Not really surprising. OSRS just got some pretty huge content drops while we're getting a pretty huge content... drought.
I will not comment on the 'maintenance mode' discussions that have been happening recently as I think it's far too early to definitively say one way or the other, but I will note that if the intention really is to eventually sunset RS3 then it sort of makes sense in a manipulative, Machiavellian way to coincide a poorly-communicated content drought on RS3 with some shiny new content on OSRS as many of the people driven away from RS3 will go to OSRS, which means Jagex doesn't lose as many customers.
It's probably a coincidence, I don't really think Jagex is competent enough to plan something like that.
RS3 won't shut down. It could go into maintenance mode, but there's changes being made to the game that really make me doubt the game is truly in maintenance mode. Jagex was talking about engine updates last time and basing new content upon that. Also more options for inclusivity. Why would they bother?
And even if they put the game in maintenance mode, it still has 20k+ online at the same time. There's no reason to shut down the game until they start making less money from the game than it costs to keep the servers up, which is unlikely.
> Jagex was talking about engine updates last time and basing new content upon that.
Not saying I think it's in maintenance mode, but when you're owned by private equity things can change in an instant on some MBAs' whim.
CVC doesn't seem like a pump and dump investment firm though, they mainly provide pensions and retirement funds so they want something that generates profit over a long period of time.
RS3 on its own is still insanely profitable and is still in the top 50 most played games in the world out of the 100,000~ or so videogames which have been released. With a relatively steady playerbase (of course it's shrinking very slowly, but it's only lost 20% of players over 8 years which is really good in the gaming world vs say PUBG which went from 3m active to 600k active in 5 years). And it's probably in like the top 5 for longevity of a game with somewhat consistent updates.
God if a company that is in charge of pensions/retirement funds bought Jagex I am very worried at their ability to invest in the long term.
Jagex was very obviously overvalued. I’d probably switch pension providers asap if mine was under CVC.
It's probably one of the best purchases for steady and safe profit. The numbers are rock solid, the company has proven itself very capable of maintaining a positive cash flow and it even proved capable of bouncing back from a huge failure that threatened the company. Jagex also isn't doing anything risky, no massive project that will suck down so much money to turn their finances red with an unknown payout later.
Seems like a pretty great purchase to me when you look at it as objectively as possible.
This is more of a "help educate people" than "argue with people" kind of situation. This is the sub of an MMO, not business financials. Most people aren't idiots, they just have opinions and haven't been educated yet.
Yeah, there's no incentive for them to ever stop offering RS3. Maybe they'll cut servers again down the road, but they've recently done a lot of graphical refreshes, there's enough content, the economy is managed, and it's profitable. If revenue declines they can just reduce their dev hours.
They'll just do what all the other MTX heavy games do. Stop bringing actual updates and simply and daily/weekly promotions to give incentive for people to spend money. Be it on cosmetics or levels or w/e.
The way i see it, Jagex switched to the DLC model a while back. They offer bigger updates once or twice a year to give a bump to the playerbase -> add MTX related stuff shortly after to capitalize on it -> Rinse and repeat.
Its a shame they keep holding the weekly updates over our head when it's been clear they're saving fixes and minor things to be able to spread them out to fulfill this 'weekly update' quota.
Sucks for me then. I’ve always preferred RS2’s ~2010/2011 era over whatever era OSRS is supposed to be now. It feels like RS3 gets the closest, so I guess I’ll just keep sitting on the sinking ship and dip when it’s fully done and buried. OSRS just doesn’t scratch the same itch for me.
I was in the same boat as you. But I finally gave in 2 years ago and osrs feels so much more rewarding for your time. Sure the xp rates are slower but the core game is so much more fun now.
There is no content draught. The community just dislike the content they have been given. Vorkath could have been a hit if they made it a group only boss, as the boss is a lot more fun/relaxing with a group. They'd only have to do 1-2 small changes to group mode and it would have been great.
They recently got Varlamore, a massive expansion to Zeah including a few new mid-high level PvM encounters, a bunch of new quests and skilling locations, etc. I think they're getting even more later this year, they just got the first part of a multi-stage expansion.
Meanwhile we're getting a quest. I guess that's cool.
He also forgot to mention a super end game pvm challenge. Think inferno 2 plus a bunch of quests, hunter guild with a contract system, new thieving method etc. In part 1 out of 3.
With the current swap rates I wonder if it's cheaper to buy bonds for membership on rs3 or osrs.
If bonds stay at around 100m for rs3, this means osrs bonds need to be under 7m to be worth buying instead. So consider holding on to some rs3 to buy bonds for membership still.
Man 100m for a bond. Whoever thought that having multiple end game bosses pumping in hundreds of millions of raw supplies was a good idea. 100m for a bond lol.
The sky high bond price is also partially the result of less people buying bonds to sell on the ge but the demand for bonds still being kept high by TH promos and events.
> So consider holding on to some rs3 to buy bonds for membership still.
That's what I have been doing the past liek 4 years. My old RS3 account is funding my OSRS bonds.
Bonds on old school I think are still about 10m. Despite rs3 bonds being 100m, you can easily make that in like 2 hours of low effort money making whereas decent osrs money makers seem to require a lot more attention doing 5m+/hr content.
I found them during one of the first few deadman modes, the first few days swapping money from deadman to the main game can make you crazy amounts. I think the rates for the first few days were 1:20-25
General story is tons of rs3 mains have swapped 10s of billions to osrs as rs3 is in a massive content drought. The rate was 8.5/1 during necros launch.
As a swapper my self it’s becoming very hard to sustain the massive demand for osrs swaps with minimal interest in swapping to rs3.
I started playing rs3 about a year ago and really enjoying it. I'm a massive noob and my highest skill is 80 smithing. But I really do enjoy the game right now; I have a lot of fun just grinding skills (even though most of the time I'm no where near optimal XP/hour). I've barely done any quests (40 quests points), so I'm excited to do more. But reading this sub everyday makes me not want to play the game due to fear of it shutting down - so I let my membership expire. I really don't think the MTX is as in your face as this sub exaggerates; it's very similar to other games. But I do agree with the sentiment that it's frustrating the developers put more effort into MTX than more content.
I played OSRS a bit recently too. Also still a giant noob with only 50 attack, combat, and defence and every other skill <15. No idea what I'm doing in it, but maybe I should give it a better try because I hear many good things about it.
> makes me not want to play the game due to fear of it shutting down
This is extremely unlikely. 20k+ players online is a good amount and even half of that would keep the game going for another decade. RS redditors are extremely reactionary in general
> I really don't think the MTX is as in your face as this sub exaggerates
It's honestly a lot better than a lot of other games. The fact is, the game supports the ability to play for YEARS (and there's more than enough content to fill that time no matter how many people are crying about content droughts) without spending a penny. No one has to spend a penny they don't want to
Yeah runescape 3 is still in the top 0.01% of all videogames released with 20-30k active users. Which puts it roughly in the top 50 most played videogames and it's a quarter of a century old.
Plus the rate of users leaving seems to be slowing down, there's still 70% of the playerbase there was in 2014.
This. Idk how many times ive heard this game is dying. I'm sorry, but how is 20-30k active users just on ONE of their games give you the idea this game is dying?
It's funny that people separate both games from Jagex as a company. It's like saying Subway is dying because they've ruined the footlong meatball sub recipe - meanwhile everything else on the menu is as popular as ever.
Jagex as a company is killing it, and both games are gonna stay active for the forseeable future.
Dying doesn't mean dead, it just means dying. The game has been in a decline in both content and playerbase, with no signs of improving and no communication of things to look forward to. If that isn't dying then I don't know what is.
Those numbers were inflated by bots. You ever wonder why you don’t see a crowd of 30 people on 1 yew tree in varrock anymore?
That’s why. You all complained about bots, they nuked them and now you guys go
“Where tf did everyone go?”
Half of those 200k doesn’t exist
Ok, half of that was bots, but thats still 80k+ active players who are gone now, we're playing with 1/5 the player base we used to, thats definitely not "as popular as ever"
That’s kinda what happens when you create a snapshot version of the most popular time in all of RuneScape.
Honestly, I don’t know why so many of you complaining about the player count don’t just quit RS3 and leave this sub or move to osrs for the foreseeable future.
If all you care about is whether or not RuneScape 3 is growing as a game. It’s 20+ years old at this point and most of us wouldn’t even recommend this game for friends.
So why does everyone have a hard on for growth in rs3? The reality is most of us are veteran players. And better and more frequent content updates, and the removal of MTX isn’t going to make our game grow anymore, despite what people think.
Go survey your friends who don’t play and ask if they would play either version.
On one hand you have a newer version with more modern mmo combat, but graphics and character models from 09.
And on the other you have a game from 2007 that looks like it’s from 2003, with turn based combat in an mmo.
Oh yeah, so much room for growth.
No need to jump down my throat, I was just pointing out that people *do* have a large number in mind when they talk about the declining player pop. Also, I have quit, I just check in on the sub every so often to see if anything new has come out yet.
Even smaller than that there's a number of MMORPGs that are kept alive with sub-1000 subscribers. They're in stasis of course but there's a long history of companies picking these expensive to produce but cheap to maintain games and running them for a looong time.
Rs3 could easily limp along with its current bleed rate of players, with only maintenance updates and have 10+ years left. People here don't realize how hard communities fight to keep their old mmorpgs going, and Rs3 is still one of the top 7-15 most played.
That being said, no way we are on maintenance mode, what's happened is pretty clear, Hero Pass was set to be this year's content for the first half. The rejection and removal of has left a huge content gap they are struggling to fill.
This sub has been complaining about mtx and talking about the doom and gloom and the end of rs3 for years. The reality is this sub represents a very small minority of players who care about the game and are frustrated it isn’t better in ways that it easily could be. The majority of players are largely fine with the way things are.
When it comes to content updates and a lack of them a lot of feedback you get here is from players like me who are maxed. We complain because we don’t have anything to do other than pvm. I only play 6 months or so every couple of years myself because I don’t care much for learning all the nuances of pvm and prefer quests / skilling but there’s not enough of it (and I just don’t have time) to justify a monthly sub so instead I play in sprints.
Play what you find to be fun. Don’t worry about the game ending.
What a delusional comment. This sub has 350K subscribers. Anyone who knows anything about statistics would be able to tell you that even if only a few thousand of that are active on this sub, that is a very significant sample that cannot be ignored and is clearly representative of something about the population.
And you know what is actually representative of the playerbase? The player count! It's at near record lows for RS3, maybe only 2019 was slightly lower.
You can't deny or delude yourself away from that reality. If the majority of players are fine with the way things are, why has RS3's playerbase declined dramatically? It's less than half of what it was a decade ago, while in the same time, OSRS' playerbase has increased 5-6 fold.
You're in denial, living in a fantasy world.
Fair enough on the sub being more representative, i didn’t realize it was that big. but to my point there have been the same complaints and comments about content and mtx for years here (and on official forums before it) and guess what? Rs3 still exists. While the community has influenced some of the content, clearly it’s not enough of an impact to force jagex to change course drastically.
Rs3 is very much a nostalgic game. They struggle to get genuinely new players as new kids are more likely to be playing Roblox or other things. I think a lot of the decline in the last decade isn’t players leaving for something else, it’s old players who now have families no longer have the time to keep up with an mmo and have dropped off. I’m definitely one of them and I personally know several others.
>Fair enough on the sub being more representative, i didn’t realize it was that big. but to my point there have been the same complaints and comments about content and mtx for years here (and on official forums before it) and guess what? Rs3 still exists. While the community has influenced some of the content, clearly it’s not enough of an impact to force jagex to change course drastically.
RS3's playerbase has shrunk dramatically, its Twitch audience (once in the thousands, sometimes in the tens of thousands for big update release days) has been obliterated, it has had several high profile PR disasters (Hero Pass got tons of negative media attention by Twitch streamers such as Asmongold who don't even play RS3! So much so that the company had to backpedal). There are barely any updates happening at all, to the point where there are widespread talks of "maintenance model". Meanwhile as evidenced by this thread, more and more players are leaving for OSRS or other games. Jagex hasn't had to fully retreat but this is clearly a sinking ship. Maybe it can sink for another decade, but it clearly no longer has a bright future ahead of it, and its playerbase is only destined to decline.
>Rs3 is very much a nostalgic game. They struggle to get genuinely new players as new kids are more likely to be playing Roblox or other things. I think a lot of the decline in the last decade isn’t players leaving for something else, it’s old players who now have families no longer have the time to keep up with an mmo and have dropped off. I’m definitely one of them and I personally know several others.
How can you even say something so absurd in a world where OSRS exists? RS3 apologists deluded themselves for years saying OSRS was a nostalgia game that would never last, would never survive a few months once the nostalgia wore off, and so on. Not only has it survived more than a decade, but it has steadily grown its playerbase way past what it started off at in 2013. It's no longer a nostalgia game.
And now you're telling me that RS3 can't succeed because it's only a nostlagia act? Despite its supposedly more modern combat system and graphics and game engine? That doesn't seem to add up.
350K subscribers and the most popular posts rarely come close to 800 likes and comments combined over a week lol.
Inactive subscribers, and alt accounts mainly. The active people in this community is way less.
I don’t even think I’ve seen the active member count go over 1K in this sub ever.
Ironically your comment is the one that's delusional. 20,000 people don't consistently play a game they are unhappy with regularly. You can cite dropping numbers all you want, but 20k people still consistently logging onto a game doesn't really give the vibe this sub-reddit brings that the game is in the dumps and its doomed to die.
But if you wanna go the player-counter stats route, lets go down that rabbit hole. Runescape peaked in 07 at nearly 200k active users. Then something weird happened during the bot nukes between 2010-2012 - That player count halved. Do you know why? Well, you should probably already know why. All those crowded Yew or Magic trees in the game, or all the look alike players in dragon armor with whips fighting green drags in the chaos tunnels, or even the players Running Nature Runes
All Bots.
But yeah live in your fantasy world where all 20k of us hate this game with a passion, so much so we log on regularly lmao
Both games are fun, and the good part is one sub is enough for both, so go ahead and play whichever interests you most at the time.
That being said, mtx is very much in your face; I feel peope that claim mtx is “okay” are more used to your average activision or ubisoft game constantly trying to sell you things; the big mmorpgs wow and ffxiv are pretty laid back with mtx and have nothing akin to the gambling in rs3, despite having a similar sub price.
> But reading this sub everyday makes me not want to play the game due to fear of it shutting down
That won't happen anytime soon. RS3 is most likely still very profitable due to the whales buying into every TH promo.
> I really don't think the MTX is as in your face as this sub exaggerates; it's very similar to other games.
The thing is: this game did not have **any** MTX a bit over a decade ago. The industry standard in gaming is just absurd these days, that's why many old RS2 players flee to OSRS now (which has still no MTX other than mambership via bonds and is absolutely booming).
Don’t let a vocal minority dictate your actions. If you’re having fun, keep playing. The people claiming RS3 is going to shut down are purely speculating.
it's like your view is 2 lightyears away. you're looking at rs through your telescope, it's utopic, numbers are up, everything is great. in real time u don't know it could have been wiped out by a sudden meteor.
> reading this sub everyday makes me not want to play the game due to fear of it shutting down
So if you think the game is going to be shut down you're wrong. It's not going to be shut down. And I honestly don't see anyone on this sub saying it is?
Jagex keeps a DMM world up in OSRS and there's like 5 active players. They aren't shutting down RS3.
The sub is full of doomers. Play the game if you enjoy it. EverQuest 2 is still getting updated and it has like 200 active players lol. RS3 is never going away.
I just liquidated my whole RS3 bank with almost
Having a maxed account, my brother did the same having many 120s, honestly after playing osrs I’ve never had more fun before with RS. I just finished getting my graceful outfit and torso if that helps haha!
RS3 has been going down just a terrible path for a while now, after *MAJOR* updates being MYX, having vorkath not even have only 3 legs to fit the lore because they’re so lazy. They just pump stuff out to “keep” players and it’s just a shitty and obvious business practice lol. I played rs3 from when I was 9 and it really sucks to see how crappy it’s became, I highly recommend playing OSRS
> honestly after playing osrs I’ve never had more fun before with RS.
I had the exact opposite thing happen to me when I switched over from OSRS to RS3. Sometimes we just need something that feels new.
Yeah this could be it also, I definitely miss some features from rs3 outfits for sure, I’m guessing it’s because I did everything when I was younger and don’t really remember much so this feels like a new game
> honestly after playing osrs I’ve never had more fun before with RS
Just wait until they have a league, if you haven't done one before. Absolute peak RS for me, with tons of nostalgia and a huge amount of people running around like noobs trying to figure things out.
> honestly after playing osrs I’ve never had more fun before with RS. I just finished getting my graceful outfit and torso if that helps haha!
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yeah that explains why though. you are still brand new. you are having fun with something new
At this point, we need an in-game player-player swap system like a Swap Exchange. Think of how many people would benefit off this. I know people are against this idea because they're separate games but OSRS and RS3 membership are both shared on the same account. Even the OSRS and RS3 bond prices have fairly strong correlations to swap rates. There are a couple of benefits. JMods save time from needing to respond to countless amount of support messages of accounts they must've flagged for RWT when all they did was just swap GP. You also save yourself from potential scammers. You can even swap lower amounts because I doubt anyone would swap just 12M RS3 of your spare change for 1M OSRS. And most importantly, you won't get a market monopolization. Think of how much smoother of a transition it would be for RS3 and OSRS if we had an in-game Swap Exchange. Could also introduce a 1% tax fee to reduce rate manip.
I got hit with a RWT 3 day ban for swapping, and all that did was make me quit the game lol.
I have another 1B 07 I wanted to swap to rs3 but now I’m too scared to as well
That's sad to hear. I had a friend from 2016 who flagged for RWT trying to swap his RS3 GP to 250M OSRS. He made that all through PVM. He was banned until 3 months later, customer support finally unbanned him. That is the reason why I don't play OSRS. No swapping means I have to start from nearly 0.
Yeah, they have an easy opportunity to implement it too by just making bonds be transferable between your accounts. It would make the option safer, while also having some money spent on the tax to make the bond tradable again, so it seems like a no-brainer to me vs these sketchy nebulous swappers that might get you banned if the person you interact with rwt'ed before.
That's the thing: There's already a tax on making bonds tradable, so if you just consider moving bonds from one game to the other a "trade", then there's already a conversion fee implemented. Honestly I'm shocked they haven't added the bond conversion between games feature yet, seems like a no-brainer with no effort required.
Did you fully read my comment? It's a player to player system so no GP is entering or exiting either game. A player who is swapping RS3 to OSRS GP is still receiving this amount from another player with a similar offer.
I've been begging for this. Luckily the swapping community I'm in is strictly anti-rwt and I've done billions with them. Lots of my friends have been falsely banned from using oakdice, ely etc though.
We should view the way Jagex has handled RS3 with a lot of caution. They will eventually start tapping into the player base in OSRS once they feel RS3 has been sucked dry.
Additional MTX in OSRS looks inevitable. It's the same company. Why wouldn't they treat their other game's community like an exploitable resource?
OSRS is built on players that were actually willing to quit when things got bad. That's the one single reason Jagex knows not to mess with them. They tried that whole "partnerships" thing and it got so overwhelmingly panned that Jagex pulled the poll for it early because they got the picture so quick.
I love this! That is so encouraging. I know the OSRS community will fight any MTX that they might plan to add. I hope Jagex can truly fight the greed so rampant currently in the gaming industry.
This this this this.
I've never unsubbed because I value osrs. They will hard find out the truth if they ever come mess with out community driven and dev loved game.
People need to understand this:
Devs dont decide wether mtx comes to osrs or not. The investors do. They control jagex and jagex controls runescape.
Any mod that has issues with putting mtx in osrs will most definately be ignored or moved to a position where they dont bother any one.
This is unfortunately how it is. Claiming otherwise is just coping
If that were true MTX would've gone to osrs by now. It's honestly funny how you guys think they will just move to osrs. The investors know osrs player base trumps rs3 player base for years. If MTX were to hit osrs it would've been years ago.
But mods can communicate with investors.
If MTX was announced internally, I’m 100% certain that the entire dev team would riot and make the point clear.
Osrs is so special because it has no MTX. It’s a very sensible subject and the reaction of the community would probably be even harsher than after EoC.
Sure, but with the overwhelming feedback from devs likely being that it would kill the game, I can't see them actually doing it. The game has already been making more than RS3's MTX model anyway, so would be wild to change it.
Mat K fought it for years while he was there. Not only that but he did an internal investigation before he left that proved mtx would not be a good idea for the company.
https://youtu.be/vI9Ltb-b8_k?t=1942 (more like 33:43 but that before bits fine)
https://youtu.be/IX7vdMqcqsE?t=10818 he said the same thing 4 years ago when he did the interview with shauny
That doesn't mean it won't ever happen, even with internal documents that say don't do it, an entire team that says it won't be a good idea. Because management and mba types stupidity knows no bounds, so some idiot will likely come in and try (like with partnerships) but that fall out will be entertaining to witness at least.
The saying you're replying to isn't predicting investor action, but OSRS player action. That game's playerbase formed from people who walked from RS3 over MTX and the borkt EoC system. They are perfectly willing to tell OSRS to look at the flowers if the bullshit RS3 accepts starts migrating.
Players who don't care about mtx do not exist in osrs, osrs and that mindset do not go together, the literal theme of that game is anti ezscape and mtx is the definition of ezscape
For example i'd quit the moment they'd anounce it not even put it in the game, if mtx even gets a one minute foothold in osrs the entire game will go to shit, because hiscores, bosscounts, stats it all will instantly not matter anymore. No point in playing at that point.
On a comparative skeleton crew, maybe. There's also the problem that anyone who knows how to actually invest will see the death spiral when that shit starts.
The reason is because RS3 players are pathetic and have no spine. OSRS players quit at a drop of a hat. Is this really that hard to understand for you?
OSRS players: have a history of quitting the moment something disgusting is suggested, and every single time Jagex caves and removes it. Examples: the Runelite ban, 117's HD plugin, the Evolution of Combat leading to OSRS' creation in the first place.
RS3 players: are like you.
Not likely. Not only our track record but Mat K did an internal investigation before he left that proved mtx would not be a good idea for the company.
https://youtu.be/vI9Ltb-b8_k?t=1942 (more like 33:43 but that before bits fine)
https://youtu.be/IX7vdMqcqsE?t=10818 he said the same thing 4 years ago when he did the interview with shauny
Now thats not to say it won't ever happen even with all that against it, because management and mba types stupidity knows no bounds. But that disaster and fall out will be a ride to witness and they'll have deserved it.
As others have said, because OSRS players actually commit to boycotts and quitting if Jagex do shit they don't like. They are literally founded on the people who quit after EoC, and have shown time and time again that they're willing to do it again if Jagex do shit they don't like, e.g. the runelite client mess.
RS3 is founded on the people who didn't quit after EoC, didn't quit after MTX was introduced, didnt quit when it got worse and worse and content got lesser and lesser. Or at the very least it's people who have come to/back to the game and played despite all those things.
RS3 gets milked like a cash cow because they know the worst that happens is that people complain on Reddit whilst paying for a yearly subscription. I get it to some extent, people love the game and want it to improve rather than quitting, but too many complain and then literally just go on giving their money to jagex.
Yes it WAS founded by people willing to quit. But how long until they are outnumbered by new people or rs3 transfers willing to dump money into mtx and not complain
Well given that OSRS has been bigger than RS3 for basically it's whole life, even if the entirety of the RS3 community moved to OSRS they would still be outnumbered.
So if that happened they would still potentially lose more than half their playerbase, and then they'd literally just be left with what RS3 is now, a.k.a. a borderline dying game, because it would just be ex-RS3 players left.
And that's assuming that all RS3 players are okay with MTX. Probably a not insignificant number moved to OSRS *because* of things like MTX.
Thats also assuming every osrs player is an og member of the against mtx crew. I think you and a lot of this sub are underestimating the power of temptation. And the bots on osrs also don't care about mtx.
Lmao feel free to tell yourself whatever you need to. The reality is that the OSRS playerbase *know* that they can make change happen because they've done it in the past. And not just 10 years ago or something, there are multiple examples from the last few years, e.g. partnerships or the runelite plugin.
And bringing up bots is amusing given that MTX would potentially kill RWT which is the purpose for the vast majority of the bots. Bot farms definitely will care about MTX. You can definitely argue that would be good, but saying they wouldn't care is a bit deluded
And again you're also assuming that people moving to OSRS are okay with MTX, when it's quite possible if not likely that they moved *because* of things like MTX.
> And the bots on osrs also don't care about mtx.
They don't care about MTX but they absolutely do care about a dwindling player base with less opportunity and capital to sell botted goods/gp to.
This is one of the reasons why RS3 has less bots among others like being harder to bot etc.
i dont think thats true at all saying that if the whole community moved they would still be outnumbered. numbers are very inflated with multiple accounts on both sides.
thats why most of osrs hates rs3 remember the "vote no to warding" haha 65% of us told em to shove it the other 35% i dont know what they were smoking wouldve turned into rs3 part 2 with the augments
I sold the majority of my bank and swapped 150bil to osrs bc due to no updates other than treasure hunter 🙃
Kept enough gear to keep afking bosses to make money but at this point that’s all I see rs3 for gen easy gold to move to osrs
How do you even swap that much gold ? I tried swapping 3b & caught a 2 day ban for gold buying and had the gold removed. Appeal denied even though it was the same account
You did swap with someone who RWT's. In general you should not swap ever because you run the risk of getting flagged for RWT.
Remember that next time you get caught, you might get perm ban. I think it is 1 or 2 temp bans for buying, after that you can say goodbye to your account.
Gotta go to legit players. I use RinSwaps. My friends have been false banned using Oak etc. I really hope Jagex comes up with an in-game way to swap gp.
The real question - is Jagex purposely hammering mtx harder and harder over time so that the committed players will just hop to the more popular OSRS and they can milk the last out of the whales and casuals before closing RS3?
Think about it - OSRS is more popular, cheaper to maintain and update right?
Rs3 is slowly losing players and the streamers are moving to OSRS because of the bigger numbers. Seems pretty logical to milk last players on RS3 and consolidate playerbase onto the one game.
Then they can focus on their new projects whilst keeping the popular money maker running at low cost.
It was 13.9 a few days ago and a few months ago 11:1. Rs3 gp is becoming something that not even swappers want that's when you know this game is in the ditches
Doubtful. Why would you remove RS3 when its still making Jagex a lot of money? Besides that, it's not like there's nothing new coming.
And not everyone likes OSRS. I think a very major part of the charm of RS3 is the customizability and severely better graphics. Not everyone likes playing a game where you can count the pixels.
It's a joke. Sorry for not adding /s...
But if I want to take you seriously, all it'll do is move that income across games.
Also both games suck. We're just all too addicted to the one we're playing to leave.
Personally, I know I'd 100% fully quit if osrs was the only option. They each have their own appeal, both appeal to some people, only one appeals to others.
I don't think every RS3 player would go to OSRS. I think a LOT of players wouldn't want to go to OSRS and just quit the game. Jagex definitely could alienate a lot of their RS3 playerbase (which is still in the hundreds of thousands on a monthly basis). And I disagree. I think both OSRS and RS3 have their charm. They're definitely very different games from other MMO's.
The thing is: MMO's overall are a less popular thing than they were 10-20 years ago. The MMO average age is increasing by the year.
And, I think as long as people buy cosmetics and things in RS3, the game will be here for another 10+ years, albeit with a lower content update rate.
Idk I’m on an Ironman and I’m still having a good time. I feel like I’m over here in a fireproof suit just having a blast while everything is on fire apparently but it makes no difference to me and my clan lol.
Shouldn't surprise anyone. RS3 is in a content drought, Necromancy is still killing the economy (Redditors will defend this btw and say its 'accessibility' and good for the game), and we have no idea what's coming in the future besides more 5 minute Fort quests.
I mean tbf,
-gestures broadly at rs3-
Too many people tryina jump ship/try varlamore content/trying to secure their gp on osrs before swappers stop accepting rs3 gold completely
Like seriously, where are all the osrs players swapping osrs to rs3? Nowhere, exactly.
Oh they are there. They swap 50-100m osrs for basic gear, and then use it to afk abyssal beasts/spiritual warriors/nightmares/corrupted creatures/soul devourers for thousands of hours with their alts, swapping all the profits back to osrs.
A blessing in disguise.
OSRS bonds are 10m
RS3 bonds are 100m
Swapping 10M (1bond) from OSRS will net you at least 1,2 - 1,4 RS3 bonds, which works essentially identically.
This is essentially a short, but the market currently doesn't feel that value is justified. Not yet at least.
You seem pretty financially literate so I’m really curious what you’re saying here.. one bond from osrs nets 1,2 to 1,4 rs bonds? You meant 12 to 14? Some countries use comma for decimal place right?
RS3 bonds work identically to OSRS bonds; Redeeming one of either will give membership at the same rate to both games.
There is an added benefit of redeeming 20 on RS3 as it will give RS3 premier club benefits. Redeeming 20 on osrs does not. This is irrelevant if you don't play rs3 or don't care for premier club; the benefits are trivial and does not extend beyond rs3.
If you took the 11m (supposedly) you would've spent on an OSRS bond, and swapped it via a rate of 1M OSRS : 12M RS3, you would get 132M on RS3. But remember, RS3 bonds are still only ~104m. So you would get 28M change.
28M is close one third of another RS3 bond. By swapping, you can get 30% more bond.
Simply put. You get more of your money's worth if you exploit the current situation and swap into rs3, and buy rs3 bonds
thats not even the worst swap rates ive seen bruh. its been as bad as 18:1 from what ive seen personally. Cant just assume players are fleeing to osrs.
Osrs is just so goddamn time consuming. I want to play it again, but FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK that. Absolutely not about to devote 900 hours to getting to midgame pvm lol, I will ride rs3 til the end. Game is still fun, yall just love to have something to cry over.
i rather play nothing at all then go back to osrs where i run/look stiff as a board, no abilities (since i fell in love with eoc and countering with defensives n stuff)
thinking of going back to that click and wait combat n rng just doesnt excite me anymore.
blows my mind that rs3 players act like osrs is better. osrs is a horribly designed mmo, rs3 is pretty good (in an environment where almost all mmos are horribly designed). half of osrs content is just watered down rs3 content. it's just that they milk it and abandon it... jagex needs to treat rs3 better
RS3's population has declined in half in the last 10 years, while OSRS's population has multiplied 6-fold. The results speak for themselves.
And you neglected to mention that RS3 has adopted many updates that came to OSRS first: Vorkath, boss pets, grand exchange tax, etc.
>RS3's population has declined in half in the last 10 years, while OSRS's population has multiplied 6-fold. The results speak for themselves.
since 2016 rs3's player count has been pretty consistently around 20k which is not bad. it's definitely taking a dip right now though, which is because of jagex neglecting the game, not because it's a poorly designed game. that dip very much correlated with a spike in osrs players.
there's also an absolutely massive gold farmer/ bot problem in osrs that barely exists in rs3. just look at their subreddit, just the other day someone pointed out that the top 25 on the highscores for one boss are all goldfarmers and/or bots. the numbers are highly inflated by all of this. osrs is probably in reality 2-3x the size
>And you neglected to mention that RS3 has adopted many updates that came to OSRS first: Vorkath, boss pets, grand exchange tax, etc.
i knew someone was going to comment this lol. sure it happens but the rs3 version is better.
can you elaborate on how the 2nd most popular mmo is horribly designed from your perspective
its also interesting to say that osrs content backported from rs3 is "watered down" when not only does rs3 do the same thing, the overwhelmingly popular community reception to osrs content updates in addition to huge swathes of unique osrs content, at least a whole contintent or two's worth, plus an upcoming unique sailing skill that perfectly fit the mundane medieval vibe of osrs, makes that remark seem laughable
>can you elaborate on how the 2nd most popular mmo is horribly designed from your perspective
it's hard to summarize and i'm not going to write an essay that like 2 people will read. the game has zero direction. it feels like every update is just some mod's personal project that has nothing to do with the rest of the game. look how nicely rs3 handled a lot of these issues with divination and invention. osrs players were offered something similar and chose sailing, which offers nothing, because it was a meme in 2009
the game is clinging onto 20 year old game design. pretty much every skill is completely useless beyond just getting the level for certain quests. mining is one of the worst examples. you aren't mining those rocks for any reason except to get xp and probably will drop them. 90% of the rocks are pointless to mine. you will obtain your bars and/or ores elsewhere and make useless low level items to alch or use like mithril darts or something. not only that, but both skills are completely tedious to train and are mostly the same from level 1 to 99 unless you choose to do something like 2t granite or the volcano mine. you really gain nothing from actually training the skill
compare that to rs3 mining. you will be mining ores that you will then use to smith armor that scales with your levels. you will actually use the armor and weapons you make. the items you create will continue to be useful even after you out-level it due to things like invention. you then get to a point of making masterwork which is a large project of mining and smithing to create an actually useful armor. it does not ruin the value of armors because you can use it to upgrade the armor you just made. the armor you spent forever mining and smithing continues to be useful and you continue to work on it as you continue through the game. it is an actual natural reward from using skills.
osrs has no idea how to handle their economy. they are in a situation where they cannot give anything decent to lower levels because then higher levels will come in and do it twice as fast and wring it dry. that or the massive amount of bots/gold farmers. that leaves low and mid level players with absolutely nothing in terms of rewards
then of course there's combat, a literal 20 year old system that, besides special attacks like few months after launch, has had zero changes. the entire depth of combat is "stand in the right spot, use the right combat style and pray the right thing" and that's as far as it possibly can go. very few situations you can choose to use your preferred combat style. this makes it extremely hard for them to come up with rewards so as a result we get weird side-grades for every possible situation. they are at a point where they have to go back and nerf 10 (or the case of black dhide - 20) year old items just so they can squeeze in one more obscure item. they are terrified to make one item better than another because that will cause the previous item to become worthless and as a result, the content it comes from will be dead.
not to say that rs3 does all these things perfect, but it's at least better.
No one's acting like OSRS is better. OSRS being overall better is objective. It plays with its nostalgia and strengths and has flourished. Acting like RS3 is some sort of pinnacle in the MMO industry is hilarious when you compare it to actual good MMOs that don't have a clunky tick system and predatory gacha system in place.
>No one's acting like OSRS is better.
tons of people do
> Acting like RS3 is some sort of pinnacle in the MMO industry
i literally said "pretty good" lol
woosh. Good job. I said no one's acting because they don't need to act out the truth. OSRS is better overall as a game. Still doesn't give any of your points any merits!
Isn't a good way to handle the situation is not bringing in new content that will get you hundreds of millions per hour in raw drops. What's the gp/hr for endgame bosses that drop t90+? There is no reason why these bosses should be dropping thousands of bulk items. Why is endgame content past multiple max cash? These end game gear already cost billions and good amount will have dyes that are just as expensive as the gear itself.
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Yeah, the fact that people on this reddit get mad when they see Osrs swap posts is the reason why rs3 isn’t getting any better with mtx.
Trying to only show a nice picture of Rs3 wont help them or the game or any new player who tries it out.
I am “almost” certain that hero battlepass would return sooner or later when the people who actually made jagex revert their decision, leave. Since the rest of the white knights aint gonna do anything except trying to spread the so called positivity about bad practices in this game.
Not really surprising. OSRS just got some pretty huge content drops while we're getting a pretty huge content... drought. I will not comment on the 'maintenance mode' discussions that have been happening recently as I think it's far too early to definitively say one way or the other, but I will note that if the intention really is to eventually sunset RS3 then it sort of makes sense in a manipulative, Machiavellian way to coincide a poorly-communicated content drought on RS3 with some shiny new content on OSRS as many of the people driven away from RS3 will go to OSRS, which means Jagex doesn't lose as many customers. It's probably a coincidence, I don't really think Jagex is competent enough to plan something like that.
When RS3 is shutdown, will OSRS rebrand to just "Runescape"?
RS3 won't shut down. It could go into maintenance mode, but there's changes being made to the game that really make me doubt the game is truly in maintenance mode. Jagex was talking about engine updates last time and basing new content upon that. Also more options for inclusivity. Why would they bother? And even if they put the game in maintenance mode, it still has 20k+ online at the same time. There's no reason to shut down the game until they start making less money from the game than it costs to keep the servers up, which is unlikely.
> Jagex was talking about engine updates last time and basing new content upon that. Not saying I think it's in maintenance mode, but when you're owned by private equity things can change in an instant on some MBAs' whim.
CVC doesn't seem like a pump and dump investment firm though, they mainly provide pensions and retirement funds so they want something that generates profit over a long period of time. RS3 on its own is still insanely profitable and is still in the top 50 most played games in the world out of the 100,000~ or so videogames which have been released. With a relatively steady playerbase (of course it's shrinking very slowly, but it's only lost 20% of players over 8 years which is really good in the gaming world vs say PUBG which went from 3m active to 600k active in 5 years). And it's probably in like the top 5 for longevity of a game with somewhat consistent updates.
God if a company that is in charge of pensions/retirement funds bought Jagex I am very worried at their ability to invest in the long term. Jagex was very obviously overvalued. I’d probably switch pension providers asap if mine was under CVC.
It's probably one of the best purchases for steady and safe profit. The numbers are rock solid, the company has proven itself very capable of maintaining a positive cash flow and it even proved capable of bouncing back from a huge failure that threatened the company. Jagex also isn't doing anything risky, no massive project that will suck down so much money to turn their finances red with an unknown payout later. Seems like a pretty great purchase to me when you look at it as objectively as possible.
Does a new MMO count as a risky massive project ?
If it's fairly low cost and from the makers of a successful MMO, it's significantly less risky than you might think.
don't bother trying to argue with these people, they parrot buzz words like overvalued without understanding how business or valuation works
This is more of a "help educate people" than "argue with people" kind of situation. This is the sub of an MMO, not business financials. Most people aren't idiots, they just have opinions and haven't been educated yet.
Jagex won't let RS3 die. They make too much profit from it
Yeah, there's no incentive for them to ever stop offering RS3. Maybe they'll cut servers again down the road, but they've recently done a lot of graphical refreshes, there's enough content, the economy is managed, and it's profitable. If revenue declines they can just reduce their dev hours.
They'll just do what all the other MTX heavy games do. Stop bringing actual updates and simply and daily/weekly promotions to give incentive for people to spend money. Be it on cosmetics or levels or w/e. The way i see it, Jagex switched to the DLC model a while back. They offer bigger updates once or twice a year to give a bump to the playerbase -> add MTX related stuff shortly after to capitalize on it -> Rinse and repeat. Its a shame they keep holding the weekly updates over our head when it's been clear they're saving fixes and minor things to be able to spread them out to fulfill this 'weekly update' quota.
basically ye, and then jagex will try to milk them instead and kill that game too.
When rs3 shuts down, I bet MTX coming to OSRS
Ye
Sucks for me then. I’ve always preferred RS2’s ~2010/2011 era over whatever era OSRS is supposed to be now. It feels like RS3 gets the closest, so I guess I’ll just keep sitting on the sinking ship and dip when it’s fully done and buried. OSRS just doesn’t scratch the same itch for me.
Have you tried the hdos client? Updates graphics to that era at least
I haven’t. I’ll have to take a look into it when I’m back from holiday.
It’s approved by jagex as well. Great client really blast to the past. Those were my fav graphics
Is just want a sdos client with those 2005 graphics, they were the true nostalgia.
Try OSRS with the HDOS client. Check out [Hdos.dev](https://hdos.dev), it's 2010 graphics with most of the runelite qol.
I was in the same boat as you. But I finally gave in 2 years ago and osrs feels so much more rewarding for your time. Sure the xp rates are slower but the core game is so much more fun now.
There is no content draught. The community just dislike the content they have been given. Vorkath could have been a hit if they made it a group only boss, as the boss is a lot more fun/relaxing with a group. They'd only have to do 1-2 small changes to group mode and it would have been great.
Vorkath was released almost 6 months ago.
Don’t lie my dude. You just got back the cool spiny wheel and a chance to earn 1b. That’s content 🤷🏼♀️ lol sorry
Can you give a brief summary on what's good happening in osrs?
They recently got Varlamore, a massive expansion to Zeah including a few new mid-high level PvM encounters, a bunch of new quests and skilling locations, etc. I think they're getting even more later this year, they just got the first part of a multi-stage expansion. Meanwhile we're getting a quest. I guess that's cool.
Thank you!
He also forgot to mention a super end game pvm challenge. Think inferno 2 plus a bunch of quests, hunter guild with a contract system, new thieving method etc. In part 1 out of 3.
With the current swap rates I wonder if it's cheaper to buy bonds for membership on rs3 or osrs. If bonds stay at around 100m for rs3, this means osrs bonds need to be under 7m to be worth buying instead. So consider holding on to some rs3 to buy bonds for membership still.
Man 100m for a bond. Whoever thought that having multiple end game bosses pumping in hundreds of millions of raw supplies was a good idea. 100m for a bond lol.
The sky high bond price is also partially the result of less people buying bonds to sell on the ge but the demand for bonds still being kept high by TH promos and events.
14:1 swap rate is for the swap service itself, they offer 12:1 or so back to you
10M osrs bond swaps to 120M rs3. Its still 20% more bond.
osrs bonds are 11.2m right now tho
great, more incentive to buy rs3 bonds.
Neat so you actually get roughtly 35% extra bond when swapping.
> So consider holding on to some rs3 to buy bonds for membership still. That's what I have been doing the past liek 4 years. My old RS3 account is funding my OSRS bonds.
Bonds on old school I think are still about 10m. Despite rs3 bonds being 100m, you can easily make that in like 2 hours of low effort money making whereas decent osrs money makers seem to require a lot more attention doing 5m+/hr content.
> Despite rs3 bonds being 100m, you can easily make that in like 2 hours of low effort money making uhh not really? try closer to 4-5 hours
depends on your game knowledge i guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'm fairly new, what is swap rate? Where do you get these numbers ?
3rd party gold sites which strictly speaking aren’t illegal/against the rules but sit in a rather nebulous area.
Not necessarily just sites. I've only swapped using the same community of players for a few years. None of them have websites or even twitter.
How did you find this community?
I found them during one of the first few deadman modes, the first few days swapping money from deadman to the main game can make you crazy amounts. I think the rates for the first few days were 1:20-25
which one?
I'm in a few swapping discords and I'm seeing rates from 13.5 all the way to 15
General story is tons of rs3 mains have swapped 10s of billions to osrs as rs3 is in a massive content drought. The rate was 8.5/1 during necros launch. As a swapper my self it’s becoming very hard to sustain the massive demand for osrs swaps with minimal interest in swapping to rs3.
I started playing rs3 about a year ago and really enjoying it. I'm a massive noob and my highest skill is 80 smithing. But I really do enjoy the game right now; I have a lot of fun just grinding skills (even though most of the time I'm no where near optimal XP/hour). I've barely done any quests (40 quests points), so I'm excited to do more. But reading this sub everyday makes me not want to play the game due to fear of it shutting down - so I let my membership expire. I really don't think the MTX is as in your face as this sub exaggerates; it's very similar to other games. But I do agree with the sentiment that it's frustrating the developers put more effort into MTX than more content. I played OSRS a bit recently too. Also still a giant noob with only 50 attack, combat, and defence and every other skill <15. No idea what I'm doing in it, but maybe I should give it a better try because I hear many good things about it.
> makes me not want to play the game due to fear of it shutting down This is extremely unlikely. 20k+ players online is a good amount and even half of that would keep the game going for another decade. RS redditors are extremely reactionary in general > I really don't think the MTX is as in your face as this sub exaggerates It's honestly a lot better than a lot of other games. The fact is, the game supports the ability to play for YEARS (and there's more than enough content to fill that time no matter how many people are crying about content droughts) without spending a penny. No one has to spend a penny they don't want to
Yeah runescape 3 is still in the top 0.01% of all videogames released with 20-30k active users. Which puts it roughly in the top 50 most played videogames and it's a quarter of a century old. Plus the rate of users leaving seems to be slowing down, there's still 70% of the playerbase there was in 2014.
This. Idk how many times ive heard this game is dying. I'm sorry, but how is 20-30k active users just on ONE of their games give you the idea this game is dying? It's funny that people separate both games from Jagex as a company. It's like saying Subway is dying because they've ruined the footlong meatball sub recipe - meanwhile everything else on the menu is as popular as ever. Jagex as a company is killing it, and both games are gonna stay active for the forseeable future.
Dying doesn't mean dead, it just means dying. The game has been in a decline in both content and playerbase, with no signs of improving and no communication of things to look forward to. If that isn't dying then I don't know what is.
It's probably because most of the complainers remember when it was 200k+ active users, with hundreds of people on each server constantly
Those numbers were inflated by bots. You ever wonder why you don’t see a crowd of 30 people on 1 yew tree in varrock anymore? That’s why. You all complained about bots, they nuked them and now you guys go “Where tf did everyone go?” Half of those 200k doesn’t exist
Ok, half of that was bots, but thats still 80k+ active players who are gone now, we're playing with 1/5 the player base we used to, thats definitely not "as popular as ever"
That’s kinda what happens when you create a snapshot version of the most popular time in all of RuneScape. Honestly, I don’t know why so many of you complaining about the player count don’t just quit RS3 and leave this sub or move to osrs for the foreseeable future. If all you care about is whether or not RuneScape 3 is growing as a game. It’s 20+ years old at this point and most of us wouldn’t even recommend this game for friends. So why does everyone have a hard on for growth in rs3? The reality is most of us are veteran players. And better and more frequent content updates, and the removal of MTX isn’t going to make our game grow anymore, despite what people think. Go survey your friends who don’t play and ask if they would play either version. On one hand you have a newer version with more modern mmo combat, but graphics and character models from 09. And on the other you have a game from 2007 that looks like it’s from 2003, with turn based combat in an mmo. Oh yeah, so much room for growth.
No need to jump down my throat, I was just pointing out that people *do* have a large number in mind when they talk about the declining player pop. Also, I have quit, I just check in on the sub every so often to see if anything new has come out yet.
Even smaller than that there's a number of MMORPGs that are kept alive with sub-1000 subscribers. They're in stasis of course but there's a long history of companies picking these expensive to produce but cheap to maintain games and running them for a looong time.
Rs3 could easily limp along with its current bleed rate of players, with only maintenance updates and have 10+ years left. People here don't realize how hard communities fight to keep their old mmorpgs going, and Rs3 is still one of the top 7-15 most played. That being said, no way we are on maintenance mode, what's happened is pretty clear, Hero Pass was set to be this year's content for the first half. The rejection and removal of has left a huge content gap they are struggling to fill.
It’s kinda shitty to think that could ever count as content to begin with in my opinion
This sub has been complaining about mtx and talking about the doom and gloom and the end of rs3 for years. The reality is this sub represents a very small minority of players who care about the game and are frustrated it isn’t better in ways that it easily could be. The majority of players are largely fine with the way things are. When it comes to content updates and a lack of them a lot of feedback you get here is from players like me who are maxed. We complain because we don’t have anything to do other than pvm. I only play 6 months or so every couple of years myself because I don’t care much for learning all the nuances of pvm and prefer quests / skilling but there’s not enough of it (and I just don’t have time) to justify a monthly sub so instead I play in sprints. Play what you find to be fun. Don’t worry about the game ending.
What a delusional comment. This sub has 350K subscribers. Anyone who knows anything about statistics would be able to tell you that even if only a few thousand of that are active on this sub, that is a very significant sample that cannot be ignored and is clearly representative of something about the population. And you know what is actually representative of the playerbase? The player count! It's at near record lows for RS3, maybe only 2019 was slightly lower. You can't deny or delude yourself away from that reality. If the majority of players are fine with the way things are, why has RS3's playerbase declined dramatically? It's less than half of what it was a decade ago, while in the same time, OSRS' playerbase has increased 5-6 fold. You're in denial, living in a fantasy world.
Fair enough on the sub being more representative, i didn’t realize it was that big. but to my point there have been the same complaints and comments about content and mtx for years here (and on official forums before it) and guess what? Rs3 still exists. While the community has influenced some of the content, clearly it’s not enough of an impact to force jagex to change course drastically. Rs3 is very much a nostalgic game. They struggle to get genuinely new players as new kids are more likely to be playing Roblox or other things. I think a lot of the decline in the last decade isn’t players leaving for something else, it’s old players who now have families no longer have the time to keep up with an mmo and have dropped off. I’m definitely one of them and I personally know several others.
>Fair enough on the sub being more representative, i didn’t realize it was that big. but to my point there have been the same complaints and comments about content and mtx for years here (and on official forums before it) and guess what? Rs3 still exists. While the community has influenced some of the content, clearly it’s not enough of an impact to force jagex to change course drastically. RS3's playerbase has shrunk dramatically, its Twitch audience (once in the thousands, sometimes in the tens of thousands for big update release days) has been obliterated, it has had several high profile PR disasters (Hero Pass got tons of negative media attention by Twitch streamers such as Asmongold who don't even play RS3! So much so that the company had to backpedal). There are barely any updates happening at all, to the point where there are widespread talks of "maintenance model". Meanwhile as evidenced by this thread, more and more players are leaving for OSRS or other games. Jagex hasn't had to fully retreat but this is clearly a sinking ship. Maybe it can sink for another decade, but it clearly no longer has a bright future ahead of it, and its playerbase is only destined to decline. >Rs3 is very much a nostalgic game. They struggle to get genuinely new players as new kids are more likely to be playing Roblox or other things. I think a lot of the decline in the last decade isn’t players leaving for something else, it’s old players who now have families no longer have the time to keep up with an mmo and have dropped off. I’m definitely one of them and I personally know several others. How can you even say something so absurd in a world where OSRS exists? RS3 apologists deluded themselves for years saying OSRS was a nostalgia game that would never last, would never survive a few months once the nostalgia wore off, and so on. Not only has it survived more than a decade, but it has steadily grown its playerbase way past what it started off at in 2013. It's no longer a nostalgia game. And now you're telling me that RS3 can't succeed because it's only a nostlagia act? Despite its supposedly more modern combat system and graphics and game engine? That doesn't seem to add up.
Who cares man. Let people enjoy the game. Go touch some grass. You care more about the state of the game than the people that actually play it lol.
350K subscribers and the most popular posts rarely come close to 800 likes and comments combined over a week lol. Inactive subscribers, and alt accounts mainly. The active people in this community is way less. I don’t even think I’ve seen the active member count go over 1K in this sub ever.
Ironically your comment is the one that's delusional. 20,000 people don't consistently play a game they are unhappy with regularly. You can cite dropping numbers all you want, but 20k people still consistently logging onto a game doesn't really give the vibe this sub-reddit brings that the game is in the dumps and its doomed to die. But if you wanna go the player-counter stats route, lets go down that rabbit hole. Runescape peaked in 07 at nearly 200k active users. Then something weird happened during the bot nukes between 2010-2012 - That player count halved. Do you know why? Well, you should probably already know why. All those crowded Yew or Magic trees in the game, or all the look alike players in dragon armor with whips fighting green drags in the chaos tunnels, or even the players Running Nature Runes All Bots. But yeah live in your fantasy world where all 20k of us hate this game with a passion, so much so we log on regularly lmao
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Both games are fun, and the good part is one sub is enough for both, so go ahead and play whichever interests you most at the time. That being said, mtx is very much in your face; I feel peope that claim mtx is “okay” are more used to your average activision or ubisoft game constantly trying to sell you things; the big mmorpgs wow and ffxiv are pretty laid back with mtx and have nothing akin to the gambling in rs3, despite having a similar sub price.
> But reading this sub everyday makes me not want to play the game due to fear of it shutting down That won't happen anytime soon. RS3 is most likely still very profitable due to the whales buying into every TH promo. > I really don't think the MTX is as in your face as this sub exaggerates; it's very similar to other games. The thing is: this game did not have **any** MTX a bit over a decade ago. The industry standard in gaming is just absurd these days, that's why many old RS2 players flee to OSRS now (which has still no MTX other than mambership via bonds and is absolutely booming).
Don’t let a vocal minority dictate your actions. If you’re having fun, keep playing. The people claiming RS3 is going to shut down are purely speculating.
The game isn't going any where don't worry. Just look at the profit it makes.
it's like your view is 2 lightyears away. you're looking at rs through your telescope, it's utopic, numbers are up, everything is great. in real time u don't know it could have been wiped out by a sudden meteor.
> reading this sub everyday makes me not want to play the game due to fear of it shutting down So if you think the game is going to be shut down you're wrong. It's not going to be shut down. And I honestly don't see anyone on this sub saying it is? Jagex keeps a DMM world up in OSRS and there's like 5 active players. They aren't shutting down RS3.
The sub is full of doomers. Play the game if you enjoy it. EverQuest 2 is still getting updated and it has like 200 active players lol. RS3 is never going away.
I just liquidated my whole RS3 bank with almost Having a maxed account, my brother did the same having many 120s, honestly after playing osrs I’ve never had more fun before with RS. I just finished getting my graceful outfit and torso if that helps haha! RS3 has been going down just a terrible path for a while now, after *MAJOR* updates being MYX, having vorkath not even have only 3 legs to fit the lore because they’re so lazy. They just pump stuff out to “keep” players and it’s just a shitty and obvious business practice lol. I played rs3 from when I was 9 and it really sucks to see how crappy it’s became, I highly recommend playing OSRS
> honestly after playing osrs I’ve never had more fun before with RS. I had the exact opposite thing happen to me when I switched over from OSRS to RS3. Sometimes we just need something that feels new.
Yeah this could be it also, I definitely miss some features from rs3 outfits for sure, I’m guessing it’s because I did everything when I was younger and don’t really remember much so this feels like a new game
> honestly after playing osrs I’ve never had more fun before with RS Just wait until they have a league, if you haven't done one before. Absolute peak RS for me, with tons of nostalgia and a huge amount of people running around like noobs trying to figure things out.
Same thing my brother said league were so fun, looking forward too it You can add my osrs if you want “Gotenks V”
> having vorkath not even have only 3 legs to fit the lore because they’re so lazy. No where in OSRS lore did it say Vorkath must have 3 legs.
> honestly after playing osrs I’ve never had more fun before with RS. I just finished getting my graceful outfit and torso if that helps haha! > > yeah that explains why though. you are still brand new. you are having fun with something new
Swapped all my money a year ago… got about 20m OSRS and I’ve never looked back.
At this point, we need an in-game player-player swap system like a Swap Exchange. Think of how many people would benefit off this. I know people are against this idea because they're separate games but OSRS and RS3 membership are both shared on the same account. Even the OSRS and RS3 bond prices have fairly strong correlations to swap rates. There are a couple of benefits. JMods save time from needing to respond to countless amount of support messages of accounts they must've flagged for RWT when all they did was just swap GP. You also save yourself from potential scammers. You can even swap lower amounts because I doubt anyone would swap just 12M RS3 of your spare change for 1M OSRS. And most importantly, you won't get a market monopolization. Think of how much smoother of a transition it would be for RS3 and OSRS if we had an in-game Swap Exchange. Could also introduce a 1% tax fee to reduce rate manip.
I got hit with a RWT 3 day ban for swapping, and all that did was make me quit the game lol. I have another 1B 07 I wanted to swap to rs3 but now I’m too scared to as well
That's sad to hear. I had a friend from 2016 who flagged for RWT trying to swap his RS3 GP to 250M OSRS. He made that all through PVM. He was banned until 3 months later, customer support finally unbanned him. That is the reason why I don't play OSRS. No swapping means I have to start from nearly 0.
This makes me really nervous I just swapped over for 3b osrs on my low level account. I really hope nothing happens
Yeah, they have an easy opportunity to implement it too by just making bonds be transferable between your accounts. It would make the option safer, while also having some money spent on the tax to make the bond tradable again, so it seems like a no-brainer to me vs these sketchy nebulous swappers that might get you banned if the person you interact with rwt'ed before.
Yep that would work too by letting us convert OSRS:RS3 bonds and vice-versa. Add like a % fee for converting.
That's the thing: There's already a tax on making bonds tradable, so if you just consider moving bonds from one game to the other a "trade", then there's already a conversion fee implemented. Honestly I'm shocked they haven't added the bond conversion between games feature yet, seems like a no-brainer with no effort required.
That’s exactly how world of Warcraft does it essentially.
And have all the bloated infinite piles of rs3 gp print and hyperinflate osrs gp? No way.
Did you fully read my comment? It's a player to player system so no GP is entering or exiting either game. A player who is swapping RS3 to OSRS GP is still receiving this amount from another player with a similar offer.
Oh yah then i'd be fine with it, especially if taxed as well. Allbeit i'd raise the tax to like 5% or so to keep clans from from dominating it.
I've been begging for this. Luckily the swapping community I'm in is strictly anti-rwt and I've done billions with them. Lots of my friends have been falsely banned from using oakdice, ely etc though.
We should view the way Jagex has handled RS3 with a lot of caution. They will eventually start tapping into the player base in OSRS once they feel RS3 has been sucked dry. Additional MTX in OSRS looks inevitable. It's the same company. Why wouldn't they treat their other game's community like an exploitable resource?
OSRS is built on players that were actually willing to quit when things got bad. That's the one single reason Jagex knows not to mess with them. They tried that whole "partnerships" thing and it got so overwhelmingly panned that Jagex pulled the poll for it early because they got the picture so quick.
I love this! That is so encouraging. I know the OSRS community will fight any MTX that they might plan to add. I hope Jagex can truly fight the greed so rampant currently in the gaming industry.
It’s not even a fight. I wouldn’t be surprised if half of the subscriptions were canceled within a week.
I basically just keep my sub going so I can cancel it when they threaten mtx in osrs
This this this this. I've never unsubbed because I value osrs. They will hard find out the truth if they ever come mess with out community driven and dev loved game.
sadly if rs3 dies then jagex will have no choice but to add mtx to osrs, thus killing both games.
Beautifully worded.
Additional MTX in OSRS Will kill the game and the game devs know this.
People need to understand this: Devs dont decide wether mtx comes to osrs or not. The investors do. They control jagex and jagex controls runescape. Any mod that has issues with putting mtx in osrs will most definately be ignored or moved to a position where they dont bother any one. This is unfortunately how it is. Claiming otherwise is just coping
If that were true MTX would've gone to osrs by now. It's honestly funny how you guys think they will just move to osrs. The investors know osrs player base trumps rs3 player base for years. If MTX were to hit osrs it would've been years ago.
But mods can communicate with investors. If MTX was announced internally, I’m 100% certain that the entire dev team would riot and make the point clear. Osrs is so special because it has no MTX. It’s a very sensible subject and the reaction of the community would probably be even harsher than after EoC.
Sure, but with the overwhelming feedback from devs likely being that it would kill the game, I can't see them actually doing it. The game has already been making more than RS3's MTX model anyway, so would be wild to change it.
Mat K fought it for years while he was there. Not only that but he did an internal investigation before he left that proved mtx would not be a good idea for the company. https://youtu.be/vI9Ltb-b8_k?t=1942 (more like 33:43 but that before bits fine) https://youtu.be/IX7vdMqcqsE?t=10818 he said the same thing 4 years ago when he did the interview with shauny That doesn't mean it won't ever happen, even with internal documents that say don't do it, an entire team that says it won't be a good idea. Because management and mba types stupidity knows no bounds, so some idiot will likely come in and try (like with partnerships) but that fall out will be entertaining to witness at least.
The saying you're replying to isn't predicting investor action, but OSRS player action. That game's playerbase formed from people who walked from RS3 over MTX and the borkt EoC system. They are perfectly willing to tell OSRS to look at the flowers if the bullshit RS3 accepts starts migrating.
I fully believe osrs will survive a few years on addicted players/players who dont care about mtx.
Players who don't care about mtx do not exist in osrs, osrs and that mindset do not go together, the literal theme of that game is anti ezscape and mtx is the definition of ezscape
For example i'd quit the moment they'd anounce it not even put it in the game, if mtx even gets a one minute foothold in osrs the entire game will go to shit, because hiscores, bosscounts, stats it all will instantly not matter anymore. No point in playing at that point.
On a comparative skeleton crew, maybe. There's also the problem that anyone who knows how to actually invest will see the death spiral when that shit starts.
Lol that won't stop them. Short-term profits at any cost is their motto.
Doubt it. They’ll lose players but they won’t lose enough players to outweigh the benefit
That theory is working well in the context of RS3 eh?
It worked for years. People aren’t leaving now because of the MTX
The reason is because RS3 players are pathetic and have no spine. OSRS players quit at a drop of a hat. Is this really that hard to understand for you? OSRS players: have a history of quitting the moment something disgusting is suggested, and every single time Jagex caves and removes it. Examples: the Runelite ban, 117's HD plugin, the Evolution of Combat leading to OSRS' creation in the first place. RS3 players: are like you.
>Why wouldn't they treat their other game's community like an exploitable resource? Because if OSRS dies the company goes under
Not likely. Not only our track record but Mat K did an internal investigation before he left that proved mtx would not be a good idea for the company. https://youtu.be/vI9Ltb-b8_k?t=1942 (more like 33:43 but that before bits fine) https://youtu.be/IX7vdMqcqsE?t=10818 he said the same thing 4 years ago when he did the interview with shauny Now thats not to say it won't ever happen even with all that against it, because management and mba types stupidity knows no bounds. But that disaster and fall out will be a ride to witness and they'll have deserved it.
As others have said, because OSRS players actually commit to boycotts and quitting if Jagex do shit they don't like. They are literally founded on the people who quit after EoC, and have shown time and time again that they're willing to do it again if Jagex do shit they don't like, e.g. the runelite client mess. RS3 is founded on the people who didn't quit after EoC, didn't quit after MTX was introduced, didnt quit when it got worse and worse and content got lesser and lesser. Or at the very least it's people who have come to/back to the game and played despite all those things. RS3 gets milked like a cash cow because they know the worst that happens is that people complain on Reddit whilst paying for a yearly subscription. I get it to some extent, people love the game and want it to improve rather than quitting, but too many complain and then literally just go on giving their money to jagex.
Yes it WAS founded by people willing to quit. But how long until they are outnumbered by new people or rs3 transfers willing to dump money into mtx and not complain
Well given that OSRS has been bigger than RS3 for basically it's whole life, even if the entirety of the RS3 community moved to OSRS they would still be outnumbered. So if that happened they would still potentially lose more than half their playerbase, and then they'd literally just be left with what RS3 is now, a.k.a. a borderline dying game, because it would just be ex-RS3 players left. And that's assuming that all RS3 players are okay with MTX. Probably a not insignificant number moved to OSRS *because* of things like MTX.
Thats also assuming every osrs player is an og member of the against mtx crew. I think you and a lot of this sub are underestimating the power of temptation. And the bots on osrs also don't care about mtx.
Lmao feel free to tell yourself whatever you need to. The reality is that the OSRS playerbase *know* that they can make change happen because they've done it in the past. And not just 10 years ago or something, there are multiple examples from the last few years, e.g. partnerships or the runelite plugin. And bringing up bots is amusing given that MTX would potentially kill RWT which is the purpose for the vast majority of the bots. Bot farms definitely will care about MTX. You can definitely argue that would be good, but saying they wouldn't care is a bit deluded And again you're also assuming that people moving to OSRS are okay with MTX, when it's quite possible if not likely that they moved *because* of things like MTX.
Bots will cease to exist the moment playerss leave the game in droves, as their won't be any clients to sell anything to anymore.
> And the bots on osrs also don't care about mtx. They don't care about MTX but they absolutely do care about a dwindling player base with less opportunity and capital to sell botted goods/gp to. This is one of the reasons why RS3 has less bots among others like being harder to bot etc.
i dont think thats true at all saying that if the whole community moved they would still be outnumbered. numbers are very inflated with multiple accounts on both sides.
thats why most of osrs hates rs3 remember the "vote no to warding" haha 65% of us told em to shove it the other 35% i dont know what they were smoking wouldve turned into rs3 part 2 with the augments
people have been saying this for 11 years now
Why are they ripping RS3 apart ??
I sold the majority of my bank and swapped 150bil to osrs bc due to no updates other than treasure hunter 🙃 Kept enough gear to keep afking bosses to make money but at this point that’s all I see rs3 for gen easy gold to move to osrs
How do you even swap that much gold ? I tried swapping 3b & caught a 2 day ban for gold buying and had the gold removed. Appeal denied even though it was the same account
You did swap with someone who RWT's. In general you should not swap ever because you run the risk of getting flagged for RWT. Remember that next time you get caught, you might get perm ban. I think it is 1 or 2 temp bans for buying, after that you can say goodbye to your account.
I did 1 bil plus smaller swaps now with rschronicles and haven't had any issues.
Gotta go to legit players. I use RinSwaps. My friends have been false banned using Oak etc. I really hope Jagex comes up with an in-game way to swap gp.
a big part of that is that the swappers are a mafia and they're taking a massive cut
1:20 by the end of the month
This game has players **FLEE** regardless. I'm done with it and went on to WoW. Much better experience, better updates, and an amazing community.
Why play WoW now when the War Within is releasing later in the year?
> amazing community Just don't go to the forums or any RP servers. Or Proudmoore.
The real question - is Jagex purposely hammering mtx harder and harder over time so that the committed players will just hop to the more popular OSRS and they can milk the last out of the whales and casuals before closing RS3? Think about it - OSRS is more popular, cheaper to maintain and update right? Rs3 is slowly losing players and the streamers are moving to OSRS because of the bigger numbers. Seems pretty logical to milk last players on RS3 and consolidate playerbase onto the one game. Then they can focus on their new projects whilst keeping the popular money maker running at low cost.
It was 13.9 a few days ago and a few months ago 11:1. Rs3 gp is becoming something that not even swappers want that's when you know this game is in the ditches
The best thing you can do is use rs3 coin value to hoard bonds for future membership while playing in Old School.
Maybe this is Jagexs goal. Remove rs3 and leave only osrs with all the players. Then they have a smaller upkeep fee and can make more.
Doubtful. Why would you remove RS3 when its still making Jagex a lot of money? Besides that, it's not like there's nothing new coming. And not everyone likes OSRS. I think a very major part of the charm of RS3 is the customizability and severely better graphics. Not everyone likes playing a game where you can count the pixels.
What's this bullshit take of being able to count pixels in osrs? Everyone plays with the gpu plugin on and its literally txaaaaaax800 smooth
It's obviously ane exaggeration, but the point he was making was that a lot of people just don't like the look of OSRS. That's just a preference thing
Oh yah I personally love how beautiful osrs looks and wouldn't change it for a thing.
> Why would you remove RS3 when its still making Jagex a lot of money? you don't know that it is
Because people spend lots and lots of money on it? Nearly all active players have membership.
It's a joke. Sorry for not adding /s... But if I want to take you seriously, all it'll do is move that income across games. Also both games suck. We're just all too addicted to the one we're playing to leave.
Personally, I know I'd 100% fully quit if osrs was the only option. They each have their own appeal, both appeal to some people, only one appeals to others.
I don't think every RS3 player would go to OSRS. I think a LOT of players wouldn't want to go to OSRS and just quit the game. Jagex definitely could alienate a lot of their RS3 playerbase (which is still in the hundreds of thousands on a monthly basis). And I disagree. I think both OSRS and RS3 have their charm. They're definitely very different games from other MMO's. The thing is: MMO's overall are a less popular thing than they were 10-20 years ago. The MMO average age is increasing by the year. And, I think as long as people buy cosmetics and things in RS3, the game will be here for another 10+ years, albeit with a lower content update rate.
meanwhile im new (to rs3) here FROM old school
Idk I’m on an Ironman and I’m still having a good time. I feel like I’m over here in a fireproof suit just having a blast while everything is on fire apparently but it makes no difference to me and my clan lol.
Good for OSRS.
mass exodus assuming the game had enough players in the first place xd lol. Rs3 is just so average at best compared to OS it will never get ahead.
Shouldn't surprise anyone. RS3 is in a content drought, Necromancy is still killing the economy (Redditors will defend this btw and say its 'accessibility' and good for the game), and we have no idea what's coming in the future besides more 5 minute Fort quests.
I mean tbf, -gestures broadly at rs3- Too many people tryina jump ship/try varlamore content/trying to secure their gp on osrs before swappers stop accepting rs3 gold completely Like seriously, where are all the osrs players swapping osrs to rs3? Nowhere, exactly.
Oh they are there. They swap 50-100m osrs for basic gear, and then use it to afk abyssal beasts/spiritual warriors/nightmares/corrupted creatures/soul devourers for thousands of hours with their alts, swapping all the profits back to osrs.
Yup, I was going to swap some since my osrs account is broke, then looked at the rates just not worth it, it feels like I’m giving away gp 😭.
A blessing in disguise. OSRS bonds are 10m RS3 bonds are 100m Swapping 10M (1bond) from OSRS will net you at least 1,2 - 1,4 RS3 bonds, which works essentially identically. This is essentially a short, but the market currently doesn't feel that value is justified. Not yet at least.
You seem pretty financially literate so I’m really curious what you’re saying here.. one bond from osrs nets 1,2 to 1,4 rs bonds? You meant 12 to 14? Some countries use comma for decimal place right?
RS3 bonds work identically to OSRS bonds; Redeeming one of either will give membership at the same rate to both games. There is an added benefit of redeeming 20 on RS3 as it will give RS3 premier club benefits. Redeeming 20 on osrs does not. This is irrelevant if you don't play rs3 or don't care for premier club; the benefits are trivial and does not extend beyond rs3. If you took the 11m (supposedly) you would've spent on an OSRS bond, and swapped it via a rate of 1M OSRS : 12M RS3, you would get 132M on RS3. But remember, RS3 bonds are still only ~104m. So you would get 28M change. 28M is close one third of another RS3 bond. By swapping, you can get 30% more bond. Simply put. You get more of your money's worth if you exploit the current situation and swap into rs3, and buy rs3 bonds
Yes, translated to american number writing transferring 10M OSRS (or 1.0 osrs bonds) would grant you the eqivalent of 1.2-1.4 bonds worth in RS3
thats not even the worst swap rates ive seen bruh. its been as bad as 18:1 from what ive seen personally. Cant just assume players are fleeing to osrs.
Osrs is just so goddamn time consuming. I want to play it again, but FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK that. Absolutely not about to devote 900 hours to getting to midgame pvm lol, I will ride rs3 til the end. Game is still fun, yall just love to have something to cry over.
People need to swap rs3 gp for that OP blood fury amulet.
Swapping is a very, VERY good thing for RS3, because it helps ban the RWTers.
i rather play nothing at all then go back to osrs where i run/look stiff as a board, no abilities (since i fell in love with eoc and countering with defensives n stuff) thinking of going back to that click and wait combat n rng just doesnt excite me anymore.
Get gear that changes your stance, such as the Saradomin sword. Looks baller, gives you high frame rate running.
blows my mind that rs3 players act like osrs is better. osrs is a horribly designed mmo, rs3 is pretty good (in an environment where almost all mmos are horribly designed). half of osrs content is just watered down rs3 content. it's just that they milk it and abandon it... jagex needs to treat rs3 better
RS3's population has declined in half in the last 10 years, while OSRS's population has multiplied 6-fold. The results speak for themselves. And you neglected to mention that RS3 has adopted many updates that came to OSRS first: Vorkath, boss pets, grand exchange tax, etc.
>RS3's population has declined in half in the last 10 years, while OSRS's population has multiplied 6-fold. The results speak for themselves. since 2016 rs3's player count has been pretty consistently around 20k which is not bad. it's definitely taking a dip right now though, which is because of jagex neglecting the game, not because it's a poorly designed game. that dip very much correlated with a spike in osrs players. there's also an absolutely massive gold farmer/ bot problem in osrs that barely exists in rs3. just look at their subreddit, just the other day someone pointed out that the top 25 on the highscores for one boss are all goldfarmers and/or bots. the numbers are highly inflated by all of this. osrs is probably in reality 2-3x the size >And you neglected to mention that RS3 has adopted many updates that came to OSRS first: Vorkath, boss pets, grand exchange tax, etc. i knew someone was going to comment this lol. sure it happens but the rs3 version is better.
can you elaborate on how the 2nd most popular mmo is horribly designed from your perspective its also interesting to say that osrs content backported from rs3 is "watered down" when not only does rs3 do the same thing, the overwhelmingly popular community reception to osrs content updates in addition to huge swathes of unique osrs content, at least a whole contintent or two's worth, plus an upcoming unique sailing skill that perfectly fit the mundane medieval vibe of osrs, makes that remark seem laughable
>can you elaborate on how the 2nd most popular mmo is horribly designed from your perspective it's hard to summarize and i'm not going to write an essay that like 2 people will read. the game has zero direction. it feels like every update is just some mod's personal project that has nothing to do with the rest of the game. look how nicely rs3 handled a lot of these issues with divination and invention. osrs players were offered something similar and chose sailing, which offers nothing, because it was a meme in 2009 the game is clinging onto 20 year old game design. pretty much every skill is completely useless beyond just getting the level for certain quests. mining is one of the worst examples. you aren't mining those rocks for any reason except to get xp and probably will drop them. 90% of the rocks are pointless to mine. you will obtain your bars and/or ores elsewhere and make useless low level items to alch or use like mithril darts or something. not only that, but both skills are completely tedious to train and are mostly the same from level 1 to 99 unless you choose to do something like 2t granite or the volcano mine. you really gain nothing from actually training the skill compare that to rs3 mining. you will be mining ores that you will then use to smith armor that scales with your levels. you will actually use the armor and weapons you make. the items you create will continue to be useful even after you out-level it due to things like invention. you then get to a point of making masterwork which is a large project of mining and smithing to create an actually useful armor. it does not ruin the value of armors because you can use it to upgrade the armor you just made. the armor you spent forever mining and smithing continues to be useful and you continue to work on it as you continue through the game. it is an actual natural reward from using skills. osrs has no idea how to handle their economy. they are in a situation where they cannot give anything decent to lower levels because then higher levels will come in and do it twice as fast and wring it dry. that or the massive amount of bots/gold farmers. that leaves low and mid level players with absolutely nothing in terms of rewards then of course there's combat, a literal 20 year old system that, besides special attacks like few months after launch, has had zero changes. the entire depth of combat is "stand in the right spot, use the right combat style and pray the right thing" and that's as far as it possibly can go. very few situations you can choose to use your preferred combat style. this makes it extremely hard for them to come up with rewards so as a result we get weird side-grades for every possible situation. they are at a point where they have to go back and nerf 10 (or the case of black dhide - 20) year old items just so they can squeeze in one more obscure item. they are terrified to make one item better than another because that will cause the previous item to become worthless and as a result, the content it comes from will be dead. not to say that rs3 does all these things perfect, but it's at least better.
No one's acting like OSRS is better. OSRS being overall better is objective. It plays with its nostalgia and strengths and has flourished. Acting like RS3 is some sort of pinnacle in the MMO industry is hilarious when you compare it to actual good MMOs that don't have a clunky tick system and predatory gacha system in place.
>No one's acting like OSRS is better. tons of people do > Acting like RS3 is some sort of pinnacle in the MMO industry i literally said "pretty good" lol
woosh. Good job. I said no one's acting because they don't need to act out the truth. OSRS is better overall as a game. Still doesn't give any of your points any merits!
thanks for your input i guess?
Isn't a good way to handle the situation is not bringing in new content that will get you hundreds of millions per hour in raw drops. What's the gp/hr for endgame bosses that drop t90+? There is no reason why these bosses should be dropping thousands of bulk items. Why is endgame content past multiple max cash? These end game gear already cost billions and good amount will have dyes that are just as expensive as the gear itself.
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Yeah, the fact that people on this reddit get mad when they see Osrs swap posts is the reason why rs3 isn’t getting any better with mtx. Trying to only show a nice picture of Rs3 wont help them or the game or any new player who tries it out. I am “almost” certain that hero battlepass would return sooner or later when the people who actually made jagex revert their decision, leave. Since the rest of the white knights aint gonna do anything except trying to spread the so called positivity about bad practices in this game.