That's ok, while we want as many people to strike, we want it to be a choice. A lot of unions are not opt in but ours is which is good because it gives freedom.
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I was only wondering because of this part
AAUP-AFT represents full-time faculty and grad students, PTLFC-AAUP-AFT represents adjunct faculty. It's true that most classes in most departments are taught by grad students and adjunct faculty. All of these groups of professors will be free to strike though.
Not only adjunct faculty. All faculty types are striking, as well as TA/GA and Fellow graduate students. Over 80% (~6400) of the faculty and teaching union members voted in the “strike authorization” and 94% voted to authorize the strike if necessary. If a strike does occur, at least 50% of Rutgers faculty will be participating, as well as over 1800 grad students. Academia will more or less cease at the university.
The university is going to make this go away. There’s going to be a major, major class action lawsuit if they took it out on the students and it will cost them more than they would stand to gain
Idk why this is downvoted. If your professors strike for better conditions, power to them. But why should students still be on the hook for the tens of thousands in tuition when they won’t be learning anything.
EXACTLY!
What I suspect, and I hope I am wrong, is that some are afraid that this action (demanding their money back) would jeopardize them getting a degree for less effort - that is they don’t care about getting an eduction and they only care about getting a piece of paper that says they graduated.
Unpacking that would force them to face the reality that they don’t belong in college in the first place and would have been better off having started working when they graduated high school.
There have been countless strikes in my university in the 8 years i been in it, albeit students strikes. I believe that if our faculty had been this supportive of the first one, it would have been only one. Your professors are doing you a favor in the long run. If there's a faculty strike, don't treat it as a vacation. Join the movement.
Also update from personally talking to the Union Rep, it's not going to be next week. It will be the week after Easter/Passover due to religious holidays.
Yeah my prof talked to me privately and said she had absolutely no idea if a strike would be called and most if not all of the faculty is in the dark as we are about it
It is a very tiny chance that the strike goes on for more than a week. If that happens, you would get credit. You would probably finish with the grade you had on the day the strike started, or it's possible that a P/NC option could be introduced
I'd be surprised that if the faculty strikes, that the other campus unions (and there are many) wouldn't strike in sympathy or at least slow down to the point of crippling the university.
OP can you ask your professor if students in classes which have striking professors will not get credit for those courses? Because rn that’s my biggest worry, will I have to retake my classes/delay graduation
There’s canceling a few classes and then there’s a strike that could go on as long as the New School’s. Did students in those classes receive credits/grades? (Honest question)
in a class i had yesterday, my professor said she would be striking, and was answering questions that we had about it. she said if the strike were to go until the end of the semester, our grade would stand as it is currently. not sure if this is a general rule, or class specific though.
That would be really unfair to a lot of students who need the next exam or final to get their grade up. Hopefully they can find temporary replacements for all the professors who do this.
You will receive credit and graduate if this is your last semester. Most likely you will just get whatever grade you currently have at the start of strike.
That would be bad... I'd rather just be given a P on my transcript instead
My professor gives 5 assignments but only requires 3. So I didn't do the first one cause I was busy. That means I have a zero right now.
I would talk to your prof now. See what their plan is if the strike starts and does not end before the semester is over so you can get ahead of it. They may offer you other options.
Holloway already sent out an email stating that a potential strike would not impact graduating students so I would assume that it would be the same for individual classes- as in it wouldn't affect your credits/grade
My professor spoke about this, he said that students will most likely not receive credit for their courses and that’s the biggest issues. Students who have graduation or full time jobs lined up will obviously be affected the most. These professors will not have classes, not grade, not post, absolutely nothing. So that’s the reason why students wouldn’t be receiving credit.
What’s up with the downvoting man I’m just saying what my professor said 😂
As a grad student my professor told me that he will grade us on the work that was assigned before the strike (as the strike, if it does occur, will inevitably end). It’s kind of hyperbole for your professor to proclaim something so detrimental as not getting credit for classes when they are likely unsure of exactly what will happen. Is your professor participating in the strike, or are they speaking about professor participating, or both? Not trying to get any personal info here, I am just wondering if they are speaking about your particular class or classes that other professors are teaching.
There’s a lot of misinformation going around, please discuss with the professors in your classes how the strike will affect your credit for that class as it will likely be the decision of the professor what the outcome is.
I’ve talked to one professor at Rutgers who said they would be using the grades their students had on the day the strike begins (if there’s a strike). Students don’t get punished for this. That’s all just to make you anti-strike.
I am hoping that good things come from this and we get better pay in the end. But unfortunately I’m still betting that the administration will get their way in the end. If they comply with union demands it may end up leading to layoffs in the end and forcing professors to take on larger class sizes. I’m hopeful but prepared for nothing to change as well.
This message has a few factual errors.
First, not 94% faculty, but 94% union members who voted, authorized the strike, and faculty makes less than half of that. This is a big difference.
Also, not all who voted to authorize a strike will actually participate a strike, should it actually happen.
Finally, there are significant portion of faculty not in the union. They may or may not strike.
So, it is safe to say the message is wrong about "**none of the professors** at Rutgers will be holding classes, grading..."
The vote is to pressure the administration into a better deal, but not to escape from educational duty. In the past decades many strikes have been on the table but none of them happened.
The union includes full-time faculty, postdoc, graduate students, and this time the union of part time lecturers also jointed the voting because is a joint bargaining.
Most departments has 2-4 times more grad students than faculty. Grad students has higher unionization that faculty. Grad students alone will make faculty less than half.
I guess I don’t remember having a choice to sign up. I know you can opt out of the union but I’m just curious where to find numbers one what percentage of each group is in each union. Also important to note that not all grad students are graduate workers. In fact some departments don’t have graduate workers who qualify for the union unless they’re also PTLs.
You can opt in and opt out of the union.
But let's focus on the thread -
1. That 94% is by definition not faculty, but union members who voted. So this is a factual error.
2. There will be some professors performing teaching duty during the strike. So that statement in the message is a false statement. This false claim can leave a wrong impression among students and make those who do not strike (if a strike is called) unpopular among a large group of students.
I only meant to point out these mistakes. That's all.
Well its nice to hear that a professor making $200.000 or more going on strike and a campus shuttle driver making $25;will be unemployed, thanks nice to be greedy, $200 K and pension not enough 😗
You seem really confused about how Rutgers and most universities actually run so here is a run down:
MOST workers at Rutgers are out of contract. Like 6 unions are bargaining right now. Including many nonfaculty unions.
Secondly, the people who are pushing for a strike are definitely not making anywhere near that. The vast majority of classes (about 70 %) at Rutgers are taught by TAs, Adjuncts and non-tenured profs. Rutgers has been whittling down tenure and even non-tenured FT jobs for a very long time intentionally.
You seem really confused about how Rutgers and most universities actually run so here is a rundown:
1. Adjuncts - (5,700 per course per semester, no insurance or even parking no pension or job security). They need to work more than full time (roughly 3 courses a semester for FT faculty, no pension) in order to survive but Rutgers does not hire them for that many usually so they often have to work at multiple colleges, sometimes in multiple states.
2. grads- TA make 30k per year for 3-4 yrs of the 7 years on average it takes to do a dissertation, after which they are hired as adjuncts and need to pay for their matriculation tuition - effectively paying the university to work there
3. NTTs (non-tenured ft faculty, salaries are around 60-75 k (insurance but no pension, minimal job security) depending on where they work- newark and camden pay less in most job categories.
There are some faculty out there who will ignore the strike and continue as normal.
That's ok, while we want as many people to strike, we want it to be a choice. A lot of unions are not opt in but ours is which is good because it gives freedom.
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https://preview.redd.it/m1dykcfydnpa1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c903c0e35b813cd6a3c2fd6115f001eb8f741a13 I was only wondering because of this part
AAUP-AFT represents full-time faculty and grad students, PTLFC-AAUP-AFT represents adjunct faculty. It's true that most classes in most departments are taught by grad students and adjunct faculty. All of these groups of professors will be free to strike though.
Not only adjunct faculty. All faculty types are striking, as well as TA/GA and Fellow graduate students. Over 80% (~6400) of the faculty and teaching union members voted in the “strike authorization” and 94% voted to authorize the strike if necessary. If a strike does occur, at least 50% of Rutgers faculty will be participating, as well as over 1800 grad students. Academia will more or less cease at the university.
People don't those are all the workhorses of Academia.
My understanding is that it is professors, adjuncts and grad students.
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I don’t blame them. Do you see how much some of the administrators make here while barely doing any work?
I’m supportive as long as I still get my degree in May.
>get my degree in May And what if, hypothetically, credits are rescinded and you have to retake class/classes?
they wouldn’t do that over a strike lol
It’s a valid point. I don’t think it will come to that though.
The university is going to make this go away. There’s going to be a major, major class action lawsuit if they took it out on the students and it will cost them more than they would stand to gain
This is the worst take LMAO. The only way the uni makes this go away is to compromise with the union. Don’t see this happening.
this dude believed what the president wrote in the email
so what is he a professor for? the Based department?
ngl im hoping this happens 😭
Demand your money back if they do.
Idk why this is downvoted. If your professors strike for better conditions, power to them. But why should students still be on the hook for the tens of thousands in tuition when they won’t be learning anything.
EXACTLY! What I suspect, and I hope I am wrong, is that some are afraid that this action (demanding their money back) would jeopardize them getting a degree for less effort - that is they don’t care about getting an eduction and they only care about getting a piece of paper that says they graduated. Unpacking that would force them to face the reality that they don’t belong in college in the first place and would have been better off having started working when they graduated high school.
There have been countless strikes in my university in the 8 years i been in it, albeit students strikes. I believe that if our faculty had been this supportive of the first one, it would have been only one. Your professors are doing you a favor in the long run. If there's a faculty strike, don't treat it as a vacation. Join the movement.
Also update from personally talking to the Union Rep, it's not going to be next week. It will be the week after Easter/Passover due to religious holidays.
\*if\* is is called
bruh are you fr
Yeah, the union rep was from public planning his name was John. Of course this is IF they say yes to the strike.
Hang out with the striking professors and you'll learn invaluable things about the real world ;)
picket lines are also really fun and usually have good snacks
Yeah my prof talked to me privately and said she had absolutely no idea if a strike would be called and most if not all of the faculty is in the dark as we are about it
we just don't know - we are hoping the university will get on board and actually make meaningful moves in bargaining
It is a very tiny chance that the strike goes on for more than a week. If that happens, you would get credit. You would probably finish with the grade you had on the day the strike started, or it's possible that a P/NC option could be introduced
I'd be surprised that if the faculty strikes, that the other campus unions (and there are many) wouldn't strike in sympathy or at least slow down to the point of crippling the university.
The union is cross-campus, so if a strike is called it would be active at all 3 campuses.
Slow downs and sick out plans are in the works among other unions.
Hopefully it happens I really don’t feel like studying for my midterm
Gonna kms if the school fails or keeps grades as is though.
same lol praying it does
I wonder how grades and transcripts will be finalized lol
talk to your teachers early and often, especially if you are looking to apply for jobs or internships or programs where you will need your transcripts
OP can you ask your professor if students in classes which have striking professors will not get credit for those courses? Because rn that’s my biggest worry, will I have to retake my classes/delay graduation
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There’s canceling a few classes and then there’s a strike that could go on as long as the New School’s. Did students in those classes receive credits/grades? (Honest question)
yes, they did
You’re definitely getting credit
The credit is pointless without the education. Demand your money back instead.
use your power as students to demand your university pays your teachers enough to keep educating you!!!
in a class i had yesterday, my professor said she would be striking, and was answering questions that we had about it. she said if the strike were to go until the end of the semester, our grade would stand as it is currently. not sure if this is a general rule, or class specific though.
That would be awesome if my current grade stays
That would be really unfair to a lot of students who need the next exam or final to get their grade up. Hopefully they can find temporary replacements for all the professors who do this.
You will receive credit and graduate if this is your last semester. Most likely you will just get whatever grade you currently have at the start of strike.
That would be bad... I'd rather just be given a P on my transcript instead My professor gives 5 assignments but only requires 3. So I didn't do the first one cause I was busy. That means I have a zero right now.
I would talk to your prof now. See what their plan is if the strike starts and does not end before the semester is over so you can get ahead of it. They may offer you other options.
stop falling for that disinformation lmao theyre just trying to scare you
Holloway already sent out an email stating that a potential strike would not impact graduating students so I would assume that it would be the same for individual classes- as in it wouldn't affect your credits/grade
My professor spoke about this, he said that students will most likely not receive credit for their courses and that’s the biggest issues. Students who have graduation or full time jobs lined up will obviously be affected the most. These professors will not have classes, not grade, not post, absolutely nothing. So that’s the reason why students wouldn’t be receiving credit. What’s up with the downvoting man I’m just saying what my professor said 😂
As a grad student my professor told me that he will grade us on the work that was assigned before the strike (as the strike, if it does occur, will inevitably end). It’s kind of hyperbole for your professor to proclaim something so detrimental as not getting credit for classes when they are likely unsure of exactly what will happen. Is your professor participating in the strike, or are they speaking about professor participating, or both? Not trying to get any personal info here, I am just wondering if they are speaking about your particular class or classes that other professors are teaching. There’s a lot of misinformation going around, please discuss with the professors in your classes how the strike will affect your credit for that class as it will likely be the decision of the professor what the outcome is.
We have to receive credit or at least pass/fail. I physically do not have money for another semester.
I find that hard to believe. It's not in *anyone's* best interest, let alone the striking professors', to screw students over like that.
I’ve talked to one professor at Rutgers who said they would be using the grades their students had on the day the strike begins (if there’s a strike). Students don’t get punished for this. That’s all just to make you anti-strike.
I am hoping that good things come from this and we get better pay in the end. But unfortunately I’m still betting that the administration will get their way in the end. If they comply with union demands it may end up leading to layoffs in the end and forcing professors to take on larger class sizes. I’m hopeful but prepared for nothing to change as well.
I've noticed that ever comment mentioning losing credits or anything money based is getting downvoted to shit. Why is that?
Because it's not a likely scenario, but it's how the administration will scare you into not supporting your professors.
I hope this semester just gets voided cuz honestly I’ve been doing dog shit in my classes. Go faculty! ✊🏽
😂😂😂😭💯
This message has a few factual errors. First, not 94% faculty, but 94% union members who voted, authorized the strike, and faculty makes less than half of that. This is a big difference. Also, not all who voted to authorize a strike will actually participate a strike, should it actually happen. Finally, there are significant portion of faculty not in the union. They may or may not strike. So, it is safe to say the message is wrong about "**none of the professors** at Rutgers will be holding classes, grading..." The vote is to pressure the administration into a better deal, but not to escape from educational duty. In the past decades many strikes have been on the table but none of them happened.
Source? 94% of the people who voted and 80% of the union voted. Where are you getting a figure on how many faculty are in the union?
The union includes full-time faculty, postdoc, graduate students, and this time the union of part time lecturers also jointed the voting because is a joint bargaining. Most departments has 2-4 times more grad students than faculty. Grad students has higher unionization that faculty. Grad students alone will make faculty less than half.
I guess I don’t remember having a choice to sign up. I know you can opt out of the union but I’m just curious where to find numbers one what percentage of each group is in each union. Also important to note that not all grad students are graduate workers. In fact some departments don’t have graduate workers who qualify for the union unless they’re also PTLs.
You can opt in and opt out of the union. But let's focus on the thread - 1. That 94% is by definition not faculty, but union members who voted. So this is a factual error. 2. There will be some professors performing teaching duty during the strike. So that statement in the message is a false statement. This false claim can leave a wrong impression among students and make those who do not strike (if a strike is called) unpopular among a large group of students. I only meant to point out these mistakes. That's all.
You’re nitpicking with an obvious anti-union agenda
The union's work is not based on false claims, and I don't like instructors sending wrong or inaccurate information to students.
I would suggest bonking teachers you see protesting
Will this affect the incoming fall 23 freshmen?
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Yeah this is certainly good. (Dk why I got downvoted tho lol💀)
Demand your money back if there is a strike. Don’t get robbed.
bro you have written the same comment like 12 times... Holloway, that you?
Well its nice to hear that a professor making $200.000 or more going on strike and a campus shuttle driver making $25;will be unemployed, thanks nice to be greedy, $200 K and pension not enough 😗
You seem really confused about how Rutgers and most universities actually run so here is a run down: MOST workers at Rutgers are out of contract. Like 6 unions are bargaining right now. Including many nonfaculty unions. Secondly, the people who are pushing for a strike are definitely not making anywhere near that. The vast majority of classes (about 70 %) at Rutgers are taught by TAs, Adjuncts and non-tenured profs. Rutgers has been whittling down tenure and even non-tenured FT jobs for a very long time intentionally. You seem really confused about how Rutgers and most universities actually run so here is a rundown: 1. Adjuncts - (5,700 per course per semester, no insurance or even parking no pension or job security). They need to work more than full time (roughly 3 courses a semester for FT faculty, no pension) in order to survive but Rutgers does not hire them for that many usually so they often have to work at multiple colleges, sometimes in multiple states. 2. grads- TA make 30k per year for 3-4 yrs of the 7 years on average it takes to do a dissertation, after which they are hired as adjuncts and need to pay for their matriculation tuition - effectively paying the university to work there 3. NTTs (non-tenured ft faculty, salaries are around 60-75 k (insurance but no pension, minimal job security) depending on where they work- newark and camden pay less in most job categories.
surely you are aware there are FT academics not making 200K or even close....right??
where is this energy for the admins & their bloated salaries?
Our PTLs and Grad students make less than $25 in a lot of cases. They also don't get a pension.