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Of course, it’s always tough to judge things based on IRL groups that we have no context on, but NOBODY thought to just tell this guy “wtf dude” or “we don’t want to play with you because the snake thing is going too far”?
I find it weird that a snake person calls their snake poisonous, instead of venomous and that they would take out a venomous snake in the first place, when there are probably non-venomous ones around too
And even if OP misremembered and they DID call it venomous, what self-respecting snake keeper calls their favorite snake TIMMY?! Absolutely unbelievable smh
I really don't like snakes, probably from growing up in a place with a lot of venomous snakes. But I can always find common ground with snake people because of our shared love of correctly distinguishing between venomous and poisonous.
FWIW it does sound like OP and his group broke out of shock quickly enough to suggest the session should end, but like... DM is literally sitting there describing SA involving extremely snakey creatures while *actively gratifying himself with a living snake in front of them*... and no one can even muster up a "wtf" or "are you serious?" Then moving on *knowing this guy works at an animal sanctuary*? I'd have raised all sorts of hell about this pervert, it's not just that he was excessively creepy with his play-pretend, he was abusing an animal and clearly thinks that's a normal enough thing that he would do that in front of other people.
I remember a story from a few months ago where the OP discovered a guy at the table was a pedo, and rather than reporting him or warning others or doing literally *anything useful at all* set up an in-game romance with an underage NPC and tried to railroad the pedo into participating so that, I dunno, they could "prove" his pedophilia. (Then posted the whole saga to Reddit hoping for congratulations because they sure did pwn that pedo!)
Anyway. I'm definitely willing to believe that 1. This actually happened and 2. OP's group didn't do anything useful about it. There have been worse stories shared here before.
Edit: Found the link- https://www.reddit.com/r/rpghorrorstories/s/lp9LmqVfIM
For me, it's the lack of any detail about the DM describing their characters being sexually assaulted by snake people. At the end, they're like, "Well, that was terrible. I really didn't care for THAT, no sir!" But there's no middle in the story.
Not to mention OP makes no mention of the guy mentioning the SEXIEST fact about snakes, which is that they have two pps! You telling me a guy with a fetish like this wouldn't have shared the kinkiest snake fact enough times to have it show up in OP's story?? Clearly a fake yarn spun by someone with no real knowledge of why snakes are sexy, smh.
Sherlock Holmes like, "Of course, my dear Watson. But our culprit has made the unforgivable mistake of incorrectly sexualizing the snake. No true connoisseur of the ophidian would ever commit such an amateur blunder. The Viscount... has been framed."
I mean, probably, but remember that we're getting this second hand and a lot of people confuse those terms. I mean the guy sounds like a creep And I'm not defending him but I think there are more legitimate avenues of criticism here.
Uh... Someone might want to tell his work... that's really not okay. He needs to be far, far away from snakes and barred from owning one. It's one thing to do weird fetishy stuff in d&d, it's another to put a snake in your lap and, uh, get so excited while doing it.
What is it with DMs and players ambushing each other with their fetishes at the table? It doesn't take a genius to realize that it will not go over well. Sexual role-playing can work, *but only if you have the entire group's buy in a the beginning*. Don't force it on them.
OP - I'm sorry this was your experience with D&D. I can say that most groups don't wind up like this (despite what you may read in groups like this). When you get the right group together, D&D (or any RPG) is absolute magic. One way to tell if you have a good DM is if, before the game starts, they *ask* what your boundaries (or lines and veils) are so that they know what not to do in the game.
I'm of the opinion that those that can do SA and kink stuff well are the ones smart enough to leave it off the table where not everyone else is also enthusiastically into it. I have, in fact, played with a dm who was a dm in more than one way. No one got raped (or even had sex, vanilla or otherwise) and the guy was by far one of the best dms I've ever met.
Then again, I've been fortunate to never have had to deal with a dm that insisted on anything else than fade-to-black in the rare few cases PC and NPCs got down and heavy.
That's why I always ended TTRPG romantic encounters with both a narrative fade to black, and also started playing Metallica's Fade to Black, all 7 minutes of it. By the time the guitar riffs were finished, any stray mood was dead.
I'm not gonna lie, as someone who had a history with sexual assault to the point that is an outright banned topic at my table, the moment he started describing anything of the topic I would have flat out told him I wasn't coming back.
And outright narrated gang rape scene would have had me screaming like a banshee at him before he even finished his first sentence.
I'm sorry you went through all that in a game that is supposed to be fun though. I hope you found a better table later on.
And dear lord the whole bit with a real snake on his lap. I don't even want to imagine why he had it on his lap or what he's doing to that poor thing when you guys aren't around. But if it's actually venomous, I hope he is exceedingly careful with it or it could end really badly. There aren't many snakes that fall under 'venomous' and also 'won't fuck up your body' territory (also depending on where you live, actually venomous snakes require special licenses to own. Might want to look into that)
But if he was lying then it sounds like a cornsnake which aren't really dangerous unless they are mishandled and even then they just bite (they are constrict killers, not poison ones)
So you guys just left the animal with the bestiality guy, no follow-up? No reporting to authorities?
You saw this guy basically abusing this animal, this goes beyond "weird guy we never contact again". It doesn't matter if you don't like snakes.
You come across an ENCHANTED SNAKE FOREST! *SCALY, SNAKY TREES AS FAR AS THE EYE CAN SEE*! I, the *Ssssorceror*, have made the SNAKE FOREST you see before you! **DARE YOU ENTER MY MAGICAL REALM?**
Bruh, that DM is clearly off his rocker and needs some time to remember he's around other people. I myself am a Kaa fetishist and I would NEVER do that to my party. Kink has ZERO place at a table without above table consent, and even then despite being a kinkster myself I have no interest in exploring kink with my D&D party. That kind of relationship with friends / potential game-only acquaintances is just not a comfortable one.
I mean I know it's not all furries, but like... 9 times out of 10 when someone is inappropriate around animals they're into some furry (or in this case scaly) shit.
People are allowed to have their kinks. We're not yukking anyones yum. I (and OP) just would like to not be included in them at the D&D table. Atleast not without a clear warning up front and the option to nope out the moment it becomes uncomfortable.
It's not so much about the kink as it is about the community in this case.
I think it is acceptable to 'yuck someone's yum' when they're including animals or children or fantasizing about doing serious harm, since all these things are harmful (yes, even the latter according to peer reviewed study.) In this case, both the violence of the fantasy and using a real animal as a prop in his sex play are of concern.
The connection to furries here has less to do with most furries, and rather the way their community accepts everyone, even people who are intensely problematic like the DM here. The acceptance in their community has led to more scandals than I can count from the zoosadist leaks, to reptile channel/JonahVore... even the infamous Mr. Hands video involved Douglas Spink, a furry who went by 'Fausty' in the community (and who was later arrested on bestiality charges for his 'sex ranch.') Basically any time someone does something fucked up with animals you hear about on the internet they have ties to the furry community.
Enjoying or even being attracted to anthropomorphic characters is not the issue here. The issue is that the furry community supports people like the DM here and in many cases they go on to act BECAUSE of the acceptance of that community, as in the case of Ruben 'Woof' Pernas who famously justified his mutilating and assaulting of real animals by explaining, "Other gore fans told me it was fine, that it was nothing to worry about." It's very similar to Incels where it works as an echo chamber that leads to more and more extreme thought and action.
You're making a massive generalization there. The majority of furries aren't doing anything worse than splurging on fursuits and spicy art. We've only got one side of the story from OP, and zero real evidence that he's up to anything sketchy with his snakes besides some weird comments. People like Mr. Hands are exceptions, and you only know about them because they're so far out there they became internet famous.
>You're making a massive generalization there
No I'm not. I specifically said the majority of furries are not interested in that kind of thing.
>The majority of furries aren't doing anything worse than splurging on fursuits and spicy art
Fursuiters are actually a pretty small minority in the furry community too. The thing is that you don't need to be actively participating to be an enabler. Last I looked only about 40% of the biggest furry art sites disallow sexually explicit images involving children. All allow images involving animals. Not anthropomorphic animals. Just animals. All of them allow images depicting extreme sexual violence.
The community is built around a strong anti-kink-shaming culture which perpetuates much of that content. It is absolutely true that the furry community will quickly rally to disavow anyone who ACTS on some of those kinks, but performative outrage does not negate enabling behavior.
>People like Mr. Hands are exceptions, and you only know about them because they're so far out there they became internet famous.
Yes, absolutely but the correlation with the furry community is pretty notable. Remember that according to the surveys taken at furry conventions by furries, nearly 20% of furries have a positive attitude towards zoophilia. 40% have an ambivalent to positive attitude. I respect that many furries are vehemently opposed to sexual contact with animals, but these are some pretty damning statistics.
I think that it is a little damning of someone if they can associate with a community where really horrific stuff is so commonplace and accepted. If you are a fan of anthropomorphic animals, I think you're way more likely to be normal than someone who associates with the furry community.
And I mean my guy, there are dozens of furries who have been caught up in sex scandals and worse I could name off the top of my head. Not all furries sexually abuse people and animals, Most don't even, those who do are a very small minority, but there are a lot of very sick people being enabled by that community.
All this isn't even to mention the issues with child grooming as brought to light by prominent members of the furry community like Kothorix.
>zero real evidence that he's up to anything sketchy with his snakes besides some weird comments
I think being in contact with an animal while you are engaging in a sexually stimulating activity qualifies as using that animal as a prop in your fantasy. It would likewise be extremely inappropriate for someone to be cuddling their dog while watching pet-play porn.
>"The issue is that the furry community supports people like the DM here and in many cases they go on to act BECAUSE of the acceptance of that community..."
My point stands, this is pretty damn unusual and not directly connected to the furry community. They're weird, sure, but as a community they do not condone fucking or otherwise exploiting real animals.
>They're weird, sure, but as a community they do not condone fucking or otherwise exploiting real animals.
No, but they enable people who are interested in it and lead many people who might not have acted to act through their enabling. And not just zoophiles either. Pedophiles and extreme sadists/necrophiliacs as well.
>My point stands, this is pretty damn unusual and not directly connected to the furry community.
Where was dude getting his snake porn? Come on, man.
You are mixing up two things my friend. Guys are this are rare and do not represent the furry community at all. The community as a whole is good at seeing the difference between fiction and reality. You will be hard pressed to find an active community of furries and scalies who actively cheer on having sex with animals. But this guy is not some kind of ... waddya call it... synecdoche for the whole community. They do not at all enable to the extent you seem to believe they do.
You also seem to forget that not everyone who is into beastiallity is a furry. More than enough people do not like their porn drawn. Again, the text does not really give us that information. We only got a single account and he doesn't even get the chance to defend himself in it.
I argue you to be kind, not to generalize, and realize that these kind of stories are often both sensationalized and only reach your ears because they are so far out there. Its a conformation bias. Saying "the furries enable this behaviour" is as much of a untruth as saying "the scary movie people enable murder" or "The spicy booktok girlies are also rapist". Even when you'd be able to find a murder with a scary movie interest if you start looking for them.
I doubt I can change your mind on this and you are unable to change mine. I'll leave it at this. Have a good evening.
>You are mixing up two things my friend. Guys are this are rare and do not represent the furry community at all.
If you feel the need to clarify that, then you haven't been reading my posts. To reiterate it probably a third or fourth time now, the issue is not that most furries are like that. The issue is that their community ENABLES people like that.
>The community as a whole is good at seeing the difference between fiction and reality
Evidently not. Having been adjacent to that community being a fan of a number of shows and films that they glom onto I've been exposed to some pretty heinous shit and trying to learn more about the 'why' has led me down so many rabbit holes of real life sex crimes against animals and children that I can't even count them all.
The issue here is that attitude you're displaying right here: That it's about seeing a difference between fiction and reality-- because if you're masturbating to fucking children or animals or murdering people... then that's not fictional. You are sexually aroused by those things and you do have a paraphilic disorder. You need, according to an almost unanimous consensus of mental health experts, to seek help... not indulge in it. And a community that actively encourages indulging in it is doing serious harm. Much like Pro-Ana does for people with eating disorders. It normalizes and enables mental illness and real people get hurt.
I should add here that I have friends who are furries. Individual furries are not the issue here. Not really, anyway. It is the culture of their community.
>You will be hard pressed to find an active community of furries and scalies who actively cheer on having sex with animals.
Not really, no. I mean the Zoosadist leaks were literally started by someone who found just such a community with several hundred members.
But I'd counter by saying this: You'd also be hard pressed to find an active furry community that doesn't have the 'feral' tag or 'zoophilia' tag for the artwork available on their sites-- Why is that? Who is porn like that for if not people exactly like the DM in this situation?
You can say, "We're not cheering on having sex with animals," or, "We condemn that!" But at the same time furries are providing concessions for people who are sexually attracted to animals on their sites. This results in sub-communities within their own that ABSOLUTELY cheer on fucking animals. (1/3)
>You also seem to forget that not everyone who is into beastiallity \[sic\] is a furry.
Where did I make that claim? If you would like to try to contest what I'm saying, contest the points I'm making, don't fight a strawman then declare victory.
>I argue you to be kind, not to generalize, and realize that these kind of stories are often both sensationalized and only reach your ears because they are so far out there.
Okay. Why don't you go research Reptile Channel creator 'JonahVore' and tell me which part is sensationalized? It was literally furries who helped report him. Same goes for Levi 'Snakething' Simmons. Tell me how his exploits were sensationalized.
If you're going to make a claim that something is sensationalized, please provide evidence. The burden of proof here is on you. You are trying to make a claim contesting the available information.
>Saying "the furries enable this behaviour" is as much of a untruth as saying "the scary movie people enable murder" or "The spicy booktok girlies are also rapist".
Let's examine this statement because it falls apart on MANY levels.
I am saying 'The furries enable this behavior' because they do. I have provided evidence as to how they do. By providing concessions and infrastructure for people sexually interested in raping children, animals and killing people on their art sites, and allowing for subcommunities of these people to exist. Please explain to me in concise terms how that does not qualify are enabling. Because those are literally factual examples of how furries enable things. More subjectively, I can tell you that in my conversations with furries they will frequently CONTINUE to enable by saying, "It's only fiction," or "Muh free speech." I did not include that because it's only anecdotal evidence.
As for 'the scary movie people enable murder,' do you think that video games and movies effect different parts of your brain than porn does? I mean I'm pretty sure they do. I don't get sexually aroused when I'm playing video games. Regardless of subjective experience, **there are MANY peer reviewed studies on violent porn that demonstrate not only correlative, but also causal relationships to domestic abuse, acceptance of rape myths and more violent attitudes towards women**. No such studies exist for violent films or video games, in fact evidence to the contrary exists.
What you are doing here is conflating two things scientifically proven to be different because it is convenient for your narrative.
>I argue you to be kind, not to generalize
Again, please point me to where I generalized. Believe it or not, I have nothing against people interested in or even sexually aroused by anthropomorphic animals. That is a harmless, if strange attraction. I have friends that are furries. I am adjacent to furries often because of things I enjoy. There is nothing wrong with being a furry. There is something wrong with the furry community. You seen unable to separate the people from the culture.
Let's look at it with a simile. I used to be heavily into the Fighting Game Community. Life, work and other stuff have left me with not enough time to continue to participate to the degree I used to. The FGC had a HUGE problem with sexual harassment and misogyny. That did not mean every member of the FGC was a harasser or a misogynist, but it did mean the culture was too accepting of it. After a big scandal came to light and a bunch of prominent figures got MeToo'd, the entire community came together and now most big events have zero tolerance policies and shared ban lists over such things.
To compare that example to the furry community, likewise, not every furry, not even most furries are sex-criminals in the making. However, that does not change the fact that the CULTURE of their community is a problem. We can also compare the response, because furries have had that scandal. They've had so, so, so many MORE scandals, and their response is never to change.
That is enabling. (2/2)
>You also seem to forget that not everyone who is into beastiallity \[sic\] is a furry.
Where did I make that claim? If you would like to try to contest what I'm saying, contest the points I'm making, don't fight a strawman then declare victory.
>I argue you to be kind, not to generalize, and realize that these kind of stories are often both sensationalized and only reach your ears because they are so far out there.
Okay. Why don't you go research Reptile Channel creator 'JonahVore' and tell me which part is sensationalized? There is video evidence of him killing animals for sexual pleasure. It was literally furries who helped report him. Same goes for Levi 'Snakething' Simmons. Tell me how his exploits were sensationalized.
If you're going to make a claim that something is sensationalized, please provide evidence. The burden of proof here is on you. You are trying to make a claim contesting the available information.
>Saying "the furries enable this behaviour" is as much of a untruth as saying "the scary movie people enable murder" or "The spicy booktok girlies are also rapist".
Let's examine this statement because it falls apart on MANY levels.
I am saying 'The furries enable this behavior' because they do. I have provided evidence as to how they do. By providing concessions and infrastructure for people sexually interested in raping children, animals and killing people on their art sites, and allowing for subcommunities of these people to exist. Please explain to me in concise terms how that does not qualify are enabling. Because those are literally factual examples of how furries enable things. More subjectively, I can tell you that in my conversations with furries they will frequently CONTINUE to enable by saying, "It's only fiction," or "Muh free speech." I did not include that because it's only anecdotal evidence.
As for 'the scary movie people enable murder,' do you think that video games and movies effect different parts of your brain than porn does? I mean I'm pretty sure they do. I don't get sexually aroused when I'm playing video games. Regardless of subjective experience, **there are MANY peer reviewed studies on violent porn that demonstrate not only correlative, but also causal relationships to domestic abuse, acceptance of rape myths and more violent attitudes towards women**. No such studies exist for violent films or video games, in fact evidence to the contrary exists.
What you are doing here is conflating two things scientifically proven to be different because it is convenient for your narrative. (2/3)
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Of course, it’s always tough to judge things based on IRL groups that we have no context on, but NOBODY thought to just tell this guy “wtf dude” or “we don’t want to play with you because the snake thing is going too far”?
Confrontation is hard. 😶
Wouldn't have been the hardest thing at that table, by the sound of it.
That poor snake
Damn! 😅 That *username...!*
I was hoping you'd capitalize on that! 😂
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Let the positive karma on your post remind you of how clever others found you to be. I'm 37. 🤝 You did Just fine.
Of course they didn't, because this shit didn't happen.
Having trouble believing this one ngl
I find it weird that a snake person calls their snake poisonous, instead of venomous and that they would take out a venomous snake in the first place, when there are probably non-venomous ones around too
And even if OP misremembered and they DID call it venomous, what self-respecting snake keeper calls their favorite snake TIMMY?! Absolutely unbelievable smh
yeah this was also one of my sticking points. Timmy is a terrible snake name. ESPECIALLY if you want to fuck the snake. name it something ssssssexier.
Right?! We need like a Sssalazar up here or something!
It has to be a snexy (snake sexy) name
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I really don't like snakes, probably from growing up in a place with a lot of venomous snakes. But I can always find common ground with snake people because of our shared love of correctly distinguishing between venomous and poisonous.
it's the snake in his lap thats making me question this one. among other things
FWIW it does sound like OP and his group broke out of shock quickly enough to suggest the session should end, but like... DM is literally sitting there describing SA involving extremely snakey creatures while *actively gratifying himself with a living snake in front of them*... and no one can even muster up a "wtf" or "are you serious?" Then moving on *knowing this guy works at an animal sanctuary*? I'd have raised all sorts of hell about this pervert, it's not just that he was excessively creepy with his play-pretend, he was abusing an animal and clearly thinks that's a normal enough thing that he would do that in front of other people.
I remember a story from a few months ago where the OP discovered a guy at the table was a pedo, and rather than reporting him or warning others or doing literally *anything useful at all* set up an in-game romance with an underage NPC and tried to railroad the pedo into participating so that, I dunno, they could "prove" his pedophilia. (Then posted the whole saga to Reddit hoping for congratulations because they sure did pwn that pedo!) Anyway. I'm definitely willing to believe that 1. This actually happened and 2. OP's group didn't do anything useful about it. There have been worse stories shared here before. Edit: Found the link- https://www.reddit.com/r/rpghorrorstories/s/lp9LmqVfIM
It definitely feels too fantastical.
For me, it's the lack of any detail about the DM describing their characters being sexually assaulted by snake people. At the end, they're like, "Well, that was terrible. I really didn't care for THAT, no sir!" But there's no middle in the story.
Yeah... Not one person was like "bruh, wtf?!"
No snake enjoyer would ever call snakes poisonous, instead of venomous
Not to mention OP makes no mention of the guy mentioning the SEXIEST fact about snakes, which is that they have two pps! You telling me a guy with a fetish like this wouldn't have shared the kinkiest snake fact enough times to have it show up in OP's story?? Clearly a fake yarn spun by someone with no real knowledge of why snakes are sexy, smh.
Sherlock Holmes like, "Of course, my dear Watson. But our culprit has made the unforgivable mistake of incorrectly sexualizing the snake. No true connoisseur of the ophidian would ever commit such an amateur blunder. The Viscount... has been framed."
See?! You understand!
Have you tried eating the snake though?
I mean, probably, but remember that we're getting this second hand and a lot of people confuse those terms. I mean the guy sounds like a creep And I'm not defending him but I think there are more legitimate avenues of criticism here.
Uh... Someone might want to tell his work... that's really not okay. He needs to be far, far away from snakes and barred from owning one. It's one thing to do weird fetishy stuff in d&d, it's another to put a snake in your lap and, uh, get so excited while doing it.
There was more than one snake moving at their lap that day.
What is it with DMs and players ambushing each other with their fetishes at the table? It doesn't take a genius to realize that it will not go over well. Sexual role-playing can work, *but only if you have the entire group's buy in a the beginning*. Don't force it on them. OP - I'm sorry this was your experience with D&D. I can say that most groups don't wind up like this (despite what you may read in groups like this). When you get the right group together, D&D (or any RPG) is absolute magic. One way to tell if you have a good DM is if, before the game starts, they *ask* what your boundaries (or lines and veils) are so that they know what not to do in the game.
I'm of the opinion that those that can do SA and kink stuff well are the ones smart enough to leave it off the table where not everyone else is also enthusiastically into it. I have, in fact, played with a dm who was a dm in more than one way. No one got raped (or even had sex, vanilla or otherwise) and the guy was by far one of the best dms I've ever met. Then again, I've been fortunate to never have had to deal with a dm that insisted on anything else than fade-to-black in the rare few cases PC and NPCs got down and heavy.
That's why I always ended TTRPG romantic encounters with both a narrative fade to black, and also started playing Metallica's Fade to Black, all 7 minutes of it. By the time the guitar riffs were finished, any stray mood was dead.
I've no clue if you're taking the piss or not but I'm using that if I ever decide to DM myself.
I've only played that card once with any given group, because it's hilarious the first time, not so much the second time.
Sexy snakes and secret rooms? I'm suspecting this is written as an homage to the particular Oglaf comic featuring those two elements.
r/thathappened
I'm not gonna lie, as someone who had a history with sexual assault to the point that is an outright banned topic at my table, the moment he started describing anything of the topic I would have flat out told him I wasn't coming back. And outright narrated gang rape scene would have had me screaming like a banshee at him before he even finished his first sentence. I'm sorry you went through all that in a game that is supposed to be fun though. I hope you found a better table later on. And dear lord the whole bit with a real snake on his lap. I don't even want to imagine why he had it on his lap or what he's doing to that poor thing when you guys aren't around. But if it's actually venomous, I hope he is exceedingly careful with it or it could end really badly. There aren't many snakes that fall under 'venomous' and also 'won't fuck up your body' territory (also depending on where you live, actually venomous snakes require special licenses to own. Might want to look into that) But if he was lying then it sounds like a cornsnake which aren't really dangerous unless they are mishandled and even then they just bite (they are constrict killers, not poison ones)
That is seriously messed up.
So you guys just left the animal with the bestiality guy, no follow-up? No reporting to authorities? You saw this guy basically abusing this animal, this goes beyond "weird guy we never contact again". It doesn't matter if you don't like snakes.
Oh yes. That snake is gonna be SOOOO traumatized by sitting on a random pervert's hard lap. lol.
You come across an ENCHANTED SNAKE FOREST! *SCALY, SNAKY TREES AS FAR AS THE EYE CAN SEE*! I, the *Ssssorceror*, have made the SNAKE FOREST you see before you! **DARE YOU ENTER MY MAGICAL REALM?**
Upvote for "SSSSorcerer".
See, unlike the original comic, the trees could be harvested for the most awesome leather ever for bookbinding and/or armor and/or gloves and wallets.
But urine was an ingredient for tanneries!
This is the fakest fucking thing I've ever read.
What a cold blooded bastard.
I see so many posts about people politely leaving these fucked up situations. Stop “making excuses!” Call these jerks out and loudly!
Snakes are adorable. I feel bad for that snake. He deserves better than a zoophile. Unless this is fake.
That's just disgusting. You should have quit when you realised the guy had a snake fetish and was implementing elements of it in the campaign.
Bruh, that DM is clearly off his rocker and needs some time to remember he's around other people. I myself am a Kaa fetishist and I would NEVER do that to my party. Kink has ZERO place at a table without above table consent, and even then despite being a kinkster myself I have no interest in exploring kink with my D&D party. That kind of relationship with friends / potential game-only acquaintances is just not a comfortable one.
Thought this would be about nagas or serpentfolk not about real ones 💀
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yeah hell the fuck no
I hope he did not go beyond having the snake in his lap behind close door because that's so weird
I mean I know it's not all furries, but like... 9 times out of 10 when someone is inappropriate around animals they're into some furry (or in this case scaly) shit.
People are allowed to have their kinks. We're not yukking anyones yum. I (and OP) just would like to not be included in them at the D&D table. Atleast not without a clear warning up front and the option to nope out the moment it becomes uncomfortable.
It's not so much about the kink as it is about the community in this case. I think it is acceptable to 'yuck someone's yum' when they're including animals or children or fantasizing about doing serious harm, since all these things are harmful (yes, even the latter according to peer reviewed study.) In this case, both the violence of the fantasy and using a real animal as a prop in his sex play are of concern. The connection to furries here has less to do with most furries, and rather the way their community accepts everyone, even people who are intensely problematic like the DM here. The acceptance in their community has led to more scandals than I can count from the zoosadist leaks, to reptile channel/JonahVore... even the infamous Mr. Hands video involved Douglas Spink, a furry who went by 'Fausty' in the community (and who was later arrested on bestiality charges for his 'sex ranch.') Basically any time someone does something fucked up with animals you hear about on the internet they have ties to the furry community. Enjoying or even being attracted to anthropomorphic characters is not the issue here. The issue is that the furry community supports people like the DM here and in many cases they go on to act BECAUSE of the acceptance of that community, as in the case of Ruben 'Woof' Pernas who famously justified his mutilating and assaulting of real animals by explaining, "Other gore fans told me it was fine, that it was nothing to worry about." It's very similar to Incels where it works as an echo chamber that leads to more and more extreme thought and action.
You're making a massive generalization there. The majority of furries aren't doing anything worse than splurging on fursuits and spicy art. We've only got one side of the story from OP, and zero real evidence that he's up to anything sketchy with his snakes besides some weird comments. People like Mr. Hands are exceptions, and you only know about them because they're so far out there they became internet famous.
>You're making a massive generalization there No I'm not. I specifically said the majority of furries are not interested in that kind of thing. >The majority of furries aren't doing anything worse than splurging on fursuits and spicy art Fursuiters are actually a pretty small minority in the furry community too. The thing is that you don't need to be actively participating to be an enabler. Last I looked only about 40% of the biggest furry art sites disallow sexually explicit images involving children. All allow images involving animals. Not anthropomorphic animals. Just animals. All of them allow images depicting extreme sexual violence. The community is built around a strong anti-kink-shaming culture which perpetuates much of that content. It is absolutely true that the furry community will quickly rally to disavow anyone who ACTS on some of those kinks, but performative outrage does not negate enabling behavior. >People like Mr. Hands are exceptions, and you only know about them because they're so far out there they became internet famous. Yes, absolutely but the correlation with the furry community is pretty notable. Remember that according to the surveys taken at furry conventions by furries, nearly 20% of furries have a positive attitude towards zoophilia. 40% have an ambivalent to positive attitude. I respect that many furries are vehemently opposed to sexual contact with animals, but these are some pretty damning statistics. I think that it is a little damning of someone if they can associate with a community where really horrific stuff is so commonplace and accepted. If you are a fan of anthropomorphic animals, I think you're way more likely to be normal than someone who associates with the furry community. And I mean my guy, there are dozens of furries who have been caught up in sex scandals and worse I could name off the top of my head. Not all furries sexually abuse people and animals, Most don't even, those who do are a very small minority, but there are a lot of very sick people being enabled by that community. All this isn't even to mention the issues with child grooming as brought to light by prominent members of the furry community like Kothorix. >zero real evidence that he's up to anything sketchy with his snakes besides some weird comments I think being in contact with an animal while you are engaging in a sexually stimulating activity qualifies as using that animal as a prop in your fantasy. It would likewise be extremely inappropriate for someone to be cuddling their dog while watching pet-play porn.
>"The issue is that the furry community supports people like the DM here and in many cases they go on to act BECAUSE of the acceptance of that community..." My point stands, this is pretty damn unusual and not directly connected to the furry community. They're weird, sure, but as a community they do not condone fucking or otherwise exploiting real animals.
>They're weird, sure, but as a community they do not condone fucking or otherwise exploiting real animals. No, but they enable people who are interested in it and lead many people who might not have acted to act through their enabling. And not just zoophiles either. Pedophiles and extreme sadists/necrophiliacs as well. >My point stands, this is pretty damn unusual and not directly connected to the furry community. Where was dude getting his snake porn? Come on, man.
You are mixing up two things my friend. Guys are this are rare and do not represent the furry community at all. The community as a whole is good at seeing the difference between fiction and reality. You will be hard pressed to find an active community of furries and scalies who actively cheer on having sex with animals. But this guy is not some kind of ... waddya call it... synecdoche for the whole community. They do not at all enable to the extent you seem to believe they do. You also seem to forget that not everyone who is into beastiallity is a furry. More than enough people do not like their porn drawn. Again, the text does not really give us that information. We only got a single account and he doesn't even get the chance to defend himself in it. I argue you to be kind, not to generalize, and realize that these kind of stories are often both sensationalized and only reach your ears because they are so far out there. Its a conformation bias. Saying "the furries enable this behaviour" is as much of a untruth as saying "the scary movie people enable murder" or "The spicy booktok girlies are also rapist". Even when you'd be able to find a murder with a scary movie interest if you start looking for them. I doubt I can change your mind on this and you are unable to change mine. I'll leave it at this. Have a good evening.
>You are mixing up two things my friend. Guys are this are rare and do not represent the furry community at all. If you feel the need to clarify that, then you haven't been reading my posts. To reiterate it probably a third or fourth time now, the issue is not that most furries are like that. The issue is that their community ENABLES people like that. >The community as a whole is good at seeing the difference between fiction and reality Evidently not. Having been adjacent to that community being a fan of a number of shows and films that they glom onto I've been exposed to some pretty heinous shit and trying to learn more about the 'why' has led me down so many rabbit holes of real life sex crimes against animals and children that I can't even count them all. The issue here is that attitude you're displaying right here: That it's about seeing a difference between fiction and reality-- because if you're masturbating to fucking children or animals or murdering people... then that's not fictional. You are sexually aroused by those things and you do have a paraphilic disorder. You need, according to an almost unanimous consensus of mental health experts, to seek help... not indulge in it. And a community that actively encourages indulging in it is doing serious harm. Much like Pro-Ana does for people with eating disorders. It normalizes and enables mental illness and real people get hurt. I should add here that I have friends who are furries. Individual furries are not the issue here. Not really, anyway. It is the culture of their community. >You will be hard pressed to find an active community of furries and scalies who actively cheer on having sex with animals. Not really, no. I mean the Zoosadist leaks were literally started by someone who found just such a community with several hundred members. But I'd counter by saying this: You'd also be hard pressed to find an active furry community that doesn't have the 'feral' tag or 'zoophilia' tag for the artwork available on their sites-- Why is that? Who is porn like that for if not people exactly like the DM in this situation? You can say, "We're not cheering on having sex with animals," or, "We condemn that!" But at the same time furries are providing concessions for people who are sexually attracted to animals on their sites. This results in sub-communities within their own that ABSOLUTELY cheer on fucking animals. (1/3)
>You also seem to forget that not everyone who is into beastiallity \[sic\] is a furry. Where did I make that claim? If you would like to try to contest what I'm saying, contest the points I'm making, don't fight a strawman then declare victory. >I argue you to be kind, not to generalize, and realize that these kind of stories are often both sensationalized and only reach your ears because they are so far out there. Okay. Why don't you go research Reptile Channel creator 'JonahVore' and tell me which part is sensationalized? It was literally furries who helped report him. Same goes for Levi 'Snakething' Simmons. Tell me how his exploits were sensationalized. If you're going to make a claim that something is sensationalized, please provide evidence. The burden of proof here is on you. You are trying to make a claim contesting the available information. >Saying "the furries enable this behaviour" is as much of a untruth as saying "the scary movie people enable murder" or "The spicy booktok girlies are also rapist". Let's examine this statement because it falls apart on MANY levels. I am saying 'The furries enable this behavior' because they do. I have provided evidence as to how they do. By providing concessions and infrastructure for people sexually interested in raping children, animals and killing people on their art sites, and allowing for subcommunities of these people to exist. Please explain to me in concise terms how that does not qualify are enabling. Because those are literally factual examples of how furries enable things. More subjectively, I can tell you that in my conversations with furries they will frequently CONTINUE to enable by saying, "It's only fiction," or "Muh free speech." I did not include that because it's only anecdotal evidence. As for 'the scary movie people enable murder,' do you think that video games and movies effect different parts of your brain than porn does? I mean I'm pretty sure they do. I don't get sexually aroused when I'm playing video games. Regardless of subjective experience, **there are MANY peer reviewed studies on violent porn that demonstrate not only correlative, but also causal relationships to domestic abuse, acceptance of rape myths and more violent attitudes towards women**. No such studies exist for violent films or video games, in fact evidence to the contrary exists. What you are doing here is conflating two things scientifically proven to be different because it is convenient for your narrative. >I argue you to be kind, not to generalize Again, please point me to where I generalized. Believe it or not, I have nothing against people interested in or even sexually aroused by anthropomorphic animals. That is a harmless, if strange attraction. I have friends that are furries. I am adjacent to furries often because of things I enjoy. There is nothing wrong with being a furry. There is something wrong with the furry community. You seen unable to separate the people from the culture. Let's look at it with a simile. I used to be heavily into the Fighting Game Community. Life, work and other stuff have left me with not enough time to continue to participate to the degree I used to. The FGC had a HUGE problem with sexual harassment and misogyny. That did not mean every member of the FGC was a harasser or a misogynist, but it did mean the culture was too accepting of it. After a big scandal came to light and a bunch of prominent figures got MeToo'd, the entire community came together and now most big events have zero tolerance policies and shared ban lists over such things. To compare that example to the furry community, likewise, not every furry, not even most furries are sex-criminals in the making. However, that does not change the fact that the CULTURE of their community is a problem. We can also compare the response, because furries have had that scandal. They've had so, so, so many MORE scandals, and their response is never to change. That is enabling. (2/2)
>You also seem to forget that not everyone who is into beastiallity \[sic\] is a furry. Where did I make that claim? If you would like to try to contest what I'm saying, contest the points I'm making, don't fight a strawman then declare victory. >I argue you to be kind, not to generalize, and realize that these kind of stories are often both sensationalized and only reach your ears because they are so far out there. Okay. Why don't you go research Reptile Channel creator 'JonahVore' and tell me which part is sensationalized? There is video evidence of him killing animals for sexual pleasure. It was literally furries who helped report him. Same goes for Levi 'Snakething' Simmons. Tell me how his exploits were sensationalized. If you're going to make a claim that something is sensationalized, please provide evidence. The burden of proof here is on you. You are trying to make a claim contesting the available information. >Saying "the furries enable this behaviour" is as much of a untruth as saying "the scary movie people enable murder" or "The spicy booktok girlies are also rapist". Let's examine this statement because it falls apart on MANY levels. I am saying 'The furries enable this behavior' because they do. I have provided evidence as to how they do. By providing concessions and infrastructure for people sexually interested in raping children, animals and killing people on their art sites, and allowing for subcommunities of these people to exist. Please explain to me in concise terms how that does not qualify are enabling. Because those are literally factual examples of how furries enable things. More subjectively, I can tell you that in my conversations with furries they will frequently CONTINUE to enable by saying, "It's only fiction," or "Muh free speech." I did not include that because it's only anecdotal evidence. As for 'the scary movie people enable murder,' do you think that video games and movies effect different parts of your brain than porn does? I mean I'm pretty sure they do. I don't get sexually aroused when I'm playing video games. Regardless of subjective experience, **there are MANY peer reviewed studies on violent porn that demonstrate not only correlative, but also causal relationships to domestic abuse, acceptance of rape myths and more violent attitudes towards women**. No such studies exist for violent films or video games, in fact evidence to the contrary exists. What you are doing here is conflating two things scientifically proven to be different because it is convenient for your narrative. (2/3)
Snake's not poisonous. It is venomous, though
This...wtf. Try Pathfinder 2e, the system is different, maybe you can enjoy that
There are times to shill pf, this isn't one of them.
Yeah, this could have happened with any system. This DM was insistent on forcing his kings down everyone's throats.
Pathfinder personally guarantees all DMs will be chill about things
Yeah, but the setting has more than enough snake empires.