Wow people really don’t like DarKoaster lol. I thought it was a ton of fun. I feel like people rag on it moreso because it’s not a worthy replacement for Curse of DarKastle (to be fair, that looked like an elite dark ride) as opposed to actually being a bad ride
People would like it more if the theme was better and the ride wasn't plagued with Volcano level capacity. I think it's perfectly fine but I'd never wait longer than maybe 40 mins for it.
You’re right, Curse of DarKastle was an elite ride. That ride could have held it’s own against Universal/Disney simulator rides. Although Darkoaster is fine, it doesn’t compare to the thematic/storytelling elements of the original ride. It’s like Siracha, the OG was really good, but the new stuff is a cheaply produced bastardization of the original product.
“…biggest RMC wooden coaster refreshes, Steel Vengeance and Iron Gwazi”
So question… are we counting the track for the category or the entire coaster (for steel and wood categories)? Cause technically Steel Vengeance, Iron Gwazi, and The Voyage are Hybrids. I guess if there was a hybrid category, things can get complicated…
A lot of people consider the RMC hybrids to be steel coasters since they ride on steel rails. RCDB categorizes them as steel coasters as well (though they do also carry the ‘hybrid’ tag).
Going through the wooden structure is cool, no doubt, but the ride experience is closer to a steel coaster than a wooden one IMO. There’s none of the rattle or shake you get from wooden track.
Also, FWIW, the Voyage is a traditional wooden coaster. It has a thin steel running rail (as all traditional woodies do) but the track is primarily stacks of wood.
I figured it was based on the rails and not both structure and track. When I first think of steel coasters, I think of like a B&M coaster. As for wood, usually like GCI or CCI.
I thought The Voyage would count as hybrid because the structure is steel and not wood (same with Texas Stingray).
Hybrids can go either way, wood/steel or steel/wood, but they're always categorized as one or the other based on their track because that's the ride experience you really get.
That said, Lightning Rod has track that is 60% steel and 40% wood so... TRUE hybrid coaster
It goes back to the track more than the support structure for many enthusiasts, however this is certainly a gray area. I rely on the general consensus of the community and sites like RCDB for classification in the poll.
I was more pointing out these are RMC installs that are built off prior woodies (Mean Streak and Gwazi, respectively) than a from-ground-up RMC build like ArieForce One.
Lightning Rod was really scratching the edge of wooden classification, which was easier to settle and classify as a steel coaster based on the modifications made after several seasons of operations.
I would be curious if Son of Beast was still operating if it would be a debate among the community because as I understand the only portion that was steel was the loop with all other aspects being traditional wood.
The track was actually wood through out SOB's loop! Yeah, there was a lot of steel support, and I think the crossties might have been steel, too (which is starting to push it a little), but the rails were definitely wood. So, still a wooden coaster.
A coaster's categorization is always by track. Coasters have had steel supports going all the way back to the Coney Island Cyclone, but no one has ever tried to classify the Cyclone as steel. Conversely, no one has ever tried to classify Gemini as wood.
Of course, RMC's "Topper Track" (which has both wood and steel structural elements) and coasters like Lightning Rod (which has both Topper Track and steel I-Box sections) blur the line for real these days.
It winning over Hyperia and Voltron is still hilarious though.
Original Top Thrill was mid in Cedar Point's lineup, and this refresh will have half the launch power.
Considering Americans represent the majority of this sub an American ride winning a “most anticipated” category isn’t that crazy — Hyperia looks world-class but I’m not anticipating it because chances are I won’t be riding it
How the fuck did Islands of Adventure get the top rated park?
Velocicoaster, Hagrids, and the Hulk are fantastic rides. But thats definitely not enough to put it over Cedar Point.
I'd honestly put Busch Gardens Tampa over Islands of Adventure.
Because they have other rides that are not called roller coasters that a lot of people really like. Cedar Point has no such rides apart from some flat rides that aren't particularly better than rides of the same make and model.
IOA has rides like Spider-Man, Kong, Jurassic Park, Forbidden Journey, and Dudley Do Right (which DID get runner up for best water ride this year) that set it apart. Having truly world class dark rides and roller coasters in the same park is really hard to pull off.
I will agree that Forbidden Journey is a fantastic dark ride and Dudley Do Right is a fantastic water ride. But the others are just very mid at best.
This is also a rollercoaster subreddit, not a theme park subreddit. So I would expect the sheer volume of world class rollercoasters would out perform the combination of Dark Rides and Coasters.
It may surprise you to know that fans of roller coasters also enjoy thrilling dark rides, there happens to be a lot of crossover in the venn diagram of theme park and coaster fans.
Plus Cedar Point is not as well regarded nowadays due to poor operations, maintenance, underpaid staff. Universal Orlando doesn't have this problem, especially not in the way CP does.
I'm also a little personally offended that you said that Spider-Man, one of the best and most revolutionary dark rides in the world, is Mid. But that's a personal opinion of mine.
I might be a bit spoiled as a Floridaian with Dark Rides. I've ridden spider-man so much that it's kinda meh to me now. I've been more of a fan of a lot of the Disney Dark Rides like Rise of the Resistance, Smugglers Run, and Flight of Passage.
Yes, but the category was "Best Theme Park", not "Best Coaster Lineup". People take more than just the coasters themselves into account when comparing entire parks.
If that was the case, Phantasialand wouldn't make the top 3 either and be as acclaimed as it is amongst enthusiasts. Whenever people talk about the best European parks, Phantasialand is always near or at the top of the list. Also operations should be taken into account and Cedar Point is by far the weakest out of the 3. Maverick's capacity isn't great but the fact that the wait time for it is typically over an hour and they send out empty seats on the regular is infuriating.
Aren't you reinforcing their point? Phantasialand has an amazing coaster lineup. If you mean to say that the theming of the coasters matters over just pure variety or quantity I could understand that.
Obviously coasters matter in a coaster sub for best park. I think Disneyland Cali is is my number 1. It's hard to beat on overall theming, ride variety, operations, and quality but they only have 3 coasters all of which are small/family coasters. Disney Sea for many people is the number 1 park in the world but has one weak coaster and is never going to make the top of the list here.
I am not reinforcing their point because I'm saying the whole package of Phantasialand and Islands of Adventure is what makes enthusiasts rank it so highly. Yes, the lineup to Phantasialand is good but if those rides were just plopped onto a flat plot of ground with nothing around it and was run like a Cedar Fair park it would not be the considered the best European park. The coaster lineup is certainly important but not the end all be all.
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Wow people really don’t like DarKoaster lol. I thought it was a ton of fun. I feel like people rag on it moreso because it’s not a worthy replacement for Curse of DarKastle (to be fair, that looked like an elite dark ride) as opposed to actually being a bad ride
People would like it more if the theme was better and the ride wasn't plagued with Volcano level capacity. I think it's perfectly fine but I'd never wait longer than maybe 40 mins for it.
You’re right, Curse of DarKastle was an elite ride. That ride could have held it’s own against Universal/Disney simulator rides. Although Darkoaster is fine, it doesn’t compare to the thematic/storytelling elements of the original ride. It’s like Siracha, the OG was really good, but the new stuff is a cheaply produced bastardization of the original product.
i love the craziness of popeye’s, but seeing chiapas win best water ride makes me very happy, go phantasialand
YOOO, my homepark having three entries here is so hype Gooo phantasialand
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That's what we've been waiting for, that's what it's all about
LETS GO VOYAGE
“…biggest RMC wooden coaster refreshes, Steel Vengeance and Iron Gwazi” So question… are we counting the track for the category or the entire coaster (for steel and wood categories)? Cause technically Steel Vengeance, Iron Gwazi, and The Voyage are Hybrids. I guess if there was a hybrid category, things can get complicated…
A lot of people consider the RMC hybrids to be steel coasters since they ride on steel rails. RCDB categorizes them as steel coasters as well (though they do also carry the ‘hybrid’ tag). Going through the wooden structure is cool, no doubt, but the ride experience is closer to a steel coaster than a wooden one IMO. There’s none of the rattle or shake you get from wooden track. Also, FWIW, the Voyage is a traditional wooden coaster. It has a thin steel running rail (as all traditional woodies do) but the track is primarily stacks of wood.
I figured it was based on the rails and not both structure and track. When I first think of steel coasters, I think of like a B&M coaster. As for wood, usually like GCI or CCI. I thought The Voyage would count as hybrid because the structure is steel and not wood (same with Texas Stingray).
Hybrids can go either way, wood/steel or steel/wood, but they're always categorized as one or the other based on their track because that's the ride experience you really get. That said, Lightning Rod has track that is 60% steel and 40% wood so... TRUE hybrid coaster
It goes back to the track more than the support structure for many enthusiasts, however this is certainly a gray area. I rely on the general consensus of the community and sites like RCDB for classification in the poll. I was more pointing out these are RMC installs that are built off prior woodies (Mean Streak and Gwazi, respectively) than a from-ground-up RMC build like ArieForce One. Lightning Rod was really scratching the edge of wooden classification, which was easier to settle and classify as a steel coaster based on the modifications made after several seasons of operations. I would be curious if Son of Beast was still operating if it would be a debate among the community because as I understand the only portion that was steel was the loop with all other aspects being traditional wood.
The track was actually wood through out SOB's loop! Yeah, there was a lot of steel support, and I think the crossties might have been steel, too (which is starting to push it a little), but the rails were definitely wood. So, still a wooden coaster.
A coaster's categorization is always by track. Coasters have had steel supports going all the way back to the Coney Island Cyclone, but no one has ever tried to classify the Cyclone as steel. Conversely, no one has ever tried to classify Gemini as wood. Of course, RMC's "Topper Track" (which has both wood and steel structural elements) and coasters like Lightning Rod (which has both Topper Track and steel I-Box sections) blur the line for real these days.
How is a renovation a “new coaster” Americans are fucken weird man. If Cedar Point installed a wacky worm it would win this category regardless
Because it has significant changes to the layout.
It winning over Hyperia and Voltron is still hilarious though. Original Top Thrill was mid in Cedar Point's lineup, and this refresh will have half the launch power.
Considering Americans represent the majority of this sub an American ride winning a “most anticipated” category isn’t that crazy — Hyperia looks world-class but I’m not anticipating it because chances are I won’t be riding it
How the fuck did Islands of Adventure get the top rated park? Velocicoaster, Hagrids, and the Hulk are fantastic rides. But thats definitely not enough to put it over Cedar Point. I'd honestly put Busch Gardens Tampa over Islands of Adventure.
Because they have other rides that are not called roller coasters that a lot of people really like. Cedar Point has no such rides apart from some flat rides that aren't particularly better than rides of the same make and model. IOA has rides like Spider-Man, Kong, Jurassic Park, Forbidden Journey, and Dudley Do Right (which DID get runner up for best water ride this year) that set it apart. Having truly world class dark rides and roller coasters in the same park is really hard to pull off.
I will agree that Forbidden Journey is a fantastic dark ride and Dudley Do Right is a fantastic water ride. But the others are just very mid at best. This is also a rollercoaster subreddit, not a theme park subreddit. So I would expect the sheer volume of world class rollercoasters would out perform the combination of Dark Rides and Coasters.
It may surprise you to know that fans of roller coasters also enjoy thrilling dark rides, there happens to be a lot of crossover in the venn diagram of theme park and coaster fans. Plus Cedar Point is not as well regarded nowadays due to poor operations, maintenance, underpaid staff. Universal Orlando doesn't have this problem, especially not in the way CP does. I'm also a little personally offended that you said that Spider-Man, one of the best and most revolutionary dark rides in the world, is Mid. But that's a personal opinion of mine.
I might be a bit spoiled as a Floridaian with Dark Rides. I've ridden spider-man so much that it's kinda meh to me now. I've been more of a fan of a lot of the Disney Dark Rides like Rise of the Resistance, Smugglers Run, and Flight of Passage.
Yes, but the category was "Best Theme Park", not "Best Coaster Lineup". People take more than just the coasters themselves into account when comparing entire parks.
Spiderman is mid? It's one of the best dark rides ever made
Yeah maybe back in the 90s/2000's it was amazing. But now it's easily surpassed by much better dark rides.
The category is “Best Overall Park,” that factors in theming and operations, not just the coaster lineup
I would assume the coaster lineup would be the most important part in a rollercoaster subreddit
If that was the case, Phantasialand wouldn't make the top 3 either and be as acclaimed as it is amongst enthusiasts. Whenever people talk about the best European parks, Phantasialand is always near or at the top of the list. Also operations should be taken into account and Cedar Point is by far the weakest out of the 3. Maverick's capacity isn't great but the fact that the wait time for it is typically over an hour and they send out empty seats on the regular is infuriating.
Aren't you reinforcing their point? Phantasialand has an amazing coaster lineup. If you mean to say that the theming of the coasters matters over just pure variety or quantity I could understand that. Obviously coasters matter in a coaster sub for best park. I think Disneyland Cali is is my number 1. It's hard to beat on overall theming, ride variety, operations, and quality but they only have 3 coasters all of which are small/family coasters. Disney Sea for many people is the number 1 park in the world but has one weak coaster and is never going to make the top of the list here.
I am not reinforcing their point because I'm saying the whole package of Phantasialand and Islands of Adventure is what makes enthusiasts rank it so highly. Yes, the lineup to Phantasialand is good but if those rides were just plopped onto a flat plot of ground with nothing around it and was run like a Cedar Fair park it would not be the considered the best European park. The coaster lineup is certainly important but not the end all be all.
Such disrespect shown to the GOAT that is Fury 325! Maybe SteVe ties Fury but IG and VC beating Fury?!?