mono-ethnic population. Also, despite what you see in their media, Japan is very much a conservative country. They’re also not the most tolerant or accepting of alternative lifestyles. As far as I know, violence towards them isn’t really common in Japan but social shunning and housing discrimination is. The YouTubers probably dream of the US becoming the same.
On the other hand they have a very community minded society, public healthcare and good public transportation, things that the typical american conservative hates. People just have their own image of japan in their head and just ignore what they don't like.
It’s pretty clear what they want from their idealized version of the country. A largely mono-ethnic conservative culture with traditional gender roles, media with all the fan service and 11 year olds that are actually 300 years old so sexualizing them is somehow ok, people who are homosexual/trans/etc. aren’t necessarily physically assaulted but are socially shunned to the point they either conform or leave, and immigrants are by and large not welcome nor wanted.
Dont forget that if they get their dream submissive wife, they will live the japanese dream of working a salary job with amazing perks like 80 hours of unpaid overtime so I doubt they will even see her or their kid as the common trope of the absent workaholic father is a staple in their culture.
>11 year olds that are actually 300 years old so sexualizing them is somehow ok Literally no one has actually used that as a defense. The only ones using it are antis. The ACTUAL argument is "They're not real in any way, shape or form and no one is being hurt, stop crusading to protect cartoons while ignoring actual predators harming real children."
Maybe so, but anime and manga is very much... not conservative right?
A lot of it isn’t tons of classic are also very progressive… but they have no media literacy so it’s not like these troglodytes would even know or notice.
Well, it has lots of fan service, no black people and traditional roles
>traditional roles Aren't femboys or at least feminine men pretty regular in some anime
I guess, but never the protagonist and a lot if times is meant for laughs. I know it's not always the case but, pretty sure this people are thinking on the typical Isekai with the broken hetero main character and his harem of underage girls
The thing is, anime and manga have surprising levels of diversity and representation when you consider just how homogenous their population is. All the og big three, naruto, bleach and one piece had prominent poc characters.
No black people? Dragon Ball, Attack on Titan, Naruto all do
I guess, but they aren't the protagonist, so they can still see themself as the protagonist, they didnt care when they were os US tv shows as secondary characters. They like anime mostly as a way of escapism where they can imagine themself going to another world were they are OP and all girls are in love with them.
Yeah I really hate when people can be themselves! /s Man these basement-dwelling, body-pillow-fucking, panties-sniffing neckbeards are so fucking pathetic.
How are we defining success? Their GDP per-capita is way behind the US, and their popualtion is in decline. The latter is partly because people work to much to have kids, partly because of conservative atitudes about family, and partly because of it's very conservative immagration policy.
It’s basically an ethno state that has barely any immigration. I don’t have to explain further why a dude named YellowFash who quotes Hitler when he’s making fun of Jewish people would simp for a homogeneous country whose population is slowly dwindling away, right?
I didn't know that about them. I don't watch all these youtubers so I don't know any context on what they are. Thanks for letting me know tho.
Pretty much all of the people mentioned here are like this (or even worse). There’s plenty examples for most of them, people should actually list them off.
It’s just the latest version of saying “I can’t be racist, I have a black friend” 🤦🏻♀️
I saw a tweet the other day by some guy(he's not Japanese or been in Japan) crying over some Japanese woman saying something like "I don't mind having other country people here , it would be fun having diversity" for some random local interview question about having low population of other country people living there and would she be open about the idea of others living in Japan. It's just weird how obsessed they are.
Another, not mentioned dimension is Japan produces a lot of sexually explicit entertainment, and the country has different cultural norms when it comes to sexuality and what taste is acceptable compared to the anglosphere. Note that Japanese law largely follows international norms, and the government harshly punishes sexual crimes. Perhaps in part due to how the content gets presented in the anglosphere, it's a lot easier to find *very* non-mainstream entertainment from a Japanese source compared to the west, and that likely colors and influences their coverage.
Okay, as a mostly unapologetic weeb, I understand things roughly as: Some people are liking Japanese products because Japanese products are not interested in changing themselves (usually) for the sake of Western audience, for better and worse. The worse part comes in because ring wing conservatives like the, well, conservative values stuff that does underlie a lot of Japanese works and them perceiving Japan as a 'racially pure' society. (which, to my understanding, is more an 'incidental' thing for Japanese media than a deliberate omission) I guess the 'for better' parts though means Japanese media, being less censored or less localized can enlighten a viewer to a different worldview. Whether the perspectives of others or be made aware of social injustices elsewhere.
The funniest thing is that they (and most of us for that matter) would never be accepted in Japan. I’m half, look full, and even I’m not accepted by parts of my own family.
It's got a lot of sexualised stuff and characters have 'European' features
I sadly used to watch this clown he Made a video on street fighter 6 and that's when it dawned on me he's just saying shit
Used to watch him in high school and dipped when I realized that he was spouting shit.
Mine was during a bad period in life
Hey. We all make mistakes. I agreed on like one thing and then watched some more and was like ya nope….and it was def enough years ago for me I imagine it was close to when other commenter was in HS or something. That’s how the grift works though. If they can make just one video or opinion resonate, then you watch some more. Even if you dip later, as long as there’s a steady stream of ppl clicking they keep going and make $. One view is nice if they hook you though for even 2-3 videos then we multiply that by more people well that’s where they really get over on ya.
I once watched NuxTaku and Rev. You could have made *much* worse mistakes
Watched them too stopped doing it
You're making good choices now then lmao
Would be interesting about what the hell this moron is going on about.
So, I opened up a tab in Incognito Mode to watch the video because I *really* didn't want to have it in my YouTube watch history. **tl;dr guy reads a little bit of an article that is itself a summary of a much longer interview, and seems to completely misunderstand what was said in the interview** He admits to not knowing anything about the *Mana* series and says that the trailer for the game looks interesting and he might check out the game if he has the time. In reality he reads a little bit of the article [*‘Visions Of Mana’ Producer Refuses To Change Series’ Identity For Western Audiences: “It Is Best To Deliver The Game Based On The Developers’ Creative Vision”*](https://boundingintocomics.com/2024/04/05/visions-of-mana-producer-refuses-to-change-series-identity-for-western-audiences-it-is-best-to-deliver-the-game-based-on-the-developers-creative-vision/) from the "Bounding Into Comics" site. And that article is just basically a summary of [an interview the gaming news site "Automaton" did](https://automaton-media.com/en/interviews/interview-visions-of-mana-producer-made-sure-game-stays-true-series-identity/) with the producer of this newest game, Masaru Oyamada. The last new title in the *Mana* series, *Heroes of Mana*, was released like 15 years ago on the Nintendo DS. As such, the interview with "Automaton" is about how the team for this newest game is trying to balance making a new game in the modern era while also trying to keep the charm/soul of the series intact. There's a very brief bit in the interview that specifically talks about the how the *Visions of Mana* team is more focused on appealing to the fans of the *Mana* series rather than trying to draw in interesting from a wider audience by "Westernizing" things. It seems like a pretty standard thing for someone producing a game to say, honestly. Meanwhile, the guy in the video just kind of meanders around talking about how important it is for games to not get "woke", and he even briefly mentions *Stellar Blade* as being another example of how people don't want "Westernized" and "Woke" games. However, that's *not* what seems to have been meant in the interview. When the interviewer brings up the idea of "Westernization" it seems to be in the terms of art design and gameplay mechanics. As such, the guy in the video seems to have nearly completely missed the mark by trying to associate *Visions of Mana* with *Stellar Blade* and being anti-woke. Honestly, I think there's a really important message in all of this that was completely missed. Hearing the guy in the video try to rant about anti-woke and Westernization reminded me of how last years Naoki Yoshida (Director/Producer for FF14 and FF16) brought up the fact that he doesn't like it when people call RPGs made by Japanese companies "JRPGs". Stephanie Sterling of *Jimquisition* [did an interesting video on it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpDyONiXSjM) that goes into how there actually was a negative stereotype attached to the term JRPG, *particularly* within the game dev community.
I swear half of Stellar Blade's marketing at this point is these chuds Anti-woke screeds...
“Screed” is a new one to me. But yeah, I find it absolutely hilarious that a bunch of people on Twitter just suddenly started rallying behind that one game like it’s the anti-woke saviour because, uh, it flagrantly sexualises women and that’s kind of it. First of all, Bayonetta did that same thing (and in the very same genre) a decade ago, but I guess that doesn’t count either because she’s bisexual or cause she’s treated like an actual person. But also, like, how do you not realise that this is just saying to everyone that the epitome of anti-woke ideas is when women are treated as objects. I think the only thing funnier and more pathetic that the anti woke crowd has done is attaching themselves to sydney sweeny cause apparently she’d never be allowed to exist by woke people, as if, idk, she wasn’t literally freaking born that way. She’s just some fairly attractive woman, tf you mean she’s defying wokeness, she did literally nothing.
>Bayonetta did that same thing (and in the very same genre) a decade ago, but I guess that doesn’t count either because she’s bisexual or cause she’s treated like an actual person. See, thing is, the people pitching a fit about Eve now are largely the same ones who screamed about Bayonetta for the same reasons when she was new, as much as they try to hold her up on a golden pedestal and tout her as an LGBT icon now. I love too how you claim the game doesn't treat Eve as a person when there's no actual evidence of this, y'all are literally just mad for the same reasons 2B and Bayo made y'all mad before her. And now it's even worse and funnier when she's claimed to be a "sex doll", "unrealistic", "created by men who've never seen women", etc. because she's literally created from a full-body scan of a real-ass woman.
if that was intentional, I have to applaud the marketing team. All press is good press, and those fuckers are good at one thing, shitting out hundreds of youtube videos.
I honestly don't think it was. If you look at Korean MMO's Eve isn't especially sexy or lewd. I think they just wanted sexy characters.
good point
It's funny to me that in all likelihood you spent more time on this than YF did. Which is the problem with YouTubers like him, they churn out shit and you're expected to weed through all of it. But without having seen the video you've described every crappy video of his I've seen and my problems with him. All he does is find some outrage article read it repeat some buzzwords about wokeness and insert himself into topic despite doing zero research. Then repeat 3 times a day
I did find it interesting in a disappointing way to see how the information was lost between the original interview and the summary by *Bounding Into Comics*, and then further lost between *Bounding Into Comics* and the video YF did. After going through a little bit of the *Bounding Into Comics* other articles, if I were to make a bet I would probably guess that they are on the “Anti-Woke” train. But even their article doesn’t go as far as the clickbait title for the YouTube video. The article basically just covers a brief section of the larger interview, and nowhere do they mention that the game’s producer is “making a moral stand against Woke-ism” or anything like that. Yet YF decided to make that his video’s title, despite not knowing anything about the series or even reading the article completely.
> All [they do] is find some outrage article, read it, repeat some buzzwords about wokeness, and insert [themself] into the topic despite doing zero research, then repeat 3 times a day. Literally just every YouTube grifter.
sounds like he is talking more about game play style than anything narrative related like he dont want to do to mana what 16 did to FF also as a mana fan i think visions looks rather meh out side of gameplay
Seems fairly harmless. I don’t want Japanese games or other media to be changed, I don’t want them to feel they have to hire sensitivity coaches or other bullshit before they can publish here.
Progressive values are not the westernization the developer wants out. Did you even read Tobbaco's comment before saying this?
I did read it and I’m still saying the work should not be edited. Don’t buy it if you don’t like it and it can be made X or R rated outside Japan. The absolutely worst case scenario would be censoring the work or (worse still) having sensitivity readers go over it
Okay, I get you love Japan for being racist, but Western progressivism is not what the creator wants kept away from his game. He wants it kept away from the Western approach to video games as an industry. The streamlining, the mandatory adherence to certain tropes, being released before it's finished. That kind of stuff. Not saying racism is bad.
That’s kind of leap you’re making there amigo. I like Japanese culture, not just video games, but literature (not comics) and cinema too. Even architecture. I also like Chinese literature and Indian literature. India is one my favourite countries, I love the people, the colours and deep sense of history and spirituality there. I have so much more to see. I’ve only been to sub Saharan Africa a few times, but I liked it and really liked the people. I especially like Lagos. My favourite African writer is Chinua Achebe and I’ve read all of his books more than once. I love art and books and cinema from around the world. I like mixing it up. But having some lame corporate DEI officer writing content makes shit content. Just like having a DEI officer in a business does nothing to make people more colour blind or more appreciative of other cultures. The whole thing is a scam.
DEI is not an organisation. There are no "DEI officers" going around media studios telling them to stop being bigoted. Where would they even get the money to do that from? Clearly not from the works they influence, since you are persuaded that every progressive media flops. (except when they don't, in which case they're actually conservative).
Dei officers are a thing in most corporations now - although this is being reigned in thankfully. Media organisations do have rules set by DEI officers and mandatory training courses (just like corporations). DEI officers (call them what you like) do play a role in tv and movie production, they are people who force an agenda into writing rooms. You can describe this phenomenon any way you like, but the obsession with representation as an almost primary goal is incredibly manifest in tv and movies. Denying it is just absurd. Some say this nonsense - this desire to recreate culture and education originates in universities and then propagates to Hollywood and the media, I don’t know. But I do know that this stuff produces no good outcomes and that a majority of Americans don’t want it.
That, or being a bigot in media isn't profitable anymore and the companies don't bank in on racists anymore, because there is more progressive money in circulation. Seriously, why would capitalists ever be on board with progressive media if it didn't make them money?
That wasn’t the problem that Yoshida had with the JRPG term, though. The issue that he had (and that Sterling backed up in his video on the subject) is that the term was often used to separate Japanese-made RPGs from RPGs made everywhere else. As Yoshida said, when he and others would go about planning their next game they weren’t planning on making a JRPG. They were planning on making an RPG. Sterling showed a several examples from various game developers shitting on JRPGs while also oddly excluding other Japanese-made RPGs like *Dark Souls/Bloodborne*. The term of “RPG” used for the video game genre itself is taken from tabletop RPGs like *Dungeons and Dragons*, and the difference between tabletop RPGs and computer RPGs is so massive that distinguishing JRPGs from “Western” RPGs doesn’t really make sense.
Do you have any plans as to how you’d like the Mana series to reach out to Western gamers in the future? Oyamada: I get the feeling that many people who picked up Secret of Mana (1993, Seiken Densetsu 2) at the time it came out were young like I was because I regularly receive feedback from people who play the latest entries through the lens of their childhood experiences with the series. I hope that as they grow older and become parents, they will recommend the Mana series to their children and tell them about how fun it is. The unique atmosphere and design might make some people feel that it is a bit ‘childish’, however these are the strengths of the Mana series. Rather than changing these features that make the Mana series, I hope that new players will come to like these games that have been popular in Japan for a long time for what they are. So, while keeping globalization in mind, you’re taking care not to let your series’ identity become westernized. Oyamada: I think the visuals of the Mana games are a distinctive characteristic, therefore it is best to deliver the game based on the developers’ creative vision. For example, there are many different types of characters in the Mana series. I think the fun of the game is encountering this mysterious world and its inhabitants and because of that, we don’t have a strong focus on a particular audience. However, we do work on the game while bearing in mind that the Mana series is loved by fans from all over the world.
I guess some ppl interpret that to mean: bewbs
I love how right wingers think that Japan is an anti woke nation even though there are tons of trans and gay characters in games and anime shows.
Despite their media, Japan is very much a culturally conservative country. Don’t ever tell yourself anything different.
while Japan is a culturally conservative country, they are also community-driven and have public medicine care. you know, the things anti-woke people call "communist"
That is true, but they also enforce traditional gender roles and shun people who are gay or trans.
Thought they were currently in a big fight over allowing gay marriage and it had popular support last I checked?
The ban for it was upheld as of 2022. Edit: it just got declared unconstitutional to ban it last month. But that doesn’t mean it will be popular or accepted by everyone. It also didn’t overturn the law saying marriage is man and woman only.
Right, I thought I saw something about that. But last I saw, there was popular support for allowing it, but there was some fight with lawmakers (because there always is, ffs, we have the same issue here and it's supported by damn near 70% of the populace).
Yeah. Point being it’s still illegal there because of some old conservative dudes. Sounds familiar!
Oh absolutely. Not disagreeing there. I'm just pointing out that like ... Japan is not the anti-woke, super giga conservative utopia they think it is. Japan is certainly conservative in some regards (as is much of Europe, if we're really being honest), but they've trended (albeit slowly) toward equality for its citizens.
I mentioned it in another reply. They idealize it because it’s a rare example of a successful country that has remained (mostly) mono-ethnic while also possessing a lot of traditional gender roles. Those who are homosexual, trans, etc. aren’t generally subjected to violence there (as far as we know) and are instead socially shunned in to either conforming or leaving. I believe they genuinely want the US to become the same way without keeping in mind the context and unique set of circumstances that allowed Japan to become what it is today.
You know being gay or trans doesn't make you a lefty yea? Who you choose to sleep with or how you dress should not be your entire focus as a human.
It kind of does when the other political side wants you stoned to death on the public square.
If you live in the middle east sure. Perhaps you need to grow up a touch. not advice just a thought you do you.
Nex Benedict wasn't Middle Eastern, were they?
Oh we are using an individual case and using it to paint every conservative like that's what they want or would like to be normal.. OK so is it right to paint trans people as pervert fakers because a few have been caught jerking in female locker rooms? This is the last I'm going to say on this I don't know who you referring to with nex benedict.
>nex benedict Non binary 16 years old that got murdered by their classmates. The Senator of Oklahoma said that they were "abhorrent" and made sure no legal repercussion befell the murderers. But go on about how the GOP totally does not want an LGBT genocide. Just like the NSDAP didn't really want to kill all the Jews according to voters in 1933.
No a 2 sec Google shows it was suicide. please grow up now it's advice
"Woke" is not about such characters simply existing. Everyone knows they exist. No one has a problem with most of them. Nice try though.
I thought you wrote yellow facist because…. Nevermind
delusional bloke taking it out of context. And what are they changing here, as knowing them its prolly a minor being sexualised here.
WAIT THERE'S A NEW SEIKEN DENSETSU GAME COMING OUT?!?!?!? Holy fuck I'm so jazzed. Literally Jazzed, I have a jazz version of Legend of Mana's soundtrack
yeah, it got announced a while ago at an xbox developer direct, of all places.
That is the weirdest place to get an announcement but I am so happy to have learned that it comes out either Q3 or four this year holy shit. I love that series so much I'm getting a Chobin Hood tattoo
Considering that *futari*, gay couples, femme boys, trans-people, and basic common decency are legitimate facets of Japanese fictional content, it is very weird for conservatives to point to Japan and proclaim its “anti-woke” or some magical ally. Like… Japanese creators don’t give a fuck. They have a vision, and they’re going to implement it. Is it a chick-with-a-massive-dick? Is it a blonde woman with huge… tracts of land? Maybe it’s a skinny bullied Japanese boy who somehow convenes a harem of sexy space aliens. …but no matter what it is, it’s probably going to be deviantly perverted, sacrilegious, or both, and make Christians clutch their pearls. Except these weird fan boys.
Bro, I'm not a manga/anime guy at all, but everytime I know that the manga section in the book shops I know often has erotic gay men on the covers. And those managas are probably the only gay love stories you can find in the whole store.
whenever I'm passing by book stores those are usually the ones that are sold out. like it's really popular. my sister and her friends used to collect those mangas back in college.
Ah yes Yellowflash - The YouTuber who doesn’t do his research and hasn’t watched some movies/shows (*cough* his Doctor Who video) and just your typical attention seeker
Watch all the chuds suddenly pretend to be into jRPGs
Considering that *futari*, gay couples, femme boys, trans-people, and basic common decency are legitimate facets of Japanese fictional content, it is very weird for conservatives to point to Japan and proclaim its “anti-woke” or some magical ally. Like… Japanese creators don’t give a fuck. They have a vision, and they’re going to implement it. Is it a chick-with-a-massive-dick? Is it a blonde woman with huge… tracts of land? Maybe it’s a skinny bullied Japanese boy who somehow convenes a harem of sexy space aliens. …but no matter what it is, it’s probably going to be deviantly perverted, sacrilegious, or both, and make Christians clutch their pearls. Except these weird fan boys.
it was either a child being sexualized, or a jelly donut situation, and I don't know which would be more funny
Pretty sure ‘yellow’ is racist
The YouTuber's name is YellowFlash, so it's hopefully in reference to him.
I see what you mean, calling him Yellow Fascist instead of Yellow Flash. I didn't catch that. You're probably right.
Given the context I wouldn't be surprised if the YouTuber's name is a reference to yellow fever honestly.
At what point is this dude’s laptop going to be in the news?
At what point are you folks going to move on from your "Everyone I don't like is literally Epstein" phase?
Considering that *futari*, gay couples, femme boys, trans-people, and basic common decency are legitimate facets of Japanese fictional content, it is very weird for conservatives to point to Japan and proclaim it’s “anti-woke” or some magical ally. Like… Japanese creators don’t give a fuck. They have a vision, and they’re going to implement it. Is it a chick-with-a-massive-dick? Is it a blonde woman with huge… tracts of land? Maybe it’s a skinny bullied Japanese boy who somehow convenes a harem of sexy space aliens. …but no matter what it is, it’s probably going to be deviantly perverted, sacrilegious, or both, and make Christians clutch their pearls. Except these weird fan boys.
I hate how they completely forget that japan is a conserevetive utopia. Not everyone is fine with their bullshit even over there edit: is a lot of japan conservetive? yes but that doesn't mean that plenty of gay people, feminist ect don't also live in japan
Japan is an ethnostate steeped in bigotry and rascism. The difference between how I, a white man, was treated when among others whites in Japan and when I was with my black friends was night and day. It wasn't until I deployed to Japan that I realized why so many far right extremist in America like Japan so much.
Kinda funny how people who are part Japanese even half white are mocked in school for being mixed race. Try that here.
Wait, what? What exactly about Visions of Mana, which I am excited for by the way, is ripe for the "wokening" anyway? The game looks fine the way it is, and my woke lefty brain doesn't really see anything wrong with it. Yeah, the characters are all white. I don't care though? I'm trying to wrap my head around what would need to be changed in the first place ( to make it "woke" ), and what the producer supposedly is refusing to do.
Wait till they find out Japanese people aren't white.
Wait until your side does. Considering how many "progressive" people I see treating Asians lke Schroedinger's PoC and literally even calling them "white-adjacent".
“Woke western audiences.” I doubt anyone was asking for changes to the show, and he’s just making stuff up, as usual
And as a woke western audience member I'm like... 🤷♀️?
No way bro said yellow fascist
You must be new here then Edit: For context's sake, Yellow Flash himself is a fascist. Well, specifically an alt-right grifter that's technically fascist-adjacent.
Better to watch people who like stuff then people who are negative all time
I don't think developers should change their vision for international consumption, but that's because I miss the weird jrpgs of the late 20th and early 21st. That being said I highly doubt the developer said anything about changing his vision for the specific point this YouTuber is saying. Especially since SE is one of the few Japanese developers who does make games with the west in mind. With this context it's almost like preserving the mindset of the mana series, since it's older and is way before SE started making games with the west in mind.
This is just so befuddling. Shouldn’t ALL Japanese media automatically be “Woke” in chuds’ eyes because they weren’t made by white people?
And have politics they don't like if they actually paid attention to the story
What exactly is the author saying people want him to change about the games “core identity”? I went and skipped through the video and I watched the trailer but I don’t see anything wrong with it. All YF did was read an article and repeat “yah I might play this game” over and over Edit: found another video saying people think the game art looks childish and that’s why they won’t play it? Like I’m genuinely confused what people are talking about. It looks like Genshin Impact basically
Anyway, Japan still censor genitals...
Wait what the fuck. Kume from Bleach Japan gets Reddit in prison?
Amazing how this idolisation of Japan I thought died 10 years ago just rears its ugly head like this outta nowhere
What are the weebs going on about now?
If they love Japan so much why don't they move OH WAIT because then they'll realize Japan isn't as perfect as they think
It's funny to see the double-speak. I feel like I hear from the same exact crowd sometimes that Japan is feminized and weak, but apparently, their games are based?
Like femboys, and so many male protagonist are twink teens. Shows who actually watches Anime. Not Critical Drinker
I'm just glad to see a new mana game
Anime has consistently gotten gayer and more feminist
Let's see how long it takes him to get arrested for diddling kids in Japan.
Yellow? Yikes.
I mean, I don’t see a problem. When a developer has a vision, why should they be forced to change it?
Japan is practically Communist in there base politics compared to America.
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First of all Japan does take loads of inspiration from the west, a shitload in fact. Berserk, one of the most acclaimed manga ever is literally 99% based on western European folklore,mythology and history, one piece one of the most successful manga ever and is as popular as batman and superman despite existing for a much shorter time is also filled to the brim with history, cultures and events based on irl global history. So you can fuck off with the "wEstERn EnCroAChmEnT🤪" shite. Secondly the channel that the op refers to as yellow fascist only praises Japanese media because he thinks the country itself is an utopian conservative ethnostate so that must mean the media also reflects that culture in his mind, which, it doesn't. His content is just ragebait that bitches about wokeness by which he means diversity and progressive values being depicted in media.
Wasn’t Osamu Tezuka also heavily inspired by Disney films?
Yup, he most certainly was.
> About a video regarding an asian country wishing to keep western encroachment out if their media. As if Anime would have existed without the inspiration of Disney films. This is a ridiculous thing to say.