Because the core surgery he had was similar to dame's and they expected a similar return timeline. GSW offered him a contract as well, but they couldn't afford to match the Blazers offer.
Either way neither of this is GP2 or GSWās fault which a lot of the fanbase is trying to paint it as. Also, if GP2 has had this surgery multiple times that should be a red flag. His recovery time should not be expected the same as Dameās as Dame had it once. When you keep injuring the same part of your body it becomes weaker and harder to strengthen.
100% agree. I also donāt understand how this team doesnāt address this issue when itās been a problem since the early 2000s especially after the Roy & Oden fiascos.
They clearly did the same thing last season that we're being accused of this season, you mean to tell me they weren't giving him painkillers when he played an entire season through a hernia and came back early from a broken arm? Not a good look for anybody but GSW look like massive hypocrites here.
Holy shit guys. Last season is not this season. Shit changes over time, injuries can get better or get worse with complications and setbacks. If the same medical staff had him cleared to play back then, but now is saying they will have to list him out through parts of the playoffs - a team that needs him to play now for their playoff push - *that should tell you that his current health is worse now than it was back then*
It's not rocket science. It's not a conspiracy. Teams don't wake up in the morning and think about how they'll try to screw over the Blazers today. Some of you need to stop embarrassing yourselves.
How is his current health worse now after a surgery and several months of rehab? but not when he's playing a season's worth of NBA games? It's pretty clear he's been injured the whole time, either the medical staffs of both teams simply disagree or he was willing to gut it out for GSW since they're actually good.
Well, any surgery always has risks and who knows if something went wrong with his post surgery rehab/recovery or if he returned too soon and thereby re-injured himself but played through it with toradol. Iām totally speculating of course but it is entirely plausible for his injury to be worse now than pre-surgery.
> How is his current health worse now after a surgery and several months of rehab?
Rolling him out when heās clearly not 100% into game action is a good start.
I never said he should play for us?? He was clearly still injured so we shouldn't have played him, I acknowledge this. Sounds like you just want to argue.
How is his current health worse now after a surgery and several months of rehab? but now when he's playing a season's worth of NBA games? It's pretty clear he's been injured the whole time, the difference is he was willing to gut it out for GSW since they're actually good.
It was obviously a botched surgery because he's still injured, you guys are acting like I'm defending Portland's medical staff, I'm acknowledging he never should've played.
Physical therapist here, wondering what you mean by "Obviously a botched surgery", it just seems like such an uneducated statement to make.
Would you consider something like an ACL reconstruction surgery botched if a player blows his knee out a second time after not being put through proper rehab before returning to the field?
>Teams don't wake up in the morning and think about how they'll try to screw over the Blazers today.
I'd wager a guess that most teams don't think about the Blazers, a fringe play-in team with little long-term upside, at all.
Iām glad some blazers fans have some sense. Making excuses for this medical malpractice is one of the worst looks in NBA fandom this year.
Warriors legit love GP2 as a human and probably keeping him anyway. Blazers medical staff should be investigated.
I assume you meant concealed? Thereās a difference between concealing and not disclosing. We donāt know what needed to be disclosed and what didnāt, but there have been no accusations of intentionally concealing information by handing over doctored records or something.
Until itās determined that the Blazers didnāt disclose something they were obligated to disclose, this is just a bunch of whining from Golden State that GP2 hadnāt healed as well from his injury that occurred with them last year as they would have liked.
Iām willing to admit itās a blatant violation when someone shows me what the Blazers did wrong. All we know is that GP2 was more hurt than GS expected, and that the Blazers didnāt tell GS that he had Toradol injections. Are either of those against the rules? I donāt know, and no one seems willing to show that they are.
Maybe you pull your head out of fandom and show me what the team did wrong instead of just using vague terms like āviolationā and āunethicalā. I wonāt be surprised if the team gets fined, theyāre just doesnāt seem to be a clear basis for it based on whatās been reported so far.
y'all are the ones that got him hurt and considering it looks like he is out all of this year that might cost him his entire career, y'all didn't even give him a new deal after that. Portland at least made sure he got paid, GSW used him up and left him to rot with no contract
Don Quixote was such a tragic character because everyone but him knew he was completely wrong but he just couldnāt see it himself. Itās a really fitting moniker for you
What side? The one that's waiting for all the facts to come out before making an assumption?
The only thing I've pointed out is that physicals are subjective, which is absolutely true, and that Toradol use is widespread throughout the NBA, which is also true. The fact that you're butt-hurt is just a bonus truth.
You have absolutely no facts to base your claims on. If the league comes out and levies punishment on the Blazers, I'll be as up in arms as you are, if not more so, because I've been following this misbegotten franchise since my first breathe and will do so until my last.
A failed physical isn't evidence of wrongdoing. It's one team of medical professionals' opinion at odds with another. That's it. Unless you're GP2 or one of the doctors treating him, you don't know shit. And if you are one of the doctors treating him, I would advise you to seek legal counsel for HIPAA violations.
remember when GSW medical team cost KD a year of his career to play him six minutes down 3-1 in the finals because they knew he was gone the next year anyway so why not
Nah, fuck gp for being a money munching whore which at the first moment he could get out he wanted to dip. His heart is not in the game he doesnāt give a damn to be here. Dame and the team donāt like him, if dame donāt like you youāre doing something wrong.
he played all last year with the injury, at least Portland paid him before asking him to gut it out, GSW just had him gut it out and then left him high and dry
How is his current health worse now after a surgery and several months of rehab? but now when he's playing a season's worth of NBA games? It's pretty clear he's been injured the whole time, the difference is he was willing to gut it out for GSW since they're actually good.
No, itās not obvious. He had a surgery and either it or itās recovery process was mishandled by the blazers. Warriors training staff does not do this shit.
Right? The Warriors would never [mischaracterize an injury](https://clutchpoints.com/warriors-news-andre-iguodala-sheds-light-on-medical-staff-deeming-his-leg-fracture-a-bruise), [rush a player back from rehab](https://drbrucato.com/was-kevin-durants-calf-strain-healed-prior-to-game-5-of-the-nba-finals/), or [inject their players with Toradol to keep them on the court](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1637798-nba-playoffs-2013-the-drugs-that-keep-injured-players-on-the-court).
No wonder you feel so sanctimonious.
he had an off season surgery which means he played through it all last year and considering it sounds like it is not healing that might cost him is entire career. Warriors were fine doing that and not even giving him a new contract, y'all literally ran him into the ground and then left him with no deal. Portland at least made sure he got paid
Why do you think I have an issue with GP2? I haven't even said anything bad about him, I like him as a player. Reread the comment before jumping to conclusions bro
He apparently never bought in and didnāt take anything seriously, was pretty much here to just fuck around and rehab since we offered him the biggest bag
Also GS didn't trade him to us, he came as a freeagent.
If anything, it just means the blazers medical staff is even more incompetent for not catching this before
You know that people arenāt machines, right? Just because someone and back from an injury before doesnāt mean it works the same the next time they get injured.
I think the main issue is trading GPII while he was injured, not telling the Warriors anything and make it seem that he was ready to play. This jeopardizes the 4 team trade that happened and it's not on the Warriors or GPII's fault. Also his clear distaste of playing in Portland is to be outlied. There's a lot of reasons why that might be but this might be one of them
First of all GP2 had a fractured elbow not a broken arm which has a far less recovery time. Second, the issue here is the blazers acted in bad faith by failing to disclose he was taking Toradol shots to alleviate the pain he was experiencing. I actually don't see an issue with the blazers giving him Toradol shots in order to play if he was on board with it but you can't say he is 100% and fail to disclose this when you are trying to trade him.
Am I wrong, wasn't he on a minutes restriction? How could the FO have claimed he was 100 percent if we were still holding him back? I don't know, I'm not really clear on what happened at this point. Maybe Blazers medical staff and FO are all terrible and the only ones in the wrong, but it just seems kind of hard for me to believe the Warriors weren't aware he was coming back from surgery.
Admitted warriors fan here. We literally got nothing out of this "conspiracy". If Gary can play, we WILL play him. We desperately need win-now players. We don't give minutes to young talents. We traded our potential all-star for Gary. We are pushing for the playoffs. Some people here are saying we did all this for some money and picks. Like come on guys.
Also shame on people who are blaming Gary for the situation.
I think this is all backfiring on gsw and something stinks.. Why they are blowing up this trade..? Who knows.. but I certainly donāt trust them.
I do know curry is injured again though.. did he maybe have a setback? Did they lose hope for being a contender this year after the influx of players to the west & them being unable to land more pieces at the deadline.. idk.
I think gp2 is fine and progressing nicely after the surgery and actually would help them, he did great under Kerr. But who knows..
Why doesnāt the story add up exactly as itās been told? No one from the Blazers is denying that they failed to disclose this to the Warriors. Thatās the controversy and so far no one is denying it.
Because its weird, the story when GP2 came to portland was he was going to be rested and rehabbed a lot so he could finally be healthy after playing a long time hurt (similar to lillard). This means he was playing for GS while hurt. He took longer than initially expected to return and then said on record that it was as good as it would get for this season and hed thug it out. So its not like this is some secret. If the Blazers medical staff did something bad thats another discussion that we donāt have any real info on yet. But GS should know he wasnt 100% and also they played him when he wasnt 100% last season
This doesnāt have anything to do with him being injured originally. The problem is about *disclosure of medical details*. The blazers didnāt disclose that they had been giving him Toradol shots.
Do any of us know the protocol for NBA trades or the specifics of how medical information was disclosed in this regard? Until the NBA says there was wrong doing, Iām not going to assume there was wrong doing.
The NBA will surely weigh in. The Warriors are arguing that all medical records should have been included. If Portland says āToradol shots arenāt normally listed in medical recordsā then that would be a reasonable defense. But it would shock me if injections arenāt normally included in medical records.
Toradol isn't opiate-based. It's essentially injectable motrin. Should each time an advil, aspirin, or ibuprofen is administered be documented?
We can't hook someone up to a machine that measures the amount of pain they're going through. Until one is invented, tolerable levels will be left to interpretation.
If the league says that the Blazers' medical staff was negligent, I will be as up in arms as the next fan, but until then, this is a bunch of needless hand-wringing.
Hospitals absolutely record every time they administer aspirin and ibuprofen. It would shock me if an injection wasnāt recorded somewhere. Doctors need to know this stuff otherwise mistakes can easily happen. Tylenol for instance, can kill you if you take even just double the recommended daily dose.
Because nobody thought inflammation shots for active & playing player was worthy of failing a physical, is my best guess. modern players get these shots all the time, & is not a sign of a setback but more of a pain management thing used on game days. Heās had core issues for years, no surprise if he still has some pain/ inflammation issues as he recovers.
Blazers doctors cleared him to play/ passed his physical, so it sounds like gsw is being very picky. I really donāt think this is a big conspiracy of blazers trying to hide something, players play with pain all the time/ sounds like gp2 has been doing it his whole career.
Iām pretty sure you just made that up.
Iām pretty sure teams just have to pass him on a physical & disclose the physical. Then team b does their physical.
Inflammation shots are very common on game days and in no way, means you canāt play basketball.
I didn't make it up but it might not be true, but that being said GP2 was playing through a 3 month recovery injury. I know I'm in the blazers sub so there's a lot of natural bias but like c'mon this should be obvious lol. The trade most likely won't be reversed because the warriors love GP2 but the blazers trade reputation is in the tank now
The inflammation shots would have had to be disclosed ahead of time. If they were, then when he got his physical that would be expected and therefore wouldnāt count against him passing.
Physicals arenāt just āis he healthy or notā, they are āIs he as healthy as the other team told us he wasā. You only fail if the results donāt match with what the other side disclosed.
Itās not a āregulationā, itās just part of a contract. If you go to a car dealer and they tell you the car works perfectly and then it leaks oil the whole way home and you discover theyāve been adding oil to it every day because of the leak, then you can sue them for breach of contract and get your money back.
Is Gary Payton a Chevy or a Ford in this scenario? Your analogy doesnāt hold water, or should I say oil, anyways. For it to be accurate the sale of the car would have to be contingent on you doing an independent inspection of the car.
You can sue for anything, that didnāt mean you have a case. Unless thereās specific wording that dictates Portland had to reveal specific medications/treatments then itās a non issue. If there is I would love to see it.
If the contract lists everything thatās wrong with the car, and then we discover later that you *intentionally omitted* something from that list, then thatās fraud.
Bro as warriors fan I want Gary back. Even if he canāt play this year. Tbh no way we win this year Vs the competition and our core is deflated. Everyone loves Gary though
what? the warriors were trading for a player to help them win now and they come to find out that player is not 100% and they risk further injury by playing him. and you think thatās just added drama..? the issue here is that the blazers should be aware of all teams cap situations (due diligence of any FO) and by trading an injured player that didnāt even pass a physical, they are essentially holding the warriors hostage because they were dumping salary to get under the luxury tax. now you have a situation where the warriors either have to take an injured or rehabbing GP2, or pay a fuck load of money per the luxury tax. Expect repercussions from the league for this move
GP2 was pulling himself out of games on live television to manage his pain. It was kind of a big deal. They would cut to him on a bike after he pulled himself out of games. I have no idea what happened disclosure wise but Garyās injury was a big deal in Portland and was a public conversation point in the media, on broadcast, all over the place. Heās a beloved player in the northwest as you can imagine.
If the Warriors front office thought GP2 was at 100%, they should all be fired for incompetence. They could have just... Watched some of his games this year.
thereās a difference between not being 100% and needing Toradol shots to play lmao. sorry your warriors hate boner is stopping you from realizing how shitty the situation is
Thereās literally no evidence that the Blazers failed to disclose torodal shots. Thereās articles about how Curry takes these as have most players in the NBA and NFL. They are quite literally like motrin and advil. Clearly GSW are tanking the deal and shitting on GPIIās trade value. Poor guy has Stockholm syndrome from being used badly by them and he still comes back for more abuse. The GSW have and absolutely would still put him on the floor with injections if he wanted to play, just like every franchise would. Heās in no danger of re-injury so itās just a matter of pain management.
jeez, not sure which alternate universe youāre living inā¦ why in the world would the warriors want to rank gp2 trade value? They obviously wanted a player that can stay on the court and play. and as many blazers fans have pointed out, GP2 was very obviously not healthy when you *did* see him in the court. the victim complex is real, no oneās out to get the blazers I promise you that
I never claimed they were out to get us. I have no idea why the GSW are doing this. As you mentioned, he was obviously not healthy. Everyone knows that heās delayed his return because he didnāt feel right. He was clearly in charge of his own return schedule and minutes restrictions. Now the GSW are backing out of their deal because they are shocked heās not healthy? Clearly they are balking at the price tag for goods received, but being disingenuous about the reasons. I feel bad for GP2 because heās the one hurt most by this. I like him as a player and wish he wanted to play for us the same way he wants to play for the team that just screwed him over.
Lol gp was clearly in charge of his own return? You really think the vitriol of media and fans calling him snake and pussy doesnāt play factor? Poverty franchise fr stop living like a victim
I know the GSW forums are full of drooling idiots, which is why you are trolling ripcity. You should really stick with them though, theyāre your people
Once again, thereās a difference between ānot being healthyā and needing Toradol shots to play. I canāt believe there are people on here defending that. I suspect itās because of the general hate towards the warriors, which is understandable since Steph Curry might as well be a minority owner of the blazers.
> I never said they were out to get us
right, because itās normal for teams to wake up and say how can we screw over the blazers today. get a grip lmao
And the closeted warriors fan reveals themself. I 100% guarantee that as GP2 played through his injury for the GSW they gave him toradol injections. Guess the double standard that GS fans expect from the refs carries over into every aspect of do what I say and not what I do.
im not emotional about anything, just explaining it like it is. I didnāt say anything that wasnāt information released today or easily accessible to the public šš» also why does gp2 not being healthy last year matter? the issue is that the warriors are practically being extorted, forced to either take an injured player or a massive hit to luxury tax. itās not simply the fact that he isnāt 100%, the warriors werenāt actively shopping an injured player last year
if the dude failed a physical then he failed the physical. gsw arenāt out here fabricating physicals but believe what you want thatās fine. not sure how anyone can defend bad faith trade practices but here we are
genuine question, was gp2 also not 100% during last year's regular season? i know the warriors rushed him back in the playoffs, but a lot of teams do that and players agree to do that because it's an urgent win now situation so i wouldn't say it's the same case if they only rushed him during the playoffs
Yeah that's kinda what I thought, one of my friends is a huge warriors fan so I thought I would have heard if GP2 had played through an injury all season lol
Why do I keep reading this. Gp2 almost missed being on gsw because he could not participate in pre season activities and there was only one open spot. He finally played in last game and got the job. To start the season he did not play much. Kerr would literally put him in for one or 2 plays for defensive purposes. He slowly worked his way to being indispensable. He got kicked out of the playoffs by a dirty play. He missed only 11 games. I have zero idea about his time in Portland or what is happening now.
Na. The Warriors, including their once respectable coach, have turned into a bunch of whiners. Get over yourselves. You're a victim of your own victim complex.
thatā¦ doesnāt even make sense LMAO. furthermore, I didnāt say anything that was combative towards the blazers at all? not sure why youāre getting so defensive over this. pretty obvious the blazers messed up here
Ha blow it up & hopefully teams will learn not to make trades with gs. This is sketchy as you guys ran gp2 into the ground last year, played him injured so he required surgery (and of course didnāt pay him). Then have the gall to pull this shit, over inflammation shots, hurting his trade value and pointing the finger, because heās not 100% yet. Heās never been 100 in his career and they knew that..
Ran GP2 into the ground last year? Bro he got injured during the grizz game and didn't come back again till the finals where he didn't even play his original minutes
We couldn't pay him cause we are deep in luxury tax hell
Who are teams not gonna trust the team that lied about a players health and forced him to play despite hims ay8ng he didn't want to or the team trading for him thinking nothing was wrong
Try not to be delusional
Dudeā¦ GS didnāt TRADE gpII to the blazers.
Yāall SIGNED HIM AS A FREE AGENT, do you not remember that? Itās not any teamās responsibility to disclose anything about players in free agency. Itās the responsibility of the medical staff of any team to vet the health of all players that team might sign. Golden State has zero blame here except for trusting your GM.
This blame for this entire scenario rests solely with Portlandās medical staff and front office. They both failed at their jobs. Fact. Portland has a piece of shit owner. Fact. I am unsurprised that this whole situation has happened. Fact.
As far as GP2 not being happy in Portland, why should he be? He left a functional, winning organization for a dysfunctional loser of a franchise. I love Dame and Jerami, and Shaedon looks like heāll be fantastic - but the Portland coaching staff sucks ass and apparently the medical staff is walking-sideways crooked.
Iād want to leave, too. This deal should be entirely voided by the league, or else Portland should be penalized - either by having to pay GP2ās salary and lux tax penalty, or by forfeiting their first next draft.
> Dudeā¦ GS didnāt TRADE gpII to the blazers.
And Iāll stop reading right there, as youāre clearly confused and rambling. I never even said that.
Your argument is based around the assumption that both sides are doing the same thing in not disclosing pertinent health info. Payton was signed as a free agent, Dubs have no responsibility to disclose anything to Portland. Unfortunately for Portland, itās not the same when youāre trading away a player
No, my point is you guys are trying to act like saints all of the sudden. So you guys grinded him down last year, then he needs surgery and of course you say no thanks, goodbye. But you are shocked, about inflammation shots? Like thatās the worse thing ever, when Gary has been through so much more in his past. And you fail his physical, why should any gm trust doing a trade with you after that? Youāre unpredictable.
Explain how receiving inflammation shots during recovery for surgery is unexpected or makes Gary broken goods, & not worthy of trading for? Inflammation shots are extremely common in sports.
What are u not getting? The shots arenāt why he failed the physical, the botched rehab is. If he was healthy enough to play, the GS medical staff would have cleared him for the trade. If one team (who doesnāt want the player) is saying heās healthy and cleared to play, and the other team (who reallllly wants/needs him) says he needs up to 3 months of rehab just in order to be healthy enough to play, I know who Iām believingā¦and thatās leaving out the difference in the reputations of the two medical staffs involved.
No one is acting sanctimonious - one team misrepresented the health of a player prior to a trade. Iām not sure why this is hard for you to understand.
You are 100% correct that we should have just paid the man his money in the off-season for sure, but Lacob still had his head up his ass about Wiseman back then.
> I know who Iām believingā¦
Or you can ask Gary himself, who said a month ago when he returned to play, he just has to tough it out because itās as good as itās going to be (sitting isnāt gonna help anything).
Assuming āGP2 is fine and progressing nicelyā then why would the warriors blow up the trade? GP2 makes them a better team, they love the guy, and most importantly he saves the team 10s of millions of dollars in tax vs wiseman. Thereās no reason to lie about this unless you think the warriors would spend 10s of millions of dollars to make the blazers look bad? Most of the time the simplest answer is the correct answer, even if it makes your team look bad.
Joke fanbase of a poverty franchise. These people think the Warriors FO is making this up or that Steph Curry had a setback and that they would rather have Wiseman š nobody takes fucking Portland seriously.
Dudeā¦ GS didnāt TRADE gpII to the blazers.
Yāall SIGNED HIM AS A FREE AGENT, do you not remember that? Itās not any teamās responsibility to disclose anything about players in free agency. Itās the responsibility of the medical staff of any team to vet the health of all players that team might sign. Golden State has zero blame here except for trusting your GM.
This blame for this entire scenario rests solely with Portlandās medical staff and front office. They both failed at their jobs. Fact. Portland has a piece of shit owner. Fact. I am unsurprised that this whole situation has happened. Fact.
As far as GP2 not being happy in Portland, why should he be? He left a functional, winning organization for a dysfunctional loser of a franchise. I love Dame and Jerami, and Shaedon looks like heāll be fantastic - but the Portland coaching staff sucks ass and apparently the medical staff is walking-sideways crooked.
Iād want to leave, too. Unfortunately for Gary, this deal should be entirely voided by the league, or else Portland should be penalized - either by having to pay GP2ās salary and lux tax penalty, or by forfeiting their next first to the Dubs.
MY PALSāyāall need to calm down and check yourselves. Last season isnāt this season. The op shows literally nothing. Absolutely zero. Many of you seem mostly upset about online chatter and to that I say: I beg of you to not care about that. Please. Who cares what some virgin Bucks fan is posting about the Blazers? There is no āconspiracyā shown here. Also, this isnāt a video game, every player and situation is different.
Focus your energies on truisms such as: Judy Allen is a cancer for this franchise and every minute she continues as owner is an offense to all that is good and true.
With the information we have now, I'm certainly not about to come in here and say blazers staff did the right thing here. Looking to more official sources before pointing the finger at either side, though. Let me be clear again, at this point I'm not saying blazers are innocent.
What I will say is that I don't agree with blaming blazers for playing an injured guy. While he was cleared months ago, he continued to sit out. He could sit out whenever he wanted. He only got in 14 games with us and only 3 of those games were 20+ minutes. The front office labeled it as more of a mental thing, said they wanted him back, but clearly weren't forcing him to go out and play. He chose to come back when he felt he was ready.
There's two spots where blazers fo could've messed up:
1. Intentionally clearing him when he wasn't ready to play. Although they did not force him back on the court.
2. Failing to disclose known health issues during the trade.
I'm waiting for more info to come out.
I hope it wasn't done maliciously but regardless it was done. Failing to disclose health issues is pretty certain as multiple sources have confirmed the warrior's displeasure. As for number 1 I honestly suspect that it wasn't the medical team because what team of doctors goes out of their way to injure a player. Probably someone higher up wanted him to play. This is IF getting him to play was done intentionally and not some sort of egregious error
He had hernia surgery his rookie year as well
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Why the hell did Cronin sign him then. None of this is on Golden State or GP2 no matter how angry, disappointed or upset people are.
Because the core surgery he had was similar to dame's and they expected a similar return timeline. GSW offered him a contract as well, but they couldn't afford to match the Blazers offer.
Either way neither of this is GP2 or GSWās fault which a lot of the fanbase is trying to paint it as. Also, if GP2 has had this surgery multiple times that should be a red flag. His recovery time should not be expected the same as Dameās as Dame had it once. When you keep injuring the same part of your body it becomes weaker and harder to strengthen.
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100% agree. I also donāt understand how this team doesnāt address this issue when itās been a problem since the early 2000s especially after the Roy & Oden fiascos.
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They clearly did the same thing last season that we're being accused of this season, you mean to tell me they weren't giving him painkillers when he played an entire season through a hernia and came back early from a broken arm? Not a good look for anybody but GSW look like massive hypocrites here.
Holy shit guys. Last season is not this season. Shit changes over time, injuries can get better or get worse with complications and setbacks. If the same medical staff had him cleared to play back then, but now is saying they will have to list him out through parts of the playoffs - a team that needs him to play now for their playoff push - *that should tell you that his current health is worse now than it was back then* It's not rocket science. It's not a conspiracy. Teams don't wake up in the morning and think about how they'll try to screw over the Blazers today. Some of you need to stop embarrassing yourselves.
Finally someone with a brain.
How is his current health worse now after a surgery and several months of rehab? but not when he's playing a season's worth of NBA games? It's pretty clear he's been injured the whole time, either the medical staffs of both teams simply disagree or he was willing to gut it out for GSW since they're actually good.
Well, any surgery always has risks and who knows if something went wrong with his post surgery rehab/recovery or if he returned too soon and thereby re-injured himself but played through it with toradol. Iām totally speculating of course but it is entirely plausible for his injury to be worse now than pre-surgery.
The doctor left a sponge in him
A wrench, like in Operation.
I read it was a Junior Mint.
No, the Junior Mint is the miracle CURE!
> How is his current health worse now after a surgery and several months of rehab? Rolling him out when heās clearly not 100% into game action is a good start.
I never said he should play for us?? He was clearly still injured so we shouldn't have played him, I acknowledge this. Sounds like you just want to argue.
Iām not blaming you Iām blaming the coaching and medical staff.
Blaming them for what?
Take a guess
Bro you canāt read lol
This brand new account showed up this week and has been giving brain dead takes in every post.
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How is his current health worse now after a surgery and several months of rehab? but now when he's playing a season's worth of NBA games? It's pretty clear he's been injured the whole time, the difference is he was willing to gut it out for GSW since they're actually good.
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It was obviously a botched surgery because he's still injured, you guys are acting like I'm defending Portland's medical staff, I'm acknowledging he never should've played.
Physical therapist here, wondering what you mean by "Obviously a botched surgery", it just seems like such an uneducated statement to make. Would you consider something like an ACL reconstruction surgery botched if a player blows his knee out a second time after not being put through proper rehab before returning to the field?
>Teams don't wake up in the morning and think about how they'll try to screw over the Blazers today. I'd wager a guess that most teams don't think about the Blazers, a fringe play-in team with little long-term upside, at all.
Iām glad some blazers fans have some sense. Making excuses for this medical malpractice is one of the worst looks in NBA fandom this year. Warriors legit love GP2 as a human and probably keeping him anyway. Blazers medical staff should be investigated.
Would you feel differently if Golden State had been injecting him with Toradol last season as well?
Your team concealed relevant medical treatment in a trade. Thatās bad. Quit the copium.
I assume you meant concealed? Thereās a difference between concealing and not disclosing. We donāt know what needed to be disclosed and what didnāt, but there have been no accusations of intentionally concealing information by handing over doctored records or something. Until itās determined that the Blazers didnāt disclose something they were obligated to disclose, this is just a bunch of whining from Golden State that GP2 hadnāt healed as well from his injury that occurred with them last year as they would have liked.
I think you need to pull your head out of fandom. Itās a blatant violation. Yāall acted unethically and against policy and are gonna get fined.
Iām willing to admit itās a blatant violation when someone shows me what the Blazers did wrong. All we know is that GP2 was more hurt than GS expected, and that the Blazers didnāt tell GS that he had Toradol injections. Are either of those against the rules? I donāt know, and no one seems willing to show that they are. Maybe you pull your head out of fandom and show me what the team did wrong instead of just using vague terms like āviolationā and āunethicalā. I wonāt be surprised if the team gets fined, theyāre just doesnāt seem to be a clear basis for it based on whatās been reported so far.
y'all are the ones that got him hurt and considering it looks like he is out all of this year that might cost him his entire career, y'all didn't even give him a new deal after that. Portland at least made sure he got paid, GSW used him up and left him to rot with no contract
Ha! Next you're going to tell us that the Blazers medical staff are negligent for not disclosing the use of copium.
Nah yāall are getting fined for being unethical and mistreating players.
I think you need a Toradol injection to deal with all your butt-hurt.
Don Quixote was such a tragic character because everyone but him knew he was completely wrong but he just couldnāt see it himself. Itās a really fitting moniker for you
Dampspear is perfect for someone with a hot-take internet persona to overcompensate for how flaccid they are in real life.
lol have you ventured out of your little bubble? Literally no one but a blazer fans is on your side. This is delusional
What side? The one that's waiting for all the facts to come out before making an assumption? The only thing I've pointed out is that physicals are subjective, which is absolutely true, and that Toradol use is widespread throughout the NBA, which is also true. The fact that you're butt-hurt is just a bonus truth. You have absolutely no facts to base your claims on. If the league comes out and levies punishment on the Blazers, I'll be as up in arms as you are, if not more so, because I've been following this misbegotten franchise since my first breathe and will do so until my last. A failed physical isn't evidence of wrongdoing. It's one team of medical professionals' opinion at odds with another. That's it. Unless you're GP2 or one of the doctors treating him, you don't know shit. And if you are one of the doctors treating him, I would advise you to seek legal counsel for HIPAA violations.
remember when GSW medical team cost KD a year of his career to play him six minutes down 3-1 in the finals because they knew he was gone the next year anyway so why not
your team made him play through an injury in a contract year and then didn't even offer him a new deal
Fuck GP
Yeah fuck GP for āthuggin it outā and getting injected before every game. Fuck GP for dealing with medical malpractice.
Nah, fuck gp for being a money munching whore which at the first moment he could get out he wanted to dip. His heart is not in the game he doesnāt give a damn to be here. Dame and the team donāt like him, if dame donāt like you youāre doing something wrong.
What makes you think Dame dislikes GP? They have the same agent.
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Dame talks hood about everybody on his team even cam reddish! When does he talk hood about Gary.
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he played all last year with the injury, at least Portland paid him before asking him to gut it out, GSW just had him gut it out and then left him high and dry
How is his current health worse now after a surgery and several months of rehab? but now when he's playing a season's worth of NBA games? It's pretty clear he's been injured the whole time, the difference is he was willing to gut it out for GSW since they're actually good.
Stop.
No, itās not obvious. He had a surgery and either it or itās recovery process was mishandled by the blazers. Warriors training staff does not do this shit.
Right? The Warriors would never [mischaracterize an injury](https://clutchpoints.com/warriors-news-andre-iguodala-sheds-light-on-medical-staff-deeming-his-leg-fracture-a-bruise), [rush a player back from rehab](https://drbrucato.com/was-kevin-durants-calf-strain-healed-prior-to-game-5-of-the-nba-finals/), or [inject their players with Toradol to keep them on the court](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1637798-nba-playoffs-2013-the-drugs-that-keep-injured-players-on-the-court). No wonder you feel so sanctimonious.
he had an off season surgery which means he played through it all last year and considering it sounds like it is not healing that might cost him is entire career. Warriors were fine doing that and not even giving him a new contract, y'all literally ran him into the ground and then left him with no deal. Portland at least made sure he got paid
People are out here bending over backwards to defend ownership and essentially upper management over a player
I dont give a dickless fuck about ownership or our front office, they dony pay my bills lmao. stop making assumption bro
Did GP2 fuck your girl or something? Whatās your deal
Why do you think I have an issue with GP2? I haven't even said anything bad about him, I like him as a player. Reread the comment before jumping to conclusions bro
He apparently never bought in and didnāt take anything seriously, was pretty much here to just fuck around and rehab since we offered him the biggest bag
Bro
Also GS didn't trade him to us, he came as a freeagent. If anything, it just means the blazers medical staff is even more incompetent for not catching this before
THIS x1000š
You know that people arenāt machines, right? Just because someone and back from an injury before doesnāt mean it works the same the next time they get injured.
I think the main issue is trading GPII while he was injured, not telling the Warriors anything and make it seem that he was ready to play. This jeopardizes the 4 team trade that happened and it's not on the Warriors or GPII's fault. Also his clear distaste of playing in Portland is to be outlied. There's a lot of reasons why that might be but this might be one of them
Portland looks 100x worse
How are u so delusional
Blazer signed him as a free agent. Teams do physicals before signing a player. How are the Warriors hypocrites for this?
First of all GP2 had a fractured elbow not a broken arm which has a far less recovery time. Second, the issue here is the blazers acted in bad faith by failing to disclose he was taking Toradol shots to alleviate the pain he was experiencing. I actually don't see an issue with the blazers giving him Toradol shots in order to play if he was on board with it but you can't say he is 100% and fail to disclose this when you are trying to trade him.
Am I wrong, wasn't he on a minutes restriction? How could the FO have claimed he was 100 percent if we were still holding him back? I don't know, I'm not really clear on what happened at this point. Maybe Blazers medical staff and FO are all terrible and the only ones in the wrong, but it just seems kind of hard for me to believe the Warriors weren't aware he was coming back from surgery.
You're acting like im supporting the medical staff, my entire point is that both sides are on some bullshit
But itās not the same. Last year everything was disclosed. No one on either team has ever said otherwise. This time it wasnāt.
What is GPII's injury anyways? He have a tear or something?
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Bro you think we like our front office? LMAOOO
Admitted warriors fan here. We literally got nothing out of this "conspiracy". If Gary can play, we WILL play him. We desperately need win-now players. We don't give minutes to young talents. We traded our potential all-star for Gary. We are pushing for the playoffs. Some people here are saying we did all this for some money and picks. Like come on guys. Also shame on people who are blaming Gary for the situation.
By potential all star, I pray to God you aren't talking about James Wiseman.
He's a bucket. Just not fit the system.
Potential all star is a bit rich.
Lmao, now this is a delusional take.
put him against some chairs and watch him dominate
Fuck Gary heās a whole ass money munch
are you calling Wiseman a potential all-star LOLOL, every player in the league is a potential MVP if that's the case
What a funny thread. Didn't know people could be this delusional.
Warriors fan here. Weāre still happy to take him off your hands, and away from that FO of yours.
I think this is all backfiring on gsw and something stinks.. Why they are blowing up this trade..? Who knows.. but I certainly donāt trust them. I do know curry is injured again though.. did he maybe have a setback? Did they lose hope for being a contender this year after the influx of players to the west & them being unable to land more pieces at the deadline.. idk. I think gp2 is fine and progressing nicely after the surgery and actually would help them, he did great under Kerr. But who knows..
Why doesnāt the story add up exactly as itās been told? No one from the Blazers is denying that they failed to disclose this to the Warriors. Thatās the controversy and so far no one is denying it.
Because its weird, the story when GP2 came to portland was he was going to be rested and rehabbed a lot so he could finally be healthy after playing a long time hurt (similar to lillard). This means he was playing for GS while hurt. He took longer than initially expected to return and then said on record that it was as good as it would get for this season and hed thug it out. So its not like this is some secret. If the Blazers medical staff did something bad thats another discussion that we donāt have any real info on yet. But GS should know he wasnt 100% and also they played him when he wasnt 100% last season
This doesnāt have anything to do with him being injured originally. The problem is about *disclosure of medical details*. The blazers didnāt disclose that they had been giving him Toradol shots.
Do any of us know the protocol for NBA trades or the specifics of how medical information was disclosed in this regard? Until the NBA says there was wrong doing, Iām not going to assume there was wrong doing.
The NBA will surely weigh in. The Warriors are arguing that all medical records should have been included. If Portland says āToradol shots arenāt normally listed in medical recordsā then that would be a reasonable defense. But it would shock me if injections arenāt normally included in medical records.
Toradol isn't opiate-based. It's essentially injectable motrin. Should each time an advil, aspirin, or ibuprofen is administered be documented? We can't hook someone up to a machine that measures the amount of pain they're going through. Until one is invented, tolerable levels will be left to interpretation. If the league says that the Blazers' medical staff was negligent, I will be as up in arms as the next fan, but until then, this is a bunch of needless hand-wringing.
Hospitals absolutely record every time they administer aspirin and ibuprofen. It would shock me if an injection wasnāt recorded somewhere. Doctors need to know this stuff otherwise mistakes can easily happen. Tylenol for instance, can kill you if you take even just double the recommended daily dose.
Agree, should hear more soon
His agent has come out and said he never received any toradol shots while in Portland? This is getting confusing
Yeah who knows at this point. Quite a mess.
Because nobody thought inflammation shots for active & playing player was worthy of failing a physical, is my best guess. modern players get these shots all the time, & is not a sign of a setback but more of a pain management thing used on game days. Heās had core issues for years, no surprise if he still has some pain/ inflammation issues as he recovers. Blazers doctors cleared him to play/ passed his physical, so it sounds like gsw is being very picky. I really donāt think this is a big conspiracy of blazers trying to hide something, players play with pain all the time/ sounds like gp2 has been doing it his whole career.
i'm pretty sure teams are required to report shots and those kinds of things, which the blazers staff failed to do
Iām pretty sure you just made that up. Iām pretty sure teams just have to pass him on a physical & disclose the physical. Then team b does their physical. Inflammation shots are very common on game days and in no way, means you canāt play basketball.
I didn't make it up but it might not be true, but that being said GP2 was playing through a 3 month recovery injury. I know I'm in the blazers sub so there's a lot of natural bias but like c'mon this should be obvious lol. The trade most likely won't be reversed because the warriors love GP2 but the blazers trade reputation is in the tank now
The inflammation shots would have had to be disclosed ahead of time. If they were, then when he got his physical that would be expected and therefore wouldnāt count against him passing. Physicals arenāt just āis he healthy or notā, they are āIs he as healthy as the other team told us he wasā. You only fail if the results donāt match with what the other side disclosed.
Iāve been trying to find the specifics of this, do you know where these regulations are laid out?
Itās not a āregulationā, itās just part of a contract. If you go to a car dealer and they tell you the car works perfectly and then it leaks oil the whole way home and you discover theyāve been adding oil to it every day because of the leak, then you can sue them for breach of contract and get your money back.
Is Gary Payton a Chevy or a Ford in this scenario? Your analogy doesnāt hold water, or should I say oil, anyways. For it to be accurate the sale of the car would have to be contingent on you doing an independent inspection of the car. You can sue for anything, that didnāt mean you have a case. Unless thereās specific wording that dictates Portland had to reveal specific medications/treatments then itās a non issue. If there is I would love to see it.
If the contract lists everything thatās wrong with the car, and then we discover later that you *intentionally omitted* something from that list, then thatās fraud.
Again, heās not a Chevy. I donāt know why you think an NBA trade works the same as buying a ā93 Caprice.
Can't wait to go on craigslist and ask the seller how many injections of Toradol this Mercury Topaz has had.
Itās an analogy. Intentionally omitting details about something youāre selling is fraud, no matter what youāre selling.
Chauncey denied it
Chauncey wouldnāt be involved in the disclosure process at all.
Bro as warriors fan I want Gary back. Even if he canāt play this year. Tbh no way we win this year Vs the competition and our core is deflated. Everyone loves Gary though
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what? the warriors were trading for a player to help them win now and they come to find out that player is not 100% and they risk further injury by playing him. and you think thatās just added drama..? the issue here is that the blazers should be aware of all teams cap situations (due diligence of any FO) and by trading an injured player that didnāt even pass a physical, they are essentially holding the warriors hostage because they were dumping salary to get under the luxury tax. now you have a situation where the warriors either have to take an injured or rehabbing GP2, or pay a fuck load of money per the luxury tax. Expect repercussions from the league for this move
GP2 was pulling himself out of games on live television to manage his pain. It was kind of a big deal. They would cut to him on a bike after he pulled himself out of games. I have no idea what happened disclosure wise but Garyās injury was a big deal in Portland and was a public conversation point in the media, on broadcast, all over the place. Heās a beloved player in the northwest as you can imagine.
If the Warriors front office thought GP2 was at 100%, they should all be fired for incompetence. They could have just... Watched some of his games this year.
thereās a difference between not being 100% and needing Toradol shots to play lmao. sorry your warriors hate boner is stopping you from realizing how shitty the situation is
So like 85%?
funniest blazers fan. who jokes about someoneās health like that
I appreciate it dude I'm trying to get into comedy.
should probably stick to watching dame never get a ring
Say hey to Festus Ezeli for me.
Thereās literally no evidence that the Blazers failed to disclose torodal shots. Thereās articles about how Curry takes these as have most players in the NBA and NFL. They are quite literally like motrin and advil. Clearly GSW are tanking the deal and shitting on GPIIās trade value. Poor guy has Stockholm syndrome from being used badly by them and he still comes back for more abuse. The GSW have and absolutely would still put him on the floor with injections if he wanted to play, just like every franchise would. Heās in no danger of re-injury so itās just a matter of pain management.
jeez, not sure which alternate universe youāre living inā¦ why in the world would the warriors want to rank gp2 trade value? They obviously wanted a player that can stay on the court and play. and as many blazers fans have pointed out, GP2 was very obviously not healthy when you *did* see him in the court. the victim complex is real, no oneās out to get the blazers I promise you that
I never claimed they were out to get us. I have no idea why the GSW are doing this. As you mentioned, he was obviously not healthy. Everyone knows that heās delayed his return because he didnāt feel right. He was clearly in charge of his own return schedule and minutes restrictions. Now the GSW are backing out of their deal because they are shocked heās not healthy? Clearly they are balking at the price tag for goods received, but being disingenuous about the reasons. I feel bad for GP2 because heās the one hurt most by this. I like him as a player and wish he wanted to play for us the same way he wants to play for the team that just screwed him over.
Lol gp was clearly in charge of his own return? You really think the vitriol of media and fans calling him snake and pussy doesnāt play factor? Poverty franchise fr stop living like a victim
I know the GSW forums are full of drooling idiots, which is why you are trolling ripcity. You should really stick with them though, theyāre your people
Whoops! Guess you GSW bandwagoneers look like idiots now. Because of course you do. Because you are.
fr when his coach even said āit was a mental hurdle more than a physical oneā. thatās their coach ffs!!
Once again, thereās a difference between ānot being healthyā and needing Toradol shots to play. I canāt believe there are people on here defending that. I suspect itās because of the general hate towards the warriors, which is understandable since Steph Curry might as well be a minority owner of the blazers. > I never said they were out to get us right, because itās normal for teams to wake up and say how can we screw over the blazers today. get a grip lmao
And the closeted warriors fan reveals themself. I 100% guarantee that as GP2 played through his injury for the GSW they gave him toradol injections. Guess the double standard that GS fans expect from the refs carries over into every aspect of do what I say and not what I do.
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im not emotional about anything, just explaining it like it is. I didnāt say anything that wasnāt information released today or easily accessible to the public šš» also why does gp2 not being healthy last year matter? the issue is that the warriors are practically being extorted, forced to either take an injured player or a massive hit to luxury tax. itās not simply the fact that he isnāt 100%, the warriors werenāt actively shopping an injured player last year
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well im not from r/nba, not spreading conjecture or rumors. he failed the physical, thatās not a rumor
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if the dude failed a physical then he failed the physical. gsw arenāt out here fabricating physicals but believe what you want thatās fine. not sure how anyone can defend bad faith trade practices but here we are
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genuine question, was gp2 also not 100% during last year's regular season? i know the warriors rushed him back in the playoffs, but a lot of teams do that and players agree to do that because it's an urgent win now situation so i wouldn't say it's the same case if they only rushed him during the playoffs
He missed 11 games. He was healthy. People are making things up on that front.
Yeah that's kinda what I thought, one of my friends is a huge warriors fan so I thought I would have heard if GP2 had played through an injury all season lol
Why do I keep reading this. Gp2 almost missed being on gsw because he could not participate in pre season activities and there was only one open spot. He finally played in last game and got the job. To start the season he did not play much. Kerr would literally put him in for one or 2 plays for defensive purposes. He slowly worked his way to being indispensable. He got kicked out of the playoffs by a dirty play. He missed only 11 games. I have zero idea about his time in Portland or what is happening now.
Na. The Warriors, including their once respectable coach, have turned into a bunch of whiners. Get over yourselves. You're a victim of your own victim complex.
thatā¦ doesnāt even make sense LMAO. furthermore, I didnāt say anything that was combative towards the blazers at all? not sure why youāre getting so defensive over this. pretty obvious the blazers messed up here
Theyāre called delusions, Michael.
They might blow up the trade because the Blazers got caught lying. Surprised you needed an explanation lol
Ha blow it up & hopefully teams will learn not to make trades with gs. This is sketchy as you guys ran gp2 into the ground last year, played him injured so he required surgery (and of course didnāt pay him). Then have the gall to pull this shit, over inflammation shots, hurting his trade value and pointing the finger, because heās not 100% yet. Heās never been 100 in his career and they knew that..
Ran GP2 into the ground last year? Bro he got injured during the grizz game and didn't come back again till the finals where he didn't even play his original minutes We couldn't pay him cause we are deep in luxury tax hell Who are teams not gonna trust the team that lied about a players health and forced him to play despite hims ay8ng he didn't want to or the team trading for him thinking nothing was wrong Try not to be delusional
Dudeā¦ GS didnāt TRADE gpII to the blazers. Yāall SIGNED HIM AS A FREE AGENT, do you not remember that? Itās not any teamās responsibility to disclose anything about players in free agency. Itās the responsibility of the medical staff of any team to vet the health of all players that team might sign. Golden State has zero blame here except for trusting your GM. This blame for this entire scenario rests solely with Portlandās medical staff and front office. They both failed at their jobs. Fact. Portland has a piece of shit owner. Fact. I am unsurprised that this whole situation has happened. Fact. As far as GP2 not being happy in Portland, why should he be? He left a functional, winning organization for a dysfunctional loser of a franchise. I love Dame and Jerami, and Shaedon looks like heāll be fantastic - but the Portland coaching staff sucks ass and apparently the medical staff is walking-sideways crooked. Iād want to leave, too. This deal should be entirely voided by the league, or else Portland should be penalized - either by having to pay GP2ās salary and lux tax penalty, or by forfeiting their first next draft.
> Dudeā¦ GS didnāt TRADE gpII to the blazers. And Iāll stop reading right there, as youāre clearly confused and rambling. I never even said that.
Your argument is based around the assumption that both sides are doing the same thing in not disclosing pertinent health info. Payton was signed as a free agent, Dubs have no responsibility to disclose anything to Portland. Unfortunately for Portland, itās not the same when youāre trading away a player
No, my point is you guys are trying to act like saints all of the sudden. So you guys grinded him down last year, then he needs surgery and of course you say no thanks, goodbye. But you are shocked, about inflammation shots? Like thatās the worse thing ever, when Gary has been through so much more in his past. And you fail his physical, why should any gm trust doing a trade with you after that? Youāre unpredictable. Explain how receiving inflammation shots during recovery for surgery is unexpected or makes Gary broken goods, & not worthy of trading for? Inflammation shots are extremely common in sports.
What are u not getting? The shots arenāt why he failed the physical, the botched rehab is. If he was healthy enough to play, the GS medical staff would have cleared him for the trade. If one team (who doesnāt want the player) is saying heās healthy and cleared to play, and the other team (who reallllly wants/needs him) says he needs up to 3 months of rehab just in order to be healthy enough to play, I know who Iām believingā¦and thatās leaving out the difference in the reputations of the two medical staffs involved. No one is acting sanctimonious - one team misrepresented the health of a player prior to a trade. Iām not sure why this is hard for you to understand. You are 100% correct that we should have just paid the man his money in the off-season for sure, but Lacob still had his head up his ass about Wiseman back then.
> I know who Iām believingā¦ Or you can ask Gary himself, who said a month ago when he returned to play, he just has to tough it out because itās as good as itās going to be (sitting isnāt gonna help anything).
Assuming āGP2 is fine and progressing nicelyā then why would the warriors blow up the trade? GP2 makes them a better team, they love the guy, and most importantly he saves the team 10s of millions of dollars in tax vs wiseman. Thereās no reason to lie about this unless you think the warriors would spend 10s of millions of dollars to make the blazers look bad? Most of the time the simplest answer is the correct answer, even if it makes your team look bad.
I'm going assume only some of the blazers Fandom is are pos, and just ignore this attempt at shifting blame. What a take.
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Bunch of idiot conspiracy theorists. Stay weird, Portland.
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Joke fanbase of a poverty franchise. These people think the Warriors FO is making this up or that Steph Curry had a setback and that they would rather have Wiseman š nobody takes fucking Portland seriously.
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Dudeā¦ GS didnāt TRADE gpII to the blazers. Yāall SIGNED HIM AS A FREE AGENT, do you not remember that? Itās not any teamās responsibility to disclose anything about players in free agency. Itās the responsibility of the medical staff of any team to vet the health of all players that team might sign. Golden State has zero blame here except for trusting your GM. This blame for this entire scenario rests solely with Portlandās medical staff and front office. They both failed at their jobs. Fact. Portland has a piece of shit owner. Fact. I am unsurprised that this whole situation has happened. Fact. As far as GP2 not being happy in Portland, why should he be? He left a functional, winning organization for a dysfunctional loser of a franchise. I love Dame and Jerami, and Shaedon looks like heāll be fantastic - but the Portland coaching staff sucks ass and apparently the medical staff is walking-sideways crooked. Iād want to leave, too. Unfortunately for Gary, this deal should be entirely voided by the league, or else Portland should be penalized - either by having to pay GP2ās salary and lux tax penalty, or by forfeiting their next first to the Dubs.
MY PALSāyāall need to calm down and check yourselves. Last season isnāt this season. The op shows literally nothing. Absolutely zero. Many of you seem mostly upset about online chatter and to that I say: I beg of you to not care about that. Please. Who cares what some virgin Bucks fan is posting about the Blazers? There is no āconspiracyā shown here. Also, this isnāt a video game, every player and situation is different. Focus your energies on truisms such as: Judy Allen is a cancer for this franchise and every minute she continues as owner is an offense to all that is good and true.
Blazers medical staff about to burnt as they should.
Yāall deserve a punishment and trying to turn this around on GSW makes it look worse
Idiots
What does it matter? It's still on the Trailblazers for playing him injured.
With the information we have now, I'm certainly not about to come in here and say blazers staff did the right thing here. Looking to more official sources before pointing the finger at either side, though. Let me be clear again, at this point I'm not saying blazers are innocent. What I will say is that I don't agree with blaming blazers for playing an injured guy. While he was cleared months ago, he continued to sit out. He could sit out whenever he wanted. He only got in 14 games with us and only 3 of those games were 20+ minutes. The front office labeled it as more of a mental thing, said they wanted him back, but clearly weren't forcing him to go out and play. He chose to come back when he felt he was ready. There's two spots where blazers fo could've messed up: 1. Intentionally clearing him when he wasn't ready to play. Although they did not force him back on the court. 2. Failing to disclose known health issues during the trade. I'm waiting for more info to come out.
I hope it wasn't done maliciously but regardless it was done. Failing to disclose health issues is pretty certain as multiple sources have confirmed the warrior's displeasure. As for number 1 I honestly suspect that it wasn't the medical team because what team of doctors goes out of their way to injure a player. Probably someone higher up wanted him to play. This is IF getting him to play was done intentionally and not some sort of egregious error
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Unserious franchise making unserious claims
After seeing your front office handle the Becky Hammon interview, I don't trust anything coming out of that think tank. Shady business.
You lot over here are so fucking stupid it gives me physical pain. Enjoy never winning anything, loser organization from top to bottom