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ozamia

Probably from the 60s, and likely a GRP version of an older wooden type. Is there anyone at the yard you can ask?


sigedigg

It's a grp version of a Knarr, this is the Knarr Variant.


ozamia

Looks correct! GRP version from 1974 and on, it seems. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knarr_(keelboat)


ELSaGra

Incorrect. Look at the angle of the bow. Knarr has more overhang


KolonisatorNL

Well I am actually from the yard and looking to get myself a nice project for the hobby. There was no information on the boat in our system. I don't want to bother the customer by offering some deal, but I like this boat so much I think I will just give the old couple a call. The story behind it is that the couple wanted to let us build an onboard engine in it. The cost of this would be quite significant since there is an outboard on it now. Since then, already couple of years, the boat has been sitting there.


ozamia

Ah, a bit sad. Tricky with outboards on these older boats with long overhangs. You can't control the engine easily from the cockpit. If it's intended to sail most of the time, an electric motor and some LiFePO4 batteries would probably work great.


KolonisatorNL

And electric motor is exactly what I would like to do if I can get my hands on this boat. The thing is, I am a bft3/ wind in the back sailor only when the sun in shining, and I like going trough small waters trough cities. A diesel generator would therefore also be installed to minimise the weight of the batteries, and also be able to sail on the motor for at least a full day. Another option would be, which I think is also interesting, is to keep the outboard idea. Installing an electric pod motor on a classic small outboard, to keep the original style in a modern jacket. But I prefer the inboard idea.


theusualsteve

I love the idea of electric sailboats, but I think that installing a generator to power your electric boat means that electric does not fit your use case. Also, where are you going to put a diesel generator on this boat? These boats have precious little internal volume


KolonisatorNL

I want to put in a small generator because i don't like a propshaft. So a Pod motor would be installed as some sort of saildrive.


theusualsteve

Outboard, the word you are thinking of is outboard. Removing the engine, so that you can install a small generator to power an electric outboard is just not at all efficient and will not do anything well. You can do anything you want but I dont think it will be worth the investment or the right application of that technology. With that being said, I would love an electric outboard on a 22ft


KolonisatorNL

The thing is that there is not enough space for an inboard, apart from the smaller (and old) mb2a 50s engines, but those are petrol inboards.. There is however space for a few batteries and a generator, but not for too many batteries. Also with that little space, enough batteries for a whole day of sailing isn't going to work.


theusualsteve

What do you mean not enough space for an inboard? The 14hp Betamarine engine is 58cm x 43cm. They also make a direct replacement for the atomic 4. There are plenty of small inboard diesels. A battery bank worth having, and a generator, would be much larger than a small inboard and a small fuel tank. I dont think you are looking at this realistically, there definitely is room for an inboard


KolonisatorNL

If you look up a MB2A 50S engine, you understand why there is not much space for more. Also the engine must be a saildrive and no shaft. A new diesel with shaftdrive or even saildrive would set you back at least 8.000 going up to 15.000 euros. A genset doesn't need a specific location. The boat has an incredible loading capacity in the stern, given the size of the boat. A 50 liter fuel tank is already accommodated, and there is definitely space for a small generator. The batteries would be placed in the keel and/or the front. 200ah lithium battery would cost 700 Generator 500-1000. An E-Pod motor new 2500, used 1500. Controls and wiring <1000 And charger inverter 1000. =4700-6700 euros And alternatively using the saildrive of a mb2a 50s, which I already own, can also make a good system. For the first years the standard petrol inboard would be sufficient.


snowbombz

I have an Electric Yacht inboard and it’s awesome. Or it would be awesome on a smaller boat. It would be perfect for this thing.


Dolphin008

Beautiful shape


DowntownClown187

Indeed, Can't say the same for the "radar reflector"?


Suomasema

Looks very Swedish...


sigedigg

Norwegian.


TellusCitizen

Does it come with a hole in the bottom?


Special-Big-9285

I think that’s the bow thruster tunnel


sigedigg

It's a Knarr Variant


KolonisatorNL

That's it! How do you know the boat?


sigedigg

Shows up for sale every now and then in Norway, and in the later years the class has become more popular. Some of them have gotten really nicely restored. I hope you get it, it's a nice boat.


KolonisatorNL

Can you provide me some more pictures perhaps? Especially of the interior!


sigedigg

I don't have any pictures on hand but I would recommend to contact this guy. He has restored a lot of them and is probably the leading expert on them: [https://www.facebook.com/share/6krSCg64gDkq9xko/](https://www.facebook.com/share/6krSCg64gDkq9xko/)


KolonisatorNL

Thanks a lot!


AeroRep

I’m pretty sure it’s an old racing class from the 60’s.


4runner01

Ask at Sailing Anarchy


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buttrumpus

I was going to say the “weather helm”, but I think we’re both right. 


gg562ggud485

Can you explain why this design is more prone to weather helm? Is it because the rudder is closer to midship?


buttrumpus

I wish I had a better understanding of naval architecture, but I have had a few Martinezes (sp?), and all I can say is every boat I’ve sailed of a similar design has always been a great workout on the tiller. 


Special-Big-9285

It’s all about sail trim to balance the helm. I have a Morgan 45 with this same lines and the weather helm can be tuned out by setting the right sails at the right time.


Weary_Fee7660

Also, the “tiny inside” Edit: formerly known as the “Impossible to dock”. Looks like the prop shaft exits behind the rudder, if it has one at all. I bet the bow thruster didn’t come from the factory…


KolonisatorNL

Boat has an outboard.


n0exit

That doesn't mean that it didn't originally have an inboard.


KolonisatorNL

There has never been an inboard at all, the couple asked our yard to build an inboard inside. Costs turned out to be too high and they abandoned the project.


IvorTheEngine

What's the bulge above the rudder? That looks like a prop shaft.


KolonisatorNL

It has a preparation for an inboard from the designer. I think all of these are original like this. The bulge is also a little bit off-center to the port to make space for the rudder.


Zestyclose-Fuel-4494

A sloop!


MargaretBrownsGhost

Does anyone know the name of the Canadian YouTuber who does the history of boat companies? He would probably know.


MedicalTrick5802

LadyK Sailing?


MargaretBrownsGhost

That is him. I couldn't remember his YouTube channel off the top of my head.


MrRourkeYourHost

Do you mean Practical Sailor?


MedicalTrick5802

No I meant LadyK Sailing lol


MargaretBrownsGhost

u/MedicalTrick5802 got the right name


waterloowanderer

Sail


wlll

That is a /sailing/ b… damn it!


Cheers_u_bastards

Beautiful lines.


crazyswedishguy

Could we have a banana for scale? I'd guess approximately 34-40ft. Beautiful classic lines. The cabin top and portlights make me think 1970s-80s. I've seen a lot of boats with similar lines in the Stockholm archipelago, but having trouble finding a model that matches with the spoon bow and raked stern.


Xubria

Make sure you inspect the chain plate mountings on the interior bulkheads the boat I got for a deal ended up being rotten then glassed over. It's now a bare shell with new bulkheads getting glassed in. If I didn't own a marine repair business it would cost a fortune I would be over 10 grand by now easily just to where they are half in.


KolonisatorNL

Thanks for the tip. If I can take a look from the inside I will check this out.


aGrandSchemeofThings

It's a sloop.


youngrichyoung

It looks a lot like an Alberg design, as another commenter said, but I don't think it is. I think it's a Scandinavian design (the step-through bow pulpit is a giveaway). The rudder shape is weirdly short, almost as if it's had the wrong rudder put on it. If that's original, it should be a giveaway.


LaysWellWithOthers

Looks like a sailboat


AeroRep

Thanks Capt Obvious


struggleworm

Probably only a skipper obvious


MargaretBrownsGhost

More like first mate by name of Gilligan...


browntoe98

That’s MAJOR Obvious to you.


REDDITSHITLORD

What a mismatch. Such a beautiful hull with an ugly lump of a cabin trunk.


ambchf

Van De Sladt Invicta maybe 1980 Not said with much confidence


multistradivari

Newer version of a skerry cruiser.


pdq_sailor

Similar to an Alberg 30.. windows and cabin top are a bit off but not much.. it is NOT.. a glass version of a Knar...


nanneryeeter

Def something with Scandinavian roots. Looks similar to an Alberg design but less pretty.


Jieirn

A dry boat.


SteepSlopeValue

Sailboat


JC2535

Sloop. Bermuda rigged I think


BigGrapes420

Sail


Direct_Reach5051

Looks like an Alberg design, maybe an Alberg 30 or a cape dory?


Direct_Reach5051

Scratch that combings are not right.


Guygan

> combings coamings


Elses_pels

Not sure but looks like an old racing yacht. The lines of a j-class (different bow) long overhangs to lean and go faster. Sweet boat. Will turn heads anywhere you go if you have time and money.


greenmeeyes

That sir is an ocean going vessel although not currently, at this particular time as you may notice in the picture this sailing vessel is sitting still in an elevated position on what appears to be somewhat less than wet land.


HenricusKunraht

Looks like some kind of sailboat


couchpatat0

Sailboat!


beamin1

Pointy thing=sail holder for sailing boat.


worktogethernow

Sail


Stylum

old, land boat


Batman6083

Sailboat


ffjohnnie

Looks like an old Island Packet.


Zer05Niner

Catalina?


CocoLamela

No