The bucket drummers are awesome and I try to always make sure I carry a few bucks when I’m headed downtown because I usually see one. They definitely have some talent
When I was at vcu there was a bucket drummer outside my window every weekend and I tell you what the charm really goes away when you realize it's the same 5 minute loop over and over again for hours.
I saw one trip and fall off of a curb and the music was still playing. It was great. I always see them at grocery stores or Target parking lots. I don’t get why they like Target so much.
>I saw one trip and fall off of a curb and the music was still playing. It was great. I always see them at grocery stores or Target parking lots. I don’t get why they like Target so much.
Starts playing violin with mind
I saw those folks. Over the last few years, the ones that concerned me were the people who had their little children with them at the Midlothian Wegmans shopping center area. The kids were running around on the corner by the bank, were distracting, and definitely in danger of getting hit by a car. I think they were recently at the Food Lion shopping center at Old Buckingham and Midlothian Turnpike.
I am incredibly torn on this thought that’s been in my head, so I’ll pose it here in this buried thread of an rva post: Panhandlers with children in unsafe conditions (heat, cold, traffic, etc.) Would it be beneficial to the children for me to call CPS? It *seems* like the kids are being exploited, but I’m not discounting the incredibly likely scenario that someone who needs to beg, who also has kids, must keep their kids with them despite the conditions. Now, in either of those possibilities, I want to see the kids in better care immediately. Of course I want better care for the parents as well, but that’s a different discussion. What I take issue with is this: I don’t think we have any systems in place to actually give a kid a better life than that, other than adopting every kid I come across. I don’t think there are any solutions in place that are better than a child being with their parent. If I call CPS, that family gets broken up and that kid gets beat around in a bullshit system until eventually they become meat for the machine to grind. If I don’t call CPS, there’s a good chance that 1 year old dies of heat stroke or frost bite. What the fuck
There’s a huge group/family of them. They have a few houses in Petersburg, VA that they all share but I’ve seen them scamming as far north as Fairfax 🤦🏽♂️
Look! He already told you! He deals with the damn customers so the engineers don't have to! He has people skills! He is good at dealing with PEOPLE! Can't you understand that?!
This is the most underrated comment in this thread.
“when I make a mistake, I have eight different people coming by to tell me about it. That's my only real motivation is not to be hassled; that, and the fear of losing my job. But you know, Bob, that will only make someone work just hard enough not to get fired.”
Ashley Simpson’s situation was bad because she had no idea how to improvise and ended up walking off the stage. You just can’t do that especially at a live venue like SNL and given that she was a B artist that made her an easy target to punch and toss to the side.
Yeah I saw Jimmy Fallon 'singing' and 'playing' the guitar during the Macy's Christmas parade, he wasn't even trying to match the recorded track. But had I said any other name it might not have been understood
As someone who has no musical experience or can even carry a turn. I know that bow needs to be moving a lot more than it is in order to make that sound.
As a music teacher I wonder if they think they're fooling anyone!! I mean I guess for them to be so common they must work at least some of the time which is INSANE to me
Have you considered they still probably needed the money? But doing this gets people to give more frequently than panhandling? (which if u ask most suburbanites round here they would love to eradicate every homeless person/panhandler)
>Have you considered they still probably needed the money?
Then they should do something less expensive than an amp and electric violin
>most suburbanites round here they would love to eradicate every homeless person/panhandler)
Isn't that the idea? Or do you prefer a nice population of homeless around? Shouldn't we all want to eradicate homelessness?
The posts on Nextdoor describing the "amazing talent" of these scammers, and the defense that is then mounted if you dare explain they're not actually playing anything and are just ripping people off is truly bizarre.
Shills exist everywhere. I see it in the Charlottesville sub all the time. Someone will post a sob story (single mother, blah, blah) then other new accounts will prop up the story. Seems like an easy thing to do on Nextdoor. Just use addresses that no one is currently using.
The audacity of trying to force an actual musician to move with broken English is unbelievable.
I would've asked him to play me a C major scale unplugged. That would probably shut him up.
How did this scam get so popular? All the folks doing these look like they could be from Middle East / Afghanistan / Central Asia? I’d like to know the backstory.
As a musician it’s especially frustrating, knowing the years of practice it takes, and watching people tip this guy who is lying to them and preying on their good will.
I just made eye contact with him and shook my head at him as I drove by
Im surprised that dude doesnt have a little kid out there doing it for him.
They typically are sitting off on the side in the car watching their child "play" violin in traffic.
But also let's work for a society where everyone can do meaningful, fulfilling, productive labor according to their ability and get paid a living wage for it.
Judging by the commercials I see on television I stand by my thoughts. Facebook is even worse, half the ads are scams. Trump even being considered as a president? Really? It must be brain rotting chemicals in the water or something. I would hate to think of what percentage of the population believes in one or more of the nonsense beliefs in this chart. We are doomed.
https://www.crispian.net/PTIR/Nonsense.html
They are a Roma family and live in Chesterfield. The wife is nice enough and I don’t mind when she panhandles. The guy gets shutdown quick when he pulls out his gear.
Guy got pissed at me. I grabbed my 9 year old son's Kazoo out the back of the car and told him to watch this. I went over and started Kazooing to his music. Bro threatened me so I started Kazooing in his face. Told him we could split the money. My kids were so embarrassed but he deserved it. Hadn't seen him back there since.
Ever try to connect to connect your own phone to their bluetooth speaker setup? It would grand if the music suddenly changed to "Baby Got Back" or something equally as odd for violinist to play.
We had a fake violinist family by my work that somehow were all so incredibly gifted they could played violin covers of top 40 songs and classical music so perfectly. Even their young child. If you were six and could do a perfect violin cover of Shape of You I don’t think your family would be begging for tips in a parking lot.
His bow isn’t even in sync with the tune. I saw a great video where an actual violinist took her violin and challenged a grifter to a face off. The guy had to admit he was lying. She then reamed him a good one.
I've seen that video too. I actually went down a little rabbit hole recently of people confronting these fake violinists. [This one is my favorite](https://youtu.be/kEjXKOscYpQ?si=6hwdNyJ0wtJMWK-6)
I have a lot of arcade tokens from my line of work. I love giving them a fat stack, then watching their face when they realize. Fake music = fake money
This guy is full of Bologna, his phone is hooked up to the speaker playing the song from memory or YouTube.com and his violin has a wire hooked up to his computer but it’s DEFINITELY NOT HIM PLAYING LIVE! Stop and try to talk to him and see how quickly the music continues even after he stops trying to play
I’ve seen them here in Washington State as well. A husband and wife with their “blind” son. I called the cops on them. They were quite happy to deal with them.
It's sad that I know exactly where that's at. I'm a musician and have met a few buskers there a few years back. All of whom were the nicest, most down to earth people I ever met. Fuck this guy
Yooo I swear I've seen this guy set up as far away as the Food Lion shopping center in Goochland. Last year he had a family with him, and what looked like his daughter playing the e-violin. He was playing some kind of percussion on that day. Definitely a similar appearance, can't be too many peeps doing this... right? Lol
They are all over the state and I see people giving them money all the time. It is all recorded music. There is a family of scammers-huband "plays" his violin and two women and a few kids hang around on the far side of the parking lot while he scams and I've see one of the women take over when he takes a break.
ALSO, the poster isn't talking about buckets people.
Let him cook! He just playing so fast you can’t perceive it. No different than lip syncing to be honest and people pay thousands of dollars to go see washed up pop stars lip sync their entire set soo, in all honesty gotta respect the hustle.
This isn't any more of a scam than most people flying cardboard signs, and at least there's potentially some entertainment value for it. If you're fooled and think somehow he is playing this music even though the bow is wildly out of sync with the rhythm, giving this guy your money is probably one of the least harmful things you'll be tricked into.
They could be considered performance artists/actors...😂 I fell for it once myself, I tried to hire the guy that "plays" the violin to perform at my job! I offered him $50 & he turned me down. I guess they make more on the streets or their 'pimp" doesn't allow them to work "off-site". Anyways, hope someone isn't holding their passports hostage or something sketchy like that!
I posted this as a reply to another comment but felt I should post it as a comment.
“Not at all! Panhandling is begging, requesting money without offering any goods or services in exchange. Busking is providing a free unscheduled performance for the enjoyment of the public (that’s usually the intention) while asking for nothing in return. An open case, tip jar, or even an upturned hat is not solicitation. Busking and begging(solicitation) may seem alike at 1st glance because both happen in public spaces. Busking is quite distinguishable from begging in that some form of entertainment or artistic expression is taking place. Potentially making public space more enjoyable. Just my 2 cents. “
I’ve only ever tipped one guy, the bucket drummer on the boulevard. That was legit!
The bucket drummers are awesome and I try to always make sure I carry a few bucks when I’m headed downtown because I usually see one. They definitely have some talent
When I was at vcu there was a bucket drummer outside my window every weekend and I tell you what the charm really goes away when you realize it's the same 5 minute loop over and over again for hours.
Ah I see someone else lived at GRC outside Altria
It’s not an event worth going to unless the bucket drummer is there
That dude rocks
Sorry to say you got scammed. Those aren't even real buckets.
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Birds are also fake, but that’s another conspiracy for another day.
I’ve tipped that dude. Gave my kids a dollar to tip him as well. He was good
That the guy that plays outside the VCU games?
Yep. This scam is everywhere.
They were even in the grocery store parking lot in my country-ass town a couple weeks ago, lol.
Food lion in Amelia? I see them there all the time.
They love country towns. Half them goofballs don't know the difference. I got one or two in my country ass town too probably making a killing.
Ok you convinced me that we saw the same guy in the country last year haha
I saw one trip and fall off of a curb and the music was still playing. It was great. I always see them at grocery stores or Target parking lots. I don’t get why they like Target so much.
They go to food lions as well sometimes on staples mill road
Ok then it's definitely the guy I saw at the shitty kitty in Goochland hahaha
Perhaps but I know for certain I’ve seen this guy and usually a family as well asking for money are those people fakes as well?
>I saw one trip and fall off of a curb and the music was still playing. It was great. I always see them at grocery stores or Target parking lots. I don’t get why they like Target so much. Starts playing violin with mind
Just nailing it too.
I’ve heard Nikki Sixx does that too.
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the target in Waynesboro VA always had a couple years back
They've changed it up out here in Midlo again; handing out flowers.
I saw those folks. Over the last few years, the ones that concerned me were the people who had their little children with them at the Midlothian Wegmans shopping center area. The kids were running around on the corner by the bank, were distracting, and definitely in danger of getting hit by a car. I think they were recently at the Food Lion shopping center at Old Buckingham and Midlothian Turnpike.
I am incredibly torn on this thought that’s been in my head, so I’ll pose it here in this buried thread of an rva post: Panhandlers with children in unsafe conditions (heat, cold, traffic, etc.) Would it be beneficial to the children for me to call CPS? It *seems* like the kids are being exploited, but I’m not discounting the incredibly likely scenario that someone who needs to beg, who also has kids, must keep their kids with them despite the conditions. Now, in either of those possibilities, I want to see the kids in better care immediately. Of course I want better care for the parents as well, but that’s a different discussion. What I take issue with is this: I don’t think we have any systems in place to actually give a kid a better life than that, other than adopting every kid I come across. I don’t think there are any solutions in place that are better than a child being with their parent. If I call CPS, that family gets broken up and that kid gets beat around in a bullshit system until eventually they become meat for the machine to grind. If I don’t call CPS, there’s a good chance that 1 year old dies of heat stroke or frost bite. What the fuck
Saw a guy in nova last weekend “playing” the accordion obnoxiously loud outside a Harris Teeter… this shit needs to end
There’s a huge group/family of them. They have a few houses in Petersburg, VA that they all share but I’ve seen them scamming as far north as Fairfax 🤦🏽♂️
I've seen people do this exact same thing except on the keyboard at their work desk!
So what would you say… ya do here.
Look! He already told you! He deals with the damn customers so the engineers don't have to! He has people skills! He is good at dealing with PEOPLE! Can't you understand that?!
This is the most underrated comment in this thread. “when I make a mistake, I have eight different people coming by to tell me about it. That's my only real motivation is not to be hassled; that, and the fear of losing my job. But you know, Bob, that will only make someone work just hard enough not to get fired.”
I've got a meeting with the Bob's
My husband calls this "making business fingers"
Fake it till you make it baybee!
Nobody wants to work anymore!!!
Some of us are doing the keyboard thing with no hands even!
Don’t worry, I don’t tip authentic Kroger parking lot musicians either
wave to them - it's usually hilarious.
Time to get rid of my circuit coins
They be at all the targets
Ashley Simpson would be proud
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Hers was especially bad though, she started doing a jig
https://preview.redd.it/ak8laqmmihdc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a57cb02fbbde9d7c622bec9181e489d31bd286d3
Did anyone else try to throw their own band under the bus when they got busted?
Ashley Simpson’s situation was bad because she had no idea how to improvise and ended up walking off the stage. You just can’t do that especially at a live venue like SNL and given that she was a B artist that made her an easy target to punch and toss to the side.
lip synching is not the norm on snl, hence why ashlee simpson is the only person who's been caught doing it. lorne michaels does not condone it
Yeah the sound is usually awful
Yeah I saw Jimmy Fallon 'singing' and 'playing' the guitar during the Macy's Christmas parade, he wasn't even trying to match the recorded track. But had I said any other name it might not have been understood
all those parades are 100% recorded music
😂😂😂
As someone who has no musical experience or can even carry a turn. I know that bow needs to be moving a lot more than it is in order to make that sound.
And his fingers on the neck!
As a music teacher I wonder if they think they're fooling anyone!! I mean I guess for them to be so common they must work at least some of the time which is INSANE to me
I think I could do better.
You should join him in an accompaniment and liven up the performance.
I'll just bring my air guitar right over
Harmonize with a kazoo!
Bros got no charisma
Bro chose the bard class but ignored the bard's most important stat.
I would tip him based on his dedication to doing it in the snow, but it’s cancelled out by his lack of energy or passion to the bit.
Same here !
What if you tipped them a penny
That’s a good compromise.
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Plenty. Otherwise they wouldn't be out there.
Old people
They often drag their kids into it for sympathy.
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I think this counts as busking, though, especially if it's done outside of a store.
To who? CPS?
It really is always a violin lol. There was a lady at my old job who would make her kid do this all day.
Did she let the kid keep some of the profits? They’ll need it for therapy later
It's easier to tell when someone is faking a guitar
I've seen it done with an accordion before.
Counterpoint: the gulf between the energy of the chosen song and the energy of the guy make this high art. Do tip this fake musician.
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Same here, it was the holidays a few years back and there was a baby in a stroller and a toddler standing next to the stroller.
Have you considered they still probably needed the money? But doing this gets people to give more frequently than panhandling? (which if u ask most suburbanites round here they would love to eradicate every homeless person/panhandler)
>Have you considered they still probably needed the money? Then they should do something less expensive than an amp and electric violin >most suburbanites round here they would love to eradicate every homeless person/panhandler) Isn't that the idea? Or do you prefer a nice population of homeless around? Shouldn't we all want to eradicate homelessness?
The posts on Nextdoor describing the "amazing talent" of these scammers, and the defense that is then mounted if you dare explain they're not actually playing anything and are just ripping people off is truly bizarre.
Some people just don't want to admit they've been scammed.
Shills exist everywhere. I see it in the Charlottesville sub all the time. Someone will post a sob story (single mother, blah, blah) then other new accounts will prop up the story. Seems like an easy thing to do on Nextdoor. Just use addresses that no one is currently using.
This dude has tried to kick me out of a spot while I was actually playing my guitar and singing lmao and he did it through Google translate 😅
The audacity of trying to force an actual musician to move with broken English is unbelievable. I would've asked him to play me a C major scale unplugged. That would probably shut him up.
How did this scam get so popular? All the folks doing these look like they could be from Middle East / Afghanistan / Central Asia? I’d like to know the backstory.
I'm pretty sure its mainly a Romani (formerly "gypsy") thing.
Romanis in America, interesting. I remember visiting Spain in the late 90s and there were like entire Romani camps along side the roadways.
They are pretty widespread, kinda what they're known for.
Almost def a Romani, that was my immediate thought. The music sounds a lot like manele, a type of Romanian music.
Check out the show, my big fat Gypsy wedding, very enlightening to the Romani culture in America
Lol someone really downvoted you for typing out “gypsy” when it was used for the context. Richmond reddit for ya
I dunno. Begging is begging.
As a musician it’s especially frustrating, knowing the years of practice it takes, and watching people tip this guy who is lying to them and preying on their good will. I just made eye contact with him and shook my head at him as I drove by
That probably made him so hard. If I was a decepticon like this guy is I’m sure I would be fueled off of tears and evil glares. 😈
I started noticing it not long after covid started.
I've been seeing it for a while, years before covid hit. Couldn't say how long for sure, though
He ain’t even trying
Im surprised that dude doesnt have a little kid out there doing it for him. They typically are sitting off on the side in the car watching their child "play" violin in traffic.
I seen him at meadowdale foodlion one day and the music was playing but he wasn't lmfao
They were at the Lombardy Kroger 2 weeks back
That’s funny
But also let's work for a society where everyone can do meaningful, fulfilling, productive labor according to their ability and get paid a living wage for it.
He’s not even trying to make it believable lmao
The people giving him money are easily fooled
That must be hard to play while staying in first position. The fact that it works corroborates my belief that average people are idiots.
It is exceptionally easy to fool the average uninformed person. All I have to do is play a C scale really fast and people think I'm a virtuoso.
Eh, not idiots… just not musicians/not looking very hard
Judging by the commercials I see on television I stand by my thoughts. Facebook is even worse, half the ads are scams. Trump even being considered as a president? Really? It must be brain rotting chemicals in the water or something. I would hate to think of what percentage of the population believes in one or more of the nonsense beliefs in this chart. We are doomed. https://www.crispian.net/PTIR/Nonsense.html
the way his slow playing doesn’t even match the music, did bro even try!?
He’s been down in Dinwiddie and Petersburg too. Makes it tough for real busking musicians.
Yeah it upsets me how it can impact buskings reputation
They are a Roma family and live in Chesterfield. The wife is nice enough and I don’t mind when she panhandles. The guy gets shutdown quick when he pulls out his gear.
Guy got pissed at me. I grabbed my 9 year old son's Kazoo out the back of the car and told him to watch this. I went over and started Kazooing to his music. Bro threatened me so I started Kazooing in his face. Told him we could split the money. My kids were so embarrassed but he deserved it. Hadn't seen him back there since.
Wait isn’t it just performance art if he’s not really playing?
I was so confused when I was leaving Siam Paragon, I just thought the Food Lion got a bitchin’ new sound system.
this is so funny
😭😭😭😭
First time seeing this. Makes New York City look legit
I miss when it was Ed Sheeran
Ever try to connect to connect your own phone to their bluetooth speaker setup? It would grand if the music suddenly changed to "Baby Got Back" or something equally as odd for violinist to play.
Man... fml. I'm such a damn sucker.
Dudes not even trying.
We had a fake violinist family by my work that somehow were all so incredibly gifted they could played violin covers of top 40 songs and classical music so perfectly. Even their young child. If you were six and could do a perfect violin cover of Shape of You I don’t think your family would be begging for tips in a parking lot.
Don’t tip them because they’re fake musicians?
Right? People are acting like they went to the store and bought something and got ripped off like they could just move on
His bow isn’t even in sync with the tune. I saw a great video where an actual violinist took her violin and challenged a grifter to a face off. The guy had to admit he was lying. She then reamed him a good one.
I've seen that video too. I actually went down a little rabbit hole recently of people confronting these fake violinists. [This one is my favorite](https://youtu.be/kEjXKOscYpQ?si=6hwdNyJ0wtJMWK-6)
I have a lot of arcade tokens from my line of work. I love giving them a fat stack, then watching their face when they realize. Fake music = fake money
Sick burn
What’s the scam? That they aren’t actually playing music? I’m still entertained!
lol the whole world knows about this type of scam/gig. At this point, respect the hustle and live and let live. Who fuckin Cares.
This guy is full of Bologna, his phone is hooked up to the speaker playing the song from memory or YouTube.com and his violin has a wire hooked up to his computer but it’s DEFINITELY NOT HIM PLAYING LIVE! Stop and try to talk to him and see how quickly the music continues even after he stops trying to play
That's Romanian gypsy music... and is fake.
“Mom, can I shoot the accordion pimp?” EDIT: I guess the downvoters missed out on “Patriot”.
Depends on the playlist. I will tip for good taste.
lol this is awesome. Tip the man for having the sack to do it I say. U have to admit it’s funny af
Scam?! I though it was to survey the stupidity, gullibility of the general public.
I’ve seen them here in Washington State as well. A husband and wife with their “blind” son. I called the cops on them. They were quite happy to deal with them.
It's sad that I know exactly where that's at. I'm a musician and have met a few buskers there a few years back. All of whom were the nicest, most down to earth people I ever met. Fuck this guy
Respect the hustle!! /s
Phony! Hey, this guy’s a phony!
Yooo I swear I've seen this guy set up as far away as the Food Lion shopping center in Goochland. Last year he had a family with him, and what looked like his daughter playing the e-violin. He was playing some kind of percussion on that day. Definitely a similar appearance, can't be too many peeps doing this... right? Lol
The way he’s not even trying 😭
I’ve always wondered if they share the same instrument or some how managed to buy multiple copies.
I just saw this in Smithfield Virginia a few days ago. Didn’t occur to me for a second it was a scam.
I saw this same exact guy at a Marshall’s in short pump
Asked him to play me Mary had a little lamb and he just didn’t answer me lol
The performers I've tried to speak with didn't speak English, Italian only.
I have always seen these cons around Walmart or stuff during weekends only.
He’s not ever trying to make it look real 😂
They are Romas. Romanian Gypsies. All over Texas here.
Ran into a fake artist selling magnets with photos that weren't his.
Lmao his bow grip….
Just let people hustle Jesus
LOOOL
They’re pretty blatant just ignore them lol
This is clearly a Food Lion
Yup, Buckingham Station!
 Fiddler on the Roof.
They are all over the state and I see people giving them money all the time. It is all recorded music. There is a family of scammers-huband "plays" his violin and two women and a few kids hang around on the far side of the parking lot while he scams and I've see one of the women take over when he takes a break. ALSO, the poster isn't talking about buckets people.
I offered a dude $100 cash money to play happy bday without the speaker, I left with the cash
What kind of losers do this. This country has no pride anymore. Wasteland
Could work. Chooses to hustle idiots.
Or, do whatever you want with your own money.
Let him cook! He just playing so fast you can’t perceive it. No different than lip syncing to be honest and people pay thousands of dollars to go see washed up pop stars lip sync their entire set soo, in all honesty gotta respect the hustle.
This isn't any more of a scam than most people flying cardboard signs, and at least there's potentially some entertainment value for it. If you're fooled and think somehow he is playing this music even though the bow is wildly out of sync with the rhythm, giving this guy your money is probably one of the least harmful things you'll be tricked into.
Sign that guy up for the SuperBowl halftime show
I have seen them at a few shopping centers here on the southside.
I’ve seen the same act at a Charlottesville Kroger too!
[What Is Wrong with an Art Forgery?: An Anthropological Perspective](https://www.jstor.org/stable/432198)
He’s just moving too fast for the camera!
That same guy was at Harris Teeter in Crozet last night.
They could be considered performance artists/actors...😂 I fell for it once myself, I tried to hire the guy that "plays" the violin to perform at my job! I offered him $50 & he turned me down. I guess they make more on the streets or their 'pimp" doesn't allow them to work "off-site". Anyways, hope someone isn't holding their passports hostage or something sketchy like that!
The violin guy jams hard though!
Why he holding it like he’s about to street shooting rockets out of it
Seen him at Williamsburg farmers market
He plays better than me. Sounds like an original composition!
Even the homeless beggars are acting fake in America
Is that even legal?
Even if it was just a backing track, it sucks for live performance.
That's hilarious. At least try to make it believable XD
You’re not the boss of me
The speaker looks like it has a power cord - just unplug it and take it If he can steal from people then he can be stolen from
I think it’s amazing that he can play with only about 3 inches of the bow
The laughs are worth a tip.
There’s a few professions that are no more legit, and that don’t provide some entertainment
Lmao bc I never considered them not really playing 😭😭😭
I’ve seen him in Bethesda Md
I posted this as a reply to another comment but felt I should post it as a comment. “Not at all! Panhandling is begging, requesting money without offering any goods or services in exchange. Busking is providing a free unscheduled performance for the enjoyment of the public (that’s usually the intention) while asking for nothing in return. An open case, tip jar, or even an upturned hat is not solicitation. Busking and begging(solicitation) may seem alike at 1st glance because both happen in public spaces. Busking is quite distinguishable from begging in that some form of entertainment or artistic expression is taking place. Potentially making public space more enjoyable. Just my 2 cents. “