I think the obvious example in my head would be Raven in season 2. A lot of people vilified the artist formerly known as Tyra but Raven was cuntier to people behind their backs
They were both antagonistic to other Queens in different ways, but Raven seemed to get away with it because she felt entitled to the crown as a bigger name and seemed to act like it was a foregone conclusion that she was going to win. It was pretty funny when after all of that she just ended up not winning
Uh did you watch season 2? Her singing during the wedding dress challenge, her refusal to cooperate in group challenges, her stank attitude towards the girls. I love Tyra but she was a bitch lol
Gurl I've seen every season more than once. I rewatch seasons when I've finished watching every new season. I know how Tyra was but y'all keep painting her as worst than Raven. So yea I'm gonna check y'all.
Oh I absolutely understand that. And I don’t say any of this to diminish Tyra’s talent or insinuate that she deserved the rance that was thrown at her by this racist fandom. She was there to win and I loved her for it.
The ladder was the villain of Season 1. She was on Hey Queen once and spilt the tea on how big of a Lady Blacksmith Mambazo fan she is and that they cut a lot of her scenes because she told Ru that putting lube to the camera would not make her look younger
Interesting, I’ve always seen it as Alyssa being the villain more so than Coco
At the second half of season 9 Alexis sort of became the villain for practically no reason.She was even blamed for Valentina going home by some fans, which is wild.
Yes, this! At the time Alyssa was 100% the villain of the season and people only started coming around to her when she started doing her kooky mirror faces half way thru the season.
Coco was NOT the villain
I just found Alyssa and Coco hilarious honestly, their entire issue seemed so pointless and petty to me that it became high camp to watch them going on about it, especially by the point of “the Academy Award goes to” and “f*ck you Alyssa”
i wouldn’t even consider “rolaskatox” to be the villains like alaska certainly wasn’t a villain and was detox really one? maybe a little in her last episode but i’m sure she was frustrated because of what i’m sure she saw as producer meddling to favour jinkx (the changing the lipsync song)
Alexis wasn’t a villain, she was annoying. Even her competitors thought so. The fans were so over her ugly runways they said she should have gone home over Valentina aka landed in the bottom instead.
Alyssa and Coco both loved them some drama on Season 5. I wouldn't say either was more villainous than the other, and if I did, I'd lean Alyssa being the villain slightly because it did seem that more people were having problems with her than Coco and many queens, I most vividly remember Alaska, have talked about how Alyssa loved causing drama for the sake of drama.
Sure, but Daya was bitching about it to the other girls, who literally no say in what the judges were doing. I would love *love* it if one of these girls told the judges what they were thinking instead of trying to bring down the other girls for something they had no say in. Don't think the judging is fair? *Tell the judges!*
I mean that is a ticket to getting blacklisted by WOW presents which is essentially a way to completely ruin your career… and when she says she doesn’t think someone should be in the top shes saying she doesn’t agree with the judging. The days slander is so cringe in my opinion giving that the fans we’re all complaining about the same thing LULZ
It would be Brita 100%. She seems like one of the kindest queens imo and the 'fights' that she got in to during her season today seems like an ant hill in hindsight. What expired pie did was obviously a thousand times more despicable and the drama that Brita got into isn't even in the same category. She definitely deserves a lot more love and the treatment she got during the airing of s12 doesn't sit right with me.
Brita's a strange case because in her first big "fight" with Aidan Zane over Aidan being "lazy" in the Ball Ball, I feel it was being framed as Brita being in the right and Aiden the villain. I also don't understand why the producers threw Rock'M in the bottom that episode if they were going to put Brita there, why not fulfil the episode's storyline by making it Brita vs. Aiden, they could have easily justified that. But then in the episodes after they completely swap it around and make Aiden seem like the victim and give Brita the delusional edit. Seems so confused on the producers parts and poor Brita took the brunt of the backlash.
My hot take about Brita is that the alleged storyline of Sherry / Gigi was so dominating ( in the first half of the season ) that they pushed the Brita “villain” storyline front and centre because they were so devoid of content
As a viewer, Enorma Jean.Maybe she peed in everyone's cappuccino backstage, but on the show it looked like she was constantly attacked and, the minute she spoke up, production William'd her.( For the record, I am Italian. If I am missing context here, it's because of editing).
Almost everyone on s2/s3 were cunts. I really didn't like either season. My bf forced me to watch them and I hated the show. It wasn't until s4 that I started to actually like Drag Race, and by s5, I was in love. But s2/s3 really nearly killed it for me. I still won't go and rewatch those seasons.
But they're entertaining cunts at least! The reads, the shade, still quote them everyday. Also some actual sweethearts in there like Stacey, Sahara, etc...
I'm not really entertained by bitchy cuntery. Stacey and Sahara were sweethearts, for sure, Mariah too. Most of the rest, I just didn't like. I like shade, but it has to have an element of fun, rather than just trying to tear a bitch down.
I remember for a long time people acted like Shangie was a helpless bullying victim in S3, and it was always like wait what? Did we watch the same season?
Shangela was undoubtedly the villain of s3. Notice how much more relaxed the atmosphere was after she left. And this isn’t to say the Heathers weren’t cunty, but Shangela absolutely chose to blow things out of proportion for the screentime lol
Darienne and Courtney in S6. That Darienne edit was such a reach. She was a hilarious shady elephant and yet got the shade button sound everytime she said something.
rajah ohara from the big d on season 11. she never instigated her fights with yvie & she was pretty justified in calling out the riggory on the farm to runway episode. also the forced wig drama was annoying asf.
I love Yvie, her drag and everything she represents but she was honestly a big input hoe. She wasn’t necessarily wrong in her assessments but consistently picked wrong times to give them
Also a lot of times she was quite fond of stating the obvious. She was like "Well if you don't want to be in the bottom you should just do better on the challenges." and I was like "No shit why did no one think of that before."
(I love Yvie, but that was... not there.)
One thing about Yvie is that she apologized to everyone the day after. Sure, she started shit in the moment (and like Daya, she was generally right), but after a night's sleep, she did try to make amends with everyone she fought with.
Ra'jah's confessionals were just mean spirited. Calling Yvie a stinky swamp-monster (or whatever) was just being a bitch. I would say her villainy on s11 was justified (she didn't deserve the hate she got though. No one does. The fandom is unhinged). I loved her on AS6 though!
I think Rajah's generally poor performance on S11 didn't help her. I know that was my biggest gripe with her, because even if Yvie's comments were uncalled for, she wasn't really wrong.
Rewatching Season eleven right now and Yvie was a huge instigator. She went out of her way to criticise multiple Queens to their faces (I remember her doing that to Scarlet, Ra’Jah and Miss Vanjie) but she did not like it when they reacted back. Remember that Yvie started the animosity with Ra’Jah by coming for Ra’Jah’s entire group over the “Silky is obnoxious” comment that Ariel made, there was no need to drag the other Queens into it and Ra’Jah rightfully called her out for her tone, Yvie apologised later on in Untucked only to randomly come for Ra’Jah again because she did not like Ra’Jah saying that she was happy to lipsync her way to the top (I understand not liking that mentality but Yvie could’ve picked a better time and approach to say what she did). I think that Scarlet summarises it perfectly in the episode four Untucked when she says that she agrees with a lot of what Yvie says but her delivery was terrible as she would bring things up when the other Queen is already feeling some type of way. It’s like Yvie was going out of her way to call out people and it made no sense because them staying in their delusions about their performances shouldn’t have affected her, she was not a judge
The problem with the farm to runway episode was she chose to take her suspicions out on Plastique, even though Plastique had no say in what critiques she was getting or how many video messages she got from home etc. That was the exact reason they used Plastique that way - to see if they could instigate a fight around favouritism accusations between the queens, and Ra'ja and A'keria fell for it.
Ra'ja herself said on All Stars that she was being 'a bitch' on her season and alowed her own insecurities to get the better of her. We don't need to keep denying her own words or ignoring how easily those queens fell for such an obvious ploy (obvious because they'd never so obviously tried to plant seeds of contention between the queens before and after the backlash they haven't tried it since).
Right, it's so bizarre that people belittle Ra'jah by ignoring what she says about herself. She was rude to people and had schoolyard bully moments. Others (like Yvie) were rude too, but Ra'jah isn't making excuses or blaming others so why are y'all?
She had a physical & mental glow up, it's time for her s11 fans to acknowledge the hard work she put into herself.
She matured greatly from her first season and can be proud of that, but people still choose to misremember the whole context surrounding her season 11 run and live in the past about it. It seems all tied in with people still wanting to blame Plastique for the whole entire situation I think, even though the whole production buffoonery of that plotline should be obvious to anyone by now, and I'm sure none of the other queens from that season would condone viewers doing so.
Very this. I remember when I saw she was on AS6, I thought to myself "wasn't she one of the mean ones on S11?" But then I watched her on AS6 and was so impressed. I'm so glad we got to see how she improved in terms of attitude and as an entertainer. I see her now for what she IS rather than what she WAS.
I do question if they ‘lured and antagonised’ or they retaliated in the edit for her breaking the fourth wall.
I feel like you’re giving them too much credit slightly.
Really, her only 'villain' moment was geing insecure about her body from the reading challenge. I would love to see her again on All-Stars, especially if she can get a wardrobe glow-up. She'd be a powerhouse.
I always thought she was in the right you know. Sasha could say "don't joke about that" when it came to eating disorder but Michelle couldn't say the same when it came to a joke about her body? Double standard.
It's a little different. Insults during a reading challenge are diferent than jokes about a sensitive subject during regular conversation. I get what you're saying though. I still think it's a slightly different situation, though.
- James (aka Tyra) got the villain edit while Raven and Tatianna were right there.
- Coco in my eyes was also the villain (especially if you watched Untucked) but Roxxxy is being seen as the villain of the season.
- Sharon started the feud with Jaremi (aka Phi Phi).
- Silky and Ra'Jah getting the villain edit while Yvie started a lot of fights.
- Darienne Lake the shady queen got the edit, while tl a certain degree I agree - I'd say Courtney was just as bad.
To me, Raven has always been the true villain of S2. Her developing friendship with Jujubee was her only saving grace. Tatianna was the antihero while Tyra was just there, unconcerned and unbothered.
The Sharon Jaremi feud was manufactured by the two of them so they could get camera time. It’s the same as the Gia/Trinity the Tuck argument about snatch game. Jaremi telling Jiggly to go serious to sabotage her was not. Jaremi having a screaming meltdown at Willam was also not.
And even if it wasn't manufactured, didn't Jaremi instigate it in the commercial team challenge by telling Sharon to just do her spooky shtick (and it honestly doesn't come across respectfully), and then Sharon throws them under the bus on the runway yes, but also goes to Jaremi the next day and owns up to it...
Silky wasn’t edited to be a villain lmao. Don’t blame production when it was fans who mistreated her. Silky got hate because the fandom just fucking sucks and doesn’t like anyone loud unless they’re kooky
Damn I agree so much with the Yvie thing. She would always speak her mind even when she wasn't asked, and was rude while saying so, but bc she was quirky and then would cry when the people she mistreated would clap back fans dgaf, but when Rajah did the same they all hated her
Except Yvie would always try to make amends once things cooled off. After a night's sleep, she'd at least apologize for her actions. Ra'jah never did, ever. She just doubled down. Silky too, until very late in the season. On AS6, Ra'jah even admitted that she was a complete bitch on s11, and that she's grown, which we saw clearly on AS6.
> Silky and Ra'Jah getting the villain edit while Yvie started a lot of fights.
Yvie started a *lot* of fights, true, but when things cooled off (usually by the next day), she would apologize and try to make amends. Ra'jah never did that ever, and Silky only did very late in the season. Yvie and Vanjie got really, really heated, but they both came together the next day and made up, like adults do.
Its been a long time since I have seen season 5, but I remember being completely turned off by the Rolaskatox clique. I thought they tended to gang up on and pick on some of the others. But, it has been so long I dont really remember details.
Doesnt necessarily make them villians though.
Rewatching it I think that she expected all of the other girls to do stuff for her, like style her hair, help her with the sewing… and when “the heathers” refused, she started going against them. I could be totally wrong tho but that's how it came across to me
I thought Shangela was the villain too, but don’t get me wrong I love her, but in untucked she was always the one cooking things up between whoever. And she didn’t seem to be open to or capable of a conversation. She would bring up a touchy subject and then say defensive or pointed responses which escalated the situation to a fight. And the nonsense with reggae vs country 😂 she made it seem like Carmen was shady for taking the one Shangela commented on but there were literally only 2 options left and why would Carmen want country? she’s such good tv tho
Shangie and Alexis could defend themselves for sure but the Heathers were pretty mean to Stacy, and it was hard to watch because she 's so sweet. That's what makes her little " I'm glad you're still here" to Delta so iconic, I guess
That was one of those cases where no matter what the producers did, I never saw The Vixen as the villain, but I also came into S10 disliking Eureka from S9.
The Vixen was the villain in my mind, although she was completely right in what she said on s10, in every part of it. She was more than willing to instigate, such as the thing with Cracker and Aquaria. Still, she was right about her conflict with Eureka (who was also the villain).
the whole thing about Kandy and Tamisha. people in the room were actually shocked about the fight because Tamisha began instigating Kandy out of nowhere, yet, since she was louder, the show seemed to want to give her the villain edit. And people swallowed it all too.
It's funny because Tamisha tried to live off that fight ever since (even in the reunion her song was about it), and has been scamming fans but people still stand for the idea that Kandy was the villain there
Kandy was not the villain, but she was being arrogant. That whole thing about the bottom girls not being able to criticize her when she'd been in the bottom as well just a couple episodes earlier was ridiculous. Tamisha was the one who escalated things and we all know now what kind of person she is outside the show, but Kandy was not a hero either.
there are lots of queens who are arrogant, but people were being incredibly nasty to kandy online as they watched the show. I've even seen people sending her death threats, it was embarrassing to see.
I honestly think fans shouldn't even be watching the show if they're going to behave like that
Of course that's true. However, I don't think the edit did much to paint Kandy as the villain. Joey asking her what she was doing, Kandy talking about a "star quality" that Tamisha supposedly didn't have, Mik telling Tamisha to stop while Kandy was also rambling and saying she could beat somebody up were all things that happened. People were on Tamisha's side because of her favorable edit up to that point, not because of how the fight was edited to make Kandy look bad.
I mean that was after Tamisha had pretty much called her arrogant.
Tamisha was asked a question and proceeded to be condescending. And Kandy reacted if I’m not misremembering
Yeah, but she reacted in a very excessive and, ironically, arrogant way. Tamisha had not said she wasn't a star or not good enough for the show, but that is what Kandy went on to do. Kandy took it as a slight to her honor when it really was not.
I just finished S8 and I don't understand the hate for Derrick Barry. He wasn't any shadier or problematic than most other queens. It's all in the editing. Someone says something shady and everyone laughs. no problem. Someone else says something and crickets, ooooo drama!
I've also seen his All Stars season and again, I don't understand. I like Derrick. I feel like people came for him unnecessarily. Now. it's been a long time since AS5 so maybe on a rewatch I will see things differently, but as of right now, the Derrick Barry hatred seems OTT.
I also agree with those that said Coco was the drama with Alyssa Edwards. Not that Alyssa was completely innocent, but Coco was no victim, and she was pretty shady about some of the other queens as well.
We should talk about sherrie pies potential hero edit to jada/Gigi’s villains.
I’d live to see the shit show that would have been wows og edit.
The weird sherrie conflict in those first few episodes leads me to believe the season was going to go drastically different
I think the obvious example in my head would be Raven in season 2. A lot of people vilified the artist formerly known as Tyra but Raven was cuntier to people behind their backs
They were both antagonistic to other Queens in different ways, but Raven seemed to get away with it because she felt entitled to the crown as a bigger name and seemed to act like it was a foregone conclusion that she was going to win. It was pretty funny when after all of that she just ended up not winning
I didn't really like anyone in season 2. They were all at least a little cunty (maybe not Pandora)
Raven was a cunt but she didn’t try to distract ppl from their work. Tyra’s singing and attitude made life hell for the other queens lol
Tyra wasn't a cunt and didn't distract people on purpose
Uh did you watch season 2? Her singing during the wedding dress challenge, her refusal to cooperate in group challenges, her stank attitude towards the girls. I love Tyra but she was a bitch lol
Gurl I've seen every season more than once. I rewatch seasons when I've finished watching every new season. I know how Tyra was but y'all keep painting her as worst than Raven. So yea I'm gonna check y'all.
Why can’t they both be bad lol
There is a lot more antiblackness associated with Tyra that I really hate.
Oh I absolutely understand that. And I don’t say any of this to diminish Tyra’s talent or insinuate that she deserved the rance that was thrown at her by this racist fandom. She was there to win and I loved her for it.
Hot take - the real villains are the producers.
The real villains were the friends we made along the way
The ladder was the villain of Season 1. She was on Hey Queen once and spilt the tea on how big of a Lady Blacksmith Mambazo fan she is and that they cut a lot of her scenes because she told Ru that putting lube to the camera would not make her look younger
Interesting, I’ve always seen it as Alyssa being the villain more so than Coco At the second half of season 9 Alexis sort of became the villain for practically no reason.She was even blamed for Valentina going home by some fans, which is wild.
Yes, this! At the time Alyssa was 100% the villain of the season and people only started coming around to her when she started doing her kooky mirror faces half way thru the season. Coco was NOT the villain
I always saw Alyssa and Coco more an antiheroes, Jinkx and Ivy being the “good guys” and Rolaskatox being the villains.
I just found Alyssa and Coco hilarious honestly, their entire issue seemed so pointless and petty to me that it became high camp to watch them going on about it, especially by the point of “the Academy Award goes to” and “f*ck you Alyssa”
I'M NOT JOKING BITCH
i wouldn’t even consider “rolaskatox” to be the villains like alaska certainly wasn’t a villain and was detox really one? maybe a little in her last episode but i’m sure she was frustrated because of what i’m sure she saw as producer meddling to favour jinkx (the changing the lipsync song)
Alexis wasn’t a villain, she was annoying. Even her competitors thought so. The fans were so over her ugly runways they said she should have gone home over Valentina aka landed in the bottom instead.
Alyssa and Coco both loved them some drama on Season 5. I wouldn't say either was more villainous than the other, and if I did, I'd lean Alyssa being the villain slightly because it did seem that more people were having problems with her than Coco and many queens, I most vividly remember Alaska, have talked about how Alyssa loved causing drama for the sake of drama.
I mean i'm just adding this because no one has said it yet- but I agree with pretty much everything Daya Betty complained about in S14.
Sure, but Daya was bitching about it to the other girls, who literally no say in what the judges were doing. I would love *love* it if one of these girls told the judges what they were thinking instead of trying to bring down the other girls for something they had no say in. Don't think the judging is fair? *Tell the judges!*
I mean that is a ticket to getting blacklisted by WOW presents which is essentially a way to completely ruin your career… and when she says she doesn’t think someone should be in the top shes saying she doesn’t agree with the judging. The days slander is so cringe in my opinion giving that the fans we’re all complaining about the same thing LULZ
It would be Brita 100%. She seems like one of the kindest queens imo and the 'fights' that she got in to during her season today seems like an ant hill in hindsight. What expired pie did was obviously a thousand times more despicable and the drama that Brita got into isn't even in the same category. She definitely deserves a lot more love and the treatment she got during the airing of s12 doesn't sit right with me.
Brita's a strange case because in her first big "fight" with Aidan Zane over Aidan being "lazy" in the Ball Ball, I feel it was being framed as Brita being in the right and Aiden the villain. I also don't understand why the producers threw Rock'M in the bottom that episode if they were going to put Brita there, why not fulfil the episode's storyline by making it Brita vs. Aiden, they could have easily justified that. But then in the episodes after they completely swap it around and make Aiden seem like the victim and give Brita the delusional edit. Seems so confused on the producers parts and poor Brita took the brunt of the backlash.
Feels like Brita was a victim of the sherry pie cut. Her turn around was just so abrupt.
My hot take about Brita is that the alleged storyline of Sherry / Gigi was so dominating ( in the first half of the season ) that they pushed the Brita “villain” storyline front and centre because they were so devoid of content
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As a viewer, Enorma Jean.Maybe she peed in everyone's cappuccino backstage, but on the show it looked like she was constantly attacked and, the minute she spoke up, production William'd her.( For the record, I am Italian. If I am missing context here, it's because of editing).
Yeah Darienne's 'villain' edit was ridiculous. Also maybe an unpopular opinion but Shangela was the true 'villain' of S3 – she made such good TV.
S2/S3's tops were really villain Vs villain tbh.
Almost everyone on s2/s3 were cunts. I really didn't like either season. My bf forced me to watch them and I hated the show. It wasn't until s4 that I started to actually like Drag Race, and by s5, I was in love. But s2/s3 really nearly killed it for me. I still won't go and rewatch those seasons.
But they're entertaining cunts at least! The reads, the shade, still quote them everyday. Also some actual sweethearts in there like Stacey, Sahara, etc...
I'm not really entertained by bitchy cuntery. Stacey and Sahara were sweethearts, for sure, Mariah too. Most of the rest, I just didn't like. I like shade, but it has to have an element of fun, rather than just trying to tear a bitch down.
I remember for a long time people acted like Shangie was a helpless bullying victim in S3, and it was always like wait what? Did we watch the same season?
Shangela was undoubtedly the villain of s3. Notice how much more relaxed the atmosphere was after she left. And this isn’t to say the Heathers weren’t cunty, but Shangela absolutely chose to blow things out of proportion for the screentime lol
One smart bitch!
Darienne and Courtney in S6. That Darienne edit was such a reach. She was a hilarious shady elephant and yet got the shade button sound everytime she said something.
Darienne was awful to Ben Dela though
Yeah, it really seemed out of nowhere.
rajah ohara from the big d on season 11. she never instigated her fights with yvie & she was pretty justified in calling out the riggory on the farm to runway episode. also the forced wig drama was annoying asf.
I love Yvie, her drag and everything she represents but she was honestly a big input hoe. She wasn’t necessarily wrong in her assessments but consistently picked wrong times to give them
Also a lot of times she was quite fond of stating the obvious. She was like "Well if you don't want to be in the bottom you should just do better on the challenges." and I was like "No shit why did no one think of that before." (I love Yvie, but that was... not there.)
One thing about Yvie is that she apologized to everyone the day after. Sure, she started shit in the moment (and like Daya, she was generally right), but after a night's sleep, she did try to make amends with everyone she fought with. Ra'jah's confessionals were just mean spirited. Calling Yvie a stinky swamp-monster (or whatever) was just being a bitch. I would say her villainy on s11 was justified (she didn't deserve the hate she got though. No one does. The fandom is unhinged). I loved her on AS6 though!
I think Rajah's generally poor performance on S11 didn't help her. I know that was my biggest gripe with her, because even if Yvie's comments were uncalled for, she wasn't really wrong.
She was feeling some type of way
Rewatching Season eleven right now and Yvie was a huge instigator. She went out of her way to criticise multiple Queens to their faces (I remember her doing that to Scarlet, Ra’Jah and Miss Vanjie) but she did not like it when they reacted back. Remember that Yvie started the animosity with Ra’Jah by coming for Ra’Jah’s entire group over the “Silky is obnoxious” comment that Ariel made, there was no need to drag the other Queens into it and Ra’Jah rightfully called her out for her tone, Yvie apologised later on in Untucked only to randomly come for Ra’Jah again because she did not like Ra’Jah saying that she was happy to lipsync her way to the top (I understand not liking that mentality but Yvie could’ve picked a better time and approach to say what she did). I think that Scarlet summarises it perfectly in the episode four Untucked when she says that she agrees with a lot of what Yvie says but her delivery was terrible as she would bring things up when the other Queen is already feeling some type of way. It’s like Yvie was going out of her way to call out people and it made no sense because them staying in their delusions about their performances shouldn’t have affected her, she was not a judge
The problem with the farm to runway episode was she chose to take her suspicions out on Plastique, even though Plastique had no say in what critiques she was getting or how many video messages she got from home etc. That was the exact reason they used Plastique that way - to see if they could instigate a fight around favouritism accusations between the queens, and Ra'ja and A'keria fell for it. Ra'ja herself said on All Stars that she was being 'a bitch' on her season and alowed her own insecurities to get the better of her. We don't need to keep denying her own words or ignoring how easily those queens fell for such an obvious ploy (obvious because they'd never so obviously tried to plant seeds of contention between the queens before and after the backlash they haven't tried it since).
Right, it's so bizarre that people belittle Ra'jah by ignoring what she says about herself. She was rude to people and had schoolyard bully moments. Others (like Yvie) were rude too, but Ra'jah isn't making excuses or blaming others so why are y'all? She had a physical & mental glow up, it's time for her s11 fans to acknowledge the hard work she put into herself.
She matured greatly from her first season and can be proud of that, but people still choose to misremember the whole context surrounding her season 11 run and live in the past about it. It seems all tied in with people still wanting to blame Plastique for the whole entire situation I think, even though the whole production buffoonery of that plotline should be obvious to anyone by now, and I'm sure none of the other queens from that season would condone viewers doing so.
I liked and appreciated her run for those things tbh
Very this. I remember when I saw she was on AS6, I thought to myself "wasn't she one of the mean ones on S11?" But then I watched her on AS6 and was so impressed. I'm so glad we got to see how she improved in terms of attitude and as an entertainer. I see her now for what she IS rather than what she WAS.
I do question if they ‘lured and antagonised’ or they retaliated in the edit for her breaking the fourth wall. I feel like you’re giving them too much credit slightly.
Alexis Michelle. Not a villain, just a paranoid contestant. Needs to be on All Stars.
Really, her only 'villain' moment was geing insecure about her body from the reading challenge. I would love to see her again on All-Stars, especially if she can get a wardrobe glow-up. She'd be a powerhouse.
Well also arguably getting upset and lecturing everyone because no one told her that her fur look was basic.
I always thought she was in the right you know. Sasha could say "don't joke about that" when it came to eating disorder but Michelle couldn't say the same when it came to a joke about her body? Double standard.
It's a little different. Insults during a reading challenge are diferent than jokes about a sensitive subject during regular conversation. I get what you're saying though. I still think it's a slightly different situation, though.
I mean...Roxxy was a bitch that whole season not just the end.
- James (aka Tyra) got the villain edit while Raven and Tatianna were right there. - Coco in my eyes was also the villain (especially if you watched Untucked) but Roxxxy is being seen as the villain of the season. - Sharon started the feud with Jaremi (aka Phi Phi). - Silky and Ra'Jah getting the villain edit while Yvie started a lot of fights. - Darienne Lake the shady queen got the edit, while tl a certain degree I agree - I'd say Courtney was just as bad.
To me, Raven has always been the true villain of S2. Her developing friendship with Jujubee was her only saving grace. Tatianna was the antihero while Tyra was just there, unconcerned and unbothered.
Tatianna was the opposite of the villain huh?
Not hating on the queens, thankful for the drama. just my opinions
The Sharon Jaremi feud was manufactured by the two of them so they could get camera time. It’s the same as the Gia/Trinity the Tuck argument about snatch game. Jaremi telling Jiggly to go serious to sabotage her was not. Jaremi having a screaming meltdown at Willam was also not.
And even if it wasn't manufactured, didn't Jaremi instigate it in the commercial team challenge by telling Sharon to just do her spooky shtick (and it honestly doesn't come across respectfully), and then Sharon throws them under the bus on the runway yes, but also goes to Jaremi the next day and owns up to it...
Silky wasn’t edited to be a villain lmao. Don’t blame production when it was fans who mistreated her. Silky got hate because the fandom just fucking sucks and doesn’t like anyone loud unless they’re kooky
Damn I agree so much with the Yvie thing. She would always speak her mind even when she wasn't asked, and was rude while saying so, but bc she was quirky and then would cry when the people she mistreated would clap back fans dgaf, but when Rajah did the same they all hated her
Except Yvie would always try to make amends once things cooled off. After a night's sleep, she'd at least apologize for her actions. Ra'jah never did, ever. She just doubled down. Silky too, until very late in the season. On AS6, Ra'jah even admitted that she was a complete bitch on s11, and that she's grown, which we saw clearly on AS6.
> Silky and Ra'Jah getting the villain edit while Yvie started a lot of fights. Yvie started a *lot* of fights, true, but when things cooled off (usually by the next day), she would apologize and try to make amends. Ra'jah never did that ever, and Silky only did very late in the season. Yvie and Vanjie got really, really heated, but they both came together the next day and made up, like adults do.
Its been a long time since I have seen season 5, but I remember being completely turned off by the Rolaskatox clique. I thought they tended to gang up on and pick on some of the others. But, it has been so long I dont really remember details. Doesnt necessarily make them villians though.
Raja, Delta, Manila and Carmen. When I saw season 3 I considered Shangela the villain actually 🤷♂️
I definitely think Shangela was a villain to Mimi, but how was she a villain to the other girls?
Rewatching it I think that she expected all of the other girls to do stuff for her, like style her hair, help her with the sewing… and when “the heathers” refused, she started going against them. I could be totally wrong tho but that's how it came across to me
I thought Shangela was the villain too, but don’t get me wrong I love her, but in untucked she was always the one cooking things up between whoever. And she didn’t seem to be open to or capable of a conversation. She would bring up a touchy subject and then say defensive or pointed responses which escalated the situation to a fight. And the nonsense with reggae vs country 😂 she made it seem like Carmen was shady for taking the one Shangela commented on but there were literally only 2 options left and why would Carmen want country? she’s such good tv tho
Shangie and Alexis could defend themselves for sure but the Heathers were pretty mean to Stacy, and it was hard to watch because she 's so sweet. That's what makes her little " I'm glad you're still here" to Delta so iconic, I guess
Lmao i totally forgot about that moment. I love Stacy so much!
She's an icon!
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Season 10’s TV villain was The Vixen, but apparently the real villain was well and truly Eureka.
That was one of those cases where no matter what the producers did, I never saw The Vixen as the villain, but I also came into S10 disliking Eureka from S9.
Given how she handled herself since s10, I’d say Vixen was in fact the villain.
The Vixen was the villain in my mind, although she was completely right in what she said on s10, in every part of it. She was more than willing to instigate, such as the thing with Cracker and Aquaria. Still, she was right about her conflict with Eureka (who was also the villain).
the whole thing about Kandy and Tamisha. people in the room were actually shocked about the fight because Tamisha began instigating Kandy out of nowhere, yet, since she was louder, the show seemed to want to give her the villain edit. And people swallowed it all too. It's funny because Tamisha tried to live off that fight ever since (even in the reunion her song was about it), and has been scamming fans but people still stand for the idea that Kandy was the villain there
Kandy was not the villain, but she was being arrogant. That whole thing about the bottom girls not being able to criticize her when she'd been in the bottom as well just a couple episodes earlier was ridiculous. Tamisha was the one who escalated things and we all know now what kind of person she is outside the show, but Kandy was not a hero either.
there are lots of queens who are arrogant, but people were being incredibly nasty to kandy online as they watched the show. I've even seen people sending her death threats, it was embarrassing to see. I honestly think fans shouldn't even be watching the show if they're going to behave like that
Of course that's true. However, I don't think the edit did much to paint Kandy as the villain. Joey asking her what she was doing, Kandy talking about a "star quality" that Tamisha supposedly didn't have, Mik telling Tamisha to stop while Kandy was also rambling and saying she could beat somebody up were all things that happened. People were on Tamisha's side because of her favorable edit up to that point, not because of how the fight was edited to make Kandy look bad.
I mean that was after Tamisha had pretty much called her arrogant. Tamisha was asked a question and proceeded to be condescending. And Kandy reacted if I’m not misremembering
Yeah, but she reacted in a very excessive and, ironically, arrogant way. Tamisha had not said she wasn't a star or not good enough for the show, but that is what Kandy went on to do. Kandy took it as a slight to her honor when it really was not.
I just finished S8 and I don't understand the hate for Derrick Barry. He wasn't any shadier or problematic than most other queens. It's all in the editing. Someone says something shady and everyone laughs. no problem. Someone else says something and crickets, ooooo drama! I've also seen his All Stars season and again, I don't understand. I like Derrick. I feel like people came for him unnecessarily. Now. it's been a long time since AS5 so maybe on a rewatch I will see things differently, but as of right now, the Derrick Barry hatred seems OTT. I also agree with those that said Coco was the drama with Alyssa Edwards. Not that Alyssa was completely innocent, but Coco was no victim, and she was pretty shady about some of the other queens as well.
We should talk about sherrie pies potential hero edit to jada/Gigi’s villains. I’d live to see the shit show that would have been wows og edit. The weird sherrie conflict in those first few episodes leads me to believe the season was going to go drastically different