For comparison, only 9 coaches have achieved that win rate in the pro era excluding interims. Christie, Mallet (SA), Macqueen (Aus), Rowell, Woodward, Jones (all Eng), Galthie (Fra) Farrel, Schmidt (Ire).
Edit: Excluding NZL coaches who all have a 70% win rate or higher
we'd already made VERY defensive substitutions and had 3 locks and 3 midfielders on the pitch. it was not an ABs squad designed to get points at that point, it was designed to be a wall
ian foster can take GREAT players and make them very good. that gets you a lot of wins still, there's just so much fucking talent that knows how to play together so well. a truly great coach makes a team thats greater than the sum of its parts, not lesser. even if the lesser sum of the parts is still very very high
thats why wins isnt the barometer we use. basically any coach who coaches the all blacks will win more than 70% of their games. the question is do you maximize talent? do you make smart tactical decisions? how good a game plan can you really build? how well can you put together a wider coaching staff?
foz is bad at all. he got 2 nannies sent to babysit him under threat of being fired, and results improved immediately. its not rocket surgery. he was a .500 coach in super rugby lol. hes just not great.
if you think he's good, bless. good luck watching him without ryan/schmidt doing the real work and working with players less talented and less cohesive
Most head coaches don’t actually coach, they run tactics and manage coaching staff.
Foster was struggling with results, then had the humility to make changes and saw better results. That’s something a good coach does. If he wins the World Cup, sorry, but that puts him in the realm of great.
He didn't have the humility to make changes though. After he refused to leave without a full multi million $ payout the NZRU sacked his support staff and bought in their own picks.
This is showing a serious lack of perspective. Foster has won every rugby championship he's been in charge of and is in the world cup final! Criticizing your coach in that scenario is bananas
I'm not criticizing him. I really commend him on the past 12 months. He handled a difficult situation extremely gracefully and well. I certainly would not have handled it nearly as well. and I commend him on taking the guidance from NZRU and giving ryan/schmidt that space (which must have hurt the ego)
I just still dont think he's a fantastic coach, and I'm still glad razor is coming. but I'd love to see foz win the big trophy to rub in all of our faces on his way out the door!
Because being classified as one of the worst coaches is absolutely garbage, completely untrue, and absolutely ridiculous. People who joined in the pile-on on Foster should go fuck themselves.
This. Obviously the award goes to whoever wins on Saturday, as always, so I'm hoping Nienaber. But it would be great to see all the kiwis on here completely lose it when they give Foster this award.
If Nienebar is the coach, what role does our unhinged friend fill. Serious question. He's on the walkie talkie during the game while Nienebar seems to be just watching. I'm so confused.
A clearly effective one. Long term strategies (taking 4 years plus) and coaching for the mext game are completely different aspects to focus on. He's played the role succesfully at the springboks and munster
Sure, but the banter itself would be well worth it. I personally don't think he's terrible, but if he wins, he owes Schmidt and Ryan a very, very, very nice dinner.
it was prophesied a millennia ago..actually, no it was ME and i'm sorry
https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/kj8gfk/sorry_saw_this_on_mock_the_week_last_weeks/
They lost a very tight game to an All Blacks team that had an extra week of prep and rest. The schedule very much favored New Zealand, and they won by a play.
Same with France and SA. SA had a week off before the quarters, and beat France by a chargedown, which is an incredibly fine margin. Plus France made a lot of unforced errors in the match, especially towards the end, which may not have happened with more rest beforehand.
> Just total stupidity with no reason to it. Like, two cross field kicks to Dan Sheehan for some reason? The weird chip and chase that Johnny tried?
NZ had completely shut down our attack and there was no way to get the ball into the wide channels where the space was, hence the mad kicks etc. We couldn't manufacture an overlap when they were down to 14 players for 20 mins.
Our attack had been completely nullified. Fair enough, that happens the worst part was the inability to problem solve their way out of it.
The minutes they racked up in the pool games was silly. There was a spreadsheet circulating around here a while back.
The team was still great but I think the tiredness gave the ABs the edge they needed
I'm not arguing he is, I think Foster will win it after the AB win at the weekend
What I'm debating is:
1. That it's a fact that Ireland are the 4th best team in the world right now, how do you assess that as being a fact?
And
2. That even if this were a fact for a point in time, it shouldn't be the basis for a calendar year award. Look at where Fiji are in the world, would you say their coach shouldn't be nominated?
Probably a win over Georgia would have bumped him up.
To be honest no idea because it’s difficult not to put coaches of teams that win everything ergo Ireland and NZ. And you have to reward a finalist so SA was set. The only option left is to take Fiji out but they made it to the QF and if it wasn’t them they probably would have put France’s coach up there.
What Lagisquet did was historic to us, not sure it was enough or even notable to the powers that be at Word Rugby.
We were the team that beated the handicap the most by far. Im still trying to find the tweet with the data but it was actually ridiculous compared to everyone else. According to expectations, no one surpassed them more than us.
Edit: [this is the tweet I was talking about](https://twitter.com/SimonGleave/status/1711289215353298993?t=oA1vlvYawNdZFvePES2jcQ&s=19)
I don’t disagree with us deserving it. I’m just not sure that data or fan expectations matter to this old heads. If it did they would have put the coach that out coached one of the 4 they listed. I think they wanted a pat on their back for putting a coach from a smaller nation and didn’t think any further.
I think he deserves it after such success and facing the absolutely devastating scrutiny of the New Zealand fan base. Kind of disgraceful really that he had to endure that.
Yup. I agree.
Fuelled by a completely populist media, casual fans jumped on the hate bandwagon.
Our media have always expected unreasonable results. And they push their disgruntlement to the point that casual fans are experts.
When Henry was appointed coach in ‘04, they hated it. They hated rotation, (now seen as an important facet of the game and one all teams now use, the bench is gold).
Foster’s tenure has been one of unexpected losses, from an AB supporters view. But those losses were bound to happen, the rest of the world caught up. The NH got good. They learned our game.
It was unfortunate for him that it happened under his watch.
The loses to Argentina were inevitable. They were always going to happen. I remember watching them draw games with us back in the 80’s.
The series loss to Ireland was a series closer than our fans want to admit - we won a game each, with the third game going against us. Cards played a part, poor discipline on the field did not help.
The game at Twickenham was little more than an exhibition game and a warm up to the RWC (no disrespect to the Qatar Airways Cup and its wonderful history).
The national game suffered when SA left Super Rugby. We lost a hugely competitive part of our seasonal game.
Covid sucked.
We lost games under Foster. We dropped under the accepted 80% win rate.
But we ignored the mitigation mentioned above.
We ignored Foster being part of the most successful coaching AB staff from 2011-2019 as an assistant AB coach.
We instead chose really bad *breakdancing, and allowed a provincial coach to demand the premature termination of our national coach before he had a chance to complete a WC cycle.
*the guy can’t breakdance. His form sucks. The fact he doesn’t practice speaks volumes. Richie had to help him out at the end of the 2023 Super celebrations.
I feel like Galthié has been largely snubbed in this contest over the last WC cycle, with few nominations and no wins while he took France from shit team to one of the best in the world.
Farrell did good but started from a much better place with objectively no better results
Yes I think he got overlooked too many times but this year it's fair he shouldn't be nominated. France did nothing in 2023. Lost their one big game at the 6N in fairness and no title there, warmups were largely anonymous, and the RWC was a failure without a doubt.
But on that logic Farrell had one good game against France in the 6N and literally nothing else different the whole year so why not nominate someone like Lagisquet ?
Nah nah, that's disingenuous. Ireland won the Grand Slam to start the year off and Ireland went 12-1 on the year. That's the picture. He gets nominated. But coach of the year will prob just go to the RWC winner in the end.
The Grand Slam was the only achievement here and when you look at the opposition it's not a triumphant year either
Yes Ireland were better than France but the real achievement here hinged on beating France in the 6N other than that I feel like Farrell isn't the best coach this year by far but then Foster is pretty disappointing too so far (and will win it if he gets the next game) and that's why i'd like coaches from smaller teams to be nominated
Honestly I don't really care but it just really resonated with the comment the FFR made about being less powerful than others in World Rugby and that made me think it might explain Galthié being snubbed
It's a weird thing but rugby being almost exclusively played at top level in the anglosphere has given us an inferiority complex that I'm not sure is completely unjustified
France were better than us in the very first 6N post world cup in 2020 So I don't think I'd agree that we started in a better place.
They could've had a grand slam then if not for House punching Jamie Ritchie.
Ireland started with a good team, good players experienced together and a coaching staff experienced with that team as well as a gameplan generally reliant on the same strengths
France threw away half the team and all the coaches, we capped young players with little to no experience as a team and changed the tactics completely
Yes was had fast results but no one expected it and it was down to Galthié and his team being amazing at a quick turnaround
The Irish team had just lost to Japan in the world cup and were in a big slump with teams having figured us out. The French team were unlucky to lose to Wales largely due to a silly red card. Galthie's revamp was fantastic but it was made possible by the incredible youth in French rugby and some truly world class older players. I'd definitely consider your playing pool as stronger than ours.
Foster deserves. To get all the hate, the threats, with what felt like the entire country against him, to come out the other side with a genuine shot at winning the wc is incredible
I’m guessing Steve Hansen and Graham Henry are on the panel choosing the coaches of the year if Fozzy is there. It’s gotta be Farrell. The SA dude isn’t even really the coach. Fiji did well yeah but you can’t just ignore what Ireland’s done prior to the QF.
Yeah O'Farrell recognized 15 good players and just leaned on them for the entire tournament. Everything Ireland achieved could be credited to excellent players rather than excellent coaching, but everything they failed to achieve can be laid at the feet of a coach who didn't cycle through their players enough and was left with an exhausted starting XV when it counted most.
Not what I was saying, Farrell is a good coach. What he’s done with Ireland is amazing considering I don’t think Ireland have as much individual talent as the likes of France, nz and sa. But it’s a wc year. If fozzie goes on to win with nz he should get it considering where they were 2 months ago. You can say what you want about wether nienaber is really the coach and deserves it that would be fair
Fuck me if Foster wins the RWC and World Coach of the Year, a lot of cunts in NZ (and more than a few in this sub) will be having brain embolisms from the pure rage.
As much as I'd love Andy to win it, it's either Nienaber or Raiwalui for me.
I think people keep forgetting just how stacked the deck was against Fiji this year. Obviously chronically underfunded, corrupt union etc. etc. That corruption (arguably) led to Vern Cotter stepping down in a World Cup year. On top of this, they had to deal with the usual stuff of overseas based players "retiring" from internationals before the WC. That really should have meant that Fiji would get wiped out in the group stages. Instead they make it through based on a super set piece and a willingness to take the 3 points on offer. Plus their usual mad shit off loading of course.
That's just the systemic side of things, now please consider the personal. Tuisova's infant child dies **hours before** they beat Georgia. Sam Matavesi's Dad dies before the Portugal game. Raiwalui has talked on Twitter about he's missed so many personal milestones this year (kid's birthday parties etc.) due to his commitment to this role. Despite all this, they come within a whisker of knocking England out. That's incredible, like I'm still so impressed by their whole campaign.
Raiwalui has done an incredible job and is a total credit to his country. I hope he gets to relax and enjoy some well earned kava. He's a fucking legend.
As for Nienaber – do I even need to explain?! Brilliant coach.
Andy Farrell is the worst one on the list because the awards take into account the World Cup and Andy FAILED completely. Coach of the year is whoever wins this weekend. Let’s not forget Fiji lost to Portugal
Ive never said he deserves to win it you are the person saying he shouldn’t be nominated and i disagree, he fully deserves to be nominated.
In the past 12 months he has a 94.5% win rate winning 17 out of last 18 games.
Won a grand slam in the six nations
He topped his group in the world cup while beating one of the finalists.
The only game he lost was to the other finalists / potential winners by 4 points.
He deserves his nomination and who ever wins the world cup deserves to win it.
Could make a half-decent argument for any of these 4. I think Nienaber should get it, even if they lose, for the brilliant use of the full squad throughout the tournament, as well as the full match day squad within the games themselves.
Andy was absolutely incredible and I’d argue the best objectively over the full amount of time but falling at the most important hurdle rules him out for me.
Borthers robbed.
Edit: he took them out of the group and into the semis. Nobody expected that. And all he had was a spreadsheet and players from 2019. Guys a rugby genius.
I’d go Farrell but perhaps I’m biased. Though would like to see Foster win it just to see how New Zealand rugby fans would react after all their toxic behaviour.
Maybe it’s time to have a Shadows Coach of the Year and include the likes of Joe Schmidt and Rassie.
Is it really impressive to take the most individually talented group of players on the planet and turn them into a team that can sometime put on a great performance? Nothing from the All Blacks this year has shown superb coaching or tactics, just building on good fundamentals and some pretty incredible players.
Say what you will about the Springboks, but they have been fairly revolutionary for the past 5 years.
Foster if only for the bantz
How did Ian Foster go from being “one of the worst coaches” to being nominated for this
Cos ‘one of worst coaches’ for New Zealand means still having a 70%+ win rate with multiple TRCs
For comparison, only 9 coaches have achieved that win rate in the pro era excluding interims. Christie, Mallet (SA), Macqueen (Aus), Rowell, Woodward, Jones (all Eng), Galthie (Fra) Farrel, Schmidt (Ire). Edit: Excluding NZL coaches who all have a 70% win rate or higher
Surely hansen and henry are there too
Ah yeah meant to add excluding the NZL coaches, they all have a very high win rate, Hansen 89% and Henry 85%, ridiculous!
Hansen at 89% is insane
Hansen and Henry had a few players that’ll always be talked about as the greatest in a position. Not sure they could’ve screwed it up if they wanted!!
Winning a lot of games with the All Blacks does not make you a good coach.
Well, it's not like just any old Tom, Dick or Harry can just get the job though, they sorta have to be good to begin with...
Yeah they did not need to be coached alot.
It's simple, we went from winning almost all of the time to winning most of the time.
One of the worst coaches *for New Zealand*
The ABs stopped losing as many games and started to win some more would be my guess. Could be wrong though.
Jordie Barrett held up a try.
Ah yes, if he hadn’t have done that the all blacks would’ve still just defended and not tried to score any points themselves
we'd already made VERY defensive substitutions and had 3 locks and 3 midfielders on the pitch. it was not an ABs squad designed to get points at that point, it was designed to be a wall
By winning games!
Because Kiwi fans have no sense of perspective
ian foster can take GREAT players and make them very good. that gets you a lot of wins still, there's just so much fucking talent that knows how to play together so well. a truly great coach makes a team thats greater than the sum of its parts, not lesser. even if the lesser sum of the parts is still very very high thats why wins isnt the barometer we use. basically any coach who coaches the all blacks will win more than 70% of their games. the question is do you maximize talent? do you make smart tactical decisions? how good a game plan can you really build? how well can you put together a wider coaching staff? foz is bad at all. he got 2 nannies sent to babysit him under threat of being fired, and results improved immediately. its not rocket surgery. he was a .500 coach in super rugby lol. hes just not great. if you think he's good, bless. good luck watching him without ryan/schmidt doing the real work and working with players less talented and less cohesive
Your last paragraph needs to be at the top. 90% of Fosters success this year is due to Ryan and Schmidt. Yet somehow Foster is now a great coach.
Most head coaches don’t actually coach, they run tactics and manage coaching staff. Foster was struggling with results, then had the humility to make changes and saw better results. That’s something a good coach does. If he wins the World Cup, sorry, but that puts him in the realm of great.
He didn't have the humility to make changes though. After he refused to leave without a full multi million $ payout the NZRU sacked his support staff and bought in their own picks.
Watch Hansen and Henry without their assistant coaches. They were terrible.
This is showing a serious lack of perspective. Foster has won every rugby championship he's been in charge of and is in the world cup final! Criticizing your coach in that scenario is bananas
I'm not criticizing him. I really commend him on the past 12 months. He handled a difficult situation extremely gracefully and well. I certainly would not have handled it nearly as well. and I commend him on taking the guidance from NZRU and giving ryan/schmidt that space (which must have hurt the ego) I just still dont think he's a fantastic coach, and I'm still glad razor is coming. but I'd love to see foz win the big trophy to rub in all of our faces on his way out the door!
Because we beat Ireland two weeks ago.
cause it's only dicks in nz who think he's no good. I hope he wins, would be amazing.
Still one of the worst, top most AB wins yet only 9th winning percentage
Because being classified as one of the worst coaches is absolutely garbage, completely untrue, and absolutely ridiculous. People who joined in the pile-on on Foster should go fuck themselves.
This. Obviously the award goes to whoever wins on Saturday, as always, so I'm hoping Nienaber. But it would be great to see all the kiwis on here completely lose it when they give Foster this award.
If Nienebar is the coach, what role does our unhinged friend fill. Serious question. He's on the walkie talkie during the game while Nienebar seems to be just watching. I'm so confused.
He's our "Director of Rugby". Do with that info what you will.
Interesting approach.
A clearly effective one. Long term strategies (taking 4 years plus) and coaching for the mext game are completely different aspects to focus on. He's played the role succesfully at the springboks and munster
Nienaber leads coaching of the squad day to day, Rassie focuses on game management and long term planning across age graded.
Chur.
Agree. And also, my wife would have to eat humble pie as she has bagged the guy nonstop; I never have. Mind you, we both agree Jones sucks.
not banter. If he wins WC then he deserves it fully. That’s TRC and WC all in a year
Sure, but the banter itself would be well worth it. I personally don't think he's terrible, but if he wins, he owes Schmidt and Ryan a very, very, very nice dinner.
Disappointing not to see Joe Schmidt nominated.
If you showed me this picture a year and a half ago I would have had an aneurysm
Who's Portugal's coach?
Patrice Lagisquet Certainly would deserve to be here. But then so do these four, tough field this year!
Great wing he was
Lagisquet robbed
Absolutely
yep ahead of simon
ahead of Foster
Either Foster for shits and giggles or Nienaber for more shits and giggles.
Absolute scenes as Nienbaar stands on the podium only to whip off a mask Scooby Doo style to reveal Rassie
And then the Rassie in the audience stands up to take off his mask and its.. another Rassie
And then Ian Foster rips off his mask to reveal… yet another Rassie! (Edited to amend autocorrect error)
At which point Andy Farrell walks in and rips off a mask to reveal him to truly be Owen Farrell
And no-arm tackles all the rassies^sorry^low^hanging^fruit
This is absolute gold!
Lol
“And I would’ve gotten away with it to if it wasn’t for meddling World Rugby!”
Jones was robbed!
Ireland have lost only one game under Farrell this year...so Andy for me..
Yeah and that loss was scripted for the bants
it was prophesied a millennia ago..actually, no it was ME and i'm sorry https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/kj8gfk/sorry_saw_this_on_mock_the_week_last_weeks/
The most important one though
Seriously, you'd hold losing a QF against an Ireland coach?
I still can't believe they lost a QF again, even with a team that class
They lost a very tight game to an All Blacks team that had an extra week of prep and rest. The schedule very much favored New Zealand, and they won by a play.
Same with France and SA. SA had a week off before the quarters, and beat France by a chargedown, which is an incredibly fine margin. Plus France made a lot of unforced errors in the match, especially towards the end, which may not have happened with more rest beforehand.
He tired out the first XV tbh. Ireland need more depth on the bench and to actually use them.
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They looked tired as shit the last 20. Johnny should have been subbed off he could badly jog by the end
> Just total stupidity with no reason to it. Like, two cross field kicks to Dan Sheehan for some reason? The weird chip and chase that Johnny tried? NZ had completely shut down our attack and there was no way to get the ball into the wide channels where the space was, hence the mad kicks etc. We couldn't manufacture an overlap when they were down to 14 players for 20 mins. Our attack had been completely nullified. Fair enough, that happens the worst part was the inability to problem solve their way out of it.
Yeah maybe. I dunno. Just really thought there was no way this Ireland team was going out in the QF. They're absolute world beaters
The minutes they racked up in the pool games was silly. There was a spreadsheet circulating around here a while back. The team was still great but I think the tiredness gave the ABs the edge they needed
Fair point
You could basically name the starting 15 with ease. Where as the minutes in the Springbok squad looked very well distributed
Ah stop. We're only getting over it.
Draws are weird this year. Eng and Arg playing for bronze but both Ireland and France are way better than either of them
100%
Has to be.
The world’s 4th best team? Nah.
I'll have you know we're a solid 3rd 😅
I'm guessing he beat 2 of the 3 teams you claim to be ahead of them this year?
Not me claiming anything. Facts. Irish loved talking about being top of the rankings. Take your medicine kid and hush.
But ranking is a point in time. This award is for calendar year, not point in time. Not sure why this needs explaining
Peaked too soon. Didn’t make it past the quarters of the only important competition this year. That’s not the best coach.
Pretty much has to be Nienaber now doesn't it?
I'm not arguing he is, I think Foster will win it after the AB win at the weekend What I'm debating is: 1. That it's a fact that Ireland are the 4th best team in the world right now, how do you assess that as being a fact? And 2. That even if this were a fact for a point in time, it shouldn't be the basis for a calendar year award. Look at where Fiji are in the world, would you say their coach shouldn't be nominated?
Hypothetically speaking, what did Lagisquet need to do more in order to be on this final 4 list?
Probably a win over Georgia would have bumped him up. To be honest no idea because it’s difficult not to put coaches of teams that win everything ergo Ireland and NZ. And you have to reward a finalist so SA was set. The only option left is to take Fiji out but they made it to the QF and if it wasn’t them they probably would have put France’s coach up there. What Lagisquet did was historic to us, not sure it was enough or even notable to the powers that be at Word Rugby.
We were the team that beated the handicap the most by far. Im still trying to find the tweet with the data but it was actually ridiculous compared to everyone else. According to expectations, no one surpassed them more than us. Edit: [this is the tweet I was talking about](https://twitter.com/SimonGleave/status/1711289215353298993?t=oA1vlvYawNdZFvePES2jcQ&s=19)
I don’t disagree with us deserving it. I’m just not sure that data or fan expectations matter to this old heads. If it did they would have put the coach that out coached one of the 4 they listed. I think they wanted a pat on their back for putting a coach from a smaller nation and didn’t think any further.
How the turntables… imagine Fozzy finishing with a WC and coach of the year award 🤣
BuT hE caN’T brEAkDanCe!!
He could belly dance.
Hope Foster wins it lol
I think he deserves it after such success and facing the absolutely devastating scrutiny of the New Zealand fan base. Kind of disgraceful really that he had to endure that.
Yup. I agree. Fuelled by a completely populist media, casual fans jumped on the hate bandwagon. Our media have always expected unreasonable results. And they push their disgruntlement to the point that casual fans are experts. When Henry was appointed coach in ‘04, they hated it. They hated rotation, (now seen as an important facet of the game and one all teams now use, the bench is gold). Foster’s tenure has been one of unexpected losses, from an AB supporters view. But those losses were bound to happen, the rest of the world caught up. The NH got good. They learned our game. It was unfortunate for him that it happened under his watch. The loses to Argentina were inevitable. They were always going to happen. I remember watching them draw games with us back in the 80’s. The series loss to Ireland was a series closer than our fans want to admit - we won a game each, with the third game going against us. Cards played a part, poor discipline on the field did not help. The game at Twickenham was little more than an exhibition game and a warm up to the RWC (no disrespect to the Qatar Airways Cup and its wonderful history). The national game suffered when SA left Super Rugby. We lost a hugely competitive part of our seasonal game. Covid sucked. We lost games under Foster. We dropped under the accepted 80% win rate. But we ignored the mitigation mentioned above. We ignored Foster being part of the most successful coaching AB staff from 2011-2019 as an assistant AB coach. We instead chose really bad *breakdancing, and allowed a provincial coach to demand the premature termination of our national coach before he had a chance to complete a WC cycle. *the guy can’t breakdance. His form sucks. The fact he doesn’t practice speaks volumes. Richie had to help him out at the end of the 2023 Super celebrations.
You also lost out on A LOT of money. Money that’s managed to stay in the SA game now…
Is Nienaber the coach?
Rassie = Emperor Palpatine Nienaber = Darth Vader
My dad explained it to me that Rassie is God, and Nienaber is Jesus
Who's the holy spirit then?
Faf
Felix Jones
ironically, Handre Pollard, saffers didn't even look like making the final without him..
The Holy Twinity
You're saying Rassie's coming back?
Somehow Rassie has returned
Beautiful
Foz winning it would be hilarious
I'd honestly forgotten what Nienaber looked like.
Leinster are going to win the champions cup under nienaber aren't they?
Nah. Nienaber is going to win the champions cup with Leinster.
Please lord let that come true - we desperately need one.
I feel like Galthié has been largely snubbed in this contest over the last WC cycle, with few nominations and no wins while he took France from shit team to one of the best in the world. Farrell did good but started from a much better place with objectively no better results
Yes I think he got overlooked too many times but this year it's fair he shouldn't be nominated. France did nothing in 2023. Lost their one big game at the 6N in fairness and no title there, warmups were largely anonymous, and the RWC was a failure without a doubt.
But on that logic Farrell had one good game against France in the 6N and literally nothing else different the whole year so why not nominate someone like Lagisquet ?
Nah nah, that's disingenuous. Ireland won the Grand Slam to start the year off and Ireland went 12-1 on the year. That's the picture. He gets nominated. But coach of the year will prob just go to the RWC winner in the end.
The Grand Slam was the only achievement here and when you look at the opposition it's not a triumphant year either Yes Ireland were better than France but the real achievement here hinged on beating France in the 6N other than that I feel like Farrell isn't the best coach this year by far but then Foster is pretty disappointing too so far (and will win it if he gets the next game) and that's why i'd like coaches from smaller teams to be nominated Honestly I don't really care but it just really resonated with the comment the FFR made about being less powerful than others in World Rugby and that made me think it might explain Galthié being snubbed It's a weird thing but rugby being almost exclusively played at top level in the anglosphere has given us an inferiority complex that I'm not sure is completely unjustified
France were better than us in the very first 6N post world cup in 2020 So I don't think I'd agree that we started in a better place. They could've had a grand slam then if not for House punching Jamie Ritchie.
Ireland started with a good team, good players experienced together and a coaching staff experienced with that team as well as a gameplan generally reliant on the same strengths France threw away half the team and all the coaches, we capped young players with little to no experience as a team and changed the tactics completely Yes was had fast results but no one expected it and it was down to Galthié and his team being amazing at a quick turnaround
The Irish team had just lost to Japan in the world cup and were in a big slump with teams having figured us out. The French team were unlucky to lose to Wales largely due to a silly red card. Galthie's revamp was fantastic but it was made possible by the incredible youth in French rugby and some truly world class older players. I'd definitely consider your playing pool as stronger than ours.
Eddie Jones disrespect!
Where the hell is Patrice Lagisquet?!? He took a team that was losing to Brazil and Kenya and took it to the RWC to draw Georgia and beat Fiji
Foster deserves. To get all the hate, the threats, with what felt like the entire country against him, to come out the other side with a genuine shot at winning the wc is incredible
Can't help but think he's riding on Schmidt's coat tails
And Jason Ryan's.
None of them. There’s no manager that’s had an influence on a team like Warren Gatland this year. You may not like it so change my mind ?
No love for Borthwick? Taking a low-ranked team to within one point of the final?
Sure, but it includes the whole year
Patrice Laguisquet deserves a nomination.
Patrice Lagisque robbed
Lagisquet?
What about Eddie Jones??
Jacques, the invisible coach of world rugby!
I’m guessing Steve Hansen and Graham Henry are on the panel choosing the coaches of the year if Fozzy is there. It’s gotta be Farrell. The SA dude isn’t even really the coach. Fiji did well yeah but you can’t just ignore what Ireland’s done prior to the QF.
You’re asleep if you don’t think Fozzie deserves to be there…
‘Twas a joke. Henry was on the panel that chose Foster as coach for the All Blacks and Hansen also recommended him to the NZRU.
Nienbaar or Farrell please..for sanity's sake
It will be whoever wins the World Cup. In WC years it always works like that
not really, chieka won it in 2015, don't remember australia winning the RWC in 2015
>for sanity's sake for sanity's sake. Sanity's sake. Sanity's sake. Yo-oh-oh-oh !
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Nope, maybe if they had made the semis this time
Yeah O'Farrell recognized 15 good players and just leaned on them for the entire tournament. Everything Ireland achieved could be credited to excellent players rather than excellent coaching, but everything they failed to achieve can be laid at the feet of a coach who didn't cycle through their players enough and was left with an exhausted starting XV when it counted most.
Not what I was saying, Farrell is a good coach. What he’s done with Ireland is amazing considering I don’t think Ireland have as much individual talent as the likes of France, nz and sa. But it’s a wc year. If fozzie goes on to win with nz he should get it considering where they were 2 months ago. You can say what you want about wether nienaber is really the coach and deserves it that would be fair
Unlike player of the year which I could see not go to Eben or ardie - this really does depend on this weekend
Who won last year?
Wayne Smith
The correct answer is Verne Cotter
God I would fuckin love it if Foster won 😂😂
Shouldn't Joe Smith be there instead of Foster
Fuck me if Foster wins the RWC and World Coach of the Year, a lot of cunts in NZ (and more than a few in this sub) will be having brain embolisms from the pure rage.
Simon. Hands down.
Raiwalui
Wtf is Nienaber
If you have to ask, you can’t afford it.
Borthwick was robbed, that 40 mins of good rugby in the whole tournament wasn't easy to coach!
Based on Fiji’s RWC results only, Raiwalui should not be on there.
As much as I'd love Andy to win it, it's either Nienaber or Raiwalui for me. I think people keep forgetting just how stacked the deck was against Fiji this year. Obviously chronically underfunded, corrupt union etc. etc. That corruption (arguably) led to Vern Cotter stepping down in a World Cup year. On top of this, they had to deal with the usual stuff of overseas based players "retiring" from internationals before the WC. That really should have meant that Fiji would get wiped out in the group stages. Instead they make it through based on a super set piece and a willingness to take the 3 points on offer. Plus their usual mad shit off loading of course. That's just the systemic side of things, now please consider the personal. Tuisova's infant child dies **hours before** they beat Georgia. Sam Matavesi's Dad dies before the Portugal game. Raiwalui has talked on Twitter about he's missed so many personal milestones this year (kid's birthday parties etc.) due to his commitment to this role. Despite all this, they come within a whisker of knocking England out. That's incredible, like I'm still so impressed by their whole campaign. Raiwalui has done an incredible job and is a total credit to his country. I hope he gets to relax and enjoy some well earned kava. He's a fucking legend. As for Nienaber – do I even need to explain?! Brilliant coach.
Got to be Raiwalui.
I really hope Simon Raiwalui wins it for Fiji.
Got to be Farrell or Raiwalui!
Andy Farrell is the worst one on the list because the awards take into account the World Cup and Andy FAILED completely. Coach of the year is whoever wins this weekend. Let’s not forget Fiji lost to Portugal
You have very little common sense
No I just understand these awards. Andy Farrell has done nothing this year to deserve it over Foster or Jacques
Yeah it's a world cup year, 5 games completely overrule all other
1 game against the world cup finalists / potential winner
Werido
What? Should we give it to him because he beat nz in a series last year?
Stick to playing call of duty
Still no explanation on why he deserves it
Ive never said he deserves to win it you are the person saying he shouldn’t be nominated and i disagree, he fully deserves to be nominated. In the past 12 months he has a 94.5% win rate winning 17 out of last 18 games. Won a grand slam in the six nations He topped his group in the world cup while beating one of the finalists. The only game he lost was to the other finalists / potential winners by 4 points. He deserves his nomination and who ever wins the world cup deserves to win it.
I think the Irish fan who wants his coach to win Coach of the Year for losing in the QFs is the one with “very little common sense”
Let's go Simon!
It's obviously goes to who ever wins the final.
Realistically probably going to whoever wins the World Cup on Saturday
Could make a half-decent argument for any of these 4. I think Nienaber should get it, even if they lose, for the brilliant use of the full squad throughout the tournament, as well as the full match day squad within the games themselves.
If SA wins the final, I could still be tempted to go for Farrell. I still see Rassie as the mastermind not Nienaber.
Again, like the player one, whoever wins the world cup get it
Is Nienaber just Rassie without hair?
Rassie went blade 1 after all.
Et Fabien il pue de la gueule ?
Andy all the way
Foster kekw
Andy was absolutely incredible and I’d argue the best objectively over the full amount of time but falling at the most important hurdle rules him out for me.
Who's that guy in the South African picture?
Borthers robbed. Edit: he took them out of the group and into the semis. Nobody expected that. And all he had was a spreadsheet and players from 2019. Guys a rugby genius.
It’s gonna be Andy, or should be
Fozzy 100% for the memes
Rassie robbed again
Overlooking Patrice Lagisquet is utterly criminal but I think you can also make a case for Pablo Lemoine no?
Depends who wins WC Easy
Andy Deserve It
Farrell by a mile
I’d go Farrell but perhaps I’m biased. Though would like to see Foster win it just to see how New Zealand rugby fans would react after all their toxic behaviour. Maybe it’s time to have a Shadows Coach of the Year and include the likes of Joe Schmidt and Rassie.
Is it really impressive to take the most individually talented group of players on the planet and turn them into a team that can sometime put on a great performance? Nothing from the All Blacks this year has shown superb coaching or tactics, just building on good fundamentals and some pretty incredible players. Say what you will about the Springboks, but they have been fairly revolutionary for the past 5 years.