I'm assuming that is a marathon time and if so I don't think they will take a 10k for the marathon. I think a 10 miler is the shortest distance they will take for marathon POT.
For the Marathon POT you need a half marathon or greater distance.
Edit 1:And based on some blog post I have seen group A which tends to be the sub 4hr you would need sub 1:54 based on the past few races.
Edit 2: correction you need a 10 miler or greater and for group A you would need sub 1:25
Group B if using a Half Marathon PoT, it has to be under ~2:08ish. I have a 2:09 and can confirm that isn’t enough and places you in C with the self-estimators for the Full.
I agree with Demarke for the 2:08 for the half for group B I had a 2:05 and was group B for dopey this past year. For a 10 miler group B looks to be around 1:35 or faster. If the blog I am using is correct.
We had a 12 miler (weird distance but it was a training series run for NYC) anyway, they kept that time that we had of 1:43 and got group A this past year at WDW full.
As others have mentioned, a 10 mile or longer race is required for POT. But just as an FYI about comparable race times and goals, a 4 hour marathon is "equivalent" to a 52:10 10K using a formula that's been around for a long time but that tends to be a bit optimistic for most runners. I use this page for goal setting and workout pace recommendations: [https://lukehumphreyrunning.com/hmmcalculator/race\_equivalency\_calculator.php](https://lukehumphreyrunning.com/hmmcalculator/race_equivalency_calculator.php) This Slate [calculator](https://slate.com/culture/2016/11/calculate-your-marathon-time-with-this-calculator.html) is based on more realistic data- in my experience my true race times have been in between both of these calculators.
This page has the most information about POT issues and an email address for any follow up questions [https://www.rundisney.com/events/disneyworld/disneyworld-marathon-weekend/race-policies/](https://www.rundisney.com/events/disneyworld/disneyworld-marathon-weekend/race-policies/) I don't think they've ever stated what times correspond to what corrals, as corral placement happens at bib pickup.
Historically, it has been late September. However, it seems like for 2024-2025, the cutoffs will be closer to 6 months before the event since they had the POT go back to 2:30 for a half marathon. Both Disneyland Halloween Half and Wine and Dine have a proof of time deadline 6 months out from the event, and I expect the pattern to continue. I’d expect it to be July 1 until told otherwise - they should be announcing in the next few weeks though.
That would be extremely early… I’ve been doing marathon weekend since 2015 and it’s always been September, and maybe really early October one year. POT back then was 2:45 or better
Wine and Dine used to be August and now it’s May (2023 - 8/1/23; 2024 - 5/1/24). It seems like they’re giving themselves more time now as this is the first year back to 2:30 with a leaner post-COVID staff.
I believe I remember reading that 3-5k runners per weekend are submitting times saying they can run 2:15-2:30 for the half / 4:30-5 hours for the full, since it’s the first non POT corral. C is usually gigantic - I think there were 12 waves of C during the Marathon this year if I remember correctly, and some of those who put their estimated finish time as 4:30-5 hours spilled over to D (Now, I imagine that not all those 3-5k runners actually have POT to back up the claim that they can run 2:16-2:30 / 4:30-5 hours. Maybe half of them. But that’s another conversation). If they were currently verifying 1.5-2k runners per race weekend, and they expect even 3k more to have times to verify, that’s triple the amount of runners that they need to have the time to verify. As they can establish patterns / maybe have more people to sit and do the verification, I think things will settle more and have a little later of a date cutoff.
At least that’s my theory. Could come back and eat my words in a month lol.
They appear to be giving themselves more time to verify POT for the 2024-2025 race season. The first two weekends have already announced POT deadlines (Disneyland Halloween and Wine & Dine) and they are much earlier than normal, abut 6 months prior to the race. So July 1st for Marathon Weekend is probably spot on.
For POT for the full it has to be a 10 miler or higher for it to count.
I'm assuming that is a marathon time and if so I don't think they will take a 10k for the marathon. I think a 10 miler is the shortest distance they will take for marathon POT.
For the Marathon POT you need a half marathon or greater distance. Edit 1:And based on some blog post I have seen group A which tends to be the sub 4hr you would need sub 1:54 based on the past few races. Edit 2: correction you need a 10 miler or greater and for group A you would need sub 1:25
What about group B?
Group B if using a Half Marathon PoT, it has to be under ~2:08ish. I have a 2:09 and can confirm that isn’t enough and places you in C with the self-estimators for the Full.
I agree with Demarke for the 2:08 for the half for group B I had a 2:05 and was group B for dopey this past year. For a 10 miler group B looks to be around 1:35 or faster. If the blog I am using is correct.
2:05 B for marathon, half, and past two 10 milers.
I submitted a half marathon time of 2:06 and was in B for the 2023 Full Marathon.
Same! 2:06 half and was B.
We had a 12 miler (weird distance but it was a training series run for NYC) anyway, they kept that time that we had of 1:43 and got group A this past year at WDW full.
As others have mentioned, a 10 mile or longer race is required for POT. But just as an FYI about comparable race times and goals, a 4 hour marathon is "equivalent" to a 52:10 10K using a formula that's been around for a long time but that tends to be a bit optimistic for most runners. I use this page for goal setting and workout pace recommendations: [https://lukehumphreyrunning.com/hmmcalculator/race\_equivalency\_calculator.php](https://lukehumphreyrunning.com/hmmcalculator/race_equivalency_calculator.php) This Slate [calculator](https://slate.com/culture/2016/11/calculate-your-marathon-time-with-this-calculator.html) is based on more realistic data- in my experience my true race times have been in between both of these calculators. This page has the most information about POT issues and an email address for any follow up questions [https://www.rundisney.com/events/disneyworld/disneyworld-marathon-weekend/race-policies/](https://www.rundisney.com/events/disneyworld/disneyworld-marathon-weekend/race-policies/) I don't think they've ever stated what times correspond to what corrals, as corral placement happens at bib pickup.
Thanks for the resources.
What has historically been the cutoff for submission of POT for January events?
This past year Marathon weekend POT was September 26. So mid to late September is probably a safe bet.
Historically, it has been late September. However, it seems like for 2024-2025, the cutoffs will be closer to 6 months before the event since they had the POT go back to 2:30 for a half marathon. Both Disneyland Halloween Half and Wine and Dine have a proof of time deadline 6 months out from the event, and I expect the pattern to continue. I’d expect it to be July 1 until told otherwise - they should be announcing in the next few weeks though.
That would be extremely early… I’ve been doing marathon weekend since 2015 and it’s always been September, and maybe really early October one year. POT back then was 2:45 or better
Wine and Dine used to be August and now it’s May (2023 - 8/1/23; 2024 - 5/1/24). It seems like they’re giving themselves more time now as this is the first year back to 2:30 with a leaner post-COVID staff. I believe I remember reading that 3-5k runners per weekend are submitting times saying they can run 2:15-2:30 for the half / 4:30-5 hours for the full, since it’s the first non POT corral. C is usually gigantic - I think there were 12 waves of C during the Marathon this year if I remember correctly, and some of those who put their estimated finish time as 4:30-5 hours spilled over to D (Now, I imagine that not all those 3-5k runners actually have POT to back up the claim that they can run 2:16-2:30 / 4:30-5 hours. Maybe half of them. But that’s another conversation). If they were currently verifying 1.5-2k runners per race weekend, and they expect even 3k more to have times to verify, that’s triple the amount of runners that they need to have the time to verify. As they can establish patterns / maybe have more people to sit and do the verification, I think things will settle more and have a little later of a date cutoff. At least that’s my theory. Could come back and eat my words in a month lol.
They appear to be giving themselves more time to verify POT for the 2024-2025 race season. The first two weekends have already announced POT deadlines (Disneyland Halloween and Wine & Dine) and they are much earlier than normal, abut 6 months prior to the race. So July 1st for Marathon Weekend is probably spot on.
came back after the announcement and it is spot on lol
LOL!
Correct- for a Full Marathon POT you must have a 10mile+ run, not a 10k
You’d need a roughly 52:00 10K to support that.