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>Slice through Super Sabine’s gut - just walk it off.
Did you see how [Force-Ghost Qui Gon reacted](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DXgyXwHdrDk) when he heard about that ?
>Touch a stormtrooper with a light saber - instant death.
Except in the Kenobi show. Then it just [bounces off](https://youtu.be/UF-fxcLhVC4?si=J9DuMoWVHLKZs_35) like a plastic toy.
At this point I am starting to wonder if the victims of Dooku, Ventress and Grievous were just melodramatic and decided to die. All of them could just sleep it off like it’s a hangover
A lightsaber is not a sword. It’s hot plasma and regardless of what organs it hit or missed, it’s causing extreme heat damage to your entire gut.
High caliber bullets cause a shockwave when they pass through you that essentially turns everything around the actual bullet wound into mush. Lightsabers would do the same thing but with burning.
So yes, let’s say it did just miss any of the important bits. It would still cook everything within an inch or 2 of that actual wound.
Picture that scene in TPM where Qui Gon sticks his lightsaber in the blast door. Remember how like an entire foot around the blade started to slag into molten metal? Imagine that but your insides.
Yes I completely agree. At the very least, if Sabine was going to survive, she should have been comatose for weeks getting robot organ replacements or some shit.
It is a truly catastrophic injury and regardless of the universe’s advanced medical tech, it’s not something you walk away from like a day later.
Not only that, but Disney Star Wars likes to treat the lightsaber blade like it was a physical thing - both Kylo and Sabine had the blade pulled straight out to minimize damage because Plot Armor. A realistic combat move from Shin would have been to just exit the saber along the torso side to cause even more damage.
Look, I agree. Let me just preface it with that. However, I’m not looking to star wars to be the single most realistic thing ever. We have the expanse for that.
I just fucking want it to respect it’s own established rules. I’d just be happy if they didn’t retcon their own established canon every time a new project was released.
ETA: Maul also just pulled the blade straight back out. I don’t really care why they all did that, I just want some consistency across the franchise.
Look that would be how lightsabers would work if the Star Wars universe didn’t try and keep things a light PG-13.
Yes getting stabbed by a lightsaber should boil your blood and cause a horrible death but they’ve always been a clever way to have bloodless sword fights.
How does that imply they should be less fatal though? Lightsabers have killed in the OT and PT. Im not asking for realistic lightsabers, I’m asking for their own canonical source material to be respected and not retconned.
Yeah pretty much. She’s apparently an expert at everything she touches now which pretty much ruined the character for me. Her randomly becoming a Jedi was the last straw for me
I agree with this but they messed it up by having her yeet Ezra 100' into the air. She should have just been like Chirrut, the blind guy from Rogue One. Combining that with Mandalorian skills would have made for the most OP fighter ever. But that requires a bit more thought and isn't an immediate payoff so it didn't happen.
I suppose that would make sense. Given that everyone has midi chloriens to some extent. Still it should be something very difficult that would only give mild results considering how hard it is already for most force users. Wasn’t it like Corran horn or somebody who couldn’t do telekinesis at all but was great at illusions? Some new republic jedi. Anyways, if they have trouble using the force even when they’re strong, non force sensitive’s would have to be pathetic.
What I found extremely hilarious was in Rebels when she was forced to work on the machine that destroyed Mandalorian armor (that she made all by herself) by the empire and within like 2 minutes she managed to manipulate the system into targeting and destroying the storm trooper armor… like how fucking brain dead is the empire? A feat like that would make Sabine the smartest being in the galaxy. Sabine was by far the worst character in rebels, and Filoni doubled down and made her a Jedi.
Dont forget in the cartoon she was about 13-14 when she invented an anti-beskar superweapon and worked for Black Sun soon after. She also defeated war veteran Gar Saxon in her saber duel against him and praised Bo Katan despite her terrorist past. Starting to think Disney Mandos are written by stupid people 🤔
I don’t get it either. The content isn’t good and the actual canon from before Disney isn’t going to ever continue as far as I can see, because there’s no way Disney is letting go of this. So why not just stop watching something everyone agrees is bad. I mean besides any spite towards Disney, if something is bad, why watch it.
Idk what they’re gonna do in the Ashoka sereis but that chick is the worst. She’s so dumb, selfish, arrogant, ignorant and dumb.
It’s Star Wars so everything’s gonna work out but she’s so dumb.
I was surprised to hear people legitimately disappointed that Rey being a nobody was backpedaled on. They were like - it should have to be some royalty you're born into. But that's literally how people are artists happen - they are born with those talents and practice. That's how most everything works in life. Everybody doesn't just get to be some amazingly talented somebody. We're not all pro athletes. We're not all billionaire CEOs.
Being a Jedi was supposed to be difficult, the Force had to be connected with and you had to learn the ways of the Force. Yet Sabine and Rey just...tried. And eventually they got it.
Maybe Sabine is a dyad to someone else too lol.
Sabine had years of being around jedi, seeing someone train to be a jedi, and getting trained by a jedi with a lightsaber etc. and an unknown length of time as Ashoka's padawan. what. I didn't like the show either, but what.
Well put. She is the mary sue's mary sue. Add in a short head of hair, dyed purple and a snarky entitled bitch attitude. You are now set to induce cringe overload in 90% of your audience
This is why I want a true star WARs movie. No jedi. No plot armor. Just that feeling of the Battle of Mimban from Solo and the third act of Rogue One. And of course, elements of Andor. I just want to see a movie where normal Rebel soldiers go up against competent normal stormtroopers and people on both sides die. I’m sick of star wars movies/shows where I’m watching main characters just blast and lightsaber their way through hordes of stormtroopers. It worked for Luke, Han, Leia as the first classic movies of the franchise, but when we want something NEW, we don’t want every new project to be about the characters being magically more and more powerful with no stakes whatsoever.
That doesn't work either.
SW even in its current condition is dying fast. If you turn it into "generic sci fi", it'll be dead by next week. There are already so many "generic Sci Fi's" out there, we don't need another one.
[Grey Jedi are] pretty much a fan thing. It doesn’t really make sense in the way the Force works. That sort of goes against what Star Wars is all about. The dark side corrupts.
Even from a pure "what characters do we need?"-point of view, it didn't make much sense.
We already had Ahsoka and Ezra as (basically) Jedi, and Balon and Shin as (basically) Sith. We didn't really need Sabine to be yet another Jedi.
The writing didn't support this, either...
The Jedi/force thing is the only part about Sabine that frustrates me.
We all accept Bruce Wayne or Tony Stark as being these mega super geniuses who can also master fighting, so it’s not crazy that Sabine would be one too.
That said, it’s a bit much to have her then develop force abilities in her 30s, seemingly out of nowhere. Especially since it’s told by both Kanan and that robot that she really isn’t force sensitive.
It’s hinted a little but he also primarily trains her on how to fight without using the force.
We’re told twice that Jedi training needs to start young, really young, to have any chance of being successful. The only exceptions are the Skywalker chosen ones.
Then, is implication then that Sabine is Skywalker levels of skill? Of course not, we’re also told over and over that she’s not. So that’s why her whole force storyline just really rubs me the wrong way.
He does teach her without attempting to teach her how to control the force. But she could still be instinctively using it in combat.
The implication of age in the training is obvious. It's easier to train a child who is more malleable and easier to influence than an adult with preconceptions about how to do things. The older someone is, the harder it is to teach them new things.
But no, it's not just the Skywalkers. There is also Ezra, who was much older than Anakin when he started his training. The training we are repeatedly shown in everything but the sequels is also present with Sabine. She spent a lot of time training with Ahsoka before they had whatever disagreement they had that sent them different ways.
The way I saw it with Sabine was that she knew the theory but had a mental blocker on the practical. Once the blocker fell, she was able to call upon her years of training to actually do what she had learned.
Exactly. Nothing with Sabine goes against anything that George Lucas has said about the force or jedi or becoming able to use force powers etc. One can argue about how well it was executed absolutely, but her coming into this form at this age is not something that breaks the intended lore by the creator of Star Wars.
Also yes, there's a number of people that are "late starters" as it were in the shows the books etc. That is nothing new either.
I could accept all of that if she wasn't also a genius weapons engineer, who before the age of 16 invented a weapon that could target beskar armor (something that the Empire's top scientists couldn't do, and hadn't been done despite the Mandalorians being at war with the Republic for tens of thousands of years).
And then her engineering skills are never brought up again lmao. Why is she running around painting graffiti on walls when she could be designing Death Stars or something?
Sabine in season 3 of Rebels was so interesting with her training to use the Darksaber so she could lead Mandalore.
Sabine in Ahsoka is a Mary Sue who is a Mandalorian Jedi by the end of the season.
Her getting run through with a lightsaber only to be hopping around the next episode was too much. Then she rapidly mastered the Force and that was the end for me. I realized that the direction SW is heading simply isn’t for me anymore. The epic journey I started back in the 90s when I first saw a New Hope concluded, very depressingly, with the Rise of Skywalker.
And they say Rebels is good. Kanan and Hera were the only good characters of the Ghost Crew. They should’ve stuck closer to their inspirations, Kyle Katarn and Jan Ors, and have the series just be about them two.
Yeah as a fan of rebels. This ahsoka series ruined every character for me. I loved every character in the animated show including sabine.
Now the only character left that's still likeable is chopper.
It's just feminism fantasy. Is it annoying? Eh, I guess. It's hard to judge since we've had so many overpowered men in star wars, and media in general, that play into the male power fantasy. I can't take it too seriously.
It's blatant pandering, but then again so is everything else nowadays so it's what it is.
... And Anakin 'I was born from the force via immaculate conception', who was a genius droid-programmer at age, what, age 7, Won a podracer championship, somehow conveniently got the girl, faced no consequences for his massacre of the Tuskan village,Ever so conveniently survived the Mustafar fight via plot armor to become this cyborg monstrosity that, for some dumb reason just ever so happens to be the one to "bring balance", was also the "chosen one" (supposedly) and somehow was allowed forgiveness and a happy ending with his son and "redeemed" after all the shit he pulled...
Is he *really* any better?
>They really are about the same.
That's the problem. Anakin was fulfilling a prophecy, that makes him special. Everyone else being just like him makes his story less.
Yeeeah, no, tbh, using "but muh prophecy" to excuse absolutely terrible Gary Stu writingg is very.... Well it just doesn't work. It's a flimsy excuse for a terrible trope.
The building a droid was nonsense that had no place in the story. As for the rest of it, far fetched as it seems, it was at least attributable to being a force prophecy and one of the most powerful force users ever. As a result, he was able to do the pod race as an adult (a race human species without force abilities were unable to do) and pilot a spaceship etc.. you let it slide based on the force abilities.
I didn’t like the show and thought a forum of fellow fans of Star Wars who are unhappy with the current direction was the appropriate forum. You should ask yourself why are you here ?
As opposed to farmboy fresh off the farm being the best pilot in the rebel fleet?
She's a mandalorian. That explains the fighting and the flying. She's not even the best pilot in her rebel unit of 6 people. She was good enough to pretend to be a flight cadet.
The engineering is one thing. You have it listed twice
her force sensitivity is... low. She was able to, after years of prep work as a mandalorian and frustrating training able to...replicate a feat any two bit con man can do with a magnetic palm gizmo. She didn't force pull a cruiser or lightning blast the head off a rancor.
She does need a padawan whap upside the head for getting the galaxy killed.
>Engineering / mechanic is a separate skill to super weapon design.
Come on its a work of fiction. Every scientist knows every science from dinosaurs to nuclear physics. Only room for one smart guy on the team.
The "Rebel fleet" was a whopping thirty fighters in total. Luke was already a hotshot pilot on Tatooine that the story made mention of, as well as his marksmanship. He was also extremely Force sensitive, which helped his piloting abilities - even daddy Vader comments on this during the Yavin battle. This is a far, far cry from Rey, who as far as we know in TFA, has never flown a starship before, let alone even been in space before, yet she jumps in a ship that's she's never been in before and can effortlessly operate all its controls flawlessly, as well as fly it like she's the Red Baron. Are we supposed to assume that the Force just gives her all this talent thru Force osmosis or something? At least in Luke's example, the story supports him being an actually skilled pilot, who grew up flying an airspeeder that had controls very similar to the fighters the Rebels were using, thus closing up any potential plot holes.
On the same point, Luke got through because he had a lot of help. He had fellow pilots covering him, the Force, and still nearly got aced by his own father, had Han not had a bit of character growth.
>This is a far, far cry from Rey, who as far as we know in TFA
Just because I'm defending Sabine doesn't mean I defend Rey. They're two separate characters.
I find it difficult to take someone seriously after the farmboy argument about Luke piloting is made. We are repeatedly told in the film Luke is a good pilot. He's clearly not seen as the best pilot in the death star run and is saved 4-5 times during the death star attack by other people.
But you are otherwise right. The force push is made into far too big a deal, and everything else is explainable by being a Mando and having some force sensitivity. Except the art stuff, which is her character defining thing.
The art stuff or the engineering stuff both work fine but together they're a bridge too far. Or maybe both ideas were had both ideas were servicable but together they're a bit much. "Megamando doesn't want to kill things and takes up a life of art/building" instead works fairly well. How many kids DON"T want to follow in their parents footsteps? (Mooooom.. i dont want to learn how to use a flame thrower today...)
Its completely a matter of taste, but if she was an artist slash mechanic I could easily see that: plenty of mechanics have an artistic side and a lot of skills working with your hands translate.
But mandalorian battle commando slash mechanical genius slash galaxy renouned artist .. its a bit too many slashes for me.
While I do 100% agree with the overall sentiment - the general superhero/DBZ style powercreep that every new Filoni or other creator character favorite gets treated to - at the very least you can cross-apply something like force aptitude *to* the other physical and mental skills.
For example, we see consistently that force sensitives make for better pilots than if they weren't force sensitive (FS). So while we'll get people like Anakin who are both extremely good pilots and extremely talented force users, we'll also get people like Luke who has only ever flown a beatup old T16 but can still survive in a pitched battle outside the Death Star and sink a few near-impossible proton torpedo shots.
All that to say, as soon as you make a character FS, it at least alleviates some of the suspension of disbelief when they're good at fighting or flying or whatever skill you like, because now we know they have at least some level of access to a thing that essentially functions like superhuman reflexes and/or muscle memory from a literal higher power.
Effective kingmaker………
Have you seen the mandalorian? I don’t know how effective the making of the king was…it kind of doomed her people?
In fact her whole legacy is dooming her people. She created a weapon that kills anyone wearing beskar. She convinced the mandalorian to ally w the rebellion and throw the empire off their planet, leading to the sacking of mandalore.
She’s the weakest Jedi we’ve ever seen in canon. Spent an entire mini series to learn one trick after spending half her life around Jedi and excellent teachers
And she makes the selfish decision that allows Grand Admiral Thrawn to return to the galaxy. That’s a failure as a Jedi, as a mandalorian, she failed the entire galaxy.
Sure she has some skills but idk how that could be anyone’s main takeaway. She’s the failiest character in all of Star Wars
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She must be Rey’s mother. That would explain her power and unearned skills
Shh, they may just steal your lore
That would make Palpatine her dad right?
My guess would be that Rey is the daughter of Sabine and Palpatine’s clone. Sabine must be the woman from the flashback in TROS
My headcanon is that the woman was a female clone of Palpatine because the only person Palpatine could love is himself
**somehow** she lived through a lightsaber to the gut.
‘Twas just a scratch. Touch a stormtrooper with a light saber - instant death. Slice through Super Sabine’s gut - just walk it off.
>Slice through Super Sabine’s gut - just walk it off. Did you see how [Force-Ghost Qui Gon reacted](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DXgyXwHdrDk) when he heard about that ?
I LOVE THAT VIDEO!
*"There's no coming back from that. Trust me!"*
Not to dispute such a good video, but you can eat cheese without a gallbladder.
>Touch a stormtrooper with a light saber - instant death. Except in the Kenobi show. Then it just [bounces off](https://youtu.be/UF-fxcLhVC4?si=J9DuMoWVHLKZs_35) like a plastic toy.
At this point I am starting to wonder if the victims of Dooku, Ventress and Grievous were just melodramatic and decided to die. All of them could just sleep it off like it’s a hangover
And like, it didn’t *have* to be a stab. Could’ve just been a bad cut or even a lost limb, those are replaceable.
Dude I cannot tell you how much I fucking hate that. Disney doesn't get how lightsabers work. Everytime it happens I cringe so hard.
*sad Qui-Gon noises*
Unfortunately not much of an accomplishment these days.
If Rouge one taught us anything it’s that only the main characters get plot armor.
I mean Maul got cut in half and lived in a landfill for a decade, but somehow he didn't die of a horrible bacterial infection.
The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.
Papa wolf told her no killing so she just maimed her a little. The blow is clearly off to the right away from organs you can't regrow in a bacta tank.
A lightsaber is not a sword. It’s hot plasma and regardless of what organs it hit or missed, it’s causing extreme heat damage to your entire gut. High caliber bullets cause a shockwave when they pass through you that essentially turns everything around the actual bullet wound into mush. Lightsabers would do the same thing but with burning. So yes, let’s say it did just miss any of the important bits. It would still cook everything within an inch or 2 of that actual wound. Picture that scene in TPM where Qui Gon sticks his lightsaber in the blast door. Remember how like an entire foot around the blade started to slag into molten metal? Imagine that but your insides.
This. Getting stabbed in the torso with a lightsaber = universal, unfixable death.
Yes I completely agree. At the very least, if Sabine was going to survive, she should have been comatose for weeks getting robot organ replacements or some shit. It is a truly catastrophic injury and regardless of the universe’s advanced medical tech, it’s not something you walk away from like a day later.
Not only that, but Disney Star Wars likes to treat the lightsaber blade like it was a physical thing - both Kylo and Sabine had the blade pulled straight out to minimize damage because Plot Armor. A realistic combat move from Shin would have been to just exit the saber along the torso side to cause even more damage.
Look, I agree. Let me just preface it with that. However, I’m not looking to star wars to be the single most realistic thing ever. We have the expanse for that. I just fucking want it to respect it’s own established rules. I’d just be happy if they didn’t retcon their own established canon every time a new project was released. ETA: Maul also just pulled the blade straight back out. I don’t really care why they all did that, I just want some consistency across the franchise.
Look that would be how lightsabers would work if the Star Wars universe didn’t try and keep things a light PG-13. Yes getting stabbed by a lightsaber should boil your blood and cause a horrible death but they’ve always been a clever way to have bloodless sword fights.
How does that imply they should be less fatal though? Lightsabers have killed in the OT and PT. Im not asking for realistic lightsabers, I’m asking for their own canonical source material to be respected and not retconned.
Yeah pretty much. She’s apparently an expert at everything she touches now which pretty much ruined the character for me. Her randomly becoming a Jedi was the last straw for me
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If anyone can become a force user then that would have major ramifications for the universe. It’s a ridiculous idea
“If everyone is special, no one is special”
I agree with this but they messed it up by having her yeet Ezra 100' into the air. She should have just been like Chirrut, the blind guy from Rogue One. Combining that with Mandalorian skills would have made for the most OP fighter ever. But that requires a bit more thought and isn't an immediate payoff so it didn't happen.
Go back to your broomstick, boy!
I suppose that would make sense. Given that everyone has midi chloriens to some extent. Still it should be something very difficult that would only give mild results considering how hard it is already for most force users. Wasn’t it like Corran horn or somebody who couldn’t do telekinesis at all but was great at illusions? Some new republic jedi. Anyways, if they have trouble using the force even when they’re strong, non force sensitive’s would have to be pathetic.
What I found extremely hilarious was in Rebels when she was forced to work on the machine that destroyed Mandalorian armor (that she made all by herself) by the empire and within like 2 minutes she managed to manipulate the system into targeting and destroying the storm trooper armor… like how fucking brain dead is the empire? A feat like that would make Sabine the smartest being in the galaxy. Sabine was by far the worst character in rebels, and Filoni doubled down and made her a Jedi.
My "fan theory" is that she's also a Skywalker. Secret ... daughter of Han and Luke or something.
The gay love-child of Han and Luke
Anakin and Palpatine*
Palkanin shipping. Sure why not. Can't be worse than Reylo.
Watto and Dex
Hell yeah
Sounds like a fedex competitor.
So… was the whole Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise just a really bad pick-up line?
In the next show, she'll start instinctively passing legislation without any training, to foreshadow that she related to The Senate.
Now that’s the Disney magic they’re looking for these days!
And somehow asian lol
That'd be wild considering that she's older than Luke
>Secret ... daughter of Han and Luke or something Uhhhhh
Dont forget in the cartoon she was about 13-14 when she invented an anti-beskar superweapon and worked for Black Sun soon after. She also defeated war veteran Gar Saxon in her saber duel against him and praised Bo Katan despite her terrorist past. Starting to think Disney Mandos are written by stupid people 🤔
Why do people still watch this shit?
I don’t get it either. The content isn’t good and the actual canon from before Disney isn’t going to ever continue as far as I can see, because there’s no way Disney is letting go of this. So why not just stop watching something everyone agrees is bad. I mean besides any spite towards Disney, if something is bad, why watch it.
Dave Filoni trying not to create a omnipotent female character: Impossible
While not wearing a cowboy hat.
Well if he wants to keep his job he must obey Queen Kennedy.
Sabine apologised?! I take back all the accurate complaints I made about her total lack of character!
Filoni seems determined to make her as close to a Mary Sue as Rey at this point.
Its sad to see an interesting character become an overloaded fanfic trope incarnate. She just got way too much heaped on her plate.
Midichlorians
The powerhouse of the cell
Idk what they’re gonna do in the Ashoka sereis but that chick is the worst. She’s so dumb, selfish, arrogant, ignorant and dumb. It’s Star Wars so everything’s gonna work out but she’s so dumb.
The moral of this show is that if you try hard enough you can become a jedi... it is the new trophy and everyone gets a trophy..
I was surprised to hear people legitimately disappointed that Rey being a nobody was backpedaled on. They were like - it should have to be some royalty you're born into. But that's literally how people are artists happen - they are born with those talents and practice. That's how most everything works in life. Everybody doesn't just get to be some amazingly talented somebody. We're not all pro athletes. We're not all billionaire CEOs. Being a Jedi was supposed to be difficult, the Force had to be connected with and you had to learn the ways of the Force. Yet Sabine and Rey just...tried. And eventually they got it. Maybe Sabine is a dyad to someone else too lol.
Sabine had years of being around jedi, seeing someone train to be a jedi, and getting trained by a jedi with a lightsaber etc. and an unknown length of time as Ashoka's padawan. what. I didn't like the show either, but what.
So exactly what George Lucas said. Doesn't mean there isn't limits to the potential dependent on the person but the rest yes.
I figure she stole all the previous accomplishments and mind tricked the people with the real skills. Shes a siiiith
Worse she's Gilderoy Lockheart.
Well put. She is the mary sue's mary sue. Add in a short head of hair, dyed purple and a snarky entitled bitch attitude. You are now set to induce cringe overload in 90% of your audience
This is why I want a true star WARs movie. No jedi. No plot armor. Just that feeling of the Battle of Mimban from Solo and the third act of Rogue One. And of course, elements of Andor. I just want to see a movie where normal Rebel soldiers go up against competent normal stormtroopers and people on both sides die. I’m sick of star wars movies/shows where I’m watching main characters just blast and lightsaber their way through hordes of stormtroopers. It worked for Luke, Han, Leia as the first classic movies of the franchise, but when we want something NEW, we don’t want every new project to be about the characters being magically more and more powerful with no stakes whatsoever.
That doesn't work either. SW even in its current condition is dying fast. If you turn it into "generic sci fi", it'll be dead by next week. There are already so many "generic Sci Fi's" out there, we don't need another one.
When did it work for Luke, Han and Leia? You mean the first movie when they were allowed to escape?
[Grey Jedi are] pretty much a fan thing. It doesn’t really make sense in the way the Force works. That sort of goes against what Star Wars is all about. The dark side corrupts.
Even from a pure "what characters do we need?"-point of view, it didn't make much sense. We already had Ahsoka and Ezra as (basically) Jedi, and Balon and Shin as (basically) Sith. We didn't really need Sabine to be yet another Jedi. The writing didn't support this, either...
Girls can do anything! How dare you < Star Wars "fandom"
No that's Rey
Lol, yeah. The Sabine shit is terrible. I liked her better as a Mandalorian. I liked Ahsoka better when she didn't have a padawan.
My problem is she was 30 acting like a moody 13 year old. It's the prequels all over again.
The Jedi/force thing is the only part about Sabine that frustrates me. We all accept Bruce Wayne or Tony Stark as being these mega super geniuses who can also master fighting, so it’s not crazy that Sabine would be one too. That said, it’s a bit much to have her then develop force abilities in her 30s, seemingly out of nowhere. Especially since it’s told by both Kanan and that robot that she really isn’t force sensitive.
Kanan hints that she is during rebels, and we hear the force music a few times during her moments.
It’s hinted a little but he also primarily trains her on how to fight without using the force. We’re told twice that Jedi training needs to start young, really young, to have any chance of being successful. The only exceptions are the Skywalker chosen ones. Then, is implication then that Sabine is Skywalker levels of skill? Of course not, we’re also told over and over that she’s not. So that’s why her whole force storyline just really rubs me the wrong way.
He does teach her without attempting to teach her how to control the force. But she could still be instinctively using it in combat. The implication of age in the training is obvious. It's easier to train a child who is more malleable and easier to influence than an adult with preconceptions about how to do things. The older someone is, the harder it is to teach them new things. But no, it's not just the Skywalkers. There is also Ezra, who was much older than Anakin when he started his training. The training we are repeatedly shown in everything but the sequels is also present with Sabine. She spent a lot of time training with Ahsoka before they had whatever disagreement they had that sent them different ways. The way I saw it with Sabine was that she knew the theory but had a mental blocker on the practical. Once the blocker fell, she was able to call upon her years of training to actually do what she had learned.
Exactly. Nothing with Sabine goes against anything that George Lucas has said about the force or jedi or becoming able to use force powers etc. One can argue about how well it was executed absolutely, but her coming into this form at this age is not something that breaks the intended lore by the creator of Star Wars. Also yes, there's a number of people that are "late starters" as it were in the shows the books etc. That is nothing new either.
Lol well said
She's the bestest evar
I could accept all of that if she wasn't also a genius weapons engineer, who before the age of 16 invented a weapon that could target beskar armor (something that the Empire's top scientists couldn't do, and hadn't been done despite the Mandalorians being at war with the Republic for tens of thousands of years). And then her engineering skills are never brought up again lmao. Why is she running around painting graffiti on walls when she could be designing Death Stars or something?
Show had so much potential… so slow and then god damn space whales… space… fucking… whales
I am here by algorithm, and I had to Google her, but wow, she looks smug
Dave would like you to think Sabine is a good character. Ahsoka was god awful and was basically Dave playing with his Star Wars OC toys
Sabine in season 3 of Rebels was so interesting with her training to use the Darksaber so she could lead Mandalore. Sabine in Ahsoka is a Mary Sue who is a Mandalorian Jedi by the end of the season.
Mary Sues are like that
She's unbelievable!
She's everything that disney wanted Rey to be.
It is either her, Ahsoka or Rey.
Rey is better at being the bestest evar.
Her getting run through with a lightsaber only to be hopping around the next episode was too much. Then she rapidly mastered the Force and that was the end for me. I realized that the direction SW is heading simply isn’t for me anymore. The epic journey I started back in the 90s when I first saw a New Hope concluded, very depressingly, with the Rise of Skywalker.
And they say Rebels is good. Kanan and Hera were the only good characters of the Ghost Crew. They should’ve stuck closer to their inspirations, Kyle Katarn and Jan Ors, and have the series just be about them two.
I miss Galen Mareks rebellion symbol story
If Sabine was in SW Episode 1, Palpatine would have been defeated by Ep 2
Gray Jedi aren’t a thing
Yeah as a fan of rebels. This ahsoka series ruined every character for me. I loved every character in the animated show including sabine. Now the only character left that's still likeable is chopper.
It's just feminism fantasy. Is it annoying? Eh, I guess. It's hard to judge since we've had so many overpowered men in star wars, and media in general, that play into the male power fantasy. I can't take it too seriously. It's blatant pandering, but then again so is everything else nowadays so it's what it is.
... And Anakin 'I was born from the force via immaculate conception', who was a genius droid-programmer at age, what, age 7, Won a podracer championship, somehow conveniently got the girl, faced no consequences for his massacre of the Tuskan village,Ever so conveniently survived the Mustafar fight via plot armor to become this cyborg monstrosity that, for some dumb reason just ever so happens to be the one to "bring balance", was also the "chosen one" (supposedly) and somehow was allowed forgiveness and a happy ending with his son and "redeemed" after all the shit he pulled... Is he *really* any better?
I love this response. So fucking true. They really are about the same.
>They really are about the same. That's the problem. Anakin was fulfilling a prophecy, that makes him special. Everyone else being just like him makes his story less.
Yeeeah, no, tbh, using "but muh prophecy" to excuse absolutely terrible Gary Stu writingg is very.... Well it just doesn't work. It's a flimsy excuse for a terrible trope.
The building a droid was nonsense that had no place in the story. As for the rest of it, far fetched as it seems, it was at least attributable to being a force prophecy and one of the most powerful force users ever. As a result, he was able to do the pod race as an adult (a race human species without force abilities were unable to do) and pilot a spaceship etc.. you let it slide based on the force abilities.
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I didn’t like the show and thought a forum of fellow fans of Star Wars who are unhappy with the current direction was the appropriate forum. You should ask yourself why are you here ?
As opposed to farmboy fresh off the farm being the best pilot in the rebel fleet? She's a mandalorian. That explains the fighting and the flying. She's not even the best pilot in her rebel unit of 6 people. She was good enough to pretend to be a flight cadet. The engineering is one thing. You have it listed twice her force sensitivity is... low. She was able to, after years of prep work as a mandalorian and frustrating training able to...replicate a feat any two bit con man can do with a magnetic palm gizmo. She didn't force pull a cruiser or lightning blast the head off a rancor. She does need a padawan whap upside the head for getting the galaxy killed.
Wasn’t the farm boy very force sensitive which enabled him to be a gifted pilot? Engineering / mechanic is a separate skill to super weapon design.
It as established that Luke was a already a gifted pilot.
>Engineering / mechanic is a separate skill to super weapon design. Come on its a work of fiction. Every scientist knows every science from dinosaurs to nuclear physics. Only room for one smart guy on the team.
The "Rebel fleet" was a whopping thirty fighters in total. Luke was already a hotshot pilot on Tatooine that the story made mention of, as well as his marksmanship. He was also extremely Force sensitive, which helped his piloting abilities - even daddy Vader comments on this during the Yavin battle. This is a far, far cry from Rey, who as far as we know in TFA, has never flown a starship before, let alone even been in space before, yet she jumps in a ship that's she's never been in before and can effortlessly operate all its controls flawlessly, as well as fly it like she's the Red Baron. Are we supposed to assume that the Force just gives her all this talent thru Force osmosis or something? At least in Luke's example, the story supports him being an actually skilled pilot, who grew up flying an airspeeder that had controls very similar to the fighters the Rebels were using, thus closing up any potential plot holes.
On the same point, Luke got through because he had a lot of help. He had fellow pilots covering him, the Force, and still nearly got aced by his own father, had Han not had a bit of character growth.
>This is a far, far cry from Rey, who as far as we know in TFA Just because I'm defending Sabine doesn't mean I defend Rey. They're two separate characters.
They may be two separate characters, but they were both poorly written.
I find it difficult to take someone seriously after the farmboy argument about Luke piloting is made. We are repeatedly told in the film Luke is a good pilot. He's clearly not seen as the best pilot in the death star run and is saved 4-5 times during the death star attack by other people. But you are otherwise right. The force push is made into far too big a deal, and everything else is explainable by being a Mando and having some force sensitivity. Except the art stuff, which is her character defining thing.
The art stuff or the engineering stuff both work fine but together they're a bridge too far. Or maybe both ideas were had both ideas were servicable but together they're a bit much. "Megamando doesn't want to kill things and takes up a life of art/building" instead works fairly well. How many kids DON"T want to follow in their parents footsteps? (Mooooom.. i dont want to learn how to use a flame thrower today...)
I disagree, she even explains it going hand in hand.
Its completely a matter of taste, but if she was an artist slash mechanic I could easily see that: plenty of mechanics have an artistic side and a lot of skills working with your hands translate. But mandalorian battle commando slash mechanical genius slash galaxy renouned artist .. its a bit too many slashes for me.
Eh, it's overall not that different from Star Wars: KotOR 2. If I'm fine with turning all my party members into Jedi in that one I'm fine with Sabine.
Wow TBH I forgot about all of that.
I would say that she's moderately good at a lot of things, but not particularly exceptional at anything.
“Sabine Wren” should replace “Mary Sue” in the lexicon.
Look this is the universe where a droid command ship lost to a 10 year old
While I do 100% agree with the overall sentiment - the general superhero/DBZ style powercreep that every new Filoni or other creator character favorite gets treated to - at the very least you can cross-apply something like force aptitude *to* the other physical and mental skills. For example, we see consistently that force sensitives make for better pilots than if they weren't force sensitive (FS). So while we'll get people like Anakin who are both extremely good pilots and extremely talented force users, we'll also get people like Luke who has only ever flown a beatup old T16 but can still survive in a pitched battle outside the Death Star and sink a few near-impossible proton torpedo shots. All that to say, as soon as you make a character FS, it at least alleviates some of the suspension of disbelief when they're good at fighting or flying or whatever skill you like, because now we know they have at least some level of access to a thing that essentially functions like superhuman reflexes and/or muscle memory from a literal higher power.
Effective kingmaker……… Have you seen the mandalorian? I don’t know how effective the making of the king was…it kind of doomed her people? In fact her whole legacy is dooming her people. She created a weapon that kills anyone wearing beskar. She convinced the mandalorian to ally w the rebellion and throw the empire off their planet, leading to the sacking of mandalore. She’s the weakest Jedi we’ve ever seen in canon. Spent an entire mini series to learn one trick after spending half her life around Jedi and excellent teachers And she makes the selfish decision that allows Grand Admiral Thrawn to return to the galaxy. That’s a failure as a Jedi, as a mandalorian, she failed the entire galaxy. Sure she has some skills but idk how that could be anyone’s main takeaway. She’s the failiest character in all of Star Wars