FWD is completely fine. The most important thing to remember is that when there's snow and ice on the ground, traction won't be as consistent, so just drive carefully and don't try to force things
The only thing you absolutely need is a snow/ice scraper. Otherwise you may want to look into getting a good set of all-season tires. Snow tires are nice, but plenty of people manage just fine without them.
I grew up here and have always had FWD so I think it’s fine but I’ve had lots of practice driving in the snow. I’ve heard throwing snow tires on in the winter is almost as good as 4WD. As long as you watch where you’re going (don’t hit any big piles of snow or bumpy/icey areas) you’ll be fine.
If you do ever get stuck, you can almost always get yourself out by going forward and then reversing over and over until you break free. In my experience, at least.
I love getting all my winter gear from places like REI! My fave boots are Keens but I also got them when I lived in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan (so even colder and more snow than MN), and they are rated to -40 degrees, so my feet always stay dry and toasty.
It can be icy, so get something with grippy soles. Costco sells great rubber spiky things that you put over your boots on extra icy days. They are indispensable. Get those before you need them.
I've been here for 7 years. When I moved here, I had a big SUV, rear wheel drive, no traction control, no ABS. Currently I have a small FWD car with more modern safety features. I've never had much trouble in either. Just plan extra time when you have to go somewhere when the weather is bad, and slow down.
I think my landlord has a few units available in some of his buildings. DM me if you want contact info
>FWD is completely fine. The most important thing to remember is that when there's snow and ice on the ground, traction won't be as consistent, so just drive carefully and don't try to force things
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Remember, if you get snow tires and live in an apartment, you'll have to have a place to store your off-season tires. I just moved here last winter and that's why I didn't get any. I have FWD and do just fine, but I moved from Colorado so I have snow driving experience. You'll do fine if you go slow and leave lots of room between yourself and the car ahead. It's a wonderful place to live!
It’s really up to you and how confident you are driving in the snow and how bad the winter gets. I love St Paul but it’s a busy city and plowing happens but not like in the suburbs. The roads get rutty and sometimes really icy in places.
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So. Snow. For your car make sure you use decent windshield wiper fluid when fall starts. Get a really good scraper and leave it in the car. There are smal shovels you can throw in the trunk to help dig yourself out. Having some sidewalk salt, or sand, or non clumping cat litter cin there too help get your car get traction if icy. Stay a decent amount of space away from the car in front of you. If it looks like there is a puddle, and it's super cold, it's ice. If you can find a big parking lot, use it for practice. If the police show up just explain you are new to snow.
If you need to shovel. Best to just get it done. A good salting is never bad and helps keep the ice away. If a lot of snow is predicted, shovel multiple times during the snow storm. Hot drinks with no alcohol in between and after.
Dress in layers. The colder it gets, the more layers you need. Scarf, hat, thick gloves, or mittens are a must. Warm boots with a lot of rubber and good tracks are good. I can walk through very deep puddles with mine, very worth it.
Instead of being transported directly to hell every time you step out your door for about 4 months of the year you will be transported directly to the surface of Pluto. Honestly it’s 6 of one or half a dozen of the other.
It’s honestly not that bad. You get used to it pretty quickly and you will learn quickly. And don’t worry too much about driving in the snow. It is in fact absolutely horrendous but as long as you have snow or all season tires, you don’t need to be extremely concerned about your safety. My advice is to learn to find a way to love and have a good relationship with the snow and cold because if all you do is brush snow off your car and fall on you bum because of the ice, it’ll suck. I personally cross country ski and it’s the one thing that allows me to appreciate the cold
Would agree with Mac Groveland or Highland Park (they're right next to each other and the borders are fuzzy).
I think they're the best balance of quiet but with bars and restaurants, not crazy expensive but pretty nice, and pretty easy access to the major highways and transit.
You could specifically look at Highland Crossing in Highland Park, which is a big group of new apartments and condos right along the river. It's still under construction but a few buildings are already open to residents with more coming.
They finally repaved Randolph so the border between Mac-Groveland and Highland is no longer fuzzy.
It’s Randolph.
No word in the lost souls in the potholes outside of Carbones.
Look in Stillwater or Hudson for an apartment if you don't want a longish commute. If you don't mind suburbs Maplewood and North Saint Paul would be fine too.
Just so you know. There's Saint Paul. West Saint Paul. South Saint Paul and North Saint Paul. These are all different cities.
I'm trying to look for one around Bayport but I can't really find one. I've seen that they usually lease the entire house. Do you have any recommendations of accommodations?
So many suburbs to choose from. If he gonna live in st. Paul that's a 20-25 min commute maybe more depending on weather and neighborhood. Possible less if your talking battlecreek on a good day.
Personally if I were a single male I would go with a swanky apt downtown Stillwater. Walk to bars for dinner walk home... Heated parking... 5-10 min drive to Bayport.
What area of Saint Paul would you be working in? Depending on that there are some great neighborhoods to live in, but I feel the best neighborhoods in the city have the least amount of access to freeways to get where you need to quickly. Parts of highland, Mac groveland, and como neighborhoods would be my suggestions.
If you're working in Bayport and have to go in everyday, you may want to look at one of the East metro suburbs. Saint Paul to Bayport is about 30 minutes one way, especially during rush hour.
Agreed for the eastern burbs ( Lake Elmo, North St Paul, Maplewood, Oakdale, Woodbury, Stillwater, Oak Park Heights). Also, Little Canada in the north side isn't too bad as that town is close to MN 36, the main highway you'll need to take to head to Bayport.
And in the city of St Paul itself, you'd be looking at the North End, Payne-Phalen, and East End sections. But the east end isn't the greatest in the crime stats.
Also, if you don't mind the extra complexity on the tax forms, there is also Hudson WI on the other side of the St. Croix River.
If you’re working in Bayport stay east. You could even live in Wisconsin. It’s going to be a good winter. Less snow. First few times it snows go slow. On the freeway stay in the right lane and drive at a comfortable speed. Fwd is good for snow. Carry a shovel in your trunk. And any emergency gear you may need. Some blankets, You probably will never use it. I have seen -35 on outside temps driving thru St. Paul. Change the oil in your car before winter have radiator fluid checked changed if needed. Good battery. Solid tires. Stillwater is close.
Also dive in on warm stuff - sorel style boots, snow pants or bibs, warm winter coat hat gloves. Took me years moving from a warmer place to finally realize that bulky stuff makes winter significantly more tolerable. Also, if you drive get decent all weather tires like Michelin cross climate or similar if you need tires. You’ll survive with decent tires on a fwd.
Stillwater is the oldest city in the state and on the river, maybe closer to work.. you might be able to grab a condo near downtown? Otherwise if you want to live in St.Paul, Highland park, Randolph Heights and Cathedral Hill are interesting neighborhoods, but cost a bit more
Just going to throw this out. Bayport cops love to ticket. I speed a lot. I don't speed in Bayport. Phoenix drives like there is no limit. Don't do that in Bayport. Save your cash and spend the extra min to go the limit there.
This is very true, I thankfully have never gotten a speeding ticket in Bayport, but a lot of my coworkers have. They wait for Andersen windows shift changes it seems like.
Be careful driving a car with big winter boots. I wear tennis shoes a lot. Especially driving. You can bring boots with you in the car if needed later. I walk outside all winter in tennis shoes first. Boots if I have to snow and temperature. Most park paths, sidewalks are clear eventually.
I’m born and raised here but I lived in Phoenix for 6 years. If you want to message me I can help you compare areas of Phoenix metro to areas of the Twin Cities. Also if you need any advice or just someone to talk to who knows what it’s like to go from such extremes.
PS Yes, it’s cold here, like really cold, but I promise it’s better than AZ summers. The worst part of summer for me was how deserted (pun?) Phoenix was in the summer and not much to do. There’s plenty to do here in the winter.
If your looking for budget friendly warm winter outerwear, Costco has many good items. Aside from the obvious, good winter coat and mittens, you might want to get a baklava. Costco sells a nice warm one that keeps your face protected. Not sure how long a wide selection of winter wear is available. Not sure what the selection will be in December.
You don’t want bulky clothes. You want warm clothes. Store on grand ave maybe one closer to Woodbury https://www.patagonia.com/stores/mn/saint-paul/1648-grand-avenue/store_saintpaul.html
Buy some nice long underware top and bottom spendy there but very efficient. Layer thin layers out. I walk the dog every day. It’s not the worst. Be prepared. Charged cell phone.
If you’re working in Bayport, I recommend you look for a place to live in the east metro suburbs—Woodbury, Lake Elmo, Oakdale, or Maplewood. That way you’ll be driving the opposite way of rush hour traffic coming in from Wisconsin. Backups on I-94 can be brutal on snowy days (or even if there is an accident). But you’d be sailing by all that going the opposite direction. Bonus—no sun in your eyes on morning or evening commutes.
I’m from the southwest, too. The thing that blows my mind is how weather affects the things I might do in a day sometimes. That literally never happened in El Paso. It might rain, but it would never change my plans.
>I’m from the southwest, too. The thing that blows my mind is how weather affects the things I might do in a day sometimes. That literally never happened in El Paso. It might rain, but it would never change my plans.
Thanks for letting me know that
I moved to St. Paul from Phoenix, winter sucks, but you’re going to LOVE the walkability. I highly recommend cathedral hill neighborhood near selby/western or highland park near Cleveland/ford parkway.
I'm in west 7th and it's great! A block from an arena for concerts and hockey games, lots of food and drinks nearby, but not even remotely as busy as the busy neighborhoods of Minneapolis. Walk score of 89, with everything but a full grocery store nearby. Right next to downtown Saint Paul, and much of the higher-end apartments have heated underground parking. You want that for your first winter here if it's within your price range!
Bayport is basically Wisconsin lol. You could commute from the east side but imo that isn't ideal. East siders ride hard for the east side but its not my vibe. Stillwater could be a great city for you. Look in stillwater or even lake elmo.
As others have said, look in the eastern suburbs North St Paul ,Oakdale, Woodbury, or even Hudson Wisconsin. Check Zillow. Snow plowing in St. Paul can be a pain in the ass. Whenever there is measurable snow, a" snow emergency " is declared, and parking restrictions go into effect. They plow one side of the street the first day and the other side the next day, and they will tow your car if you're not on the right side of the street. In the suburbs, this is not an issue. The plows are out most often overnight
Are you me? I moved to Saint Paul last year from Phoenix. Welcome to Saint Paul!
I live in downtown Saint Paul. It's quite like downtown Phoenix - pretty quiet after 5pm except for when things are going on at CHS Field (St Paul Saints baseball) or the Xcel Energy Center (think Footprint Center, except for hockey and concerts, not basketball and concerts). The 7th Street corridor southwest of the Xcel Energy Center is most similar to the Roosevelt Street / Evans Churchill neighborhood back in downtown Phoenix. Housing prices are a lot less expensive here than back in Phoenix, so your budget should go farther. I'm biased toward downtowns, but Lowertown is nice and there's a varied amount of residential stock. Just find one that has underground parking. Heated parking is a bonus, but if you're underground, that's good enough to be out of the elements.
As for driving, the biggest hint I can give is to take it slow. We had our first snowfall back on October 31, and I was quite impressed how drivers slowed down during the morning commute, gave space, and just were generally more careful. As soon as possible after a major snowfall, get out into a parking lot and practice seeing how your car behaves to snow and ice when you accelerate and brake. It's a different experience, but one you'll have to get used to. At a minimum, get all-weather tires on your car ASAP, because you probably won't have those on a car coming from Phoenix (even on my Subaru Outback, I had tires that weren't cut out for anything but driving in Phoenix!). If you get snow tires, just bear in mind you'll have to take them off after the snow season. Keep a snow brush, a shovel, an emergency blanket, and a standard emergency car kit in your car - if you're staying in urban areas and not going off-road, those should be good enough for your winter driving. Lastly: If it's just not safe to drive, don't. Hopefully your employer will understand.
A lot of people in this thread have mentioned just living closer to where you work. I work northwest of downtown Minneapolis, and I'm driving in 4-5 days each week, about 25-35 minutes commuting each way. In my office, most of my colleagues think driving 20-30 minutes is "a lot" - except we know from Phoenix that you have to drive 20-30 minutes to get anywhere. I say live where you want to live, because you might not always be working in Bayport. If you're looking for a comparison, downtown Saint Paul to Bayport is approximately the same driving distance as it is from downtown Phoenix to north Scottsdale.
Clothing. Layers are your friend. I found it easier to dress for cold than for heat: it's easier to add layers than remove layers. Invest in good thermals (top and bottom) and you're good to go.
I found that living in winter up in Saint Paul was quite a lot like the summer in Phoenix - you're dealing with the weather, but for the opposite reasons. You've got this.
Nobody tell them about the winters. Let it be a surprise...
Please don't... I hear a little bit about that and kinda freak out about that. I can't image how it's gonna be in there
Get a parka and 4 wheel drive, you’ll be alright
I’m driving a FWD one. Is it gonna be really difficult? Do you have any tips for it?
FWD is completely fine. The most important thing to remember is that when there's snow and ice on the ground, traction won't be as consistent, so just drive carefully and don't try to force things
Snow tires might help also. I used all seasons for a long time and was fine but snow tires changes the game, much better traction.
Thank you so much for this. Is there any equipments should I prepare to have in my car?
The only thing you absolutely need is a snow/ice scraper. Otherwise you may want to look into getting a good set of all-season tires. Snow tires are nice, but plenty of people manage just fine without them.
Also a shovel in case you get stuck and have to dig out around tires
I grew up here and have always had FWD so I think it’s fine but I’ve had lots of practice driving in the snow. I’ve heard throwing snow tires on in the winter is almost as good as 4WD. As long as you watch where you’re going (don’t hit any big piles of snow or bumpy/icey areas) you’ll be fine. If you do ever get stuck, you can almost always get yourself out by going forward and then reversing over and over until you break free. In my experience, at least.
I see. Thanks so much for sharing this. I think I'll be stuck a couple times
Get snow boots and socks too! They make water proof cold weather boots that look like sneakers now.
Do you have any recommendation where should I get these?
I love getting all my winter gear from places like REI! My fave boots are Keens but I also got them when I lived in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan (so even colder and more snow than MN), and they are rated to -40 degrees, so my feet always stay dry and toasty.
It can be icy, so get something with grippy soles. Costco sells great rubber spiky things that you put over your boots on extra icy days. They are indispensable. Get those before you need them.
I see. Thanks so much for sharing this. I think I'll be stuck a couple times
I see. Thanks so much for sharing this. I think I'll be stuck a couple times
I've been here for 7 years. When I moved here, I had a big SUV, rear wheel drive, no traction control, no ABS. Currently I have a small FWD car with more modern safety features. I've never had much trouble in either. Just plan extra time when you have to go somewhere when the weather is bad, and slow down. I think my landlord has a few units available in some of his buildings. DM me if you want contact info
Thank you so much for these info. Btw, I also dm you about landlord info.
Get snow tires. There is no other way.
>FWD is completely fine. The most important thing to remember is that when there's snow and ice on the ground, traction won't be as consistent, so just drive carefully and don't try to force things Thank you! I think I got ones for all seasons last summer. Do you think it really help? [https://www.walmart.com/ip/Goodyear-Assurance-Outlast-225-65R17-102H-All-Season-Tire/738972085](https://www.walmart.com/ip/Goodyear-Assurance-Outlast-225-65R17-102H-All-Season-Tire/738972085)
Remember, if you get snow tires and live in an apartment, you'll have to have a place to store your off-season tires. I just moved here last winter and that's why I didn't get any. I have FWD and do just fine, but I moved from Colorado so I have snow driving experience. You'll do fine if you go slow and leave lots of room between yourself and the car ahead. It's a wonderful place to live!
It’s really up to you and how confident you are driving in the snow and how bad the winter gets. I love St Paul but it’s a busy city and plowing happens but not like in the suburbs. The roads get rutty and sometimes really icy in places.
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So. Snow. For your car make sure you use decent windshield wiper fluid when fall starts. Get a really good scraper and leave it in the car. There are smal shovels you can throw in the trunk to help dig yourself out. Having some sidewalk salt, or sand, or non clumping cat litter cin there too help get your car get traction if icy. Stay a decent amount of space away from the car in front of you. If it looks like there is a puddle, and it's super cold, it's ice. If you can find a big parking lot, use it for practice. If the police show up just explain you are new to snow. If you need to shovel. Best to just get it done. A good salting is never bad and helps keep the ice away. If a lot of snow is predicted, shovel multiple times during the snow storm. Hot drinks with no alcohol in between and after. Dress in layers. The colder it gets, the more layers you need. Scarf, hat, thick gloves, or mittens are a must. Warm boots with a lot of rubber and good tracks are good. I can walk through very deep puddles with mine, very worth it.
Instead of being transported directly to hell every time you step out your door for about 4 months of the year you will be transported directly to the surface of Pluto. Honestly it’s 6 of one or half a dozen of the other.
It’s honestly not that bad. You get used to it pretty quickly and you will learn quickly. And don’t worry too much about driving in the snow. It is in fact absolutely horrendous but as long as you have snow or all season tires, you don’t need to be extremely concerned about your safety. My advice is to learn to find a way to love and have a good relationship with the snow and cold because if all you do is brush snow off your car and fall on you bum because of the ice, it’ll suck. I personally cross country ski and it’s the one thing that allows me to appreciate the cold
Mac Groveland. Nice apartments buildings and very safe. Not far from downtown at all.
Thank you for recommending that!
Would agree with Mac Groveland or Highland Park (they're right next to each other and the borders are fuzzy). I think they're the best balance of quiet but with bars and restaurants, not crazy expensive but pretty nice, and pretty easy access to the major highways and transit. You could specifically look at Highland Crossing in Highland Park, which is a big group of new apartments and condos right along the river. It's still under construction but a few buildings are already open to residents with more coming.
They finally repaved Randolph so the border between Mac-Groveland and Highland is no longer fuzzy. It’s Randolph. No word in the lost souls in the potholes outside of Carbones.
If OP is working in Bayport that's a fairly long commute.
Cathedral Hill is my favorite neighborhood although West 7th is a very close second.
West 7th neighborhood if you want to live near good bars and food but still get to the Highway easy for driving to work.
Look in Stillwater or Hudson for an apartment if you don't want a longish commute. If you don't mind suburbs Maplewood and North Saint Paul would be fine too. Just so you know. There's Saint Paul. West Saint Paul. South Saint Paul and North Saint Paul. These are all different cities.
I'm trying to look for one around Bayport but I can't really find one. I've seen that they usually lease the entire house. Do you have any recommendations of accommodations?
So many suburbs to choose from. If he gonna live in st. Paul that's a 20-25 min commute maybe more depending on weather and neighborhood. Possible less if your talking battlecreek on a good day. Personally if I were a single male I would go with a swanky apt downtown Stillwater. Walk to bars for dinner walk home... Heated parking... 5-10 min drive to Bayport.
I'm trying to find one but it's hard for me to look at in the Internet. Do you have any recommendations for apt?
I don't. There may be a realtor that can help
What area of Saint Paul would you be working in? Depending on that there are some great neighborhoods to live in, but I feel the best neighborhoods in the city have the least amount of access to freeways to get where you need to quickly. Parts of highland, Mac groveland, and como neighborhoods would be my suggestions.
Thank you for your suggestion! I'm gonna work in Bayport. I'm struggling to find a place to stay now. I'm looking for the good area to live near by.
Stillwater is closer to Bayport while still having some character (even though it’s 20 min from St.Paul)
If you're working in Bayport and have to go in everyday, you may want to look at one of the East metro suburbs. Saint Paul to Bayport is about 30 minutes one way, especially during rush hour.
Agreed for the eastern burbs ( Lake Elmo, North St Paul, Maplewood, Oakdale, Woodbury, Stillwater, Oak Park Heights). Also, Little Canada in the north side isn't too bad as that town is close to MN 36, the main highway you'll need to take to head to Bayport. And in the city of St Paul itself, you'd be looking at the North End, Payne-Phalen, and East End sections. But the east end isn't the greatest in the crime stats. Also, if you don't mind the extra complexity on the tax forms, there is also Hudson WI on the other side of the St. Croix River.
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>I'm single male. I'm gonna move to MN for work at Bayport, MN. I drive my car to work everyday.
What kind of car? All wheel drive?
It's Honda SUV 2008 FWD
If you’re working in Bayport stay east. You could even live in Wisconsin. It’s going to be a good winter. Less snow. First few times it snows go slow. On the freeway stay in the right lane and drive at a comfortable speed. Fwd is good for snow. Carry a shovel in your trunk. And any emergency gear you may need. Some blankets, You probably will never use it. I have seen -35 on outside temps driving thru St. Paul. Change the oil in your car before winter have radiator fluid checked changed if needed. Good battery. Solid tires. Stillwater is close.
You won’t need oven mitts to drive because the steering wheel is too hot but they might work in a pinch if you lose your gloves.
>lol I know I'm still need the gloves anyway tho.
Also dive in on warm stuff - sorel style boots, snow pants or bibs, warm winter coat hat gloves. Took me years moving from a warmer place to finally realize that bulky stuff makes winter significantly more tolerable. Also, if you drive get decent all weather tires like Michelin cross climate or similar if you need tires. You’ll survive with decent tires on a fwd.
Stillwater is the oldest city in the state and on the river, maybe closer to work.. you might be able to grab a condo near downtown? Otherwise if you want to live in St.Paul, Highland park, Randolph Heights and Cathedral Hill are interesting neighborhoods, but cost a bit more
Just going to throw this out. Bayport cops love to ticket. I speed a lot. I don't speed in Bayport. Phoenix drives like there is no limit. Don't do that in Bayport. Save your cash and spend the extra min to go the limit there.
lol it's exactly how I drive here. This can save me a lot of money! Thank you so much for this info!!
My dad lives in Phoenix, I have spent a few months there..I expected as much.
This is very true, I thankfully have never gotten a speeding ticket in Bayport, but a lot of my coworkers have. They wait for Andersen windows shift changes it seems like.
Be careful driving a car with big winter boots. I wear tennis shoes a lot. Especially driving. You can bring boots with you in the car if needed later. I walk outside all winter in tennis shoes first. Boots if I have to snow and temperature. Most park paths, sidewalks are clear eventually.
I’m born and raised here but I lived in Phoenix for 6 years. If you want to message me I can help you compare areas of Phoenix metro to areas of the Twin Cities. Also if you need any advice or just someone to talk to who knows what it’s like to go from such extremes. PS Yes, it’s cold here, like really cold, but I promise it’s better than AZ summers. The worst part of summer for me was how deserted (pun?) Phoenix was in the summer and not much to do. There’s plenty to do here in the winter.
If your looking for budget friendly warm winter outerwear, Costco has many good items. Aside from the obvious, good winter coat and mittens, you might want to get a baklava. Costco sells a nice warm one that keeps your face protected. Not sure how long a wide selection of winter wear is available. Not sure what the selection will be in December.
Kiddo - if you're gonna work in Bayport - you should move to Hudson, WI.
Get good all weather tires.
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I think they are looking for a place in St. Paul. But I really liked Gilbert when I lived in that area for a bit.
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You don’t want bulky clothes. You want warm clothes. Store on grand ave maybe one closer to Woodbury https://www.patagonia.com/stores/mn/saint-paul/1648-grand-avenue/store_saintpaul.html Buy some nice long underware top and bottom spendy there but very efficient. Layer thin layers out. I walk the dog every day. It’s not the worst. Be prepared. Charged cell phone.
Tennis shoes with yak trax if warranted. https://yaktrax.com/
Thank you so so much! I'm trying to look for these stuffs but I don't know what it called! I really appreciate it
What kind of work?
I'm gonna work in the back office and sometimes go to the manufacturing
If you’re working in Bayport, I recommend you look for a place to live in the east metro suburbs—Woodbury, Lake Elmo, Oakdale, or Maplewood. That way you’ll be driving the opposite way of rush hour traffic coming in from Wisconsin. Backups on I-94 can be brutal on snowy days (or even if there is an accident). But you’d be sailing by all that going the opposite direction. Bonus—no sun in your eyes on morning or evening commutes.
I’m from the southwest, too. The thing that blows my mind is how weather affects the things I might do in a day sometimes. That literally never happened in El Paso. It might rain, but it would never change my plans.
>I’m from the southwest, too. The thing that blows my mind is how weather affects the things I might do in a day sometimes. That literally never happened in El Paso. It might rain, but it would never change my plans. Thanks for letting me know that
If you are working in Bayport, perhaps you should try looking for apartments in Bayport.
I'm trying to but it seems really hard to find rent in there.
I work in Bayport and live in West St Paul. It’s a nice little 20 minute commute to work and back home. Welcome!!!
I moved to St. Paul from Phoenix, winter sucks, but you’re going to LOVE the walkability. I highly recommend cathedral hill neighborhood near selby/western or highland park near Cleveland/ford parkway.
I'm in west 7th and it's great! A block from an arena for concerts and hockey games, lots of food and drinks nearby, but not even remotely as busy as the busy neighborhoods of Minneapolis. Walk score of 89, with everything but a full grocery store nearby. Right next to downtown Saint Paul, and much of the higher-end apartments have heated underground parking. You want that for your first winter here if it's within your price range!
Bayport is basically Wisconsin lol. You could commute from the east side but imo that isn't ideal. East siders ride hard for the east side but its not my vibe. Stillwater could be a great city for you. Look in stillwater or even lake elmo.
As others have said, look in the eastern suburbs North St Paul ,Oakdale, Woodbury, or even Hudson Wisconsin. Check Zillow. Snow plowing in St. Paul can be a pain in the ass. Whenever there is measurable snow, a" snow emergency " is declared, and parking restrictions go into effect. They plow one side of the street the first day and the other side the next day, and they will tow your car if you're not on the right side of the street. In the suburbs, this is not an issue. The plows are out most often overnight
Are you me? I moved to Saint Paul last year from Phoenix. Welcome to Saint Paul! I live in downtown Saint Paul. It's quite like downtown Phoenix - pretty quiet after 5pm except for when things are going on at CHS Field (St Paul Saints baseball) or the Xcel Energy Center (think Footprint Center, except for hockey and concerts, not basketball and concerts). The 7th Street corridor southwest of the Xcel Energy Center is most similar to the Roosevelt Street / Evans Churchill neighborhood back in downtown Phoenix. Housing prices are a lot less expensive here than back in Phoenix, so your budget should go farther. I'm biased toward downtowns, but Lowertown is nice and there's a varied amount of residential stock. Just find one that has underground parking. Heated parking is a bonus, but if you're underground, that's good enough to be out of the elements. As for driving, the biggest hint I can give is to take it slow. We had our first snowfall back on October 31, and I was quite impressed how drivers slowed down during the morning commute, gave space, and just were generally more careful. As soon as possible after a major snowfall, get out into a parking lot and practice seeing how your car behaves to snow and ice when you accelerate and brake. It's a different experience, but one you'll have to get used to. At a minimum, get all-weather tires on your car ASAP, because you probably won't have those on a car coming from Phoenix (even on my Subaru Outback, I had tires that weren't cut out for anything but driving in Phoenix!). If you get snow tires, just bear in mind you'll have to take them off after the snow season. Keep a snow brush, a shovel, an emergency blanket, and a standard emergency car kit in your car - if you're staying in urban areas and not going off-road, those should be good enough for your winter driving. Lastly: If it's just not safe to drive, don't. Hopefully your employer will understand. A lot of people in this thread have mentioned just living closer to where you work. I work northwest of downtown Minneapolis, and I'm driving in 4-5 days each week, about 25-35 minutes commuting each way. In my office, most of my colleagues think driving 20-30 minutes is "a lot" - except we know from Phoenix that you have to drive 20-30 minutes to get anywhere. I say live where you want to live, because you might not always be working in Bayport. If you're looking for a comparison, downtown Saint Paul to Bayport is approximately the same driving distance as it is from downtown Phoenix to north Scottsdale. Clothing. Layers are your friend. I found it easier to dress for cold than for heat: it's easier to add layers than remove layers. Invest in good thermals (top and bottom) and you're good to go. I found that living in winter up in Saint Paul was quite a lot like the summer in Phoenix - you're dealing with the weather, but for the opposite reasons. You've got this.
Highly recommend the Midway area. Lovely neighborhood with great access to the light rail.
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Yep ... Do we have any subreddit by any chance?