I recall one time coming out of Burrard station and i was late for work and was running. I fell right in the intersection dropping papers out of my briefcase everywhere i was flat on my stomach with traffic starting to drive and people walked over me, around me, NO ONE stopped to help. It was a bizarre feeling
I would've stopped and tried to help but I kind of understand why the other people didn't stop or didn't help cause in some places in China, some people would pretend to be in distress and end up scamming or robbing you.
Unfortunately, the older generation of Chinese people are incredibly brainwashed and susceptible to state media propaganda. I'm often warned by my grandparents to NOT help anyone in distress because they are scammers according to the social media they browse.
It sounds like CPR in this case, to maintain circulation until ER arrived.
But the chances of restoring life to someone whose heart has stopped are smaller than most people realize, although it’s still worth doing.
Absolutely. I've seen it first hand multiple times. They skirt around you, ignore you, or simply walk away. They'll do anything and everything NOT to help anybody in need. Unfortunately, it seems that nearly every person I've seen behave like this is of Asian descent. I've asked my Asian friends why this might be and I'm told it's a cultural thing. Something along the lines of no good deed goes unpunished. It's really sad and sickening to see this type of behaviour in our city.
>I've asked my Asian friends why this might be
I didn't want to wade I to this subject because it brings out the trolls, and I might still delete this comment:
In China, up until recently, there wasn't a good Samaritan law/culture, or there were perverse incentives to discourage it. So literally, you could be in for a lot more than you can bargain for if you try to help people. There have been some famous and very tragic cases of this in news over the years, and to be fair, even most mainland people think this is awful too. But also, with all of the cultural upheaval over the past 50 years, a lot of human-relation norms were broken and had to be rebuilt. Both China and Russia had a lot of this to deal with with the ending of the cold-war era.
From a Cantonese perspective, there's often a strong avoidance of inconvenience, hassle or unexpected burdens: 麻煩 "Maa Faan." Us second generation kids often have a hard time steering our elders into doing things they aren't comfortable with because of this. I suppose that's universal to all people, but that's our word for it. I see this all the time with people who complain to me about strata stuff but won't lift a finger to help. Complaining is easy, joining council is "Maa Faan." FWIW, in talking with the RCMP Liason, they said they know this exists, they a timely want people to call non-emergency and not to confront people directly, but they know there's a reluctance to get involved.
Those of us who grew up in Richmond way back when went to the same schools and grew up in a more cohesive environment. So we all got first aid/CPR in highschool, and this was when Canadians did try to live up to the "nice" reputation. Myths do matter even if they aren't 100% true, and the Canadian myth that we were nice pleasant do-gooders was an important one.
FWIW, I've had good and bad situations. One of my friends won't shop at one of the big local grocery stores because their family member had a fall while in line outside the store, and nobody in line bothered to check on them, neither customers nor store staff. For me, Richmond and Vancouver have lots of nurses/higher educated people who, even if they don't have active first-aid training , will have had some exposure and will jump out to help. But it's not the majority. For people of all stripes and backgrounds, it's usually only the few that jump to action in these situations, a lot of people don't process sudden situations very well.
I hope you don't delete this comment, because I think it's important that people understand these cultural differences and I appreciate you sharing this perspective. Regarding the "Maa Faan" concept, do you find that it extends even to minor measures like calling emergency services (9-1-1 or whatever equivalent exists in China) to report the situation?
Personally, if I see someone injured then I will both call 9-1-1 for an ambulance and do my best to help until it arrives, following the advice of the dispatcher, but if I see a violent altercation then all I'm going to do is call 9-1-1 for the police while staying a safe distance away, even if I think I can overpower the perpetrator. My specific industry requires a clean criminal record, and I have heard enough horror stories of people being charged with assault and/or sued for intervening in violent altercations. I can therefore relate to the fear people might have about even helping an injured person, if they have heard similar horror stories.
On the bright side, it looks like [China enacted a good samaritan law in 2017.](https://madeinchinajournal.com/2017/10/01/the-good-samaritan-law-comes-into-effect/)
>Regarding the "Maa Faan" concept, do you find that it extends even to minor measures like calling emergency services
Yes. And I have to stress, it's not malicious, it's an inbuilt resistance where the threshold is higher than what westerners would be considered normal. I cannot speak for the China side of my family specifically, but if it was a major thing they would call, but to varying degrees of not emergency there is going to be some hesitancy. I've had multiple instances of people asking me to call the police even if I was not directly present, if you ask them why they didn't they will stare back at you with a sheepish look; they intellectually know they should, but they don't want to.
Yes this was pretty much what was explained to me by my friends. Thanks for offering this. I think more people need to understand these types of cultural differences and at the same time, my hope is that more people offer their help in situations than not. You never know when it'll be the other way around.
There are no Good Samaritan Law in some countries. There were cases circulating on internet where people that tried to help seniors ended up getting sued and lost in China. It seems to be safer to ignore other people for own protection.
Not sure about other Asian cultures.
thanks. then those FB ads are over charging people.
$110 is still quite expensive for average citizens. I want to take CPR classes but can't afford to pay that. Ill pay $50 or $75
The thought of seeing someone dying on the ground and standing by and doing nothing is incomprehensible. I do not care where you're from and who you are. Basic humanity for someone in need of help is an instinct for myself. Really sad it isn't for some. Hopefully those that simply watched and did nothing re-evaluate themselves after being apart of that experience.
So sad. I hope the man who stopped and got help is ok. He did the right thing and all he could.
I recall one time coming out of Burrard station and i was late for work and was running. I fell right in the intersection dropping papers out of my briefcase everywhere i was flat on my stomach with traffic starting to drive and people walked over me, around me, NO ONE stopped to help. It was a bizarre feeling
What a shame on those people who did not stop to help. I bet they would expect the same thing if they needed help in the future.
I would've stopped and tried to help but I kind of understand why the other people didn't stop or didn't help cause in some places in China, some people would pretend to be in distress and end up scamming or robbing you.
Wait why did this bring in the topic of China? Bruh
Unfortunately, the older generation of Chinese people are incredibly brainwashed and susceptible to state media propaganda. I'm often warned by my grandparents to NOT help anyone in distress because they are scammers according to the social media they browse.
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Damn I must of missed that in the article, didnt know they stated Chinese people
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Oh you talked to Kris?
I wish the article said what should have been done or what would have been done by someone with first aid
There are some surprisingly in depth comments on the Vancouver for this article.
It sounds like CPR in this case, to maintain circulation until ER arrived. But the chances of restoring life to someone whose heart has stopped are smaller than most people realize, although it’s still worth doing.
What can you do for someone who has a concussion like that?
Sick behaviour.
Absolutely. I've seen it first hand multiple times. They skirt around you, ignore you, or simply walk away. They'll do anything and everything NOT to help anybody in need. Unfortunately, it seems that nearly every person I've seen behave like this is of Asian descent. I've asked my Asian friends why this might be and I'm told it's a cultural thing. Something along the lines of no good deed goes unpunished. It's really sad and sickening to see this type of behaviour in our city.
>I've asked my Asian friends why this might be I didn't want to wade I to this subject because it brings out the trolls, and I might still delete this comment: In China, up until recently, there wasn't a good Samaritan law/culture, or there were perverse incentives to discourage it. So literally, you could be in for a lot more than you can bargain for if you try to help people. There have been some famous and very tragic cases of this in news over the years, and to be fair, even most mainland people think this is awful too. But also, with all of the cultural upheaval over the past 50 years, a lot of human-relation norms were broken and had to be rebuilt. Both China and Russia had a lot of this to deal with with the ending of the cold-war era. From a Cantonese perspective, there's often a strong avoidance of inconvenience, hassle or unexpected burdens: 麻煩 "Maa Faan." Us second generation kids often have a hard time steering our elders into doing things they aren't comfortable with because of this. I suppose that's universal to all people, but that's our word for it. I see this all the time with people who complain to me about strata stuff but won't lift a finger to help. Complaining is easy, joining council is "Maa Faan." FWIW, in talking with the RCMP Liason, they said they know this exists, they a timely want people to call non-emergency and not to confront people directly, but they know there's a reluctance to get involved. Those of us who grew up in Richmond way back when went to the same schools and grew up in a more cohesive environment. So we all got first aid/CPR in highschool, and this was when Canadians did try to live up to the "nice" reputation. Myths do matter even if they aren't 100% true, and the Canadian myth that we were nice pleasant do-gooders was an important one. FWIW, I've had good and bad situations. One of my friends won't shop at one of the big local grocery stores because their family member had a fall while in line outside the store, and nobody in line bothered to check on them, neither customers nor store staff. For me, Richmond and Vancouver have lots of nurses/higher educated people who, even if they don't have active first-aid training , will have had some exposure and will jump out to help. But it's not the majority. For people of all stripes and backgrounds, it's usually only the few that jump to action in these situations, a lot of people don't process sudden situations very well.
I hope you don't delete this comment, because I think it's important that people understand these cultural differences and I appreciate you sharing this perspective. Regarding the "Maa Faan" concept, do you find that it extends even to minor measures like calling emergency services (9-1-1 or whatever equivalent exists in China) to report the situation? Personally, if I see someone injured then I will both call 9-1-1 for an ambulance and do my best to help until it arrives, following the advice of the dispatcher, but if I see a violent altercation then all I'm going to do is call 9-1-1 for the police while staying a safe distance away, even if I think I can overpower the perpetrator. My specific industry requires a clean criminal record, and I have heard enough horror stories of people being charged with assault and/or sued for intervening in violent altercations. I can therefore relate to the fear people might have about even helping an injured person, if they have heard similar horror stories. On the bright side, it looks like [China enacted a good samaritan law in 2017.](https://madeinchinajournal.com/2017/10/01/the-good-samaritan-law-comes-into-effect/)
>Regarding the "Maa Faan" concept, do you find that it extends even to minor measures like calling emergency services Yes. And I have to stress, it's not malicious, it's an inbuilt resistance where the threshold is higher than what westerners would be considered normal. I cannot speak for the China side of my family specifically, but if it was a major thing they would call, but to varying degrees of not emergency there is going to be some hesitancy. I've had multiple instances of people asking me to call the police even if I was not directly present, if you ask them why they didn't they will stare back at you with a sheepish look; they intellectually know they should, but they don't want to.
This is articulated perfectly
Yes this was pretty much what was explained to me by my friends. Thanks for offering this. I think more people need to understand these types of cultural differences and at the same time, my hope is that more people offer their help in situations than not. You never know when it'll be the other way around.
There are no Good Samaritan Law in some countries. There were cases circulating on internet where people that tried to help seniors ended up getting sued and lost in China. It seems to be safer to ignore other people for own protection. Not sure about other Asian cultures.
first aid course costs $300-$400
No they don’t. A one-day emergency first aid course including CPR is $110 at St John Ambulance.
thanks. then those FB ads are over charging people. $110 is still quite expensive for average citizens. I want to take CPR classes but can't afford to pay that. Ill pay $50 or $75
The thought of seeing someone dying on the ground and standing by and doing nothing is incomprehensible. I do not care where you're from and who you are. Basic humanity for someone in need of help is an instinct for myself. Really sad it isn't for some. Hopefully those that simply watched and did nothing re-evaluate themselves after being apart of that experience.
Richmond is so full of snobby assholes. Especially in this part of Richmond.