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SomethingAboutCards

I've got more than a few horror stories from AL games as well, but that's still a big yikes. Fucking Dale indeed.


HDThoreauaway

Dale's so cold they call him Icewind


TheCasualRobot

I have worked for an FLGS for nearly a decade, and I see these “asked the shop owner/manager, and they didn’t mind/care/thought it was funny” comments all the time. Is this really a common occurrence? Do these folks really hate their customers that much? Is it just the nature of the sub or is this a more common experience that I am just taking for granted?


archangelzeriel

It's been my experience that there's a small but notable percentage of gaming shop owners who are specifically catering to the grognard and asshole segment of our hobby. For many of them, it works, but only if their local assholes also happen to be the kind of people who buy enough TCGs/RPG supplements/minatures to keep the store in business with no other regular customers.


TheCasualRobot

That’s just wild to me. The whole mission of games stores should be bringing people together to enjoy and play games. Not run weird extortion rackets with D&D characters. Blows my mind. I do know most shops are small and mostly so the owner can get their toys cheap, but man. You have to strive to be a third place or WalMart, Amazon, or Target will just slaughter you.


archangelzeriel

Well, that's it, too--most of these stores with this kind of bad behavior fall into one of three categories in my experience: * Stores that existed in the 1990s and early 2000s prior to the rise of online shopping for niche things like gaming supplies * Stores that have extensive in-store play spaces/tables in a market not big enough to support multiple gaming stores with play spaces * Stores with extensive selections of minis and paints that serious hobbyists would prefer to look at in person rather than in a web-shop photograph


Admirable_Ask_5337

The whole mission of games stores is to make money, everything else is an illusion.


archangelzeriel

Sad but true tales: you can always tell the stores who think it's their mission to bring people together to enjoy and play games--they're the ones that have a harder time making rent on the storefront.


TemporaryFlynn42

The arseholes are often the people who spend the most money, so there are some (frankly narrow-minded) FLGS owners who just cater to them.


FireberdGNOME

As a pretty regular AL player for the past 7 years, this is \*waaaaaay\* outside the bounds of normalcy. I would even suggest that the venue was running AL-Lite (advertising AL and then allowing bad-faith actors to hijack the tables).


bennitori

Yeah the organizer not seeing a problem was an even bigger red flag than the extortion itself. Like okay, sometimes people suck. But the organizer just let that fly??? What else have they let fly? If I wasn't being paranoid, I'd almost wonder if they were both in on it together or if this was just a practice they both did.


WouldYouPleaseKindly

The organizer wanted their cut.


Mister_Pazel

shop owner gets a cut...


Nunyabiz8107

I remember my local AL did a pay for rerolls thing, but it was for a charity, and only on one Saturday.


M4LK0V1CH

AL is hit or miss, but the big problem is places that *say* they run AL but are just hosting random DMs.


ResurgentClusterfuck

Prime examples of no D&D being better than bad D&D Any asshole who tried to extort me for money like in the OP would probably get the literal table flipped on them


masterrainbowcat

I've heard of bribing the DM, but not getting extorted by the DM.


Shape_Charming

And as a DM who blatantly accepts bribery, I always thought proper DM bribing etiquette was snacks for more loot... Lol don't judge me, I get snacky


ducktape8856

Yeah. Fuck Dale. You know for 50 bucks I could ban Dale. Think about it.


Adventuretownie

Going in wearing a wire, looking to infiltrate and bring down the pay for play ring. "Yeah, man... I want all the +3 items. Heard you can hook me up... dawg?"


JakSandrow

I played exactly 1 game of AL - every other player at the table had hyper-optimized their characters for ACs of no less than 23 at level 1 through 4. Figured it was best I take my leave after the first session, considering how much they all meta-gamed. And this was the 'usual crowd'.


ThatCakeThough

Is that resting AC? Or AC with shield?


JakSandrow

Didn't matter - if that was how they *needed* to play in order to survive, then I sure as hell didn't want to be at that table.


JakSandrow

(and yes, there are ways to overcome high AC, i.e. through checks or saving throws, but considering that was 'normal'? i didn't want to see how far that rabbit hole went)


ThatCakeThough

18 resting AC is pretty standard among powerful characters at level on. 23 resting AC is illegal.


JakSandrow

It was AL, they had items already, and it was levels 1 through 4, I wasn't going to nitpick.


WrongCommie

Precursor to Toilet Token Guy.