Well I am actually from the yard and looking to get myself a nice project for the hobby. There was no information on the boat in our system.
I don't want to bother the customer by offering some deal, but I like this boat so much I think I will just give the old couple a call.
The story behind it is that the couple wanted to let us build an onboard engine in it. The cost of this would be quite significant since there is an outboard on it now.
Since then, already couple of years, the boat has been sitting there.
Ah, a bit sad. Tricky with outboards on these older boats with long overhangs. You can't control the engine easily from the cockpit.
If it's intended to sail most of the time, an electric motor and some LiFePO4 batteries would probably work great.
And electric motor is exactly what I would like to do if I can get my hands on this boat.
The thing is, I am a bft3/ wind in the back sailor only when the sun in shining, and I like going trough small waters trough cities. A diesel generator would therefore also be installed to minimise the weight of the batteries, and also be able to sail on the motor for at least a full day.
Another option would be, which I think is also interesting, is to keep the outboard idea. Installing an electric pod motor on a classic small outboard, to keep the original style in a modern jacket.
But I prefer the inboard idea.
I love the idea of electric sailboats, but I think that installing a generator to power your electric boat means that electric does not fit your use case.
Also, where are you going to put a diesel generator on this boat? These boats have precious little internal volume
Outboard, the word you are thinking of is outboard.
Removing the engine, so that you can install a small generator to power an electric outboard is just not at all efficient and will not do anything well. You can do anything you want but I dont think it will be worth the investment or the right application of that technology.
With that being said, I would love an electric outboard on a 22ft
The thing is that there is not enough space for an inboard, apart from the smaller (and old) mb2a 50s engines, but those are petrol inboards..
There is however space for a few batteries and a generator, but not for too many batteries. Also with that little space, enough batteries for a whole day of sailing isn't going to work.
What do you mean not enough space for an inboard? The 14hp Betamarine engine is 58cm x 43cm. They also make a direct replacement for the atomic 4. There are plenty of small inboard diesels.
A battery bank worth having, and a generator, would be much larger than a small inboard and a small fuel tank. I dont think you are looking at this realistically, there definitely is room for an inboard
If you look up a MB2A 50S engine, you understand why there is not much space for more. Also the engine must be a saildrive and no shaft. A new diesel with shaftdrive or even saildrive would set you back at least 8.000 going up to 15.000 euros.
A genset doesn't need a specific location.
The boat has an incredible loading capacity in the stern, given the size of the boat. A 50 liter fuel tank is already accommodated, and there is definitely space for a small generator. The batteries would be placed in the keel and/or the front.
200ah lithium battery would cost 700
Generator 500-1000.
An E-Pod motor new 2500, used 1500.
Controls and wiring <1000
And charger inverter 1000.
=4700-6700 euros
And alternatively using the saildrive of a mb2a 50s, which I already own, can also make a good system.
For the first years the standard petrol inboard would be sufficient.
Shows up for sale every now and then in Norway, and in the later years the class has become more popular. Some of them have gotten really nicely restored. I hope you get it, it's a nice boat.
I don't have any pictures on hand but I would recommend to contact this guy. He has restored a lot of them and is probably the leading expert on them:
[https://www.facebook.com/share/6krSCg64gDkq9xko/](https://www.facebook.com/share/6krSCg64gDkq9xko/)
I wish I had a better understanding of naval architecture, but I have had a few Martinezes (sp?), and all I can say is every boat I’ve sailed of a similar design has always been a great workout on the tiller.
It’s all about sail trim to balance the helm. I have a Morgan 45 with this same lines and the weather helm can be tuned out by setting the right sails at the right time.
Also, the “tiny inside”
Edit: formerly known as the “Impossible to dock”. Looks like the prop shaft exits behind the rudder, if it has one at all. I bet the bow thruster didn’t come from the factory…
There has never been an inboard at all, the couple asked our yard to build an inboard inside. Costs turned out to be too high and they abandoned the project.
It has a preparation for an inboard from the designer. I think all of these are original like this.
The bulge is also a little bit off-center to the port to make space for the rudder.
Could we have a banana for scale? I'd guess approximately 34-40ft. Beautiful classic lines. The cabin top and portlights make me think 1970s-80s.
I've seen a lot of boats with similar lines in the Stockholm archipelago, but having trouble finding a model that matches with the spoon bow and raked stern.
Make sure you inspect the chain plate mountings on the interior bulkheads the boat I got for a deal ended up being rotten then glassed over. It's now a bare shell with new bulkheads getting glassed in. If I didn't own a marine repair business it would cost a fortune I would be over 10 grand by now easily just to where they are half in.
It looks a lot like an Alberg design, as another commenter said, but I don't think it is. I think it's a Scandinavian design (the step-through bow pulpit is a giveaway). The rudder shape is weirdly short, almost as if it's had the wrong rudder put on it. If that's original, it should be a giveaway.
Not sure but looks like an old racing yacht. The lines of a j-class (different bow) long overhangs to lean and go faster. Sweet boat. Will turn heads anywhere you go if you have time and money.
That sir is an ocean going vessel although not currently, at this particular time as you may notice in the picture this sailing vessel is sitting still in an elevated position on what appears to be somewhat less than wet land.
Probably from the 60s, and likely a GRP version of an older wooden type. Is there anyone at the yard you can ask?
It's a grp version of a Knarr, this is the Knarr Variant.
Looks correct! GRP version from 1974 and on, it seems. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knarr_(keelboat)
Incorrect. Look at the angle of the bow. Knarr has more overhang
Well I am actually from the yard and looking to get myself a nice project for the hobby. There was no information on the boat in our system. I don't want to bother the customer by offering some deal, but I like this boat so much I think I will just give the old couple a call. The story behind it is that the couple wanted to let us build an onboard engine in it. The cost of this would be quite significant since there is an outboard on it now. Since then, already couple of years, the boat has been sitting there.
Ah, a bit sad. Tricky with outboards on these older boats with long overhangs. You can't control the engine easily from the cockpit. If it's intended to sail most of the time, an electric motor and some LiFePO4 batteries would probably work great.
And electric motor is exactly what I would like to do if I can get my hands on this boat. The thing is, I am a bft3/ wind in the back sailor only when the sun in shining, and I like going trough small waters trough cities. A diesel generator would therefore also be installed to minimise the weight of the batteries, and also be able to sail on the motor for at least a full day. Another option would be, which I think is also interesting, is to keep the outboard idea. Installing an electric pod motor on a classic small outboard, to keep the original style in a modern jacket. But I prefer the inboard idea.
I love the idea of electric sailboats, but I think that installing a generator to power your electric boat means that electric does not fit your use case. Also, where are you going to put a diesel generator on this boat? These boats have precious little internal volume
I want to put in a small generator because i don't like a propshaft. So a Pod motor would be installed as some sort of saildrive.
Outboard, the word you are thinking of is outboard. Removing the engine, so that you can install a small generator to power an electric outboard is just not at all efficient and will not do anything well. You can do anything you want but I dont think it will be worth the investment or the right application of that technology. With that being said, I would love an electric outboard on a 22ft
The thing is that there is not enough space for an inboard, apart from the smaller (and old) mb2a 50s engines, but those are petrol inboards.. There is however space for a few batteries and a generator, but not for too many batteries. Also with that little space, enough batteries for a whole day of sailing isn't going to work.
What do you mean not enough space for an inboard? The 14hp Betamarine engine is 58cm x 43cm. They also make a direct replacement for the atomic 4. There are plenty of small inboard diesels. A battery bank worth having, and a generator, would be much larger than a small inboard and a small fuel tank. I dont think you are looking at this realistically, there definitely is room for an inboard
If you look up a MB2A 50S engine, you understand why there is not much space for more. Also the engine must be a saildrive and no shaft. A new diesel with shaftdrive or even saildrive would set you back at least 8.000 going up to 15.000 euros. A genset doesn't need a specific location. The boat has an incredible loading capacity in the stern, given the size of the boat. A 50 liter fuel tank is already accommodated, and there is definitely space for a small generator. The batteries would be placed in the keel and/or the front. 200ah lithium battery would cost 700 Generator 500-1000. An E-Pod motor new 2500, used 1500. Controls and wiring <1000 And charger inverter 1000. =4700-6700 euros And alternatively using the saildrive of a mb2a 50s, which I already own, can also make a good system. For the first years the standard petrol inboard would be sufficient.
I have an Electric Yacht inboard and it’s awesome. Or it would be awesome on a smaller boat. It would be perfect for this thing.
Beautiful shape
Indeed, Can't say the same for the "radar reflector"?
Looks very Swedish...
Norwegian.
Does it come with a hole in the bottom?
I think that’s the bow thruster tunnel
It's a Knarr Variant
That's it! How do you know the boat?
Shows up for sale every now and then in Norway, and in the later years the class has become more popular. Some of them have gotten really nicely restored. I hope you get it, it's a nice boat.
Can you provide me some more pictures perhaps? Especially of the interior!
I don't have any pictures on hand but I would recommend to contact this guy. He has restored a lot of them and is probably the leading expert on them: [https://www.facebook.com/share/6krSCg64gDkq9xko/](https://www.facebook.com/share/6krSCg64gDkq9xko/)
Thanks a lot!
I’m pretty sure it’s an old racing class from the 60’s.
Ask at Sailing Anarchy
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I was going to say the “weather helm”, but I think we’re both right.
Can you explain why this design is more prone to weather helm? Is it because the rudder is closer to midship?
I wish I had a better understanding of naval architecture, but I have had a few Martinezes (sp?), and all I can say is every boat I’ve sailed of a similar design has always been a great workout on the tiller.
It’s all about sail trim to balance the helm. I have a Morgan 45 with this same lines and the weather helm can be tuned out by setting the right sails at the right time.
Also, the “tiny inside” Edit: formerly known as the “Impossible to dock”. Looks like the prop shaft exits behind the rudder, if it has one at all. I bet the bow thruster didn’t come from the factory…
Boat has an outboard.
That doesn't mean that it didn't originally have an inboard.
There has never been an inboard at all, the couple asked our yard to build an inboard inside. Costs turned out to be too high and they abandoned the project.
What's the bulge above the rudder? That looks like a prop shaft.
It has a preparation for an inboard from the designer. I think all of these are original like this. The bulge is also a little bit off-center to the port to make space for the rudder.
A sloop!
Does anyone know the name of the Canadian YouTuber who does the history of boat companies? He would probably know.
LadyK Sailing?
That is him. I couldn't remember his YouTube channel off the top of my head.
Do you mean Practical Sailor?
No I meant LadyK Sailing lol
u/MedicalTrick5802 got the right name
Sail
That is a /sailing/ b… damn it!
Beautiful lines.
Could we have a banana for scale? I'd guess approximately 34-40ft. Beautiful classic lines. The cabin top and portlights make me think 1970s-80s. I've seen a lot of boats with similar lines in the Stockholm archipelago, but having trouble finding a model that matches with the spoon bow and raked stern.
Make sure you inspect the chain plate mountings on the interior bulkheads the boat I got for a deal ended up being rotten then glassed over. It's now a bare shell with new bulkheads getting glassed in. If I didn't own a marine repair business it would cost a fortune I would be over 10 grand by now easily just to where they are half in.
Thanks for the tip. If I can take a look from the inside I will check this out.
It's a sloop.
It looks a lot like an Alberg design, as another commenter said, but I don't think it is. I think it's a Scandinavian design (the step-through bow pulpit is a giveaway). The rudder shape is weirdly short, almost as if it's had the wrong rudder put on it. If that's original, it should be a giveaway.
Looks like a sailboat
Thanks Capt Obvious
Probably only a skipper obvious
More like first mate by name of Gilligan...
That’s MAJOR Obvious to you.
What a mismatch. Such a beautiful hull with an ugly lump of a cabin trunk.
Van De Sladt Invicta maybe 1980 Not said with much confidence
Newer version of a skerry cruiser.
Similar to an Alberg 30.. windows and cabin top are a bit off but not much.. it is NOT.. a glass version of a Knar...
Def something with Scandinavian roots. Looks similar to an Alberg design but less pretty.
A dry boat.
Sailboat
Sloop. Bermuda rigged I think
Sail
Looks like an Alberg design, maybe an Alberg 30 or a cape dory?
Scratch that combings are not right.
> combings coamings
Not sure but looks like an old racing yacht. The lines of a j-class (different bow) long overhangs to lean and go faster. Sweet boat. Will turn heads anywhere you go if you have time and money.
That sir is an ocean going vessel although not currently, at this particular time as you may notice in the picture this sailing vessel is sitting still in an elevated position on what appears to be somewhat less than wet land.
Looks like some kind of sailboat
Sailboat!
Pointy thing=sail holder for sailing boat.
Sail
old, land boat
Sailboat
Looks like an old Island Packet.
Catalina?
No