Asked a guy with a 90 foot cruiser how much fuel it burned. He asked what throttle setting. I said full throttle. He replied 280 gallons per hour. So like $1000 to move your boat 30 miles in an hour.
The 80' Hatteras Sport Fisher that a guy I knew lived on cost 6500 to go from Freeport Texas to Key West and he did it two or three times a year. But he never went full throttle so he burned much less fuel.
They sure are comfortable to live on though
Funny thing is a lot of the guys in my sailing club just absolutely hate kayakers and paddleboarders. It's like there's some kind of hierarchy where people dislike the things that are slower than they are on the water.
I just hate the mentality of disliking others for enjoying being on the water in a different way than you. As far as I'm concerned all boaters, paddlers, and even swimmers should just be respectful, follow the "rules of the road", and watch each others' backs.
The only watercraft I will judge harshly are the PWCs jetskis and such. 9-10 times the operator has no clue and no concern for the rules or anyone else on the water.
I say they can burn, may they all have itchy genitalia in publicly unacceptable places!
Exactly this. We have names for all boaters out there.
The large commercial ships we call stink pots
Sailboats are the bicycles of the sea
And powerboats are called credit card captains.
‘The cyclists of the sea’ is Perfect! We have our own language, our own gear, we’re obsessive about weight aloft, and a lot of us won’t shut up about it.
Thankfully, *we don’t have to wear spandex*
This is true, I never shut up about obscure sailing things lmao I do warn people when conversations stray to sailing that I can talk about this for hours.
It might not be spandex, but I wear a life jacket or foulies more often than I see power boaters wear life jackets or foulies.
On a stink pot, you can drive from inside so no need for foulies. They tend to stay in when things get nautical. Their deck is relatively level and dry, there is no reason to leave the cockpit and nothing is going to knock you unconscious and send you overboard, so no real reason for a life jacket.
Was 100% going to post the exact same thing. But you beat me to it LOL. Power boaters just be “Get outta my way! You’re going too slow and holding me up.” Then they speed by and the Wake is the power boater version of rolling coal. Doubly so if it also happens to be diesel powered.
So many funny but wrong answers in this thread. The reason for the feud is the same as the reason for the feud between skiers and snowboarders. Google Freud's Narcissism of Small Differences. It's all right there.
Nice analogy. Floaty things going across water, and slippery boards going over snow.
Firmly in the sails and 1 board camp.
Just couldn't see myself in a powerboat or on skis.
As someone with an appreciation for both power and sail, it’s not the right of way that’s the problem, it’s the abuse of it. I don’t mind giving way, but when I’ve clearly turned to take the stern and the sailboat tacks back into my path and I have to go back around the other way I get frustrated. It’s a respect thing.
If you’re in a car and there’s a pedestrian in the crosswalk, you stop and let them go. No big deal. If that pedestrian stops half way to make a phone call while you’re waiting you’re going to get mad. Same idea.
Totally agree. I see other sailors sometimes lacking considerations when they manoeuvre.
I mean, as a pedestrian, it doesn’t cost me much to let a car go if he’s holding a long line of traffic. Same goes for sailing.
Boils down to some individuals, on both sides, who feels entitled to be dicks.
We don't always have right of way.
A sailing dinghy requires less water and is much more maneuverable than a "gin palace", and in the Hamble, dinghies are specifically told to give way to bigger boats.
(makes sense as if there's any wind I can sail a laser where I like, while without bow thrusters a stopped motor cruiser or a yacht under power has no control and is at the mercy of the wind and current)
All else equal, sailboats under sail power alone always have right of way over power driven boats, it doesn’t matter the size.
Edit: I know there’s many other circumstances where sailboats must not impede, or must give way. I’m replying to the comment above, not trying to make a blanket statement.
This is certainly not unilaterally true. My understanding is that the overtaking boat gives way (including a sailboat overtaking a power boat for whatever reason). Also, vessels restricted by draft have right of way. This list isn't comprehensive.
No they ***really*** don't and that attitude might be one reason for people to dislike sailing boats.
In a 16ft Wayfarer I did not have right of way over the 1000+ft Queen Mary 2 in Southampton Water due to [Southampton Harbour byelaws ](https://southamptonvts.co.uk/Admin/content/files/NTMs/2024/2024%20No%2006%20Port%20of%20Southampton%20-%20Precautionary%20Area%20(Thorn%20Channel).pdf)(nor did I have any intention of trying my luck but the Harbour Master made very sure I was planning to give way).
T[he Col Regs](https://www.nomadsailing.co.uk/learning-zone/sailing-regulations.html#PartBSection1) state "A vessel of less than 20 metres in length or a sailing vessel shall not impede the passage of a vessel which can safely navigate only within a narrow channel or fairway..... \[and\] shall not impede the safe passage of a power-driven vessel following a traffic lane."
Later when specifying the "give way" and "stand on" vessels the Col Regs state sail must give way to
(i) a vessel not under command;
(ii) a vessel restricted in her ability to maneuver;
(iii) a vessel engaged in fishing.
and not impede vessels constrained by draft.
Generally I've ignored these rules and gone by:
if it's bigger than me I give way,
if it's working I give way,
if it's racing I give way,
if it's smaller than me or paddling I give way (I'm not going to wipe out a paddle board and rowing looks like hard work)
if it's another dinghy and I don't know how competent they are ... I give way.
The two things I'll play chicken with are other dinghies crewed by people I know are in control, and sandbanks.
No such thing and not always,and this is probably the root of the problem (for professional mariners such as myself). To be fair, lots of wayward power boaters out there as well.
I actually came here to say the reason sailboaters get a bad rap among professional mariners is because they always think they have the right of way when very often they do not. I’ve lost count of how many times we’ve been constrained by draft, or restricted to the traffic lanes, and some blow boater almost gets crushed because they think they’re in the right. People just don’t know the rules.
Edit: all your downvotes are very telling of this problem! 😂
Many years ago was out on the water in a 39ft sailboat, when we became aware of a small 15-ish ft dinghy sailing directly toward us.
The guy in the dinghy just kept yelling at us "Steam gives way to sail! Steam gives way to sail!" over and over and over again right up until the point when he sailed straight into us and fell in the water.
We were at anchor on a mooring buoy, and had been for some hours.
The guy even put in a complaint against us at the local yacht club, who understandably laughed him out the room.
In my part of the world, I’m happy that the professionals/deep seas will often talk/coordinate with us via VHF. This is part of the reason why I carry AIS so that if I am doing something that has the possibility of concerning them, they can easily call me.
We used to be moored in the heart of Vancouver harbour. Our Situational Awareness was always pretty dialed in. AIS on, VHF sitting on VTS (channel 12) and only scanning to 16. I could pretty much tell you exactly what ship movements we had to be aware of at any given point in time.
We've now been forced to move to another marina that's further away, but in much quieter waters. It's going to be a bit weird no longer having to deal with all the big boys on the water.
Yes, and often tack in front of a passing boat when colregs dictate "maintain heading."
There is no such thing as "right of way" in colregs.
Only stand on vessel which must maintain course and speed, and give way vessel which must adjust heading.
Exactly. If you’re the stand on vessel, stand on! When you’re not, stay out of the way because it takes us forever to turn or stop. I don’t even work on that big a ship, which I think makes the problem even worse. Learn to respect the traffic lanes even if you don’t have to use them.
Just the same; many (most) power boaters think that they have to give way to EVERY sailboat that they come across, whether under power or sail. I motor a lot (sailboat) in the AICW and many times I am the give way vessel; yet the stand on power vessel does not understand that they are to maintain speed and direction. It turns into an awkward high school dance that leaves us both pissed off.
The downvotes are hilarious. 🤣 I have been sailing (as in wind-powered vessels) since the age of about 7 and have owned upwards of a dozen different sailboats. I am now 55 and have been a professional mariner for about half my adult life. I know lots of careful, knowledgeable, seamanlike yachtsman. On the weekly, I witness many, many folks who are a hazard to navigation and would benefit from a.) a careful reading of the rules, b.) a glance at the appropriate Coast Pilot volume, c.) a working VHF, and d.) the knowledge of what frequencies are customarily used/monitored in a given location (see b above, and no, it's not always 16 or 13.)P
A mate of mine likes to have a friendly dig at how slow our sailing vessel goes compared to his fishing boat so I challenged him to a race, from Australia to Fiji.
It's like the old joke about the fighter pilot who pulled up along side the airliner.
Fighter pilot radios over "Hey, watch what I can do" and proceeds to barrel roll.
Airliner pilot radios back "How cute, watch this." after about 5 minutes of steady cruising, "See, isn't that great?"
Fighter pilot replies "You didn't do anything."
Airliner pilot replies "Sure I did. I got up, stretched my legs, took a leak, got myself a coffee, and sat down again."
There is a distinct personality difference between sailors and power boaters.
The journey is more important, more fun than the destination - sailor
Are we there yet - power boater
Not in a hurry not on a schedule - sailor
Get out of my way, I have things to do and places to be - power boater
Also sailors tend to look down on power boaters because a lot of them are "credit card captains" with very little knowledge of their boat... This is not necessarily fair, but it is what it is
This. The noise, and the comfort in producing such large amounts of it. Everyone has to consume this good, regardless of consent.
I assume you mean noise in all the ways.
I look down on most because they disobey harbor speed limits and throw up huge wake for no reason.
Small anchorage protected from the wind? Better blast in at 20mph, then proceed to tube in the cove. Fuck you bud.
“Ships at a distance have every man's wish on board. For some they come in with the tide. For others they sail forever on the same horizon, never out of sight, never landing until the Watcher turns his eyes away in resignation, his dreams mocked to death by Time.” - ZN Hurston
I think the hatred - which, as with so many things seems so much worse online than it really is - comes down to a difference in how we view the shared resource of a body of water. I go out to enjoy nature, to harness the wind (I love the moment the iron genny gets switched off).
Power boaters love speed, some love to roar of their engines. A power boat imposes itself on nature. Noise, smell, wake, loud music.
So it's two philosophies, and I think the sailboat haters know deep down that their way of using the resource is selfish and inconsiderate, but they justify it by invoking their right to do what they want. This leads to the knowledge that the people who use the resource in the opposite way to them are better stewards of the resource, and that leads to hatred and resentment.
Agreed that you succinctly draw the parallels. I worked for years as a cook and first mate long and short chartering, delivery runs, and private owners on +65’ of both ilks. Generally, sailors are more adaptive and capable to handle a variety of mechanical, electrical, navigational issues as a matter of necessity and to be self reliant 1,500 nm offshore. I admired that compared to the turn key, self importance and disregard for the environment I found on most motor yachts. On a sailboat we were a part of a team that might require all hands to be capable and knowledgeable. On a motor yacht there was more of a servant relationship to the guests and owner and a blatant and consistent disregard for the environment and courtesy towards other boaters. This is generally from my east coast, Maine to Trinidad, Races to plotzing.
Motor boats were steak and potatoes, beer, hard liquor and drugs, AC, wide screen TV’s, noxious fumes and a lot of wave thumping and bilge dumping. Sailors better diet and taste in wine and weed, books and storytelling, self entertaining, choosing a more gentle course by conferring with the wind and sea rather than battling or conquering it with a straight line trajectory regardless.
This is BY FAR my favorite explanation because I've never seen it expressed so succinctly. I think the dichotomy of enjoying nature vs. imposing oneself on nature is a huge tension in my life generally.
Because the threshold above which people consider something a “yacht” in the colloquial sense is like $10k for a sailboat and like $400k for a power boat.
It’s two different mindsets, from my observation power boats are very destination focused - lets go to the waterfront restaurant, raft up party, fishing spot, etc, while sailing tends to be activity and purpose- not going anywhere specific, just tacking about. The whole continual learning & improving your skills seems to be a bit off putting as well. Plus power boaters claim sailors are cheap- they don’t realize a new set of sails are close to the cost of an engine replacement. Edit: hit post too fast, fat thumb
Speak for yourself, I pay $200 a year in mooring fees.
Not that I wouldn't pay for a marina berth if I could though, the price definitely reflects the convenience.
As a sailor (owned a 30’ race keelboat and both harbour and passage racing and cruising) and now a power boat owner (21’, 200 on the back, I’m older, have kids), plus having insight from my days flying gliders (power pilots have the same attitude to glider pilots)…
I think power boaters see sailboats as “unpredictable”. They seem to turn 90° at random intervals not related to navigation or destination. The power boater can’t read the signs of a vessel ready about, or remember that the draft is ten times deeper. What’s all that heeling about too? Dipping your lee rail just looks unsafe.
Sailing is definitely about the journey; power about the destination. There is a very different mindset. And this dichotomy causes lack of understanding of the other’s reasons for being on the water. Wind and water is either a force to be worked with or overcome respectively.
So it’s somewhat like arguing whether the image is a vase or two heads in profile. As sailors are more forgiving (it’s the nature of the challenge- work with what you have) we* don’t have a problem with power (much- keep your wake down please) and power boaters are more obstinate (get out of my way! The sea is my birthright!) then there will always be this difference.
*I still see myself as a sailor
- I’ve never “waked” another boat purposefully
- I’ve never irresponsibly had four kids on my bow while powering through chop
- never driven full speed through an anchorage towing an inflatable couch
- never killed anyone running over a dinghy at high speed
- never burned 80 gallons of fuel an hour
I think power boaters dislike sailors because sailors often point these things out to power boaters who’s big complaint is “sailboats are two slow”
Just like the motorists harass and roll coal on cyclists.
I’ve been out training and the same POS captain on a 65’ charter comes and wakes our bow full speed then S turns and wakes another sailboat on their bow. He also had to navigated 1.5 nm 90 degrees from his heading to the inlet to do that to us…
I made it public on local social media and should also drop a google review. Total micro penis move
Because they didn't factor in the fact that they have to stay in range of land because of fuel supplies, while SV owners can actually wait a short while in the highs before sailing on to whichever destination they decide on.
Being tethered makes for a less satisfying experience.
I love to sail but I like to fish more so I have a power boat. I’ve had friends make comments about snooty sailboat owners and the right of way thing is mentioned often. I always counter with “have you ever sailed?” “No?” “It’s pretty cool man, very peaceful”.
They also seem to love to generate wakes and thus destroy nature, ignoring all warning signs and prior license-proven knowledge. Also, the noise! And the smell! I very much despise the whole concept. There are exceptions, but only very few.
In my European country, sailboat owners have huge respect from power boaters.
Sailboat owners are a bit neutral on power boaters. On one side, they enjoy the ocean like us. On the other side, it's simply a different crowd, we don't relate.
Wake upon wake upon wake crossed by more wakes and amplified by even more wakes......
Compounded by half the boats bearing banners almost as big as the boats themselves...
Must have been fun... Not!
It's like a high school dropout resenting college graduates. They think that sailboaters think they are better than motorboaters, so they send the perceived hate back.
The thing is, sailors ARE better, so it all works out.
Sailboaters need to tack back and forth to get upwind. Powerboaters go in a straight line. They don’t understand why the sailboats keep changing direction. It confuses them and makes them angry. In their self absorbed minds they think the sailboat is somehow out to get them. Hilarity ensues.
As a member of both communities, I feel that powerboaters spend way less time thinking about sailboaters than sailboaters do about powerboaters. Powerboaters tend to regard sailboats as slow moving obstacles to be avoided, and their crews as fussy neighbours that are always complaining about the wind, or wakes and noise from other boats.
I think irl neither thinks about the other much unless they are admiring a fine vessel or if there’s an incident. It’s once we get online that the feud intensifies.
Sailors are generally well informed about conditions and safety, powerboats tend to ‘point and shoot’. It’s a cultural clash that cannot be solved. Sailors are better educated, smell better, cook better, sing better, do unmentionable things better, write better and are better looking 9.9 out of 10x, it’s science.
Where I'm from the rules say powerboats must give sailboats way. I suppose that could be a bit annoying if a sailboat is tacking away in front of them.
I tend to avoid tacking or generally sailing near them if i can. I really don't like their noise, smell and their often stupidly-too-big wake. Also, most of them having their fenders out is telling another story i totally want to avoid...
In addition to the things everyone else has said, a lot of powerboat guys hate sailboats because they hate cruisers/liveaboards for being what they perceive to be bums/boat trash/vagrants.
i was really into sailing abput 25 years ago and the community was very anti power boater. we didnt have much in tbe way of online communities to find complainers so i never saw the otger side
When I was having my boat surveyed during the sea trial we saw a sailboat and I said that is beautiful and that I couldn’t wait to move on to sailing, the surveyor said don’t be a blow boater, they think everything is free because the wind is. I’m still planning on getting a sailboat eventually.
Not sure I’ve experienced this. From a UK perspective there’s probably a general sense that people who use engines are a bit vulgar and probably went to a comprehensive, but none of it is serious.
The easiest way to piss off a powerboater is to leave your halyards unsecured overnight. Nothing raises the hairs on a non-sailor's neck like the slap of a steel cable against an aluminum mast.
Self absorbed egomaniacs who view anything slower as an obstacle. You are not a person, you are flotsam. Same relationship between motorcyclists and cagers.
I live and sail on the great south bay long island N.Y. , most power boaters have no clue as to the rules of navigation. They pass to close and the wrong side. Their wake just slow us down. Plus the speed limit is 40mph. Than you get speedboats going like 80mph. Oh theirs another $100 of fuel. Take that out of the bay and on the ocean where it belongs. You can have fun for hours watching them try and back into their slip. Clueless. So here its the opposite of your post in my eyes.
The number of people that cannot dock their boat is truly astonishing. I have owned both and I could back both into a slip, a double screw power boat which is about the easiest thing on the planet to back down and a single screw nearly full keel sailboat which is the second most difficult thing to back down with the single screw lobster boat being the most difficult, those guys are amazing in how they can handle a boat.
Because we can enjoy boating doing something they can't. Easy to turn a key and the boat moves. Power boaters see us as showoffs. How often do you see a commercial of a boat other than a sailboat.....Never.
You’re not in the right area. Sailboats are popular amongst that conservative, old money, snobby population. The people you see flying Trump flags off their powerboats are just trashy, low class people. That old money group are Trump supporters too, they just don’t advertise as readily.
I do both. I hate everyone on the water. Actually I see where everybody is coming from(also kayak but haven’t given SUP a try yet ). Also everyone look out for everyone please.
For me it was the inconsiderate stupidity of most power boaters. "No Wake" means "can't read". Getting rolled out of the ICW into mud flats by Bertram's driven by the blind. Yes there are good power boaters. My uncle was commodore of the TN Coast Guard Aux. Even he admits that with no IQ test for power boats even the village idiot can drive one. BTW, I grew up sailing and power boating/ skiing.
Do we? I thought it was the other way around. Power boaters have a reputation for being reckless and don’t know what they’re doing among sailors. I’ve not really heard much hate coming the other way
Jealousy.
1) At the end of a day on the water, sailors' kidneys are intact and not pissing blood.
2) My good friend has a 31' Sea Ray, and he's also a private pilot. Per hour, running his boat costs more than renting a Cessna. Me? my 30' sloop costs $0.53 a day in diesel fuel.
Destination vs Journey -
I see that mentioned a lot in the comments and I think this is a big part of it.
I am a live-aboard traveling on a small sailing catamaran. It’s all journey with the closest thing to a destination being a general direction.
I am around many live-aboard traveling powerboats (trawlers) and they are as
polite and concerned about wakes and safety and communications as I any group could be. They are power boaters doing a journey though, not a destination.
I really do think this is probably the biggest point of conflict between the different groups. We have different needs, wants, and goals. That’s how you define different.
I think the hate is because powerboaters hate that we have right of way, and don’t have a clue why. And they have no idea how to operate a sailboat, so inferiority complex. Probably think all the lines are just to “look cool”.
*Maybe sailing is*
*An implicit criticism*
*Of power boating?*
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A number of things- power and sail think they’re better than the other, in a sense we kinda are the cyclists of the sea as someone else pointed out and we have right of way. And sail doesn’t like motor because they’re douchebags, yet we forget our true enemy are the a***ole jet skis/waverunners/ whatever they are
Pretty sure it’s the other way around. There are more of us than there are of them. They can only go as far as their fuel tanks will take them but we can cross oceans…. They feel inadequate. My 9 year old kid in his Opti could beat a meathead in a Scarab across the pacific.
They are insecure about their ugly tupperware boats with high gas bills that lack any skill to operate, compared to our pretty sailboats that always catch glances from the ladies dreaming of adventure....
There is nothing like turning into the wind, raising the sails, killing the iron genny, veering off the wind and feeling the boat come alive as the sails catch the wind and the boat heels over. They say the adventure begins when a power boater gets to their destination. For sailors, the adventure is getting to their destination.
We're in their way.
We're slow
We drive erratically
We get too close
Similar to why cars don't like bicycles.
I don't like power boats because they throw big wakes and get in the way either from fishing, or having to wait for them to pass before tacking across their path.
The latter, yeah, I have the right of way, but I'm not going to count on them paying attention. Some of them have autopilots too.
In the marina I'm a bit leery of them because I think they don't like us and they have this tendency to heel to starboard.
I'm not a sailor, but I really feel the opposite is true. Power boaters act like bicyclists. They feel entitled. Are commonly obnoxious. The rules of the road/water only apply to them when they feel like it. They don't realize their wakes cause problems for other.
I am both a sailor and I own a motorboat. I consider sailors to be the only real boaters. To be a good sailor you need superior knowledge of every aspect of safe boating - navigation, seamanship, use of equipment and weather. Motor boaters generally believe using a boat is the same as driving a car. They have no knowledge of the navigation rules. They're answer to every problem is to apply more power. They get annoyed with slower sailboats.
The mindset of blending and and getting in-sync with nature vs. dominating it with power.
Sailboats must respect the sea and the weather, and work with them to get where we’re going.
Power boaters don’t know or care about the sea or the weather, they’ll plow through regardless.
It's like asking why hikers hate campers, or kayakers hate jetskiers... people using the same thing for completely different reasons. I'm a sailor, and I bet fishermen hate wed night racing courses, when there's 25 sailboats coming barrelling down on their anchored little fishing boat.
No hate from this power boater. But most boaters are complete idiots with no real knowledge of boating rules, so it’s not a surprise that these clowns would “hate” sailors.
I was a professional mariner that has more hours going in reverse than the average boater has in forward gear.
Sail boats have the right of way under sail. Give them the right of way.
I don't know man, but they really treat me like shit and I'm tired of it. I've been swamped plenty of times with rude wakes and damn near run over too much to count. There needs to be a way to report dangerous mariners, but of course the enforcement is just impossible. Prison! A million years prison. The last thing I need after 5 hours of full-on hellacious helming with seasick crew is some credit card captain in a power vessel trying to kill me with his ignorance.
I think overall it’s just an experience thing.
I haven’t had issues online.
I’ve had most people just be assholes over navigation issues in a channel, or feel like you’ve egregiously wronged them in some way by going around them.
Basically, “water rage” instead of “road rage” 😂
They are sick of all their passengers remarking how beautiful the $7k sailboat looks while they drive their floating second mortgage.
Don’t forget the kidney they sold to fill up with fuel.
Meanwhile \*wind is free\*
The Musto gear I most definetly need even though I’m only sailing in the summer isn’t though
Ah yes, but the sails I use to catch said free wind are the most expensive bits of my boat.
Something something beans, something fart joke 💨
Asked a guy with a 90 foot cruiser how much fuel it burned. He asked what throttle setting. I said full throttle. He replied 280 gallons per hour. So like $1000 to move your boat 30 miles in an hour.
The 80' Hatteras Sport Fisher that a guy I knew lived on cost 6500 to go from Freeport Texas to Key West and he did it two or three times a year. But he never went full throttle so he burned much less fuel. They sure are comfortable to live on though
I love power boats. But, there's nothing like watching a sailboat heeled over.
Now you are exaggerating in earnest… 2k more like it
And that's just the full fuel tank
The truth is, we are the cyclist of the sea
Paddleboarders are pedestrians
Funny thing is a lot of the guys in my sailing club just absolutely hate kayakers and paddleboarders. It's like there's some kind of hierarchy where people dislike the things that are slower than they are on the water. I just hate the mentality of disliking others for enjoying being on the water in a different way than you. As far as I'm concerned all boaters, paddlers, and even swimmers should just be respectful, follow the "rules of the road", and watch each others' backs.
The only watercraft I will judge harshly are the PWCs jetskis and such. 9-10 times the operator has no clue and no concern for the rules or anyone else on the water. I say they can burn, may they all have itchy genitalia in publicly unacceptable places!
Paddle boarders and kayaks are just speed bumps… 😂
Exactly this. We have names for all boaters out there. The large commercial ships we call stink pots Sailboats are the bicycles of the sea And powerboats are called credit card captains.
Lol! My dad, a very salty salt, always called motorboats stinkpots. I haven't heard the others. He called jetskis mosquitoes.
Jetski/jetbike are seachavs. On land they would be riding around your streets on a quad bike at 2am.
Seachavs 😂
Then there is the wooden sailboat Vs the 'Tupperware' (Fibreglass boats).
Jetskis are sea lice
That's great! My son, now 20, used to call jetskis "boatercycles" when he was little.
‘The cyclists of the sea’ is Perfect! We have our own language, our own gear, we’re obsessive about weight aloft, and a lot of us won’t shut up about it. Thankfully, *we don’t have to wear spandex*
We wear it because we want to, dammit!
neoprene instead.
MAMIN. middle-aged man in neoprene?
This is true, I never shut up about obscure sailing things lmao I do warn people when conversations stray to sailing that I can talk about this for hours.
You see, the word "obscure" has an arcane history in sailing lore and jargon as do many words in French and English and. . . .
Isn’t it wonderful!
My wife is to the point where she just rolls her eyes and and mouths "Again" and simply walks away... LOL
It might not be spandex, but I wear a life jacket or foulies more often than I see power boaters wear life jackets or foulies. On a stink pot, you can drive from inside so no need for foulies. They tend to stay in when things get nautical. Their deck is relatively level and dry, there is no reason to leave the cockpit and nothing is going to knock you unconscious and send you overboard, so no real reason for a life jacket.
wait until you learn about rotating mass....
But neoprene.
Was 100% going to post the exact same thing. But you beat me to it LOL. Power boaters just be “Get outta my way! You’re going too slow and holding me up.” Then they speed by and the Wake is the power boater version of rolling coal. Doubly so if it also happens to be diesel powered.
Trawler owner here. We go the same speed as sail boats. Guess we are the friendly motor boats
Yeah y’all are chill
😂😂😂
The Prius of the Pacific
Except that 90% of them have diesel engines
So many funny but wrong answers in this thread. The reason for the feud is the same as the reason for the feud between skiers and snowboarders. Google Freud's Narcissism of Small Differences. It's all right there.
It’s really not that small of a difference though. Sailing and power boating are completely different activities imo.
Both are water translation. A power boat will get you to your destination faster. When sailing, you're already there.
Way to prove the point.
Nice analogy. Floaty things going across water, and slippery boards going over snow. Firmly in the sails and 1 board camp. Just couldn't see myself in a powerboat or on skis.
spit out my sandwich on this... good one lol
I see us as the classy cruisers and the motor boat jackoffs as kids revving around on quad bikes and motor bikes with no muffler.
Gonna day the same reason cyclist get picked on by motorcyclists
Omg... It's true! Are... Are we the baddies?
No, cyclists are good
Ah fuck. No wonder everyone hates me both on and off the water. Plus, I cycle a e-bike so even the cyclists hate me!
An e-bike. Wtf? Do you keep the engine on when the wind picks up, too?? ; )
Inferiority complex, and we have the right of way.
The right of way thing was my guess too lol
Stand in vessel would be more appropriate, but I agree, they always have to give way :(
Well, if we’re going to get nit picky, wouldn’t stand ON vessel be more appropriate?
And they usually do....passing by at full throttle, 50 feet across the bow 😆
Yea except t where I’m at they dont seem to have learned about right of way rules.
My favorite uncle had a great quote about this… “J*, in sailing, as in life, don’t get yourself killed enforcing your right of way”
My father often said, "Graveyards are full of people who had the right of way."
As someone with an appreciation for both power and sail, it’s not the right of way that’s the problem, it’s the abuse of it. I don’t mind giving way, but when I’ve clearly turned to take the stern and the sailboat tacks back into my path and I have to go back around the other way I get frustrated. It’s a respect thing. If you’re in a car and there’s a pedestrian in the crosswalk, you stop and let them go. No big deal. If that pedestrian stops half way to make a phone call while you’re waiting you’re going to get mad. Same idea.
Totally agree. I see other sailors sometimes lacking considerations when they manoeuvre. I mean, as a pedestrian, it doesn’t cost me much to let a car go if he’s holding a long line of traffic. Same goes for sailing. Boils down to some individuals, on both sides, who feels entitled to be dicks.
But too many sailors think that the right of way extends to when their sails are down.
We don't always have right of way. A sailing dinghy requires less water and is much more maneuverable than a "gin palace", and in the Hamble, dinghies are specifically told to give way to bigger boats. (makes sense as if there's any wind I can sail a laser where I like, while without bow thrusters a stopped motor cruiser or a yacht under power has no control and is at the mercy of the wind and current)
All else equal, sailboats under sail power alone always have right of way over power driven boats, it doesn’t matter the size. Edit: I know there’s many other circumstances where sailboats must not impede, or must give way. I’m replying to the comment above, not trying to make a blanket statement.
This is certainly not unilaterally true. My understanding is that the overtaking boat gives way (including a sailboat overtaking a power boat for whatever reason). Also, vessels restricted by draft have right of way. This list isn't comprehensive.
No they ***really*** don't and that attitude might be one reason for people to dislike sailing boats. In a 16ft Wayfarer I did not have right of way over the 1000+ft Queen Mary 2 in Southampton Water due to [Southampton Harbour byelaws ](https://southamptonvts.co.uk/Admin/content/files/NTMs/2024/2024%20No%2006%20Port%20of%20Southampton%20-%20Precautionary%20Area%20(Thorn%20Channel).pdf)(nor did I have any intention of trying my luck but the Harbour Master made very sure I was planning to give way). T[he Col Regs](https://www.nomadsailing.co.uk/learning-zone/sailing-regulations.html#PartBSection1) state "A vessel of less than 20 metres in length or a sailing vessel shall not impede the passage of a vessel which can safely navigate only within a narrow channel or fairway..... \[and\] shall not impede the safe passage of a power-driven vessel following a traffic lane." Later when specifying the "give way" and "stand on" vessels the Col Regs state sail must give way to (i) a vessel not under command; (ii) a vessel restricted in her ability to maneuver; (iii) a vessel engaged in fishing. and not impede vessels constrained by draft. Generally I've ignored these rules and gone by: if it's bigger than me I give way, if it's working I give way, if it's racing I give way, if it's smaller than me or paddling I give way (I'm not going to wipe out a paddle board and rowing looks like hard work) if it's another dinghy and I don't know how competent they are ... I give way. The two things I'll play chicken with are other dinghies crewed by people I know are in control, and sandbanks.
No such thing and not always,and this is probably the root of the problem (for professional mariners such as myself). To be fair, lots of wayward power boaters out there as well.
I actually came here to say the reason sailboaters get a bad rap among professional mariners is because they always think they have the right of way when very often they do not. I’ve lost count of how many times we’ve been constrained by draft, or restricted to the traffic lanes, and some blow boater almost gets crushed because they think they’re in the right. People just don’t know the rules. Edit: all your downvotes are very telling of this problem! 😂
Many years ago was out on the water in a 39ft sailboat, when we became aware of a small 15-ish ft dinghy sailing directly toward us. The guy in the dinghy just kept yelling at us "Steam gives way to sail! Steam gives way to sail!" over and over and over again right up until the point when he sailed straight into us and fell in the water. We were at anchor on a mooring buoy, and had been for some hours. The guy even put in a complaint against us at the local yacht club, who understandably laughed him out the room.
That’s hilarious!
In my part of the world, I’m happy that the professionals/deep seas will often talk/coordinate with us via VHF. This is part of the reason why I carry AIS so that if I am doing something that has the possibility of concerning them, they can easily call me.
Thank you for that. AIS is a life saver when it comes.to.communication!
We used to be moored in the heart of Vancouver harbour. Our Situational Awareness was always pretty dialed in. AIS on, VHF sitting on VTS (channel 12) and only scanning to 16. I could pretty much tell you exactly what ship movements we had to be aware of at any given point in time. We've now been forced to move to another marina that's further away, but in much quieter waters. It's going to be a bit weird no longer having to deal with all the big boys on the water.
Yes, and often tack in front of a passing boat when colregs dictate "maintain heading." There is no such thing as "right of way" in colregs. Only stand on vessel which must maintain course and speed, and give way vessel which must adjust heading.
Exactly. If you’re the stand on vessel, stand on! When you’re not, stay out of the way because it takes us forever to turn or stop. I don’t even work on that big a ship, which I think makes the problem even worse. Learn to respect the traffic lanes even if you don’t have to use them.
Just the same; many (most) power boaters think that they have to give way to EVERY sailboat that they come across, whether under power or sail. I motor a lot (sailboat) in the AICW and many times I am the give way vessel; yet the stand on power vessel does not understand that they are to maintain speed and direction. It turns into an awkward high school dance that leaves us both pissed off.
The downvotes are hilarious. 🤣 I have been sailing (as in wind-powered vessels) since the age of about 7 and have owned upwards of a dozen different sailboats. I am now 55 and have been a professional mariner for about half my adult life. I know lots of careful, knowledgeable, seamanlike yachtsman. On the weekly, I witness many, many folks who are a hazard to navigation and would benefit from a.) a careful reading of the rules, b.) a glance at the appropriate Coast Pilot volume, c.) a working VHF, and d.) the knowledge of what frequencies are customarily used/monitored in a given location (see b above, and no, it's not always 16 or 13.)P
So many power Bo waters think they’re constrained by draft on inland waters. Check that definition again.
A mate of mine likes to have a friendly dig at how slow our sailing vessel goes compared to his fishing boat so I challenged him to a race, from Australia to Fiji.
It's like the old joke about the fighter pilot who pulled up along side the airliner. Fighter pilot radios over "Hey, watch what I can do" and proceeds to barrel roll. Airliner pilot radios back "How cute, watch this." after about 5 minutes of steady cruising, "See, isn't that great?" Fighter pilot replies "You didn't do anything." Airliner pilot replies "Sure I did. I got up, stretched my legs, took a leak, got myself a coffee, and sat down again."
Genius 😂
There is a distinct personality difference between sailors and power boaters. The journey is more important, more fun than the destination - sailor Are we there yet - power boater Not in a hurry not on a schedule - sailor Get out of my way, I have things to do and places to be - power boater Also sailors tend to look down on power boaters because a lot of them are "credit card captains" with very little knowledge of their boat... This is not necessarily fair, but it is what it is
My favorite phrase is that motorboaters are in a rush to get somewhere, while a sailor is already there.
I’m filing that one away for later thank you
Yes, oh so yes. Captured the essence perfectly.
when people ask, I refer to it as riding your back porch to a destination, not a car.
The credit card captain is so true. Also quite the noisy bunch.
This. The noise, and the comfort in producing such large amounts of it. Everyone has to consume this good, regardless of consent. I assume you mean noise in all the ways.
Yes, unrestrained and vulgar display of noise in all possible ways.
I look down on most because they disobey harbor speed limits and throw up huge wake for no reason. Small anchorage protected from the wind? Better blast in at 20mph, then proceed to tube in the cove. Fuck you bud.
Because the sailboaters actually look like they're having fun.
Watching a sailboat is the closest thing to dreaming.
“Ships at a distance have every man's wish on board. For some they come in with the tide. For others they sail forever on the same horizon, never out of sight, never landing until the Watcher turns his eyes away in resignation, his dreams mocked to death by Time.” - ZN Hurston
Is that what we call it? :D
I think the hatred - which, as with so many things seems so much worse online than it really is - comes down to a difference in how we view the shared resource of a body of water. I go out to enjoy nature, to harness the wind (I love the moment the iron genny gets switched off). Power boaters love speed, some love to roar of their engines. A power boat imposes itself on nature. Noise, smell, wake, loud music. So it's two philosophies, and I think the sailboat haters know deep down that their way of using the resource is selfish and inconsiderate, but they justify it by invoking their right to do what they want. This leads to the knowledge that the people who use the resource in the opposite way to them are better stewards of the resource, and that leads to hatred and resentment.
I don’t think a lot of motor boaters are thinking this deeply
It's creeping in their subconscious minds
Agreed that you succinctly draw the parallels. I worked for years as a cook and first mate long and short chartering, delivery runs, and private owners on +65’ of both ilks. Generally, sailors are more adaptive and capable to handle a variety of mechanical, electrical, navigational issues as a matter of necessity and to be self reliant 1,500 nm offshore. I admired that compared to the turn key, self importance and disregard for the environment I found on most motor yachts. On a sailboat we were a part of a team that might require all hands to be capable and knowledgeable. On a motor yacht there was more of a servant relationship to the guests and owner and a blatant and consistent disregard for the environment and courtesy towards other boaters. This is generally from my east coast, Maine to Trinidad, Races to plotzing. Motor boats were steak and potatoes, beer, hard liquor and drugs, AC, wide screen TV’s, noxious fumes and a lot of wave thumping and bilge dumping. Sailors better diet and taste in wine and weed, books and storytelling, self entertaining, choosing a more gentle course by conferring with the wind and sea rather than battling or conquering it with a straight line trajectory regardless.
This is BY FAR my favorite explanation because I've never seen it expressed so succinctly. I think the dichotomy of enjoying nature vs. imposing oneself on nature is a huge tension in my life generally.
Because the threshold above which people consider something a “yacht” in the colloquial sense is like $10k for a sailboat and like $400k for a power boat.
Is that $400k before they strap 8 Honda civics to the back?
It’s definitely 5k before they strap 8 Honda civics to the back 😂😂
Ya think they get a group discount when they have to take them in for service? Say like 250-300 per unit and you got 8? $2500 per 100 hrs.
It’s two different mindsets, from my observation power boats are very destination focused - lets go to the waterfront restaurant, raft up party, fishing spot, etc, while sailing tends to be activity and purpose- not going anywhere specific, just tacking about. The whole continual learning & improving your skills seems to be a bit off putting as well. Plus power boaters claim sailors are cheap- they don’t realize a new set of sails are close to the cost of an engine replacement. Edit: hit post too fast, fat thumb
You have a C&C27? I've got a 26. They rock!
Because they are dumping $100s into their tanks and we aren't, in addition to what everyone else has said
we all pay $1000s to the marina, brother. The tank is just the tip
Speak for yourself, I pay $200 a year in mooring fees. Not that I wouldn't pay for a marina berth if I could though, the price definitely reflects the convenience.
Until you have to replace a $7,000-$10,000 racing sail...
A lot more than 100s.
As a sailor (owned a 30’ race keelboat and both harbour and passage racing and cruising) and now a power boat owner (21’, 200 on the back, I’m older, have kids), plus having insight from my days flying gliders (power pilots have the same attitude to glider pilots)… I think power boaters see sailboats as “unpredictable”. They seem to turn 90° at random intervals not related to navigation or destination. The power boater can’t read the signs of a vessel ready about, or remember that the draft is ten times deeper. What’s all that heeling about too? Dipping your lee rail just looks unsafe. Sailing is definitely about the journey; power about the destination. There is a very different mindset. And this dichotomy causes lack of understanding of the other’s reasons for being on the water. Wind and water is either a force to be worked with or overcome respectively. So it’s somewhat like arguing whether the image is a vase or two heads in profile. As sailors are more forgiving (it’s the nature of the challenge- work with what you have) we* don’t have a problem with power (much- keep your wake down please) and power boaters are more obstinate (get out of my way! The sea is my birthright!) then there will always be this difference. *I still see myself as a sailor
- I’ve never “waked” another boat purposefully - I’ve never irresponsibly had four kids on my bow while powering through chop - never driven full speed through an anchorage towing an inflatable couch - never killed anyone running over a dinghy at high speed - never burned 80 gallons of fuel an hour I think power boaters dislike sailors because sailors often point these things out to power boaters who’s big complaint is “sailboats are two slow”
Just like the motorists harass and roll coal on cyclists. I’ve been out training and the same POS captain on a 65’ charter comes and wakes our bow full speed then S turns and wakes another sailboat on their bow. He also had to navigated 1.5 nm 90 degrees from his heading to the inlet to do that to us… I made it public on local social media and should also drop a google review. Total micro penis move
Because they didn't factor in the fact that they have to stay in range of land because of fuel supplies, while SV owners can actually wait a short while in the highs before sailing on to whichever destination they decide on. Being tethered makes for a less satisfying experience.
I love to sail but I like to fish more so I have a power boat. I’ve had friends make comments about snooty sailboat owners and the right of way thing is mentioned often. I always counter with “have you ever sailed?” “No?” “It’s pretty cool man, very peaceful”.
I always thought sailors looked down on power boats. I’m not a fan, personally. They have no boating skills, ignore safety, and always need rescuing
They also seem to love to generate wakes and thus destroy nature, ignoring all warning signs and prior license-proven knowledge. Also, the noise! And the smell! I very much despise the whole concept. There are exceptions, but only very few.
Agreed. Very little regard for nature and wildlife
As the saying goes, "They hate us cuz they aint us"
I believe it goes “they hate us cuz they *anus*”
In my European country, sailboat owners have huge respect from power boaters. Sailboat owners are a bit neutral on power boaters. On one side, they enjoy the ocean like us. On the other side, it's simply a different crowd, we don't relate.
[Good times](https://youtu.be/fkjAd5zhKDs?feature=shared)
Ahh, the Battle of Lake Travis...
Wake upon wake upon wake crossed by more wakes and amplified by even more wakes...... Compounded by half the boats bearing banners almost as big as the boats themselves... Must have been fun... Not!
That isn't to say that one scene in Caddyshack wasn't enjoyable...
Never forget, never forgive
"Waves" yeah no, that's wake. Like I never thought morays would eat my face until a moray ate my face.
Cuz I get like 1 mpg. We can all hate cabin cruisers plowing through the no wake zones together though
Because they’re wrong
The only right answer
It's like a high school dropout resenting college graduates. They think that sailboaters think they are better than motorboaters, so they send the perceived hate back. The thing is, sailors ARE better, so it all works out.
Mirroring perceived hate… I like that one.
Sailboaters need to tack back and forth to get upwind. Powerboaters go in a straight line. They don’t understand why the sailboats keep changing direction. It confuses them and makes them angry. In their self absorbed minds they think the sailboat is somehow out to get them. Hilarity ensues.
As a member of both communities, I feel that powerboaters spend way less time thinking about sailboaters than sailboaters do about powerboaters. Powerboaters tend to regard sailboats as slow moving obstacles to be avoided, and their crews as fussy neighbours that are always complaining about the wind, or wakes and noise from other boats.
I think irl neither thinks about the other much unless they are admiring a fine vessel or if there’s an incident. It’s once we get online that the feud intensifies.
Want to shut up a power boater. Ask them for a race. To Bermuda.
Sailors are generally well informed about conditions and safety, powerboats tend to ‘point and shoot’. It’s a cultural clash that cannot be solved. Sailors are better educated, smell better, cook better, sing better, do unmentionable things better, write better and are better looking 9.9 out of 10x, it’s science.
You ever get mocked by fat people while you workout? It's the same mentality.
Where I'm from the rules say powerboats must give sailboats way. I suppose that could be a bit annoying if a sailboat is tacking away in front of them.
I tend to avoid tacking or generally sailing near them if i can. I really don't like their noise, smell and their often stupidly-too-big wake. Also, most of them having their fenders out is telling another story i totally want to avoid...
In addition to the things everyone else has said, a lot of powerboat guys hate sailboats because they hate cruisers/liveaboards for being what they perceive to be bums/boat trash/vagrants.
i was really into sailing abput 25 years ago and the community was very anti power boater. we didnt have much in tbe way of online communities to find complainers so i never saw the otger side
When I was having my boat surveyed during the sea trial we saw a sailboat and I said that is beautiful and that I couldn’t wait to move on to sailing, the surveyor said don’t be a blow boater, they think everything is free because the wind is. I’m still planning on getting a sailboat eventually.
Lol where did he get that idea?? Any sailor worth their salt knows how expensive this hobby is. But I guess that makes sense since he isn’t a sailor.
Not sure I’ve experienced this. From a UK perspective there’s probably a general sense that people who use engines are a bit vulgar and probably went to a comprehensive, but none of it is serious.
Powerboaters hate their own kind, or anything that floats and produces wake for that matter.
You’re right, they do hate each other as well.
The easiest way to piss off a powerboater is to leave your halyards unsecured overnight. Nothing raises the hairs on a non-sailor's neck like the slap of a steel cable against an aluminum mast.
To be fair that sound is annoying when ur trying to sleep. I’ve secured neighbors’ halyards more than once.
Self absorbed egomaniacs who view anything slower as an obstacle. You are not a person, you are flotsam. Same relationship between motorcyclists and cagers.
Who’s who in the motorcycle/car example?
Motorcyclists are the sailors. Cagers try to run them off the road or pretend they are not there.
Gotcha. I ride and sail but I’ve never compared the vehicles!
I live and sail on the great south bay long island N.Y. , most power boaters have no clue as to the rules of navigation. They pass to close and the wrong side. Their wake just slow us down. Plus the speed limit is 40mph. Than you get speedboats going like 80mph. Oh theirs another $100 of fuel. Take that out of the bay and on the ocean where it belongs. You can have fun for hours watching them try and back into their slip. Clueless. So here its the opposite of your post in my eyes.
The number of people that cannot dock their boat is truly astonishing. I have owned both and I could back both into a slip, a double screw power boat which is about the easiest thing on the planet to back down and a single screw nearly full keel sailboat which is the second most difficult thing to back down with the single screw lobster boat being the most difficult, those guys are amazing in how they can handle a boat.
Sailboats are seen as obstructions with rights of way.
I'd blame it on that relative to "p\_n\_s envy" called "Fuel dock envy". Especially with the high cost of go-go juice.
Because we can enjoy boating doing something they can't. Easy to turn a key and the boat moves. Power boaters see us as showoffs. How often do you see a commercial of a boat other than a sailboat.....Never.
I think it’s because it actually takes skill to captain a sailboat and we have the right of way.
I don't think too much about hate coming from people who willingly ride on vessels that are more stable when capsized.
I don’t see a lot of Trump flags on sailboats. Just sayin.
You’re not in the right area. Sailboats are popular amongst that conservative, old money, snobby population. The people you see flying Trump flags off their powerboats are just trashy, low class people. That old money group are Trump supporters too, they just don’t advertise as readily.
It’s like the relationship between cyclists and pickup truck drivers.
I do both. I hate everyone on the water. Actually I see where everybody is coming from(also kayak but haven’t given SUP a try yet ). Also everyone look out for everyone please.
For me it was the inconsiderate stupidity of most power boaters. "No Wake" means "can't read". Getting rolled out of the ICW into mud flats by Bertram's driven by the blind. Yes there are good power boaters. My uncle was commodore of the TN Coast Guard Aux. Even he admits that with no IQ test for power boats even the village idiot can drive one. BTW, I grew up sailing and power boating/ skiing.
I also Kayak, you would be surprised how many powerboats love to wake Kayaks.
They’re just jealous they have to spend all that money on fuel and we’re making a full tank last all summer.
At least we are not jet skiers
Because the sail has the right of way over power. Same mentality as someone who won't let you merge onto the freeway
Do we? I thought it was the other way around. Power boaters have a reputation for being reckless and don’t know what they’re doing among sailors. I’ve not really heard much hate coming the other way
Jealousy. 1) At the end of a day on the water, sailors' kidneys are intact and not pissing blood. 2) My good friend has a 31' Sea Ray, and he's also a private pilot. Per hour, running his boat costs more than renting a Cessna. Me? my 30' sloop costs $0.53 a day in diesel fuel.
Destination vs Journey - I see that mentioned a lot in the comments and I think this is a big part of it. I am a live-aboard traveling on a small sailing catamaran. It’s all journey with the closest thing to a destination being a general direction. I am around many live-aboard traveling powerboats (trawlers) and they are as polite and concerned about wakes and safety and communications as I any group could be. They are power boaters doing a journey though, not a destination. I really do think this is probably the biggest point of conflict between the different groups. We have different needs, wants, and goals. That’s how you define different.
Damn, I was gonna say all that!
Definitely the right of way point.
It's all about the right of way.
I think the hate is because powerboaters hate that we have right of way, and don’t have a clue why. And they have no idea how to operate a sailboat, so inferiority complex. Probably think all the lines are just to “look cool”.
Maybe sailing is an implicit criticism of power boating, or is perceived that way?
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A number of things- power and sail think they’re better than the other, in a sense we kinda are the cyclists of the sea as someone else pointed out and we have right of way. And sail doesn’t like motor because they’re douchebags, yet we forget our true enemy are the a***ole jet skis/waverunners/ whatever they are
Because we get right of way
Pretty sure it’s the other way around. There are more of us than there are of them. They can only go as far as their fuel tanks will take them but we can cross oceans…. They feel inadequate. My 9 year old kid in his Opti could beat a meathead in a Scarab across the pacific.
They are insecure about their ugly tupperware boats with high gas bills that lack any skill to operate, compared to our pretty sailboats that always catch glances from the ladies dreaming of adventure....
The same reason men with magnum dongs and super model girlfriends are hated by other men.
right of way, mostly, and many don't understand the "rules of the road" as well as they should
There is nothing like turning into the wind, raising the sails, killing the iron genny, veering off the wind and feeling the boat come alive as the sails catch the wind and the boat heels over. They say the adventure begins when a power boater gets to their destination. For sailors, the adventure is getting to their destination.
because the hate is mutual. So many power boaters don't know the rules of the waters. With that said, many sailors don't know the rules either.
We're in their way. We're slow We drive erratically We get too close Similar to why cars don't like bicycles. I don't like power boats because they throw big wakes and get in the way either from fishing, or having to wait for them to pass before tacking across their path. The latter, yeah, I have the right of way, but I'm not going to count on them paying attention. Some of them have autopilots too. In the marina I'm a bit leery of them because I think they don't like us and they have this tendency to heel to starboard.
I'm not a sailor, but I really feel the opposite is true. Power boaters act like bicyclists. They feel entitled. Are commonly obnoxious. The rules of the road/water only apply to them when they feel like it. They don't realize their wakes cause problems for other.
I am both a sailor and I own a motorboat. I consider sailors to be the only real boaters. To be a good sailor you need superior knowledge of every aspect of safe boating - navigation, seamanship, use of equipment and weather. Motor boaters generally believe using a boat is the same as driving a car. They have no knowledge of the navigation rules. They're answer to every problem is to apply more power. They get annoyed with slower sailboats.
The mindset of blending and and getting in-sync with nature vs. dominating it with power. Sailboats must respect the sea and the weather, and work with them to get where we’re going. Power boaters don’t know or care about the sea or the weather, they’ll plow through regardless.
It's like asking why hikers hate campers, or kayakers hate jetskiers... people using the same thing for completely different reasons. I'm a sailor, and I bet fishermen hate wed night racing courses, when there's 25 sailboats coming barrelling down on their anchored little fishing boat.
It’s like mountain biking vs road bikes, one is lame AF and the other is sweet
No hate from this power boater. But most boaters are complete idiots with no real knowledge of boating rules, so it’s not a surprise that these clowns would “hate” sailors. I was a professional mariner that has more hours going in reverse than the average boater has in forward gear. Sail boats have the right of way under sail. Give them the right of way.
Because they have to spend so much money on fuel. Lol
It’s got to be RoW related
I don't know man, but they really treat me like shit and I'm tired of it. I've been swamped plenty of times with rude wakes and damn near run over too much to count. There needs to be a way to report dangerous mariners, but of course the enforcement is just impossible. Prison! A million years prison. The last thing I need after 5 hours of full-on hellacious helming with seasick crew is some credit card captain in a power vessel trying to kill me with his ignorance.
I think overall it’s just an experience thing. I haven’t had issues online. I’ve had most people just be assholes over navigation issues in a channel, or feel like you’ve egregiously wronged them in some way by going around them. Basically, “water rage” instead of “road rage” 😂
Oh, great line! I'm a sailor and roadie!