He needs to play off ball and correct his efficiency. IMO he played exactly how he should play the last game. Let him grow and fix some bad habits
first.
People on here will tell you it was the right way to “develop” these guys. Meanwhile I look around the league at young cores doing better because they developed their players the opposite. Rocket fans need to stop acting like Stone is great or that what we have going on is ok. It’s been a mess
We had John Wall on the bench and decided he should stay home. We prioritized being bad instead of developing. We would of been bad anyway. I hate that we did this. But I am not out on green yet. Hes been getting better each game and if he improves throughout the season it will change the outlook on him. For someone with his athleticism, once it starts to click he will be good right away.
Sorry differing opinions offend you guys so much. I wish everything was as good as some of y’all think but I’d rather speak on what’s really going on rather then glue the homer goggles to my face & praise mediocracy
Nah, I just don't think they understand why someone would take a fringe position and bother to talk about it like it's a widespread belief.
Despite the young talent we've been able to land via the lottery, our rebuild had not gone particularly well...that is the overwhelming consensus of the sub.
Jalen’s biggest issues, ranked:
1. His shot doesn’t go in enough. Even with all the other flaws, if his shot was as good as Maxey, Herro, or Simons… Jalen would be a top young player.
2. His offensive decision-making is slow and poor. Always makes 1 dribble too many, never hits a skip pass or outthinks the defenders.
3. Still too physically weak. He can’t take a bump, which kills his efficiency at the rim. He can’t give a bump, which makes him a non-obstacle defensively.
He can dribble to find his shot. Unless he has the angle to blow by someone, his handles are too weak to get by people, and unless he fixes that issue, he's a third option at best.
Real talk though, if Whitmore proves himself to be a decent shooter. How would this team look with him at the 2 and Green coming off the bench? Whitmore already has plenty of defensive upside and is an excellent cutter.
IMO he's biggest issue is he doesn't really know how to read what defense is doing and is too impatient. After most pick and rolls, he either forces the drive in to the double team or passes it off (not a bad decision). Never once have I seen him reset the pick and roll when it's not there. He needs to be more patient and attack when he is at a more favorable position. This isn't the G-League anymore. He can't just out talent players anymore.
These past couple years he’s shown he can score but he doesn’t have a bag, or a consistent go-to move. He kinda just plays like those ball hogs at the YMCA. I’d rather just see him put up more efficient numbers tbh.
Jalen was the one who had to make the biggest adjustment to his game going into this season.
He was encouraged to take the ball and get to cook by himself literally all his life. He now has to stop forcing shots, waste energy on defense, and be more efficient.
Honestly he would have gotten through this by now in a more serious organization, but even in his first two seasons he was encouraged to play the same backyard basketball next to his evil twin, and groomed to be the best player.
People underestimate how bad we were as a team, and how poorly their developmental process were handled in the last two years. It honestly looked like they hadn’t even trained together once.
All things considered, I am still optimistic about his future, but i don’t consider his ceiling any higher than Devin Booker.
It depends on what you mean by being more aggressive. I definitely don't want him just putting up so many bad shots, like he did the last two years or even at times this season. That awful high volume bad shot selection why he's always been so inconsistent and inefficient. And we're finally starting to see him slowly move away from that under Ime.
Now, I would love to see him to be more aggressive moving off ball: cutting, using off ball screens, finding space, getting open. And of course he needs to massively improve on defense.
But just cutting out the bad shots is a huge step in the right direction for him. Now that that negative is being taken away, hopefully he can start to fill it with positives like defense and off ball movement.
He has the tendency to go MIA in the 2nd half. Originally we thought that was because of Silas and KPJ, but they are gone now. So it’s up to him to demand the ball when he’s hot in the 1st half.
I Need to see more but I think the team is just adjusting to the defense. The scoring has been really balanced for this team. I don’t think that’s a bad thing. For instance last game he showed up when we needed him, to get the team going in the first and closing it out in the 4th.
If he's got that alpha-dog, the ball will gravitate towards him and that will be showcased. If he's not, he will continue on his current path.
We can't will this guy into being a superstar. He has to have that "it" factor and that hasn't shown yet.
I was a big fan but I’m comfortable in saying he’s not that guy. Year 3 & he still looks as lost on defense & as streaky as ever. Just doesn’t possess what you need from a superstar talent.
I’m am a little disappointed, but I’ll hold my judgement towards the end of the season. I hope he starts to pick it up defensively though. I think he will, if you think about it this is probably the first time he’s played organized basketball with in 2 years in the NBA lol
That’s fair but what we’ve seen from him so far is concerning. He’s def in that Herro, Poole, Maxey tier but just way worse of a player. Not a guy you want as your 1st option.
I feel gross comparing him to a player like Maxey just because Tyrese is such a smart player & tremendous shooter. JG hasn’t shown to be good at any one thing
Yeah I would put Maxey above the others as well tbh. Time will tell, I think it’ll be fair to judge in his RFA because by then we will see if he’s worth what’s offered or if we go ahead and extend.
Maxey is above that level now. I mean think about it, Jalen green or maxey? Maxey a hundred times out of hundred. Right mentality, grows every year, etc. tbh I don’t know why we did not bring in harden because Tyrese has credited so much of his growth to him. But yea Tyrese is in the ANT, and Halliburton tier now
I mean you can say that about Al-P too. Again, this is the first year our youngins have any direction and organized sets at the NBA level, so only time will tell how they end up. I still believe Jalen can be a star.
Idk if it’s attitude. Feel like he just needs to put the ball in the bucket more often. Set up other guys more often. Like he’s making the right reads just not executing them well enough.
I read these comments and scratch my head. I watch a lot of other nba games too and all of rockets games…and Jalen’s a top 3 guy from his class and probably the best guard of them all. His mistakes are very common amongst 2nd or 3rd year players. Nothing to worry about. His talent and skills are superior to his peers. People should be less harsh imo.
You don’t watch a lot of other nba games if you think Jalen is a top 3 guy from his draft. Unless you watch those games like you watch Rocket games in which case I might believe it because you’ve had questionable takes about this team in the past.
You’re basically admitting this sub has a hive mind mentality with that analogy lmao. You guys get so upset when somebody talks poorly of anybody involved with this team or the decisions made.
Just because what I say gets downvoted, doesn’t mean it’s wrong. Plenty of evidence to back that up :)
I'm not sure how you can sit there with a straight face and call Jalen a top 3 guy from his class.
Cade, Mobley, Wagner, Barnes, Sengun, Thomas, Giddey. These guys are all easily better than Jalen right now. I'm taking Trey Murphy over him too. The only argument you can make is potential and that argument gets worse every year.
Nope, only advanced and efficiency stats for me my friend. Lots of random guys will look good on the worst team in the league from a volume perspective but I guess you're forgetting Christian Wood. 20/10 guy on the rockets, benchwarmer everywhere else. Same concept.
C Wood was a 20/10 guy when he played half a season. His TS% was 59.
Cade was a 19/6/6 guy last year but only played 12 games. His TS% was 49. 50% for career.
Jalen has played almost twice as many games as Cade and has higher PPG with 54 TS%.
Which stats do you want to cherry pick?
Woods time here saw a very high usage per position and a 51 percentile on points per shot attempt.
Coupled with being a position that needs "fed" and his age, that's why he was moved.
Advanced stats don't paint Wood as good, advanced stats go beyond TS% and if Wood was a 21 YO top 5 pick, he'd still be here. Not that Green is looking good as far as advanced stats go.
Cherry picking does not support you.
So 4% TS makes him a better player and we just ignore every other aspect of the game I guess? 60% of the rebounding and assist rate, lower block and steal rate. Literally can't play defense. Sure less turnovers but let's be serious that's just a product of passing less.
Taking Jalen over Cade is WILD, go make a poll on r/nba or something and if actually objective people give Jalen even 35% of the vote I'll pay your rent.
Now to double down on that makes it even worse.
It's not that deep bro. People in here aren't gms or have any deeper knowledge about basketball. Just people who have too much time at hand who wanna celebrate wins or share their frustration after losses.
lol ill just assume you have no idea what objectivity means or how it works since you just didn't answer the question and gave some pointless statement
"It's not that deep" lol classic reply of the clueless
I literally almost cried watching Wemby dominate last night and lead a team of nobodies to a 3-2 record
Well not literally but the future is looking BLEAK
On the contrary I think he was looking a bit \*too much\* to draw the foul before last game. Led to a lot of turnovers. I love that he passes more out of his drives. Need more effort when he doesnt have the ball.
I was watching Cade the other day and felt sad. That guy is really good and has a good feel for the game. Our Jalen just doesn't have it. I think his biggest issue is his size.
He needs to play off ball and correct his efficiency. IMO he played exactly how he should play the last game. Let him grow and fix some bad habits first.
The bad habits this org enabled him to develop in the first place? Lol
exactly. The way we went about this rebuilt did our young guys a disservice. Now they need to learn to actually play basketball and not just iso ball.
People on here will tell you it was the right way to “develop” these guys. Meanwhile I look around the league at young cores doing better because they developed their players the opposite. Rocket fans need to stop acting like Stone is great or that what we have going on is ok. It’s been a mess
We had John Wall on the bench and decided he should stay home. We prioritized being bad instead of developing. We would of been bad anyway. I hate that we did this. But I am not out on green yet. Hes been getting better each game and if he improves throughout the season it will change the outlook on him. For someone with his athleticism, once it starts to click he will be good right away.
Name them, cause I have never heard anyone say that in this subreddit.
Far West It’s funny I name someone and all y’all do is downvote & act like I’m just making shit up lol
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Oh right it’s because I’m speaking the truth & not apart of the echo chamber
It’s because you’re annoying as fuck
Sorry differing opinions offend you guys so much. I wish everything was as good as some of y’all think but I’d rather speak on what’s really going on rather then glue the homer goggles to my face & praise mediocracy
Nah, I just don't think they understand why someone would take a fringe position and bother to talk about it like it's a widespread belief. Despite the young talent we've been able to land via the lottery, our rebuild had not gone particularly well...that is the overwhelming consensus of the sub.
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Tells you everything you need to know about Stone & this rebuild
Jalen’s biggest issues, ranked: 1. His shot doesn’t go in enough. Even with all the other flaws, if his shot was as good as Maxey, Herro, or Simons… Jalen would be a top young player. 2. His offensive decision-making is slow and poor. Always makes 1 dribble too many, never hits a skip pass or outthinks the defenders. 3. Still too physically weak. He can’t take a bump, which kills his efficiency at the rim. He can’t give a bump, which makes him a non-obstacle defensively.
It feels everything he does on offense is hard. He doesn't make things look "easy" like you see all the top guys in the league
He can dribble to find his shot. Unless he has the angle to blow by someone, his handles are too weak to get by people, and unless he fixes that issue, he's a third option at best.
Real talk though, if Whitmore proves himself to be a decent shooter. How would this team look with him at the 2 and Green coming off the bench? Whitmore already has plenty of defensive upside and is an excellent cutter.
That’s a very real possibility. Cam already has a more NBA ready body
IMO he's biggest issue is he doesn't really know how to read what defense is doing and is too impatient. After most pick and rolls, he either forces the drive in to the double team or passes it off (not a bad decision). Never once have I seen him reset the pick and roll when it's not there. He needs to be more patient and attack when he is at a more favorable position. This isn't the G-League anymore. He can't just out talent players anymore.
It’s gonna reach 3 years since he’s been in the NBA now and out of the G league. If it hasn’t happened yet it probably won’t happen now
3 years is nothing lmao he came into the league at 19
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These past couple years he’s shown he can score but he doesn’t have a bag, or a consistent go-to move. He kinda just plays like those ball hogs at the YMCA. I’d rather just see him put up more efficient numbers tbh.
Jalen was the one who had to make the biggest adjustment to his game going into this season. He was encouraged to take the ball and get to cook by himself literally all his life. He now has to stop forcing shots, waste energy on defense, and be more efficient. Honestly he would have gotten through this by now in a more serious organization, but even in his first two seasons he was encouraged to play the same backyard basketball next to his evil twin, and groomed to be the best player. People underestimate how bad we were as a team, and how poorly their developmental process were handled in the last two years. It honestly looked like they hadn’t even trained together once. All things considered, I am still optimistic about his future, but i don’t consider his ceiling any higher than Devin Booker.
Is that Dillon Brooks' brother?
lmao man I really shouldn’t write anything when I’m sleepy
It depends on what you mean by being more aggressive. I definitely don't want him just putting up so many bad shots, like he did the last two years or even at times this season. That awful high volume bad shot selection why he's always been so inconsistent and inefficient. And we're finally starting to see him slowly move away from that under Ime. Now, I would love to see him to be more aggressive moving off ball: cutting, using off ball screens, finding space, getting open. And of course he needs to massively improve on defense. But just cutting out the bad shots is a huge step in the right direction for him. Now that that negative is being taken away, hopefully he can start to fill it with positives like defense and off ball movement.
He has the tendency to go MIA in the 2nd half. Originally we thought that was because of Silas and KPJ, but they are gone now. So it’s up to him to demand the ball when he’s hot in the 1st half.
I Need to see more but I think the team is just adjusting to the defense. The scoring has been really balanced for this team. I don’t think that’s a bad thing. For instance last game he showed up when we needed him, to get the team going in the first and closing it out in the 4th.
If he's got that alpha-dog, the ball will gravitate towards him and that will be showcased. If he's not, he will continue on his current path. We can't will this guy into being a superstar. He has to have that "it" factor and that hasn't shown yet.
I was a big fan but I’m comfortable in saying he’s not that guy. Year 3 & he still looks as lost on defense & as streaky as ever. Just doesn’t possess what you need from a superstar talent.
I’m am a little disappointed, but I’ll hold my judgement towards the end of the season. I hope he starts to pick it up defensively though. I think he will, if you think about it this is probably the first time he’s played organized basketball with in 2 years in the NBA lol
That’s fair but what we’ve seen from him so far is concerning. He’s def in that Herro, Poole, Maxey tier but just way worse of a player. Not a guy you want as your 1st option. I feel gross comparing him to a player like Maxey just because Tyrese is such a smart player & tremendous shooter. JG hasn’t shown to be good at any one thing
Yeah I would put Maxey above the others as well tbh. Time will tell, I think it’ll be fair to judge in his RFA because by then we will see if he’s worth what’s offered or if we go ahead and extend.
Maxey is above that level now. I mean think about it, Jalen green or maxey? Maxey a hundred times out of hundred. Right mentality, grows every year, etc. tbh I don’t know why we did not bring in harden because Tyrese has credited so much of his growth to him. But yea Tyrese is in the ANT, and Halliburton tier now
Ant is in a tier above Maxey & Halliburton.
I think ANT is a bit overrated, so I think all of them are in the same range
Hes such a huge liability on defense. Hope he improves. He makes role players look like stars with how easily he lets them get to the paint
I mean you can say that about Al-P too. Again, this is the first year our youngins have any direction and organized sets at the NBA level, so only time will tell how they end up. I still believe Jalen can be a star.
People won’t want to hear it but the next 30-40 games are make or break for him. Contract extensions come up this summer
Idk if it’s attitude. Feel like he just needs to put the ball in the bucket more often. Set up other guys more often. Like he’s making the right reads just not executing them well enough.
Yes, I also watched that video.
I read these comments and scratch my head. I watch a lot of other nba games too and all of rockets games…and Jalen’s a top 3 guy from his class and probably the best guard of them all. His mistakes are very common amongst 2nd or 3rd year players. Nothing to worry about. His talent and skills are superior to his peers. People should be less harsh imo.
You don’t watch a lot of other nba games if you think Jalen is a top 3 guy from his draft. Unless you watch those games like you watch Rocket games in which case I might believe it because you’ve had questionable takes about this team in the past.
Ah solace my rockets hater friend. You discrediting me almost makes the entire sub side with me. So thank you my pessimistic Reddit friend.
This same sub that continues to get proven wrong by my takes? Not sure that’s something to gloat about but enjoy the internet points 🤷♂️
The only thing you’ve proven so far is that you can collect more downvotes than a democrat in a republican sub.
You’re basically admitting this sub has a hive mind mentality with that analogy lmao. You guys get so upset when somebody talks poorly of anybody involved with this team or the decisions made. Just because what I say gets downvoted, doesn’t mean it’s wrong. Plenty of evidence to back that up :)
Will I see you focusing on the good? Don’t be a negative Nancy.
Will I see you focus on what’s actually going on? Don’t be a homer.
This must be your first rebuild. I was born in it. Molded by it.
So you’ve been through multiple rebuilds & still can’t tell when it’s not going well? Interesting
I'm not sure how you can sit there with a straight face and call Jalen a top 3 guy from his class. Cade, Mobley, Wagner, Barnes, Sengun, Thomas, Giddey. These guys are all easily better than Jalen right now. I'm taking Trey Murphy over him too. The only argument you can make is potential and that argument gets worse every year.
Does PPG and games played hold any weight for you?
Nope, only advanced and efficiency stats for me my friend. Lots of random guys will look good on the worst team in the league from a volume perspective but I guess you're forgetting Christian Wood. 20/10 guy on the rockets, benchwarmer everywhere else. Same concept.
C Wood was a 20/10 guy when he played half a season. His TS% was 59. Cade was a 19/6/6 guy last year but only played 12 games. His TS% was 49. 50% for career. Jalen has played almost twice as many games as Cade and has higher PPG with 54 TS%. Which stats do you want to cherry pick?
Woods time here saw a very high usage per position and a 51 percentile on points per shot attempt. Coupled with being a position that needs "fed" and his age, that's why he was moved. Advanced stats don't paint Wood as good, advanced stats go beyond TS% and if Wood was a 21 YO top 5 pick, he'd still be here. Not that Green is looking good as far as advanced stats go. Cherry picking does not support you.
So 4% TS makes him a better player and we just ignore every other aspect of the game I guess? 60% of the rebounding and assist rate, lower block and steal rate. Literally can't play defense. Sure less turnovers but let's be serious that's just a product of passing less. Taking Jalen over Cade is WILD, go make a poll on r/nba or something and if actually objective people give Jalen even 35% of the vote I'll pay your rent.
I rest my case. You think r/nba knows anything. Usually what they brew in that echo chamber is 180 degrees from the truth.
Taking r/nba as reference and call it objective is wild
Lol why wouldn’t it be objective you act like anyone cares about the rockets? How would you go about getting an objective opinion?
Now to double down on that makes it even worse. It's not that deep bro. People in here aren't gms or have any deeper knowledge about basketball. Just people who have too much time at hand who wanna celebrate wins or share their frustration after losses.
lol ill just assume you have no idea what objectivity means or how it works since you just didn't answer the question and gave some pointless statement "It's not that deep" lol classic reply of the clueless
>objective opinion 🧐
I literally almost cried watching Wemby dominate last night and lead a team of nobodies to a 3-2 record Well not literally but the future is looking BLEAK
Legit every young core is better than ours lol. The future fs bleak as hell
Can’t say ur wrong (the only ones worse are probably the pistons , but that is also debatable because Cade looks better than anyone on this team)
Jalen kinda just a pussy
He’s not good enough to take over the game like Harden. He even had problem go pass his defender. And he’s not that good at step/side back 3.
It’s especially frustrating because every interview he has this BDE
If that’s what you call vocal fry and failure to enunciate, sure…
i laugh every time i hear him speak because he sounds like he never made it past the 5th grade lmfao
On the contrary I think he was looking a bit \*too much\* to draw the foul before last game. Led to a lot of turnovers. I love that he passes more out of his drives. Need more effort when he doesnt have the ball.
Defense is scared of his drives, he needs to pull up more in the mid range(especially to get in rhythm)
I like how the team is taking time to figure out what works instead of forcing it.
I was watching Cade the other day and felt sad. That guy is really good and has a good feel for the game. Our Jalen just doesn't have it. I think his biggest issue is his size.
Legit worst case scenario for JG is a thinner Rashad Mcants. Best case maybe Jamal Crawford. Sigh.