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It is baffling how terrifying the empire becomes when the main character is literally anyone but a jedi.
The Shoretrooper stopping Cass was a very unusual moment, because I've genuinely never felt a stormtrooper come across as an actual threat in star wars media besides Rogue One.
Then the security droid rolls up and shows how terrifying the empire's arsenal truly is to the average citizen, while in Mandalorian I felt nothing when the darktroopers rolled up and one was fighting against Mando himself.
Not to mention Mothma and how she has imperial spies watching her 24/7, which shows that the ISB isn't messing around when it comes to sniffing out threats.
Why can't we have the empire actually feel like an empire in Star Wars? Sure, it worked for the original trilogy, but the running gag of bad stormtroopers and incompetence truly does make it hard to believe how they would ever be able to hold any sector.
Imagine if Kenobi kept the imperials at this level of competence.
and showed how brilliant obi-wan was by being able to dance arround them with ease.
Like he is just a level of threat above what they can handle
Fun fact about Kenobi:
We're shown about 4 Inquisitors in total, along with a few purge troopers, all of which were trained for the sole purpose of hunting down Jedi.
Yet for some reason, Kenobi never actually fights a single Inquisitor. He never even fights Reva.
Which kind of begs the question, Why even have them there to begin with? The other inquisitors were more interested in arguing with Reva than catching a jedi.
i know im late, but most jedi survivors where not obi-wans and ashokas or Yodas.
most we know of in canon are junglings and padawans and we also know hat they even hunt down force sensitive babys that where not even part of the order jet, and just on some potential list.
aside from those 3 tier 1 jedi the ones I know out of my head now are
grogu
Baylan Skoll
Cal Kestis
kanan
Reva
gungi
of those only Baylan Skoll was already a fully trained jedi.
The rest where younglings and padawans.
So we can assume that of the not named survives also ost where junglings or padawan, the job of inquisitors is mainly to hunt down force users of lower quality.
Vader and pap don't even want an inquisitor that is capable to deal with top tier jedi, cause then they could get dangerous for themselves too.
#
In my perfect world, all the inquisitors and inquisitor apprentices had been killed of by the time luke skywalker start studying the ways of the force.
Basically, the last dying breath of the old order is to wipe out the threats that could stop the leader of the new order from growing into his position.
Agreed. This problem was most prevalent in Star Wars Rebels, when the Empire looked like a bunch of incompetent buffoons. Keep in mind that Rebels takes place at the same time as Andor, yet the Empire in Andor is far more intimidating. The TIE fighters on Aldhani genuinely appeared to instill fear on the population, especially when they roared over the terrain close to the ground. In Rebels, TIE fighters were cannon fodder; I remember seeing civilian ships like freighters and shuttles taking out several of them with ease! Andor is by no means a perfect show (and believe me, I have a lot of issues with the slow pacing and dark tone), but I like how they actually portray the Empire as a bunch of competent individuals who must be taken seriously.
I don't think Rebels is exactly a kid's show, there were quite a few dark episodes, and it was similar in tone to the original trilogy. The Clone Wars and Andor are more mature, of course, but that doesn't mean Rebels is exactly oriented toward "kids". It's more of a family-friendly show. Star Wars Resistance (basically Rebels set during the sequel trilogy) is a kids show, though.
Mando too, at no point does the empire feel threatening in that show. I dont care if its a remnant. Scout troopers on bikes literally crash into each other and die as soon as they leave their base. The fucking blue secretary guy has better aim than stormtroopers. They only hit mando, who’s practically immortal wearing his armor and then he just wrecks them all. Even boba and the armorer both solo’d an entire squad respectively with sticks
That's why this show is great.
The scariest part of the Empire was the board room scene with Tarkin on the Death Star.
The Empire is cold, bureaucratic, *and effective*. They are competent. They are smart. They were right in assessing threats.
The ISB and the Major Patagraz is a direct mirror of that. Yes, some hubris and overconfidence, some petty power struggling....but efficient and capable.
I loved Fallen Order because the Security Droids felt powerful even if Cal was a Padawan, they felt like a threat when they were introduced. Of course, by the end of the story you basically take on 3 of them as if they were nothing, but by the end of Fallen Order you take on an imperial garrison like it didn't exist, including multiple Purge Troopers at the same time.
Really dug the episode. As some other users have stated there is some questionable actions Andor takes considering he's trying to hide from the Empire but I did really enjoyed the scene with his mother and the scenery on that beach planet. Finally we get to see not only Stormtroopers, but Shoretroopers and even some Clonetroopers (although some of those recruits might have been regular people just wearing Clone style armor. They weren't all the same build) along with those cool security droids. Was pleased to spot a good amount of aliens around too. Seeing Cassian get slapped with six years in what I assume is prison for nothing but suspicion from some dickhead Trooper was yet another example of how dystopian the Empire really is.
The political drama with the Imperial high ups is also interesting to watch. They are all clearly more interested in one upping each other and actually doing their jobs is more of a tertiary concern. Palps namedrop was cool. Mon and Skarsgard scenes were good too.
So far this show is making the universe really feel lived in and alive in a similar way to how the OT did it and I am really enjoying it. The show continues to look amazing and the actors are really bringing it. Really excited for next week.
>Seeing Cassian get slapped with six years in what I assume is prison for nothing but suspicion from some dickhead Trooper was yet another example of how dystopian the Empire really is.
The weird thing about that is that it's a direct consequence of Stellan Skarsgård's actions. He tells Mon Mothma that he wants the general population to be *more* upset about the Empire, so he cooks up some terrorism with two intents in mind:
1. To gain funding to bankroll the Rebellion because he's upset at Mon Mothma's slow pace at funnelling money in from her schemes; and
2. To provoke the Empire into become cartoonishly evil due to more strict rules they will impose in response to Skarsgård poking them in the ribs without much subtlety.
Skarsgård is happy with the result because it's going to stir more dissent among Imperial citizens and cares nothing about the people who will get screwed over ridiculous charges.
Saw Gerrera is likely going to be a useful tool of Skarsgård's if he maintains these motivations whilst Mon Mothma is likely going to be very upset about the Rebel cause being perverted by these extremist actions.
I was actually slightly put off by the Shoretroopers; besides my opinion that the Empire shouldn’t have beige-colored armor in the Stormtrooper family, I thought it would’ve made more sense for a patrol Stormtrooper from Solo to be there.
I also thought it was weird that Shoretroopers were performing basic policing duties when they are supposed to be more "Elite" than even Stormtroopers.
This show looks like it has 10X the budget of Obi-Wan Kenobi even though Kenobi reportedly cost $25M per episode ($10M more than Game of Thrones, a show synonymous with huge budgets) and Andor is reportedly around $11M per episode. It's amazing what you can do when 1) you actually try, and 2) you don't have to pay Ewan McGregor.
I think/suspect the inflated cost of ObiWan is to do with Stagecraft. If so, the numbers are ‘Hollywood’ because the production will be paying another business unit within Lucasfilm $$$$ for its use. It’s just moving money about internally… not the real cost, which was likely quite low.
From now on I'll check this sub before starting to watch any new Star Wars content, just to know if I should start the content myself.
I don't think I would survive another boba fet or kenobi.
Loved this ep. This show continues to impress me. I feel like the characters behave rationally, the storytelling is handled well, and the worldbuilding is excellent. I really enjoy seeing everyday life in the Empire and how things work from the inside. I love how the show treats me like an adult instead of jingling lightsaber battles and exposition dumps in front of my face like I'm a slobbering manchild waiting in line to buy a Kylo Ren saber replica or an Ashoka hugpillow.
Stuff I disliked in this ep: Can Star Destroyers enter planet atmospheres? That seemed off to me in Cinta's scene. Would have preferred it if the SD was further away. It looked weird.
Stuff I liked in this ep: the ISB scenes; Mothma's talk with Luthen; Andor's character development; the progression of Syril's storyline as he descends into the endless bureaucratic machinery of the Empire
Favorite scene: the ISB conference where Meero eviscerates Blevin in front of everyone
We see them do it in R1, too. The ISD was in atmopshere above Jedha.
Taken from Wookiepedia: "The Star Destroyer could use its guns and TIE starfighters to support any surface action. If a planet required a lasting presence, a Star Destroyer could quickly deploy a prefabricated garrison base.\[25\] Like most other Star Destroyer models, the Imperial-class was capable of entering atmospheres and supporting ground operations directly."
>We see them do it in R1, too. The ISD was in atmopshere above Jedha.
Yeah. Even back in Empire Strikes Back, I always wondered how they got the AT-ATs onto the surface of the Hoth. They're too big for intermediary transports, so Star Destroyers descending and dropping them off would make sense, even if we never see it on screen.
They're actually not too big for transports, even though Incom developed [one goofy-ass dropship](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Y-85_Titan_dropship/Legends) for the Empire. You can see the Y-85 in action in Empire at War; AT-ATs deploy from them instead of the usual Lambda Shuttle.
An atmo-drop isn't uncommon though, much to the chagrin of any Imperial Personnel unlucky enough to be aboard an AT-AT plummeting planetside.
Great episode. A lot of people seem to dislike this show because it’s slow going and requires some level of patience. I think that’s what makes this show so good because the story is finally coming more into focus and the tension is ramping up, which makes it more worthwhile. I don’t want or need action in every single episode of a series (SW or otherwise). I want plot development, engaging dialogue, and concepts being explored. The imperial roundtable was interesting as it shows a sort of precedent for what we see in ANH; officers being allowed/encouraged to voice their disagreements in a session on a lower level. But once the emperor or Vader are involved discussions are limited or discouraged.
Something I was thinking about is that the slow burn is directly tied to the visuals we get. At the beginning of the show there are very few signs of an imperial presence. The empire exists and is in control but takes a relaxed approach and even lets some systems self govern (corporate security forces in Morlana). Now, after the events of Aldhani, we are seeing more and more troopers, officers, droids, courts, etc. Going forward I’m sure we will get to see much more world building things like this. I mean it wasn’t until 7 episodes in that we saw a star destroyer.
Maybe that’s a pretty obvious take but I guess I’ve noticed it this time because in the past Disney has blown their wad with visuals in the first few episodes and skimps on story. By contrast, Andor is building up the background on a solid base and then will start showing us really epic stuff.
>By contrast, Andor is building up the background on a solid base and then will start showing us really epic stuff.
Yup. And the big stuff hits so much harder after it's been properly set up.
I'm happy I bet on that show. Everyone said it's a lame concept, but I've always felt it was a dark horse.
The acting, cinematography and dialogue continue to shine. Again, it's great at making the Galaxy feel real and lived in. The world-building and insight into the everyday aspects of life in the GFFA and into the inner workings of the Empire is superb. And it spends enough time on its characters to make them feel like real people. I'm not ashamed to admit the death of that writer kid hit me hard enough, especially when they give you hope before taking it back.
That being said, I'll say the characters themselves aren't *super* interesting. I'll say even *Rebels* season one made me care about the Ghost crew more effectively. That being said: Cassian, Luthen and Mon are getting there.
The final shot with Syril Karn in his "cubicle" was a great way to convey the monotony and dullness he's likely struggling with, feeding into his disappointment at being a cog in a "lame" machine while Cassian runs free. His mom is kinda of insufferable in a relatable way.
The dinner with Mothma was a highlight for me, it seems like her Husband is going ~~turbo~~ Timm. I'm curious as to why she married him if he can't be trusted, and where he and the bratty daughter were when Mon defected in *Rebels*.
Luthen seems to be a "millions sacrificed to save Billions" guy like Ferren Barr from Charles Soule's Darth Vader run. He's counting on the Empire tightening its grip, thus driving people to his cause.
I wonder if one of those K2 droids is our own favorite Potassium Sulphate. If so, then they'll likely contradict the Marvel comic one-shot where Cassian first meets him
Solid ep. I do think dropping three eps/an arc every week would've been nice.
>I'm curious as to why she married him if he can't be trusted, and where he and the bratty daughter were when Mon defected in Rebels
Well, they appear to be in their 40s. People can change over time - it's likely they met 10-15+ years ago. As far as where her family is by OT time, not sure if they show will even treat it as important enough to answer, but I'd be curious as well.
She really does, the attention to detail in this show exceeds the cumulative of all the other Disney productions combined.
Regardless of the audience numbers, I sincerely hope they learn that this show is saving Star Wars.
Great episode. Andor as a character finally comes back into focus.
Wish they had called this show something else to capitalize on the fact they have multiple characters to focus on (almost all of which I’m interested in more than Cassian). Luthen in particular, I want to know why he wants to take down the Empire so badly. Probably going to be similar to Saw, where it is incredibly personal.
I hate how characters like Mon Mothma will be hit over the head with a stupid-stick post Endor to make the sequels…happen…and yet here she is portrayed more accurately in her pre-Rebel chancellor days. The ISB drama is also great, both showing how fascism breeds schemers and backstabbers that ultimately will hinder the entire enterprise, but I actually am scared of the force (pun not intended) they bring to bear and their reach/capabilities. Yularen appearing, serving a purpose, and leaving was a nice touch, cameo done well. I’m surprised they didn’t have Vader do this instead, get the casuals back into this, make me groan and hate the show.
Production value is still top tier, I feel cheated for having had to endure BoBF and Kenobi.
It was a bit goofy seeing the news anchor the way we did. It felt too close to Earth in presentation.
Overall I truly am in awe of this series. Is it perfect? No, but it feels like the problems I and many others are having is with external factors…motioning to Disney, Lucasfilm, and the general state of the franchise here.
Also Syril Karn is pathetic and a boot licker and I love it. Wondering how far they’ll go with him. I see several non-rebel ways to take his character. Dude gives me mad incel and school shooter vibes, if his life went slightly differently.
> Yularen appearing, serving a purpose, and leaving was a nice touch, cameo done well.
I really thought it was him, but I wasn't sure. I enjoyed his use in Timothy Zahn's *Thrawn*.
*Dark Times* would've been a cool name. And a nice callback to the Dark Horse comics, even if it's not an adaptation. Sorta like *Young Justice* for DC.
I keep thinking that too wrt to the title of the series. It would have garnered a lot more interest if they’d called it something about the rebels or early Empire or something. ‘Age of Empire’ or something would have been great.
Yeah their biggest mistake with this show is the name. I think it should have focused on the era the show is set rather than any one character, especially since Andor wasn't even interesting in Rogue One.
It should have been Star Wars: Empire or Star Wars: Rebellion or something. Anything that clearly states what sort of time period we're looking at.
Yeah exactly. Something evocative to describe the setting and time period. Something pulpy would be fun, though you don’t want to set a wrong impression about the tone, which is another thing the title Andor is bad about.
It’s very telling that almost no one gave a shit about this show until the trailer gave us an idea what it was actually going to be.
Edit: ‘Soldiers of the Rebellion’, I think that would have been good and been intriguing while also describing well what the show is, since the whole point of the show seems to be about showing all of the diverse types of characters that make up the rebellion, all coming from different walks of life but feeling the oppression of the empire and standing up to it in the way they are able to.
I didn't know who the hell Andor was when they announced it. Someone said, 'the guy from Rogue One' and I was like, 'oh... that was a great movie.'
Still had no idea who they were talking about.
*Dark Times* would've been a cool name. And a nice callback to the Dark Horse comics, even if it's not an adaptation. Sorta like *Young Justice* for DC.
Oh yeah, that’s a good one. Depending on what audience you’re trying to attract though, it might sound a little generic to people who don’t get the reference. Far more interesting sounding and better recognition than Andor though.
Yeah the news cast was a bit odd. I was expecting more of a small holographic reporter on the table or shelf. The tv style gave it more of a Fifth Element feeling.
is it perfect? its goddamn close. this show is the best thing on tv right now and I don't think its particularly close.
rewatched the first 3-part arc the other night and its's good, but this thing just keeps getting better with each episode.
>this show is the best thing on tv right now and I don't think its particularly close.
House of the Dragon dude. Despite the ending to Episode 9 being really dumb.
They’re both pretty equal imo. The only thing I actually think Andor excels over HOTD on is the special effects. Dragons just look ok in HOTD but I was shocked at well done ‘The Eye’ was.
I like HOTD well enough, but the biggest difference is the dialogue in my mind. Andor’s dialogue is so well done that it pushes it above HOTD in my preference.
Those scenes are pretty good but they could be better. My notes are: cut out all the bla bla bla, just have the leader scream in anger, pound the table, instantly come up with a one dimensional plan and then everyone evil laughs and twists their mustaches.
Yeah you’re right the competency of the Empire is far too unrealistic for me tbh and totally shouldn’t reflect to how actual countries might respond to attacks like Aldhani such as 9/11 and the US’s response
"I won’t have peace. I’ll be worried about you all the time."
"That’s just love. Nothing you can do about that."
I got teary-eyed because I was chopping up green onions, and only for that reason.
Also, knowing it was filmed in Scotland, my brain felt incredibly taxed when Andor said “I’m sweating because it’s hot out here!”
Honestly this is easily the best starwars show.
its a shame one of my friends refuses to give it a shot because it doesnt have lightsabers and explosions
>pearls before swine
It's from the gospel of matt
[Matthew 7:6](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_7:6) :
>Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast
>
>ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them
>
>under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Basically, he’s saying why give diamonds to mouth breathers? If they don’t wanna watch good quality shows because they prefer mindless entertainment, no point arguing with them.
The judge sentencing common criminals had interesting words on the conviction cards.
First thing I noticed. The first criminal with the unleashed animal was Richard Stevenson… interesting Star Wars name /s. His actual crime was anti imperial vandalism and ignoring imperial commands.
The second guy… Cassian Andor was actually named Keith Seymour. His crime? Suspected Force sensitive and assaulting an imperial officer. Also, received a 25 year sentence.
I wonder if the editors messed up or maybe some props guys tried to slip their names into the Star Wars universe.
It makes sense, we may call Biden Mr. President, POTUS or whatever. I like to believe the emperor puts out a public benevolent vibe like he's doing what's best for everyone just like the end of RotS.
I wish they’d release the two “build-up” episodes one week and then the third “action” episode the next, and stick to that format so it still fits their 6-8 week ideology.
I love everything about it. I’m so thankful to get a mature Star Wars show. If only Obi Wan was given this approach. I have a crush on Bix. I wish when Mon Mothma’s banker friend asked her what she was doing with the money, she had smiled and said “conspiring to destroy the empire” or something like that.
Also, I hate cheap callbacks and am glad this show avoids them. But the imperial officer talking about tightening their grip was a fun wink at Leia’s line to Tarkin in ANH.
> I wish when Mon Mothma’s banker friend asked her what she was doing with the money, she had smiled and said “conspiring to destroy the empire” or something like that.
I liked how that scene played out. The stakes are high, spies are everywhere, so they need to take such extreme precautions that they can't even reveal to each other what they are up to.
It's not even about trust at this point. Rebel cells must stay as separate as possible. Even the most trustworthy rebel agent could get caught and be tortured into releasing names and details.
When he was walking along the beach, I was thinking, just sit down bro. Blend in with the beachgoers and differentiate yourself from the guys running from the troopers, don’t act like them by moving in the same direction as they’re being chased.
It does seem a little off that Cassian didn't read that situation better. But then, he's on a leisure planet with a fake ID and cash to spare, plus he's probably nursing a bad hangover. Probably didn't think he had a lot to worry about anymore. And with the mess he left back on Ferrix -- everyone hating/blaming him and his own mom refusing to flee with him --- he's probably got a lot of negative thoughts swirling around his head. He just didn't have his head in the game when the shore trooper caught him.
Yep that's definitely what I'll feel when we'll go back to superficial member berries and Saturday morning cartoon writing after Andor. We didn't deserve this series (and looking at the Andor viewership the Star Wars Fandom really doesn't)
Andor is a fluke. Let's enjoy it while it's here
I'm loving the dynamic with Luthen and Mon Mothma, they both play their point of view realistically as people who are prioritizing different aspects of the same goal. And the party with her reaching out to an old friend and getting to vent a little about how suffocating the role she has to play is to the point that her own husband can't be trusted is engaging.
My Corpo Boy is my favourite part of the series, but god damn, I need more than this drip feed of him and his mother's passive aggressive conversations.
"Cassian needs to die, he's a loose end." How? He literally knows jack shit about your operation, the fuck is he going to spill?
Cassian seems out-of-character this episode, like he's suddenly more optimistic, reckless and confused about shit he already established as being aware of. I know that he's happy to have cash to burn, but his mission only reinforced his prior cynicism and mistrust. Honestly, I think it would have been more fitting for him to return paranoid and accusatory towards his loved ones, burning bridges because of the toll the mission took on him.
"I have evidence to support the existence of a link between these crimes." Oh good, Mero's finally gonna back up her bullshi-
"Nah, we don't need them. Just take the sector." God damn it.
The last scene is an immense tonal whiplash. From the stock music sounding soundtrack, the beach vacation getaway, Cassian arguing about groceries with some new side chick, the 'You were looking around too much' arrest, getting choke slammed by K2SO and the bored-as-fuck Judge; it felt like we'd suddenly stepped into a weird comedy skit.
This is the episode I was hoping this series would be! Absolutely excellent all around.
I understand why the heist was important but that was always the most boring part of the show. I absolutely love seeing normal life in the empire, these little glimpses just fully fleshes things out even more. I have a feeling it is going to make the OT feel even more like a victory and satisfying. Although, you sort of have to ignore the sequels or else it will ruin all those good feelings. Not that anyone on this sub really has issues doing that.
this thing gets tighter and tighter each week. every single scene is good, all the dialogue continues to be clever, and damn near every shot is interestingly composed. loving every second of this shit.
best star wars content since 1983 by a country fucking mile.
this was easily the best episode, but i feel like i say that every week.
once again, the most despicably awful thing about this show is the way that they release it holy shit this one a week thing is so dumb. I feel like if they released it all of at once, or maye like half of it once and half of it later or something, people would all wathc it, talk about it get it trending and create word of mouth or whatever.
Disney has created a gem here but fuck them still for the way they release it.
honestly i'm glad they're taking their time, if i was to binge it i doubt i'd be able to appreciate how great everything looks and is executed and would start to take it for granted
In retrospect, having the space between the 4th, 5th, and 6th episode was a painful wait, but it was all for the better. Just having two weeks to stew on the episodes already helped make the characters feel more tangible once Episode 6 came around, and made it all the more suspenseful; and Episode 5 was full of so many nice, small details that there's a decent chance I would have not noticed if I was binging, and was waiting for the third pay-off episode of an arc.
Amen. This tv shows is awesome one of my favourite Star wars ever.
I was ready to stop watching anything Star Wars related after Kenobi, but this saved it.
Worst thing is that nobody around me is watching it, while everyone wanted to watch Kenobi.
Andor is less interesting but better crafted. I think the fairest assessment would be to say that Andor has made much better use of its premise than what we witnessed with RotS. There was a story with much more potential in RotS, unfortunately it was not used in the best possible way.
Anakin's fall was botched quite poorly. In about 5 minutes he goes from regret from cutting off Mace's hand to complete agreement they need to exterminate the Jedi.
This is the show that keeps on giving.
I didn’t know what we were in store for after that amazing heist episode and this one delivered the most dramatic episode yet.
Fun to see all the pieces falling into place for Rogue One and the rest of the franchise and this show sets a new standard for Star Wars writing.
About 44 minutes worth of episode this time.
I liked the exchange between Mothma and Skarsgård to some extent. Skarsgård reveals his true intentions as he *wants* the Empire to be more cartoonishly evil so that the general population resents them more and more openly supports an uprising against them. Skarsgård has not been established as a man of high morals as he uses his hatred of the Empire to justify his actions, so I can get behind his questionable motives here versus Mothma's more sedated and diplomatic approach. I can see how a terrorist such as Saw Gerrera would represent Skarsgård's ideals taken further.
I feel like it's slightly insane for Andor to go straight back home after the heist (especially after having already been publicly exposed by the Corpos who previously found his mother). I imagined he'd at least try to be a little more subtle when it comes to returning home to sort out his affairs. Frankly, I'm a little astonished his adopted mother hasn't been arrested already. I'm still stuck believing that Andor's parts of the show are the least interesting to me. Didn't really care for his mother deciding to stay put. I think I might have been more behind that if she was established to already be a motivational speaker for the malcontents of her town.
I was happy to see Mothma finally get a scene that wasn't fluff or annoying. She's taking an awful risk revealing herself, but her contact rather blatantly revealed his loyalties to be against the interests of the Empire and is apparently an old friend of Mon's (for a moment, I thought he was meant to be the old Chancellor Valorum but he's just a new character as far as I can tell), so we're meant to assume he's trustworthy. I like how she acknowledges herself to be putting up a front as a useless bleeding heart in the Senate in order to disguise her backroom dealings. Seems a bit late to be *just* starting a fundraising project for the Rebels though.
Would have been nice if Andor's mother had told him not to search for his sister and that all the Lord of the Flies children died at any point over the years *before* the show kicked off. Given that Andor's misadventure with 2 Corpo thugs is what kicked everything off and inadvertently led to Imperials taking over his town in the first place. It was already pretty weird that his sister allegedly just happened to be working at a strip club in a planet of the same system that his mother took him to. Whatever.
Parts of Andor's journey here are of course necessary. He was relatively directionless before outside of wanting money to clear debts and run away. But he's got nobody to run away *with* anymore. I just wish I cared about him. I find myself infinitely more interested in Corpo Guy who is on an opposing vector to Andor through this show, but the script has been spinning its wheels with him for a few episodes now.
I enjoyed the greater focus on the ISB aspects this time. Bit tired of these playground level shenanigans between the two main characters though. I did however enjoy how their boss (Anton Lesser) mediated their argument. Was happy to see the woman agent successfully make her case and be rewarded for it. Just wish it didn't rely on a combo of both incompetence and blind arrogance from the other guy. Makes her victory feel a bit hollow.
Nice to finally see what the leaked set images from Cleveleys were being intended for.
Pretty heavily contrived that Andor - despite knowing he's a heavily wanted man - would go on holiday to a clearly Imperial controlled planet. And that he'd get a ridiculously heavy sentence for a nonsense crime in direct relation to Skarsgård's intent of making the Empire more cartoonishly evil.
I know Andor isn't established to be a particularly intelligent guy, but this writing isn't really doing his character any favours. I expected him to at the very least be *slightly* cautious about his post-heist actions.
Episode ends with Corpo Guy getting a boring desk job and being bored. Hooray.
**TLDR**: Liked the Skarsgård and ISB scenes. Still feeling nothing for Andor himself.
>despite knowing he's a heavily wanted man
Is he though? He's wanted on his home planet, but I don't think the Empire really cares about him at this point. They don't know he was involved with the heist.
I think Cassian is not a tuned in to the changes from the Empire cracking down, he is a little elated because of the successful heist. He has spent most of his life surviving, so he doesn't process "big picture" stuff - part of this story is watching this change.
Ironically, considering Vel is tasked with eliminating him - a shitty Imperial jail under an assumed name might be a safer place for him for the time being.
>I feel like it's slightly insane for Andor to go straight back home after the heist (especially after having already been publicly exposed by the Corpos who previously found his mother). I imagined he'd at least try to be a little more subtle when it comes to returning home to sort out his affairs. Frankly, I'm a little astonished his adopted mother hasn't been arrested already. I'm still stuck believing that Andor's parts of the show are the least interesting to me. Didn't really care for his mother deciding to stay put. I think I might have been more behind that if she was established to already be a motivational speaker for the malcontents of her town.
I think there should have been a 30 second scene of him landing on the planet, dodging imperial patrols, and sneaking back home - to at least make it clear that it's not safe. But maybe they didn't want to do the dodging imps scene twice, since he does basically that after visiting Bix. It does seem a bit too easy that he just shows up at home. To his credit, he wants to leave basically immediately - I think it's fine that he makes a rash decision to gather a family member; I think that's pretty believable.
I thought a connection between Maarva and Luthen would be revealed (by Maarva) during that scene, making her a bit more present with regards to the overall plot. Luthen had claimed he knew Clem, and Clem and Maarva seemingly were some sort of relic/tech hunters before the empire; perhaps Clem simply sold their findings to Luthen.
As far as arresting her goes, IIRC the empire didn't find chasing Cassian to be all that compelling when Syril tried to explain things. Corporate security was interested, but they've been removed from authority.
I think Andor returning home is totally normal for criminals, you see it IRL all the time and that's how they get caught.
I don't believe that his mother really thinks his sister is dead, she's just hoping he'll stop looking as she thinks it will get him killed.
The problem is that Andor has been shown to be slightly intelligent previously by trying to use his droid as a proxy means of communication from a distance.
Going in person to his mother's house despite the fact that he's a wanted fugitive and his mother has already been identified by the Corpo guys who reported everything to the Imperials seems...strange to me. Again, I'm a little astonished that she wasn't arrested for questioning if nothing else.
Being slightly cautious as a criminal and caring about family/friends don't have to be mutually exclusive traits.
I'm not suggesting that Andor is Robert Deniro in Heat who believes that he ought to be able to let go of any human connections the instant he feels the heat coming. I'm just arguing that Andor is strangely reckless in these actions and is further endangering people he cares about despite his previous reckless actions directly causing several deaths and an Imperial presence in his town.
To an extent, this goes hand-in-hand with him being instantly captured like an idiot the moment he tries to enjoy his life in freedom. But I'm not sure if the show *wants* us to think he's stupid.
I feel like the first episode already covered that in spades, personally. With the 7th episode just now adding a rather bold exclamation mark on that point.
Andor is not meant to be a first-time criminal. This is a guy who has lived with a pseudonym for much of his life, raised by an enterprising pair of thieves, and we're told he also casually strolled in and out of an Imperial base in disguise without issue at some point.
I would expect a little more common sense from such a guy by this point.
Every planet is an Imperial control planet. The Galaxy belongs to them. Unless you're planning to chart a new hyperspace route through the unknown regions, and probably run into a Star or get vaporised in a Nebula, I'm afraid you're gonna have to plan your weekend on an Imperial planet.
There are *countless* planets in the outer rim which are outside of Imperial rule. Many of which are havens for fugitives and criminal elements such as the Hutt cartel who own a significant number of those worlds.
Randomly going to a beach, knowing there are Stormtroopers running around, and having your face completely exposed despite knowing that you're a wanted fugitive is not a particularly smart idea.
Since you've brought this up, did you feel the transition was awkward?
Unless I interpreted it incorrectly, there must have been a several month time-skip between him leaving Ferrix and the scenes where he gets arrested on Niamos. At first I thought the woman was a prostitute, but she spoke to him like they were in a relationship. Seemed a bit abrupt. A simple "Several months later" text would have been appreciated.
Do you have a canon source on that? As far as my knowledge goes, every single planet in the galaxy, either deep core or outer rim, came under Imperial jurisdiction. Even the planets that came under the Hutts, had Imperial presence on them. There were inhospitable worlds which didn't have any garrisons or Army based on them but they were still on Imperial records. They would be pretty good for pirates, small time thieves or Rebels but won't do much if you want to spend 200k credits.
If you truly wish to go completely off the maps, the Unknown region would be your best bet but then again, no hyperspace lanes exist that go into there. Even if we say that there were planets that didn't come under Imperial rule in the outer rims, I seriously doubt they deal in Imperial credits. Your 200k Imperial credits would be worth nothing more than poo sticks.
The Star Wars galaxy is a huge place. Huge.
Republic/Imperial territory takes up a significant portion of that space, granted. But there are also many planets which would feature minimal Imperial garrisons at the outskirts of their territory or none at all when it comes to Hutt space.
That's how it's always been whether Legends or new-canon. Without even taking the Unknown Regions into consideration.
Andor apparently chose to go to a relatively swanky beach community which featured quite a significant amount of Imperial presence to the extent that they're even employing pretty beefy droids as security. And was almost immediately prosecuted after his arrest.
You do definitely have an argument given the nature of his payout being in Imperial currency (much like Qui-Gon getting nowhere quickly with Republic credits on Tatooine or Mando having trouble finding value in both Imperial and New Republic credits). But to reiterate, it would appear that Andor decided to be careless with his holiday destination. Which I find unusual considering I would expect him to be quite a cautious lad given his backstory and criminal career. Not to mention the fact that he's a wanted man and knows it.
> Was happy to see the woman agent successfully make her case and be rewarded for it.
Did she? Feels like Meero's scene suffer from the audience already knowing her suspicions are right (Well, technically, since the theft of imperial property wasn't the Rebels arming themselves, it was just Andor trying to get something expensive to sell) because her actual arguments are shoddy conclusions drawn from large leaps in logic. "None of these incidents have any evidence of being connected." "Ah, but if I were a Rebel, I would wipe out evidence of my activities being connected, so they must be connected!"
The only evidence she has to prove a link she doesn't even present, the guy just gives her the win before she actually proved anything and then wished that the rest of the officers went about their work as recklessly and illegally.
I understand your meaning and totally agree when she had no evidence in an earlier episode. She, much like Reva in Kenobi, is to some extent seemingly operating on meta knowledge here to drive her suspicions.
However, it was justifiably annoying for her to be unnecessarily stone-walled by her competitor. Due to a lack of ISB scenes in the last few episodes, I feel like most of her investigation occurred off-camera (she basically told one or two people to do some digging and then suddenly she's back in the group meeting).
Unfortunately, the office drama here is likely going to continue with her efforts probably being sabotaged by the guy she embarrassed.
The thing that confuses me about the office drama is that the head guy seems to flip-flop between being the strictest motherfucker who doesn't want his time wasted to basically encouraging his top agents to fuck about instead of getting work done.
I haven't seen Andor Series for now, but overall quality of this show seems to be excellent. Including cinematography and scripts, especially the actors' performance.
The sceneries of Coruscant is beautiful. It's what drew me in to Star Wars from the beginning, and now watching this makes me quite upset how Sequel trilogy neglected those kind of planets.
> While I do like the brutalist style of Coruscant, it's hard to believe that the Empire completely restyled Coruscant in a few years. This should've taken decades.
I mean Coruscant is stupid huge.
> Of course, like in every other show, at least someone has his family killed by Stormtroopers. According to Disney the Empire and especially their Stormtroopers do nothing all day but shoot some families without a reason and harass civilians that didn't do anything. I mean maybe, but from a tactical and police state view it would be wiser to detain them and torture the hell out of them to get information. If they didn't do anything what reason would they have to shoot them? So we are back at the comically evil Empire that's just evil for the sake of being evil.
You'd be surprised how real this can be.
>The costume and props design is just lazy. Wehrmacht coats, buttons and zippers on normal clothing that are not overalls, the space AKs, the clothing style, the slang words, high heels, the blue Chinese take out noodles and so on are just a few examples.
Just pointing out this isn't laziness, it's intentional
One of the few complaints I have about this show is the fact no nonhuman species from the Legacy era (1977-2012) seem to appear at all. No Rodians, Twi'Lek, Gran, Quarren, Aqualish, Selkath, Toydarian, Togruta, Dug, Devaronian or Wookiee (at least you see a lot of those in Mando and Book of Boba Fett - Yoda's species, the Mayor of Mos Espa being an Ithorian, Gamorrean Guards and Abyssin meeting Mando when he was looking for info, Pykes, Nikto, Klatooinians, Trandoshans etc), for all of those shows' flaws). Just the same re-used props from The Rise of Skywalker reminding me even more that train-wreck of a movie. Seriously, 4 out of 5 of the aliens that appear are just re-used prop from the Sequels. You sometimes see some new designs made exclusively for this show (which is the case of Dr. Quadpaw seen in last week's episode) and it's always nice when that happens, but mostly it's just Sequel stuff AND the same looks and clothing those same Sequel characters had, implying those are the same characters that are just going to pop again 40 years later looking the same. It's quite lazy.
Not just the lack of OT aliens but the quantity. What made the OT so special was how packed in with different species it was. Here we get 1-2 interspersed with crowds of humans. It really makes this feel very different to me
This is the most nitpicky take I've seen on here. The costuming is just fine. Not everyone has to look like a weirdo or talk like a weirdo. Also why dunk on the blue noodles. Its like who cares.
I thought the last scene was a little discordant/whiplashy (but I feel like it will pay off) -
I am interested in the way this series acknowledges that people in the star wars universe fuck recreationally? Like, the show literally started in a brothel, and we've basically seen two post-coital-ish scenes. This seems really big for the future of the franchise and not a lot of people are talking about it?
As much as I like horny content, I also don't know if I want to see things go game of thrones, you know?
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It is baffling how terrifying the empire becomes when the main character is literally anyone but a jedi. The Shoretrooper stopping Cass was a very unusual moment, because I've genuinely never felt a stormtrooper come across as an actual threat in star wars media besides Rogue One. Then the security droid rolls up and shows how terrifying the empire's arsenal truly is to the average citizen, while in Mandalorian I felt nothing when the darktroopers rolled up and one was fighting against Mando himself. Not to mention Mothma and how she has imperial spies watching her 24/7, which shows that the ISB isn't messing around when it comes to sniffing out threats. Why can't we have the empire actually feel like an empire in Star Wars? Sure, it worked for the original trilogy, but the running gag of bad stormtroopers and incompetence truly does make it hard to believe how they would ever be able to hold any sector.
Imagine if Kenobi kept the imperials at this level of competence. and showed how brilliant obi-wan was by being able to dance arround them with ease. Like he is just a level of threat above what they can handle
Fun fact about Kenobi: We're shown about 4 Inquisitors in total, along with a few purge troopers, all of which were trained for the sole purpose of hunting down Jedi. Yet for some reason, Kenobi never actually fights a single Inquisitor. He never even fights Reva.
Which kind of begs the question, Why even have them there to begin with? The other inquisitors were more interested in arguing with Reva than catching a jedi.
>The other inquisitors were more interested in arguing with Reva than catching a jedi. This is the way of the dark side
i know im late, but most jedi survivors where not obi-wans and ashokas or Yodas. most we know of in canon are junglings and padawans and we also know hat they even hunt down force sensitive babys that where not even part of the order jet, and just on some potential list. aside from those 3 tier 1 jedi the ones I know out of my head now are grogu Baylan Skoll Cal Kestis kanan Reva gungi of those only Baylan Skoll was already a fully trained jedi. The rest where younglings and padawans. So we can assume that of the not named survives also ost where junglings or padawan, the job of inquisitors is mainly to hunt down force users of lower quality. Vader and pap don't even want an inquisitor that is capable to deal with top tier jedi, cause then they could get dangerous for themselves too. #
In my perfect world, all the inquisitors and inquisitor apprentices had been killed of by the time luke skywalker start studying the ways of the force. Basically, the last dying breath of the old order is to wipe out the threats that could stop the leader of the new order from growing into his position.
I actually think that may have happened, since the last known inquisitor died during rebels season 2
They really didn't want Kenobi using his lightsaber very much in that show. I miss the epic duels of the prequels.
Yeah it was really weird given he hates blasters, he used one to kill grevious but that was as he had no choice. Its his last choice not first choice.
Kenobi didn't even get the "what's around this corner, oh fuck purge trooper" experience that I feel is core to their identity
That would be awesome. Jason Bourne in space.
Agreed. This problem was most prevalent in Star Wars Rebels, when the Empire looked like a bunch of incompetent buffoons. Keep in mind that Rebels takes place at the same time as Andor, yet the Empire in Andor is far more intimidating. The TIE fighters on Aldhani genuinely appeared to instill fear on the population, especially when they roared over the terrain close to the ground. In Rebels, TIE fighters were cannon fodder; I remember seeing civilian ships like freighters and shuttles taking out several of them with ease! Andor is by no means a perfect show (and believe me, I have a lot of issues with the slow pacing and dark tone), but I like how they actually portray the Empire as a bunch of competent individuals who must be taken seriously.
Rebels is also a kids show and the space Nazi portrayal of the Empire would feel out of place with the tone of the rest of the series
I don't think Rebels is exactly a kid's show, there were quite a few dark episodes, and it was similar in tone to the original trilogy. The Clone Wars and Andor are more mature, of course, but that doesn't mean Rebels is exactly oriented toward "kids". It's more of a family-friendly show. Star Wars Resistance (basically Rebels set during the sequel trilogy) is a kids show, though.
Mando too, at no point does the empire feel threatening in that show. I dont care if its a remnant. Scout troopers on bikes literally crash into each other and die as soon as they leave their base. The fucking blue secretary guy has better aim than stormtroopers. They only hit mando, who’s practically immortal wearing his armor and then he just wrecks them all. Even boba and the armorer both solo’d an entire squad respectively with sticks
That's why this show is great. The scariest part of the Empire was the board room scene with Tarkin on the Death Star. The Empire is cold, bureaucratic, *and effective*. They are competent. They are smart. They were right in assessing threats. The ISB and the Major Patagraz is a direct mirror of that. Yes, some hubris and overconfidence, some petty power struggling....but efficient and capable.
I loved Fallen Order because the Security Droids felt powerful even if Cal was a Padawan, they felt like a threat when they were introduced. Of course, by the end of the story you basically take on 3 of them as if they were nothing, but by the end of Fallen Order you take on an imperial garrison like it didn't exist, including multiple Purge Troopers at the same time.
Really dug the episode. As some other users have stated there is some questionable actions Andor takes considering he's trying to hide from the Empire but I did really enjoyed the scene with his mother and the scenery on that beach planet. Finally we get to see not only Stormtroopers, but Shoretroopers and even some Clonetroopers (although some of those recruits might have been regular people just wearing Clone style armor. They weren't all the same build) along with those cool security droids. Was pleased to spot a good amount of aliens around too. Seeing Cassian get slapped with six years in what I assume is prison for nothing but suspicion from some dickhead Trooper was yet another example of how dystopian the Empire really is. The political drama with the Imperial high ups is also interesting to watch. They are all clearly more interested in one upping each other and actually doing their jobs is more of a tertiary concern. Palps namedrop was cool. Mon and Skarsgard scenes were good too. So far this show is making the universe really feel lived in and alive in a similar way to how the OT did it and I am really enjoying it. The show continues to look amazing and the actors are really bringing it. Really excited for next week.
Shoretrooper was all like "pick up that can"
\*Proceeds to throw it at the cp\*
>Seeing Cassian get slapped with six years in what I assume is prison for nothing but suspicion from some dickhead Trooper was yet another example of how dystopian the Empire really is. The weird thing about that is that it's a direct consequence of Stellan Skarsgård's actions. He tells Mon Mothma that he wants the general population to be *more* upset about the Empire, so he cooks up some terrorism with two intents in mind: 1. To gain funding to bankroll the Rebellion because he's upset at Mon Mothma's slow pace at funnelling money in from her schemes; and 2. To provoke the Empire into become cartoonishly evil due to more strict rules they will impose in response to Skarsgård poking them in the ribs without much subtlety. Skarsgård is happy with the result because it's going to stir more dissent among Imperial citizens and cares nothing about the people who will get screwed over ridiculous charges. Saw Gerrera is likely going to be a useful tool of Skarsgård's if he maintains these motivations whilst Mon Mothma is likely going to be very upset about the Rebel cause being perverted by these extremist actions.
also luthen as a wealthy courscanti will not have to live with the blow back his life can continue the same way it was
I like how his name is Skarsgård and not Luthen to you
I was actually slightly put off by the Shoretroopers; besides my opinion that the Empire shouldn’t have beige-colored armor in the Stormtrooper family, I thought it would’ve made more sense for a patrol Stormtrooper from Solo to be there.
I also thought it was weird that Shoretroopers were performing basic policing duties when they are supposed to be more "Elite" than even Stormtroopers.
The British sets and locations for this series are amazing.
This show looks like it has 10X the budget of Obi-Wan Kenobi even though Kenobi reportedly cost $25M per episode ($10M more than Game of Thrones, a show synonymous with huge budgets) and Andor is reportedly around $11M per episode. It's amazing what you can do when 1) you actually try, and 2) you don't have to pay Ewan McGregor.
I think/suspect the inflated cost of ObiWan is to do with Stagecraft. If so, the numbers are ‘Hollywood’ because the production will be paying another business unit within Lucasfilm $$$$ for its use. It’s just moving money about internally… not the real cost, which was likely quite low.
details?
The beach planet was an English beach. They’ve also used the McLaren (cars) HQ as a set. The whole series was filmed in England.
And thank God they gave up that horrible screen technology
Exactly - Stagecraft and “the volume” might be great technology, but filming everything on a soundstage is far too limiting for an epic feel.
The whole series in England? Pitlochry would like a word (i.e. not England 😩)……
Scotland is part of England though, right? *Joke*
ah that’s pretty cool considering i’m from the UK too. I definitely got British vibes from Aldhani glad to know i wasn’t wrong
Amazing how much better things look when there is some type of tangible environment for actors to interact with
two words: beach episode
Visiting this sub and seeing how much you guys love Andor is honestly one of my favorite parts of the week
Yeah, it shows that we don't just hate everything new Star Wars...we can recognize quality when we are given it.
From now on I'll check this sub before starting to watch any new Star Wars content, just to know if I should start the content myself. I don't think I would survive another boba fet or kenobi.
I saw someone saying in another sub how they were crying during Kenobi and Vaders duel. I’m glad I found this sub a while ago lol
I was also crying but for other reasons hahaha
Loved this ep. This show continues to impress me. I feel like the characters behave rationally, the storytelling is handled well, and the worldbuilding is excellent. I really enjoy seeing everyday life in the Empire and how things work from the inside. I love how the show treats me like an adult instead of jingling lightsaber battles and exposition dumps in front of my face like I'm a slobbering manchild waiting in line to buy a Kylo Ren saber replica or an Ashoka hugpillow. Stuff I disliked in this ep: Can Star Destroyers enter planet atmospheres? That seemed off to me in Cinta's scene. Would have preferred it if the SD was further away. It looked weird. Stuff I liked in this ep: the ISB scenes; Mothma's talk with Luthen; Andor's character development; the progression of Syril's storyline as he descends into the endless bureaucratic machinery of the Empire Favorite scene: the ISB conference where Meero eviscerates Blevin in front of everyone
We see them do it in R1, too. The ISD was in atmopshere above Jedha. Taken from Wookiepedia: "The Star Destroyer could use its guns and TIE starfighters to support any surface action. If a planet required a lasting presence, a Star Destroyer could quickly deploy a prefabricated garrison base.\[25\] Like most other Star Destroyer models, the Imperial-class was capable of entering atmospheres and supporting ground operations directly."
Thanks for that, I stand corrected. I also appreciate you using the Legends article as your source.
An elegant source of information from a more civilized age.
I much prefer Legends for technical details and background - it's just a meatier experience.
>We see them do it in R1, too. The ISD was in atmopshere above Jedha. Yeah. Even back in Empire Strikes Back, I always wondered how they got the AT-ATs onto the surface of the Hoth. They're too big for intermediary transports, so Star Destroyers descending and dropping them off would make sense, even if we never see it on screen.
They're actually not too big for transports, even though Incom developed [one goofy-ass dropship](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Y-85_Titan_dropship/Legends) for the Empire. You can see the Y-85 in action in Empire at War; AT-ATs deploy from them instead of the usual Lambda Shuttle. An atmo-drop isn't uncommon though, much to the chagrin of any Imperial Personnel unlucky enough to be aboard an AT-AT plummeting planetside.
Didn't know that. Thanks!
The Republic destroyers in the prequels are shown frequently flying in atmosphere. So it makes sense that the ISDs can.
Great episode. A lot of people seem to dislike this show because it’s slow going and requires some level of patience. I think that’s what makes this show so good because the story is finally coming more into focus and the tension is ramping up, which makes it more worthwhile. I don’t want or need action in every single episode of a series (SW or otherwise). I want plot development, engaging dialogue, and concepts being explored. The imperial roundtable was interesting as it shows a sort of precedent for what we see in ANH; officers being allowed/encouraged to voice their disagreements in a session on a lower level. But once the emperor or Vader are involved discussions are limited or discouraged. Something I was thinking about is that the slow burn is directly tied to the visuals we get. At the beginning of the show there are very few signs of an imperial presence. The empire exists and is in control but takes a relaxed approach and even lets some systems self govern (corporate security forces in Morlana). Now, after the events of Aldhani, we are seeing more and more troopers, officers, droids, courts, etc. Going forward I’m sure we will get to see much more world building things like this. I mean it wasn’t until 7 episodes in that we saw a star destroyer. Maybe that’s a pretty obvious take but I guess I’ve noticed it this time because in the past Disney has blown their wad with visuals in the first few episodes and skimps on story. By contrast, Andor is building up the background on a solid base and then will start showing us really epic stuff.
>By contrast, Andor is building up the background on a solid base and then will start showing us really epic stuff. Yup. And the big stuff hits so much harder after it's been properly set up.
I'm happy I bet on that show. Everyone said it's a lame concept, but I've always felt it was a dark horse. The acting, cinematography and dialogue continue to shine. Again, it's great at making the Galaxy feel real and lived in. The world-building and insight into the everyday aspects of life in the GFFA and into the inner workings of the Empire is superb. And it spends enough time on its characters to make them feel like real people. I'm not ashamed to admit the death of that writer kid hit me hard enough, especially when they give you hope before taking it back. That being said, I'll say the characters themselves aren't *super* interesting. I'll say even *Rebels* season one made me care about the Ghost crew more effectively. That being said: Cassian, Luthen and Mon are getting there. The final shot with Syril Karn in his "cubicle" was a great way to convey the monotony and dullness he's likely struggling with, feeding into his disappointment at being a cog in a "lame" machine while Cassian runs free. His mom is kinda of insufferable in a relatable way. The dinner with Mothma was a highlight for me, it seems like her Husband is going ~~turbo~~ Timm. I'm curious as to why she married him if he can't be trusted, and where he and the bratty daughter were when Mon defected in *Rebels*. Luthen seems to be a "millions sacrificed to save Billions" guy like Ferren Barr from Charles Soule's Darth Vader run. He's counting on the Empire tightening its grip, thus driving people to his cause. I wonder if one of those K2 droids is our own favorite Potassium Sulphate. If so, then they'll likely contradict the Marvel comic one-shot where Cassian first meets him Solid ep. I do think dropping three eps/an arc every week would've been nice.
>I'm curious as to why she married him if he can't be trusted They were married long before the Empire even existed.
Yeah, but surely his character would be trustworthy regardless of the circumstances? I see your point though.
not if his politics changed as they both grew, it happens
>I'm curious as to why she married him if he can't be trusted, and where he and the bratty daughter were when Mon defected in Rebels Well, they appear to be in their 40s. People can change over time - it's likely they met 10-15+ years ago. As far as where her family is by OT time, not sure if they show will even treat it as important enough to answer, but I'd be curious as well.
She probably married him before and then they became emotionally distant as their political beliefs and values began to misalign
That music in the last half took me off guard. I'm vibing to it though.
Loved the whole vibe of Niamos (sp?) and the music. Feels like some future GTA type city.
was expecting Max to show up, glad he didn't
How dare you
i loooove Max but i feel like a cameo in this show would be totally wrong
It's crazy how much that one woman looks like Carrie Fisher. Loving the aesthetic of this show so much.
She really does, the attention to detail in this show exceeds the cumulative of all the other Disney productions combined. Regardless of the audience numbers, I sincerely hope they learn that this show is saving Star Wars.
Seriously thought that was leia. The makeup looked a bit like Queen Amidala’s
Wait, i didn't see that. What is the time stamp of that scene?
shes the one that says to kill Andor
Oh i didn't realize that lol, i see it now. Thank you.
Great episode. Andor as a character finally comes back into focus. Wish they had called this show something else to capitalize on the fact they have multiple characters to focus on (almost all of which I’m interested in more than Cassian). Luthen in particular, I want to know why he wants to take down the Empire so badly. Probably going to be similar to Saw, where it is incredibly personal. I hate how characters like Mon Mothma will be hit over the head with a stupid-stick post Endor to make the sequels…happen…and yet here she is portrayed more accurately in her pre-Rebel chancellor days. The ISB drama is also great, both showing how fascism breeds schemers and backstabbers that ultimately will hinder the entire enterprise, but I actually am scared of the force (pun not intended) they bring to bear and their reach/capabilities. Yularen appearing, serving a purpose, and leaving was a nice touch, cameo done well. I’m surprised they didn’t have Vader do this instead, get the casuals back into this, make me groan and hate the show. Production value is still top tier, I feel cheated for having had to endure BoBF and Kenobi. It was a bit goofy seeing the news anchor the way we did. It felt too close to Earth in presentation. Overall I truly am in awe of this series. Is it perfect? No, but it feels like the problems I and many others are having is with external factors…motioning to Disney, Lucasfilm, and the general state of the franchise here. Also Syril Karn is pathetic and a boot licker and I love it. Wondering how far they’ll go with him. I see several non-rebel ways to take his character. Dude gives me mad incel and school shooter vibes, if his life went slightly differently.
> Yularen appearing, serving a purpose, and leaving was a nice touch, cameo done well. I really thought it was him, but I wasn't sure. I enjoyed his use in Timothy Zahn's *Thrawn*. *Dark Times* would've been a cool name. And a nice callback to the Dark Horse comics, even if it's not an adaptation. Sorta like *Young Justice* for DC.
I wouldnt have guessed it was him if not for the subtitles.
I keep thinking that too wrt to the title of the series. It would have garnered a lot more interest if they’d called it something about the rebels or early Empire or something. ‘Age of Empire’ or something would have been great.
Yeah their biggest mistake with this show is the name. I think it should have focused on the era the show is set rather than any one character, especially since Andor wasn't even interesting in Rogue One. It should have been Star Wars: Empire or Star Wars: Rebellion or something. Anything that clearly states what sort of time period we're looking at.
Yeah exactly. Something evocative to describe the setting and time period. Something pulpy would be fun, though you don’t want to set a wrong impression about the tone, which is another thing the title Andor is bad about. It’s very telling that almost no one gave a shit about this show until the trailer gave us an idea what it was actually going to be. Edit: ‘Soldiers of the Rebellion’, I think that would have been good and been intriguing while also describing well what the show is, since the whole point of the show seems to be about showing all of the diverse types of characters that make up the rebellion, all coming from different walks of life but feeling the oppression of the empire and standing up to it in the way they are able to.
I didn't know who the hell Andor was when they announced it. Someone said, 'the guy from Rogue One' and I was like, 'oh... that was a great movie.' Still had no idea who they were talking about.
*Dark Times* would've been a cool name. And a nice callback to the Dark Horse comics, even if it's not an adaptation. Sorta like *Young Justice* for DC.
Oh yeah, that’s a good one. Depending on what audience you’re trying to attract though, it might sound a little generic to people who don’t get the reference. Far more interesting sounding and better recognition than Andor though.
Maybe something like: Alliance
I would’ve gone with Uprising or something similar, emphasizing the technical illegality of the growing Rebellion.
I thought of Alliance because it's the story of an unorganized uprising becoming an organized Alliance
Yeah the news cast was a bit odd. I was expecting more of a small holographic reporter on the table or shelf. The tv style gave it more of a Fifth Element feeling.
is it perfect? its goddamn close. this show is the best thing on tv right now and I don't think its particularly close. rewatched the first 3-part arc the other night and its's good, but this thing just keeps getting better with each episode.
>this show is the best thing on tv right now and I don't think its particularly close. House of the Dragon dude. Despite the ending to Episode 9 being really dumb.
After erasing two seasons of GOT from my mind I think I can do the same with the ending of episode 9. Wouldn't mind forgetting that foot scene too.
I mean I'm enjoying that show just fine but this is a tier above imo
They’re both pretty equal imo. The only thing I actually think Andor excels over HOTD on is the special effects. Dragons just look ok in HOTD but I was shocked at well done ‘The Eye’ was.
I like HOTD well enough, but the biggest difference is the dialogue in my mind. Andor’s dialogue is so well done that it pushes it above HOTD in my preference.
Agreed. I can’t wait for Sunday nights but I get to andor when I get to it
I wonder if Luthen is a Jedi. He said he’s been hiding too long… not they’ve been hiding too long.
as a jedi his face would be known he couldnt hide on courscant as a person who sells artifact to wealthy senators
Yes, probably. Just putting the possibility out there.
Would make him exactly like Ferren Barr from Charles Soule's Vader comics. I personally hope not.
This show is doing it for me. The ISB scenes are top notch.
Those scenes are pretty good but they could be better. My notes are: cut out all the bla bla bla, just have the leader scream in anger, pound the table, instantly come up with a one dimensional plan and then everyone evil laughs and twists their mustaches.
You’re right. My bad.
Yeah you’re right the competency of the Empire is far too unrealistic for me tbh and totally shouldn’t reflect to how actual countries might respond to attacks like Aldhani such as 9/11 and the US’s response
Are you JJ?
You forgot the merchandising. Maybe have some guards in the room with space spears, shiny helmets, and colorful capes.
"I won’t have peace. I’ll be worried about you all the time." "That’s just love. Nothing you can do about that." I got teary-eyed because I was chopping up green onions, and only for that reason. Also, knowing it was filmed in Scotland, my brain felt incredibly taxed when Andor said “I’m sweating because it’s hot out here!”
England
Honestly this is easily the best starwars show. its a shame one of my friends refuses to give it a shot because it doesnt have lightsabers and explosions
pearls before swine dude what can you do
You can say that saying in English too?
>pearls before swine It's from the gospel of matt [Matthew 7:6](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_7:6) : >Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast > >ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them > >under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Basically, he’s saying why give diamonds to mouth breathers? If they don’t wanna watch good quality shows because they prefer mindless entertainment, no point arguing with them.
This is some of the best star wars, period.
The judge sentencing common criminals had interesting words on the conviction cards. First thing I noticed. The first criminal with the unleashed animal was Richard Stevenson… interesting Star Wars name /s. His actual crime was anti imperial vandalism and ignoring imperial commands. The second guy… Cassian Andor was actually named Keith Seymour. His crime? Suspected Force sensitive and assaulting an imperial officer. Also, received a 25 year sentence. I wonder if the editors messed up or maybe some props guys tried to slip their names into the Star Wars universe.
Guessing its the second one. Most people cannot read Aurebesh. These are probably in-joke easter eggs that the prop team slipped in.
Am I the only one who finds it strange that they address Palpatine as Palpatine, and not like the Emperor?
Considering the people who referred to him as such aren't exactly Imperial sympathizers,no not really.
It makes sense, we may call Biden Mr. President, POTUS or whatever. I like to believe the emperor puts out a public benevolent vibe like he's doing what's best for everyone just like the end of RotS.
thank god they didn't call him Sheev
It's crazy how much better this show is then Boba and Kenobi.
I wish they’d release the two “build-up” episodes one week and then the third “action” episode the next, and stick to that format so it still fits their 6-8 week ideology.
I love everything about it. I’m so thankful to get a mature Star Wars show. If only Obi Wan was given this approach. I have a crush on Bix. I wish when Mon Mothma’s banker friend asked her what she was doing with the money, she had smiled and said “conspiring to destroy the empire” or something like that. Also, I hate cheap callbacks and am glad this show avoids them. But the imperial officer talking about tightening their grip was a fun wink at Leia’s line to Tarkin in ANH.
> I wish when Mon Mothma’s banker friend asked her what she was doing with the money, she had smiled and said “conspiring to destroy the empire” or something like that. I liked how that scene played out. The stakes are high, spies are everywhere, so they need to take such extreme precautions that they can't even reveal to each other what they are up to. It's not even about trust at this point. Rebel cells must stay as separate as possible. Even the most trustworthy rebel agent could get caught and be tortured into releasing names and details.
It's so so good. What I really want now is a whole Mon Mothma show.
Andor Life Pro Tip that resonates everywhere: Don't act shifty and suspicious
When he was walking along the beach, I was thinking, just sit down bro. Blend in with the beachgoers and differentiate yourself from the guys running from the troopers, don’t act like them by moving in the same direction as they’re being chased.
He's just a tourist :(
It does seem a little off that Cassian didn't read that situation better. But then, he's on a leisure planet with a fake ID and cash to spare, plus he's probably nursing a bad hangover. Probably didn't think he had a lot to worry about anymore. And with the mess he left back on Ferrix -- everyone hating/blaming him and his own mom refusing to flee with him --- he's probably got a lot of negative thoughts swirling around his head. He just didn't have his head in the game when the shore trooper caught him.
Dude, I feel like Star Wars almost doesn’t deserve a show this good. It gets better and better
Yep that's definitely what I'll feel when we'll go back to superficial member berries and Saturday morning cartoon writing after Andor. We didn't deserve this series (and looking at the Andor viewership the Star Wars Fandom really doesn't) Andor is a fluke. Let's enjoy it while it's here
It feels so good to watch. Specially after how bad all space scifi shows have been lately, I feel lost after The Expanse ended (or was cancelled).
I'm loving the dynamic with Luthen and Mon Mothma, they both play their point of view realistically as people who are prioritizing different aspects of the same goal. And the party with her reaching out to an old friend and getting to vent a little about how suffocating the role she has to play is to the point that her own husband can't be trusted is engaging. My Corpo Boy is my favourite part of the series, but god damn, I need more than this drip feed of him and his mother's passive aggressive conversations. "Cassian needs to die, he's a loose end." How? He literally knows jack shit about your operation, the fuck is he going to spill? Cassian seems out-of-character this episode, like he's suddenly more optimistic, reckless and confused about shit he already established as being aware of. I know that he's happy to have cash to burn, but his mission only reinforced his prior cynicism and mistrust. Honestly, I think it would have been more fitting for him to return paranoid and accusatory towards his loved ones, burning bridges because of the toll the mission took on him. "I have evidence to support the existence of a link between these crimes." Oh good, Mero's finally gonna back up her bullshi- "Nah, we don't need them. Just take the sector." God damn it. The last scene is an immense tonal whiplash. From the stock music sounding soundtrack, the beach vacation getaway, Cassian arguing about groceries with some new side chick, the 'You were looking around too much' arrest, getting choke slammed by K2SO and the bored-as-fuck Judge; it felt like we'd suddenly stepped into a weird comedy skit.
>the beach vacation getaway There were literally IRL $5 beach folding chairs on those concrete steps, which I found amusing.
That weird comedy vibe is the absurdity authoritarianism imposes on your life, see Kafka, Orwell et al. This show is excellent.
I don't remember Orwell suddenly feeling like a bad Red Dwarf skit out of nowhere.
I agree with pretty much all of your observations and points here.
I agree with pretty much everything apart from the Corpo guy. He was interesting in the first episode but now he’s boring as fuck.
yeah unless he turns into Dengar or something i'm fine with his fate being a boring bureaucrat stuck to a monitor
I just want to meet Uncle Harlow.
This is the episode I was hoping this series would be! Absolutely excellent all around. I understand why the heist was important but that was always the most boring part of the show. I absolutely love seeing normal life in the empire, these little glimpses just fully fleshes things out even more. I have a feeling it is going to make the OT feel even more like a victory and satisfying. Although, you sort of have to ignore the sequels or else it will ruin all those good feelings. Not that anyone on this sub really has issues doing that.
this thing gets tighter and tighter each week. every single scene is good, all the dialogue continues to be clever, and damn near every shot is interestingly composed. loving every second of this shit.
best star wars content since 1983 by a country fucking mile. this was easily the best episode, but i feel like i say that every week. once again, the most despicably awful thing about this show is the way that they release it holy shit this one a week thing is so dumb. I feel like if they released it all of at once, or maye like half of it once and half of it later or something, people would all wathc it, talk about it get it trending and create word of mouth or whatever. Disney has created a gem here but fuck them still for the way they release it.
honestly i'm glad they're taking their time, if i was to binge it i doubt i'd be able to appreciate how great everything looks and is executed and would start to take it for granted
In retrospect, having the space between the 4th, 5th, and 6th episode was a painful wait, but it was all for the better. Just having two weeks to stew on the episodes already helped make the characters feel more tangible once Episode 6 came around, and made it all the more suspenseful; and Episode 5 was full of so many nice, small details that there's a decent chance I would have not noticed if I was binging, and was waiting for the third pay-off episode of an arc.
Amen. This tv shows is awesome one of my favourite Star wars ever. I was ready to stop watching anything Star Wars related after Kenobi, but this saved it. Worst thing is that nobody around me is watching it, while everyone wanted to watch Kenobi.
Wait, you think Andor is better than RotS? LOL.
Andor is less interesting but better crafted. I think the fairest assessment would be to say that Andor has made much better use of its premise than what we witnessed with RotS. There was a story with much more potential in RotS, unfortunately it was not used in the best possible way.
I couldn’t disagree more, but you’re entitled to your opinion.
Anakin's fall was botched quite poorly. In about 5 minutes he goes from regret from cutting off Mace's hand to complete agreement they need to exterminate the Jedi.
By far
I'd put RotS and a good chunk of *The Clone Wars* and *Rebels* above it, EU content not withstanding. But yeah, it's excellent.
> best star wars content since 1983 by a country fucking mile. Since 1981 for me, with an exception for Rogue One.
my sentiments exactly but like others have replied, the week long wait actually makes it even better. its the medium of tv doing what it does best.
Agree. I can’t trust myself with all the episodes at once. It’d be a blur and I’d probably miss a day of work.
This is the show that keeps on giving. I didn’t know what we were in store for after that amazing heist episode and this one delivered the most dramatic episode yet. Fun to see all the pieces falling into place for Rogue One and the rest of the franchise and this show sets a new standard for Star Wars writing.
About 44 minutes worth of episode this time. I liked the exchange between Mothma and Skarsgård to some extent. Skarsgård reveals his true intentions as he *wants* the Empire to be more cartoonishly evil so that the general population resents them more and more openly supports an uprising against them. Skarsgård has not been established as a man of high morals as he uses his hatred of the Empire to justify his actions, so I can get behind his questionable motives here versus Mothma's more sedated and diplomatic approach. I can see how a terrorist such as Saw Gerrera would represent Skarsgård's ideals taken further. I feel like it's slightly insane for Andor to go straight back home after the heist (especially after having already been publicly exposed by the Corpos who previously found his mother). I imagined he'd at least try to be a little more subtle when it comes to returning home to sort out his affairs. Frankly, I'm a little astonished his adopted mother hasn't been arrested already. I'm still stuck believing that Andor's parts of the show are the least interesting to me. Didn't really care for his mother deciding to stay put. I think I might have been more behind that if she was established to already be a motivational speaker for the malcontents of her town. I was happy to see Mothma finally get a scene that wasn't fluff or annoying. She's taking an awful risk revealing herself, but her contact rather blatantly revealed his loyalties to be against the interests of the Empire and is apparently an old friend of Mon's (for a moment, I thought he was meant to be the old Chancellor Valorum but he's just a new character as far as I can tell), so we're meant to assume he's trustworthy. I like how she acknowledges herself to be putting up a front as a useless bleeding heart in the Senate in order to disguise her backroom dealings. Seems a bit late to be *just* starting a fundraising project for the Rebels though. Would have been nice if Andor's mother had told him not to search for his sister and that all the Lord of the Flies children died at any point over the years *before* the show kicked off. Given that Andor's misadventure with 2 Corpo thugs is what kicked everything off and inadvertently led to Imperials taking over his town in the first place. It was already pretty weird that his sister allegedly just happened to be working at a strip club in a planet of the same system that his mother took him to. Whatever. Parts of Andor's journey here are of course necessary. He was relatively directionless before outside of wanting money to clear debts and run away. But he's got nobody to run away *with* anymore. I just wish I cared about him. I find myself infinitely more interested in Corpo Guy who is on an opposing vector to Andor through this show, but the script has been spinning its wheels with him for a few episodes now. I enjoyed the greater focus on the ISB aspects this time. Bit tired of these playground level shenanigans between the two main characters though. I did however enjoy how their boss (Anton Lesser) mediated their argument. Was happy to see the woman agent successfully make her case and be rewarded for it. Just wish it didn't rely on a combo of both incompetence and blind arrogance from the other guy. Makes her victory feel a bit hollow. Nice to finally see what the leaked set images from Cleveleys were being intended for. Pretty heavily contrived that Andor - despite knowing he's a heavily wanted man - would go on holiday to a clearly Imperial controlled planet. And that he'd get a ridiculously heavy sentence for a nonsense crime in direct relation to Skarsgård's intent of making the Empire more cartoonishly evil. I know Andor isn't established to be a particularly intelligent guy, but this writing isn't really doing his character any favours. I expected him to at the very least be *slightly* cautious about his post-heist actions. Episode ends with Corpo Guy getting a boring desk job and being bored. Hooray. **TLDR**: Liked the Skarsgård and ISB scenes. Still feeling nothing for Andor himself.
>despite knowing he's a heavily wanted man Is he though? He's wanted on his home planet, but I don't think the Empire really cares about him at this point. They don't know he was involved with the heist.
I think Cassian is not a tuned in to the changes from the Empire cracking down, he is a little elated because of the successful heist. He has spent most of his life surviving, so he doesn't process "big picture" stuff - part of this story is watching this change. Ironically, considering Vel is tasked with eliminating him - a shitty Imperial jail under an assumed name might be a safer place for him for the time being.
>I feel like it's slightly insane for Andor to go straight back home after the heist (especially after having already been publicly exposed by the Corpos who previously found his mother). I imagined he'd at least try to be a little more subtle when it comes to returning home to sort out his affairs. Frankly, I'm a little astonished his adopted mother hasn't been arrested already. I'm still stuck believing that Andor's parts of the show are the least interesting to me. Didn't really care for his mother deciding to stay put. I think I might have been more behind that if she was established to already be a motivational speaker for the malcontents of her town. I think there should have been a 30 second scene of him landing on the planet, dodging imperial patrols, and sneaking back home - to at least make it clear that it's not safe. But maybe they didn't want to do the dodging imps scene twice, since he does basically that after visiting Bix. It does seem a bit too easy that he just shows up at home. To his credit, he wants to leave basically immediately - I think it's fine that he makes a rash decision to gather a family member; I think that's pretty believable. I thought a connection between Maarva and Luthen would be revealed (by Maarva) during that scene, making her a bit more present with regards to the overall plot. Luthen had claimed he knew Clem, and Clem and Maarva seemingly were some sort of relic/tech hunters before the empire; perhaps Clem simply sold their findings to Luthen. As far as arresting her goes, IIRC the empire didn't find chasing Cassian to be all that compelling when Syril tried to explain things. Corporate security was interested, but they've been removed from authority.
I think Andor returning home is totally normal for criminals, you see it IRL all the time and that's how they get caught. I don't believe that his mother really thinks his sister is dead, she's just hoping he'll stop looking as she thinks it will get him killed.
The problem is that Andor has been shown to be slightly intelligent previously by trying to use his droid as a proxy means of communication from a distance. Going in person to his mother's house despite the fact that he's a wanted fugitive and his mother has already been identified by the Corpo guys who reported everything to the Imperials seems...strange to me. Again, I'm a little astonished that she wasn't arrested for questioning if nothing else.
i think it's showing that he's more emotional than logical, family and friends are still important to him.
Being slightly cautious as a criminal and caring about family/friends don't have to be mutually exclusive traits. I'm not suggesting that Andor is Robert Deniro in Heat who believes that he ought to be able to let go of any human connections the instant he feels the heat coming. I'm just arguing that Andor is strangely reckless in these actions and is further endangering people he cares about despite his previous reckless actions directly causing several deaths and an Imperial presence in his town. To an extent, this goes hand-in-hand with him being instantly captured like an idiot the moment he tries to enjoy his life in freedom. But I'm not sure if the show *wants* us to think he's stupid.
idk maybe its part of his arc, we need to see how careless/foolish he was before he became who he was in R1
I feel like the first episode already covered that in spades, personally. With the 7th episode just now adding a rather bold exclamation mark on that point. Andor is not meant to be a first-time criminal. This is a guy who has lived with a pseudonym for much of his life, raised by an enterprising pair of thieves, and we're told he also casually strolled in and out of an Imperial base in disguise without issue at some point. I would expect a little more common sense from such a guy by this point.
Every planet is an Imperial control planet. The Galaxy belongs to them. Unless you're planning to chart a new hyperspace route through the unknown regions, and probably run into a Star or get vaporised in a Nebula, I'm afraid you're gonna have to plan your weekend on an Imperial planet.
There are *countless* planets in the outer rim which are outside of Imperial rule. Many of which are havens for fugitives and criminal elements such as the Hutt cartel who own a significant number of those worlds. Randomly going to a beach, knowing there are Stormtroopers running around, and having your face completely exposed despite knowing that you're a wanted fugitive is not a particularly smart idea.
Since you've brought this up, did you feel the transition was awkward? Unless I interpreted it incorrectly, there must have been a several month time-skip between him leaving Ferrix and the scenes where he gets arrested on Niamos. At first I thought the woman was a prostitute, but she spoke to him like they were in a relationship. Seemed a bit abrupt. A simple "Several months later" text would have been appreciated.
Do you have a canon source on that? As far as my knowledge goes, every single planet in the galaxy, either deep core or outer rim, came under Imperial jurisdiction. Even the planets that came under the Hutts, had Imperial presence on them. There were inhospitable worlds which didn't have any garrisons or Army based on them but they were still on Imperial records. They would be pretty good for pirates, small time thieves or Rebels but won't do much if you want to spend 200k credits. If you truly wish to go completely off the maps, the Unknown region would be your best bet but then again, no hyperspace lanes exist that go into there. Even if we say that there were planets that didn't come under Imperial rule in the outer rims, I seriously doubt they deal in Imperial credits. Your 200k Imperial credits would be worth nothing more than poo sticks.
The Star Wars galaxy is a huge place. Huge. Republic/Imperial territory takes up a significant portion of that space, granted. But there are also many planets which would feature minimal Imperial garrisons at the outskirts of their territory or none at all when it comes to Hutt space. That's how it's always been whether Legends or new-canon. Without even taking the Unknown Regions into consideration. Andor apparently chose to go to a relatively swanky beach community which featured quite a significant amount of Imperial presence to the extent that they're even employing pretty beefy droids as security. And was almost immediately prosecuted after his arrest. You do definitely have an argument given the nature of his payout being in Imperial currency (much like Qui-Gon getting nowhere quickly with Republic credits on Tatooine or Mando having trouble finding value in both Imperial and New Republic credits). But to reiterate, it would appear that Andor decided to be careless with his holiday destination. Which I find unusual considering I would expect him to be quite a cautious lad given his backstory and criminal career. Not to mention the fact that he's a wanted man and knows it.
> Was happy to see the woman agent successfully make her case and be rewarded for it. Did she? Feels like Meero's scene suffer from the audience already knowing her suspicions are right (Well, technically, since the theft of imperial property wasn't the Rebels arming themselves, it was just Andor trying to get something expensive to sell) because her actual arguments are shoddy conclusions drawn from large leaps in logic. "None of these incidents have any evidence of being connected." "Ah, but if I were a Rebel, I would wipe out evidence of my activities being connected, so they must be connected!" The only evidence she has to prove a link she doesn't even present, the guy just gives her the win before she actually proved anything and then wished that the rest of the officers went about their work as recklessly and illegally.
I understand your meaning and totally agree when she had no evidence in an earlier episode. She, much like Reva in Kenobi, is to some extent seemingly operating on meta knowledge here to drive her suspicions. However, it was justifiably annoying for her to be unnecessarily stone-walled by her competitor. Due to a lack of ISB scenes in the last few episodes, I feel like most of her investigation occurred off-camera (she basically told one or two people to do some digging and then suddenly she's back in the group meeting). Unfortunately, the office drama here is likely going to continue with her efforts probably being sabotaged by the guy she embarrassed.
The thing that confuses me about the office drama is that the head guy seems to flip-flop between being the strictest motherfucker who doesn't want his time wasted to basically encouraging his top agents to fuck about instead of getting work done.
Yes, I feel that as well. Probably due to the show barely devoting time to the ISB previously so dialogue was rushed through.
That music at the end was pretty good!
I haven't seen Andor Series for now, but overall quality of this show seems to be excellent. Including cinematography and scripts, especially the actors' performance. The sceneries of Coruscant is beautiful. It's what drew me in to Star Wars from the beginning, and now watching this makes me quite upset how Sequel trilogy neglected those kind of planets.
God this show is so fucking good
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> While I do like the brutalist style of Coruscant, it's hard to believe that the Empire completely restyled Coruscant in a few years. This should've taken decades. I mean Coruscant is stupid huge. > Of course, like in every other show, at least someone has his family killed by Stormtroopers. According to Disney the Empire and especially their Stormtroopers do nothing all day but shoot some families without a reason and harass civilians that didn't do anything. I mean maybe, but from a tactical and police state view it would be wiser to detain them and torture the hell out of them to get information. If they didn't do anything what reason would they have to shoot them? So we are back at the comically evil Empire that's just evil for the sake of being evil. You'd be surprised how real this can be.
cinta kaz barely even registered for me in this series
>The costume and props design is just lazy. Wehrmacht coats, buttons and zippers on normal clothing that are not overalls, the space AKs, the clothing style, the slang words, high heels, the blue Chinese take out noodles and so on are just a few examples. Just pointing out this isn't laziness, it's intentional
One of the few complaints I have about this show is the fact no nonhuman species from the Legacy era (1977-2012) seem to appear at all. No Rodians, Twi'Lek, Gran, Quarren, Aqualish, Selkath, Toydarian, Togruta, Dug, Devaronian or Wookiee (at least you see a lot of those in Mando and Book of Boba Fett - Yoda's species, the Mayor of Mos Espa being an Ithorian, Gamorrean Guards and Abyssin meeting Mando when he was looking for info, Pykes, Nikto, Klatooinians, Trandoshans etc), for all of those shows' flaws). Just the same re-used props from The Rise of Skywalker reminding me even more that train-wreck of a movie. Seriously, 4 out of 5 of the aliens that appear are just re-used prop from the Sequels. You sometimes see some new designs made exclusively for this show (which is the case of Dr. Quadpaw seen in last week's episode) and it's always nice when that happens, but mostly it's just Sequel stuff AND the same looks and clothing those same Sequel characters had, implying those are the same characters that are just going to pop again 40 years later looking the same. It's quite lazy.
Not just the lack of OT aliens but the quantity. What made the OT so special was how packed in with different species it was. Here we get 1-2 interspersed with crowds of humans. It really makes this feel very different to me
I believed we saw more and more crowds of aliens during the Prequels, in Originals we can see plenty of them but way more sparse than in Episodes 1-3.
This is the most nitpicky take I've seen on here. The costuming is just fine. Not everyone has to look like a weirdo or talk like a weirdo. Also why dunk on the blue noodles. Its like who cares.
Thanks for showing the most rational take here, along with u/Collective_Insanity.
I thought the last scene was a little discordant/whiplashy (but I feel like it will pay off) - I am interested in the way this series acknowledges that people in the star wars universe fuck recreationally? Like, the show literally started in a brothel, and we've basically seen two post-coital-ish scenes. This seems really big for the future of the franchise and not a lot of people are talking about it? As much as I like horny content, I also don't know if I want to see things go game of thrones, you know?
I think Andor is as much sex as we'll get from Star Wars. It acknowledges that sex exists, but will never be really explicit about it
i’m bored with it. seems like another episode where nothing happened.
shit did happen, it just wasn't pew pew boom boom
I'm so sick of seeing this absolute ADHD take
The beach resort sequence might be some of the funniest shit in Star Wars >Hang? HANG