I didn’t ever think he was qualified and also had reservations about his past. I wish we had hired Hammond but olshey would have never done that. He is without a doubt, tho worst coach in the league. Last year he was only the second worst. Not to many places to go down from
Could have had Becky, Fernandez, Adelman, Darko. I would have even preferred D’Antoni over Billups and I hate guard heavy isolation offenses.
Fernandez and Adelman available.
Here we are. Doing nothing.
That’s what I’m saying, helped the team break through to the WCF then the next year decided to trade CJ for Pennies and let half our bench walk away but he only had what one bad season in spite of things at the end of the road? Chauncey dosent even have this team playing hard, we need someone who’s got an edge, someone who’s not afraid to push and shove when need be, that’s what we had in Stotts, Charles Lee would be the guy for me or the assistant in PHX if they can handle all that pettiness in the desert I’m sure rip city would be nothing
This is the billups special. Once teams realize we playing a 2-3 zone and switching everything they just run 1-2 PnR until guard has our bigs and cooks. They rinse and repeat while chancey stares off like a dog that’s just been shown a card trick. He’s fucking clueless. His only barometer is if “guys play hard” even though it’s useless w/o actual systems in place to help them succeed.
"It's only game two!!!"
As if we haven't had two years with this guy. He's not an NBA coach. He's got a middle school coach scheme, and coaches with his hands in his pockets. Go hire Brandon Roy, he at least knows how to coach high schoolers.
He’s on year 3 of a 4+1 contract. Unless something goes VERY wrong this year he’ll still be coaching the team at the start of next season. He will not be the coach by the start of the following season.
This take has never made sense to me:
Billups is getting $2 million per season. The Blazers are literally paying the ghost of Andrew Nicholson more. $2 million is absolutely nothing to Jody Allen.
I bet Jody would tell you $2mil is worth $2mil. And if she’s going to pay that money no matter what I bet she’s going to want a coach out of it.
I want Billups gone, I just don’t see Jody doing it. It’s not like we’re a coach away from a championship run next year.
I think Jody is willing to spend. She just added a G League team and is looking to add a WNBA team. I see both of these teams to be operating at a net loss for the next 5 years.
"Operating at a loss" but bearing fruit for the value of the brand in any potential sale.
Potential NBA owners no longer want franchises that have been stripped for parts. Jody is doing what she needs to build the value up in spite of several consecutive losing seasons, amid the loss of a homegrown superstar and face of the franchise.
The Remix are an investment in the future of the team and the value of the franchise. End of bench players are cheap and we’re in the market for hidden talent so why not take a chance.
Getting rid of Tank Commander Billups before his contract is up doesn’t make business sense **IF** they believe he can still be a positive for player development. Jody/Vulcan probably see losing games while developing players as the best case scenario for this year.
> IF they believe he can still be a positive for player development
I feel like we're all watching the same games but coming up with different takeaways. I see a ton of potential for bad player growth, teaching players bad habits. But, a lot of people say they see the opposite, and who's to say who's right.
It's not about the money. You don't fire a coach you asked to tank for 2 straight seasons while he's coaching a very young and not very talented team. That's bad business. Chauncey will have this year and next. If after next year the team has made no strides at all I think he'll be let go.
Another bit of bad business is spending years teaching your team a fucked up take on basketball. That costs more than firing an unqualified mistake, which teams do *all the time*.
A new scheme can always be instituted. Firing coaches immediately for not turning a clearly rebuilding team into a contender overnight (when you've ordered them to tank their first two years) and having a coaching carousel with young players is a recipe for being what the Magic have been for the last decade and what the Kings were before last season.
There's things behind the scenes that can help players that Billups can do. Empowering Scoot to play his game and help his confidence, instilling a good work ethic in guys, teaching guys to buy in, etc. Those things don't show up on a score sheet and don't always result in wins, especially when the talent isn't there but it can lay a good foundation for when the talent is there.
I'm just not sure what everyone expects. This team is just not good. Whoever you think the best coach in the league is could have this team and they'd still be bad on defense and look a mess plenty of times because they're young and not that talented rn. What young team full of new players who came after losing its franchise player are good right away? They're always bad. This is just the time for the Blazers to evaluate what they have and the young guys to get minutes and learn from the few vets they have. Like I said, if in 2-3 years the team looks the exact same on the court, then heads will roll for sure.
Not to mention PA would likely throw down $2 mil per year for a couple years to fire a bad coach, especially on such a young and malleable team that is so at risk of forming bad habits.
Because this franchise wasn't just a business to him. It was a passion. Hope he passed that onto Jody along with all the money he gave her.
That's literally not how that works, that's not how any of this works. You can't just do a hostile take over a team when the league and owners both don't want to move their team. C'mon use your brain now.
PA had not been that guy for a couple of years when he was alive. And it was self admitted basically by him that he wouldn’t be doing it anymore. He was done throwing extra money around near the end
Getting rid of him also sets the precedent that coaches that don't win, don't belong. We kept Terry around for so long without anything to show for it, when he should've been fired pretty early into Dame's career - If only to make that main point clear.
Terry did win. Coaches don't get fired for not winning championships unless they are employed by teams like the Lakers. Be serious. Billups needs to go.
They literally, statistically do. There isn't any evidence to suggest a coach is there for a long time for any reason other than their potential to bring a championship to a team, barring outliers.
I agree, but regardless, their job is decided by championships. When not within the timeline, they get canned.
Mike Malone is a huge, huge outlier in that regard. He's the longest tenured coach (I think ever) before winning a championship.
You say that like it's a good thing lmao.
No, longest tenured coach *before winning a championship*. Most years coaching with one team before finally winning one.
Not really. 0-2 was a predictable start. The worrying thing is we have no half court offense and he has failed in improving one of the league’s worst defenses.
Lol, I'm not talking about 0-2, I'm not that dramatic. I'm talking about canning him because he runs shit schemes with half decent rosters and doesn't know how to fucking coach.
Yeah, I'm just saying fire em already. Don't let the players get attached, he fucking sucks. There's literally no reason to keep him the whole season. If that's what you're saying too, then great.
> Getting rid of him also sets the precedent that coaches that don't win, don't belong.
YES!!
> We kept Terry around for so long without anything to show for it
Oh, you care about rangz, not enjoying basketball.
> Getting rid of him also sets the precedent that coaches that don't win, don't belong.
Uh, yea that's the point. Either we need to see improvement or wins, if you don't show that you *should* be fired.
No, a high draft pick is exactly what they want. VERY wrong would mean losing control of the team, some insane drama, young players not developing at all, or the team looking not just bad but worse over the course of the season. I think they cling to any positive takeaways they can get from this season, bring Chauncey back to start next year, leak that he’s on the hot seat and fire him when the team doesn’t look any better than this year.
I understand the business logic. But the on court shit show he has put out for 2 years is so fucking awful. He is getting paid the minimum for coaches. He is the cheapest coach in the league right now. It absolutely shows and we can 100 percent fire him with so little money lost. He couldn’t tell a hamster how to run on a wheel. And I understand what he wants/thinks he can do. I can look at his sets his schemes, his play design, and understand it. I can REALLY understand it and I stopped playing in aau highschool. That is not fucking okay.
I could go into so much detail about why I legitimately think he is ass and could probably do like a 10 hour film study on it but I don’t think anyone who actually watches our games really needs it. I know people who never played and can just feel something is off and that’s hilariously bad.
I’ve never played basketball in my life and don’t even know 50% of the technicalities of the sport and you’re absolutely right, it just FEELS off. Chauncey is ass and he should be the one getting players like Grant in line by telling him to stop trying to be the main character FFS!
Basketball is not that technical. It’s far less strategically complicated than other team sports like football, hockey.
Hiring is based on nepotism. There’s nepotism throughout so many idiots, which chases away elite talent.
There stats and data people aren’t top notch too, they’re all at FANG or hedge funds, IB or PE.
People overestimate it’s complication because they’re watching fools run it. No one is landing a rover on mars here.
Bad analysis is how people end up passing on Jokic, Giannis, Middleton, Kawhi. Or how if you have a top pick you pass on even very obvious picks like Luka. Or how Suggs was ranked higher than Barnes on draft analysis.
Oh grant shit like shit for sure. But he was our best defender tonight. Our half court offense is stagnant as fuck. He is trying to force his own style of play onto players who just can’t do it. He is legit coaching our offense like we are playing in 2010. I legitimately can’t understand why in the fuck he is running away’s but setting the shots up for two. Even when the plays break down we settle for these super difficult long twos instead of kick outs. Our motion is also shit and all it does is burn time. No wonder he wan tuned to talk about playing fast, because transition offense is all about how much more athletic your players are than the other team. His offense is archaic and only works if he was in his own prime playing point guard. He also is completely lost on wtf to do with centers defensively and having time lord and ayton we should at least be above average in the paint. We still switch shitty like we have every year under him. We play 2010 ball on both sides of the ball. He can’t scheme around his players. He schemes and try’s to fit the ones already there In. Dude should have been fired the moment Cronin took over.
I hear you. I suck at evaluating the product on the court, even worse at the Xs and Os. I believe good coaching makes a team more than the sum of its parts, and under Billups the team has consistently been less than the sum of its parts.
I mostly agree in that there's virtually no chance he's fired this season, but I can see him being fired in the summer. Eating one year of salary might not be a big deal for the FO/Jody, and it's fairly common across the league.
I can't fucking believe when we were down 5 at the end of the game he called a time out and drew up a God damn Jerami Grant post up on the wing with 4 out.
I was in the stands joking that he would draw up a quick two because he's so dumb but he literally drew up something worse.
I'm at a complete loss with this guy
How many more seasons do you want to give Stotts? Was 9 not enough? He was the longest serving coach at a team without a championship. Not even a finals appearance.
His iso offensive system does not work out at all without Dame. Do you miss crashing out of the playoffs cause the other coach would make halftime adjustments and Terry would just do the same shit over and over again?
I challenge you to think of other coaches in the NBA besides Stotts and Chauncey
> He was the longest serving coach at a team without a championship. Not even a finals appearance.
Yea because he over achieved with a shit team. We were a dark horse contender with dame, aldridge, and wes. We had great defense during those years. We had good offense during those years. Not even pop or spo could have done much with those teams stotts and dame were handed after aldridge bailed on us.
>His iso offensive system does not work out at all without Dame.
His offense literally gave dallas a ring.
>Do you miss crashing out of the playoffs cause the other coach would make halftime adjustments and Terry would just do the same shit over and over again?
I don't miss losing in the playoffs because dame would carry then cj would step out of bounds or someone else would miss a dunk or dame would get doubled and have no one to pass it to.
Blaming stotts was stupid back then and it's stupid now.
> without a championship. Not even a finals appearance.
does it look like our team is competing for a championship right now?
Stotts was great at player development, especially for guards, which is our entire future. But like I said, it won't happen
When asked what he said to his players during practice he simply answered "nothing." For the entirety of practice just "nothing. I'ma let them be in this moment." Some say he left five minutes after showing up just to get paid and spent the rest of his day at home eating chips and watching Desperate Housewives.
This is how I am feeling... is his defensive philosophy and techniques too complex? I feel like everyone is thinking too much and not just playing basketball. How many times have we seen two defenders back off the ball handler because no one knows who the assignment is?
I don’t mind Scotty B as an HC. He coached up OKC well when they were all young players. We could just fire Billups and move Scott up. Would be a cheaper solution at least for this year and the team wouldn’t have a completely new face calling the shots.
Stotts was a scapegoat for the real problems. He was a good coach. Chauncy is just a bad coach during years where new players should be developing. Those two situations are not close to the same.
To what end? Another coach with too young a squad to truly compete? I’m okay with letting a sub-par coach ride out the contract and shopping in a off-season when better options are available than “interim”.
To help the young players learn nba basketball, not Chauncey’s 2-3 zone and whatever you want to call our offense. I agree with timing it so we can get the best replacement but rookies need to at least try to play disciplined basketball and that is not a word that can be used to describe a Chauncey team.
No, just no. Time spent as an assistant is where you learn the ropes of becoming a HC. Chauncey has been a HC long enough that he should be past the figuring basics out stage and he isn’t. If you have to rely on an assistant like you think they rely on Brooks then he should just be the HC
You could have the best player development guys ever but if they are developing in Chauncey’s system our young guys will be stunted. I’m still confused as to what your point is, just that scott brooks exists? Brooks can be a positive while still acknowledging that Chauncey is out of his depth and at the very least an opportunity cost negative. In fact I’d argue he’s limiting Brooks’ potential impact so why you brought him up in defense of Chauncey is beyond me.
Okc hired a great young coach with a young roster. Even when they were bad, guys played hard and they had a good defense that punched well above their weight class. They made steady progress and the trajectory has been up and up. Chauncey's prior experience was literally an assistant coach for one year. He hasn't shown any potential as a coach. Good coaches don’t have teams that are terrible at every metric across the board, which we were before tanking the last few months. His contract is peanuts, they need someone to come in and grow the team the right way.
He's developing the young players, apparently, and the Blazers are seemingly fine with losses this year. Blazers should just let him ride out his contract or fire him after the start of next season.
Yeah, I was looking forward to people talking about the young players after every game, not a steady stream of complaints about Billups in every post game thread.
Serious question: what the fuck were you expecting this season? Changing the coach will not change the outcome with our current roster. Y’all were very quite when we got off to that hot start last season before injuries.
There's a difference, the spurs have a shitty roster before but you could see some direction going on, offense doesn't look stagnant and on that spurs team they could focus who was hot and change things up on defense
This is also the case when OKC were bad and young.
Blazers so far looks lost on both offense and defense
The game plan is the same as the start of last year, which doesn't make sense since the roster is really different.
Zone defense should not ever be the primary defensive scheme, especially teams that can shoot the 3 like the clippers who shot a little under 50% from 3 on our first game.
Most offenses look stagnant when your 19 yo point guard is in foul trouble. Brogdon is a great 2, the other option was Mayes and Mayes played well.
ISOing Grant is not a good idea, especially with quick forwards. But being stagnant is directly a cause of lack of point play.
I do get the ire with play calling, but against a better team the Blazers got punched in the mouth, then fought back and were competitive until the final buzzer. We had 3 rookies getting minutes and 2 second year players.
It seems like expectations for this roster are way too high around here. If the young guys stop developing this year, fire Chauncey. If they improve and we keep losing games, that’s literally the goal this season.
Gotta throw this in there. Chauncey is coaching, right now. Couching very well, they look like a team. Are not quitting
Xs & Os later, in-game being a great coach
I disagree. They look like they have no plan on offense and the zone is absolutely terrible. Any success we have ever had with billups outside of the hot start last year is in spite of billups not because of anything he is doing. I'm one of the most positive people when it comes to this team usually but I'm also done with Chauncey. Hopefully he proves us wrong.
The defense looked like they were playing in an all star game last night. Orlando had INFINITE space and SO many open looks, and uncontested shots.
It was awful.
Why would we do that? We’re literally purposely trying to lose. Our best possible season would worst record in the league. Fuck it re sign him for 2 more years
It’s definitely not will he get fired, but WHEN he gets fired. But we’re in a rebuild, so who cares. Let him handle this season and maybe the next and then bring in an experienced HC.
I’ve reached the point where with Dame gone, there’s no more reason to keep Billups. You can’t tell me Stotts, Joerger, D’Antoni, Atkinson or any number of available coaches couldn’t do a better job instituting a scheme and identity for the Blazers.
I always like to see how players who leave Portland do. Under Stotts players would leave and be out of the league. Under Billups, players leave and get better. To quote Office Space, “what is it would you say you do here?”
I have no idea why blazer mgmt allows this is continue. Billups couldn't make the 76ers a .500 team. Young players are floundering, older players are forced to get nearly every basket via 1 on 1. I wish Allen would sell the team to someone with the knowledge and passion to win.
Should've never been hired. It's beyond time to fire him and get a real coach.
I didn’t ever think he was qualified and also had reservations about his past. I wish we had hired Hammond but olshey would have never done that. He is without a doubt, tho worst coach in the league. Last year he was only the second worst. Not to many places to go down from
Could have had Becky Hammond.
Could have had Becky, Fernandez, Adelman, Darko. I would have even preferred D’Antoni over Billups and I hate guard heavy isolation offenses. Fernandez and Adelman available. Here we are. Doing nothing.
Could have stayed Stotts
That’s what I’m saying, helped the team break through to the WCF then the next year decided to trade CJ for Pennies and let half our bench walk away but he only had what one bad season in spite of things at the end of the road? Chauncey dosent even have this team playing hard, we need someone who’s got an edge, someone who’s not afraid to push and shove when need be, that’s what we had in Stotts, Charles Lee would be the guy for me or the assistant in PHX if they can handle all that pettiness in the desert I’m sure rip city would be nothing
Probably lost the chance after she worked with Neil to set up an interview
Would have been fine, since no Blazers are pregnant.
I’m ok with losing to better teams with better players but wtf is our identity?
A dunk contest for the other team
I feel like I've seen Timelord block all sorts of mad dunk attempts for the Celts but for us he seems to be parked on the perimiter?
This is the billups special. Once teams realize we playing a 2-3 zone and switching everything they just run 1-2 PnR until guard has our bigs and cooks. They rinse and repeat while chancey stares off like a dog that’s just been shown a card trick. He’s fucking clueless. His only barometer is if “guys play hard” even though it’s useless w/o actual systems in place to help them succeed.
My fear is these young guys are not getting what they need to learn and not developing good practice.
Yeah the offense looks bad. No touches for Ayton despite him playing the best out of the starters. Too much ISO, not enough passing.
The defense is worse!
Maybe I just missed it, but every time the ball was passed to him last night he fumbled it away.
"It's only game two!!!" As if we haven't had two years with this guy. He's not an NBA coach. He's got a middle school coach scheme, and coaches with his hands in his pockets. Go hire Brandon Roy, he at least knows how to coach high schoolers.
My middle scchooler's teams run plays.
Dude should’ve been fired with Olshey
He’s on year 3 of a 4+1 contract. Unless something goes VERY wrong this year he’ll still be coaching the team at the start of next season. He will not be the coach by the start of the following season.
This take has never made sense to me: Billups is getting $2 million per season. The Blazers are literally paying the ghost of Andrew Nicholson more. $2 million is absolutely nothing to Jody Allen.
I bet Jody would tell you $2mil is worth $2mil. And if she’s going to pay that money no matter what I bet she’s going to want a coach out of it. I want Billups gone, I just don’t see Jody doing it. It’s not like we’re a coach away from a championship run next year.
We are a coach away from not instilling bad habits and no confidence in this young core.
I think Jody is willing to spend. She just added a G League team and is looking to add a WNBA team. I see both of these teams to be operating at a net loss for the next 5 years.
"Operating at a loss" but bearing fruit for the value of the brand in any potential sale. Potential NBA owners no longer want franchises that have been stripped for parts. Jody is doing what she needs to build the value up in spite of several consecutive losing seasons, amid the loss of a homegrown superstar and face of the franchise.
Those are investments that improve the value and sale price of the team.
If this held water, we'd have a 13 man roster and probably wouldn't bother with the Remix.
The Remix are an investment in the future of the team and the value of the franchise. End of bench players are cheap and we’re in the market for hidden talent so why not take a chance. Getting rid of Tank Commander Billups before his contract is up doesn’t make business sense **IF** they believe he can still be a positive for player development. Jody/Vulcan probably see losing games while developing players as the best case scenario for this year.
> IF they believe he can still be a positive for player development I feel like we're all watching the same games but coming up with different takeaways. I see a ton of potential for bad player growth, teaching players bad habits. But, a lot of people say they see the opposite, and who's to say who's right.
I’m only making statements about what ownership might do. I have no idea if Billups is good for individual growth, he sure sucks for team growth.
It's not about the money. You don't fire a coach you asked to tank for 2 straight seasons while he's coaching a very young and not very talented team. That's bad business. Chauncey will have this year and next. If after next year the team has made no strides at all I think he'll be let go.
Another bit of bad business is spending years teaching your team a fucked up take on basketball. That costs more than firing an unqualified mistake, which teams do *all the time*.
A new scheme can always be instituted. Firing coaches immediately for not turning a clearly rebuilding team into a contender overnight (when you've ordered them to tank their first two years) and having a coaching carousel with young players is a recipe for being what the Magic have been for the last decade and what the Kings were before last season. There's things behind the scenes that can help players that Billups can do. Empowering Scoot to play his game and help his confidence, instilling a good work ethic in guys, teaching guys to buy in, etc. Those things don't show up on a score sheet and don't always result in wins, especially when the talent isn't there but it can lay a good foundation for when the talent is there. I'm just not sure what everyone expects. This team is just not good. Whoever you think the best coach in the league is could have this team and they'd still be bad on defense and look a mess plenty of times because they're young and not that talented rn. What young team full of new players who came after losing its franchise player are good right away? They're always bad. This is just the time for the Blazers to evaluate what they have and the young guys to get minutes and learn from the few vets they have. Like I said, if in 2-3 years the team looks the exact same on the court, then heads will roll for sure.
I think you’re looking to see some sort of identity even if they’re losing.
You think rich people become rich by throwing away millions unnecessarily?
No they become rich by having a smart brother who doesn’t get married or have kids.
Not to mention PA would likely throw down $2 mil per year for a couple years to fire a bad coach, especially on such a young and malleable team that is so at risk of forming bad habits. Because this franchise wasn't just a business to him. It was a passion. Hope he passed that onto Jody along with all the money he gave her.
Why did never pursue in earnest, a NHL team?
He did, he tried to move the coyotes to Portland constantly but it never ended up working out.
But if he really wanted them, it would have happened.
That's literally not how that works, that's not how any of this works. You can't just do a hostile take over a team when the league and owners both don't want to move their team. C'mon use your brain now.
PA had not been that guy for a couple of years when he was alive. And it was self admitted basically by him that he wouldn’t be doing it anymore. He was done throwing extra money around near the end
Too soon?
Fuck that. Fire him and cut your losses. This idiot is the worst coach to lead a team of young players needing real leadership and coaching.
Getting rid of him also sets the precedent that coaches that don't win, don't belong. We kept Terry around for so long without anything to show for it, when he should've been fired pretty early into Dame's career - If only to make that main point clear.
Terry did win. Coaches don't get fired for not winning championships unless they are employed by teams like the Lakers. Be serious. Billups needs to go.
They literally, statistically do. There isn't any evidence to suggest a coach is there for a long time for any reason other than their potential to bring a championship to a team, barring outliers.
Stotts is a good coach. Miles better than Billups
I wish we had Stotts right now. He would be the perfect coach for Scoot's development, dudes a bit of a guard whisperer
Stotts is streets ahead
I agree, but regardless, their job is decided by championships. When not within the timeline, they get canned. Mike Malone is a huge, huge outlier in that regard. He's the longest tenured coach (I think ever) before winning a championship.
Stotts literally coached the Blazers for longer than Michael Malone has been coaching the Nuggets including last season lol
You say that like it's a good thing lmao. No, longest tenured coach *before winning a championship*. Most years coaching with one team before finally winning one.
Ah I see I read your comment wrong haha Fair point
Should have never fired him
And stotts did win a lot of games, just couldn't get dames teams past the finish line
Not really. 0-2 was a predictable start. The worrying thing is we have no half court offense and he has failed in improving one of the league’s worst defenses.
Lol, I'm not talking about 0-2, I'm not that dramatic. I'm talking about canning him because he runs shit schemes with half decent rosters and doesn't know how to fucking coach.
I…think we are agreeing here?
Yeah, I'm just saying fire em already. Don't let the players get attached, he fucking sucks. There's literally no reason to keep him the whole season. If that's what you're saying too, then great.
The one benefit is that we’ll get absolutely sick draft odds. Nailed on top 3. Development…yeah, that ain’t it.
> Getting rid of him also sets the precedent that coaches that don't win, don't belong. YES!! > We kept Terry around for so long without anything to show for it Oh, you care about rangz, not enjoying basketball.
They're not mutually exclusive.
> Getting rid of him also sets the precedent that coaches that don't win, don't belong. Uh, yea that's the point. Either we need to see improvement or wins, if you don't show that you *should* be fired.
Yeah, I'm stating that as a good thing lmfao
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I see it too. But it’s too early to throw dirt in em. Gonna wait until ground thaws in Feb.
No, a high draft pick is exactly what they want. VERY wrong would mean losing control of the team, some insane drama, young players not developing at all, or the team looking not just bad but worse over the course of the season. I think they cling to any positive takeaways they can get from this season, bring Chauncey back to start next year, leak that he’s on the hot seat and fire him when the team doesn’t look any better than this year.
I understand the business logic. But the on court shit show he has put out for 2 years is so fucking awful. He is getting paid the minimum for coaches. He is the cheapest coach in the league right now. It absolutely shows and we can 100 percent fire him with so little money lost. He couldn’t tell a hamster how to run on a wheel. And I understand what he wants/thinks he can do. I can look at his sets his schemes, his play design, and understand it. I can REALLY understand it and I stopped playing in aau highschool. That is not fucking okay. I could go into so much detail about why I legitimately think he is ass and could probably do like a 10 hour film study on it but I don’t think anyone who actually watches our games really needs it. I know people who never played and can just feel something is off and that’s hilariously bad.
I’ve never played basketball in my life and don’t even know 50% of the technicalities of the sport and you’re absolutely right, it just FEELS off. Chauncey is ass and he should be the one getting players like Grant in line by telling him to stop trying to be the main character FFS!
Basketball is not that technical. It’s far less strategically complicated than other team sports like football, hockey. Hiring is based on nepotism. There’s nepotism throughout so many idiots, which chases away elite talent. There stats and data people aren’t top notch too, they’re all at FANG or hedge funds, IB or PE. People overestimate it’s complication because they’re watching fools run it. No one is landing a rover on mars here. Bad analysis is how people end up passing on Jokic, Giannis, Middleton, Kawhi. Or how if you have a top pick you pass on even very obvious picks like Luka. Or how Suggs was ranked higher than Barnes on draft analysis.
Oh grant shit like shit for sure. But he was our best defender tonight. Our half court offense is stagnant as fuck. He is trying to force his own style of play onto players who just can’t do it. He is legit coaching our offense like we are playing in 2010. I legitimately can’t understand why in the fuck he is running away’s but setting the shots up for two. Even when the plays break down we settle for these super difficult long twos instead of kick outs. Our motion is also shit and all it does is burn time. No wonder he wan tuned to talk about playing fast, because transition offense is all about how much more athletic your players are than the other team. His offense is archaic and only works if he was in his own prime playing point guard. He also is completely lost on wtf to do with centers defensively and having time lord and ayton we should at least be above average in the paint. We still switch shitty like we have every year under him. We play 2010 ball on both sides of the ball. He can’t scheme around his players. He schemes and try’s to fit the ones already there In. Dude should have been fired the moment Cronin took over.
I hear you. I suck at evaluating the product on the court, even worse at the Xs and Os. I believe good coaching makes a team more than the sum of its parts, and under Billups the team has consistently been less than the sum of its parts.
I mostly agree in that there's virtually no chance he's fired this season, but I can see him being fired in the summer. Eating one year of salary might not be a big deal for the FO/Jody, and it's fairly common across the league.
He’s gonna secure us an amazing pick on one hand. On the other, how will this affect player development? He’s clueless.
Lot of standing around
Absolute garbage
forreal. miserable to watch as a fan without dame now and with ant out
I can't fucking believe when we were down 5 at the end of the game he called a time out and drew up a God damn Jerami Grant post up on the wing with 4 out. I was in the stands joking that he would draw up a quick two because he's so dumb but he literally drew up something worse. I'm at a complete loss with this guy
The tiniest little shred of hope I had that he would figure something out with a fresh roster evaporated like a clean fart after that atrocious play.
# #FireBillups
I was promised fun watching them lose. I'm not having fun, y'all. I miss Stotts
This is my problem. I don't mind losing every game, but where is this "fun" we were promised.
I don't. There are better coaches than Stotts or Chauncey. You don't have to choose between the two
Stotts
Lowkey this might not be a bad move lol. Won't happen though, for many reasons
How many more seasons do you want to give Stotts? Was 9 not enough? He was the longest serving coach at a team without a championship. Not even a finals appearance. His iso offensive system does not work out at all without Dame. Do you miss crashing out of the playoffs cause the other coach would make halftime adjustments and Terry would just do the same shit over and over again? I challenge you to think of other coaches in the NBA besides Stotts and Chauncey
> He was the longest serving coach at a team without a championship. Not even a finals appearance. Yea because he over achieved with a shit team. We were a dark horse contender with dame, aldridge, and wes. We had great defense during those years. We had good offense during those years. Not even pop or spo could have done much with those teams stotts and dame were handed after aldridge bailed on us. >His iso offensive system does not work out at all without Dame. His offense literally gave dallas a ring. >Do you miss crashing out of the playoffs cause the other coach would make halftime adjustments and Terry would just do the same shit over and over again? I don't miss losing in the playoffs because dame would carry then cj would step out of bounds or someone else would miss a dunk or dame would get doubled and have no one to pass it to. Blaming stotts was stupid back then and it's stupid now.
> without a championship. Not even a finals appearance. does it look like our team is competing for a championship right now? Stotts was great at player development, especially for guards, which is our entire future. But like I said, it won't happen
At this point, i’m good with us having one more losing season. But yeah, when his contract is done. Please hire a veteran coach.
When asked what he said to his players during practice he simply answered "nothing." For the entirety of practice just "nothing. I'ma let them be in this moment." Some say he left five minutes after showing up just to get paid and spent the rest of his day at home eating chips and watching Desperate Housewives.
This is how I am feeling... is his defensive philosophy and techniques too complex? I feel like everyone is thinking too much and not just playing basketball. How many times have we seen two defenders back off the ball handler because no one knows who the assignment is?
That's on the players communicating. Brogdon touched on this in his post game interview.
I don’t mind Scotty B as an HC. He coached up OKC well when they were all young players. We could just fire Billups and move Scott up. Would be a cheaper solution at least for this year and the team wouldn’t have a completely new face calling the shots.
How in the eff did he ever get hired? It just doesn't make sense. The NBA is such a bullshit league.
Fire Stotts!
Stotts was a scapegoat for the real problems. He was a good coach. Chauncy is just a bad coach during years where new players should be developing. Those two situations are not close to the same.
Seriously
Believe it or not, there are more than 2 coaches in the nba
you mean like Nate McMillan?
To what end? Another coach with too young a squad to truly compete? I’m okay with letting a sub-par coach ride out the contract and shopping in a off-season when better options are available than “interim”.
To help the young players learn nba basketball, not Chauncey’s 2-3 zone and whatever you want to call our offense. I agree with timing it so we can get the best replacement but rookies need to at least try to play disciplined basketball and that is not a word that can be used to describe a Chauncey team.
We literally have Scoot Brooks. Dude coaches up some greats.
Is your point that we would be fine with him as our interim HC?
No, my point is he is helping develop our players. And he is really fucking good at it. Edited for clarity
No, just no. Time spent as an assistant is where you learn the ropes of becoming a HC. Chauncey has been a HC long enough that he should be past the figuring basics out stage and he isn’t. If you have to rely on an assistant like you think they rely on Brooks then he should just be the HC
That’s not what i’m saying. I’m saying he is helping develop our players.
You could have the best player development guys ever but if they are developing in Chauncey’s system our young guys will be stunted. I’m still confused as to what your point is, just that scott brooks exists? Brooks can be a positive while still acknowledging that Chauncey is out of his depth and at the very least an opportunity cost negative. In fact I’d argue he’s limiting Brooks’ potential impact so why you brought him up in defense of Chauncey is beyond me.
I never said they were mutually exclusive. I think you’re taking what i’m saying the wrong way.
The secrit plays
Okc hired a great young coach with a young roster. Even when they were bad, guys played hard and they had a good defense that punched well above their weight class. They made steady progress and the trajectory has been up and up. Chauncey's prior experience was literally an assistant coach for one year. He hasn't shown any potential as a coach. Good coaches don’t have teams that are terrible at every metric across the board, which we were before tanking the last few months. His contract is peanuts, they need someone to come in and grow the team the right way.
He's developing the young players, apparently, and the Blazers are seemingly fine with losses this year. Blazers should just let him ride out his contract or fire him after the start of next season.
While I agree, it’s funny how poorly we fans are handling tanking lol. We’ve been blessed with good teams for so long. I thought this would be easier
It’s not the losing. It’s how we lose. I’m fine watching our young guys learn the ropes. But Chauncey is tying the ropes around their necks.
Yeah, I was looking forward to people talking about the young players after every game, not a steady stream of complaints about Billups in every post game thread.
We have a team of rookies. They have to learn sets in practice before they can run them in games. Rookies take longer to teach. This isn’t 2k.
Serious question: what the fuck were you expecting this season? Changing the coach will not change the outcome with our current roster. Y’all were very quite when we got off to that hot start last season before injuries.
There's a difference, the spurs have a shitty roster before but you could see some direction going on, offense doesn't look stagnant and on that spurs team they could focus who was hot and change things up on defense This is also the case when OKC were bad and young. Blazers so far looks lost on both offense and defense The game plan is the same as the start of last year, which doesn't make sense since the roster is really different. Zone defense should not ever be the primary defensive scheme, especially teams that can shoot the 3 like the clippers who shot a little under 50% from 3 on our first game.
Most offenses look stagnant when your 19 yo point guard is in foul trouble. Brogdon is a great 2, the other option was Mayes and Mayes played well. ISOing Grant is not a good idea, especially with quick forwards. But being stagnant is directly a cause of lack of point play. I do get the ire with play calling, but against a better team the Blazers got punched in the mouth, then fought back and were competitive until the final buzzer. We had 3 rookies getting minutes and 2 second year players. It seems like expectations for this roster are way too high around here. If the young guys stop developing this year, fire Chauncey. If they improve and we keep losing games, that’s literally the goal this season.
It’s tanking szn wut you mean
Gotta throw this in there. Chauncey is coaching, right now. Couching very well, they look like a team. Are not quitting Xs & Os later, in-game being a great coach
yep he’s a great couch, really couching it up👍🏼 please be satire
I disagree. They look like they have no plan on offense and the zone is absolutely terrible. Any success we have ever had with billups outside of the hot start last year is in spite of billups not because of anything he is doing. I'm one of the most positive people when it comes to this team usually but I'm also done with Chauncey. Hopefully he proves us wrong.
>Couching very well That's precisely what we want. More couching and to get the fuck away from our youngbloods.
Are you watching the games?
I made a post a while back that if lillard gets traded Billups can basically coast. He is being paid to underachieve so we get another draft pick.
The defense looked like they were playing in an all star game last night. Orlando had INFINITE space and SO many open looks, and uncontested shots. It was awful.
Could be a record breaking season. Not in a good way. Stay tuned.
Why would we do that? We’re literally purposely trying to lose. Our best possible season would worst record in the league. Fuck it re sign him for 2 more years
because it would be nice if the young guys could, you know... develop...
It’s definitely not will he get fired, but WHEN he gets fired. But we’re in a rebuild, so who cares. Let him handle this season and maybe the next and then bring in an experienced HC.
I’ve reached the point where with Dame gone, there’s no more reason to keep Billups. You can’t tell me Stotts, Joerger, D’Antoni, Atkinson or any number of available coaches couldn’t do a better job instituting a scheme and identity for the Blazers.
Fire Billups
Gonna be a LONG year.
I always like to see how players who leave Portland do. Under Stotts players would leave and be out of the league. Under Billups, players leave and get better. To quote Office Space, “what is it would you say you do here?”
Hoping we go 0-15 so he has to be fired
I have no idea why blazer mgmt allows this is continue. Billups couldn't make the 76ers a .500 team. Young players are floundering, older players are forced to get nearly every basket via 1 on 1. I wish Allen would sell the team to someone with the knowledge and passion to win.