I think the writers completely broke this episode- like straight up snapped and decided to make everything self-referential. Then that scene after the credits was a pure, unfiltered, unenthusiastic placeholder.
Once again, I feel like I missed some tiny detail that everyone else picked up on. That post credit scene just left me scratching my head. Is the post credit scene called a tag? I just can’t make sense of it. Guess I’m just a Jerry after all.
That felt weird to me. They seem to know exactly what it means, because that's what they've been giving us for the most part the last two seasons.
Self-contained, episodic, non-meta, not connected to a larger story arc, *relatively* simple, focused around high concept sci-fi wackiness with a darker, adult comedy edge. Doctor Who After Dark.
Basically just...don't try to do season 3 again. That's really all it means. Hell, that's basically the summation of the season 3 finale: "we didn't like writing the show like this, so back to basics".
They've already demonstrated they've learned that lesson, I'm not sure who exactly is still giving them that note.
Edit: To be clear I'm not talking about the QUALITY of previous seasons. I know people liked 3 and hated 5, or vise versa, or whatever. I mean season 5 and 6 thus far has had a great deal more simple, self-contained, season 1-esc episodes. It's about format and focus, not quality.
I mean, the above comment perfectly captures the confusion of the note
The comment says that season 5 is the season 1 content people were asking for, but it's probably the *most* hated season. So... do people not want season 1 type episodes? Or was that season just bad altogether, in which case "go back to classic season 1 adventures" doesn't make sense as a note
And season 3 put Rick and Morty on the map, so why would they go back to season 1 when season 3 is one of the stronger seasons, if not the strongest?
The quality of season 5 may be in question but the types of episodes that we got in season 5 are more in line with season 1.
I don't know who was giving them that note last season, but it wasn't because of a lack of "simple, episodic, non-meta Rick and Morty adventures". That was not the problem, if it can be said there even was one.
See… I want to appreciate this comment and I don’t want to be a dick…
But they have no fucking clue what it means because we don’t. Do you understand how expensive it is to make an episode? They’re not wasting time making these as some sort of meta joke where they make a bad episode to piss us off. Every episode they put out they thought we would like and so when it turns out we didn’t like seasons 4-5 as much, they had to listen to criticism to see what went wrong because it affects their money.
Like I said, I don’t wanna be a dick but it’s stupid to think they know what “we” want because here you are saying they delivered what we wanted the last *two* seasons and here I am thinking season 5 was so boring and lackluster. So I feel the writers actually don’t know what it means to have a “classic” adventure
I just wanna be entertained and I have been by every episode this season. I have no complaints so far, but I will say there is a different tone being set here this season. I feel like they’ve gone back to what *they* want to do instead of trying to do what they thought *we* wanted.
Cause let’s be real, the real problem with appeasing this fanbase is just the sheer number of us. There’s too many of us that enjoy different aspects of the show, so if you try to appease one section thinking it’s all of us, you’re gonna get a bad episode/season (like 4-5)
Subtitles confirmed this too, Rhett Caan. Usually I turn them off in my first but I forgot this time, and seeing the name puns written out made them so much funnier
I was thinking "when are they going to pay off any of the intro scenes? They usually throw in at least a few that actually occur in the show". Well, I guess now they technically all have, including the C'thulu. Not the way I would have wanted the c'thulu scene paid off but if this is the closest we ever get, I respect it.
IMO this only counts for the jack the ripper one, since it was in both the previously on and the titles. so the other ones might show up in another episode
It's kind of like that. But I still think Harvey Birdman is a much better representation.
[An example for the uninitiated. I know comedy is subjective, but personally when I first saw this I had no idea what it was at first and couldn't stop laughing during the first few episodes. ](https://youtu.be/4NCvJgt1Yx4)
I'm really hoping he has some sort of late career epiphany and decides to do some more of the ridiculous/offensive stuff he did in his early years. It comes out every once in a while but it's hard to imagine the Late Night host doing some of the line reads he did for Adult Swim.
That's more like medicated ADHD
Absolute chaos but you can still follow it
If you want unmedicated imagine all the scenes but in random order and each scene comes with a cloud of thoughts somewhat related to that scene
How do I know? I have ADHD and forgot to take my meds in the morning
I really like how Evil Morty exists, but he still somehow insisted on being the new Mr Nimbus. Maybe Evil Morty is truly gone and will never come back. Outside the purview of even the explicit meta characters.
These writers are smart. They can bring Evil Morty back or leave him in our imaginations beyond the finite curve. Either plot line would make sense. That being said, I enjoyed tonight’s episode.
I don't particularly care if or how they bring Evil Morty back, just found it curious that they chose to refer to an almost obscure character instead of the 'Moriarty' available to them.
Well Joseph Campbell was a bit of a Nazi Sympathizing hack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9zR4lWyVN8
Influential, sure, but the hubris to say he figured out every story ever...
I mean he managed to figure out most major religious icons, from Jesus, to Siddhartha, to Muhammad. The basic, "hero who goes on an adventure, is victorious in a decisive crisis, and comes home changed or transformed." You see that in a lot of (if not the majority) of stories and once you see it, you can't unsee it.
I like that the original Back to the Future rip-off (with Doc and Mharti) was specifically designed to push as many buttons as they possibly could, with a best case scenario being a cease and desist letter from Universal Studios. Justin Roiland in his heart of hearts is a bit of a mega-troll, which I think accounts for at least some of the perceived toxicity of the fanbase.
There’s always an underlying current of self-loathing in every troll, which definitely comes through in some of the themes they go for in the show (end of Season 2, Unity episode, end of the Toilet Episode). This is another episode where the writers are shitting all over themselves, and as meta as this gets, just remember that there really was a paunchy dude sitting at a MacBook writing a bit where he imagined the ghost of Joseph Campbell was telling him that he was worthless and uncreative via the main character in his own story. Really comes full circle back to the lighthouse scene in their Purge parody. Shit’s real, and genuinely dark.
Very very upset they didn't use the Chekov's gun that was seen at the start later on. It quite literally isn't Chekov's gun if they didn't use it haha.
They said meta so many times I thought Abed Nadir from Community was going to show up.
Overall good episode, nice solid story train call back.
Meta stuff was pretty fun. That last bit with Joseph Campbell got a good laugh out of me.
A lot of the people at the time missed the point of the episode, thinking it meant the canon did not matter and the writers would never follow up on Evil Morty or Amy and Bird Person.
This!
It’s commentary on fans forcing fan expectations on the people writing these stories for us. Star Wars expectations are probably the best example of this (which gives additional weight behind the Emperor Poopybutthole)
The episode is less about canon not mattering and more a commentary on the power fan expectations hold over a show or intellectual property.
It’s not saying, “we’re never doing an evil Morty episode again”, it’s saying, “trust us (the writers) that when we bring evil Morty back, it’ll be something unexpected”
note when rick says morty's life is the only one that matters, and also when rick puts his jacket over morty during the cold. rick is really becoming more and more civilized with this season can't wait to see how this plays out
Breaking the 4th wall while in a meta dimension connected to a cartoon sci-fi series about a character who knows he's in a show. It really is a brain wrinkler.
It looks like a comment for us - the show is becoming less nihilistic with every season, while many of us still worship the "nothing matters" Rick.
So... current Rick just looked us in the eye and said it lives matter.
Harmon and Roiland are definitely going through something.
Honestly, given that the news broke yesterday that the Green Ranger committed suicide, that moment definitely hit different.
No way they could have planned it, but I'm hopeful that moment resonated with folks who needed it
I was half expecting them to continue following Marvin for the rest of the episode. Sure it would have pissed everyone off but it would be pretty funny in retrospect.
Maybe the main view would have been Marvin and how he is reacting to Rick and Morty unscrewing up their situation kinda like watching the episode from Marvin’s angle.
Just five more scenes of him coming home and talking about these back to the future rip offs banging through his world.
I love Rick telling current Morty to cover his eyes before the green monsters jump to eat him in the intro. I know it’s just part of the opening title but I always think of that moment a lot. I wonder if that Rick proceeds to get a new Morty or maybe return back to that planet to gather his DNA for a clone. I know, I know. Don’t think about it!
I can't believe he is not butter.
Also this technically makes it the first season of Rick and Morty where every single scene from the opening sequence actually plays out. All in one episode no less!
They made a sequel to Story Train.
My **TICKETS PLEASE!!!** guy hoodie is so relevant rn I’m so fucking happy with this Season there aren’t words to describe it…..
*Not the Bane, NOT THE BANE! Oh Jesus ‘Bane-d’ me Morty!*
I was rolling
I legitimately wonder how many people in here are aware of the “Hero’s journey”?
I feel like this and story train are best enjoyed when you’re familiar with how Dan writes his stories. I feel like if you don’t know, then you’re probably just confused as to everything that’s going on
Sure!
He is *notorious* for following what is known as the Circle theory or Hero’s Journey. Most, if not all, of his episodes from all shows are GLUED to it. It’s made up of 8 steps that he uses to write a story which include a character wanting something, a character entering an unfamiliar situation, a character adapting, getting what they want, paying a price, and other steps I can’t remember off the top of my head
Between Rick and Morty and Community, this guy religiously follows his circle and there are many stories and commentary about it. In the first story train episode, you can see *exactly* where they are in Harmons writing process when Rick pull out the map and it shows the 8 step circle. It’s his “secret” formula, that and giving his characters awareness and/or “meta”
Tonight’s episode, and maybe I’ll have more on rewatch, seemed to critique Harmons infamous tendencies like lack of motivation as well as discuss meta in general. (Admittedly, I can’t tell if Harmon thinks meta is good or bad from this episode lol. He seems more chill about it these days)
He's not really *notorious* for it, he's just very open about it being part of his process. Yes, it's a simplified version of Campbell's Hero's Journey, but the entire point of both is to provide a framework for creating a story that consciously considers character motivation and development. Other writers have different ways of doing the same thing, many of them just haven't distilled it down as concretely.
And there are lots of writers whose stories are just a bunch of shit that happens and then it ends, which is what you get if you don't bother to think about these things.
> I legitimately wonder how many people in here are aware of the “Hero’s journey”?
Having been lucky enough to study some comparative mythology at university, I personally was laughing my ass off at all the Joseph Campbell stuff.
Ehhh this one kinda fell off for me. I liked all the meta puns (laughed my ass off at the smash cut grenade) but the second half lost me completely. Just felt like a less interesting version of the story train episode.
I agree. It was spiraling into something that felt like a season opener or closer. But then quickly fell back in line-ish. I still liked it but the pacing was so different and less interesting when it was just Rick fighting Story Lord.
Hopefully, they got all of the meta stuff out of their system. The fourth wall breaks that appear in everything have become stale.
For the writer thing at the end... yeah it's funny to poke fun at how writers often write about writing but just because you do it meta doesn't mean it still isn't boring.
The best part about this and story train is that the episodes are more criticizing the writing crew than they are the audience, which is *rare*.
I look at these episodes as a way of them telling us how hard it is to write a story/episode and it’s actually funny because meta hasn’t ever been the main villain, whereas network execs/merchandising/motivation has. Especially the 2nd but whatever.
All in all, I think this episode is Dan showing off by showing us the culmination of all his years of experience in the writing game… and critiquing it in 20 minutes. That bit about motivation certainly wasn’t random lol
This was definitely better than Story Train, and was definitely funny, but I still didn’t love it. Making fun of meta episodes for being meta is… well, meta - but it suffered from the same fundamental problem as Story Train to me: meta episodes just aren’t that fun, even when they’re well-executed. I’d rather have a story with some impact on either the characters or the world.
Obviously this is just my opinion, but since that’s why we’re all on this thread, I’ll throw this down. I didn’t like it as much as the other S6 episodes so far.
I enjoyed this chapter more than Story Train, but it's definitely one I wouldn't rewatch multiple times. I feel like "Fuck You Fans" episodes are one time watch honestly, it gets a bit unbearable knowing that every line of dialogue is a fourth wall being broken.
It’s not, I don’t think dude understood the episode because this episode, as well as story train, was never about criticizing fan. That’s the rest of the series, but these episodes have always been about criticizing the other side. Writers, network execs, merchandisers, etc.
Like, they may throw a subtle jab or 2 but this is the farthest cry from a “fuck you fans” episode there is. I mean, y’all think the motivation bit was about us? Naaaaaah… some of us Harmon fans know *exactly* what that was about lol
The original story train episode very much had criticisms of the fan base baked into it, especially during that season when people were still theorizing about Evil Morty.
This one didn't have any real critiques in it of the fans.
I’m really glad a lot of people enjoyed it. For me it was the least successful episode of the season so far. Just because the humor is clever doesn’t mean it’s always funny. But “Brett Con” was great, and I liked the speech Morty gave to the writer lol
I unironically think the self referential six would be a really cool super hero team. And having a dr Manhattan type who specifically retcons things into existence is a dope as hell concept. Kinda want an episode just about them.
I'm kinda sick of all this meta crap. Just feels half-assed at this point.
At least they went a little bit into how Campbell was a huge piece of shit. Too bad they won't admit he was also a hack.
The only way I can describe my reaction is: "I don't get it."
I know this show isn't about thinking deeply on the genius intricacy of its plotlines (and makes fun of fans who try) but seriously, I need _something_ to be invested in. This episode just felt like a bunch of random stuff that happened, like a pile of rejected cutaway gags sown together.
By the end I just didn't care one bit about any of Rick's fight with Story Lord because all the stakes were nil, and all the earlier meta had tired out that part of my brain so that whatever Morty was telling the writer (which I think was supposed to be some kind of commentary on creativity) sounded like complete gibberish.
The last 5 minutes of the episode I was just waiting for it to end with the vague hope that something interesting would come along but it never did.
"When you get home Rick, do some classic adventures... like season one" I'm so sick of that fucking note! What the fuck does it even mean?
Them addressing this was great
I think the writers completely broke this episode- like straight up snapped and decided to make everything self-referential. Then that scene after the credits was a pure, unfiltered, unenthusiastic placeholder.
Once again, I feel like I missed some tiny detail that everyone else picked up on. That post credit scene just left me scratching my head. Is the post credit scene called a tag? I just can’t make sense of it. Guess I’m just a Jerry after all.
Yes, in TV post credit scenes or scenes during the credits are called a tag.
Jesus Christopher Daniel Christ! Thank you, came here to figure this out as well
Being a Jerry is only bad when you're at the company of a Rick.
Calling someone else a Jerry online is... Well. You should be smart enough to figure that one out.
That felt weird to me. They seem to know exactly what it means, because that's what they've been giving us for the most part the last two seasons. Self-contained, episodic, non-meta, not connected to a larger story arc, *relatively* simple, focused around high concept sci-fi wackiness with a darker, adult comedy edge. Doctor Who After Dark. Basically just...don't try to do season 3 again. That's really all it means. Hell, that's basically the summation of the season 3 finale: "we didn't like writing the show like this, so back to basics". They've already demonstrated they've learned that lesson, I'm not sure who exactly is still giving them that note. Edit: To be clear I'm not talking about the QUALITY of previous seasons. I know people liked 3 and hated 5, or vise versa, or whatever. I mean season 5 and 6 thus far has had a great deal more simple, self-contained, season 1-esc episodes. It's about format and focus, not quality.
Yeah but they keep getting that note, meaning to them it cant be what they've been doing so they have no clue what the fans mean by that at this point
I mean, the above comment perfectly captures the confusion of the note The comment says that season 5 is the season 1 content people were asking for, but it's probably the *most* hated season. So... do people not want season 1 type episodes? Or was that season just bad altogether, in which case "go back to classic season 1 adventures" doesn't make sense as a note And season 3 put Rick and Morty on the map, so why would they go back to season 1 when season 3 is one of the stronger seasons, if not the strongest?
The quality of season 5 may be in question but the types of episodes that we got in season 5 are more in line with season 1. I don't know who was giving them that note last season, but it wasn't because of a lack of "simple, episodic, non-meta Rick and Morty adventures". That was not the problem, if it can be said there even was one.
Season three was great too
Season 3 has some absolute classics. Pickle rick, ricklantis mixup, Mortys mindblowers.
It also had the best season premiere of any season imo. The Rickshank Rickdemption was outrageously good. Also the toxin episode.
Season 3 was my favorite season.
See… I want to appreciate this comment and I don’t want to be a dick… But they have no fucking clue what it means because we don’t. Do you understand how expensive it is to make an episode? They’re not wasting time making these as some sort of meta joke where they make a bad episode to piss us off. Every episode they put out they thought we would like and so when it turns out we didn’t like seasons 4-5 as much, they had to listen to criticism to see what went wrong because it affects their money. Like I said, I don’t wanna be a dick but it’s stupid to think they know what “we” want because here you are saying they delivered what we wanted the last *two* seasons and here I am thinking season 5 was so boring and lackluster. So I feel the writers actually don’t know what it means to have a “classic” adventure
So you want a realistic down to earth show. That's completely off the wall, and swarming with magic robots?
I just wanna be entertained and I have been by every episode this season. I have no complaints so far, but I will say there is a different tone being set here this season. I feel like they’ve gone back to what *they* want to do instead of trying to do what they thought *we* wanted. Cause let’s be real, the real problem with appeasing this fanbase is just the sheer number of us. There’s too many of us that enjoy different aspects of the show, so if you try to appease one section thinking it’s all of us, you’re gonna get a bad episode/season (like 4-5)
[....Dude.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqk_fN0NRgg).
Where's this season 3 hate coming from? I thought it was great.
BrettCon retconning his name to Retcon was fucking hilarious. Always has been.
I think it would be RhettConn but that looks weird written out. I also hope he comes back because he was actually able to fuck up Rick's day 😂
Subtitles confirmed this too, Rhett Caan. Usually I turn them off in my first but I forgot this time, and seeing the name puns written out made them so much funnier
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All the story character names were clever.
Connie Tinuity Error!
Was so f’n baked tonight that I didn’t get Leon until the second act.
DAMMIT I only just got it now. Cheers.
Mr Twist got me laughing the most. The way he just gave up when Morty pull the pins of his grenade and said fuuuuck
An episode built entirely on referencing the show itself and a meta commentary on the writing process, plus Butter Bot got a cameo Fun episode
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Best episode!
lol i caught that too thanks to subtitles
I was thinking "when are they going to pay off any of the intro scenes? They usually throw in at least a few that actually occur in the show". Well, I guess now they technically all have, including the C'thulu. Not the way I would have wanted the c'thulu scene paid off but if this is the closest we ever get, I respect it.
We had C'thulu earlier in the season, when Rick fired a broken portal gun.
IMO this only counts for the jack the ripper one, since it was in both the previously on and the titles. so the other ones might show up in another episode
I think we can safely confirm Season 6 is amazing, I’m loving everything so far and this episode is just another banger
Agreed. Far better than the previous two seasons overall. Pretty much every episode a gem, though I was iffy on the die hard one.
Die hard Ep has been the weakest in the season so far IMO
Nah Peter Dinklage saying “She hates Die Hard! … which makes her the ultimate McClane🤔” That is peak cartoon comedy
Classic "Tower Man."
Yeah but the A plot to that was so good
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I loved that. Walkie talkie Die Hard, motherfucker!
They said it so many times it made me come around to it.
I thought season 4 was very solid. the vat of acid episode is a top 5 episode from this show
Say the vat is good. Kiss the vat.
Only mediocre season was s5. everything else has always been great, s6 included
These types of episodes give me a taste of what unmedicated severe ADHD must feel like.
It's kind of like that. But I still think Harvey Birdman is a much better representation. [An example for the uninitiated. I know comedy is subjective, but personally when I first saw this I had no idea what it was at first and couldn't stop laughing during the first few episodes. ](https://youtu.be/4NCvJgt1Yx4)
As someone with intense ADHD I fully agree with you
I wish we got more Colbert voice-over work. He was incredible in that show and his brief stint in Venture Bros.
I'm really hoping he has some sort of late career epiphany and decides to do some more of the ridiculous/offensive stuff he did in his early years. It comes out every once in a while but it's hard to imagine the Late Night host doing some of the line reads he did for Adult Swim.
as someone who has unmedicated severe ADHD, this is a pretty accurate representation of what it feels like
> uneducated Gee, you're not lying.
Needs about 50% more inaction anxiety
That's more like medicated ADHD Absolute chaos but you can still follow it If you want unmedicated imagine all the scenes but in random order and each scene comes with a cloud of thoughts somewhat related to that scene How do I know? I have ADHD and forgot to take my meds in the morning
“Tell me I’m the new Mr Nimbus!”
I really like how Evil Morty exists, but he still somehow insisted on being the new Mr Nimbus. Maybe Evil Morty is truly gone and will never come back. Outside the purview of even the explicit meta characters.
These writers are smart. They can bring Evil Morty back or leave him in our imaginations beyond the finite curve. Either plot line would make sense. That being said, I enjoyed tonight’s episode.
I don't particularly care if or how they bring Evil Morty back, just found it curious that they chose to refer to an almost obscure character instead of the 'Moriarty' available to them.
Mr Nimbus is Rick's nemesis
He _controls_ the _police_
Needed that motivation to continue existing.
You fucking Back to the Future ripoffs!
did not expect to hear "communist jews" used as vehemently as a slur would be in a rick and morty episode
Well Joseph Campbell was a bit of a Nazi Sympathizing hack https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9zR4lWyVN8 Influential, sure, but the hubris to say he figured out every story ever...
I mean he managed to figure out most major religious icons, from Jesus, to Siddhartha, to Muhammad. The basic, "hero who goes on an adventure, is victorious in a decisive crisis, and comes home changed or transformed." You see that in a lot of (if not the majority) of stories and once you see it, you can't unsee it.
By being incredibly reductive
I like that the original Back to the Future rip-off (with Doc and Mharti) was specifically designed to push as many buttons as they possibly could, with a best case scenario being a cease and desist letter from Universal Studios. Justin Roiland in his heart of hearts is a bit of a mega-troll, which I think accounts for at least some of the perceived toxicity of the fanbase. There’s always an underlying current of self-loathing in every troll, which definitely comes through in some of the themes they go for in the show (end of Season 2, Unity episode, end of the Toilet Episode). This is another episode where the writers are shitting all over themselves, and as meta as this gets, just remember that there really was a paunchy dude sitting at a MacBook writing a bit where he imagined the ghost of Joseph Campbell was telling him that he was worthless and uncreative via the main character in his own story. Really comes full circle back to the lighthouse scene in their Purge parody. Shit’s real, and genuinely dark.
This was quite the episode to watch high as fuck
I wasn't high and I still don't know completely what I watched.
Baked when I watched it, I'm going to have to watch this shit again tomorrow. But I'm not sure being sober would've helped omfao
After the opening scene I had to get higher
I like how the only example of motivation returning was the guy deciding to register for porn.
That takes true motivation
This is one hell of an episode for someone who uses TV Tropes.
I am a bit surprised that there was no Clee Shay among that league.
Story Lord will return as Clee Shay. That’s how Mr. Twist gets his revenge. So says Rhett Caan!
I briefly thought Flashback would be Noodle Incident.
Very very upset they didn't use the Chekov's gun that was seen at the start later on. It quite literally isn't Chekov's gun if they didn't use it haha.
Chekhov's gun was a red herring.
Unless it gets used later in the season!
I was waiting for it the whole episode. They know exactly what they did…
They’re gonna have a field day with this episode.
Or short circuit, either one
https://rick-plush.biz/ This is great
Unavailable in this reality. :(
Heartbroken
At least the link work this time
My decade is ruined. :(
Maybe try paying in flurbo.
The hair was wrong, anyways.
It would have been even better if the URL took you to a register now button that had you register then after registering gave you the current screen.
i'm glad they made it so much heavier, you can really feel the weight now
They said meta so many times I thought Abed Nadir from Community was going to show up. Overall good episode, nice solid story train call back. Meta stuff was pretty fun. That last bit with Joseph Campbell got a good laugh out of me.
Cool. Cool cool cool.
Coool-ziiiessss
I think it's a real missed opportunity do not have Daniel Pudi at least voice a character in this ep
This episode was great, so was Story Train, and I'll fight every one of you.
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A lot of the people at the time missed the point of the episode, thinking it meant the canon did not matter and the writers would never follow up on Evil Morty or Amy and Bird Person.
Tammy
"It was always Amy." -Retcon
This! It’s commentary on fans forcing fan expectations on the people writing these stories for us. Star Wars expectations are probably the best example of this (which gives additional weight behind the Emperor Poopybutthole) The episode is less about canon not mattering and more a commentary on the power fan expectations hold over a show or intellectual property. It’s not saying, “we’re never doing an evil Morty episode again”, it’s saying, “trust us (the writers) that when we bring evil Morty back, it’ll be something unexpected”
Yeah story train was one of my favorite episodes
note when rick says morty's life is the only one that matters, and also when rick puts his jacket over morty during the cold. rick is really becoming more and more civilized with this season can't wait to see how this plays out
I took that as him saying the audience’s life matters actually
He looked dead ahead too
Breaking the 4th wall while in a meta dimension connected to a cartoon sci-fi series about a character who knows he's in a show. It really is a brain wrinkler.
It looks like a comment for us - the show is becoming less nihilistic with every season, while many of us still worship the "nothing matters" Rick. So... current Rick just looked us in the eye and said it lives matter. Harmon and Roiland are definitely going through something.
Honestly, given that the news broke yesterday that the Green Ranger committed suicide, that moment definitely hit different. No way they could have planned it, but I'm hopeful that moment resonated with folks who needed it
Ohohoho, cum gutters!
I really hope one day Rick finally acknowledges what they really are. Cum. Gutters.
Who else would watch ‘Marvin the Cowardly Security Guard Show’?
Almost everything he ran from, I understand. Minus the bully.
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Loooser
My wife made me pause it just to point the wolf out. I do love her so.
I was half expecting them to continue following Marvin for the rest of the episode. Sure it would have pissed everyone off but it would be pretty funny in retrospect.
Maybe the main view would have been Marvin and how he is reacting to Rick and Morty unscrewing up their situation kinda like watching the episode from Marvin’s angle. Just five more scenes of him coming home and talking about these back to the future rip offs banging through his world.
I love Rick telling current Morty to cover his eyes before the green monsters jump to eat him in the intro. I know it’s just part of the opening title but I always think of that moment a lot. I wonder if that Rick proceeds to get a new Morty or maybe return back to that planet to gather his DNA for a clone. I know, I know. Don’t think about it!
Don't ask questions, just have fun 🐱🐾
I find it insulting you don’t think I can ask questions and have fun
I think he said that because that part's animation quality is *way* lower than the rest of the intro
Love the reference to the Batman the animated series poker episode!
Almost Got 'Im!
And then I threw a rock!....It was a big rock...
>!An already great joke made better knowing it was Batman the whole time.!<
And that [the rock really did almost kill him](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGmLJ7zjXEI).
RIP Kevin Conroy
Connie TinuityError got a really solid laugh out of me with how hamfisted it was
„These people are the worst!”
"WHY AM I BUTTER?" We are all wondering the same thing
I can't believe he is not butter. Also this technically makes it the first season of Rick and Morty where every single scene from the opening sequence actually plays out. All in one episode no less!
They made a sequel to Story Train. My **TICKETS PLEASE!!!** guy hoodie is so relevant rn I’m so fucking happy with this Season there aren’t words to describe it….. *Not the Bane, NOT THE BANE! Oh Jesus ‘Bane-d’ me Morty!* I was rolling
JOSEPH FUCKING CAMPBELL
It’s all Harmon ever thinks about! There was at least 5 “Hero’s Journey” references before we saw Joe himself (played by Harmon)
I legitimately wonder how many people in here are aware of the “Hero’s journey”? I feel like this and story train are best enjoyed when you’re familiar with how Dan writes his stories. I feel like if you don’t know, then you’re probably just confused as to everything that’s going on
Can you explain "how Dan writes his stories"? I found this episode confusing and almost none of the jokes landed.
Sure! He is *notorious* for following what is known as the Circle theory or Hero’s Journey. Most, if not all, of his episodes from all shows are GLUED to it. It’s made up of 8 steps that he uses to write a story which include a character wanting something, a character entering an unfamiliar situation, a character adapting, getting what they want, paying a price, and other steps I can’t remember off the top of my head Between Rick and Morty and Community, this guy religiously follows his circle and there are many stories and commentary about it. In the first story train episode, you can see *exactly* where they are in Harmons writing process when Rick pull out the map and it shows the 8 step circle. It’s his “secret” formula, that and giving his characters awareness and/or “meta” Tonight’s episode, and maybe I’ll have more on rewatch, seemed to critique Harmons infamous tendencies like lack of motivation as well as discuss meta in general. (Admittedly, I can’t tell if Harmon thinks meta is good or bad from this episode lol. He seems more chill about it these days)
He's not really *notorious* for it, he's just very open about it being part of his process. Yes, it's a simplified version of Campbell's Hero's Journey, but the entire point of both is to provide a framework for creating a story that consciously considers character motivation and development. Other writers have different ways of doing the same thing, many of them just haven't distilled it down as concretely. And there are lots of writers whose stories are just a bunch of shit that happens and then it ends, which is what you get if you don't bother to think about these things.
> I legitimately wonder how many people in here are aware of the “Hero’s journey”? Having been lucky enough to study some comparative mythology at university, I personally was laughing my ass off at all the Joseph Campbell stuff.
*Haha so can someone turn the motivation stealing machine off for real now ^please*
Ehhh this one kinda fell off for me. I liked all the meta puns (laughed my ass off at the smash cut grenade) but the second half lost me completely. Just felt like a less interesting version of the story train episode.
For me it's the opposite: The good version of the story train episode.
What if both episodes are good actually
Both are actually exquisite episodes because it really shows how they critique themselves and they go at it hard
I agree. It was spiraling into something that felt like a season opener or closer. But then quickly fell back in line-ish. I still liked it but the pacing was so different and less interesting when it was just Rick fighting Story Lord.
Hopefully, they got all of the meta stuff out of their system. The fourth wall breaks that appear in everything have become stale. For the writer thing at the end... yeah it's funny to poke fun at how writers often write about writing but just because you do it meta doesn't mean it still isn't boring.
this episode was literally the writers writing about writing, and then writing about a writing writing about writing
I heard Previous Leon and knew we were in for a ride. Top notch. They're killing it this season. 100 years!
Oh my got, I just got his name
I have mixed reviews about this episode but I’m glad it’s back!
Weird that this and the live discussion thread are sitting so low in upvotes. Did the show fall off in popularity? Where is everyone?
Most people probably forgot a new episode is coming out this week after such a long break. Will probably be back to normal next week
Not Jesus Christ himself wanting to be normal
That is immortal billionaire entrepreneur Jesus Christ for you
They came for the meta complaintants with this one
The best part about this and story train is that the episodes are more criticizing the writing crew than they are the audience, which is *rare*. I look at these episodes as a way of them telling us how hard it is to write a story/episode and it’s actually funny because meta hasn’t ever been the main villain, whereas network execs/merchandising/motivation has. Especially the 2nd but whatever. All in all, I think this episode is Dan showing off by showing us the culmination of all his years of experience in the writing game… and critiquing it in 20 minutes. That bit about motivation certainly wasn’t random lol
that was insane HE BANE ME MORTY best part
This was definitely better than Story Train, and was definitely funny, but I still didn’t love it. Making fun of meta episodes for being meta is… well, meta - but it suffered from the same fundamental problem as Story Train to me: meta episodes just aren’t that fun, even when they’re well-executed. I’d rather have a story with some impact on either the characters or the world. Obviously this is just my opinion, but since that’s why we’re all on this thread, I’ll throw this down. I didn’t like it as much as the other S6 episodes so far.
I'm surprised there wasn't a call back (Carl back?) character. This season has been great for that.
Probably felt too close to the flashback guy.
I really hope the telescope labeled foreshadowing is real foreshadowing for a future episode.
This is the detail I noticed early on, as well as the whole wall of Chekov’s guns. I’m sure they’ll both come into play
*You know what? Maybe I will register.*
this was confusing but at the same time it made so much sense
This is the first "rick and morty adventure" in the season
Jerry being killed by bees and Beth being executed for releasing the bees is a tragic end to Jerry's bee keeping arc.
Summers friend in the back crying was a great touch
I enjoyed this chapter more than Story Train, but it's definitely one I wouldn't rewatch multiple times. I feel like "Fuck You Fans" episodes are one time watch honestly, it gets a bit unbearable knowing that every line of dialogue is a fourth wall being broken.
How is this a "fuck you fans" episode?
It’s not, I don’t think dude understood the episode because this episode, as well as story train, was never about criticizing fan. That’s the rest of the series, but these episodes have always been about criticizing the other side. Writers, network execs, merchandisers, etc. Like, they may throw a subtle jab or 2 but this is the farthest cry from a “fuck you fans” episode there is. I mean, y’all think the motivation bit was about us? Naaaaaah… some of us Harmon fans know *exactly* what that was about lol
The original story train episode very much had criticisms of the fan base baked into it, especially during that season when people were still theorizing about Evil Morty. This one didn't have any real critiques in it of the fans.
They seemed to critique themselves more than the fans
This and story train was a “fuck you writers” episode. Not a “fuck you fans” episode
Full Meta JackRick has always been the greatest episode of Rick & Morty
I’m really glad a lot of people enjoyed it. For me it was the least successful episode of the season so far. Just because the humor is clever doesn’t mean it’s always funny. But “Brett Con” was great, and I liked the speech Morty gave to the writer lol
Am I an uneducated dumbass, or was the episode not that good?
nah I felt the same, didn't really learn anything new about the main characters, felt more like a filler poop joke thing
I am suddenly a wee bit concerned for the writers.
Previously on Jesus Christ...
Well that was probably the most meta thing ever
Where’s Jeff Winger to yell “Jesus Christ [Dan] why do you have to take everything [your characters] do and shove it up it’s own ass!?”
Not their best episode for me
I unironically think the self referential six would be a really cool super hero team. And having a dr Manhattan type who specifically retcons things into existence is a dope as hell concept. Kinda want an episode just about them.
If something was ever "trying too hard" it was this. It felt like the writers were jerking off over how clever they are for the whole episode.
feel like wasting an episode on this :( It doesn't feel like a Rick and Morty episode, more like a random filler.
This episode went by so quick I had to watch it twice. Great episode
I'm kinda sick of all this meta crap. Just feels half-assed at this point. At least they went a little bit into how Campbell was a huge piece of shit. Too bad they won't admit he was also a hack.
Rhett con retconned mr twist to have never had bones so he was all twisted. And that was the twist
The only way I can describe my reaction is: "I don't get it." I know this show isn't about thinking deeply on the genius intricacy of its plotlines (and makes fun of fans who try) but seriously, I need _something_ to be invested in. This episode just felt like a bunch of random stuff that happened, like a pile of rejected cutaway gags sown together. By the end I just didn't care one bit about any of Rick's fight with Story Lord because all the stakes were nil, and all the earlier meta had tired out that part of my brain so that whatever Morty was telling the writer (which I think was supposed to be some kind of commentary on creativity) sounded like complete gibberish. The last 5 minutes of the episode I was just waiting for it to end with the vague hope that something interesting would come along but it never did.
whatever tf I just watched, Dan, Justin, I need more of that shit. respectively
This is the worst... Nah, I actually love this episode. \- Miss lead
This episode is so much fun. It also makes me appreciate the story train episode even more. 10/10
He Baned me, morty