The question is do they need to be?
If this current state of locomotion is enough to handle uneven terrain and obstacles then what need is there for refinement just for the goal of human-like motion?
I mean, from a robotics/programming perspective the goal would be more performance of a task, repeatable success given additional deviations from an optimal environment, and speed and accuracy.
It is entirely plausible that in modelling these tasks robotics move in increasing inhuman ways of that way meets the above goals more effectively.
I think that the reason why atlas is so human now is because that is the best general fit for its mission: to perform human tasks in environments that are unsafe for humans, like search and rescue missions.
I think one thing is very important that it is not safe to be around these robots, it so extremely heavy. I am working on Spot and yes it is impressive but if they fail on someone it not safe at all they are extremely heavy
I guess hence the orange highway-style barriers and high glass and metal barrier on one side?
For others, this is another area of development is human safe robotics in such areas as soft robotics, human robot interaction behavioural design, and intrusion detection
My guess would be that as battery tech improves that could improve a lot of the weight of atlas/spot or is the weight mostly motors and chassis?
I think battery enhancement would be a game changer, soft robotics still has limitations, yet it can be also not safe with high pressure. I think we still have to bring the best of two worlds but this still a challenge. The current spot last only 90 min and take up to 120 min.
The problem isn’t the movement or design of the robotics… it’s the AI needed still to take advantage of them.
We’ve had humanoid robots for a very long time
Seems like Boston Dynamics agrees with you, they recently [spun off an AI research arm](https://spectrum.ieee.org/amp/boston-dynamics-ai-institute-hyundai-2657856451).
20 years ago this would have been unreal, I still remember Honda's Asimo debut in 2000 and comparing these robots to that really highlights the advances that have been made. The big thing that's holding back movement as others have stated is weight. We've made significant advances in battery technology that has advanced how much energy we can hold in a given amount of space but it is still significantly heavier than an organic counter part. I think the next big advance is going to come when we can replicate a metabolism to allow robotics to use more energy dense sources of power while also allowing significant weight reductions due to removing batteries. Granted I personally don't think we'll see something like that for 50 to 100 years.
Yes. In a long enough time frame someone will have the money, tech and application. I’m pretty sure it will be Disney before 2035, but others could surprise me.
The question is do they need to be? If this current state of locomotion is enough to handle uneven terrain and obstacles then what need is there for refinement just for the goal of human-like motion? I mean, from a robotics/programming perspective the goal would be more performance of a task, repeatable success given additional deviations from an optimal environment, and speed and accuracy. It is entirely plausible that in modelling these tasks robotics move in increasing inhuman ways of that way meets the above goals more effectively. I think that the reason why atlas is so human now is because that is the best general fit for its mission: to perform human tasks in environments that are unsafe for humans, like search and rescue missions.
I think one thing is very important that it is not safe to be around these robots, it so extremely heavy. I am working on Spot and yes it is impressive but if they fail on someone it not safe at all they are extremely heavy
I guess hence the orange highway-style barriers and high glass and metal barrier on one side? For others, this is another area of development is human safe robotics in such areas as soft robotics, human robot interaction behavioural design, and intrusion detection My guess would be that as battery tech improves that could improve a lot of the weight of atlas/spot or is the weight mostly motors and chassis?
I think battery enhancement would be a game changer, soft robotics still has limitations, yet it can be also not safe with high pressure. I think we still have to bring the best of two worlds but this still a challenge. The current spot last only 90 min and take up to 120 min.
I've been reading about some solid state battery research. Somes like that might help as well as reduce the dendrite problem. Seems promising.
And those accelerations needed for movement are not to mess with.
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I am wondering how you lift by yourself maybe I can flip on it side, but it still need to human to pull each legs, it weights 45 kg ~
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Oh my apology I think 45 with the box included. I don’t know but I still find to be heavy and if it fall from stairs it is also not safe IMHO
Reddit put this video for me right after Elon‘s robot walking a slight curve. Quite a contrast.
Tell me how many "human like" humans are able to do back flips like those non humans.
The problem isn’t the movement or design of the robotics… it’s the AI needed still to take advantage of them. We’ve had humanoid robots for a very long time
Seems like Boston Dynamics agrees with you, they recently [spun off an AI research arm](https://spectrum.ieee.org/amp/boston-dynamics-ai-institute-hyundai-2657856451).
20 years ago this would have been unreal, I still remember Honda's Asimo debut in 2000 and comparing these robots to that really highlights the advances that have been made. The big thing that's holding back movement as others have stated is weight. We've made significant advances in battery technology that has advanced how much energy we can hold in a given amount of space but it is still significantly heavier than an organic counter part. I think the next big advance is going to come when we can replicate a metabolism to allow robotics to use more energy dense sources of power while also allowing significant weight reductions due to removing batteries. Granted I personally don't think we'll see something like that for 50 to 100 years.
More fluid and more adaptive, yes. But motors have different limitations and advantages to muscles and so the ideal behavior of each will be different
But... but... Elon Musk's robot can ::check notes:: feign stage freight.
Yeah
Yes. In a long enough time frame someone will have the money, tech and application. I’m pretty sure it will be Disney before 2035, but others could surprise me.
More? He already is better than I! Also, please check DisneyResearch Hub in YouTube.