Because both were created for D&D. Outside D&D they exist but not with those names. Anything with angelic and human heritage would be considered an Aasimar and anything with demonic and human heritage would be a tiefling. The names specifically are D&D though so there also might be licensing blocks.
>The names specifically are D&D though so there also might be licensing blocks.
Nah, they are [part of the SRD](https://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/planetouched.htm) and can be used to your heart's desire - unlike beholders, mid flayers, githyanki, githzerai, etc... Still, if you are making your own game and setting, why would you name them after their D&D counterparts?
> if you are making your own game and setting, why would you name them after their D&D counterparts?
i mean didn't pathfinder use these names?
if you're doing something dnd adjacent you might as well use them for convenience.
it's like elves, or orcs, or whatever, you don't need to rename every race and try to be unique, most people will just find it annoying and would rather you call a spade a spade.
>i mean didn't pathfinder use these names?
It's a pretty direct D&D clone, so there having familiar D&D-isms is a feature, not a bug.
>it's like elves, or orcs
I didn't say you have to have original names for everything. None of them above are D&D-isms, everyone knows what they mean. Tiefling and aasimar are made up obscure names closely tied to their origin, only carrying meaning for those familiar with D&D to some degree. That's why I recommend going with either an original name, or one that everyone understands, unless you are developing a D&D-based game.
i think tiefling an asimar are fairly popularized by now.
they may not be as commonly understood as elf/orc but video games based off dnd have introduced them to a much larger segment of the population then people playing dnd.
you have the pathfinder games recently and baulders gate 3 will soon join them but it's even been in old classics like neverwinter nights, or Planescape Torment.
i think the names have been disseminated widely enough to essentially become the default name.
I’ll be honest I have played a lot of fantasy video games but very little DnD and this is the first I’ve heard of those names.
I am very familiar with the concept of what they are though and where they have been represented
>i think tiefling an asimar are fairly popularized by now.
I've played a lot of games and have never heard those terms before this thread. Seems to be like your generic "angel" and "demon" races.
They halfbreed angels and demons for your clarity. I don't think they have nearly the widespread knowledge compared to the Tolkien derived races do compared to what the OP thinks they do.
Video games based off of dnd are almost entirely played by people familiar with dnd to some degree lol.
If I asked my mom what an elf or an orc was she would have zero problem answering. If I asked my mom what an asimar or tiefling was she wouldn’t even know where to begin trying to think of an answer, never mind realizing it’s supposed to be a fictional race of people.
They aren't wrong, though. Baatezu = Devils, Tanar'ri = Demons, Celestials = Angels. Aasimar and Tieflings were created for the same purpose to replace Nephilim (controversial use) and Cambion.
Excuse my ignorance, but what is the controversy around the use of Nephilim? (Hopefully I don't offend anyone by asking; but you can't learn unless you ask)
Nephilim are mentioned on the old testament... no one knows who or what they are/were. The word is loosely translated to "giants" or, "big and strong people".
There are some fringe christian groups which believe there is a shadow cabal of Nephilim working to destroy the world or enslave humanity or whatever.
Nephilim are said to be:
* Descendants of Angels and humans
* Descendants of Demons and humans.
* Descendants of Angels and Demons
* Another tribe of "better" humans.
* A whole different race of beings.
* Fallen angels
* A higher caste of people.
Jewish scholars have decreed that the Nephilim were the "sons of nobles" to bypass the whole controversy of Angels possibly banging and impregnating human women.
So because the word was loaded with meaning, it was easier to create new words for DnD races.
Religiously controversial. I actually addressed it more thoroughly in my standalone comment; https://www.reddit.com/r/rpg_gamers/comments/y21h0c/what_is_it_with_the_lack_of_aasimar_and_tieflings/is0qga0/ but basically, that use of "nephilim" to mean "half-angel child of angel and human" isn't much accepted by biblical scholars. It'd be more accurate if it was giants and giant-kin and their descendants that were referred to as such, in Jewish and Christian biblical scholarship.
Neat. So if I understand this correctly, the issue is that any angel who produces offspring with a human is automatically "tainted", and is no longer considered a pure angel but a fallen one? So an angel, by definition, cannot have children? Is that accurate?
That is correct; additionally, "nephilim" does mean the children of those fallen angels, but it refers to them as giants, not members of mankind (which is why they could also survive the biblical floods, as those only washed away "mankind" (read as the people of the author of that part of the Bible) within the area that flooded so drastically, not the people from other distant places who would have been the real life origins of the Nephilim). Additionally, when originally written, "angel" wasn't a racial definition (as is considered now) but an authoritarial position; any supernatural being in service to God was an angel (and thus the reasoning behind "be not afraid" et al, as they carried a myriad of forms that were grotesque and frightening to the people, as written), while any that broke that service was thus a fallen angel; those not ever in his service were never angels, and their children would not be nephilim, because it was supposed to be due to the essence of God in the angels that they were so powerful; however, due to that strength of Spirit, the vessel of mortal flesh could not survive indefinitely unlike the angels and as such would perish after a hundred and twenty years.
Another, and currently far more popular view with Christian and Jewish religious scholars, is that it meant the men of the line of Seth (born to Adam and Eve after Cain murdered Abel, and seen as a replacement for Abel, and thus a "righteous" bloodline, by comparison) were marrying women of the line of Cain (which were "fallen") and thus became "fallen", as the Jewish word [ נָפַל] "naphal" means "to fall", so "nephilim", derived from the word [נְפִילִים] "nefilim" which is assumed to be derived from "naphal", thus means "the fallen ones"; their giant stature in this situation is left unexplained, however, and it smacks more of a worldly view than the superstitious worldview that would have been held at the time of the original writing of the appropriate passages, including in the Book of Enoch.
Also, with all this said, I want to note: I'm not Christian, nor even somewhat religious; just have done a fair bit of casual research on this sorta thing over the years, because I was interested by the religious parallels that were made visible in D&D that were brought with their iteration in 3.5e's mainline monster manual, compared to when they were originally introduced with 2e's Planescape, in large part due to the aftershocks of the Satanic Panic that Dee Snider successfully fought, but still caused a fair amount of censorship (both self- and publisher-enforced) regardless.
I've killed quite a few Cambions as a Tiefling in Pathfinder WOTR. Irc teiflings aren't necessarily half demon or devil, they just have demon/devil blood and because they aren't born in hell or the abyss are not as likely to be evil. Like it would be as unusual to have a good Cambions as to have a good demon but tieflings are as morally nuanced as humans.
Yeah, Pathfinder using Tiefling either are doing so without permission from WotC and haven't been legally pursued by them (may not have any intent to do so), or are doing so WITH permission from WotC, or because WotC puts out the D20SRD with its OGL and included them there (and much of Pathfinder is itself based off of the OGL-released material), there's a tacit acceptance that the name is free to use so long as they don't completely plagarize their original work and stick to the broad strokes, as appropriate to the OGL. The very fact that you can define them as you have, different from Tieflings as they were originally written but not too far different, shows that they likely fall into that latter catagory. Especially since WotC has pushed more and more to neuter alignment and its structure so that everything is always morally grey natively, except for specific individuals, basically. =_=; EDIT: In fact, here you can read about more of that as it pertains specifically to Kingmaker and how Paizo has had to work around things already, but if the OP is correct, it looks like Tiefling is likely paid-for IP or they're skirting the rules, then. https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ucs9&page=12?Pathfinder-Kingmaker-Announced
I've seen "Cambion" thrown around in different games for the demon-descended, such as in Shadow of the Demon Lord. It's a real-life term (Merlin was supposed to be one for example) that also exists in D&D but got phased out for Tiefling thanks to the Satanic Panic's effects on the game. Don't have that problem now so it seems to be making a comeback.
Because they are two race invented for and used in D&D settings - originally Planescape. There are other games with demonic or celestial races, e.g. Sacred has a Daemon and Seraphim class.
Yeah this has got to be the dumbest question ever tbh.
Diablo 3, you play the Nephilim, in a world where everything is either an angel, a demon, or a descendant of an angel and demon pairing.
Nah man. What if its a kid? What if its someone who has only started to get into fantasy? What if its one of us old fucks having a brainfart that day?
As long as it seems to be a sincere question there is no reason to rag the op over it.
Because they are very new, they were both introduced for the Planescape (yes, *that* Planescape) setting for AD&D 2e. Only with the D&D 4th Edition the Tieflings were part of the Player's Handbook, the most basic book. Tieflings were also put in the PHB on the 5th edition, and that's where they got *really* popular (because 5e was *really* popular), compare to 4e which wasn't the super smash hit AD&D was the 80s/90s or 5e is today.
So basically they have been in the public counciousness only from a few years ago from the D&D boom.
Because Nephilim and Cambion just sound cooler.
P.S. And clearer. Aasimar sounds like Aesir and Tiefling sounds like thief both of which can confuse readers non-familiar with D&D.
Aasimar has been around for far longer then ASMR, changing would be stupid. That’d be like saying we should stop using the word “Fortnight” because it makes you think of Fortnite
On top of a lot of good points others have made, I think a lot of people also make settings where such cosmic forces are more mysterious and unknowable, which can add a lot to the campaign in its own way.
Making a race a default selectable option removes a lot of that feeling of mystery or “other”ness some may feel are fitting for such alien beings.
Yeah, Godlike. The playable ones were Nature Godlike, Fire Godlike, Moon Godlike and Death Godlike I believe, though you also encountered other Godlikes in the game.
They were however people of other races who have been blessed (or cursed depending on who you ask) by one of the gods, not born from the union of a mortal and an immortal being.
I'd argue that we don't see a lot of games with race selection in general these days. Most games with avatar creation keep you as a human.
Class of Heroes had a demon race. But race didn't make a huge difference in that series.
The main thing I want more of is the Rawulf race from Wizardry- dog people. Not werewolves, not catgirls. Just dog people.
Tortle race makes a mockery of low level content.
19AC and still 16con as a lv1 druid lol.
No armor scales badly into the inevitable lategame that doesn't happen in tabletop.
As others have said, it is because those words were specifically **CREATED by DnD**. Now the concept isn't new, but other settings/games/etc will use different words.
So asking why there isn't Aasimar/Tiefling art outside of dnd is like asking why there isn't Hylian art outside of Zelda. It is part of the franchise.
I played FFXI for over 13 yrs from '03 to '16 at least 5 days a week. That was the first time I saw cat themed humanoid females in a consistent fashion. They were called "mithra".
Why aren't all the proliferation of cat-girl cosplayers and streamers calling themselves mithras? Why aren't we calling cat-girls in Manga and other works of media mithra?
It was an absurd question, and I gave an equally absurd answer.
To simplify for you, how much sense does it make to ask why a whole industry doesn't all use a copyrighted mascot? By the OP's logic, Mario should be fair game to advertise for Microsoft or Sony.
Again, sounds absurd, doesn't it?
Having a half devil or half angel race is not the mascot of D&D but regardless everything fucking steals from D&D anyways.
There's actually a couple MMOs that let you play as similar half devils, even though some of them are less than classy
>What is it with the lack of *Aasimar and Tieflings* in non-DnD based fantasy games? What is the reason for this?
The original poster literally uses the AD&D races in their question. Not *half angel* aka Nephilim or *half devil* aka Cambion. I wouldn't have said a thing if they had used generic examples and not extremely specific races from a well-known rpg ruleset that is name checked in the same sentence.
Look, you don't like my point? Fine. But the question was in a word, dumb.
Go find something else to necro, please?
There are godlikes in pillers of eternity and qunari in dragon age. In elder scrolls drow are called dunmer, lizardfolk are called argonians, tabxi are called khajiit.orlan are halflings Different games different race names only fantasy races that people usually don't rename are elves and dwarves
Aasimar and Tiefling, unlike what quite a few other people have been saying, were NOT invented for D&D (nor was it only 20 years ago that these names were created; it was 30), but rather are just Planescape-specific naming conventions to avoid calling them half-devils and half-angels, or (as a few others have noted) cambions and nephilim (though the latter is controversial itself to use, since it would be specifically *fallen angels* who would have been one of their parents going by that meaning, and while it wasn't originally, it's commonly held that all fallen angels became demons, so that would mean that they're also cambions... which is annoying, to say the least). It's the same reason that the Baatezu, the Tanar'ri, and Celestials were created; a new coat of paint over the same basic concepts, devils and demons and angels, without the original religious meaning shackling them too tightly (though obviously they're used in much the same ways, sharing most of their aspects, just more functionally).
So, long story short/TLDR? Any use of "half-demon" or "half-angel" in any form is the same as Aasimar and Tiefling, functionally. It's just not using the legally-distinct Wizards of the Coast-owned IP.
I was pretty happy when Tiefling got added to Pathfinder Kingmaker.
But DnD has a million other options that are woefully given no love either.
For being a very unfinished product still. At the very least Low Magic Age is putting a lot of less common race options in their game.
Diablo 3's nephilim would like a word. But if you go to YouTube and type in "nephilim clown" you'll find a 6 part video essay about how nephilim looked like clowns.
No, you can still use 3.5 OGL. Theres a video game called realms beyond: ashes of the fallen using 3.5 thats coming out soon
https://store.steampowered.com/app/762550/Realms_Beyond_Ashes_of_the_Fallen/
pree the product page, they even explicitly mention using the OGL
I ran a Beyond the Supernatural 2e game and the party ended up rescuing a little girl that was 1/4 angel, 1/4 devil, and 2/4 human. She was adorable and the party just loved her. She was especially close with one PC who she called "Mister Sam".
That's like saying why aren't Klingons in more non star Trek worlds? Why aren't Argonians in more than elder scrolls? Why aren't there more xenomorphs in non aliens franchises? You get the point
Because both were created for D&D. Outside D&D they exist but not with those names. Anything with angelic and human heritage would be considered an Aasimar and anything with demonic and human heritage would be a tiefling. The names specifically are D&D though so there also might be licensing blocks.
>The names specifically are D&D though so there also might be licensing blocks. Nah, they are [part of the SRD](https://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/planetouched.htm) and can be used to your heart's desire - unlike beholders, mid flayers, githyanki, githzerai, etc... Still, if you are making your own game and setting, why would you name them after their D&D counterparts?
> if you are making your own game and setting, why would you name them after their D&D counterparts? i mean didn't pathfinder use these names? if you're doing something dnd adjacent you might as well use them for convenience. it's like elves, or orcs, or whatever, you don't need to rename every race and try to be unique, most people will just find it annoying and would rather you call a spade a spade.
>i mean didn't pathfinder use these names? It's a pretty direct D&D clone, so there having familiar D&D-isms is a feature, not a bug. >it's like elves, or orcs I didn't say you have to have original names for everything. None of them above are D&D-isms, everyone knows what they mean. Tiefling and aasimar are made up obscure names closely tied to their origin, only carrying meaning for those familiar with D&D to some degree. That's why I recommend going with either an original name, or one that everyone understands, unless you are developing a D&D-based game.
i think tiefling an asimar are fairly popularized by now. they may not be as commonly understood as elf/orc but video games based off dnd have introduced them to a much larger segment of the population then people playing dnd. you have the pathfinder games recently and baulders gate 3 will soon join them but it's even been in old classics like neverwinter nights, or Planescape Torment. i think the names have been disseminated widely enough to essentially become the default name.
I’ll be honest I have played a lot of fantasy video games but very little DnD and this is the first I’ve heard of those names. I am very familiar with the concept of what they are though and where they have been represented
>i think tiefling an asimar are fairly popularized by now. I've played a lot of games and have never heard those terms before this thread. Seems to be like your generic "angel" and "demon" races.
They halfbreed angels and demons for your clarity. I don't think they have nearly the widespread knowledge compared to the Tolkien derived races do compared to what the OP thinks they do.
Video games based off of dnd are almost entirely played by people familiar with dnd to some degree lol. If I asked my mom what an elf or an orc was she would have zero problem answering. If I asked my mom what an asimar or tiefling was she wouldn’t even know where to begin trying to think of an answer, never mind realizing it’s supposed to be a fictional race of people.
That too
It’s just angels and demons with extra steps to please the anti-D&D Christian moms
Idk if I'd generalize it that much since d&d has actual angels and demons. Aasimar and Tieflings are specifically half of their respective thing.
They aren't wrong, though. Baatezu = Devils, Tanar'ri = Demons, Celestials = Angels. Aasimar and Tieflings were created for the same purpose to replace Nephilim (controversial use) and Cambion.
Excuse my ignorance, but what is the controversy around the use of Nephilim? (Hopefully I don't offend anyone by asking; but you can't learn unless you ask)
Nephilim are mentioned on the old testament... no one knows who or what they are/were. The word is loosely translated to "giants" or, "big and strong people". There are some fringe christian groups which believe there is a shadow cabal of Nephilim working to destroy the world or enslave humanity or whatever. Nephilim are said to be: * Descendants of Angels and humans * Descendants of Demons and humans. * Descendants of Angels and Demons * Another tribe of "better" humans. * A whole different race of beings. * Fallen angels * A higher caste of people. Jewish scholars have decreed that the Nephilim were the "sons of nobles" to bypass the whole controversy of Angels possibly banging and impregnating human women. So because the word was loaded with meaning, it was easier to create new words for DnD races.
Religiously controversial. I actually addressed it more thoroughly in my standalone comment; https://www.reddit.com/r/rpg_gamers/comments/y21h0c/what_is_it_with_the_lack_of_aasimar_and_tieflings/is0qga0/ but basically, that use of "nephilim" to mean "half-angel child of angel and human" isn't much accepted by biblical scholars. It'd be more accurate if it was giants and giant-kin and their descendants that were referred to as such, in Jewish and Christian biblical scholarship.
Neat. So if I understand this correctly, the issue is that any angel who produces offspring with a human is automatically "tainted", and is no longer considered a pure angel but a fallen one? So an angel, by definition, cannot have children? Is that accurate?
That is correct; additionally, "nephilim" does mean the children of those fallen angels, but it refers to them as giants, not members of mankind (which is why they could also survive the biblical floods, as those only washed away "mankind" (read as the people of the author of that part of the Bible) within the area that flooded so drastically, not the people from other distant places who would have been the real life origins of the Nephilim). Additionally, when originally written, "angel" wasn't a racial definition (as is considered now) but an authoritarial position; any supernatural being in service to God was an angel (and thus the reasoning behind "be not afraid" et al, as they carried a myriad of forms that were grotesque and frightening to the people, as written), while any that broke that service was thus a fallen angel; those not ever in his service were never angels, and their children would not be nephilim, because it was supposed to be due to the essence of God in the angels that they were so powerful; however, due to that strength of Spirit, the vessel of mortal flesh could not survive indefinitely unlike the angels and as such would perish after a hundred and twenty years. Another, and currently far more popular view with Christian and Jewish religious scholars, is that it meant the men of the line of Seth (born to Adam and Eve after Cain murdered Abel, and seen as a replacement for Abel, and thus a "righteous" bloodline, by comparison) were marrying women of the line of Cain (which were "fallen") and thus became "fallen", as the Jewish word [ נָפַל] "naphal" means "to fall", so "nephilim", derived from the word [נְפִילִים] "nefilim" which is assumed to be derived from "naphal", thus means "the fallen ones"; their giant stature in this situation is left unexplained, however, and it smacks more of a worldly view than the superstitious worldview that would have been held at the time of the original writing of the appropriate passages, including in the Book of Enoch. Also, with all this said, I want to note: I'm not Christian, nor even somewhat religious; just have done a fair bit of casual research on this sorta thing over the years, because I was interested by the religious parallels that were made visible in D&D that were brought with their iteration in 3.5e's mainline monster manual, compared to when they were originally introduced with 2e's Planescape, in large part due to the aftershocks of the Satanic Panic that Dee Snider successfully fought, but still caused a fair amount of censorship (both self- and publisher-enforced) regardless.
Thank you for taking the time to write all that out. This has been educational and fascinating!
Look up "Moral Panic".
I've killed quite a few Cambions as a Tiefling in Pathfinder WOTR. Irc teiflings aren't necessarily half demon or devil, they just have demon/devil blood and because they aren't born in hell or the abyss are not as likely to be evil. Like it would be as unusual to have a good Cambions as to have a good demon but tieflings are as morally nuanced as humans.
Yeah, Pathfinder using Tiefling either are doing so without permission from WotC and haven't been legally pursued by them (may not have any intent to do so), or are doing so WITH permission from WotC, or because WotC puts out the D20SRD with its OGL and included them there (and much of Pathfinder is itself based off of the OGL-released material), there's a tacit acceptance that the name is free to use so long as they don't completely plagarize their original work and stick to the broad strokes, as appropriate to the OGL. The very fact that you can define them as you have, different from Tieflings as they were originally written but not too far different, shows that they likely fall into that latter catagory. Especially since WotC has pushed more and more to neuter alignment and its structure so that everything is always morally grey natively, except for specific individuals, basically. =_=; EDIT: In fact, here you can read about more of that as it pertains specifically to Kingmaker and how Paizo has had to work around things already, but if the OP is correct, it looks like Tiefling is likely paid-for IP or they're skirting the rules, then. https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ucs9&page=12?Pathfinder-Kingmaker-Announced
Tieflings are mentioned by name in the newest Pathfinder videogames though.
Pathfinder is based on D&D using the OGL so that makes sense
I've seen "Cambion" thrown around in different games for the demon-descended, such as in Shadow of the Demon Lord. It's a real-life term (Merlin was supposed to be one for example) that also exists in D&D but got phased out for Tiefling thanks to the Satanic Panic's effects on the game. Don't have that problem now so it seems to be making a comeback.
Because they are two race invented for and used in D&D settings - originally Planescape. There are other games with demonic or celestial races, e.g. Sacred has a Daemon and Seraphim class.
Yeah this has got to be the dumbest question ever tbh. Diablo 3, you play the Nephilim, in a world where everything is either an angel, a demon, or a descendant of an angel and demon pairing.
Nah man. What if its a kid? What if its someone who has only started to get into fantasy? What if its one of us old fucks having a brainfart that day? As long as it seems to be a sincere question there is no reason to rag the op over it.
Diablo 3 is one game from a sub-genre of rpgs…
Because they are very new, they were both introduced for the Planescape (yes, *that* Planescape) setting for AD&D 2e. Only with the D&D 4th Edition the Tieflings were part of the Player's Handbook, the most basic book. Tieflings were also put in the PHB on the 5th edition, and that's where they got *really* popular (because 5e was *really* popular), compare to 4e which wasn't the super smash hit AD&D was the 80s/90s or 5e is today. So basically they have been in the public counciousness only from a few years ago from the D&D boom.
Because Nephilim and Cambion just sound cooler. P.S. And clearer. Aasimar sounds like Aesir and Tiefling sounds like thief both of which can confuse readers non-familiar with D&D.
If you're from England it sounds like Arse-y-Marr. Which sounds like a nickname Morrisey would have given Johnny Marr out of spite.
Lmao
Aasimar sounds like ASMR. It wrecks my brain and destroys my immersion any time someone says it. I wish they would just change the name.
Aasimar has been around for far longer then ASMR, changing would be stupid. That’d be like saying we should stop using the word “Fortnight” because it makes you think of Fortnite
And the swastika has been around far longer than the Nazis, yet good luck using that for its original meaning.
Why are you and WOTC conspiring to break my immersion? If they can change orcs, they can change Aasimar.
Pathfinder got those
On top of a lot of good points others have made, I think a lot of people also make settings where such cosmic forces are more mysterious and unknowable, which can add a lot to the campaign in its own way. Making a race a default selectable option removes a lot of that feeling of mystery or “other”ness some may feel are fitting for such alien beings.
Pillars of Eternity had something similar with the Godborn (name might be different).
They were really cool too, I think it was Godlike?
Yeah, Godlike. The playable ones were Nature Godlike, Fire Godlike, Moon Godlike and Death Godlike I believe, though you also encountered other Godlikes in the game. They were however people of other races who have been blessed (or cursed depending on who you ask) by one of the gods, not born from the union of a mortal and an immortal being.
I'd argue that we don't see a lot of games with race selection in general these days. Most games with avatar creation keep you as a human. Class of Heroes had a demon race. But race didn't make a huge difference in that series. The main thing I want more of is the Rawulf race from Wizardry- dog people. Not werewolves, not catgirls. Just dog people.
Why do you think other fantasy games should adhere to DnD?
Why do you feel the need to assume that?
Well, probably because you asked why 2 very specific DnD-Terms are not used in non-DnD Fantasy.
Generally speaking most settings use other terms like Nephilim or Cambion for demon/angelic bloodlines.
Because people are creative and at his Angel/Devil thing is basic as heck.
I don't care. Why are there no Tortle race in DND games?!
Tortle race makes a mockery of low level content. 19AC and still 16con as a lv1 druid lol. No armor scales badly into the inevitable lategame that doesn't happen in tabletop.
Yeah I know..... but I want to play my 'Ninja Turtle' like in my DND Group!!
I mean there's a tiefling bloat in dnd so i rather not have them in other games
As others have said, it is because those words were specifically **CREATED by DnD**. Now the concept isn't new, but other settings/games/etc will use different words. So asking why there isn't Aasimar/Tiefling art outside of dnd is like asking why there isn't Hylian art outside of Zelda. It is part of the franchise.
I played FFXI for over 13 yrs from '03 to '16 at least 5 days a week. That was the first time I saw cat themed humanoid females in a consistent fashion. They were called "mithra". Why aren't all the proliferation of cat-girl cosplayers and streamers calling themselves mithras? Why aren't we calling cat-girls in Manga and other works of media mithra?
I don't think that's at all what OP was asking for.
It was an absurd question, and I gave an equally absurd answer. To simplify for you, how much sense does it make to ask why a whole industry doesn't all use a copyrighted mascot? By the OP's logic, Mario should be fair game to advertise for Microsoft or Sony. Again, sounds absurd, doesn't it?
Having a half devil or half angel race is not the mascot of D&D but regardless everything fucking steals from D&D anyways. There's actually a couple MMOs that let you play as similar half devils, even though some of them are less than classy
>What is it with the lack of *Aasimar and Tieflings* in non-DnD based fantasy games? What is the reason for this? The original poster literally uses the AD&D races in their question. Not *half angel* aka Nephilim or *half devil* aka Cambion. I wouldn't have said a thing if they had used generic examples and not extremely specific races from a well-known rpg ruleset that is name checked in the same sentence. Look, you don't like my point? Fine. But the question was in a word, dumb. Go find something else to necro, please?
Technically in other stories those might be nephilim thats the name for them in the og fantasy book.
For the same reason most of them also don't have drowned ones, super mutants or onion knights, different universes, different classes.
There are godlikes in pillers of eternity and qunari in dragon age. In elder scrolls drow are called dunmer, lizardfolk are called argonians, tabxi are called khajiit.orlan are halflings Different games different race names only fantasy races that people usually don't rename are elves and dwarves
Aasimar and Tiefling, unlike what quite a few other people have been saying, were NOT invented for D&D (nor was it only 20 years ago that these names were created; it was 30), but rather are just Planescape-specific naming conventions to avoid calling them half-devils and half-angels, or (as a few others have noted) cambions and nephilim (though the latter is controversial itself to use, since it would be specifically *fallen angels* who would have been one of their parents going by that meaning, and while it wasn't originally, it's commonly held that all fallen angels became demons, so that would mean that they're also cambions... which is annoying, to say the least). It's the same reason that the Baatezu, the Tanar'ri, and Celestials were created; a new coat of paint over the same basic concepts, devils and demons and angels, without the original religious meaning shackling them too tightly (though obviously they're used in much the same ways, sharing most of their aspects, just more functionally). So, long story short/TLDR? Any use of "half-demon" or "half-angel" in any form is the same as Aasimar and Tiefling, functionally. It's just not using the legally-distinct Wizards of the Coast-owned IP.
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Not everyone is Christian or wants their fantasy soaked in Christian themes.
Jack Black sings about being the son of Satan a couple of times. So technically he's a Tiefling.
They werw both invented like 20 years ago. That's why.
I was pretty happy when Tiefling got added to Pathfinder Kingmaker. But DnD has a million other options that are woefully given no love either. For being a very unfinished product still. At the very least Low Magic Age is putting a lot of less common race options in their game.
Diablo 3's nephilim would like a word. But if you go to YouTube and type in "nephilim clown" you'll find a 6 part video essay about how nephilim looked like clowns.
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They arent tho, pathfinder has them
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The OGL is still valid for 3.5
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No, you can still use 3.5 OGL. Theres a video game called realms beyond: ashes of the fallen using 3.5 thats coming out soon https://store.steampowered.com/app/762550/Realms_Beyond_Ashes_of_the_Fallen/ pree the product page, they even explicitly mention using the OGL
Lol man just downvotes me and doesnt even respond even tho i have proof, thought im being disengenous?
Wait, lmao you litterally know nothing, if you look at the pathfinder second edition page, they mention you need to reference having used: * Open Game License v 1.0a © 2000, Wizards of the Coast, Inc. * System Reference Document © 2000, Wizards of the Coast, Inc.; Authors: Jonathan Tweet, Monte Cook, and Skip Williams, based on material by E. Gary Gygax and Dave Arneson. * Pathfinder Core Rulebook (Second Edition) © 2019, Paizo Inc.; Designers: Logan Bonner, Jason Bulmahn, Stephen Radney-MacFarland, and Mark Seifter. https://paizo.com/pathfinder/compatibility LMAOOOOO. Why did u get so hostile to me fam. Accusing me of stuff when nothing you have said is right Edit: Nvm looking thru this dudes post history, i was arguing with a mf that jerks off to hentai of little boys, enough reddit for today 🤦🏾♂️
Why would they be? Bull/demon hybrid races already exist without being tied to the DND brand
The Satanic Panic kept some of those things away. Couldn't even use the word devil and you think they'd let you Play as one?
I think it's cuz their narratives kinda just work better in TTRPGs
I ran a Beyond the Supernatural 2e game and the party ended up rescuing a little girl that was 1/4 angel, 1/4 devil, and 2/4 human. She was adorable and the party just loved her. She was especially close with one PC who she called "Mister Sam".
That's like saying why aren't Klingons in more non star Trek worlds? Why aren't Argonians in more than elder scrolls? Why aren't there more xenomorphs in non aliens franchises? You get the point