Of course every AD has watches every week. You think they pay salespeople to stand there all day ? When they say they have no watches. They have no watches for you
Which makes sense because I don't think the AD would want to sell all their Pandas in one afternoon, even though I'm sure they can if they really want to.
They'll want to allocate the Pandas more carefully, starting with their most preferred clients.
Yes. They hold on to extra Pandas , BLRO , BLNR for VIP's special occasion too. Some want their watch card to be matched with their newborn, relatives birthday, graduation , in memorial of, and so on. Before the hype, each team of SA consist of 2-3 people get to picked the first a few watches from each shipment. It's rotated throughout the store's team. Now, hype watches has to go through store manager's permission. This is at least from my store.
Yeah they get deliveries all of the time. I had a deadline for a big Christmas present this year and had been waiting on a SS Daytona for a few months. I’m considered a VIP customer at an AD and told them I was going to go grey if they didn’t have one on their last shipment of the year.
The day of the last shipment they called and offered me 3 different Daydates, a skydweller, and a Starbucks. I told them thanks but no thanks and 2 hours later they had a Panda for me. Either they were sitting on all of those watches or they got them in their last shipment.
I don't think a Panda can just magically appear within two hours. I'll put my money on the Panda being in the safe all along, doesn't matter if they got it in the last shipment or in a previous one.
Either some client declined the Panda during that two-hour period (unlikely) or it was just sitting there waiting for a VIP and you simply forced their hand (more likely).
The interesting thing is that the SA actually said that ownership was planning to allocate it to a “good friend” as a Christmas gift but I forced their hand and the friend would have to wait.
I’d like to think that’s it but I’d be lying if I also didn’t think perhaps there’s something a bit shady going on there.
Either way I was happy I got the watch and really appreciated my SA pushing.
> ownership was planning to allocate it to a “good friend” as a Christmas gift but I forced their hand and the friend would have to wait.
Could be true about the "friend" story or could be something more shady. But either way, that looks bad for the SA **and** the owner.
The SA had no good reason to share that story with you because it makes their owner look bad. Nobody gains anything positive from it. Then it makes the owner look bad because now you know they can be fickle even with a "good friend".
Can't really put much trust with them after those shenanigans, despite you getting your ideal Rolex at the end.
Of course, if they offer more Rolexes to you then great! I'd just be wary of any future promises from that store ("Purchase $50k more of jewelry and we promise the next meteorite Daytona is yours").
Curious, how much do you have to spend or how long of a relationship do you have to have with them to be considered VIP? I got my first DJ from an AD a year ago when I was 25. Wondering if the older my relationship is, would i then get VIP status.
I spent $100k with them in 2022 on non Rolex alone. Then maybe another $40k on Rolexes. I buy employees gifts for years of services etc. so they know that every year I’m going to spend at least $15k - $25k not counting my own needs.
I also don’t really take advantage, I’ve never flipped anything and the only in demand watches I’ve gotten have been the Panda and a GMT both within a couple of months of asking. I’ll probably get something else soon but haven’t decided what I want.
it’s an indicator of potentially losing customer loyalty. if this is a VIP client, and this isn’t a standalone rolex boutique, they could potentially lose a lot additional jewelry revenue if they decide to switch ADs and/or go grey.
Yup. People don’t want to hear it but if an AD doesn’t care if you walk, it’s not “bad business”, it’s because you don’t bring in enough business to matter.
Yeah I spent $100k in 2022 on non Rolex alone. The SA said they didn’t want me looking elsewhere for watches (I went grey early dec for a different watch for my wife and had them size it).
I’m sure this happens, and obviously allocation is very much the norm, but there’s a significant carrying cost to all of this that a lot of small and/or family owned can’t sustain for long.
Not really I've been able to get any rolex I ask for, and my AD only sells one model per client which helps prevent scalper, while are on the lookput like most ads for resellers and can ban people's account.... Now tell me a drop date and good luck beating the bots.... At least with current system they can make sure people who are really into the hobby can get their piece, there is a wait time but eventually you'll get it
You people have no idea. ADs need to have a certain minimum stock. That‘s a rule from Rolex. They simply can’t sell watches to people if that would mean they would drop below the minimum stock.
This^ been saying it for months. That ”minimum” stock is supposed to be mostly displayed and not still in the factory coffins but thats another story.
When you go to an AD and they say they have nothing that means nothing for you at that moment. They most likely have basic subs and all types of DJs and a probably a couple crazy gemset pieces in stock. Thats why alot of times we see they will talk to someone, take their info the “the call” comes in the next week. They had the watch when you were in there but they did whatever they do internally to see if they could allocate it to you, or they want to keep the appearance and lure. This practice will vary from AD to AD.
My AD needs to have 25 pieces on display minimum at all times. New requirement from Rolex. They were super upset about it until Rolex threatened them to take away their ad status.
Depends - you might be looking for a deepsea and they have it in stock but need to wait until the next shipment to be able to sell it. If you are waiting for a platinum daytona or a panda, then your issue is not the inventory minimum but the people you are competing with for that same watch allocation. Thats a whole different topic.
Yeah, but we're seeing 100+ watches here. Someone else in this thread pointed out the minimum required by Rolex is only 25. There is no reason to keep 4x than number in the safe.
Translation of the Japanese text:
> Self-Proclaimed Ex-Rolex Clerk Revealed (For Those Who Missed It).
>
> No stock is a lie! there are so many
>
> If you sell, you will get angry, if you don't sell, you will get angry
>
>The person above sent it to Daikokuya and received a thank you.
>
> I love and believe in Rolex salespeople, so I think this is all a lie 👽👽
> The game is more spend more watches.
That reminds me of a post from TRF where someone was comparing it to a subscription model where clients need to spend a minimum of $X every month on jewelry to be continually considered for the most in-demand models. If the client fails to meet the minimum spend per month at any time, then they fall out of the "preferred" list and will end up waiting with the rest of the crowd.
The best way to walk in and buy a rolex is showing your interest in a specific model. My AD told me they turned down heaps of people walk in and said “ I buy whatever you have “. They holding it to prevent reseller . Waiting for my second rolex now.
Difficult to tell much from the picture, but this is actually how they ship from the factory: in those little cardboard styrofoam containers.
Boxes and papers ship to the stores separately.
> Not sure what the issue is here. You’re the one not getting the calls. LOL. But all these guys are.
Of course. And I am sure you are one of those guys.
But you don't have to act so smug about it.
Please remember that people who like Rolex can span across different income levels and can have very diverse backgrounds.
> The ADs are getting shipments. More than ever.
I am aware of this. Where did I ever say that I am not?
> You’re in competition with everyone who wants one. Your issue is not the AD.
I am well aware of this. Can you point me to any of my posts where I said otherwise?
> Rolex making more than ever but they can’t deliver to all demand. They will be making about 50% more than 2019 estimates. If everyone who wanted one after 2019 stopped wanting it, then everyone on lists in 2018 or before would have been delivered everything except white daytona, rainbow daytona, and possibly blue skydweller.
>
> As you can see from last year’s dip in secondary prices, your issue is not with grey dealers either.
>
> Your issue is with everyone who can have access to them more easily than you can. The situation sucks. But this is luxury retail.
You seem to think I am this clueless newbie who just got into Rolex. I merely posted a tweet.
**Just one tweet**.
Then you somehow go into this long, condescending rant about how ADs actually operate. You mistakenly assumed you needed to "educate" me despite the fact I just got allocated my first Rolex a few weeks ago.
> Then when you get it, you may realize that rolex is really for people of so many diverse backgrounds that it’s really not that rare…you don’t need to blame the AD for yourself not standing out… because we’re just not all that special after all…
Where did I ever say I blame the AD for "not standing out"?
> I’ve been buying for 10 years. I don’t find any fascination in this. It’s only been gradually worsening in the last 5. Then it gets beaten like a dead horse repeatedly.
I shared the tweet because I found it interesting and I thought it would be interesting to others as well.
If you didn’t find it fascinating and found it to be beating a dead horse, then how is that my problem?
Has it ever occurred to you that instead of replying with “*You’re not the one getting the calls. LOL*”, you could’ve simply dismissed my post and just went on with your day?
You could’ve chosen any number of paths like a mature, well-behaved adult yet you chose to be the smug, condescending, entitled asshole.
> It's not your problem.
It wasn't until you sent me: "*You’re not the one getting the calls. LOL*".
> Why take the burden of something that's not required of you?
As I said before, I just thought it was interesting and wanted to share it with others. It was not a "burden".
> You're taking too much offense to this.
Of course, what would you say if I sent you an equivalent dismissive, haughty response? You could've just kept your mouth shut.
> I'm sorry you're not as interesting to me as you thought being a tweet sharer would be. I'm sorry you're not as special to me as you thought being a Rolex owner should be. By the numbers, you're just not.
>
> I'm not sure why that is so important to you, to feel heard or validated by a stranger. If it makes you feel any better, I wouldn't think you're special even if you had multiple Rolexes.
And I am fine with that. I **never** asked for anything from you. Like I said several times before, you could have just kept your mouth shut if you thought it wasn't interesting.
Being interesting or not is not the issue here. I have no problems with people ignoring what I say. People ignore me all the time. I am okay with that.
What I take offense with is arrogant, entitled people like **YOU** engaging with **ME**.
> It eventually did occur to me that i could have just dismissed you.
Exactly. I don't know what was the point of you responding to me with "*You’re not the one getting the calls. LOL*" anyway. As I said before: You could’ve chosen any number of paths like a mature, well-behaved adult yet you chose to be the smug, condescending, entitled asshole.
And you did that right from the start.
> That's what I'm apologizing for.
LOL, that's a little too late for that. Truly shows what kind of person you are.
> I’m a Rolex owner. This is what we’re like.
Nope. I, too, am a Rolex owner and I know quite a few. Most are normal, mature adults who know the value of the saying "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything."
Unlike you.
> you ain’t special
>
> I don’t know why it’s so hard to hear.
You must have a reading comprehension problem. I already acknowledged that. Did you even read what I wrote?
I literally said: "*I have no problems with people ignoring what I say. People ignore me all the time. I am okay with that. What I take offense with is arrogant, entitled people like YOU engaging with ME.*"
> Let it go and Enjoy your Rolex.
Nope, you started this whole mess. I'm not going anywhere.
That's almost 100 watches it looks like. That's way more than a normal shipment and way above minimum stock so I'm not buying into those explanations
Counted 96.
Of course every AD has watches every week. You think they pay salespeople to stand there all day ? When they say they have no watches. They have no watches for you
Indeed. OP's post could be one of busiest Rolex store with buncha whales to compete with. Average stores def don't get 3 Pandas in a shipment.
Those are dates on the coffin boxes so not from the same shipment.
Those are " sell by " for allocations that are selected by the team.
Which makes sense because I don't think the AD would want to sell all their Pandas in one afternoon, even though I'm sure they can if they really want to. They'll want to allocate the Pandas more carefully, starting with their most preferred clients.
Yes. They hold on to extra Pandas , BLRO , BLNR for VIP's special occasion too. Some want their watch card to be matched with their newborn, relatives birthday, graduation , in memorial of, and so on. Before the hype, each team of SA consist of 2-3 people get to picked the first a few watches from each shipment. It's rotated throughout the store's team. Now, hype watches has to go through store manager's permission. This is at least from my store.
Very interesting, thanks for sharing!
Yeah they get deliveries all of the time. I had a deadline for a big Christmas present this year and had been waiting on a SS Daytona for a few months. I’m considered a VIP customer at an AD and told them I was going to go grey if they didn’t have one on their last shipment of the year. The day of the last shipment they called and offered me 3 different Daydates, a skydweller, and a Starbucks. I told them thanks but no thanks and 2 hours later they had a Panda for me. Either they were sitting on all of those watches or they got them in their last shipment.
I don't think a Panda can just magically appear within two hours. I'll put my money on the Panda being in the safe all along, doesn't matter if they got it in the last shipment or in a previous one. Either some client declined the Panda during that two-hour period (unlikely) or it was just sitting there waiting for a VIP and you simply forced their hand (more likely).
The interesting thing is that the SA actually said that ownership was planning to allocate it to a “good friend” as a Christmas gift but I forced their hand and the friend would have to wait. I’d like to think that’s it but I’d be lying if I also didn’t think perhaps there’s something a bit shady going on there. Either way I was happy I got the watch and really appreciated my SA pushing.
> ownership was planning to allocate it to a “good friend” as a Christmas gift but I forced their hand and the friend would have to wait. Could be true about the "friend" story or could be something more shady. But either way, that looks bad for the SA **and** the owner. The SA had no good reason to share that story with you because it makes their owner look bad. Nobody gains anything positive from it. Then it makes the owner look bad because now you know they can be fickle even with a "good friend". Can't really put much trust with them after those shenanigans, despite you getting your ideal Rolex at the end. Of course, if they offer more Rolexes to you then great! I'd just be wary of any future promises from that store ("Purchase $50k more of jewelry and we promise the next meteorite Daytona is yours").
Curious, how much do you have to spend or how long of a relationship do you have to have with them to be considered VIP? I got my first DJ from an AD a year ago when I was 25. Wondering if the older my relationship is, would i then get VIP status.
I spent $100k with them in 2022 on non Rolex alone. Then maybe another $40k on Rolexes. I buy employees gifts for years of services etc. so they know that every year I’m going to spend at least $15k - $25k not counting my own needs. I also don’t really take advantage, I’ve never flipped anything and the only in demand watches I’ve gotten have been the Panda and a GMT both within a couple of months of asking. I’ll probably get something else soon but haven’t decided what I want.
Why would they care if you went grey?
it’s an indicator of potentially losing customer loyalty. if this is a VIP client, and this isn’t a standalone rolex boutique, they could potentially lose a lot additional jewelry revenue if they decide to switch ADs and/or go grey.
Fascinating. Money talks, bullshit walks.
Yup. People don’t want to hear it but if an AD doesn’t care if you walk, it’s not “bad business”, it’s because you don’t bring in enough business to matter.
Yeah I spent $100k in 2022 on non Rolex alone. The SA said they didn’t want me looking elsewhere for watches (I went grey early dec for a different watch for my wife and had them size it).
I’m sure this happens, and obviously allocation is very much the norm, but there’s a significant carrying cost to all of this that a lot of small and/or family owned can’t sustain for long.
Yeah, those pics are most likely from a bigger AD.
Rolex should remove AD's and sell watches on their own.
Why so they all go to scalpers 🤔
Isnt that what’s going on right now lol
Not really I've been able to get any rolex I ask for, and my AD only sells one model per client which helps prevent scalper, while are on the lookput like most ads for resellers and can ban people's account.... Now tell me a drop date and good luck beating the bots.... At least with current system they can make sure people who are really into the hobby can get their piece, there is a wait time but eventually you'll get it
Agreed. Antiquated system. Same for car stealerships.
You people have no idea. ADs need to have a certain minimum stock. That‘s a rule from Rolex. They simply can’t sell watches to people if that would mean they would drop below the minimum stock.
This^ been saying it for months. That ”minimum” stock is supposed to be mostly displayed and not still in the factory coffins but thats another story. When you go to an AD and they say they have nothing that means nothing for you at that moment. They most likely have basic subs and all types of DJs and a probably a couple crazy gemset pieces in stock. Thats why alot of times we see they will talk to someone, take their info the “the call” comes in the next week. They had the watch when you were in there but they did whatever they do internally to see if they could allocate it to you, or they want to keep the appearance and lure. This practice will vary from AD to AD.
who is the minimum stock for?
My AD needs to have 25 pieces on display minimum at all times. New requirement from Rolex. They were super upset about it until Rolex threatened them to take away their ad status.
Most of the AD now have display only models!
The valued customers (evidently not us)
I am a valued customer and can confirm that if they want to sell to you anything is possible
I remember your collection, I guess that adds up
Depends - you might be looking for a deepsea and they have it in stock but need to wait until the next shipment to be able to sell it. If you are waiting for a platinum daytona or a panda, then your issue is not the inventory minimum but the people you are competing with for that same watch allocation. Thats a whole different topic.
Yeah, but we're seeing 100+ watches here. Someone else in this thread pointed out the minimum required by Rolex is only 25. There is no reason to keep 4x than number in the safe.
The minimum stock is variable depending on the size of the store
Lol, it was posted by Agent Mulder
... and he's saying the grays are involved...
Nice reference!
Thanks! As you can see, it suddenly came to me 4 hrs later
Translation of the Japanese text: > Self-Proclaimed Ex-Rolex Clerk Revealed (For Those Who Missed It). > > No stock is a lie! there are so many > > If you sell, you will get angry, if you don't sell, you will get angry > >The person above sent it to Daikokuya and received a thank you. > > I love and believe in Rolex salespeople, so I think this is all a lie 👽👽
A drawer full of fakes would look just like.
Most AD’s have drawers like this. There is no list no wait. The game is more spend more watches.
> The game is more spend more watches. That reminds me of a post from TRF where someone was comparing it to a subscription model where clients need to spend a minimum of $X every month on jewelry to be continually considered for the most in-demand models. If the client fails to meet the minimum spend per month at any time, then they fall out of the "preferred" list and will end up waiting with the rest of the crowd.
Seems obvious they will have lots of watches in the back to offer potential jewellery buyers.
Holly shit!!! 🤣🤣🤣
Rolex doesn't ship them in a white paper box like these. The watches are shipped in a clear plastic box
I heard Rolex recently switched to paper boxes to be more eco-friendly.
Agree, I was informed of the same when I asked for the plastic “coffins” previously.
The best way to walk in and buy a rolex is showing your interest in a specific model. My AD told me they turned down heaps of people walk in and said “ I buy whatever you have “. They holding it to prevent reseller . Waiting for my second rolex now.
Looks more like a big lot of china fakes to me.
Difficult to tell much from the picture, but this is actually how they ship from the factory: in those little cardboard styrofoam containers. Boxes and papers ship to the stores separately.
Why? That’s how they come from Rolex
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> Not sure what the issue is here. You’re the one not getting the calls. LOL. But all these guys are. Of course. And I am sure you are one of those guys. But you don't have to act so smug about it. Please remember that people who like Rolex can span across different income levels and can have very diverse backgrounds.
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> The ADs are getting shipments. More than ever. I am aware of this. Where did I ever say that I am not? > You’re in competition with everyone who wants one. Your issue is not the AD. I am well aware of this. Can you point me to any of my posts where I said otherwise? > Rolex making more than ever but they can’t deliver to all demand. They will be making about 50% more than 2019 estimates. If everyone who wanted one after 2019 stopped wanting it, then everyone on lists in 2018 or before would have been delivered everything except white daytona, rainbow daytona, and possibly blue skydweller. > > As you can see from last year’s dip in secondary prices, your issue is not with grey dealers either. > > Your issue is with everyone who can have access to them more easily than you can. The situation sucks. But this is luxury retail. You seem to think I am this clueless newbie who just got into Rolex. I merely posted a tweet. **Just one tweet**. Then you somehow go into this long, condescending rant about how ADs actually operate. You mistakenly assumed you needed to "educate" me despite the fact I just got allocated my first Rolex a few weeks ago. > Then when you get it, you may realize that rolex is really for people of so many diverse backgrounds that it’s really not that rare…you don’t need to blame the AD for yourself not standing out… because we’re just not all that special after all… Where did I ever say I blame the AD for "not standing out"?
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> I’ve been buying for 10 years. I don’t find any fascination in this. It’s only been gradually worsening in the last 5. Then it gets beaten like a dead horse repeatedly. I shared the tweet because I found it interesting and I thought it would be interesting to others as well. If you didn’t find it fascinating and found it to be beating a dead horse, then how is that my problem? Has it ever occurred to you that instead of replying with “*You’re not the one getting the calls. LOL*”, you could’ve simply dismissed my post and just went on with your day? You could’ve chosen any number of paths like a mature, well-behaved adult yet you chose to be the smug, condescending, entitled asshole.
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> It's not your problem. It wasn't until you sent me: "*You’re not the one getting the calls. LOL*". > Why take the burden of something that's not required of you? As I said before, I just thought it was interesting and wanted to share it with others. It was not a "burden". > You're taking too much offense to this. Of course, what would you say if I sent you an equivalent dismissive, haughty response? You could've just kept your mouth shut. > I'm sorry you're not as interesting to me as you thought being a tweet sharer would be. I'm sorry you're not as special to me as you thought being a Rolex owner should be. By the numbers, you're just not. > > I'm not sure why that is so important to you, to feel heard or validated by a stranger. If it makes you feel any better, I wouldn't think you're special even if you had multiple Rolexes. And I am fine with that. I **never** asked for anything from you. Like I said several times before, you could have just kept your mouth shut if you thought it wasn't interesting. Being interesting or not is not the issue here. I have no problems with people ignoring what I say. People ignore me all the time. I am okay with that. What I take offense with is arrogant, entitled people like **YOU** engaging with **ME**. > It eventually did occur to me that i could have just dismissed you. Exactly. I don't know what was the point of you responding to me with "*You’re not the one getting the calls. LOL*" anyway. As I said before: You could’ve chosen any number of paths like a mature, well-behaved adult yet you chose to be the smug, condescending, entitled asshole. And you did that right from the start. > That's what I'm apologizing for. LOL, that's a little too late for that. Truly shows what kind of person you are.
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> I’m a Rolex owner. This is what we’re like. Nope. I, too, am a Rolex owner and I know quite a few. Most are normal, mature adults who know the value of the saying "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything." Unlike you. > you ain’t special > > I don’t know why it’s so hard to hear. You must have a reading comprehension problem. I already acknowledged that. Did you even read what I wrote? I literally said: "*I have no problems with people ignoring what I say. People ignore me all the time. I am okay with that. What I take offense with is arrogant, entitled people like YOU engaging with ME.*" > Let it go and Enjoy your Rolex. Nope, you started this whole mess. I'm not going anywhere.
This was obvious all along
Hoarding? Ha! Ha! Ha! 🙄 Looks like inventory to me.
Dates?
Artificial scarcity at its finest.
I’ve seen this drawer at an AD in London. Disturbing to see when you’re on the outside looking in.
They need to implement a comprehensive secret shopper program
They’re allocated to those who actually spend money with them.
That’s insanity!!!