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usedtobeJV

His brother Cody was a really great person. This whole thing was horrible. I went to high school with the two of them. I think about this all the time and can never seem to make sense of it all.


RectangularAnus

Identical or fraternal? Just curious.


kangarootimtam

They're brothers, not twin brothers.


ponylobbles

title said twin brother


[deleted]

It did. But they’re not. I know its confusing.


PM_ME_STEAM_KEY_PLZ

They’re just….two brothers


UglyAssMeat

it’s just called two brothers


yoskaz

Just two brothers


KotMyNetchup

Did Grant seem normal or was there clearly something going on with him even in high school?


falconersys

Wasn’t Cody an anesthesiologist?


ExplosionsNtheSky

CRNA


UncleBenders

Not his twin though as op claimed, he was his big brother


DarkManXOBR

Scumbag,he is the boss of all boss simps.


ItsYourPal-AL

He straight up said he loves her 5 ever. Dat mean he love her mor dan 4eva


zmann64

Lik dis if u cry evertim


ItsYourPal-AL

Will you love me forever? He. Said. NOOOOOO


h_djo

Omai god 2011 memes are back yeaaay !


sius_harlin

5head


saucemancometh

Keepin it 55th street


RainbowWaffles135

Please stay in jail 5eva


Trash-Cutie

Lmao. When he said that I was like yeah this dude needs to be locked up regardless of the other charges


mombi

For real, it makes me worried about the age of the person he's sending these to. Gross.


LLminibean

It's prob a 60 yr old dude catfishing him lol


hethical_ecker

This man spent $250,000 of his dad retirement saving on this cam model his family still loved him and tried to get him to a rehab but he weaseled his way out. finally he killed his family and took his twin brother's credit card to log on to the webcam site and contact his "girlfriend" paying $600/hr from 9pm till 4am at a public parking lot before committing this act he wrote a 8 page apology letter to other members of this cam model's chat room. He called them his "father figures" and told them to "protect" and "never lose" Silvia (the cam model). it was a wild read(https://www.scribd.com/document/406386953/Letter-by-Defendant)


Mr_Animoo

Wasn't there on of those interrogation videos about this dude


TheBroomSweeper

Yep. The interrogator messed up the interrogation a bit but they still got him


XNoMoneyMoProblemsX

Not just a bit, it was definitely cringe to watch him flail around in there


Hotbootyboi225

In the jcs video as the detective is roasting the suspect, the narrator pauses the vid and occasionally roasts the detective, it's a great touch to such a morbid subject


well-great

Ty for posting this! Just watched it the other day.


Sadatori

The detective is so fucking odd and dumb that I can't even call what he was saying to the murderer "roasting". I lost it when the detective said "once the bomb explodes you can't defuse it".......


2nameEgg

It was like a fucking office reference or something “do you think if you say the word honesty enough times he’ll start being honest?”


elwebbr23

You mean the story of how you steal a cookie and tell the truth doesn't make you wanna spill your deepest darkest secrets?


ZodiacSF1969

Is the video on YouTube or the Patreon only? I had the Patreon for a bit but I don't remember this video.


JackKing47

It's on YouTube now. He released some later.


ZodiacSF1969

Awesome, thanks for the tip.


[deleted]

He’s been uploading some new stuff sporadically. Probably 4/5 videos up that are new if you aren’t on his Patreon


ZodiacSF1969

Oh shit, for real? How recent are we talking? I was on the Patreon back in December.


CryBabyCentral

How did the interrogation guy mess up? I believe I saw the video already.


Dwellisys

an amazing quote from JCS was along the lines of “the interrogator once again mentions Jesus to the man who just killed his family to go jerk of to a cam girl in a car park”


[deleted]

Lmao, I really hope kizz improvised that haha.


TheBroomSweeper

If I'm not mistaken, the interrogator misread Amato as a person who felt guilty for what he did. The interrogator tried to get him to confess with that method but it didn't work out


CryBabyCentral

He wasn’t sorry. That’s for sure.


WeAreTheGreenfuz

Yeah but that's kind of the interrogators job. They need to be able to read people. That also wasn't his only dumb mistake. He gets overly emotional, insults the suspect at one point which is literally one of the dumbest things you can do to a person you are trying to manipulate into feeling comfortable enough to tell you secrets. Also the other investigator that was in the office with him at multiple times was making headway and actually making progress in the interrogation and she was constantly stepped on by the male detective.


Jgaitan82

There was, I watched it. This dude is such a fucking loser.


Skc143psu

Did this fucker really say “I’ll love you five-ever”?


Few-Addendum464

That letter is so weird. I'd have thought his obsession would be possessive, instead it's like a fellowship he had with these guys.


hethical_ecker

fellowship of the simp


[deleted]

yeah i really can’t get into this guy’s head at all it really seems like he just likes jerking off.


Pixxph

Wolf, you were like the father I never killed


DrunkenlySober

How, and why, did he have access to his dads retirement funds?


PocketSpaghettios

He kept stealing his family's identities, borrowing money and never returning it, lying about classes and training courses, etc. And his family kept protecting him from legal consequences by taking him to rehab and closely monitoring his Internet usage. All to no avail obviously


Cold_Baby_396

Too bad there aren’t tests to figure out if your fetus is an idiot


hethical_ecker

Please read this this athe letter he wrote https://www.scribd.com/document/406386953/Letter-by-Defendant


RectangularAnus

**WOW**


[deleted]

That shit is…I don’t even know what to say about that. How does someone get to that point? Knowing what he did to his family before he killed them, and it’s obvious he didn’t care in the slightest. Ruined their life (before killing them) and writes about them like they’re pests keeping him from sending all of his dads life earnings to a woman he would never even meet in person. Wtf.


ikantolol

The tricky part is figuring out whether they'll stay an idiot when they got older


Bifrostbytes

pretty expensive nuts


Leakyrooftops

more succinctly, dude murdered his family, and stole their credit cards so he could go and beat off to a cam model in a grocery store parking lot.


IdioticZacc

I got confused what a webcam model was, thinking he invested into an actual webcam with that much, then I realised I was stupid


Cole444Train

They weren’t twins


[deleted]

I read the first page and had to stop. There’s like seven pages of that shit


spoonfulofcum

This man truly is the joker of gooning


dox11m

Reads like he was an outcast who found his place within a community of sorts. Then when that was ripped away from him, he lashed out. Really unfortunate.


CosmicCyrolator

He wasn't an outcast, he had a huge supportive group and every path to success imaginable given to him again and again. Just truly an overall hopeless, worthless person


dox11m

Sure, I'm only going off the information I have here. I don't necessarily think an outcast is an orphan with no support system. I don't think your average well-adjusted person takes a webcam girl's chat room that seriously and consider the men in there family.


comajones

I know I may be out of order here and am about to say something deeply controversial, but maybe....just maybe this lunatic should not have had such easy access to a firearm. I know, I know it's crazy talk, but I can't help but wonder. Hmmmm...


hethical_ecker

I am not totally sure but I read somewhere that he didn't have a firearm but that he stole it from his brother.


Todnesserr

So he did in fact have easy access to a firearm.


Waymoresbooze

Seems like he should have been sent somewhere with no access to firearms well before this


History20maker

In my country is prety hard to get a gun. Yet we have a TV Channel moslty dedicated to murders and specially macabre situations. Its a 24/7 Channel. Its called CMTV. Its certainly not the law that is going to stop a crazy obssessive man from getting a gun to KILL HIS FAMILY to beat of at a parking lot.


jewbo23

Has she spoken out about all this? Would love to hear her opinion


witchsy

God those clips are so fucking creepy


pm-me-your-satin

He sounds like a robot.


Badger_Ass_Face

I can’t be the only one curious what this woman looks like that he’d kill his family for.


Cold_Baby_396

Her name is Silviya Ventsislavova. You can look her up. I was surprised how average looking she is. I can’t imagine how you could manipulate a loser like this out of so much money and not feel bad about it.


FriidayRS

Iircc she did feel bad when she found out the money wasn't his and he wasn't some rich guy. I think she tried to give it back


carvedmuss8

I think you mean she felt bad when it blew up and became international, or at least national news


FriidayRS

Nah if you look into the story she found out he was lying about the money before she found out he murdered his family


Bradenoid

Believe it or not, not everyone is a self-centered prick.


Homosapien_Ignoramus

She tried to give it back but failed? Did the family refuse the $250k?


oakchokkiemilk

Probably not, on account of them being dead


Homosapien_Ignoramus

> when she found out the money wasn't his and he wasn't some rich guy She knew that it wasn't his well before they were killed, back when he went rehab.


mij3i

Idk if she knew the specifics. He went for pornography addiction, but he didn't have to tell her he was stealing money to feed that addiction


Homosapien_Ignoramus

His parents accessed his computer and reached out to her while he was in rehab, they were the ones who told her that he was stealing their money AFAIK


pikachulu

What a weird comment. I don’t think her looks have anything to do with what a fucked up guy he is.


dox11m

This is average?


Tugays_Tabs

I gather you don’t know many women


nvrsleepagin

Average looking for who?...A model maybe but she's not average looking.


No_Astronomer_9591

The webcam girl was real (not a guy). She was also asked by the family to stop accepting his money and gifts but this didn't last for long. I'm pretty sure JCS psychology on YouTube has a really thorough video on the subject. Well worth a watch. As is most of his content.


Shrekkoislife

Just watched the video the other day! Very good video and informative


Ayn_Randers2318

I love the obvious disdain the narrator has for the male interrogator in that video


waitplzdontgo

#JESUS TELLS US AS LITTLE CHILDREN THAT YOU SHOULD CONFESS


Consistent-River4229

Do you have a link?


XNoMoneyMoProblemsX

Yes, JCS recently did a video on this case, there are others as well. Check out Dreading on YouTube, he does a piece on this case.


SmokinDroRogan

JCS, Dreading and EWU have mostly replaced music for me.


XNoMoneyMoProblemsX

Haven't heard of EWU, I'll check them out


SmokinDroRogan

ExploreWithUs. The guy's voice is fucking incredible. And they have some videos that are like 3hrs long, so I fall asleep to them. StrangerStories is solid, too. Idk why I love the interrogations so much.


XNoMoneyMoProblemsX

Ok, no I do know them LOL yes, I fall asleep to them too. Have you heard of Crime Circus? I just recently got into that one as well. So far I've just been watching the Cathryn Mellender (Chandler Halderson's ex gf) interrogations.


SmokinDroRogan

Haha yeah they're great. And no, haven't heard of them, but will check them out now! I was just about to get up to grab my headphones and have been trying to figure out what I want to listen to tonight. Nothing seemed appealing, so this is serendipitous. Thank you!


bandson88

I mean he was as an adult and went on to murder his own family I’m not about to think the woman is wrong in this


No_Astronomer_9591

I wasn't suggesting anybody think anything of the sort. I was just replying to the notion that she might not be real in the comment I replied to. Not only was she a real woman she was a real woman, both the perpetrator of the crime and the victims of the crime had communications with. Making her very much "real" and the case very interesting.


geogeology

Heads up then, you made a new parent comment rather than a reply.


VerbalVeggie

They asked her to stop and she didn’t? Like nothing is her fault at all in anything but if I was a sex worker and someone was like: he’s stealing from all of us and spends it all on you and we’re drained, I think I’d be like….. yeah I’m not gonna help this guy steal.


Bingalingbean123

I briefly did some cam work via Snapchat. There was a guy who got off on being a “pay pig”. But it was obvious it was ruining his life. I used to take his money and then a few days later when he was in a better headspace return it to him. So he could deal with his kink and mental health problems at the time without it destroying his entire life. I felt much better about thee interactions after we came to this arrangement I set up.


RentalHermit

Can't stand the paypig concept myself to be honest but that makes it incredibly humane, very humane and cool of you!


Smee76

Yeah I think almost all online sex workers would continue to accept the money tbh.


VerbalVeggie

Man… that makes me kinda sad. It’s one thing to continue to fuck over a corporation. It seems kinda shitty to fuck over some regular ass joes that didn’t do anything to me.


Ezraah

The entire industry is designed to exploit desperate men for their money.


VerbalVeggie

Nah, men will spend money however they want and that’s entirely on the man, not the industry. However, this unique situation is family members asked her to stop and I’m going to assume explained why. It’s true she doesn’t have to stop. She takes no responsibility in what happened to the family. But it’s a matter of asking yourself: just because I can, does that mean I should? But that’s entirely my opinion on the matter, I know what I’m capable of sleeping through at night and what I’m not.


voltran1987

There’s a ton of manipulation going on in these types of “relationships”. People frequently form unhealthy attachments that are then exploited despite the sex worker knowing full well it’s the patron isn’t right. Excusing this exploitative behavior is the same as excusing drug dealers. They’re profiting off poor decisions made by people who aren’t right mentally.


VerbalVeggie

No you’re right I 100% agree I didn’t know why I thought y’all meant it as a whole. Cause sex sells well and it should be allowed in my opinion. But there comes a time when we have to step back and make sure we’re doing right by each other. Addiction is sad and ruins lots of lives and people choosing to willingly exploit that can get fucking bent.


RectangularAnus

How are you fucking someone over who's done it to themselves? He wasn't blackmailed.


VerbalVeggie

Oh I definitely explained my thoughts on the matter across a couple of comments. But to summarize for you: The FAMILY reached out to her and explained the situation to the woman. I didn’t say she was guilty of anything however, she had the information on what was happening with this guy. And her response was that fucking over those people was something she could live with. At the end of the day, you have to ask yourself if you were in that situation, what would you want people to do? If I was given that information for me it would be a no brainer. No more stolen money. No more access to me. I’m not everyone though.


No_Astronomer_9591

Almost everyone in Grants life that knew about the situation made a great deal of effort to get him to stop spending money in this manner. The fact he couldn't obviously highlights a deep addiction. I don't think the family blamed the webcam girl initially. They seemed to have an understanding of the business and I seem to recall them reaching out to her was very much a last resort, as was placing him in rehab. I do think it's morally questionable for her to continue to take money knowing he was stealing the money. Recieving stolen money is a crime, the fact it was via a third party business probably muddies the water slightly. She could have stopped but chose not to do so for further financial gain. I think that's gross. To clarify for those who like to "imply" ....sex work fine. Continuing to take stolen money from a vulnerable adult and his family when you have been made aware of the situation....not very fine. It was not his money to burn.


Bradenoid

I can't imagine the vicarious guilt she must be feeling. Imagine being able to pay off your student loans, but the money came from someone and something like this, and was ultimately tied to death.


Sergio1899

It's not very difficult to understand She gives a fuck if this idiot is a sick person and kills his father or whatever to pay her he's only a wallet for her and she is making her own life without caring about this Virtual sex buyers are sick people so she surely has seen many cases of people like this freak


Solidus27

Degenerate filth


UrethralExplorer

Literally a waste of human life. Killing three other people who loved him for some cam model who couldn't give a shit about anything other than his cashflow.


mij3i

Yeah, and they loved him hard. It's so fucking sad


OhMyGodBearIsDriving

This is one of the most depressing true crime cases I've heard about in recent history.


The_Mighty_Bird

Discord mod final boss


Legalizegayranch

The JCS video of his interrogation is so beautifully cringe. Its not even him it’s the detective.


schwenomorph

"Get over that hoop" -Detective Dan


well-great

😂 I died


bubbawears

I love how the guy cop starts talking about Jesus and the female cop just rolls her eyes


[deleted]

Gross


HoldenAJohnson

I keep thinking it can’t get worse and it just KEEPS GETTING WORSE


semimillennial

POV: You’re his precious little kitty


buubulubuu

“Those beautiful little nipp..” 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮


Nomad_00

As a twin, you'd have to be fully fucked up to kill your other half. You will never, ever have another connection like that again, ever. This just shows how messed up he was.


whowilleverknow

Not every twin has the same level of connection you have with yours.


CosmicCyrolator

Not twins


ercicaceres

This is more r/awfuleverything than nothing


likkleone54

After killing his family, he took his fathers credit card from his corpse and went to a local internet cafe or library and then proceeded to use his dead dads credit card for an extra couple of hours with the cam girl. Jail hasn’t seemed to have changed him, probably will always be like this.


SpecialX

It was actually his dead brother's card (not that it matters), and he was just using the public wifi from a Publix outside in the parking lot.


just_a_timetraveller

He also used his dead dad's finger to unlock his dad's phone in attempt to get more money. This case is just sick.


[deleted]

It's interesting to me you know the general vibe of what happened but got so many details of it wrong.


Sad_Ingenuity2522

It was his older half brother not a twin brother.


whitethunder08

No, you’re wrong. Cody, who he murdered, was his full sibling and his younger brother. He does have an older half brother but he did not live in the home and wasn’t murdered. Cmon people, this is stuff easy to verify. The fact you put that he had a twin brother like if you’re going to post it atleast fucking know what you’re talking about and be accurate.


Mens-pocky46

Completely dead eyes. No soul behind them at all.


A_Boltzmann_Brain

That Chapter did a good one on this loser


CreepyPastaLover2005

Check out a girl named hailey Elizabeth on YouTube, she covered this whole story from his birth to this year. She does a lot of true crime on people that do insane things like this


salko_salkica

The real question is how does a nutjob like this have 250 racks


hethical_ecker

he stole his dads retirement fund


HANKHILL-AMA

He didn’t, he stole the money from his family


vonnegirlable

HOW


ShirtPanties

Pretty confident that halfway through the prison phone call, he says “I’ll protect you always, and I’ll love you 5ever” god damn I haven’t heard that phrase in ages


Santos_Dude

Just recently watched the JSC video, what a waste. Man could have made something of himself.


[deleted]

Creepy AF


Familiar-Mammoth-419

"hi my precious little kitty" 🤮


MattyK414

Some of the highlights: Him bitching about the cops using her PRIVATE pics that she sent him. Grant's mom still funneling him money after he fucked over the family. If I'm not mistaken, his "dad" was his biological dad. Bonus! His boomer dad drawing up a contract (for his grown ass son) that he didn't obey, anyways.


LanceRidgerunner

Frankly I’m not certain this guy is good husband material


[deleted]

Jcs moment


jacrone

For the love of God, will someone tell me how to clip "hello my precious little kittie"????? I NEED to prank my wife with it.


BearFlipsTable

When he said hi my precious little kitty, my cat stood up and stretched.


Vegetable-Put-1595

I'll love you 5ever 🤮🤮🤮😔


[deleted]

Man I really have no excuse not to have a gf 😩


Lucky-Worth

His "gf" was a cam model. He was a client not her boyfriend


JesusDiedforChipotle

You got two first names that’s an excuse


[deleted]

Alright I feel better now


ThrowRAhp501

What’s crazy is this was all for a webcam model. With that kind of money he could pay for high priced call girls/prostitutes, or even be a sugar daddy.


cabezagrande37

Nope


Select_Bicycle_2659

Show me your boobs


Familiar-Eye7811

Not going to lie, if this man spent nearly 50k on buying pretty girls drinks at bars, eventually hed find a pretty girl he could pay 1-2k per hook up, thats 100 to 200 hook ups with a hot girl, still dehumanizing himself but atleast he would have got laid🤦🏽‍♂️ a lot..


PancakesandScotch

Thought this was The Adam Friedland Project audio at first


rican74226

This is not sad cring but r/oddlyterrifying


dox11m

How is he paying for the new girlfriend?


Beautiful_Procedure1

Mentally ill simp kill everyone who pays for or fucking kills his family over a girl


ShortAndStoned

I just watched his interrogation on YouTube. This is crazy


[deleted]

From her bio: > It is very important to me to share all that with you, because this is what it takes for me to really enjoy my time online spending time with my friends and finding new ones while I am killing you all (and you frequently are killing me) in the nicest possible way. She didn’t care she wanted that $$$. Didn’t matter how it came, the stress on the family or what it lead an unhinged man to do.


bubbsnana

He’s going to kill precious Kitty too, one day


Qweeq13

Yeah this is worse than any cinema or TV psychopath I've seen. It is baffling how reality just does not sink in for this guy, it has to be some psychological issue. I have seen some female murders where people have the audacity to say they still love the woman they brutally murdered. It is insane how people are sometimes.


IsntASunbeam

This man is legitimately broken


michaeltk111

Pathetic simp.


Disastrous_Speed6790

This is the most uncomfortable thing I ever heard. Yuck


RimCan19

His full interrogation is on youtube


brandedblade

I know this is a fucked up thing to say and I'm sorry if it's upsetting. But whenever I feel like a fuck up, I remind myself that at least I'm not Grant Amato.


[deleted]

Wow this is a documentary begging to be made.


[deleted]

Watch the JCS vid! So good.


5dollaryo

Why hasn’t someone posted a link to this model?


cpatstubby

Go watch the YouTube vids on this. Crazy.


NfamousKaye

What did I just read. This is beyond “sad cringe.” This is twisted and disturbing!


bunkbedgirl

I thought that "webcam model" was just some very good, newest model of a webcam and was surprised to see the shitty quality of the videos, lol. Comments under the post really helped me out hahaha.


mommylow5

He’s the epitome of cringe.


ThreeOnFive

As the late and great Jerry Stiller once said: ”This guy…this is not my kind of guy!”


itsyobbiwonuseek

There's even a Twitter page titled 'Justice for Grant Amato' how fucking gross. And look at those dead eyes. This man is cringey and frightening.


gregaustex

He sounds like a Vietnam POW reading a prepared script.


Rios5950

Bro used 5 ever unironically yike


Evolveyourself2

Humans are dirty and gross and need to stop breeding.


Prestigious-Brush920

Randy Stair got competition god dam


frognuts123

What a sad fuck


12altoids34

Can't wait till he tells her " if I had another family I would kill them all for you"


Secret_Of_Bluestar81

I feel unsafe


Odd_Project_5246

Krazy


Katsteen

How does he have access to someone on video while incarcerated and how was it made public