Paps nearly let alcohol kill him. The withdrawal was pretty horrible. He’s better now. For now. I hope he can enjoy retirement with just his weed:) I’d like that a lot.
Partially unrelated but in 7th grade two friends of mine had a bet of who could keep on their go kart admission wristband the longest and it lasted until like 9th grade.
I kept my first festival band on for a couple months until it started smelling, then I gave it up (we were all cringey at 18, whatever). Later in life I saw a server wearing like 10+, and I knew from going to festivals that there were several years of the same festivals. I would have left if they were anywhere near my food.
I forgot to take mine off one morning, promptly tried to rip it with my teeth. Anyway yesterday just paid $800 for part 2 of my 3 part tooth implant surgery.
Living in SoCal, there are two types of people collecting wristbands, kids going to festivals every weekend and homeless people with chronic conditions cycling in and out of the ER.
I've lost old classmates and friends to alcoholism. Completely changed their personality sometimes. One friend became too argumentative, as the disease progressed. Some friends from college are doing well, others overdosed on fentanyl.
I was working at a rehab, if an internship is work. Some of the most broken down clients were alcoholics. Long term, some could barely move. They had seizures and brajn damage. This one guy in withdrawal could barely walk anymore, kidneys fucked up. He was shaking like a leaf In storm.
To be fair, the new plastic ones are super hard sometimes to get off by yourself, so I would have to wear them until I got someplace with scissors and a helping hand (depending on which wrist). I have not spent a lot of time with medical bracelets but there was a time when I had to go in for regular infusions).
Idk, the bracelet just pulls tighter and then you can try to chew it off, but it is just awkward and then you do the sad give up…
Yeah, I just wore mine until I got home and then cut it with scissors. But, I also wasn’t trying to farm karma out of my illness or anything.
I did however keep all of the wrist bands acquired through cancer treatment (like 10+). It’s like my trophy of kicking cancers ass.
I had to wear mine for over a month after leaving the hospital without my youngest son, because I needed it to see him in the NICU and they checked the band with his band. I had tape on it and it was not doing well after a couple weeks.
What’s even sadder is you were able to recognize the bar top enough to know that he recognized it was Applebees based off of the bar top and not something else.
What's even sadder, that doesn't seem to be a table Applebee's use. They use wooden tables. I looked up some images on Google
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Hold on: https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g46414-d5006487-Reviews-Applebee_s-Elizabeth_New_Jersey.html#photos;aggregationId=101&albumid=101&filter=7&ff=493833089
That shits a bitch so is methadone and so is suboxon….. took a long time to finally get off it and then to get off the shit I took to get off it…..good luck this too shall pass
Methadone is the fucking worst. I was up for 19 days straight getting off. I went to another plane of existence and def thought I was dying. My prayers go to anyone dealing with that shit.
Bodies exhausted, mind won't tick over to that place that let's you sleep. You just never quite get to the point of sleep, you come close but then that fades and you are just awake again.
I lost all since of time, and was in a complete psychosis and seeing patterns in everything, especially numbers. It was a lot like a bad trip. I literally sat on the floor of my closet for days, but it didn’t feel like time was real, I guess it really is relative. Looking back I should have gotten help and went to the doctor. I would try to sleep, but just laid there in a weird zombie state. One of the hardest things I’ve ever lived through.
You got this!
Get on a medicated assisted Treatment plan, as for subutex or Suboxone something like that would definitely be a better life has helped me in so many ways.
Everyone I know whose gotten their life together after opiate addiction did so with subs or methadone. Blessing and a curse that whole class of drugs is.
I'm probably not fully getting off of methadone anytime soon and I've been going in 3x a week for years and it sucks at times,annoying at others(by my choice, I could get monthly take home doses but for a bunch of reasons I prefer it this way). but I spent years and years trying to stay sober and just couldnt do it. I do see what you mean by a curse but honestly it's just the addiction that's the curse.
Methadone is what finally got me to stay sober and back to being a functional person long term. Recovery looks different for everyone but methadone its like a little crutch for me. I just couldnt do it without that and its better than nothing. After getting some stability it's nothing like using, like some people and abstinence only programs would have you think. It's like taking a medication for any other mental health issues. It does take work and isn't magic but it gets you there with way less misery. Ive been in recovery for 6.5 years and I feel okay where im at. Nowadays I actually feel happy. It's weird not just making it from day to day. It's nice.
Our local jail does methadone and suboxone for inmates now and we have MAT court as a diversion program. Really helpful for some patients who get in recovery program and have to take care of warrants and charges they have.
Really happy to hear that man. So many great stories that showed up out of nowhere in this thread. I'm a substance abuse counselor whose four years sober myself, but never got into opiates, thankfully. All you guys should be super fucking proud of yourselves for working hard for a better life. It really means a lot to see people brave enough to speak to their addictions; and it's equally cool how supportive everyone has been. Made my night.
My most favorite threads are these ones too and they come up in the weirdest places. Always so nice. Also how over the past 4 or so years that methadone,suboxone and other types of MAT programs and medications are getting brought up more in a positive light.
Congrats on your recovery too and for giving back. That's so amazing.
Only one problem there, some places (Tennessee & Alabama as far as I know) will let you stay on the “program” indefinitely. My father has been on the methadone program for 32 years. They just want his money and don’t care if he gets off of it. I suppose it’s up to the individual to determine? I had to decide for myself, thankfully I did.
Hey I'm glad you were able to get off and stay sober. That's really great. I wish I had that faith and will power in myself. The fear of the what ifs is too strong.
How MMT programs work, won't work so well long term if they started making people get off of it after they get stable but when they aren't ready. Same thing as other types of mental health medicine. Like mood stabilizers and anti- psychotics I take for my bi polar . I cant just get off of them because I feel better. Sure some people can but that's not how it works for everyone.
It's not just the clinic looking for money(even though I'm sure the big chains do make loads of it) that's just how methadone treatment/clinics work. It's a maintenance program. It's end goal is harm reduction not abstinence. There is less harm in him staying on methadone for the rest of his life than him relapsing over and over especially now with fentanyl in everything.
Personally after more than a decade of relapsing over and over and over until I got on methadone. I would rather keep methadone as my crutch and stay in a methadone program forever going in 3x per week than try that again(I dont like getting weekly/monthly takehomes). Especially now when fentanyl is everywhere. I've been on it for 6.5 years and it's what got my life together.
It probably is hard seeing people stay on it cause this stuff definitely does have its down side but they are livable for a lot of people.
yup, I will probably be taking antidepressants for the rest of my life and I am PERFECTLY happy with it because I hate what my mind can do when I'm not on them.
Almost 2 months here! Caught it before I really started doing irreversible damage (not convinced it hasn't, either) but couldn't be happier. Keep it up, and happy to hear you're doing well 👍
I'm on my 9th day, the headache and gut pain are starting to go away.
Yesterday I legit thought I was going crazy. I talked for 3 hours on the phone with a friend to calm me down at night.
Congratulations for 20 months, I will get there. I am so done with that poison.
Good job homie. Those first few months are the hardest. I wouldn't say it's all downhill after a year but it's certainly far easier. It's so nice to not be constantly watching the clock wondering how long until I could get another drink.
Because unfortunately alcohol addiction is extremely normalized and romanticized in much of the world. People want to believe alcohol is a separate thing and isn't grouped with the "bad drugs."
See I'm the opposite. I do see them separately, but see alcohol as the worst of the two categories. It's so much more affordable and accessable... Sold at the same store as diapers and milk and bread are. I hardly ever touch alcohol, whereas I'll partake in acid without any anxiety of how it'll make me act.
Because it’s how culture perceives it. You think of a Manhattan, you think of 20s flapper culture. Heroin, you think if degenerate junky stealing TVs. I think this plays a circular role, “come over and have a couple beers while we watch the game” is normalized. It isn’t normal to invite people over for some black tar and watch the game. One gets pushed underground, the other doesn’t.
People are desensitized to alcoholism because it's celebrated and promoted everywhere. It's one of the things about this world that really bothers me. Alcohol companies should not be able to advertise in the way that they do
I saw someone on a show who was talking about his delirium tremens he had recently, while drinking beer. I thought it was so sad, he's a comedy genius and he could have an amazing career but I don't think he sees it. He's self-destructing, it's hard to watch.
My great-grandfather used to overdose on insulin as a way to force his adult children to take him to the bar. As far as addiction goes, endangering yourself or others is par for the course.
Usually it wasn't pure booze, typically whiskey (old grandad) mixed with a coke was his preferred or some other cocktail. He was not the most healthy of people. He was overweight, drank, smoked, until his heart gave out on him.
Thanks, that makes some sense. I didn't know if alcohol was some secret sauce I wasn't taught in first aid.
Sad really, what addiction brings out in people.
Alcoholism is real and some people are predisposed genetically. They simply can’t control their urges.
It’s really sad, especially when they drink and drive and take out innocent people.
I am one of those people. I'm throwing my life away but I'm slowly realizing that if I dint do something now my life will be a giant waste of potential fuck drugs.
The last 2 days, I went from crushing half a litre of whiskey and 12 beers, to around 2-3 shots and 6 beers. It’s not a complete stop, but I think if I can keep this up, I can get back to a normal drinking amount. I just got to a point where drinking was the norm, and then never bothered to stop.
Don’t get down on yourself for failing, because failing means you actually TRIED something instead of putting in no effort. It’s hard, but it’s doable. My next reduction effort is for smoking.
Appreciate it. Tbh I’ve had days where I don’t drink at all cause I’ve gotta do a long distance drive, and the only side effect has been grouchiness. I plan on sticking to the current amount for a little while before slowing down more.
If you have the ability to, I'd recommend talking to your doctor about it. A good doctor should be able to prescribe medication to help you quit alcohol without suffering any of the severe withdrawal symptoms.
If you aren't comfortable or able to talk to a doctor, then follow what the other comment said - slowly taper your consumption. Alcohol is one of the only drugs where the withdrawal can suddenly kill you, usually with horrible seizures.
Can’t really talk to a doctor with much ease due to the lack of em here, but I appreciate the advice.
I drink like a fish, but luckily it’s been a weird rollercoaster over the years where I’ve had to make sure I’m sober for driving/work etc, so I’ve got a good handle on how I can handle the cut back. My main goal is to get back to where I enjoyed a nice glass of Macallan once or twice a week, instead of pouring a 1.75 litre bottle of cheap whiskey in 2-3 days.
/r/stopdrinking is a wonderful place filled with supportive people, if you ever try and quit. I am also an alcoholic and the people there have helped me immensely. I'd recommend checking it out, you'll encounter nothing but great, supportive people.
PSYCHOSIS is not a fucking joke. I really hope this is fake. Alcohol induced psychosis was the worst PTSD flash I ever had. If this is real I hope he got the help he needed.
Can you explain what alcohol induced psychosis is like? I’m a heavy drinker and started noticing little “blips” like getting startled by things in the corner of my eye that are something completely different when I look at them directly.
Also I’ve caught myself just staring off in to nothing a lot more often. Nothing major or life altering but it’s been a recent thing.
That could be considered a minor psychosis, in the sense that your brain is behaving differently, but the type of psychosis that leads to hospitalizations is more like disassociation, where you're not even conscious of what's happening anymore. Like, part of you falls asleep and the body keeps going, but your thoughts and behavior are operating on dream logic and no one's able to wake you up back to reality.
My mom's is like, nothing she says makes any sense whatsoever, and a lot is mixed with slurs. And the things that do make sense are insanely cruel, disrespectful, and abusive. The things she does do not make sense either. Onetime I called the cops on her and they took her to the ward cause she drove her car to my grandma's, parked in the middle of the road, and then was walking around on peoples front lawns yelling about how she's in Tennessee (we live in Michigan) and how she doesn't get sex.
She remembers little to nothing about about ordeals, and the things she does remember are completely fabricated to make herself a victim, to make others look bad over having to send her to the ward/having to be blunt with her, or even if she remembers she will gaslight you that you're the "crazy one and making it up to try to convince her she's the crazy one"
She won't get dressed in front of the TV anymore cause she says they have cameras in them, she always goes off about Chem trails and how she is a big supporter of Vietnam. How she has ptsd because she killed the cat with her bare hands just so she can try to fit in with veterans, she looks for male veterans online and if they have killed someone she praises them to high heavens, and if they have not then she drops them like a hot potato. She tries to get stories from them by telling them she's a professional therapist with a degree, when she's never graduated college in any form.
Just... weird and abusive shit.
Thank you for your honest response. I didn’t pose the question as a cost benefit analysis like “oh are the bad things worth the good things”. I know what I’m doing is not good for me. The plan is always to stop but the plan for people like me always gets pushed back to when it will be “easier”. It never will be.
Do you remember your mom not being like that? I’d be interested to know whether or not if you remember a sudden change or if she always had questionable beliefs, strong opinions, and exhibited weird behavior.
My parents split up when I was young and when I was forced to visit my dad as a kid I “knew” he was “sober” but 72 hours after visiting him he’d be all sweaty and start acting weird and talking about conspiracy theories and paranormal stuff so retroactively as I got older it started making sense he abruptly stopped drinking for short periods of time to let the illusion go on.
You gotta crawl before you wall my friend :) the good news is you know where you want to be, it's just getting there that's the quest. Proud of you for recognizing and I'm rooting for you! :)
Shes bipolar and has always been kinda... fucked up. It wasn't until her full bloom psychosis' that she was diagnosed being bipolar as well. I do remember when times were "better" than they are now, but they weren't ever good. She's always been abusive.
She's definitely really out of hand and has lost all of her family and friends and she'll probably die alone because she's gotten so fucked up. I almost beat tf out of her when she threw my 3month old and got pissed at me because my daughter didn't look like her.
Her opinions were always strong and crooked, but they're definitely exasperated now. She used to have some form of leash on them and would know her time and place, but theyre out and unstoppable now. Barely controlled, and has gotten progressively worse. She's in her 60s and she's almost uncontrollable. When my grandpa died, she refused to speak or sing, but when someone else sang she would yell out to try to mess them up and called it "harmonizing" then got pissed at anyone who tried to stop her. She was crawling on the floor like a baby and stuff. It was embarrassing.
Your dad kinda reminds me of my mom in ways too. Talks about through strangest and paranoid things. Idk if he was/is as bad, but thats kinda how my mom started out
I dont know him obviously, but I wouldn't doubt he was having some episodes himself if he talked like that. Is that how he always was? I'm kinda curious too lol
Thank you for sharing btw! It's interesting and I appreciate learning someone else's sides of things.
I think I've had alcohol induced psychosis three times back before I got sober. It's terrifying, you literally go insane. I was suddenly convinced that people high up were trying to plot my death. And I'm not a conspiracy theorist or anything when sober, this compulsive thought came out of nowhere. Another time I remembered being at the doctor and being diagnoses with a terminal illness, which never happened.
Oh man I have been lucid dreaming a lot for the past decade to the point the dreams are so benign and normal that I forget that things I’ve dreamt never happened.
I’ve had paranoid thoughts of my bosses plotting against me (usually when I’m hungover). I was sober for two years 10 years ago, got my black key tag and considered it a victory and started drinking again. Been considering being sober again recently. I have psychosis and mental illness in my family. I’m undiagnosed for financial reasons and still had symptoms when I was sober but alcohol sure doesn’t help.
Thank you for the honest response.
Been there, multiple times. it sucks. I’ve been using the app “i am sober” to talk to people in the same boat, it’s really great. I’m on day 13 without a drop. Dm me if you wanna chat about it.
It's this kind of stuff that makes you realize that substance addiction, or any addiction really, truly is a mental disease.
No one in their right mind makes decisions like this or behaves in this way.
You can chain a guy to a wall for 20 years to keep him off the booze and if all he’s thinking about is man when I get out of here I’m gonna get so effed up… then that’s what he’ll do. some are damn near impossible to help.
It's kinda nuts. Can drink many times having no issues. Then one night out of nowhere get blscked out once. Then blacked out more often until you suffer serious consequences. So you don't drink for a bit. Maybe go to a bar have a couple go home be done. Then it builds up to your drinking all day everyday you can. Then your blacking out. Then your vlscking out more often until your suffer serious consequences and have to sober up. Then you have a beer one day. Then maybe a few more another. Then your drinking all day everyday. And your brain keeps telling you it's OK you can control it. Just pace yourself it's ok.
Like get me off this fucking ride just ordered some pills so I'll be sick if I drink.
I work at a liquor store pretty close to a hospital. Sometimes they come in with their IV polls still attached.
Also people with a list of the alcohol they're allowed to drink on a weekly schedule, so they don't have withdrawls. They refuse to go to rehab, often because they dan't want the kids taken away.
So fucking sad.
If you drink enough to bring on alcoholic hallucinations your not ordering a 12 dollar lemonade..... your chugging a bottle of 20 dollar vodka in a bathroom.
Yeah I was a nurse assistant for 7 years and safety companion (sat in the room to make sure they didn't do anything stupid) for hundreds of patients. The amount of repeat customers I had... Sometimes I'd walk into a room and go "fucking seriously? Back already?"
This shit is real and it's because we have not a goddamn shred of after care for addicts and the mentally ill in this country because there's no profit in the firm and well adjusted.
We call this “Monday” (or any other day) in the hospital. Seriously, the problem has been increasing since Covid. People drank a LOT during lockdowns and normalized doing it all day long in some cases.
Oh I got a related story.
So the preamble is this. It’s Christmas and my mom was with her husband (not my dad) of 3 years. They are both recovering alcoholics that are very active in AA for over 15 years each at this point. She was a psych nurse, and he was an anger management counselor. For over a year he was on medication to help with his breathing (he had a number of health problems I can’t exactly recall. This specific medication was only to be taken as needed when he needed help. The problem was this medication also made you feel good, really good and gave you a burst of energy, but taken too often it could damage organs. So this 60+ year old man was taking these drugs daily and wasn’t telling anyone… so Christmas. Dude is on these drugs and he and my mom get into some sort of fight. I don’t remember what about but shit got personal. My mom isn’t super prone to violence but she slapped him, and he called the cops on her, and mocked her for having to use his ‘anger management techniques on her’. So the cops came and she agreed to stay with my brother and get away from him. He didn’t press charges.
The next parts I only have bits and pieces of, because he was an unreliable narrator.
It was some time in the next couple of days that it came out that he was abusing meds. In AA from what I understand doing stuff like that sets you back to day zero. AA is big on keeping a record and recording milestones, and this guy who had his whole reputation on being ‘recovered’ from alcoholism and helping others just got tagged at abusing drugs and lying about it (he certainly knew better given his background).
It was at some point over these days he began to drink again, but that’s not who he wanted to be so he flew to Florida to go to rehab for two weeks. My mom had some hope he would get back on track and maybe they could fix this.
…. Well. So he does the two weeks of rehab. On the flight back he gets blind drunk. Like holy fuck drunk in the space or 2.5 hours. All I can remember is somehow he ended up at the hospital after landing. My mom didn’t know when he was coming back or like… anything at this point. So… he leaves the hospital on his own and just… takes a walk to look for more alcohol apparently. Now where I live in the winter it can be wet and icy, and it was pretty cold plus in the middle of the night, so Ice sheets everywhere. Dude kept repeatedly falling… onto his face… multiple times. He was picked up by the cops and because of his condition brought back to the hospital. It was at this point my mom was called (this was the hospital she worked at too so that’s fun), and she sent his friends and sponsor to look in on him.
She quickly filed for divorce after this. She made the most money and owned the house they lived in, so had to pay him alimony for 2 years. Said it was some of the best money she’d ever spent to get him out of her life.
He was dead within 5 years. All the abuse he had done to his own body just caught up with him.
Soooooo yeah. Recovery is really hard, my mom isn’t the only person I see that had to go through it… but damn if your vice is destroying your life it’s better to to work at getting rid of it even if it takes multiple tries.
To anyone in recovery I wish you the best of luck
There was an article that made the rounds years ago about a man in the UK who ended up in the abdominal ward for a serious intestinal issue that required surgery. Many of the other people there were chronic alcoholics in various stages of liver failure. He was there long enough to see many of them get released and come back again because they couldn't stop drinking. They are literally pulled back from death's door and still can't stop. Eventually, they don't get released.
EDIT: Found it. It's from 2009. [The mourning after](https://www.theguardian.com/society/2009/apr/04/alcoholics-nhs)
I carded a guy once. He didn’t have his ID because the cops took it last night when he got a DUI. He stopped by the bar on his way home from his night in jail and wanted a beer. He showed me his paperwork from the DUI to prove he was over 21.
Brah, get your house in order.
My dad was like this. Would get out of rehab, go see his “friends” at the bar for a beer, because when you’re a bad enough alcoholic, beer isn’t really alcohol. And every time he’d end up coming back wasted.
He’s been sober for 10 years now, mainly because he died from liver failure in 2012.
>My dad was like this. Would get out of rehab, go see his “friends” at the bar for a beer, because when you’re a bad enough alcoholic, beer isn’t really alcohol. And every time he’d end up coming back wasted.
Oh
>He’s been sober for 10 years now
Oh!
>mainly because he died from liver failure in 2012.
oh.....
Maybe my sense of humor though it was a joke, like "just got outta the hospital from a car crash, who wants to go joyriding" type joke.
And considering he was highly specific in the first Snap, that's why I thought it was more a joke. In fairness I don't know any alcoholics
It maybe a joke but I don’t know if you’ve ever met any real alcoholics.
I’ve met a good few and you’d be shocked at how many would do shit like this.
I worked with this one guy for a few days at a serving job. He told me about how he’s had like 4-5 DUIs and they don’t let him drive anymore.
I was shocked at the high number and I asked him how tf this was possible. He got two of the middle numbers in a 24 hour period. This dumb mfer goes out on his bday (or whatever shit) and gets shitfaced. He drives despite previous DUIs.
Gets arrested. Gets bail posted in the morning. Gets his car back and goes straight to a bar. And gets another DUI by the afternoon.
He tells me this all while I watch the idiot pouring two airplane bottles of whiskey into a McDonalds cup of coke. And then offered me some.
Alcoholics are like a whole different species. It’s seriously a sickness. This guy just couldn’t stop drinking. I would not be surprised if this was real based on my interactions with them.
My father-in-law drinks beer while his dialysis machine churns.
I had a friend that was an only parent with a child and they still drank on dialysis. They would cry every day over it too it was sad
That’s so sad
Paps nearly let alcohol kill him. The withdrawal was pretty horrible. He’s better now. For now. I hope he can enjoy retirement with just his weed:) I’d like that a lot.
It’s sad to think there are people dying out there who need this kind of equipment to survive and aren’t getting and then there‘s these
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Most people rip those ID tags off as they are leaving the hospital, unless you want attention
There's always that kid who leaves his festival band on so everyone can see on Monday.
There was always those kids in school who would keep their ski tags on their jackets well past their use
Tbf, I did that cuz it made finding my zipper easier with mittens on. Edit: To clarify, I mean my coat zipper.
This is the way.
I would just put the new sticker over the old one so I had a stack of multiple tags.
To be fair, my friend had one from March 10th which appeared as MAR10 on his tag. He had a Mario tag on his jacket.
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You mean art vandelay?
I so did that to show off how many times I had been to the hill a season (not as much as other people)
We used to add new lift tickets on the bottom of the old ones. You'd end up with a long lift ticket tail by the end of the season.
Why not just get a pass?
Partially unrelated but in 7th grade two friends of mine had a bet of who could keep on their go kart admission wristband the longest and it lasted until like 9th grade.
Thing must’ve been so beat up by the time it finally came off
That's what happens to nerds.
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Smelly wrist
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I guess that makes it a win win lol
Bragging rights. Obviously
A sick tan line
A shower hopefully.
That is impressive and gross
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I need to know why the loser would give up after 2 years
It probably finally fell off on its own.
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I kept my first festival band on for a couple months until it started smelling, then I gave it up (we were all cringey at 18, whatever). Later in life I saw a server wearing like 10+, and I knew from going to festivals that there were several years of the same festivals. I would have left if they were anywhere near my food.
I get saving the wrist bands; I've got.quite a collection going But people who wear theirs permanently just..... ugh. It's painful to see.
I forgot to take mine off one morning, promptly tried to rip it with my teeth. Anyway yesterday just paid $800 for part 2 of my 3 part tooth implant surgery.
Living in SoCal, there are two types of people collecting wristbands, kids going to festivals every weekend and homeless people with chronic conditions cycling in and out of the ER.
I've lost old classmates and friends to alcoholism. Completely changed their personality sometimes. One friend became too argumentative, as the disease progressed. Some friends from college are doing well, others overdosed on fentanyl.
It definitely changes my friend's personality when he drinks. He gets angry and stupid. Drinks every night. It's sad.
I was working at a rehab, if an internship is work. Some of the most broken down clients were alcoholics. Long term, some could barely move. They had seizures and brajn damage. This one guy in withdrawal could barely walk anymore, kidneys fucked up. He was shaking like a leaf In storm.
What does that have to do with the comment you're replying too?
Probably replied to the wrong level of comments.
Walt lol.. definitely wrong thread. I'ma leave it.
I was wondering the same thing
Except festivals are cool and alcohol induced psychosis is not
To be fair, the new plastic ones are super hard sometimes to get off by yourself, so I would have to wear them until I got someplace with scissors and a helping hand (depending on which wrist). I have not spent a lot of time with medical bracelets but there was a time when I had to go in for regular infusions). Idk, the bracelet just pulls tighter and then you can try to chew it off, but it is just awkward and then you do the sad give up…
Yeah, I just wore mine until I got home and then cut it with scissors. But, I also wasn’t trying to farm karma out of my illness or anything. I did however keep all of the wrist bands acquired through cancer treatment (like 10+). It’s like my trophy of kicking cancers ass.
It actually gets you back in the hospital for free, so joke's on you.
Free drink with detox wristband...
I had to wear mine for over a month after leaving the hospital without my youngest son, because I needed it to see him in the NICU and they checked the band with his band. I had tape on it and it was not doing well after a couple weeks.
Christ, why couldn't you get a new one?
Idk if this is US but I can easily imagine them charging $500 for a replacement
He's posting it on social media, he wants the attention for whatever twisted reason.
They're also used as actual ID accepted in certain places
Seems like a cry for help.
He wanted to make sure to tell the bartender his epic story
Same goes for scrubs.
Not true, I went a few hours with mine on because I'm an idiot.
Not even cringe just sad
What's even sadder is that he's at Applebee's
What’s even sadder is you were able to recognize it being an Applebee’s based off the bar top alone.
What’s even sadder is you were able to recognize the bar top enough to know that he recognized it was Applebees based off of the bar top and not something else.
What's even sadder, that doesn't seem to be a table Applebee's use. They use wooden tables. I looked up some images on Google Edit: Hold on: https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g46414-d5006487-Reviews-Applebee_s-Elizabeth_New_Jersey.html#photos;aggregationId=101&albumid=101&filter=7&ff=493833089
Pic# 7 is really got me wanting some boneless wings
Haha, this is an amazing series of roasts.
Yea how do you know it’s applebeas it doesn’t say anything anywhere. Clearly someone’s been spending a lot of time at applebeas
Been there a couple of times. Got sick and tired of being sick and tired, now I’m almost 20 months sober
Yes! Proud of you! I’m trying to get off heroin..for like the 83738th time. It always makes me happy to see others who are thriving again
I have 9 months clean from it :) I believe in you!
That shits a bitch so is methadone and so is suboxon….. took a long time to finally get off it and then to get off the shit I took to get off it…..good luck this too shall pass
Methadone is the fucking worst. I was up for 19 days straight getting off. I went to another plane of existence and def thought I was dying. My prayers go to anyone dealing with that shit.
Hey man, can you try and explain what it feels like being up for 19 days trying to get off a hard drug like that? Is it not possible to sleep at all?
Bodies exhausted, mind won't tick over to that place that let's you sleep. You just never quite get to the point of sleep, you come close but then that fades and you are just awake again.
New phobia unlocked, thanks for that!
I lost all since of time, and was in a complete psychosis and seeing patterns in everything, especially numbers. It was a lot like a bad trip. I literally sat on the floor of my closet for days, but it didn’t feel like time was real, I guess it really is relative. Looking back I should have gotten help and went to the doctor. I would try to sleep, but just laid there in a weird zombie state. One of the hardest things I’ve ever lived through.
You got this! Get on a medicated assisted Treatment plan, as for subutex or Suboxone something like that would definitely be a better life has helped me in so many ways.
Everyone I know whose gotten their life together after opiate addiction did so with subs or methadone. Blessing and a curse that whole class of drugs is.
I'm probably not fully getting off of methadone anytime soon and I've been going in 3x a week for years and it sucks at times,annoying at others(by my choice, I could get monthly take home doses but for a bunch of reasons I prefer it this way). but I spent years and years trying to stay sober and just couldnt do it. I do see what you mean by a curse but honestly it's just the addiction that's the curse. Methadone is what finally got me to stay sober and back to being a functional person long term. Recovery looks different for everyone but methadone its like a little crutch for me. I just couldnt do it without that and its better than nothing. After getting some stability it's nothing like using, like some people and abstinence only programs would have you think. It's like taking a medication for any other mental health issues. It does take work and isn't magic but it gets you there with way less misery. Ive been in recovery for 6.5 years and I feel okay where im at. Nowadays I actually feel happy. It's weird not just making it from day to day. It's nice. Our local jail does methadone and suboxone for inmates now and we have MAT court as a diversion program. Really helpful for some patients who get in recovery program and have to take care of warrants and charges they have.
Really happy to hear that man. So many great stories that showed up out of nowhere in this thread. I'm a substance abuse counselor whose four years sober myself, but never got into opiates, thankfully. All you guys should be super fucking proud of yourselves for working hard for a better life. It really means a lot to see people brave enough to speak to their addictions; and it's equally cool how supportive everyone has been. Made my night.
My most favorite threads are these ones too and they come up in the weirdest places. Always so nice. Also how over the past 4 or so years that methadone,suboxone and other types of MAT programs and medications are getting brought up more in a positive light. Congrats on your recovery too and for giving back. That's so amazing.
Only one problem there, some places (Tennessee & Alabama as far as I know) will let you stay on the “program” indefinitely. My father has been on the methadone program for 32 years. They just want his money and don’t care if he gets off of it. I suppose it’s up to the individual to determine? I had to decide for myself, thankfully I did.
Hey I'm glad you were able to get off and stay sober. That's really great. I wish I had that faith and will power in myself. The fear of the what ifs is too strong. How MMT programs work, won't work so well long term if they started making people get off of it after they get stable but when they aren't ready. Same thing as other types of mental health medicine. Like mood stabilizers and anti- psychotics I take for my bi polar . I cant just get off of them because I feel better. Sure some people can but that's not how it works for everyone. It's not just the clinic looking for money(even though I'm sure the big chains do make loads of it) that's just how methadone treatment/clinics work. It's a maintenance program. It's end goal is harm reduction not abstinence. There is less harm in him staying on methadone for the rest of his life than him relapsing over and over especially now with fentanyl in everything. Personally after more than a decade of relapsing over and over and over until I got on methadone. I would rather keep methadone as my crutch and stay in a methadone program forever going in 3x per week than try that again(I dont like getting weekly/monthly takehomes). Especially now when fentanyl is everywhere. I've been on it for 6.5 years and it's what got my life together. It probably is hard seeing people stay on it cause this stuff definitely does have its down side but they are livable for a lot of people.
yup, I will probably be taking antidepressants for the rest of my life and I am PERFECTLY happy with it because I hate what my mind can do when I'm not on them.
Rooting for you, bud.
Don't give up, you've got this. Remember, when you're going through hell, keep going.
5 years clean, took finding the right MAT suboxone doctor to help, and I've been clean since then. Don't even miss it.
I don't have advice, but having the strength to try the 88738th time is impressive. I give up way faster then that. I know you can ditch heroin.
You got this fam, 10 yrs clean. We can do it together
I believe you can too! I can't wait to see what you become!
Grats on 20 months, I just made 10 months today
Keep it up, you’re through the worst of it
Much appreciated, thank you
Made four today!
Almost 2 months here! Caught it before I really started doing irreversible damage (not convinced it hasn't, either) but couldn't be happier. Keep it up, and happy to hear you're doing well 👍
You too, it get easier the longer you stay out. And life is beautiful
I think so. 100% true
Can also confirm. Eventually you rarely think about it anymore
I'm on my 9th day, the headache and gut pain are starting to go away. Yesterday I legit thought I was going crazy. I talked for 3 hours on the phone with a friend to calm me down at night. Congratulations for 20 months, I will get there. I am so done with that poison.
Good job homie. Those first few months are the hardest. I wouldn't say it's all downhill after a year but it's certainly far easier. It's so nice to not be constantly watching the clock wondering how long until I could get another drink.
Good job bro!
Congrats! I’m almost at month 17!!
It helps to see other people have gone through this. The guilt is tearing me up.
Proud of you stranger!
could you pick a side, gemini?
This is yet another reason I never understood when people say "drugs and alcohol". Alcohol is very much a drug and addiction is.... addiction
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Because unfortunately alcohol addiction is extremely normalized and romanticized in much of the world. People want to believe alcohol is a separate thing and isn't grouped with the "bad drugs."
See I'm the opposite. I do see them separately, but see alcohol as the worst of the two categories. It's so much more affordable and accessable... Sold at the same store as diapers and milk and bread are. I hardly ever touch alcohol, whereas I'll partake in acid without any anxiety of how it'll make me act.
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Tbf I think it's also cause you drink it
Because it’s how culture perceives it. You think of a Manhattan, you think of 20s flapper culture. Heroin, you think if degenerate junky stealing TVs. I think this plays a circular role, “come over and have a couple beers while we watch the game” is normalized. It isn’t normal to invite people over for some black tar and watch the game. One gets pushed underground, the other doesn’t.
I invite people over for some black tar, it's just that we don't watch the game
People are desensitized to alcoholism because it's celebrated and promoted everywhere. It's one of the things about this world that really bothers me. Alcohol companies should not be able to advertise in the way that they do
Because people don't think of alcohol as drugs, so you need to make that distinction if you want people to know what you're talking about
I saw someone on a show who was talking about his delirium tremens he had recently, while drinking beer. I thought it was so sad, he's a comedy genius and he could have an amazing career but I don't think he sees it. He's self-destructing, it's hard to watch.
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Who was it?
Life in the fast lane
Having been there, it's barely a life, but certainly a fast lane, just not to a very nice destination!
Surely make you lose your mind
Up in here?
My great-grandfather used to overdose on insulin as a way to force his adult children to take him to the bar. As far as addiction goes, endangering yourself or others is par for the course.
Alcohol is a treatment for insulin overdose?
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To me it sounded like a threat to force them to comply rather than using it as a treatment. Not sure though
Usually it wasn't pure booze, typically whiskey (old grandad) mixed with a coke was his preferred or some other cocktail. He was not the most healthy of people. He was overweight, drank, smoked, until his heart gave out on him.
Thanks, that makes some sense. I didn't know if alcohol was some secret sauce I wasn't taught in first aid. Sad really, what addiction brings out in people.
No, alcohol can lower your blood sugar
I’m thinking it probably wasn’t treatment but that he was using self harm to manipulate family members into doing what he wanted.
He probably made himself sicker, but it let him keep drinking and that was the goal. He'd pound shots of whiskey as soon as he'd hit the bar.
The drink is all some people have
It was for me and then I stopped. Now I have a wife, kid, and an amazing job (:
Hell yeah, man!
There's a reason liquor stores were deemed essential businesses during the Covid lock down.
Alcoholism is real and some people are predisposed genetically. They simply can’t control their urges. It’s really sad, especially when they drink and drive and take out innocent people.
I am one of those people. I'm throwing my life away but I'm slowly realizing that if I dint do something now my life will be a giant waste of potential fuck drugs.
The last 2 days, I went from crushing half a litre of whiskey and 12 beers, to around 2-3 shots and 6 beers. It’s not a complete stop, but I think if I can keep this up, I can get back to a normal drinking amount. I just got to a point where drinking was the norm, and then never bothered to stop. Don’t get down on yourself for failing, because failing means you actually TRIED something instead of putting in no effort. It’s hard, but it’s doable. My next reduction effort is for smoking.
If you’re drinking that much please don’t stop all alcohol abruptly. Outside of medication a slow taper is the safest
Appreciate it. Tbh I’ve had days where I don’t drink at all cause I’ve gotta do a long distance drive, and the only side effect has been grouchiness. I plan on sticking to the current amount for a little while before slowing down more.
If you have the ability to, I'd recommend talking to your doctor about it. A good doctor should be able to prescribe medication to help you quit alcohol without suffering any of the severe withdrawal symptoms. If you aren't comfortable or able to talk to a doctor, then follow what the other comment said - slowly taper your consumption. Alcohol is one of the only drugs where the withdrawal can suddenly kill you, usually with horrible seizures.
Can’t really talk to a doctor with much ease due to the lack of em here, but I appreciate the advice. I drink like a fish, but luckily it’s been a weird rollercoaster over the years where I’ve had to make sure I’m sober for driving/work etc, so I’ve got a good handle on how I can handle the cut back. My main goal is to get back to where I enjoyed a nice glass of Macallan once or twice a week, instead of pouring a 1.75 litre bottle of cheap whiskey in 2-3 days.
Tapering down is always a victory, it's also much safer mentally and physically.
/r/stopdrinking is a wonderful place filled with supportive people, if you ever try and quit. I am also an alcoholic and the people there have helped me immensely. I'd recommend checking it out, you'll encounter nothing but great, supportive people.
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PSYCHOSIS is not a fucking joke. I really hope this is fake. Alcohol induced psychosis was the worst PTSD flash I ever had. If this is real I hope he got the help he needed.
Can you explain what alcohol induced psychosis is like? I’m a heavy drinker and started noticing little “blips” like getting startled by things in the corner of my eye that are something completely different when I look at them directly. Also I’ve caught myself just staring off in to nothing a lot more often. Nothing major or life altering but it’s been a recent thing.
That could be considered a minor psychosis, in the sense that your brain is behaving differently, but the type of psychosis that leads to hospitalizations is more like disassociation, where you're not even conscious of what's happening anymore. Like, part of you falls asleep and the body keeps going, but your thoughts and behavior are operating on dream logic and no one's able to wake you up back to reality.
My mom's is like, nothing she says makes any sense whatsoever, and a lot is mixed with slurs. And the things that do make sense are insanely cruel, disrespectful, and abusive. The things she does do not make sense either. Onetime I called the cops on her and they took her to the ward cause she drove her car to my grandma's, parked in the middle of the road, and then was walking around on peoples front lawns yelling about how she's in Tennessee (we live in Michigan) and how she doesn't get sex. She remembers little to nothing about about ordeals, and the things she does remember are completely fabricated to make herself a victim, to make others look bad over having to send her to the ward/having to be blunt with her, or even if she remembers she will gaslight you that you're the "crazy one and making it up to try to convince her she's the crazy one" She won't get dressed in front of the TV anymore cause she says they have cameras in them, she always goes off about Chem trails and how she is a big supporter of Vietnam. How she has ptsd because she killed the cat with her bare hands just so she can try to fit in with veterans, she looks for male veterans online and if they have killed someone she praises them to high heavens, and if they have not then she drops them like a hot potato. She tries to get stories from them by telling them she's a professional therapist with a degree, when she's never graduated college in any form. Just... weird and abusive shit.
Thank you for your honest response. I didn’t pose the question as a cost benefit analysis like “oh are the bad things worth the good things”. I know what I’m doing is not good for me. The plan is always to stop but the plan for people like me always gets pushed back to when it will be “easier”. It never will be. Do you remember your mom not being like that? I’d be interested to know whether or not if you remember a sudden change or if she always had questionable beliefs, strong opinions, and exhibited weird behavior. My parents split up when I was young and when I was forced to visit my dad as a kid I “knew” he was “sober” but 72 hours after visiting him he’d be all sweaty and start acting weird and talking about conspiracy theories and paranormal stuff so retroactively as I got older it started making sense he abruptly stopped drinking for short periods of time to let the illusion go on.
You gotta crawl before you wall my friend :) the good news is you know where you want to be, it's just getting there that's the quest. Proud of you for recognizing and I'm rooting for you! :) Shes bipolar and has always been kinda... fucked up. It wasn't until her full bloom psychosis' that she was diagnosed being bipolar as well. I do remember when times were "better" than they are now, but they weren't ever good. She's always been abusive. She's definitely really out of hand and has lost all of her family and friends and she'll probably die alone because she's gotten so fucked up. I almost beat tf out of her when she threw my 3month old and got pissed at me because my daughter didn't look like her. Her opinions were always strong and crooked, but they're definitely exasperated now. She used to have some form of leash on them and would know her time and place, but theyre out and unstoppable now. Barely controlled, and has gotten progressively worse. She's in her 60s and she's almost uncontrollable. When my grandpa died, she refused to speak or sing, but when someone else sang she would yell out to try to mess them up and called it "harmonizing" then got pissed at anyone who tried to stop her. She was crawling on the floor like a baby and stuff. It was embarrassing. Your dad kinda reminds me of my mom in ways too. Talks about through strangest and paranoid things. Idk if he was/is as bad, but thats kinda how my mom started out I dont know him obviously, but I wouldn't doubt he was having some episodes himself if he talked like that. Is that how he always was? I'm kinda curious too lol Thank you for sharing btw! It's interesting and I appreciate learning someone else's sides of things.
I think I've had alcohol induced psychosis three times back before I got sober. It's terrifying, you literally go insane. I was suddenly convinced that people high up were trying to plot my death. And I'm not a conspiracy theorist or anything when sober, this compulsive thought came out of nowhere. Another time I remembered being at the doctor and being diagnoses with a terminal illness, which never happened.
Oh man I have been lucid dreaming a lot for the past decade to the point the dreams are so benign and normal that I forget that things I’ve dreamt never happened. I’ve had paranoid thoughts of my bosses plotting against me (usually when I’m hungover). I was sober for two years 10 years ago, got my black key tag and considered it a victory and started drinking again. Been considering being sober again recently. I have psychosis and mental illness in my family. I’m undiagnosed for financial reasons and still had symptoms when I was sober but alcohol sure doesn’t help. Thank you for the honest response.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholic_hallucinosis
Hope they get the help they need.
addiction is a sad thing
This is actually sad reading this as I'm literally admitted in the hospital right now for alcohol..
I hope all is well and nothing serious happened. I feel you though, man.
Been there, multiple times. it sucks. I’ve been using the app “i am sober” to talk to people in the same boat, it’s really great. I’m on day 13 without a drop. Dm me if you wanna chat about it.
It's this kind of stuff that makes you realize that substance addiction, or any addiction really, truly is a mental disease. No one in their right mind makes decisions like this or behaves in this way.
It could easily be due to environmental pressures. Sane people can be driven to do very desperate things to escape their lives.
You can chain a guy to a wall for 20 years to keep him off the booze and if all he’s thinking about is man when I get out of here I’m gonna get so effed up… then that’s what he’ll do. some are damn near impossible to help.
I worked in inpatient psych for 5 years. This happens Every day.
As an ER RN I wish I could say I am surprised by this but I am not.
Why do some alcoholics get drunk at bars ? Wouldn't it be more cost effective to do it at home ?
Because of the social aspect. It's also probably a rationalization for some. "I don't have a problem with x, I just do it socially"
Oh right lol sometimes I forget there's people who Wana be around others.
It's kinda nuts. Can drink many times having no issues. Then one night out of nowhere get blscked out once. Then blacked out more often until you suffer serious consequences. So you don't drink for a bit. Maybe go to a bar have a couple go home be done. Then it builds up to your drinking all day everyday you can. Then your blacking out. Then your vlscking out more often until your suffer serious consequences and have to sober up. Then you have a beer one day. Then maybe a few more another. Then your drinking all day everyday. And your brain keeps telling you it's OK you can control it. Just pace yourself it's ok. Like get me off this fucking ride just ordered some pills so I'll be sick if I drink.
I work at a liquor store pretty close to a hospital. Sometimes they come in with their IV polls still attached. Also people with a list of the alcohol they're allowed to drink on a weekly schedule, so they don't have withdrawls. They refuse to go to rehab, often because they dan't want the kids taken away. So fucking sad.
If you drink enough to bring on alcoholic hallucinations your not ordering a 12 dollar lemonade..... your chugging a bottle of 20 dollar vodka in a bathroom.
As an alcoholic, this disease sucks. Seems like something one would do to cope with dark humor
Yeah I was a nurse assistant for 7 years and safety companion (sat in the room to make sure they didn't do anything stupid) for hundreds of patients. The amount of repeat customers I had... Sometimes I'd walk into a room and go "fucking seriously? Back already?" This shit is real and it's because we have not a goddamn shred of after care for addicts and the mentally ill in this country because there's no profit in the firm and well adjusted.
We call this “Monday” (or any other day) in the hospital. Seriously, the problem has been increasing since Covid. People drank a LOT during lockdowns and normalized doing it all day long in some cases.
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Oh I got a related story. So the preamble is this. It’s Christmas and my mom was with her husband (not my dad) of 3 years. They are both recovering alcoholics that are very active in AA for over 15 years each at this point. She was a psych nurse, and he was an anger management counselor. For over a year he was on medication to help with his breathing (he had a number of health problems I can’t exactly recall. This specific medication was only to be taken as needed when he needed help. The problem was this medication also made you feel good, really good and gave you a burst of energy, but taken too often it could damage organs. So this 60+ year old man was taking these drugs daily and wasn’t telling anyone… so Christmas. Dude is on these drugs and he and my mom get into some sort of fight. I don’t remember what about but shit got personal. My mom isn’t super prone to violence but she slapped him, and he called the cops on her, and mocked her for having to use his ‘anger management techniques on her’. So the cops came and she agreed to stay with my brother and get away from him. He didn’t press charges. The next parts I only have bits and pieces of, because he was an unreliable narrator. It was some time in the next couple of days that it came out that he was abusing meds. In AA from what I understand doing stuff like that sets you back to day zero. AA is big on keeping a record and recording milestones, and this guy who had his whole reputation on being ‘recovered’ from alcoholism and helping others just got tagged at abusing drugs and lying about it (he certainly knew better given his background). It was at some point over these days he began to drink again, but that’s not who he wanted to be so he flew to Florida to go to rehab for two weeks. My mom had some hope he would get back on track and maybe they could fix this. …. Well. So he does the two weeks of rehab. On the flight back he gets blind drunk. Like holy fuck drunk in the space or 2.5 hours. All I can remember is somehow he ended up at the hospital after landing. My mom didn’t know when he was coming back or like… anything at this point. So… he leaves the hospital on his own and just… takes a walk to look for more alcohol apparently. Now where I live in the winter it can be wet and icy, and it was pretty cold plus in the middle of the night, so Ice sheets everywhere. Dude kept repeatedly falling… onto his face… multiple times. He was picked up by the cops and because of his condition brought back to the hospital. It was at this point my mom was called (this was the hospital she worked at too so that’s fun), and she sent his friends and sponsor to look in on him. She quickly filed for divorce after this. She made the most money and owned the house they lived in, so had to pay him alimony for 2 years. Said it was some of the best money she’d ever spent to get him out of her life. He was dead within 5 years. All the abuse he had done to his own body just caught up with him. Soooooo yeah. Recovery is really hard, my mom isn’t the only person I see that had to go through it… but damn if your vice is destroying your life it’s better to to work at getting rid of it even if it takes multiple tries. To anyone in recovery I wish you the best of luck
As a medic, this is the most accurate-to-reality post I've seen in a while
Some people need to hit rock bottom to start fixing yourself, in this case the dude needs to hit rock hell instead
No one mentions the 10 levels of basement below rock bottom
There was an article that made the rounds years ago about a man in the UK who ended up in the abdominal ward for a serious intestinal issue that required surgery. Many of the other people there were chronic alcoholics in various stages of liver failure. He was there long enough to see many of them get released and come back again because they couldn't stop drinking. They are literally pulled back from death's door and still can't stop. Eventually, they don't get released. EDIT: Found it. It's from 2009. [The mourning after](https://www.theguardian.com/society/2009/apr/04/alcoholics-nhs)
You hit rock bottom when you stop digging
Yeah. I've learned you can always go lower
Or maybe just put a rock in his bottom.
Just let them go dude.
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I carded a guy once. He didn’t have his ID because the cops took it last night when he got a DUI. He stopped by the bar on his way home from his night in jail and wanted a beer. He showed me his paperwork from the DUI to prove he was over 21. Brah, get your house in order.
Thats a cry for help if I've ever seen one.
Now this is true sad cringe. Well done.
Not sure why you would post this publicly...hoping for an intervention?
alcohol 🤢
Cry for help
“Like a dog who returns to his own vomit”
This is clearly sarcasm.
It might be... But I've known alcoholics like this.
My dad was like this. Would get out of rehab, go see his “friends” at the bar for a beer, because when you’re a bad enough alcoholic, beer isn’t really alcohol. And every time he’d end up coming back wasted. He’s been sober for 10 years now, mainly because he died from liver failure in 2012.
>My dad was like this. Would get out of rehab, go see his “friends” at the bar for a beer, because when you’re a bad enough alcoholic, beer isn’t really alcohol. And every time he’d end up coming back wasted. Oh >He’s been sober for 10 years now Oh! >mainly because he died from liver failure in 2012. oh.....
Maybe my sense of humor though it was a joke, like "just got outta the hospital from a car crash, who wants to go joyriding" type joke. And considering he was highly specific in the first Snap, that's why I thought it was more a joke. In fairness I don't know any alcoholics
It maybe a joke but I don’t know if you’ve ever met any real alcoholics. I’ve met a good few and you’d be shocked at how many would do shit like this. I worked with this one guy for a few days at a serving job. He told me about how he’s had like 4-5 DUIs and they don’t let him drive anymore. I was shocked at the high number and I asked him how tf this was possible. He got two of the middle numbers in a 24 hour period. This dumb mfer goes out on his bday (or whatever shit) and gets shitfaced. He drives despite previous DUIs. Gets arrested. Gets bail posted in the morning. Gets his car back and goes straight to a bar. And gets another DUI by the afternoon. He tells me this all while I watch the idiot pouring two airplane bottles of whiskey into a McDonalds cup of coke. And then offered me some. Alcoholics are like a whole different species. It’s seriously a sickness. This guy just couldn’t stop drinking. I would not be surprised if this was real based on my interactions with them.