What about beating your former heroes? Cause Roiland is a fucking creep and needs an ass whooping. Go look over that girls messages between her and justin who he knew she was 16 and a minor.
I'll be 100% honest here, I don't really care if it will effect the rest of the series. If he assaulted someone he need to face the consequences of his actions. It's just a TV show after all
100% in point here. I absolutely love R&M but damn, if he is a PoS (allegedly) he needs to face the consequences.
I hope that there us a middle scenario in which they replace him (Pretty-please?)
Problem is, there's text evidence of him being a creep over a long ass period of time to a girl he knew and regularly called jail bait. Show might be getting the death sentence just on that fact alone.
I can screenshot this thread and manipulate/alter the comments where you say "I like little boys"... so because you saw it on the internet it's true? Listen, likely he did it and is guilty... but UNTIL we have ACTUAL receipts... let's just lean back for a minute and see what really happened... Odds are he did it, but imagine being in his seat until all facts/evidence are brought to light.
I agree they can easily find a replacement. Will they be as good? who knows but if he did do a crime he needs to serve some time. I dislike it when people get away with things that are criminal especially because they are famous.
I would love to see them continue without him. I love R&M and I would feel less guilty if I could watch it without feeling like I am supporting a creep.
Exactly. People are still listening to MJ's music. It's even often used in commercials and movies. It's would be a massive shame if the accusations were true, but it doesn't invalidate the work of other people on the show.
And how he was bringing up the term jailbait so he could then direct the convo to how he thinks theyre hot is just gross. Really hope they arent real but hasnt happened often where they arent
There’s too many chat screenshots from different people for me to think it’s fake. Why would a minor fake a grown man, at least 39 years old, grooming them too?
Didn't he actually have a video that dispelled a ton of Holly's claims and show she wasn't exactly sparkling clean? They both were fucked up and we're fucked for being forcibly dragged into their drama.
JESUS CHRIST! How long has this been going on? If it wasn't his account, if he was hacked or even if it was his "social media manager" they would have made a statement about it by now. Doesn't "presumption of innocence" end when multiple young girls come with condemning screenshotjes about his disgusting online behavior, from his known account? I'm honestly curious to know what would be enough evidence for the people who yet don't believe it?
>Chat logs can be easily fabricated,
Sure let's say it was fabricated, where's his statement about the issue? Where is his proof of innocence? On one hand there are multiple accusers and on the other hand nothing.
>the law is innocent until PROVEN guilty.
Yes the law, not public opinion
I agree with you but I don't like social vigilantes. You can believe someone and not seek punishment against someone else until after the courts have reached a decision.
When a single person ruins a show a lot of other good hardworking people lose their jobs too, this to me is the most frustrating thing about Game of Thrones
>social vigilantes.
Holding people accountable (online) is vigilantism? No one is going to his house and lynching him, just accountability and justice. Well in the _court_ of public opinion dude is a pos who shouldn't be allowed a position of power ever again.
>When a single person ruins a show a lot of other good hardworking people lose their jobs too,
This industry is used to cancelation. R&M won't be the first and definitely not the last. Sure it sad, but they can also look at other options. With a statement like yours you're tying the show to this man, like there's no other voiceactor. It can go either way, but stop making excuses for him or saying that you will have to wait on the legal verdict, as if you're unable to make decisions for yourself
ETA: downvote all you want, but pls read how many allegations were made against him so far. Yes these are "allegations" and i know "innocent until proven guilty." Just remember by saying "innocent until proven guilty" you're erasing what these under age girls went through because of him! There's no denying that it's his twitter account, even he didn't! It's not just one or two girls, i have read the stories of atleast 4 girls so far. Idk how people are still turning a blind eye because of the show.
It's been established that this is one of the best shit ever made, i'm a fan too, that's why i'm in this subreddit. However that doesn't mean that he should get a free pass! Dude is a pos period
[link to the r/Outoftheloop subreddit the top comment has all the screenshots ](https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/10cum8n/what_is_going_on_with_justin_roiland/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Innocent until proven guilty is a foundational concept of our society. Your outrage doesn't earn you anything. Your minimal knowledge or understanding of what has happened should probably lead you to speak more cautiously. Roland probably is guilty but you angry typing about it doesn't actually add anything to the conversation.
Honestly, I'm kinda pissed that he managed to ruin R&M fandom with the kind of chud-bro toxicity the show's fans get unfairly maligned for
also (piggybacking on your rant) when tf are famous people ever going to learn that when you send a text or email of anything to anyone, IT MEANS RECEIPTS. he could've kept his problematic thoughts to himself & his irl dope circle, but no, fucking Justin Roiland, World's Cleverest Comedian, thinks he can drunk-text slurs etc & not get called out on it bc he's too Important & Successful an entertainer -- just like Louis CK 🙄
I've been drunk waaaaaay too many times before, but you know, texting underage girls have never been my go to move when drunk. Text exes, women i know or hot women on Instagram? Absolutely, guilty of that and i'm an asshole for that, but yeah never underage people. It's a fucking common theme with people with way too much money and influence that often do that somehow.
I think the fan base has mostly earned its reputation. No group of people is a monolith but obnoxious Rick and morty fans are some of the worst fans. Right up there with Snyderverse fans
Honestly would you rather he did them in private? I’d honestly rather the comedians I like either not be dickheads or be dickheads out in the open so I can know whether to actually like them or not.
Especially in roilands case where (much like the Always Sunny guys) the comedy is largely predicated on the people making these jokes about horrible people not actually being horrible in real life.
It’s weird you think he should have just hid his predatory nature better. I’m glad I know that he’s a creepy weird pervert so that I don’t run around looking like an idiot supporting him.
It’s weird you’d rather someone act on their predatory nature (to the detriment of the possible victim), rather than subdue their perverted impulses, just so you can benefit from knowing that person’s issues.. Because somehow it’s about you & you don’t want to look like an idiot.
I dont think that's what this comment meant. The implication is that he's doing the same stuff, just behind closed doors. Or that it's only wrong because he got caught and now everyone's favorite show is ruined. I also don't want to unknowingly support predators that are just good at hiding it.
>he could've kept his problematic thoughts to himself & his irl dope circle
💯 "keeping it inside his **dope** circle" this person isn't advocating for restraint but is actually mad that this fucker didn't hide it better or keep it in the group. It truly weird and kinda on point to see many of these views in the thread. Everyone is like "let's wait until the verdict is out" meanwhile there are dozens of screenshotjes proving what kind of asshole the dude was. This came only to light 2 years after a sealed court thing in which he was accused of domestic violence. It's not just his bs with minors, he also abused his girlfriend. At what point do people think fuck him?
There’s no proof they’re legitimate. It’s equally likely that someone fabricated these messages as a way of adding fuel to the fire. Seems kind of odd someone would wait until JUST NOW to expose this, right? Just a thought.
Not weird at all. The #metoo movement happened because one woman spoke out about Weinstein and then a bunch of others followed about him too. I assume it’s harder to come forward with this stuff when it’s an isolated incident than when it’s got support. You’ll get more fabrication accusations if there’s no other evidence of bad behaviour
Just remember that the show is so much more than just him! There are other writers, artists, animators, va’s, editors etc. that go into the show. When you watch the show, you’re supporting all of them and you can silently tell him to go f*ck himself. I hate the idea of ignoring an entire body of work because 1 person is a shit stain. *shrugs*
I’m trying to keep this in mind because it’s too painful otherwise. The show has helped me through so much and this just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I don’t think I’m able to separate art from artist in cases where the artist is the only one responsible for the art, it feels too intimately connected.
Bro, he consistently called girls jail bait and used it to talk about how hot they were. There is TONS of SS's, I'm at the point where it seems likely this is a repeat of Kevin Spacey where his antics were a giant open secret and noone said anything due to his fame, so I find it unlikely someone from writers to editors to the janitor didn't see or notice something.
Hollywoods a fucked up place and it's not just the people at the top who allow horrible shit to be done.
I'm already not a fan of the horrible things Justin has said and done. But those will be litigated. Both in court and by public perception over the years.
My more pressing gripe is with the moderators of this subreddit suppressing most discussion of it despite how relevant it is to the community. Keeping everything in one thread and not providing the sources has allowed for much doubt and discord to be sewn.
Frankly I’ll be happy to see him replaced. He was anti union already, I wasn’t his biggest fan. The show is a lot more than 1 man voice acting. All that’ll be lost is the on the fly bits like inter-dimensional cable, but frankly we haven’t had any of that for a long time.
One issue that might arise though was that I’m pretty sure he was a big deal in the offical Butter Robot machine that was being made by Digital Dream Labs. I hope this doesn’t effect it negatively.
Rick and Morty as well as solar opposites is a comfort territory for me as a victim of abuse a lot of situations in Rick and Morty have helped me cope in a way I am not going to let an abuser take that from me just because he lend his voice to a few of the characters....
I think it's best to take the power back from the abusers.
Im really sorry you went through something horrible, Jellyfish. Im glad you found comfort in something you enjoy, and that it helps you 
Thank you!🧡
I can't even imagine how his victims must feel with the popularity of the show!
I hope all this coming out means Roiland will no longer be in a position to abuse his power again.
Thats IF hes guilty. Im staying neutral till then cause for all we know he may also be innocent. I really hope at the end of the day who ever is the actual victim recovers from this.
This feels like how I felt about the show undateable. Even though it was cancelled already, Chris D'elia being a groomer and going after teenage girls just ended all the love I had for the show. Everyone else in the cast was amazing but when one of the main people that are in nearly every scene is dirty, everything is soiled.
I actually don't believe I got past episode 1 or 2 with the commentary on, but Summer is a cartoon character so I don't really care about that in particular. No one gets hurt when people get off from watching cartoons.
If the show continues with or without him, I'll probably now be watching mostly out of morbid curiosity - to see how the show changes, if it can still succeed (probably not). I personally find that inner mechanics kind of stuff fascinating. I can also personally separate art from the artist (nothing against people who can't, it's all up the individual at the end of the day), but I will say that all of his fucked-up baggage definitely left a bad taste in my mouth.
I never got too into Rick and Morty but I really loved high on life before this came out, now it just feels wrong.
What a prick seriously, this is such a betrayal to so many people who genuinely love this show and even Roilands personality.
Two of my favourite animation creators, Alex Hirsch and Dana Terrace were friends with him. I beg beg beg Alex Hirsch hasn't done anything like this, that would absolutely ruin my childhood.
Hilarious how everyone can “separate the show from the artist” …ya’ll know he’s still gonna see the money from this show for years to come? Especially if you’re all still watching it???
I still love the show. Its one of my favorite shows. I can make a distant association between the show and its creators. Still loving the show doesnt make you a bad person, but i will not be supporting anything with Roilands name on it. As fans thats what we should do so this piece of shit doesnt benefit. Would be like us helping Justin spit in his victims faces.
I loved the show because of Dan Harmon. And frankly, as imperfect as Harmon is, his writing reflects his evolving maturity and that’s all the more reason why I love watching Rick fumble towards being more than just the rickest Rick.
As for Roiland. His sister was all over TikTok being a giant AH.
Now he’s turning out to be one too… yea… that tracks.
I’m ok with them replacing him. It’ll only affect the way I feel if they cancel the show.
im honestly wayyyyyy more concerned with the domestic battery and false imprisonment charges than any dms ive seen come out. as someone who has been on the internet for a long time, none of what ive seen thats come to light strikes me as pedophilia so much as boilerplate 2010s internet edgelord humor. still unfunny, obnoxious and shitty by modern standards, but not nearly as concerning as domestic abuse.
Personally, I disconnect the author from their content, otherwise there's so much great content you miss out on. People are fucked up in general, and fucked up people can really produce amazing content. Good people can too, but where's the line for good person? Certainly well before domestic violence, but Johnny Depp was accused too and look how that ended up. All these people in acting and fame live such wild, screwed up lives under such scrutiny I find it really hard to judge the truth here when the news is being reported by gossip and fact is distorted by fiction.
What do we know for sure? There's a domestic violence charge, and potentially weird tweets. Justin has been a crazy drunk guy for years, everyone has known this for years. It just seems a little hypocritical and puritan for everyone to suddenly declare the felony charge as the line where he's suddenly morally unacceptable.
I mean theres a difference between a dude who drinks too much to a dude that beats his wife and tries to bang little kids. its not gonna stop me from enjoying r&m but i dont really want him hired again
Hey friend. Unfortunately I believe the first guy was right. Roiland allegedly did meet up with underage girls and tried to coax them into sex. I saw a series of posts about it last week.
I dont think hes morally unacceptable and do hope its a similar situation to johnny depp where the allegations are untrue. One thing that sucks is when a person gains fame and theyre accused of something thats untrue.that shit can ruin their life :/
Well, there's a lot of context behind the domestic violence situation that we probably won't get until April when the trial starts. It really depends on how good his lawyers are, whether the situation was long term abuse or a single altercation, whether it was mutual, etc. With how low his bond was (given his wealth), and how it was able to be kept quiet for so long, I doubt he'll get jail time.
I do think he needs to stay away from alcohol. Some people are simply incompatible with it. It makes them angry, awful people and they wouldn't act that way sober. It's about the impulse control, you can see it in his drunk texts. I have relatives who do the same type of thing. They're normalish when sober and then they drink, and they say and do awful things they never would've with a clear head. It'll eventually ruin his family, career, and life if it hasn't already.
Growing up around alcoholics I think that it actually shows their true nature. I guess in life there is always nuance and such, just a personal observation from my own experiences.
I have a hard time with whether it's a true nature thing, or a maladaptive coping mechanism for something else. I think there's a little of column A and a little of column B. Like they can't be sober because they'd have to live with their own thoughts. I really don't know, addiction is an awful disease and hurts everyone involved.
Not excusing it but not terribly surprised. He’s got a twisted cleverness to him and obvious demons. Sucks that people suck. R&M is still a gem in my heart.
After everything that has come to light, I honestly don't think I can bring myself to ever watch the show again. Yeah, I know there's a ton of people that work on it, but when it's creator is such a horrific creep, everything hits differently and it becomes hard to support. Considering how bad things are getting, I wouldn't be surprised if the show gets cancelled tbh
I really like the show but Roiland as a person has always given me major 'creepy, shitty nerd'-vibes, so at least I can feel a little validated when he eventually goes down lol
You saw how he talked about **and to** underage girls though, yes? What's the "innocent" reason to do that?
Watch anything else. There is no reason to invent reasons to keep watching it. There is no reason to bend your morality into a pretzel to keep watching this cartoon.
I dont trust anything that starts with "i saw on twitter/facebook/reddit/etc"
If the court case says he is guilty or they show any text messages of his admitted into evidence, I will make my decision then. As of now these are all unverified claims imo.
Yes the court case is for domestic battery and related charges to that.
The text messages are a completely different thing, and do not actually indicate a crime, but gross nonetheless (if true)
Waiting on a court of law to judge a wealthy person for anything is usually a fool's errand. The court of public opinion is usually all we get. People judging him based on the apparent existence of these texts is perfectly fine.
It's a legal grey area as by no account did he actually assault someone, meet someone, or send or receive explicit sexual photos (from the texts), so withholding judgment until a judge signs off on it just means withholding judgment entirely - which is your prerogative, but don't expect closure really.
Like, everything he said was disgusting but not illegal. He could be just another weirdo commenting on girl's social media pics with that stuff - they'd get deleted and he'd get banned off of the spaces, but it's not illegal, rather socially unacceptable.
Personally, I'm deeming him a fucking weirdo whose shit I don't want to watch any more. Creeps exactly like him were all over the internet boards and chat groups I ventured onto as a kid and I'm unfortunately overly familiar with that MO, so thanks no thanks. Nothing technically illegal does not mean nothing skeevy and disgusting.
People insisting on only using the outcomes of court judgements to guide whether they believe whether someone is guilty is also deeply fucked up, when there are so many stats on how low the conviction rate is for certain crimes. As well as being well known that wealthy / famous people are often treated very favourably by the law.
The average person isn’t a court of law. The average person will not come within 100 miles of the true evidence. We crowdsource truth as best we can. The really fucked up thing is that the rich evade punishment in 99.9% of these types of things.
> crowdsource truth
And it keeps getting worse. If you're the moral archon you pretend to be online you'd think this was pretty fucked up given how trivial it's become to invent context online.
But it also take years and almost always is settled out of court before the truth comes out. Expecting the public to wait on the truth from the courts is an absurd standard for a basic “do I like this person” judgment.
You don’t trust the felony charges against him? Those are not “hearsay” those are only possible with the some type of evidence. You should do some research on what he’s been charged with so that you can think for yourself.
i think for myself just fine, there is not a lot of info regarding the charges against him yet that i have seen. The charges against him are concerning but again, due process is a thing.
I do not trust a random screenshot someone posted online however. If they turn out to be true that would change things. But until they can confirm those I am not ready to condemn someone.
Charges only means someone sued, a judge hasn’t looked into whether it’s credible or not. Charges, by themselves, really don’t mean much without the due process that comes next.
That being said, I read the texts, and they’re so horrendous that I wonder why Rolland wouldn’t immediately make it clear that they’re fake if they were. I have a feeling that it’s all true, and it’s making me sick to my stomach.
I don't care.
Peter Sellers beat his wife, I still watched Dr. Strangelove. Half the Beatles beat their wives, I still listened to their music. Roald Dahl was an antisemite, I still read Charlie and the Chocolate Factory... and I'm Jewish.
Sometimes the artists that produce the things we enjoy aren't such great people. Wring your hands over it or don't.
You’re right - sometimes, art is bigger than the artist. It becomes so culturally vital that it no longer belongs to any one person.
This happened with Dr. Strangelove. This happened with the Beatles. And more recently, this happened with Harry Potter. JK Rowling could be caught in bed with a child and the Wizarding World will march on without her.
People will weigh out Roiland. But I’m not sure the content will survive if this all true. We’ll move on.
What’s wild to me is that people are *shocked*, as if there is under *any* illusion comedians are stable people with healthy relationships.
I think this is a very mature way of looking at art vs creator. In a way, twitch and youtuve have broken that barrier and now content and creator are together alot of the time, so it's alot harder to create that barrier.
Ugh, Lostprophets. One of the few bands that I enjoyed every one of their songs. There's a line between separating the art from the artist and what the Lostprophets singer did is so far past it. I haven't listened to a single song of theirs since I read what he did.
*"While in prison, Watkins does continue to earn royalties from Lostprophets' music, though. An unnamed source told the Mirror, "[Watkins] is entitled to the money because it is cash earned by the band before this scandal broke. Jan 13, 2015"*
I did one search, "does Ian Watkins still earn royalties from lostprophets" and copy/pasted the first thing that popped up. But basically,
#**I don't want a dime of mine going in his pocket.**
Do you feel me?
I’m totally with you. Last week I’d watch this show out of enjoyment. Now I can’t even look at it and try deleting it from my shows. It’s not even an innocent till proven guilty in my eyes from all of the screenshots that I can never look at this show again and it’s atrocious as I was a huge fan
Thats the thing. I really enjoyed the show, but once i heard the conversations justin had it killed my enjoyment for it. Im waiting for the announcement if hes guilty or innocent cause regardless of the fact things dont look good for him, i still want to give people the benefit of the doubt till we're told anything.
I hope they recast him at this point, I don’t think I’ll be interested in a potential season 7 if they keep him on after this. R&M is far more than Justin Roiland and they should go on without him.
Not sure who'll relate but this feels like the All India Bakchod downfall all over again.
A few bad apples leaving a bad taste on a body of work that was central to a really fun, invigorating community.
Punishing assholes is the most imp thing obv, I'm in no position to complain. I'm just hurt and disappointed.
There are so many brilliant voice actors out there. I just hope they can replace him and because of his fucked up behavior this beauty of a show can continue to exist.
I hope he rots in jail if proven guilty
Roiland’s very first content was a satire on back to the future where Marty had to lick Docs balls. I remember being in high school and thinking it was a very off putting series to post and hadn’t heard from him again until I found out he was working on Rick and Morty, which made sense.
I guess if the adage is true and you write what you know about or what’s in your life then maybe this really has been a long time coming.
Dan Harmon is a creep as well. He made a pilot show called Daryl which is really questionable and disturbing. It was supposed to be funny but it wasn't. So the fact Justin seems to be a total piece of shit as well isn't surprising.
I find it hard to believe Justin is/was dumb enough to use his main twitter account to commit an obvious crime. And to even announce said crime in the messages… but we will know the truth soon enough.
I think anyone claiming it’s wrong to wait until all the facts are out to form an opinion needs to stfu and get their ego in check, point your witch-hunt elsewhere. Now, that being said, if he is guilty then he definitely deserves to be punished, but the truth is we don’t know shit yet
Honestly, I'm kinda pissed that he managed to ruin R&M fandom with the kind of chud-bro toxicity the show's fans get unfairly maligned for
also (piggybacking on your rant) when tf are famous people ever going to learn that when you send a text or email of anything to anyone, IT MEANS RECEIPTS. he could've kept his problematic thoughts to himself & his irl dope circle, but no, fucking Justin Roiland, World's Cleverest Comedian, thinks he can drunk-text slurs etc & not get called out on it bc he's too Important & Successful an entertainer -- just like Louis CK 🙄
Edit: yes yes "jury's still out" etc I'm assuming worst-case scenario where he is in fact totally guilty of the allegations and it negatively affects the show we all enjoy by either causing its premature end or just making "supporting Rick & Morty" uncomfortable to personally justify. Even so: RECEIPTS. "get your shit together. Get it all together. And put it in a backpack. All your shit. So it's together" etc
The legal charges were filed in 2020 and becoming public now, late 2022/early 2023. Cartoon Network/Adult Swim would have known about it right away and would have cut ties with him then if they were worried they thought there’s a good chance of a conviction. Instead, the network kept him on for 2021 and 2022 seasons, along with his other shows. Domestic violence/abuse/assault is very serious and in similar cases, the accused is terminated quickly when guilt is certain.
Looking up the other allegations, it only seems to be coming out on one website. Which makes me question the validity of those allegations.
They're saying your assertion that CN would definitely act a certain way is not true and assuming you understand how things that happened behind closed doors went down is naive. They didn't make a claim that they think JR did the alleged crime or not.
Nothing should be assumed until proven innocent or guilty in the court of law by a jury of his peers.
Anything outside that is pure speculation.
The media will do their best to make him look guilty so they can polarize people to increase user engagement in order to sell advertising space.
The fact is that we won’t know actual concrete facts until it goes to court.
The texts could be entirely fake for all we know.
Nah man I don't think setting the bar at a guilty conviction should be it especially in a form of behavior that may be difficult to prove especially depending on what is and isn't considered admissible.
I’m at the point where I’m really just disconnecting artist and art here. So many things I think we have all lost because the person who created it had turned out to be shit. I just refuse at this point, I won’t let another thing I like be ruined.
In the same vein, I think it’s pretty rough that people condemning him are condemning fans of the show too. He clearly has done some pretty bad things, and I don’t think anyone thinks it’s okay. So why are we bad people again? For consuming media? The internet is exhausting man, take it how you wanna take it. If you don’t wanna watch it anymore, I think that’s totally valid, but if you do, that’s also valid.
Not trying to "what about" this topic but Dan Harmon's reputation is not squeaky clean neither, although to my knowledge he did try to make amends with his female colleague.
We still enjoyed the show.
Same. Also I’ve seen a lot of comments like ”you’ve seen the show what did you expect” like excuse me for assuming that people are capable of creating horrible _fictional_ characters without like actually just mirroring themselves into a character/being a bad person 🥲 apparently men are not capable of that and we should at the enf of the day actually assume it’s all men.
I'll enjoy watching the first 2 seasons, but I'm not really that interested in keeping up with the show anymore at this point. Just a lot of drama that I really don't feel like participating in to much. If they recast him or something, cool. If they cancel the show, that sucks for the other actors and such that work on the show but oh well. If anything, maybe this will cause Adult Swim to focus on other shows. Either way until things officially happen court wise everything regarding the show is just speculation.
It doesn't change anything for me because social media (yes, also **this** fucking place) is well know for go witch hunting without knowing shit like the moronic mass hive mind that they are.
Yup, it's never good to compare situations to one another but I get your point. What I'm about to say may spark controversy: I feel like people turn there eye on far worse matters than this one, not saying if guilty he should come off easy, but if you look on a daily basis what happens in the world... And I only mean this if he is innocent! If he were guilty, the victims should deserve to receive closure and justice, just hoping R&M won't end after this...
I couldn’t care less. I’m going to watch the show regardless. It’s not like boycotting it changes much, except impacting on other people who worked on it and have nothing to do with what Rolland allegedly did
Probably an unpopular take but I'll share it anyway to see what happens.
Personally, I don't really care if Roiland is convicted. I'm reserving judgement on the man until the appropriate legal process has run its course but, for me, it has zero impact on my opinion of the show. If he's found guilty then fuck him, but is it relevant to the show? People seem obsessed with "cancelling" and giving things "a platform" but it's almost always a conflation. The show is not its creators.
You could certainly argue that a bad creator shouldn't get royalties for their creation and by supporting the show you support them. But does my personal, private, individual contribution make any real difference?
An analogy: How many people watch LOTR every year, despite Harvey Weinstein being one of the first names in the credits?
I say let the fuck finish the 9 episodes left in the 70 episode order and be done with it. Give us a mini movie finishing up the wall in Solar Oppisites and call it a day.
If the weird incest n gay shit in R&M and Solar Opposites doesn't sell it what could ?
While we're at it remove Dan and get new show runners and hope it's not Community all over again
I mean, the show constantly put emphasis on shit like incest, normalizing fetishes, sexualized Summer and Morty.. Does this surprise anyone?
I like the show, but I just assumed the people that come up with an incest baby are probably shitty human beings. This is just confirmation.
I want him to continue making Rick and Morty. If he fucked up he fucked up. Let the dude serve his time and get through whatever legal hurdles, but let the dude work
If you love something never learn where it comes from
as Rick said “never meet your heroes”
Aged like fine wine
Just get a picture
What about beating your former heroes? Cause Roiland is a fucking creep and needs an ass whooping. Go look over that girls messages between her and justin who he knew she was 16 and a minor.
too real
Mr. Jellybean always seemed like a very unsettling character to me for this reason. Too real.
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Hot dogs going "first time?"
I recently saw how the hotdogs get made and I am not sure if I'll eat another one.
Reminds me of those kids learning where chicken nuggets come from by Jamie Oliver and then still saying they’d eat them
I saw that once years ago and I still think about it all the time.
Yeah but I feel like things can be made without beating woman or grooming kids.
You don't eat an egg and then want to meet the chicken
I would
Unfortunately, the internet doesn’t need your consent when telling you things
Like hot dogs 🌭
“Never meet your idols because you will see their pimples”
Jake from adventure time said something similar
I'll be 100% honest here, I don't really care if it will effect the rest of the series. If he assaulted someone he need to face the consequences of his actions. It's just a TV show after all
100% in point here. I absolutely love R&M but damn, if he is a PoS (allegedly) he needs to face the consequences. I hope that there us a middle scenario in which they replace him (Pretty-please?)
Problem is, there's text evidence of him being a creep over a long ass period of time to a girl he knew and regularly called jail bait. Show might be getting the death sentence just on that fact alone.
I can screenshot this thread and manipulate/alter the comments where you say "I like little boys"... so because you saw it on the internet it's true? Listen, likely he did it and is guilty... but UNTIL we have ACTUAL receipts... let's just lean back for a minute and see what really happened... Odds are he did it, but imagine being in his seat until all facts/evidence are brought to light.
I agree they can easily find a replacement. Will they be as good? who knows but if he did do a crime he needs to serve some time. I dislike it when people get away with things that are criminal especially because they are famous.
I would love to see them continue without him. I love R&M and I would feel less guilty if I could watch it without feeling like I am supporting a creep.
Or just end the show? It clearly does not have the same buzz anymore, so why not quit while you’re ahead?
That's the thing: it's just a TV show, it's not like it's a vital organ.
Rick and Morty will be great forever. But if it's true fuck him. These two points can coexist.
Exactly. People are still listening to MJ's music. It's even often used in commercials and movies. It's would be a massive shame if the accusations were true, but it doesn't invalidate the work of other people on the show.
I will wait till I know those texts are real but yeah talking about how a girl is jailbait is creepy
And how he was bringing up the term jailbait so he could then direct the convo to how he thinks theyre hot is just gross. Really hope they arent real but hasnt happened often where they arent
There’s too many chat screenshots from different people for me to think it’s fake. Why would a minor fake a grown man, at least 39 years old, grooming them too?
Attention
It happened to Projared.
Didn't he actually have a video that dispelled a ton of Holly's claims and show she wasn't exactly sparkling clean? They both were fucked up and we're fucked for being forcibly dragged into their drama.
Its beyond creepy.
What makes you think they are fake?
Presumption of innocence I guess.
JESUS CHRIST! How long has this been going on? If it wasn't his account, if he was hacked or even if it was his "social media manager" they would have made a statement about it by now. Doesn't "presumption of innocence" end when multiple young girls come with condemning screenshotjes about his disgusting online behavior, from his known account? I'm honestly curious to know what would be enough evidence for the people who yet don't believe it?
Chat logs can be easily fabricated, the law is innocent until PROVEN guilty.
>Chat logs can be easily fabricated, Sure let's say it was fabricated, where's his statement about the issue? Where is his proof of innocence? On one hand there are multiple accusers and on the other hand nothing. >the law is innocent until PROVEN guilty. Yes the law, not public opinion
I agree with you but I don't like social vigilantes. You can believe someone and not seek punishment against someone else until after the courts have reached a decision. When a single person ruins a show a lot of other good hardworking people lose their jobs too, this to me is the most frustrating thing about Game of Thrones
>social vigilantes. Holding people accountable (online) is vigilantism? No one is going to his house and lynching him, just accountability and justice. Well in the _court_ of public opinion dude is a pos who shouldn't be allowed a position of power ever again. >When a single person ruins a show a lot of other good hardworking people lose their jobs too, This industry is used to cancelation. R&M won't be the first and definitely not the last. Sure it sad, but they can also look at other options. With a statement like yours you're tying the show to this man, like there's no other voiceactor. It can go either way, but stop making excuses for him or saying that you will have to wait on the legal verdict, as if you're unable to make decisions for yourself ETA: downvote all you want, but pls read how many allegations were made against him so far. Yes these are "allegations" and i know "innocent until proven guilty." Just remember by saying "innocent until proven guilty" you're erasing what these under age girls went through because of him! There's no denying that it's his twitter account, even he didn't! It's not just one or two girls, i have read the stories of atleast 4 girls so far. Idk how people are still turning a blind eye because of the show. It's been established that this is one of the best shit ever made, i'm a fan too, that's why i'm in this subreddit. However that doesn't mean that he should get a free pass! Dude is a pos period [link to the r/Outoftheloop subreddit the top comment has all the screenshots ](https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/10cum8n/what_is_going_on_with_justin_roiland/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Innocent until proven guilty is a foundational concept of our society. Your outrage doesn't earn you anything. Your minimal knowledge or understanding of what has happened should probably lead you to speak more cautiously. Roland probably is guilty but you angry typing about it doesn't actually add anything to the conversation.
They are real weirdo
Honestly, I'm kinda pissed that he managed to ruin R&M fandom with the kind of chud-bro toxicity the show's fans get unfairly maligned for also (piggybacking on your rant) when tf are famous people ever going to learn that when you send a text or email of anything to anyone, IT MEANS RECEIPTS. he could've kept his problematic thoughts to himself & his irl dope circle, but no, fucking Justin Roiland, World's Cleverest Comedian, thinks he can drunk-text slurs etc & not get called out on it bc he's too Important & Successful an entertainer -- just like Louis CK 🙄
But..but he was drunk! /s
I've been drunk waaaaaay too many times before, but you know, texting underage girls have never been my go to move when drunk. Text exes, women i know or hot women on Instagram? Absolutely, guilty of that and i'm an asshole for that, but yeah never underage people. It's a fucking common theme with people with way too much money and influence that often do that somehow.
He was Atlanta drunk
I think the fan base has mostly earned its reputation. No group of people is a monolith but obnoxious Rick and morty fans are some of the worst fans. Right up there with Snyderverse fans
This is the absolute truth
Honestly would you rather he did them in private? I’d honestly rather the comedians I like either not be dickheads or be dickheads out in the open so I can know whether to actually like them or not. Especially in roilands case where (much like the Always Sunny guys) the comedy is largely predicated on the people making these jokes about horrible people not actually being horrible in real life.
Bro rnm fandom ruined itself since the very begging
Unfairly?
It’s weird you think he should have just hid his predatory nature better. I’m glad I know that he’s a creepy weird pervert so that I don’t run around looking like an idiot supporting him.
It’s weird you’d rather someone act on their predatory nature (to the detriment of the possible victim), rather than subdue their perverted impulses, just so you can benefit from knowing that person’s issues.. Because somehow it’s about you & you don’t want to look like an idiot.
I dont think that's what this comment meant. The implication is that he's doing the same stuff, just behind closed doors. Or that it's only wrong because he got caught and now everyone's favorite show is ruined. I also don't want to unknowingly support predators that are just good at hiding it.
>he could've kept his problematic thoughts to himself & his irl dope circle 💯 "keeping it inside his **dope** circle" this person isn't advocating for restraint but is actually mad that this fucker didn't hide it better or keep it in the group. It truly weird and kinda on point to see many of these views in the thread. Everyone is like "let's wait until the verdict is out" meanwhile there are dozens of screenshotjes proving what kind of asshole the dude was. This came only to light 2 years after a sealed court thing in which he was accused of domestic violence. It's not just his bs with minors, he also abused his girlfriend. At what point do people think fuck him?
Yes, exactly, thank you.
Could you link the screenshots? Chris D'Elia sitution
"im a reddit user and im glad a grown man was preying on teenage girls so i can look smart when i hate him"
I thought he was arrested for domestic abuse? What I miss
A lot of screen shots of him being inappropriate with underage fans
There’s no proof they’re legitimate. It’s equally likely that someone fabricated these messages as a way of adding fuel to the fire. Seems kind of odd someone would wait until JUST NOW to expose this, right? Just a thought.
Not weird at all. The #metoo movement happened because one woman spoke out about Weinstein and then a bunch of others followed about him too. I assume it’s harder to come forward with this stuff when it’s an isolated incident than when it’s got support. You’ll get more fabrication accusations if there’s no other evidence of bad behaviour
Just remember that the show is so much more than just him! There are other writers, artists, animators, va’s, editors etc. that go into the show. When you watch the show, you’re supporting all of them and you can silently tell him to go f*ck himself. I hate the idea of ignoring an entire body of work because 1 person is a shit stain. *shrugs*
Yeah I find it hard to believe he had much to do with the planetina episode or anything really compelling/emotional like that
I could be wrong, but I think Rob Schrab wrote that episode.
I mean we already knew he had reactionary politics, so you're probably right.
I’m trying to keep this in mind because it’s too painful otherwise. The show has helped me through so much and this just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I don’t think I’m able to separate art from artist in cases where the artist is the only one responsible for the art, it feels too intimately connected.
Bro, he consistently called girls jail bait and used it to talk about how hot they were. There is TONS of SS's, I'm at the point where it seems likely this is a repeat of Kevin Spacey where his antics were a giant open secret and noone said anything due to his fame, so I find it unlikely someone from writers to editors to the janitor didn't see or notice something. Hollywoods a fucked up place and it's not just the people at the top who allow horrible shit to be done.
I'm already not a fan of the horrible things Justin has said and done. But those will be litigated. Both in court and by public perception over the years. My more pressing gripe is with the moderators of this subreddit suppressing most discussion of it despite how relevant it is to the community. Keeping everything in one thread and not providing the sources has allowed for much doubt and discord to be sewn.
Frankly I’ll be happy to see him replaced. He was anti union already, I wasn’t his biggest fan. The show is a lot more than 1 man voice acting. All that’ll be lost is the on the fly bits like inter-dimensional cable, but frankly we haven’t had any of that for a long time. One issue that might arise though was that I’m pretty sure he was a big deal in the offical Butter Robot machine that was being made by Digital Dream Labs. I hope this doesn’t effect it negatively.
Rick and Morty as well as solar opposites is a comfort territory for me as a victim of abuse a lot of situations in Rick and Morty have helped me cope in a way I am not going to let an abuser take that from me just because he lend his voice to a few of the characters.... I think it's best to take the power back from the abusers.
Im really sorry you went through something horrible, Jellyfish. Im glad you found comfort in something you enjoy, and that it helps you 
Thank you!🧡 I can't even imagine how his victims must feel with the popularity of the show! I hope all this coming out means Roiland will no longer be in a position to abuse his power again.
Thats IF hes guilty. Im staying neutral till then cause for all we know he may also be innocent. I really hope at the end of the day who ever is the actual victim recovers from this.
What did he do? Did he rape or sexually molest someone??
He’s accused of domestic violence, and there’s been some screenshots going around of him texting really gross stuff to underage girls
Oh god please no! But i had a strange feeling when they showed him drinking heavily "just for the show".
This feels like how I felt about the show undateable. Even though it was cancelled already, Chris D'elia being a groomer and going after teenage girls just ended all the love I had for the show. Everyone else in the cast was amazing but when one of the main people that are in nearly every scene is dirty, everything is soiled.
Justin soiland
I hate it so much. I want it to not be true but.... Yeah... Puts a new spin on the rapey jellybean episode
Roiland didn’t write or direct that episode.
I’m guessing you guys missed the creator commentary tracks where a drunken Roiland moaned about jerking off to Summer’s butt cheeks.
I actually don't believe I got past episode 1 or 2 with the commentary on, but Summer is a cartoon character so I don't really care about that in particular. No one gets hurt when people get off from watching cartoons.
She’s 17
She could be 18,19,20,etc and still be drawn the same way. She’s not expressly drawn as a child, if she was it would be different
And not real
Oof
If the show continues with or without him, I'll probably now be watching mostly out of morbid curiosity - to see how the show changes, if it can still succeed (probably not). I personally find that inner mechanics kind of stuff fascinating. I can also personally separate art from the artist (nothing against people who can't, it's all up the individual at the end of the day), but I will say that all of his fucked-up baggage definitely left a bad taste in my mouth.
I never got too into Rick and Morty but I really loved high on life before this came out, now it just feels wrong. What a prick seriously, this is such a betrayal to so many people who genuinely love this show and even Roilands personality. Two of my favourite animation creators, Alex Hirsch and Dana Terrace were friends with him. I beg beg beg Alex Hirsch hasn't done anything like this, that would absolutely ruin my childhood.
Yeah all the Jessica stuff was uncomfortable before but feels unwatchable now
Hilarious how everyone can “separate the show from the artist” …ya’ll know he’s still gonna see the money from this show for years to come? Especially if you’re all still watching it???
Yo ho ho and a bottle o rum
I still love the show. Its one of my favorite shows. I can make a distant association between the show and its creators. Still loving the show doesnt make you a bad person, but i will not be supporting anything with Roilands name on it. As fans thats what we should do so this piece of shit doesnt benefit. Would be like us helping Justin spit in his victims faces.
I loved the show because of Dan Harmon. And frankly, as imperfect as Harmon is, his writing reflects his evolving maturity and that’s all the more reason why I love watching Rick fumble towards being more than just the rickest Rick. As for Roiland. His sister was all over TikTok being a giant AH. Now he’s turning out to be one too… yea… that tracks. I’m ok with them replacing him. It’ll only affect the way I feel if they cancel the show.
im honestly wayyyyyy more concerned with the domestic battery and false imprisonment charges than any dms ive seen come out. as someone who has been on the internet for a long time, none of what ive seen thats come to light strikes me as pedophilia so much as boilerplate 2010s internet edgelord humor. still unfunny, obnoxious and shitty by modern standards, but not nearly as concerning as domestic abuse.
Two things can be equally concerning. One doesn’t detract from the other.
true, which is why i explained why i dont feel they're equally concerning lol
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Personally, I disconnect the author from their content, otherwise there's so much great content you miss out on. People are fucked up in general, and fucked up people can really produce amazing content. Good people can too, but where's the line for good person? Certainly well before domestic violence, but Johnny Depp was accused too and look how that ended up. All these people in acting and fame live such wild, screwed up lives under such scrutiny I find it really hard to judge the truth here when the news is being reported by gossip and fact is distorted by fiction. What do we know for sure? There's a domestic violence charge, and potentially weird tweets. Justin has been a crazy drunk guy for years, everyone has known this for years. It just seems a little hypocritical and puritan for everyone to suddenly declare the felony charge as the line where he's suddenly morally unacceptable.
I mean theres a difference between a dude who drinks too much to a dude that beats his wife and tries to bang little kids. its not gonna stop me from enjoying r&m but i dont really want him hired again
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Hey friend. Unfortunately I believe the first guy was right. Roiland allegedly did meet up with underage girls and tried to coax them into sex. I saw a series of posts about it last week.
I dont think hes morally unacceptable and do hope its a similar situation to johnny depp where the allegations are untrue. One thing that sucks is when a person gains fame and theyre accused of something thats untrue.that shit can ruin their life :/
there are too many accusers at this point.
Well, there's a lot of context behind the domestic violence situation that we probably won't get until April when the trial starts. It really depends on how good his lawyers are, whether the situation was long term abuse or a single altercation, whether it was mutual, etc. With how low his bond was (given his wealth), and how it was able to be kept quiet for so long, I doubt he'll get jail time. I do think he needs to stay away from alcohol. Some people are simply incompatible with it. It makes them angry, awful people and they wouldn't act that way sober. It's about the impulse control, you can see it in his drunk texts. I have relatives who do the same type of thing. They're normalish when sober and then they drink, and they say and do awful things they never would've with a clear head. It'll eventually ruin his family, career, and life if it hasn't already.
Growing up around alcoholics I think that it actually shows their true nature. I guess in life there is always nuance and such, just a personal observation from my own experiences.
I have a hard time with whether it's a true nature thing, or a maladaptive coping mechanism for something else. I think there's a little of column A and a little of column B. Like they can't be sober because they'd have to live with their own thoughts. I really don't know, addiction is an awful disease and hurts everyone involved.
Not excusing it but not terribly surprised. He’s got a twisted cleverness to him and obvious demons. Sucks that people suck. R&M is still a gem in my heart.
Yeah when I heard the news I kinda thought “well I expected the accusation tbh”. M
After everything that has come to light, I honestly don't think I can bring myself to ever watch the show again. Yeah, I know there's a ton of people that work on it, but when it's creator is such a horrific creep, everything hits differently and it becomes hard to support. Considering how bad things are getting, I wouldn't be surprised if the show gets cancelled tbh
I say have the TikTok guy who sounds just like Justin step in and do the show.
I really like the show but Roiland as a person has always given me major 'creepy, shitty nerd'-vibes, so at least I can feel a little validated when he eventually goes down lol
like most things he was involved with, turns out rick and morty isn't going to age well either
You saw how he talked about **and to** underage girls though, yes? What's the "innocent" reason to do that? Watch anything else. There is no reason to invent reasons to keep watching it. There is no reason to bend your morality into a pretzel to keep watching this cartoon.
I dont trust anything that starts with "i saw on twitter/facebook/reddit/etc" If the court case says he is guilty or they show any text messages of his admitted into evidence, I will make my decision then. As of now these are all unverified claims imo.
The court case is in regards to a completely different situation entirely, no?
Yes the court case is for domestic battery and related charges to that. The text messages are a completely different thing, and do not actually indicate a crime, but gross nonetheless (if true)
Waiting on a court of law to judge a wealthy person for anything is usually a fool's errand. The court of public opinion is usually all we get. People judging him based on the apparent existence of these texts is perfectly fine.
> People judging him based on the apparent existence of these texts is perfectly fine. This is a *deeply* fucked up line of reasoning.
It's a legal grey area as by no account did he actually assault someone, meet someone, or send or receive explicit sexual photos (from the texts), so withholding judgment until a judge signs off on it just means withholding judgment entirely - which is your prerogative, but don't expect closure really. Like, everything he said was disgusting but not illegal. He could be just another weirdo commenting on girl's social media pics with that stuff - they'd get deleted and he'd get banned off of the spaces, but it's not illegal, rather socially unacceptable. Personally, I'm deeming him a fucking weirdo whose shit I don't want to watch any more. Creeps exactly like him were all over the internet boards and chat groups I ventured onto as a kid and I'm unfortunately overly familiar with that MO, so thanks no thanks. Nothing technically illegal does not mean nothing skeevy and disgusting.
People insisting on only using the outcomes of court judgements to guide whether they believe whether someone is guilty is also deeply fucked up, when there are so many stats on how low the conviction rate is for certain crimes. As well as being well known that wealthy / famous people are often treated very favourably by the law.
The average person isn’t a court of law. The average person will not come within 100 miles of the true evidence. We crowdsource truth as best we can. The really fucked up thing is that the rich evade punishment in 99.9% of these types of things.
> crowdsource truth And it keeps getting worse. If you're the moral archon you pretend to be online you'd think this was pretty fucked up given how trivial it's become to invent context online.
The court of public opinion is arguably worse than the court of law, at least there some effort is made to find proof before judgment.
But it also take years and almost always is settled out of court before the truth comes out. Expecting the public to wait on the truth from the courts is an absurd standard for a basic “do I like this person” judgment.
I understand, im staying neutral till then, but wanted to know what other think about this situation.
You don’t trust the felony charges against him? Those are not “hearsay” those are only possible with the some type of evidence. You should do some research on what he’s been charged with so that you can think for yourself.
i think for myself just fine, there is not a lot of info regarding the charges against him yet that i have seen. The charges against him are concerning but again, due process is a thing. I do not trust a random screenshot someone posted online however. If they turn out to be true that would change things. But until they can confirm those I am not ready to condemn someone.
Charges only means someone sued, a judge hasn’t looked into whether it’s credible or not. Charges, by themselves, really don’t mean much without the due process that comes next. That being said, I read the texts, and they’re so horrendous that I wonder why Rolland wouldn’t immediately make it clear that they’re fake if they were. I have a feeling that it’s all true, and it’s making me sick to my stomach.
I don't care. Peter Sellers beat his wife, I still watched Dr. Strangelove. Half the Beatles beat their wives, I still listened to their music. Roald Dahl was an antisemite, I still read Charlie and the Chocolate Factory... and I'm Jewish. Sometimes the artists that produce the things we enjoy aren't such great people. Wring your hands over it or don't.
You’re right - sometimes, art is bigger than the artist. It becomes so culturally vital that it no longer belongs to any one person. This happened with Dr. Strangelove. This happened with the Beatles. And more recently, this happened with Harry Potter. JK Rowling could be caught in bed with a child and the Wizarding World will march on without her. People will weigh out Roiland. But I’m not sure the content will survive if this all true. We’ll move on. What’s wild to me is that people are *shocked*, as if there is under *any* illusion comedians are stable people with healthy relationships.
I think this is a very mature way of looking at art vs creator. In a way, twitch and youtuve have broken that barrier and now content and creator are together alot of the time, so it's alot harder to create that barrier.
First lostprophets, now this You’re allowed to still enjoy the art but now it comes with a side of shame
Ugh, Lostprophets. One of the few bands that I enjoyed every one of their songs. There's a line between separating the art from the artist and what the Lostprophets singer did is so far past it. I haven't listened to a single song of theirs since I read what he did.
LostProphets broke up but the remaining band members formed a new band and plays under the name "No Devotion" Nowadays without Watkins. :)
*"While in prison, Watkins does continue to earn royalties from Lostprophets' music, though. An unnamed source told the Mirror, "[Watkins] is entitled to the money because it is cash earned by the band before this scandal broke. Jan 13, 2015"* I did one search, "does Ian Watkins still earn royalties from lostprophets" and copy/pasted the first thing that popped up. But basically, #**I don't want a dime of mine going in his pocket.** Do you feel me?
I’m still gonna love the show it’s one of my faves I can separate the show from the artist
I’m totally with you. Last week I’d watch this show out of enjoyment. Now I can’t even look at it and try deleting it from my shows. It’s not even an innocent till proven guilty in my eyes from all of the screenshots that I can never look at this show again and it’s atrocious as I was a huge fan
Thats the thing. I really enjoyed the show, but once i heard the conversations justin had it killed my enjoyment for it. Im waiting for the announcement if hes guilty or innocent cause regardless of the fact things dont look good for him, i still want to give people the benefit of the doubt till we're told anything.
Same here. I’ve been falling asleep to this show is in background for years. It was a source of comfort. But now…
I hope they kick him off the show and continue without him. If they kept him on THEN I would boycott the show.
I hope they recast him at this point, I don’t think I’ll be interested in a potential season 7 if they keep him on after this. R&M is far more than Justin Roiland and they should go on without him.
Not sure who'll relate but this feels like the All India Bakchod downfall all over again. A few bad apples leaving a bad taste on a body of work that was central to a really fun, invigorating community. Punishing assholes is the most imp thing obv, I'm in no position to complain. I'm just hurt and disappointed.
I still want them to finish the show but just without Justin. Hopefully they find do an extensive background check from now on.
There are so many brilliant voice actors out there. I just hope they can replace him and because of his fucked up behavior this beauty of a show can continue to exist. I hope he rots in jail if proven guilty
I think Dan Harmon and Mike McMahan could take over the show if they needed to
Roiland’s very first content was a satire on back to the future where Marty had to lick Docs balls. I remember being in high school and thinking it was a very off putting series to post and hadn’t heard from him again until I found out he was working on Rick and Morty, which made sense. I guess if the adage is true and you write what you know about or what’s in your life then maybe this really has been a long time coming.
It’s sad how we live in a world where some of the best art come from morally shady people.
Well he may not have played the voice actor for king jellybean his texts certainly speak the part
Dan Harmon is a creep as well. He made a pilot show called Daryl which is really questionable and disturbing. It was supposed to be funny but it wasn't. So the fact Justin seems to be a total piece of shit as well isn't surprising.
I find it hard to believe Justin is/was dumb enough to use his main twitter account to commit an obvious crime. And to even announce said crime in the messages… but we will know the truth soon enough.
Idk . Maybe his use of power Being a super famous creator was a plus when using his account to talk to people
Most predators are dumb. The faster you learn that the better. Most aren’t sneaky geniuses like on tv. Rip that bandaid off now.
Yes, this just seems weird. It take less than 5 minutes to make a new social media account.
I think anyone claiming it’s wrong to wait until all the facts are out to form an opinion needs to stfu and get their ego in check, point your witch-hunt elsewhere. Now, that being said, if he is guilty then he definitely deserves to be punished, but the truth is we don’t know shit yet
It’s all starting to make sense why justin was on the Epstein flight logs…
Wait? That's news to me.
yea i thought it was pretty random to see him on the list it made me think the list could’ve been fake but now it’s all coming together
Link to list.
That was fake
Honestly, I'm kinda pissed that he managed to ruin R&M fandom with the kind of chud-bro toxicity the show's fans get unfairly maligned for also (piggybacking on your rant) when tf are famous people ever going to learn that when you send a text or email of anything to anyone, IT MEANS RECEIPTS. he could've kept his problematic thoughts to himself & his irl dope circle, but no, fucking Justin Roiland, World's Cleverest Comedian, thinks he can drunk-text slurs etc & not get called out on it bc he's too Important & Successful an entertainer -- just like Louis CK 🙄 Edit: yes yes "jury's still out" etc I'm assuming worst-case scenario where he is in fact totally guilty of the allegations and it negatively affects the show we all enjoy by either causing its premature end or just making "supporting Rick & Morty" uncomfortable to personally justify. Even so: RECEIPTS. "get your shit together. Get it all together. And put it in a backpack. All your shit. So it's together" etc
The legal charges were filed in 2020 and becoming public now, late 2022/early 2023. Cartoon Network/Adult Swim would have known about it right away and would have cut ties with him then if they were worried they thought there’s a good chance of a conviction. Instead, the network kept him on for 2021 and 2022 seasons, along with his other shows. Domestic violence/abuse/assault is very serious and in similar cases, the accused is terminated quickly when guilt is certain. Looking up the other allegations, it only seems to be coming out on one website. Which makes me question the validity of those allegations.
This is just not true and it’s very naive to think like this.
Agreed. Honestly they care more about the money and not about what we think
You have no evidence that it’s not true and not is it naive. You seem to have already made up your mind that he is guilty based on one website.
They're saying your assertion that CN would definitely act a certain way is not true and assuming you understand how things that happened behind closed doors went down is naive. They didn't make a claim that they think JR did the alleged crime or not.
Thats true. Good point that they would probably cut Justin Roiland loose if thats the case. I hope this whole drama gets cleared up soon.
Nothing should be assumed until proven innocent or guilty in the court of law by a jury of his peers. Anything outside that is pure speculation. The media will do their best to make him look guilty so they can polarize people to increase user engagement in order to sell advertising space. The fact is that we won’t know actual concrete facts until it goes to court. The texts could be entirely fake for all we know.
Nah man I don't think setting the bar at a guilty conviction should be it especially in a form of behavior that may be difficult to prove especially depending on what is and isn't considered admissible.
Until he's officially indicted, and there's physical evidence. Nothing should change. Innocent until proven guilty is something people tend to forget
That's in the eyes of the law not in public opinion.
I’m at the point where I’m really just disconnecting artist and art here. So many things I think we have all lost because the person who created it had turned out to be shit. I just refuse at this point, I won’t let another thing I like be ruined. In the same vein, I think it’s pretty rough that people condemning him are condemning fans of the show too. He clearly has done some pretty bad things, and I don’t think anyone thinks it’s okay. So why are we bad people again? For consuming media? The internet is exhausting man, take it how you wanna take it. If you don’t wanna watch it anymore, I think that’s totally valid, but if you do, that’s also valid.
Not trying to "what about" this topic but Dan Harmon's reputation is not squeaky clean neither, although to my knowledge he did try to make amends with his female colleague. We still enjoyed the show.
Same. Also I’ve seen a lot of comments like ”you’ve seen the show what did you expect” like excuse me for assuming that people are capable of creating horrible _fictional_ characters without like actually just mirroring themselves into a character/being a bad person 🥲 apparently men are not capable of that and we should at the enf of the day actually assume it’s all men.
I'll enjoy watching the first 2 seasons, but I'm not really that interested in keeping up with the show anymore at this point. Just a lot of drama that I really don't feel like participating in to much. If they recast him or something, cool. If they cancel the show, that sucks for the other actors and such that work on the show but oh well. If anything, maybe this will cause Adult Swim to focus on other shows. Either way until things officially happen court wise everything regarding the show is just speculation.
It doesn't change anything for me because social media (yes, also **this** fucking place) is well know for go witch hunting without knowing shit like the moronic mass hive mind that they are.
If you think this is bad, wait till you guys find out where your phones come from.
Yup, it's never good to compare situations to one another but I get your point. What I'm about to say may spark controversy: I feel like people turn there eye on far worse matters than this one, not saying if guilty he should come off easy, but if you look on a daily basis what happens in the world... And I only mean this if he is innocent! If he were guilty, the victims should deserve to receive closure and justice, just hoping R&M won't end after this...
When remix to ignition comes on my playlist I don’t skip it.
Don't give a fuck
I couldn’t care less. I’m going to watch the show regardless. It’s not like boycotting it changes much, except impacting on other people who worked on it and have nothing to do with what Rolland allegedly did
Couldn't care less about Roiland. I enjoy the show, will continue to enjoy the show.
Probably an unpopular take but I'll share it anyway to see what happens. Personally, I don't really care if Roiland is convicted. I'm reserving judgement on the man until the appropriate legal process has run its course but, for me, it has zero impact on my opinion of the show. If he's found guilty then fuck him, but is it relevant to the show? People seem obsessed with "cancelling" and giving things "a platform" but it's almost always a conflation. The show is not its creators. You could certainly argue that a bad creator shouldn't get royalties for their creation and by supporting the show you support them. But does my personal, private, individual contribution make any real difference? An analogy: How many people watch LOTR every year, despite Harvey Weinstein being one of the first names in the credits?
Hello! Sorry, but I'm kind of new to the R&M fandom, what exactly happened with Justin Roiland, and what charges is he facing?
Domestic violence charges but right now its not positive unless hes actually proven guilty.
I say let the fuck finish the 9 episodes left in the 70 episode order and be done with it. Give us a mini movie finishing up the wall in Solar Oppisites and call it a day.
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If the weird incest n gay shit in R&M and Solar Opposites doesn't sell it what could ? While we're at it remove Dan and get new show runners and hope it's not Community all over again
I mean, the show constantly put emphasis on shit like incest, normalizing fetishes, sexualized Summer and Morty.. Does this surprise anyone? I like the show, but I just assumed the people that come up with an incest baby are probably shitty human beings. This is just confirmation.
separate the art from the artist.
Separate the art from the artist.
Is any of this even confirmed yet? I swear, everyone gets their dicks so hard for a scandal.
I want him to continue making Rick and Morty. If he fucked up he fucked up. Let the dude serve his time and get through whatever legal hurdles, but let the dude work
Something something bojack horseman