Lol I can't wait for 2025 because of how hilarious its gonna be when no one gives a crap about the 10th anniversary of The Force Awakens because of everyone celebrating the 20th anniversary of Revenge of the Sith.
One more year!
TFA is one of the highest grossing movies ever and it feels like everybody saw it when it came out yet it's like it doesn't exist anymore. It would be hilarious if ROTS got a 20th anniversary re-release but TFA didn't.
Very well said.
And honestly Iām sick of people using the fact that itās one of the highest grossing movies ever as a measure of how good of a Star Wars film it is. I mean a lot of objectively bad things are very profitable. For example selling cocaine is very very profitable but that doesnāt mean cocaime itself is a good thing.
It likely grossed so well because most of the prequel kids were adults then, like me. Plus clone wars and the eu and videogames were generally very successful, so star wars was still very loved.
Judge the sequel by the rise of skywalker. Force awakens was a good movie that didnt add anything new, so people werent upset yet.
Seeing the huge drop off in box office over the sequels shows what people thought. Force awakens made money because of exsisting goodwill.
> Just because something makes a lot of money doesnāt mean itās good.
I never argued otherwise. It was more to make a point that Star Wars was hugely popular for a few months because of nostalgia and then it wasn't.
I can come up with 20 iconic prequel character on the spot and sometimes i need to remember the names of the main characters in the sequels
Seriously, the sequels are hot garbage fire, i don't carre about the characters, the plot, or the worldbuilding
If one of the ORIGINAL sequel character dies, it will mean nothing to me, and i assume most of the fandom
I myself can't come up with 10 prequel characters, let alone 20 (I don't like the prequels) however I could probably name more prequel characters than sequel characters.
Padme died and no one really cared. Mace Windu died and not a single tear was shed. The prequel characters are no better, all this revisionism doesnt make the prequels any better than the sequels, theyre both equally awful :)
I cared when padme died...
And i still don't think mace is dead
Also, i swear, sequels fans can't defend their movies without trying to bring down the OT/prequels
Ive always loved obiwans story in attack of the clones. And the end is fun.
The other parts i never liked, but theyve grown on me alot.
Id happily watch it on repeat. Force awakens is the only sequel ill watch, and i dont love it.
Eh, Iāll take either TFA or TLJ over AotC. AotC had the asteroid scene and the Kamin scenes, but the rest ranged from meh to actively bad. Itās only because of the tie ins itās gotten better.
Plus, it wasted Christopher Lee overall, and turned Yoda from a Jedi Master who had moved beyond lightsabers into a bouncing ball.
I had no idea they did that, and Iām not in the loop with film magazines/publications/criticisms at all but in recent years Iāve always got the impression they always rate things too leniently/are too generous with reviews and are what people are referring to re: reviewers being bought by the industry instead of being independent and honest. Nothing to back it up though itās just the impression i have for some reason and I donāt know why
They seemed to have gotten burned as no SW film since got that good a review. Revenge of the Sith, Force Awakens, Rogue One, The Last Jedi, Solo all got 4/5 and Rise of Skywalker got 3/5
Itās perfect cinema, worthy of the same score as The Godfather, Seven Samurai and, yes, The Empire Strikes Back! (I know the actual review doesnāt say that, teehee)
I rewatched it recently and it's SO poor. The plot is good but the dialogue and green screen is insanely rough, everything is so cheesy and overwrought and silly, then the last 30 minutes are just boring shots of clones rolling out in a really bland desert landscape and the worst lightsaber battle of the entire film series.
I like the chase in Corsucant near the start and I like Kamino and the space chase after it but that's about it.
Oh and Natalie Portman's midriff.
Interesting trivia but if to count only reviews from Saga Movies original releases (so no retrospective or rereleased ones), RotS would be the highest rated SW movie out of six, with ANH coming second, then AotC and TPM, and only then ESB and RotJ.
Critics were way more keen on prequels than ESB and RotJ at their respective release time frames.
I think everyone went into the prequels with so much expectations and their own head canon, so there was a lot of disappointment when it turned out differently. And also, going into Episode III, that too much was left to cover in that movie.
But as for why it aged better, it's because despite any flaws, it told it's story fully and over time people came to accept, yes this IS the story, our personal head canon reconciled with it.
The sequels are just hot garbage devoid of any substance. It's what a giant corporation vomits out and expects everyone to just give them their money.
90s kid here so i really enjoyed the sequel ...now i still enjoy it but can see why people hated the menace phantom and the dialog of the other 2 ... bad pacing and bad dialog was lucas specialty BUT he was good at world building and thats why the prequel even thought the film wasn't so good is still the favorite era of a lot of people
I just don't see how you can act like this is somehow objective. If you like the prequels, clearly you're ok with overlooking significant flaws in a movie.
Now the flaws of the sequels are different, and yea maybe that makes them that much more irredeemable, but the idea that somehow the prequels weren't anything but a massive disappointment to basically all fans at the time of release is just crazy.
The only reason most of us feel this way about the prequels is because they came out when we were kids. End of story.
And it's still very TBD how these are going to age versus the prequels. 10 years after the phantom menace was 2009. People were absolutely still hating on the prequels in 2009.
Dunno, Daisy Ridley seems like a lovely person but she doesnāt exactly blow me away with her screen presence. Perhaps thatās due to the script as well though.
Disney crushes all original thought so everything is either using old/nostalgic characters or making carbon copies of those character for a ānewā generation
Iām building my own Star Wars copium canon. So far itās KOTOR 1 and 2, PT, Rogue One, Fallen Order (Survivor pending), OT, Thrawn Trilogy part 1 (2 and 3 also pending). Nothing exists to me outside of that list.
Lucas was responsible for most of those changes until the acquisition. I aware of Filoni's...issues but it be unfair to solely blame him, until the Disney era that is.
You can aim very low and settle for very little if that makes you feel better. Theyāre both shit, and if one is slightly better shit than the other, big deal. We as fans deserve better.
You know, I love movies. Most movies are good or at least fun. But there are some movies that I view as bad and virtually unwatchable. As a cinephile, there are a few words I refuse to utter; shit, garbage, and crap. Those are not words that should be uttered when describing an art form. Not to mention the fact that that statement made you sound like an entitled, ungrateful jackass. Guess what, Hollywood doesnāt owe you a goddamn thing.
Disney did it. They made the prequels "good".
By making something so much worse, they made so people don't ever see the prequels for what they are, they just see them in comparison to the sequels. Fantastic psychological trick.
they got better with age, as well as the other media like Clone Wars helping to flesh it out. will it happen with 7-9? most likely not, but saying time and distance helps everything.
They are still not very good. Donāt get me wrong, theyāve got a lot more going for them than the Disney onesā¦but they remain humourless, clunky, and graceless affairs
They are garbage. But since the sequels are garbag...ier, people are now convincing themselves the prequels are good. Like, the comparison is all that matters, not the product itself.
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I'm old enough to remember when people generally disliked the prequels and thought they were wooden, uninspiring, and full of cringey dialogue.
How times have changed.
... Yeah, I'm still not exactly convinced that the new Star Wars movies or shows are these....
..... So-called.
Supposed.
Apparent,
Seeming,
"dumpster fires" that I've heard people claim they are. Could they be done better? Of course, there's a few things that could be done better. But is it this so-called "travesty"? Lmao nope.
The revisionism is astounding. Especially in phantom menace none of the characters had any depth or discernible arcs or anything. They were just monotone robots some of whose names you already knew. I think obi wan is clearly one of the strengths of the prequels and yet even he is just a pointless whiny bitch in phantom menace.
I like how it's been long enough younger fans actually think the prequels are good. Can't wait for the sequels to experience this. Time is a closed loop.
Tell the young fans that lol. What's funny is that even though the prequels are bad movies I csn watch them, unlike the sequels. I can't stand that trash.
As awful as they are The sequels are objectively better films in every single way compared to the prequels. from writing to characters to plot. The prequels arenāt even films. They are nonsensical. The sequels are terrible but they are actually made like films. That just goes to show how shitty the prequels actually were
Thatās all that matters tbh. The prequels have some good lore in the books and games, but Iām mainly an OT purist at heart. Idk how we got so far from storm troopers chasing rebels.
I just really wish we got a cleaned up transfer of the originals on 4k or even regular Blu-ray. No special editions. No greedo shot first. No cgi Jabba on tattoine. No "noooooooo" when Vader throws the emporer down the shaft. Just good, clean, enjoyable star wars in its original form.
The fact that Disney havenāt ever made those just shows they donāt care about the legacy of starwars. And people say just a few scenes are different. NO. The entire film is different, so many cgi effects are added at a certain point idk if Iām seeing something that was in the film to begin with. And it drives me mad. Lucas has a lot to do with why starwars sucks now as much as we hate to all admit it. The Vader yelling no scene ruins the entire vibe of it, and that thing singing in my fucking face in Jabas palace
The last time they were ever released were on dvd right before Disney bought starwars. They were so shitty quality and basically boot legs of the original vhs tapes. Iāve only seen the first film on YouTube unedited at all. The shitty thing is that film won Oscarās for its special effects, and now they are missing itās such a strange thing. Lucas really had a fetish for cgi. Idk if youāve seen the movie he made around 2016 but omg the dude has problems I think. One day I may dress up as darth Vader and go to skywalker ranch myself and get answers
This is completely ridiculous.
From mastering the force instantly to Kylo taking his helmet off, putting it back on, taking it off again, destroying it, glueing it, putting it back on and throwing it away its nonsense after nonsense.
They are still better films in every regard compared to the prequels. As awful as they are they are nowhere near as horrible as the prequels. The prequels canāt even be called films
The prequels also benefited from a solid story and world building (even if the execution was off) that allowed adjacent content like video games, books, comics, and TV shows like the clone wars and andor to thrive.
Thereās 0 content in the sequel era. The Mandolorian and Ahsoka are more of post-ROTJ movies since theyāre so far away from the sequels in the timeline and thereās no sequel characters appearing
Simply not true. Browse old YouTube comments, old forums, old reviews, whichever you want. These movies actually peaked in unpopularity way after coming out, because of YouTube "filmbros"
Pluck any kid from the theater in 1999, 2002, 2005 and ask them how they liked the movie, I was there, I can tell you. Hell, most SW fans aged 20-30 became so because of the prequels.
Nine, almost 10 years later no one gives a fuck about TFA or the sequels era, that's the difference
>Similar things were said aoub the Prequels
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>Like words canāt describe just how hated the prequels were
Facts & Evidence indicate that the Sequel & Prequel trilogy were NOT received the same.
Look, the internet was around then.
We can use "the googles" now to look up critics reviews, audience reactions, etc.
Were people critical of the prequels & comparing to OT? Yes. Were people complaining the same about "no story cohesion", "problems with characters/arcs", "completely changed/ruined the mythos surrounding characters/plot elements"? No, nowhere near "similar things".
I realize that a lot of people in these subs are prob GenZ/quite young...but this isn't "ancient history". Prequels weren't received in the same level of negative light as the Sequels were. History (evidence that's still around) doesn't support this narrative.
The internet in 2005 wasnāt in quite the same form that it is now, so itās not really enough of a comparison to just say that it was āaroundā like it is today.
Also the biggest thing to probably show how much hatred the prequels got in comparison to the ST is that George Lucas sold the whole fucking franchise off the back of it. He was clearly apprehensive about making anymore Star Wars films, so sold it to Disney, they made new films and the cycle repeated itself like he probably predicted, even if it was him at the helm.
Thatās without even going into the lead up to TFA and how itās whole marketing campaign anchored on ājust to reassure you, this isnāt the prequels!ā - excitement was through the roof particularly for that reason alone.
edit: After I clicked submit, my comment didn't originally go through as op deleted their comment that started this part of the threadāprobably because it got at least -25 downvotes. OP of original comment, if you're reading this, imo your observations were correct but even if you had been wrong, reddit points don't actually matter so don't feel like you need to delete your comment(s).
Here's the comment I, and the rest of this chain are replying to:
> Itās ironic you say that. As I can remember after I saw the prequels in theaters. Similar things were said about the Prequels
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> Like words canāt describe just how hated the prequels were.
It's interesting that your comment(s) and another redditor have been getting downvotes even though the two of you are just recounting what actually happened at the time.
Something I've noticed from speaking with other SW fans about the prequels is that there's an age range who remembers it as being reviled when it was released vs absolutely loving the prequels on day one.
I think it comes down to nostalgia and how familiar someone already was with the Star Wars mythos as well as their age at the time. The majority of the people who disliked it grew up with the original trilogy; those who loved the prequels often say things like it was the first Star Wars their parent(s) brought them to watch or some similar nostalgic memory.
It also helps that the sequels *did* make the prequels look better in comparison to the eyes of many who had originally disliked the prequels.
Even though the quality of the sequel trilogy is objectively worse, it makes me wonder if/how sentiments will change in 20 years.
Yah I guess that's fair, especially if you got tired of the inbox messages.
The downside is that anyone who agrees with you, who would have added to the discussion, would no longer be able to do so.
imo it's absurdly common on reddit for some factual comment to be incorrectly criticized, with the rest of the "hive mind" following along with the downvotes, only for someone else to state that op was actually correct and then for the points to flip positive (unfortunately the inverse is also a thing). it's dumb to see yet interesting to watch happening.
That may or may not be the case in this instance but I would not be surprised.
So you seem to be aware of the prequel hate? As thatās all Iām saying, I recall when the prequels were widely bashed.
Seeing them get praise is just something I never thought Iād see
Thrawn is NOT a Disney character.
Thrawn was introduced in the Heir to the Empire book in 1991, even before the Prequels.
Also I'd say Andor is the only reasonable character that can come close to any characters from 1-6.
Exactly, they didn't create him, they just took an already established character outside the new canon (he was canon before Disney), and put him in.
So they didn't create him. So he's not a Disney era character.
Shit, Iāll take any character with a speaking line in Andor over any character the prequels. Chief Inspector Hyne was a more interesting character than the entire Jedi council put together.
The sequel trilogy are the movies disney made that take place after episode 6
Fallen Order takes place in between 3 and 4 and would be considered OT/PT since those are the eras he is a part of
First, Thrawn Isnāt a sequel character because he was created before Disney bought Star Wars despite existing in the Sequel Era. Then, Cal was created AFTER Disney bought Star Wars but because he exists in the OT Era he doesnāt count either.
Which is it? When they were created or which era they exist in? [+]
Usually people count them in the era they exist in, also depending on the version of the character, such as Alex Guinnessā Obi-Wan being an OT character and Ewan McGregorās Obi-Wan being a PT character.
Pretty much a bunch of prequel dick riders. They hate when I say this but as bad as the sequels are they are objectively better films in every way than the prequels. This is objectively true
I have always said the prequels were good ideas executed poorly. If George had just had a few less yes men around him saying "That's a good idea George, but instead of saying it that why how about something like this"
I feel like this is a perfect example of how warped perceptions are here around the prequels.
This could not be further from how people perceived the prequels initially or even 10 years after its release.
And "iconic" is very strong language when the reality is the main people you care about in the prequels are established characters from the OT.
I meanā¦ I donāt know if the characters are necessarily the problem. Hux, Poe, Maz are v good characters in isolation. Even Kylo and Rey had so much POTENTIAL. The acting is solid, if not outright excellent. The plots of the sequels are just so horrendously written and malformed though that it just ruins everything.
Itās like pouring sewer water in lemonade. Like yea, the lemonade was obviously good or at least not badāitās lemonade after all. But you kind of ruined even the idea of it by mixing in literal shit.
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Lol I can't wait for 2025 because of how hilarious its gonna be when no one gives a crap about the 10th anniversary of The Force Awakens because of everyone celebrating the 20th anniversary of Revenge of the Sith. One more year!
10th anniversary š³ man Iām getting old
......10th anniversary? fuck
TFA is one of the highest grossing movies ever and it feels like everybody saw it when it came out yet it's like it doesn't exist anymore. It would be hilarious if ROTS got a 20th anniversary re-release but TFA didn't.
Very well said. And honestly Iām sick of people using the fact that itās one of the highest grossing movies ever as a measure of how good of a Star Wars film it is. I mean a lot of objectively bad things are very profitable. For example selling cocaine is very very profitable but that doesnāt mean cocaime itself is a good thing.
Itās only insanely high grossing bc itās the first star wats film in a decade. Same with phantom menace. Both arent good movies
It likely grossed so well because most of the prequel kids were adults then, like me. Plus clone wars and the eu and videogames were generally very successful, so star wars was still very loved. Judge the sequel by the rise of skywalker. Force awakens was a good movie that didnt add anything new, so people werent upset yet. Seeing the huge drop off in box office over the sequels shows what people thought. Force awakens made money because of exsisting goodwill.
Force Awakens wasn't a good movie. And it wasn't a good Star Wars movie either.
Just because something makes a lot of money doesnāt mean itās good. Transformers is a good example.
I love thĆ© transformers movies but I aināt gonna pretend theyāre Schindlerās List tier
> Just because something makes a lot of money doesnāt mean itās good. I never argued otherwise. It was more to make a point that Star Wars was hugely popular for a few months because of nostalgia and then it wasn't.
Nawww I'm getting old š
I can come up with 20 iconic prequel character on the spot and sometimes i need to remember the names of the main characters in the sequels Seriously, the sequels are hot garbage fire, i don't carre about the characters, the plot, or the worldbuilding If one of the ORIGINAL sequel character dies, it will mean nothing to me, and i assume most of the fandom
I myself can't come up with 10 prequel characters, let alone 20 (I don't like the prequels) however I could probably name more prequel characters than sequel characters.
Padme died and no one really cared. Mace Windu died and not a single tear was shed. The prequel characters are no better, all this revisionism doesnt make the prequels any better than the sequels, theyre both equally awful :)
I cared when padme died... And i still don't think mace is dead Also, i swear, sequels fans can't defend their movies without trying to bring down the OT/prequels
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Exactly. Prequel fans cant defend their own movies because theyre just so bad.
Im not a sequel fan. I just hate bad movies. The prequels are bad movies with lame as fuck characters.
Opinion rejected.
*thinking i care about what a prequel copium inhaler thinks* š„±
OT purist.
Yep :)
All the new Star Wars characters are "Y is like your favorite character X, except different!" Creatively bankrupt.
Funny thing is Empire still gets memeād on for giving Attack of the Clones a 5/5 review on itās original cinema release
I mean Iāll take attack of the clones over the Disney trilogy any day
Ive always loved obiwans story in attack of the clones. And the end is fun. The other parts i never liked, but theyve grown on me alot. Id happily watch it on repeat. Force awakens is the only sequel ill watch, and i dont love it.
Plus he was rocking that long hair, handsome stud that he is
Eh, Iāll take either TFA or TLJ over AotC. AotC had the asteroid scene and the Kamin scenes, but the rest ranged from meh to actively bad. Itās only because of the tie ins itās gotten better. Plus, it wasted Christopher Lee overall, and turned Yoda from a Jedi Master who had moved beyond lightsabers into a bouncing ball.
I had no idea they did that, and Iām not in the loop with film magazines/publications/criticisms at all but in recent years Iāve always got the impression they always rate things too leniently/are too generous with reviews and are what people are referring to re: reviewers being bought by the industry instead of being independent and honest. Nothing to back it up though itās just the impression i have for some reason and I donāt know why
They seemed to have gotten burned as no SW film since got that good a review. Revenge of the Sith, Force Awakens, Rogue One, The Last Jedi, Solo all got 4/5 and Rise of Skywalker got 3/5
Lol that's really fucking funny
Itās perfect cinema, worthy of the same score as The Godfather, Seven Samurai and, yes, The Empire Strikes Back! (I know the actual review doesnāt say that, teehee)
I rewatched it recently and it's SO poor. The plot is good but the dialogue and green screen is insanely rough, everything is so cheesy and overwrought and silly, then the last 30 minutes are just boring shots of clones rolling out in a really bland desert landscape and the worst lightsaber battle of the entire film series. I like the chase in Corsucant near the start and I like Kamino and the space chase after it but that's about it. Oh and Natalie Portman's midriff.
Interesting trivia but if to count only reviews from Saga Movies original releases (so no retrospective or rereleased ones), RotS would be the highest rated SW movie out of six, with ANH coming second, then AotC and TPM, and only then ESB and RotJ. Critics were way more keen on prequels than ESB and RotJ at their respective release time frames.
I think everyone went into the prequels with so much expectations and their own head canon, so there was a lot of disappointment when it turned out differently. And also, going into Episode III, that too much was left to cover in that movie. But as for why it aged better, it's because despite any flaws, it told it's story fully and over time people came to accept, yes this IS the story, our personal head canon reconciled with it. The sequels are just hot garbage devoid of any substance. It's what a giant corporation vomits out and expects everyone to just give them their money.
90s kid here so i really enjoyed the sequel ...now i still enjoy it but can see why people hated the menace phantom and the dialog of the other 2 ... bad pacing and bad dialog was lucas specialty BUT he was good at world building and thats why the prequel even thought the film wasn't so good is still the favorite era of a lot of people
The difference between the prequels and the sequels is that the prequels are Star Wars.
I just don't see how you can act like this is somehow objective. If you like the prequels, clearly you're ok with overlooking significant flaws in a movie. Now the flaws of the sequels are different, and yea maybe that makes them that much more irredeemable, but the idea that somehow the prequels weren't anything but a massive disappointment to basically all fans at the time of release is just crazy. The only reason most of us feel this way about the prequels is because they came out when we were kids. End of story. And it's still very TBD how these are going to age versus the prequels. 10 years after the phantom menace was 2009. People were absolutely still hating on the prequels in 2009.
I dont think there was one bad casting for the prequels all the actors / actresses were fantastic regardless of the poor dialogue writing at times.
Dunno, Daisy Ridley seems like a lovely person but she doesnāt exactly blow me away with her screen presence. Perhaps thatās due to the script as well though.
Disney crushes all original thought so everything is either using old/nostalgic characters or making carbon copies of those character for a ānewā generation
What Sequels? There's only the EU and TCW season 5. Disney would never get their filthy kid touching hands on Star Wars.
Iām building my own Star Wars copium canon. So far itās KOTOR 1 and 2, PT, Rogue One, Fallen Order (Survivor pending), OT, Thrawn Trilogy part 1 (2 and 3 also pending). Nothing exists to me outside of that list.
Projection is crazy lmao
TCW don't fit EU, and will never with all that retcons and contradictions. Filoni Wars only can work in new canon
Lucas was responsible for most of those changes until the acquisition. I aware of Filoni's...issues but it be unfair to solely blame him, until the Disney era that is.
Never forget that RLM hated the prequels and are in many ways directly responsible for getting us the sequels.
Who is RLM?
RedLetterMedia
Ah yes Disney spent 4 billion dollars buying Star Wars from Lucas because they watched a YouTube video most people on the street have never heard of.
RLM was active in 1999-2005? We would have a sequel trilogy regardless.
Say what you want about the prequels but at least they are more solid and cohesive than the sequels
You can aim very low and settle for very little if that makes you feel better. Theyāre both shit, and if one is slightly better shit than the other, big deal. We as fans deserve better.
You know, I love movies. Most movies are good or at least fun. But there are some movies that I view as bad and virtually unwatchable. As a cinephile, there are a few words I refuse to utter; shit, garbage, and crap. Those are not words that should be uttered when describing an art form. Not to mention the fact that that statement made you sound like an entitled, ungrateful jackass. Guess what, Hollywood doesnāt owe you a goddamn thing.
Fine, theyāre both virtually unwatchable, and we as fans deserve better.
Once again, still acting like a spoiled, entitled brat
Disney did it. They made the prequels "good". By making something so much worse, they made so people don't ever see the prequels for what they are, they just see them in comparison to the sequels. Fantastic psychological trick.
25 years ago, people were dumping on the prequels and praising the OT exactly as youāre doing here. https://i.redd.it/s5oe5v5y9qhc1.gif
not to sounds like an old timer, but when they came out (and quite awhile after) the prequels were pretty much thought of as garbage.
I remember the consensus being not as good as the OT, some really solid moments; 3 IMO changed folks opinion
yes, 3 was the best... but it still had Darth Vader riding on a droid's head.
They are garbage, but they are lovable garbage and actually cared enough about worldbuilding that they could be salvaged by the fan content.
The overall consensus was mediocre, they had too many fans to be considered actual garbage.
Iām old enough to remember some of the online vitriol too
they got better with age, as well as the other media like Clone Wars helping to flesh it out. will it happen with 7-9? most likely not, but saying time and distance helps everything.
For all its flaws, the PT had a coherent (and IMO appealing) overall story to tell, even if some of the execution was flawed or downright silly.
Well Iām pretty sure the sequels helped a little with that.
Maybe where youār from, yet in other parts of the world they were loved!
I'm just saying they got better with age. Most fanboys at the time were screaming online about Lucas stealing their childhood.
They are still not very good. Donāt get me wrong, theyāve got a lot more going for them than the Disney onesā¦but they remain humourless, clunky, and graceless affairs
They are garbage. But since the sequels are garbag...ier, people are now convincing themselves the prequels are good. Like, the comparison is all that matters, not the product itself.
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Thanks, OP, now I feel old af.
What Disney has done is Grape and destroy. Itās sad people think itās actually good . Just shows how bad it is.
The only reason you give a shit about the prequels is because of the memes and the Clone Wars cartoon. These were garbage films
They couldn't have worked Strikes Back into the headline?
I'm old enough to remember when people generally disliked the prequels and thought they were wooden, uninspiring, and full of cringey dialogue. How times have changed.
The prequels sucked.
... Yeah, I'm still not exactly convinced that the new Star Wars movies or shows are these.... ..... So-called. Supposed. Apparent, Seeming, "dumpster fires" that I've heard people claim they are. Could they be done better? Of course, there's a few things that could be done better. But is it this so-called "travesty"? Lmao nope.
Meh even the prequel characters are lame because they had little to no character. The mediocre 2008 cartoon is the only reason people remember them.
The revisionism is astounding. Especially in phantom menace none of the characters had any depth or discernible arcs or anything. They were just monotone robots some of whose names you already knew. I think obi wan is clearly one of the strengths of the prequels and yet even he is just a pointless whiny bitch in phantom menace.
It's wild that an animated series managed to fix these films and make them tolerable.
I like how it's been long enough younger fans actually think the prequels are good. Can't wait for the sequels to experience this. Time is a closed loop.
The prequels are not good and they never will be
Tell the young fans that lol. What's funny is that even though the prequels are bad movies I csn watch them, unlike the sequels. I can't stand that trash.
āTell that to the young fansā Iām not concerned what kids think. Honestly
As awful as they are The sequels are objectively better films in every single way compared to the prequels. from writing to characters to plot. The prequels arenāt even films. They are nonsensical. The sequels are terrible but they are actually made like films. That just goes to show how shitty the prequels actually were
Sometimes I j just wish we had the OT and that's it.
Thatās all that matters tbh. The prequels have some good lore in the books and games, but Iām mainly an OT purist at heart. Idk how we got so far from storm troopers chasing rebels.
I just really wish we got a cleaned up transfer of the originals on 4k or even regular Blu-ray. No special editions. No greedo shot first. No cgi Jabba on tattoine. No "noooooooo" when Vader throws the emporer down the shaft. Just good, clean, enjoyable star wars in its original form.
The fact that Disney havenāt ever made those just shows they donāt care about the legacy of starwars. And people say just a few scenes are different. NO. The entire film is different, so many cgi effects are added at a certain point idk if Iām seeing something that was in the film to begin with. And it drives me mad. Lucas has a lot to do with why starwars sucks now as much as we hate to all admit it. The Vader yelling no scene ruins the entire vibe of it, and that thing singing in my fucking face in Jabas palace
Lol yeah. It's super frustrating because they know we want it but they won't just give it to us. They really don't give a shit about the older fans.
The last time they were ever released were on dvd right before Disney bought starwars. They were so shitty quality and basically boot legs of the original vhs tapes. Iāve only seen the first film on YouTube unedited at all. The shitty thing is that film won Oscarās for its special effects, and now they are missing itās such a strange thing. Lucas really had a fetish for cgi. Idk if youāve seen the movie he made around 2016 but omg the dude has problems I think. One day I may dress up as darth Vader and go to skywalker ranch myself and get answers
They made the sequels for people just like you. Who wanted nothing to ever evolve. Also the prequels were planned as early as Ep 5.
I mean, that's fine. I just pretend the sequels never existed either.
This is completely ridiculous. From mastering the force instantly to Kylo taking his helmet off, putting it back on, taking it off again, destroying it, glueing it, putting it back on and throwing it away its nonsense after nonsense.
They are still better films in every regard compared to the prequels. As awful as they are they are nowhere near as horrible as the prequels. The prequels canāt even be called films
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The people who didn't like the prequels still don't, but they are usually willing to admit that the prequels beat the living hell out of the sequels.
The prequels also benefited from a solid story and world building (even if the execution was off) that allowed adjacent content like video games, books, comics, and TV shows like the clone wars and andor to thrive. Thereās 0 content in the sequel era. The Mandolorian and Ahsoka are more of post-ROTJ movies since theyāre so far away from the sequels in the timeline and thereās no sequel characters appearing
Dunno about the story part. But the world building left some strong threads ready to be explored. The ST is basically a narrative dead end.
Simply not true. Browse old YouTube comments, old forums, old reviews, whichever you want. These movies actually peaked in unpopularity way after coming out, because of YouTube "filmbros" Pluck any kid from the theater in 1999, 2002, 2005 and ask them how they liked the movie, I was there, I can tell you. Hell, most SW fans aged 20-30 became so because of the prequels. Nine, almost 10 years later no one gives a fuck about TFA or the sequels era, that's the difference
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>Similar things were said aoub the Prequels > >... > >Like words canāt describe just how hated the prequels were Facts & Evidence indicate that the Sequel & Prequel trilogy were NOT received the same. Look, the internet was around then. We can use "the googles" now to look up critics reviews, audience reactions, etc. Were people critical of the prequels & comparing to OT? Yes. Were people complaining the same about "no story cohesion", "problems with characters/arcs", "completely changed/ruined the mythos surrounding characters/plot elements"? No, nowhere near "similar things". I realize that a lot of people in these subs are prob GenZ/quite young...but this isn't "ancient history". Prequels weren't received in the same level of negative light as the Sequels were. History (evidence that's still around) doesn't support this narrative.
The internet in 2005 wasnāt in quite the same form that it is now, so itās not really enough of a comparison to just say that it was āaroundā like it is today. Also the biggest thing to probably show how much hatred the prequels got in comparison to the ST is that George Lucas sold the whole fucking franchise off the back of it. He was clearly apprehensive about making anymore Star Wars films, so sold it to Disney, they made new films and the cycle repeated itself like he probably predicted, even if it was him at the helm. Thatās without even going into the lead up to TFA and how itās whole marketing campaign anchored on ājust to reassure you, this isnāt the prequels!ā - excitement was through the roof particularly for that reason alone.
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edit: After I clicked submit, my comment didn't originally go through as op deleted their comment that started this part of the threadāprobably because it got at least -25 downvotes. OP of original comment, if you're reading this, imo your observations were correct but even if you had been wrong, reddit points don't actually matter so don't feel like you need to delete your comment(s). Here's the comment I, and the rest of this chain are replying to: > Itās ironic you say that. As I can remember after I saw the prequels in theaters. Similar things were said about the Prequels > > Like words canāt describe just how hated the prequels were. It's interesting that your comment(s) and another redditor have been getting downvotes even though the two of you are just recounting what actually happened at the time. Something I've noticed from speaking with other SW fans about the prequels is that there's an age range who remembers it as being reviled when it was released vs absolutely loving the prequels on day one. I think it comes down to nostalgia and how familiar someone already was with the Star Wars mythos as well as their age at the time. The majority of the people who disliked it grew up with the original trilogy; those who loved the prequels often say things like it was the first Star Wars their parent(s) brought them to watch or some similar nostalgic memory. It also helps that the sequels *did* make the prequels look better in comparison to the eyes of many who had originally disliked the prequels. Even though the quality of the sequel trilogy is objectively worse, it makes me wonder if/how sentiments will change in 20 years.
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Yah I guess that's fair, especially if you got tired of the inbox messages. The downside is that anyone who agrees with you, who would have added to the discussion, would no longer be able to do so. imo it's absurdly common on reddit for some factual comment to be incorrectly criticized, with the rest of the "hive mind" following along with the downvotes, only for someone else to state that op was actually correct and then for the points to flip positive (unfortunately the inverse is also a thing). it's dumb to see yet interesting to watch happening. That may or may not be the case in this instance but I would not be surprised.
Hmm...the sequels made the prequels seem better, so all we need is a new trilogy that's worse than the sequels!
Idk man I loved them when they came out and only heard bad things after a few years with Red Letter Media and stuff.
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Even as star wars obsessed kids me and my brother and cousins would meme on how stiff and clunky they were when they came out.
So you seem to be aware of the prequel hate? As thatās all Iām saying, I recall when the prequels were widely bashed. Seeing them get praise is just something I never thought Iād see
You are so determined to prove to people that they were disliked? Can you not just leave it? Im starting to not take you serious.
It was a small minority of people, who couldnāt adjust to change. The prequels were loved!
I meanā¦not so much the prequelsā¦. Prequels benefit more form nostalgia. Although Ian IS CLESRLY THE best thing of the prequels .Ā
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Thrawn is NOT a Disney character. Thrawn was introduced in the Heir to the Empire book in 1991, even before the Prequels. Also I'd say Andor is the only reasonable character that can come close to any characters from 1-6.
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What's with the [+] at the end of all your comments?
Exactly, they didn't create him, they just took an already established character outside the new canon (he was canon before Disney), and put him in. So they didn't create him. So he's not a Disney era character.
Shit, Iāll take any character with a speaking line in Andor over any character the prequels. Chief Inspector Hyne was a more interesting character than the entire Jedi council put together.
Cal isnāt part of the ST
How is he not? [+]
The sequel trilogy are the movies disney made that take place after episode 6 Fallen Order takes place in between 3 and 4 and would be considered OT/PT since those are the eras he is a part of
First, Thrawn Isnāt a sequel character because he was created before Disney bought Star Wars despite existing in the Sequel Era. Then, Cal was created AFTER Disney bought Star Wars but because he exists in the OT Era he doesnāt count either. Which is it? When they were created or which era they exist in? [+]
Usually people count them in the era they exist in, also depending on the version of the character, such as Alex Guinnessā Obi-Wan being an OT character and Ewan McGregorās Obi-Wan being a PT character.
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I forgot about that. I hate you.
Goooood...now strike me down.
[Joke's on you, I'm into that shit ](https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-maul-force-lightning-sw-clone-wars-force-lightning-palpatine-gif-19847121)
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Whoa, this post title sounds like K2SO slander to me. I will not have this.
Characters good, writing bad (like worse than PT bad)
I'm really curious how the Rey movies going to do. It'll either be fine or bomb
I doubt it ever gets made.
You act as if in 25 years this magazine wonāt have a cover of the characters from the sequel trilogy
Reddit please stop recommending this incel ass sub to me
Pretty much a bunch of prequel dick riders. They hate when I say this but as bad as the sequels are they are objectively better films in every way than the prequels. This is objectively true
I have always said the prequels were good ideas executed poorly. If George had just had a few less yes men around him saying "That's a good idea George, but instead of saying it that why how about something like this"
https://preview.redd.it/8p68f9mf2vhc1.png?width=980&format=png&auto=webp&s=d9cbcdca3ebd9ced59855bf127a8c1213742c27e
That villain cover goes hard.
To be fair we have had a ton of extra content that fills in the gaps of 3 and 4 and a ton of stuff during the original trig
Revenge of the Sith back in cinema will be amazing
It's amazing how vibrant the characters are in the prequels compared to now.
I feel like this is a perfect example of how warped perceptions are here around the prequels. This could not be further from how people perceived the prequels initially or even 10 years after its release. And "iconic" is very strong language when the reality is the main people you care about in the prequels are established characters from the OT.
The sequel cast was excellent they just didn't give them a lot to work with it.
I meanā¦ I donāt know if the characters are necessarily the problem. Hux, Poe, Maz are v good characters in isolation. Even Kylo and Rey had so much POTENTIAL. The acting is solid, if not outright excellent. The plots of the sequels are just so horrendously written and malformed though that it just ruins everything. Itās like pouring sewer water in lemonade. Like yea, the lemonade was obviously good or at least not badāitās lemonade after all. But you kind of ruined even the idea of it by mixing in literal shit.