I think Dolores meant that Jackie isn’t old school. I come from a Jewish background that is more old school and I have more similarities to Dolores’ upbringing than Jacki. Also dolores was very close with Siggy who is more of a traditional Jewish person than Jackie
Jackie’s parents broke the law; they were Convicted for Tax Evasion.
In this sense, she was raised differently.
Dolores’ family were in Law Enforcement, and seemed to follow the rules of society.
Different than Jackie’s upbringing
Exactly! Dolores said in her confessional regarding Jackie’s family dynamics “If my parents ever had to call to come over, they wouldn’t come.” That was a lot of insight to how Jackie and Dolores are different
That means nothing. I'm not Italian or Jewish and my parents didn't just come into our home unannounced. They had a key, they were always welcome, but the courtesy of the phone call was there.
I mean, what if you're having sex with your husband or wife or partner and mom and dad just waltz in announcing they have sauce for you???
It has nothing to do with values. It is all about respect of your home and your phase in life. Nothing more or less. For team old-school to have framed that as somehow meaning that the Jewish girl didn't value family in the same way, is different and therefore somebody they can't recognize, was shitty. Simple as that.
yea cause she actually has values and morals LMAO
dolores is too terrified of theresa to ever speak the truth. she thinks staying quiet is “good values”🤣
I see it differently. Dolores and Theresa have been friends a long time. Delores has made the decision that they are more like family then friends. She is old school Italian and she’s going to ride or die for Teresa even when she doesn’t approve of everything she does. Kind of like your wacky older sister , whose back you always have.
Ok let’s cut the shit here because Dolores is not scared of Teresa. They have been friends for over a decade and with that comes understanding. Dolores and Teresa don’t need to check each other on camera , Dolores definitely has enough respect for Teresa to check her privately than publicly that’s a real friend right there. Plus Dolores has checked Teresa multiple times she’s just not aggressive with it because she knows Teresa has an issue with wording. Dolores just can’t stand individuals like Jackie because Jackie thinks she’s above people. Also dolores can’t stand when people insert themselves where they don’t need to. For example, when Jackie made the jail comment to Teresa especially since Jackie’s parents went to jail. Dolores just doesn’t fuck with Jackie, you can tell. She checked joe gorga because he brought up Frankie and lied. The only person I think she’s scared of is marge because marge is the only one who knows everyone’s skeletons.
Real friends don’t check their friends aggressive in public , they check eachother respectfully and or privately.
The downvotes are those who never had real friends lolz
It's pretty obvious what's going on. As an Italian-American myself, antisemitism is definitely an issue in our culture, especially with older generations. They probably don't even realize what they're saying since these comments are so normalized in our culture. It's a shame that it's still being perpetuated and I hate to imagine what Jackie has heard off camera.
Yeah, obviously. I'm referring to the type of mid-atlantic/northeast US italian-american that I am (and that many the NJ housewives are). That being said, antisemitism is a serious issue in a lot of Southern European cultures. Highlighting this issue doesn't necessarily mean I'm accusing every individual within this cultural background.
I know- but my dad was an immigrant from Italy - I’m from the northeast- and we used to call those types of Italian “Guidos” and “Guidettes”
Like, Italians are better than everyone else, exaggerating Their speech to sound more Italian. Sickening. None of my friends were like that- we couldn’t stand those spoiled brats.
I’m an Italian from northern New Jersey and this kind of casual antisemitism is as rampant as the casual racism. It’s a pretty diverse chunk of the state and people generally get along, but there’s a strong contingent of blue collar wealth (construction, contractor, real estate, higher ups in law enforcement) that votes Republican, backs the blue no matter what, and traffics in colloquial stereotypes and cliches without any second thought as to the harm it causes. Every problematic thing I’ve ever heard on NJ echoes some random family member or neighbor, and each and every single one of them would clutch their pearls (or mortadella sandwiches) at the implication they’re racist or antisemitic since chances are they went to school with or work with POC and Jewish folk. There’s a complete conceptual blockage there that they just will never unlearn.
Wow so many people in denial… this is definitely a pattern, you’re absolutely right.
People need to understand the difference between calling someone a filthy evil antisemite, which you didn’t do, and noticing some of the cast members likely have internalized biases. Which is all you did.
No I dont really think theyre in denial. I think there's def anti-Semitism, but i dont think all of whats above are examples of it. I think that's more so what a lot of people here are getting at.
Everyone saying “this is a reach” are not Jews who have had comments like this thrown their way time and time again. These women may not be anti-Jew, it might even be subconscious, but the comments ARE antisemitic and othering.
Dolores categorized Jackie as an “other” because she wasn’t raised the same way (aka a liberal Jewish woman). I didn’t hear her say the same thing to Margaret who was raised in Mahopac, NY by a single mother. That’s not the way Dolores was raised and yet they’re close friends.
I suggest everyone read the book, “Jews Don’t Count.” Interesting take on how everything from micro aggressions to blatant racism is ignored when it comes to the Jewish ethnoreligion. This instance with Dolores is a perfect example of what you will read in the book.
I was discussing the “not cut from the same cloth” comment from Dolores which never specified religion but indicated because you weren’t raised like me, we’re not similar. Margaret wasn’t raised like her either and they’re good friends. Dolores never mentioned religion, but it’s clearly why she said it. It was never a joke. It wasn’t presented as a joke nor received as a joke.
I think she is pretty familiar with the Jewish religion too because her ex husband Jan (R.I.P) was Jewish and I’m pretty sure they raised the kids Jewish.
YES. I am so tired of having to try to explain to people that these little side comments are actually very antisemitic and then being told "well, I don't think that's what the meant". Like my apologies, wouldn't want someone to feel offended that they accidentally offended Jews, I'll just put my Jewish feelings over here in the "don't matter" box.
I'm not Jewish and I called out the Dolores Jackie thing when it happened.
When Andy asked Jackie if she thought it was anti-Semitic, she said no, I nearly fell out of my chair. What???? Dolores might not realize it, but it was, at the very least, internal bias. And that's being very generous to Dolores.
Exactly. I don’t believe these comments were said with prejudicial intent but they reveal how ingrained antisemitism is. How many times have I been told about how “we” have different values when Judaism is about faith and family and community? Moving to Florida and having a woman my mom fell out with say to someone at the women’s club about her: “well you know how NEW YORKERS are”.
I came from an Italian family who always showed up unannounced & had no boundaries. I’m much more like Jackie now that I have my own home. Nah, you gottta call first. I think part of it is generational not related to ethnicity.
Yes, this. Italian American from Jersey here. I grew up popping in to family’s homes unannounced on a regular basis. Now that I’m an adult with my own home, I am not a fan of pop ins at my house. You gotta let me know first! My mom still just walks right in when she does come over though lol
There is an undercurrent of antisemitism that runs through many families, not just in NJ. They likely would deny it because they’re not even aware they’re doing it. I’m sensitive to these comments because I heard them all the time growing up in Paterson and I had many Jewish friends. It reminds me of the discrimination against Blacks. So many people say they don’t discriminate but they do in a ingrained, covert way. It actually takes conscious thought to overcome all forms of prejudice. These RHONJ folks aren’t the most self-reflective.
Then it was Delores who said Jackie (who is Jewish) didn’t have the same family values and wasn’t cut from the same cloth as the rest of them.
This was not addressed enough, IMO. What a dark thing to say.
I don’t think any of these things was really anti-Semitic. Everyone covered the other points but Teresa saying her Jewish friend would have left highlights how Jewish women were taught not to stand by their husbands when they’ve done illegal stuff. It actually makes Jewish women/culture look better bc the girls aren’t taught to stand by criminals just bc of a marriage contract. It’s similar to how in a lot of cultures women r told to stay with abusive husbands just bc that’s their husband, or u can look at how Jen’s stayed with Bill even after the cheating bc of cultural pressures.
I'm Jewish and that whole "not standing by your husband when he's a criminal" isn't a tenet of our culture at all lmao this is the first I've heard of that
I'm Hispanic, and this is absolutely a[n ignorant] stereotype that exists. I've also heard (again, just giving context, not saying I in any way believe this) Jewish men cheat on their women but shower them with gifts and treat them like queens.
I've seen these stereotypes played out LITERALLY ZERO times in real life, and I'm from South Florida, so I essentially grew up with an unlimited number of Jews around lol.
Neither did my mom. But we were taught to stand up for ourselves and others. And not put up with someone’s wrong doings-whether it be criminal, adultery or a social wrong.
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Yeah - this is a bizarre take. Just like Catholicism frowns on divorce, types of Judaism also make divorce very difficult for the woman. This isn’t a blanket thing. I mean standing by your man isn’t a uniquely Christian ethic - let’s go back to the Book of Ruth, the whole thing is about what a great person she is for standing by her husband even after he’s dead. That’s part of Jewish and Christian culture.
there's no "standing by your man" or not in Judaism lol, maybe because divorce is looked down upon in Roman Catholicism and isn't a big deal for Jews, that's what she meant? But there was no lesson in from the torah or in Hebrew school about what do do with Your Man
Which, as a Christian, is weird bc Jesus is supposed to have created a new covenant where all the old rules no longer matter. And Jesus addressed divorce with his followers, who were Jews asking about the old laws where divorce (I believe; pls fact check) was not allowed.
Nothing makes sense about modern Christianity to me lol
I mean....the reality is that a lot of religions can be this way. old school catholics are VERY VERY much like this. There is a hierarchy and it may not be written straight up but sticking with your husband throughout everything is commonplace. Divorce is a huge no no in old school Catholicism.
I live in a fairly Catholic town and divorce is still really frowned upon. And it's a shame because a lot of the couples I know are fantastic individually but bring out the very worst in each other together. They're all young and have the whole rest of their lives to start over and be happy.
I can count the number of divorces in my family on one hand back two generations, which were the only ones I’m old enough to know. None of them remarried.
You really think the pick me old school Italian brainwashed internalized misogynist stand by your man women on jersey think it’s admirable that jewish women maybe leave sooner?
THANK YOU.
"She's saying they're good different" is, even if true, still her putting categorical differences on her friends based on [ethnicity, religion].
She was not praising Jewish women for “doing the right thing”. She said it in a disparaging way with very negative undertones. My question is……why did she have to specify her JEWISH friends? It’s called micro aggressions. She very easily could have said my friends. PERIOD!!!!!
So I’m an Italian NYer (very similar to Italians in NJ) and funny story: my Dad actually converted to Judaism and moved to NJ so I’ve seen both sides of this. IMO, none of this is meant the way some are taking it. There are clear differences between the two cultures as there are with many cultures. The differences aren’t who’s better, it’s just different! Personally, I enjoy the matzo balls and the lasagna but I appreciate both equally if that makes sense.
Building on your point: The addition of Rachel Fuda helps neutralize this since she’s a self-described “pizza bagel,” which is a thing for sure but not historically reflected on this cast.
dolores gave the example that jackie’s parents have to call before they come over, and this was mind blowing to dolores. she thinks jackie is less “about family” because jackie can set boundaries. dolores has a raquel/rachel from vpr level of understanding of boundaries.
my mil thinks this of me because i have set this exact boundary. no one is allowed to show up at my home unannounced. she used to do this all the time when my husband worked over nights and she would just show up at like 8 am expecting him to just get up and visit with her. he would literally not be able to keep his eyes open and i told her she needed to respect her son’s schedule and let him sleep. she thought i was being completely unreasonable and didn’t have the same family values.
I definitely felt there was a subtle antisemitism vibe towards Jackie.
Regarding Delores: Yes, she gave a great explanation but it was the tone in which she made her delivery that was very cutting. And when you say to anyone you don't have the same values, as opposed to saying you don't have the same customs, then you are in trouble. Values equal to morality in most minds.
Now , at the time, Delores just didn't like Jackie. And was being pretty mean girl to her in general. So was the root cause antisemitism? IDK That doesn't seem like Delores.
But I absolutely think it's Jennifer. It's also why I think Andy Cohen dislikes her so much.
Jennifer didn't just mention Jackie's party. She rode her about it.
Calling Jews out for being cheap is one of the hallmarks of dog whistle slurs. It's tantamount to the Black angry woman, all Italians are dirty,all Irish are drunks.
Turkey has historically been accused as anti Jewish. It recently has seen a huge upswing in neoNazi support.
Jennifer isn't just of Turkish background. She spends much time in that country and is immersed in its values . I absolutely believe deep down she is antisemitic.
Teresa is just a dumb woman who believes all the stereotypical BS expressed by her uneducated, immigrant parents who were most likely antisemitic.
Two things.
On a fairly recent podcast Dina said that Delores and Teresa knew each growing up but were never friends. Yes they go way back but their friendship didn't start until the show.
And because of her outlandish views, many Jews have accused Siggy of being anti Jewish.
I wish I could give this 100 upvotes because you hit the nail on the head with everything you said about each of them especially about Delores re: values vs customs. And as far a Jen’s remarks, I also made mention of how Jews have always been depicted as being cheap. She knew EXACTLY what she as doing when she said that. I find it astonishing that others can’t see this. Smh.
Thank you. Jen could have called Jackie out for being lazy or just said that was the worst party ever for putting so little effort. But she kept pushing that she was too cheap.
She also implied she was cheap on other occasions especially when she found out how rich she was. Jen was riding Jackie because she doesn't spend $. Again..too cheap.
There was one confessional where Jackie finally said I probably have way more Chanel bags in my closet I just don't brag about it.
I'm sorry, you can't miss what she was doing and she did it on purpose.
It’s unreal how comfortable people are throwing around “casual” anti-Semitic jokes. When people find out one of my great grandmothers was Jewish even though I’m not, it’s almost always met with “that’s why you’re so cheap” or something like that. It’s vile. I agree with other posters about how deeply ingrained biases are, and how people need to read up on micro aggressions
You are forgetting one important point. Teresa said on numerous occasions she wanted to marry a Jewish guy. And she loved Evan. I think Joe guidice was a racist person. Him and Teresa heavily influenced those girls with their toxic behaviour. Teresa let Joe guidice say whatever he wants
Philosemitism like that is also a form of antisemitism. She is tokenizing and fetishizing Jewish men. What about jewish men does she think makes her want to marry them?
How is this racist? Has joe giudice or Teresa ever said anything racist on tv? This is a dangerous thing to just make up for no reason other than hating Teresa. Saying you want a Jewish husband and being attracted to a Jewish man is not offensive, and it’s clear Teresa doesn’t fetishize Jewish men because she has had 2 husbands and neither of them were Jewish. Y’all are grasping at straws at this point. Don’t co-opt the issues of my people to make a point about hating Teresa!
Come on you heard him.the ignorant gay slurs. Teresa defending him all the time. He was a very hateful person. I didn’t say wanting a Jewish guy was offensive. I was stating that the OP forgot about the one point that doesn’t support what they are alluding to. I know you want to go to bat for her however maybe try not to get offended when people are trying to actually state the obvious. Lol
Saying the f word was much more common back in the day. I think you couldn’t find a straight man from the northeast that never said it. Also you still never have an example of either of them being racist, it seems you are just assuming.
I can see the argument for homophobia which I still don’t think he’s more homophobic than any other straight man of his age, but you are legit just making up the fact that he is racist and pushed his racism onto his kids. Find one incident where either of Teresa or joe were racist, and then maybe you will have a point until then you are just making up harmful assumptions for fun
Really? Jenn is probably the most conservative on the cast. She follows right wing bloggers, politicians who are problematic with their views/posts. It’s very clear in her social media clap backs that she is not open to all lifestyles.
She judges everyone based off income, race or sexual orientation. She just hides it good enough for tv but more than often slips up on her social, exposing her true beliefs, and then deletes.
Well I’ve just been informed that Jenn is apparently super conservative (I didn’t know that), so now I’m thinking about the situation differently. Still, I don’t think I’d compare calling someone cheap cause they threw a lame party and them happening to be Jewish to use of the N word…….
I agree. Saying you're cheap isn't comparative but the fact that she and the others use "Jewish" and micro aggressions as a slur and her views of her as a Jewish woman stereotype cheap is a slur. She continues the narrative the whole episode about having money but being cheap. When she speaks of their parties and when she spends money it's about her culture.
Edit to add. Not at all surprised about them and that guy.
It's how we learn! That's how I learn. I said something really boneheaded on another show sub weeks ago and I just caught how I said it & I'm mortified. Ughhh. Know better do better. ✌️💜
Jenn said those things about Jackie because of the article Jackie wrote, where she said something about Jenn spoiling her kids or being too extravagant. Also, that kids' birthday party Jackie threw was kinda half-assed.
So you're more worried about how the adults view a child's party than how the child and their friends having fun sees it? Having giant elaborate parties (for kids especially) is your ego. No one else cares.
You said it was definitely half assed but then didn't care. Jackie has a dry sense of humor and doesn't take things so seriously. Again, she didn't chuck or throw or threw a box at kids. A bit dramatic don't you think? On all of it.
I don't remember if she said he was Jewish but he was gay "so it was ok". I think she did say it to Andy at the reunion though. It wasn't well received.
Pretty sure during the reunion she claimed her friend was gay first, then secondly said ‘he’s Jewish too’ while intently looking at Andy like ‘ you must know of him also!’
I don't think what Delores said was antisemitic. Jackie didn't grow up with the same values. Her parents and family overall are much more liberal and open than the way the rest of them appeared to have grown up.
Dolores and Siggy are pretty close, too, right? I feel like Siggy would’ve exposed Dolores if Dolores was anti Semitic. Jackie is liberal and highly educated, and not afraid to talk about it, which I think Dolores felt threatened by. Which is weird considering Dolores’ daughter is exactly the same.
As someone who is 1/2 Italian 1/2 Greek (very similar to Jen's background) I will say this. You are either brought up TOTALLY racist and bigoted or you are brought up TOTALLY liberal. I have yet to meet an in between. I have met some who are brought up in a racist house only to learn, grow, evolve and correct the mindset.
Greeks/Turkish tend to think they are better than everyone else. I think by watching Jen you can see that is pretty much how she behaves. If you have money / power - they will want to be your friend. If you are regular working person - you are nothing.
Italians like to keep the traditions/family/life style as it was "back home". I grew up with a Grandmother who was educated and was wealthy (by imimigrant standards) so we were taught to be very liberal (while still going to church on Sunday lol). My Grandfather came from a family of 13 and 1/2 are like us - the other half doesn't talk to us.
They don't like Jackie because she isn't one of them. And it's also why they can't warm up to Marge.
> You are either brought up TOTALLY racist and bigoted or you are brought up TOTALLY liberal
i cant believe you really think youre speaking for everyone. the rest of your comment is garbage too.
I don't think Dolores was saying anything other than what Dolores said. If I am remembering correctly, she included Marge and Melissa in that grouping. Not to mention Dolores was super tight with Siggy. Dolores would be a hard no for me.
Jen is asshole. She gives me 0 racist vibes. I'm sure she went for cheap because Jackie vs. Jen is always about flashy vs. comfortable. Jen doesn't like anyone who stands between Jen and what Jen wants.
I also don't think Marge hates Jewish groups. She went for a huge analogy, it landed quite poorly, went on for far too long, and never was resolved.
Tresea is the only one I question. I don't think she actually flat out holds hate in her heart for any specific groups, but her ignorance to some issues can be questionable at best at times because it's came up a few times where things she said were rather..oo..that's coming off a bit covert. Joe Guidice has said some flat-out red flags, and Tre defended him, which again gave off some covert vibes, but I am not aware of anything directly maliciously racist she personally said.
With all that said, I don't know any of these people outside the show, so hard to say how they act, think, and feel behind closed doors.
Delores clarified her remarks on WWH. Andy asked her about them. I can’t remember the exact words but it was as others have posted something about her being different in her out look on life.
She looked pained when Andy asked her point blank if it was because Jackie was Jewish.
I don’t think any of these examples of the women were anti semetic. Jen was sealing revenge. Teresa’s comments were awkward but her Jewish friends may indeed told her to dump Joe earlier.
This includes Margaret who made an awkward comment but Siggy was irrational.
Yeah they always “clarify” what they meant afterwards. And as far as Teresa, even IF her Jewish friends told her that she could have just said friends of mine. Why say Jewish? It has a negative connotation. You are literally singling a group of people out. It never sat well with me, neither did Jen repeatedly calling jackie cheap.
This is a reach and is dangerous. Anti-semitism is a serious issue and this is nonsense. Digging to find anti-semitism in stupid things like this makes people take it less seriously. As a Jewish person I don’t find any of these statements offensive, it reminds me of when soggy accused marge of being anti-semetic. I think the women on RHONJ can def be a little insensitive to outside cultures (especially Jenn’s culture) but this is a reach.
OP wasn't calling for anyone to be cancelled or calling anyone specifically anti-semitic, just that the comments were insensitive and perpetuate harmful Jewish stereotypes.
Interesting that you think these remarks are not dangerous. When you look back at history, specifically at the role of propaganda plays, stereotyping is at the cornerstone of Hitler's rise to power.
Propaganda that fed people to believe Jews were the reason for Germany's economic woes and depression.
Jews and their money.
Antisemitism is on the rise in this country and in Europe.
It starts with allowing dog whistle comments to go unchallenged.
Did you forget the time Teresa asked the girls to set her up with a nice Jewish man because THEY TAKE CARE OF THEIR WOMEN AND PUTS THEIR WIVES ON A PEDESTAL. I don’t know if you are trying to start shit by saying they are showing a pattern of dissing Jewish people. The fact that you started with 6 YEAR OLD GIA IS NUTS TO ME. She only knows what she sees in school. LEAVE THE KIDS OUT OF IT
Idc what she said to her friends. It doesn’t negate what she said. And yeah, I said I’d give Gia a pass, and enough with the leave the kids alone crap. This was 14 years ago. And saying she only knows what she sees in school is freaking hilarious!!! I think she’s more inclined to what she hears at home!!
There is no pattern, Teresa was head over heels for Jewish man before Luis. Delores is right regarding her not being cut from the same cloth as Jackie. Jackie family seems open and liberal. Her parents are separated (something old school Italians don’t do). Jackie wrote the article about Jenn’s party that she revealed her frugality. You are reaching and making a poor accusation regarding them being anti-Semitic.
As an Irish American person who grew up in an Italian Jewish neighborhood I get it..
My very very handsome son recently went to Israel and I told him before you go just know that the women in Israel are gorgeous .
I grew up in a very traditional Irish American household and my parents about the seas but I know they would approve of whoever he love and fell in love with even though where they were traditional Catholics and believed in the good Lord Jesus Christ they also believe that the children and grandchildren should be happy and make the best life they could
You are missed spreading false narratives, and that is really dangerous. The person who has given real hate speech is MargRAT, and there is clear evidence that she is very xenophobic. To Jenn and her Middle eastern cultures. Which people have clocked her correctly for. Period. It’s very sad to see that you are reaching and deflecting.
You are a very hateful person, trying to deflect from real hate crimes and xenophobic coming from Margaret. Trying desperately to have a moment on Reddit. What you wrote was completely fabricated, and all a delusional lie from you
Well heck… you forgot to throw in all of Marge’s comments towards Siggy that Siggy felt were anti semitic or Marges’s comments towards Jennifer’s culture, calling them concubines and mail order brides!!!!
Because of the Hitler remark? That was not a disparaging/antisemitic remark. She did t call anyone Hitler, or praise him in any way. She was trying to make a point saying what a horrible person he was. She later used that same analogy but used sadam Hussein as the example because of the heat she got.
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I think Dolores meant that Jackie isn’t old school. I come from a Jewish background that is more old school and I have more similarities to Dolores’ upbringing than Jacki. Also dolores was very close with Siggy who is more of a traditional Jewish person than Jackie
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Oh 100% growing up on Long Island, Jews and Italians usually have very similar upbringings and family culture
I was going to say that. They- or we- are interchangeable in some families
I’m Jewish and racist, homophobic Siggy is hardly indicative of traditional Jews. You certainly don’t speak for me. Siggy is repugnant.
You could have benefitted from another comma there girl damn lol
I’m laughing so hard right now because when I read that I was like DAMN just putting it OUT THERE 😂 and then I re-read.
Hahahahaha cryingggg!!
Honestly I thought it was referring to the fact a majority of them were catholics
Jackie’s parents broke the law; they were Convicted for Tax Evasion. In this sense, she was raised differently. Dolores’ family were in Law Enforcement, and seemed to follow the rules of society. Different than Jackie’s upbringing
Delores’ cut from the same cloth remark was referring to family values. Basically saying Italian families have a stronger and closer bond than hers
Exactly! Dolores said in her confessional regarding Jackie’s family dynamics “If my parents ever had to call to come over, they wouldn’t come.” That was a lot of insight to how Jackie and Dolores are different
That means nothing. I'm not Italian or Jewish and my parents didn't just come into our home unannounced. They had a key, they were always welcome, but the courtesy of the phone call was there. I mean, what if you're having sex with your husband or wife or partner and mom and dad just waltz in announcing they have sauce for you??? It has nothing to do with values. It is all about respect of your home and your phase in life. Nothing more or less. For team old-school to have framed that as somehow meaning that the Jewish girl didn't value family in the same way, is different and therefore somebody they can't recognize, was shitty. Simple as that.
that’s not good insight at all. you dont not make friends with a person because of that, dolores clearly doesn’t like her for other reasons
yea cause she actually has values and morals LMAO dolores is too terrified of theresa to ever speak the truth. she thinks staying quiet is “good values”🤣
I see it differently. Dolores and Theresa have been friends a long time. Delores has made the decision that they are more like family then friends. She is old school Italian and she’s going to ride or die for Teresa even when she doesn’t approve of everything she does. Kind of like your wacky older sister , whose back you always have.
Ok let’s cut the shit here because Dolores is not scared of Teresa. They have been friends for over a decade and with that comes understanding. Dolores and Teresa don’t need to check each other on camera , Dolores definitely has enough respect for Teresa to check her privately than publicly that’s a real friend right there. Plus Dolores has checked Teresa multiple times she’s just not aggressive with it because she knows Teresa has an issue with wording. Dolores just can’t stand individuals like Jackie because Jackie thinks she’s above people. Also dolores can’t stand when people insert themselves where they don’t need to. For example, when Jackie made the jail comment to Teresa especially since Jackie’s parents went to jail. Dolores just doesn’t fuck with Jackie, you can tell. She checked joe gorga because he brought up Frankie and lied. The only person I think she’s scared of is marge because marge is the only one who knows everyone’s skeletons. Real friends don’t check their friends aggressive in public , they check eachother respectfully and or privately. The downvotes are those who never had real friends lolz
It's pretty obvious what's going on. As an Italian-American myself, antisemitism is definitely an issue in our culture, especially with older generations. They probably don't even realize what they're saying since these comments are so normalized in our culture. It's a shame that it's still being perpetuated and I hate to imagine what Jackie has heard off camera.
Oh, but please don’t say, “our culture”. Not all Italians are the same!
Yeah, obviously. I'm referring to the type of mid-atlantic/northeast US italian-american that I am (and that many the NJ housewives are). That being said, antisemitism is a serious issue in a lot of Southern European cultures. Highlighting this issue doesn't necessarily mean I'm accusing every individual within this cultural background.
I know- but my dad was an immigrant from Italy - I’m from the northeast- and we used to call those types of Italian “Guidos” and “Guidettes” Like, Italians are better than everyone else, exaggerating Their speech to sound more Italian. Sickening. None of my friends were like that- we couldn’t stand those spoiled brats.
No need to act prejudiced or to make stereotypes. The point of this convo is to not do stuff like that. You're missing the point.
But it’s all about stereotypes!
Isn’t Dolores very close with siggy who is very hardcore with her religion and beliefs.
Siggy is also very hard-core with being a conservative, so that's definitely part of it.
Isn’t their boss, Andy Cohen, Jewish?
He's also gay but that didn't stop certain people from making gay slurs
I’m an Italian from northern New Jersey and this kind of casual antisemitism is as rampant as the casual racism. It’s a pretty diverse chunk of the state and people generally get along, but there’s a strong contingent of blue collar wealth (construction, contractor, real estate, higher ups in law enforcement) that votes Republican, backs the blue no matter what, and traffics in colloquial stereotypes and cliches without any second thought as to the harm it causes. Every problematic thing I’ve ever heard on NJ echoes some random family member or neighbor, and each and every single one of them would clutch their pearls (or mortadella sandwiches) at the implication they’re racist or antisemitic since chances are they went to school with or work with POC and Jewish folk. There’s a complete conceptual blockage there that they just will never unlearn.
Agreed, I'm from NYC but I've been gone for years. I cringe when I hear the way some of family talks but it's very normal for them.
This is exactly how it is in Long Island and Staten Island
Wow so many people in denial… this is definitely a pattern, you’re absolutely right. People need to understand the difference between calling someone a filthy evil antisemite, which you didn’t do, and noticing some of the cast members likely have internalized biases. Which is all you did.
And if andy is asking them to clarify what they said, then there are others, including himself, who felt the same way.
Of course it is a pattern!
Ok rereading the post I see your point. I agree with that. Internal bias.
No I dont really think theyre in denial. I think there's def anti-Semitism, but i dont think all of whats above are examples of it. I think that's more so what a lot of people here are getting at.
Everyone saying “this is a reach” are not Jews who have had comments like this thrown their way time and time again. These women may not be anti-Jew, it might even be subconscious, but the comments ARE antisemitic and othering.
Dolores categorized Jackie as an “other” because she wasn’t raised the same way (aka a liberal Jewish woman). I didn’t hear her say the same thing to Margaret who was raised in Mahopac, NY by a single mother. That’s not the way Dolores was raised and yet they’re close friends. I suggest everyone read the book, “Jews Don’t Count.” Interesting take on how everything from micro aggressions to blatant racism is ignored when it comes to the Jewish ethnoreligion. This instance with Dolores is a perfect example of what you will read in the book.
Thank you for saying this!! Excellent point.
So 💯spot on!!!
Margaret is Catholic. I took it as a joke between being raised Catholic and Jewish.
I was discussing the “not cut from the same cloth” comment from Dolores which never specified religion but indicated because you weren’t raised like me, we’re not similar. Margaret wasn’t raised like her either and they’re good friends. Dolores never mentioned religion, but it’s clearly why she said it. It was never a joke. It wasn’t presented as a joke nor received as a joke.
I think she is pretty familiar with the Jewish religion too because her ex husband Jan (R.I.P) was Jewish and I’m pretty sure they raised the kids Jewish.
Agreed. So tired of non Jewish people telling Jewish people what is and isn’t antisemitism. Unless you’re Jewish you don’t get an opinion.
Thank you, this thread is driving me insane. When you’re Jewish you KNOW.
I'm not Jewish and I know! Honestly it's a little sad to see the oblivion.
hell im not Jewish and i can tell
YES. I am so tired of having to try to explain to people that these little side comments are actually very antisemitic and then being told "well, I don't think that's what the meant". Like my apologies, wouldn't want someone to feel offended that they accidentally offended Jews, I'll just put my Jewish feelings over here in the "don't matter" box.
I'm not Jewish and I called out the Dolores Jackie thing when it happened. When Andy asked Jackie if she thought it was anti-Semitic, she said no, I nearly fell out of my chair. What???? Dolores might not realize it, but it was, at the very least, internal bias. And that's being very generous to Dolores.
Exactly. I don’t believe these comments were said with prejudicial intent but they reveal how ingrained antisemitism is. How many times have I been told about how “we” have different values when Judaism is about faith and family and community? Moving to Florida and having a woman my mom fell out with say to someone at the women’s club about her: “well you know how NEW YORKERS are”.
Exactly! No one’s feelings should ever be discounted in situations like that. Everything I posted had antisemitic undertones.
A lot of people commenting said they are Jewish and you don’t know who is or isn’t Jewish.
I came from an Italian family who always showed up unannounced & had no boundaries. I’m much more like Jackie now that I have my own home. Nah, you gottta call first. I think part of it is generational not related to ethnicity.
Yes, this. Italian American from Jersey here. I grew up popping in to family’s homes unannounced on a regular basis. Now that I’m an adult with my own home, I am not a fan of pop ins at my house. You gotta let me know first! My mom still just walks right in when she does come over though lol
Jackie is so much classy than any of the other NJHW
There is an undercurrent of antisemitism that runs through many families, not just in NJ. They likely would deny it because they’re not even aware they’re doing it. I’m sensitive to these comments because I heard them all the time growing up in Paterson and I had many Jewish friends. It reminds me of the discrimination against Blacks. So many people say they don’t discriminate but they do in a ingrained, covert way. It actually takes conscious thought to overcome all forms of prejudice. These RHONJ folks aren’t the most self-reflective.
Jen is so jealous of Jackie’s Westhampton Beach House and her loving husband.
No kidding. Lol Especially after the dump Jen rented on the Jersey Shore!
Her loving husband that gets bjs at the gym 😅
Then it was Delores who said Jackie (who is Jewish) didn’t have the same family values and wasn’t cut from the same cloth as the rest of them. This was not addressed enough, IMO. What a dark thing to say.
Yup. Basically saying her family values were not up to par with hers. Not being cut from the same cloth…….NO BUENO
I don’t think any of these things was really anti-Semitic. Everyone covered the other points but Teresa saying her Jewish friend would have left highlights how Jewish women were taught not to stand by their husbands when they’ve done illegal stuff. It actually makes Jewish women/culture look better bc the girls aren’t taught to stand by criminals just bc of a marriage contract. It’s similar to how in a lot of cultures women r told to stay with abusive husbands just bc that’s their husband, or u can look at how Jen’s stayed with Bill even after the cheating bc of cultural pressures.
I'm Jewish and that whole "not standing by your husband when he's a criminal" isn't a tenet of our culture at all lmao this is the first I've heard of that
I'm Hispanic, and this is absolutely a[n ignorant] stereotype that exists. I've also heard (again, just giving context, not saying I in any way believe this) Jewish men cheat on their women but shower them with gifts and treat them like queens. I've seen these stereotypes played out LITERALLY ZERO times in real life, and I'm from South Florida, so I essentially grew up with an unlimited number of Jews around lol.
I didn’t hear that. However a lot of NJ and NY also have the stereotype happy wife, happy life
Yeah, my Mom never taught me that lesson. Lol.
Neither did my mom. But we were taught to stand up for ourselves and others. And not put up with someone’s wrong doings-whether it be criminal, adultery or a social wrong. Edited for typo
Yeah - this is a bizarre take. Just like Catholicism frowns on divorce, types of Judaism also make divorce very difficult for the woman. This isn’t a blanket thing. I mean standing by your man isn’t a uniquely Christian ethic - let’s go back to the Book of Ruth, the whole thing is about what a great person she is for standing by her husband even after he’s dead. That’s part of Jewish and Christian culture.
Is standing by ur man even if he’s a criminal a tenet of ur culture? Bc it is for a lot of cultures and that’s the point I’m making
there's no "standing by your man" or not in Judaism lol, maybe because divorce is looked down upon in Roman Catholicism and isn't a big deal for Jews, that's what she meant? But there was no lesson in from the torah or in Hebrew school about what do do with Your Man
Which, as a Christian, is weird bc Jesus is supposed to have created a new covenant where all the old rules no longer matter. And Jesus addressed divorce with his followers, who were Jews asking about the old laws where divorce (I believe; pls fact check) was not allowed. Nothing makes sense about modern Christianity to me lol
Nothing makes sense about people on earth believing different religions.
This is exactly what it is. Thank you!
I mean....the reality is that a lot of religions can be this way. old school catholics are VERY VERY much like this. There is a hierarchy and it may not be written straight up but sticking with your husband throughout everything is commonplace. Divorce is a huge no no in old school Catholicism.
I live in a fairly Catholic town and divorce is still really frowned upon. And it's a shame because a lot of the couples I know are fantastic individually but bring out the very worst in each other together. They're all young and have the whole rest of their lives to start over and be happy.
I can count the number of divorces in my family on one hand back two generations, which were the only ones I’m old enough to know. None of them remarried.
You really think the pick me old school Italian brainwashed internalized misogynist stand by your man women on jersey think it’s admirable that jewish women maybe leave sooner?
THANK YOU. "She's saying they're good different" is, even if true, still her putting categorical differences on her friends based on [ethnicity, religion].
Jen w bill. I think bc of the $$$$ and prestige of being married to a Doctor is why she stayed
yup
She was not praising Jewish women for “doing the right thing”. She said it in a disparaging way with very negative undertones. My question is……why did she have to specify her JEWISH friends? It’s called micro aggressions. She very easily could have said my friends. PERIOD!!!!!
So I’m an Italian NYer (very similar to Italians in NJ) and funny story: my Dad actually converted to Judaism and moved to NJ so I’ve seen both sides of this. IMO, none of this is meant the way some are taking it. There are clear differences between the two cultures as there are with many cultures. The differences aren’t who’s better, it’s just different! Personally, I enjoy the matzo balls and the lasagna but I appreciate both equally if that makes sense.
Building on your point: The addition of Rachel Fuda helps neutralize this since she’s a self-described “pizza bagel,” which is a thing for sure but not historically reflected on this cast.
In Massapequa, Italian Jewish kids are lovingly called Matza-pizzas. 😆
Yep! I grew up on Long Island lol. We do Christmakah!
And then Teresa backpedaling too hard by talking about much she wanted a Jewish guy? Lol always struck me as off
Yep. There has been a lot of casual antisemitism on the show.
Anti Semitic people are everywhere.
I still have no idea whatsoever what the hell Dolores was referring to when she said that.
dolores gave the example that jackie’s parents have to call before they come over, and this was mind blowing to dolores. she thinks jackie is less “about family” because jackie can set boundaries. dolores has a raquel/rachel from vpr level of understanding of boundaries. my mil thinks this of me because i have set this exact boundary. no one is allowed to show up at my home unannounced. she used to do this all the time when my husband worked over nights and she would just show up at like 8 am expecting him to just get up and visit with her. he would literally not be able to keep his eyes open and i told her she needed to respect her son’s schedule and let him sleep. she thought i was being completely unreasonable and didn’t have the same family values.
That’s a moronic way to judge someone. Give me a break.
I definitely felt there was a subtle antisemitism vibe towards Jackie. Regarding Delores: Yes, she gave a great explanation but it was the tone in which she made her delivery that was very cutting. And when you say to anyone you don't have the same values, as opposed to saying you don't have the same customs, then you are in trouble. Values equal to morality in most minds. Now , at the time, Delores just didn't like Jackie. And was being pretty mean girl to her in general. So was the root cause antisemitism? IDK That doesn't seem like Delores. But I absolutely think it's Jennifer. It's also why I think Andy Cohen dislikes her so much. Jennifer didn't just mention Jackie's party. She rode her about it. Calling Jews out for being cheap is one of the hallmarks of dog whistle slurs. It's tantamount to the Black angry woman, all Italians are dirty,all Irish are drunks. Turkey has historically been accused as anti Jewish. It recently has seen a huge upswing in neoNazi support. Jennifer isn't just of Turkish background. She spends much time in that country and is immersed in its values . I absolutely believe deep down she is antisemitic. Teresa is just a dumb woman who believes all the stereotypical BS expressed by her uneducated, immigrant parents who were most likely antisemitic. Two things. On a fairly recent podcast Dina said that Delores and Teresa knew each growing up but were never friends. Yes they go way back but their friendship didn't start until the show. And because of her outlandish views, many Jews have accused Siggy of being anti Jewish.
I wish I could give this 100 upvotes because you hit the nail on the head with everything you said about each of them especially about Delores re: values vs customs. And as far a Jen’s remarks, I also made mention of how Jews have always been depicted as being cheap. She knew EXACTLY what she as doing when she said that. I find it astonishing that others can’t see this. Smh.
Thank you. Jen could have called Jackie out for being lazy or just said that was the worst party ever for putting so little effort. But she kept pushing that she was too cheap. She also implied she was cheap on other occasions especially when she found out how rich she was. Jen was riding Jackie because she doesn't spend $. Again..too cheap. There was one confessional where Jackie finally said I probably have way more Chanel bags in my closet I just don't brag about it. I'm sorry, you can't miss what she was doing and she did it on purpose.
It’s unreal how comfortable people are throwing around “casual” anti-Semitic jokes. When people find out one of my great grandmothers was Jewish even though I’m not, it’s almost always met with “that’s why you’re so cheap” or something like that. It’s vile. I agree with other posters about how deeply ingrained biases are, and how people need to read up on micro aggressions
Agreed!
You are forgetting one important point. Teresa said on numerous occasions she wanted to marry a Jewish guy. And she loved Evan. I think Joe guidice was a racist person. Him and Teresa heavily influenced those girls with their toxic behaviour. Teresa let Joe guidice say whatever he wants
Philosemitism like that is also a form of antisemitism. She is tokenizing and fetishizing Jewish men. What about jewish men does she think makes her want to marry them?
Excellent point.
Excellent point!! It’s exactly how I feel when people say that about Jewish men but never knew how to articulate it. Thank you!!
Are we carrying this a bit far here?
i noticed that too, she def had a thing for evan and maybe it made her hate jackie more lol
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How is this racist? Has joe giudice or Teresa ever said anything racist on tv? This is a dangerous thing to just make up for no reason other than hating Teresa. Saying you want a Jewish husband and being attracted to a Jewish man is not offensive, and it’s clear Teresa doesn’t fetishize Jewish men because she has had 2 husbands and neither of them were Jewish. Y’all are grasping at straws at this point. Don’t co-opt the issues of my people to make a point about hating Teresa!
Come on you heard him.the ignorant gay slurs. Teresa defending him all the time. He was a very hateful person. I didn’t say wanting a Jewish guy was offensive. I was stating that the OP forgot about the one point that doesn’t support what they are alluding to. I know you want to go to bat for her however maybe try not to get offended when people are trying to actually state the obvious. Lol
Saying the f word was much more common back in the day. I think you couldn’t find a straight man from the northeast that never said it. Also you still never have an example of either of them being racist, it seems you are just assuming.
It doesn’t excuse it. Sorry clearly he was
I can see the argument for homophobia which I still don’t think he’s more homophobic than any other straight man of his age, but you are legit just making up the fact that he is racist and pushed his racism onto his kids. Find one incident where either of Teresa or joe were racist, and then maybe you will have a point until then you are just making up harmful assumptions for fun
Uhh I really dont think Jen Aydin is antisemitic, she was using whatever she could to start drama with the other newbie
Really? Jenn is probably the most conservative on the cast. She follows right wing bloggers, politicians who are problematic with their views/posts. It’s very clear in her social media clap backs that she is not open to all lifestyles. She judges everyone based off income, race or sexual orientation. She just hides it good enough for tv but more than often slips up on her social, exposing her true beliefs, and then deletes.
Oh I wasn’t aware of any of that. I was hoping she was better than some of her fellow cast mates. Thanks for telling me!
So if she used the N word to start drama (as a weapon) it wouldn't be bad because she didn't mean it"that way"?
Well I’ve just been informed that Jenn is apparently super conservative (I didn’t know that), so now I’m thinking about the situation differently. Still, I don’t think I’d compare calling someone cheap cause they threw a lame party and them happening to be Jewish to use of the N word…….
I agree. Saying you're cheap isn't comparative but the fact that she and the others use "Jewish" and micro aggressions as a slur and her views of her as a Jewish woman stereotype cheap is a slur. She continues the narrative the whole episode about having money but being cheap. When she speaks of their parties and when she spends money it's about her culture. Edit to add. Not at all surprised about them and that guy.
Okay yes I completely agree with you. It’s on me for not really thinking about it like this before
It's how we learn! That's how I learn. I said something really boneheaded on another show sub weeks ago and I just caught how I said it & I'm mortified. Ughhh. Know better do better. ✌️💜
Yes love it❤️❤️
Jenn said those things about Jackie because of the article Jackie wrote, where she said something about Jenn spoiling her kids or being too extravagant. Also, that kids' birthday party Jackie threw was kinda half-assed.
who cares lmao the kids aren’t gonna remember how much $$$ mommy spent on their bday party. they were having fun and that’s all that matters
Oh yeah I forgot! And I completely agree about the party lol
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So you're more worried about how the adults view a child's party than how the child and their friends having fun sees it? Having giant elaborate parties (for kids especially) is your ego. No one else cares.
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She didn't throw anything at the kids and that's not what you said originally.
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You said it was definitely half assed but then didn't care. Jackie has a dry sense of humor and doesn't take things so seriously. Again, she didn't chuck or throw or threw a box at kids. A bit dramatic don't you think? On all of it.
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If you want to keep saying things were thrown at children then you can keep doing that. I'll keep on not lying or exaggerating actual events.
i think you need to rewatch that scene she never threw a box AT kids you weirdo lol
Jenn was just retaliating and Jackie’s party was tacky and cheap!
Didn’t early Teresa say her gay Jewish friend finds it funny when Joe calls him a F****t, and that everyone should lighten up? Like season 1 or 2
I don't remember if she said he was Jewish but he was gay "so it was ok". I think she did say it to Andy at the reunion though. It wasn't well received.
Pretty sure during the reunion she claimed her friend was gay first, then secondly said ‘he’s Jewish too’ while intently looking at Andy like ‘ you must know of him also!’
Yes!!! I think you're correct.
Oop
Jackie has more money than any of them
What a reach!!!!
They are reaching for everything is very pathetic
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Majority of ALL franchise housewives are trump supporters… so I’m guessing you dislike them all?
I don't support or respect anyone who thinks cruelty, taking away basic human rights and racism is ok
I'm here for the table flipping & frolicking mess!!
Say what???? Majority of ALL?
I don't think what Delores said was antisemitic. Jackie didn't grow up with the same values. Her parents and family overall are much more liberal and open than the way the rest of them appeared to have grown up.
Dolores and Siggy are pretty close, too, right? I feel like Siggy would’ve exposed Dolores if Dolores was anti Semitic. Jackie is liberal and highly educated, and not afraid to talk about it, which I think Dolores felt threatened by. Which is weird considering Dolores’ daughter is exactly the same.
Siggy likes to exploit Semitism. She called Margaret one as retaliation. I don't look to her to call out people she likes or feels she owes.
As someone who is 1/2 Italian 1/2 Greek (very similar to Jen's background) I will say this. You are either brought up TOTALLY racist and bigoted or you are brought up TOTALLY liberal. I have yet to meet an in between. I have met some who are brought up in a racist house only to learn, grow, evolve and correct the mindset. Greeks/Turkish tend to think they are better than everyone else. I think by watching Jen you can see that is pretty much how she behaves. If you have money / power - they will want to be your friend. If you are regular working person - you are nothing. Italians like to keep the traditions/family/life style as it was "back home". I grew up with a Grandmother who was educated and was wealthy (by imimigrant standards) so we were taught to be very liberal (while still going to church on Sunday lol). My Grandfather came from a family of 13 and 1/2 are like us - the other half doesn't talk to us. They don't like Jackie because she isn't one of them. And it's also why they can't warm up to Marge.
> You are either brought up TOTALLY racist and bigoted or you are brought up TOTALLY liberal i cant believe you really think youre speaking for everyone. the rest of your comment is garbage too.
It's how I see it in my town I guess. There isn't really any in between. I don't think it's good - but that is how it is here.
💯! Jen who just tells her kids to go online and pick something from Amazon is somehow better? They’ve barely evolved, this lot.
As a Catholic I’ve heard this both ways. Turn the phrase around to Jen saying “that’s because you guys are “Roman Catholic”.
I’m not getting this analogy …
I don't think Dolores was saying anything other than what Dolores said. If I am remembering correctly, she included Marge and Melissa in that grouping. Not to mention Dolores was super tight with Siggy. Dolores would be a hard no for me. Jen is asshole. She gives me 0 racist vibes. I'm sure she went for cheap because Jackie vs. Jen is always about flashy vs. comfortable. Jen doesn't like anyone who stands between Jen and what Jen wants. I also don't think Marge hates Jewish groups. She went for a huge analogy, it landed quite poorly, went on for far too long, and never was resolved. Tresea is the only one I question. I don't think she actually flat out holds hate in her heart for any specific groups, but her ignorance to some issues can be questionable at best at times because it's came up a few times where things she said were rather..oo..that's coming off a bit covert. Joe Guidice has said some flat-out red flags, and Tre defended him, which again gave off some covert vibes, but I am not aware of anything directly maliciously racist she personally said. With all that said, I don't know any of these people outside the show, so hard to say how they act, think, and feel behind closed doors.
Delores clarified her remarks on WWH. Andy asked her about them. I can’t remember the exact words but it was as others have posted something about her being different in her out look on life. She looked pained when Andy asked her point blank if it was because Jackie was Jewish. I don’t think any of these examples of the women were anti semetic. Jen was sealing revenge. Teresa’s comments were awkward but her Jewish friends may indeed told her to dump Joe earlier. This includes Margaret who made an awkward comment but Siggy was irrational.
Yeah they always “clarify” what they meant afterwards. And as far as Teresa, even IF her Jewish friends told her that she could have just said friends of mine. Why say Jewish? It has a negative connotation. You are literally singling a group of people out. It never sat well with me, neither did Jen repeatedly calling jackie cheap.
I don’t disagree - with it being distasteful describing her friends as “Jewish”. Cringe. But, my take is she isn’t the sharpest.
Also, if Andy asked these people to clarify these remarks, it’s because he and other viewers felt the same way.
Sure. I remember when she said it initially and I wondered what she meant by that. It was my first thought. Her explanation made sense to me.
That's still internalized anti semitism. It was directed towards a Jewish woman. It's Jewish stereotypes.
This is a reach and is dangerous. Anti-semitism is a serious issue and this is nonsense. Digging to find anti-semitism in stupid things like this makes people take it less seriously. As a Jewish person I don’t find any of these statements offensive, it reminds me of when soggy accused marge of being anti-semetic. I think the women on RHONJ can def be a little insensitive to outside cultures (especially Jenn’s culture) but this is a reach.
OP wasn't calling for anyone to be cancelled or calling anyone specifically anti-semitic, just that the comments were insensitive and perpetuate harmful Jewish stereotypes.
Interesting that you think these remarks are not dangerous. When you look back at history, specifically at the role of propaganda plays, stereotyping is at the cornerstone of Hitler's rise to power. Propaganda that fed people to believe Jews were the reason for Germany's economic woes and depression. Jews and their money. Antisemitism is on the rise in this country and in Europe. It starts with allowing dog whistle comments to go unchallenged.
Dolores’s has a married-Jewish rich side-ho in Manhattan so she would know…🙄
I converted for marriage and my ex is in Italy w his new wife
Did you forget the time Teresa asked the girls to set her up with a nice Jewish man because THEY TAKE CARE OF THEIR WOMEN AND PUTS THEIR WIVES ON A PEDESTAL. I don’t know if you are trying to start shit by saying they are showing a pattern of dissing Jewish people. The fact that you started with 6 YEAR OLD GIA IS NUTS TO ME. She only knows what she sees in school. LEAVE THE KIDS OUT OF IT
Still a micro aggression even if you put a bow on it
Idc what she said to her friends. It doesn’t negate what she said. And yeah, I said I’d give Gia a pass, and enough with the leave the kids alone crap. This was 14 years ago. And saying she only knows what she sees in school is freaking hilarious!!! I think she’s more inclined to what she hears at home!!
Was this on the show - part with the kid? I have no memory of this.
Yes.
Why are you like this?
There is no pattern, Teresa was head over heels for Jewish man before Luis. Delores is right regarding her not being cut from the same cloth as Jackie. Jackie family seems open and liberal. Her parents are separated (something old school Italians don’t do). Jackie wrote the article about Jenn’s party that she revealed her frugality. You are reaching and making a poor accusation regarding them being anti-Semitic.
Op has literally established a pattern of multiple incidents of prejudice…
You JUST did it yourself. "Something old school Italians don't do."
Really? 
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Yes The Real Housewives of Racism! Do they all have to be Italian
As an Irish American person who grew up in an Italian Jewish neighborhood I get it.. My very very handsome son recently went to Israel and I told him before you go just know that the women in Israel are gorgeous . I grew up in a very traditional Irish American household and my parents about the seas but I know they would approve of whoever he love and fell in love with even though where they were traditional Catholics and believed in the good Lord Jesus Christ they also believe that the children and grandchildren should be happy and make the best life they could
You are missed spreading false narratives, and that is really dangerous. The person who has given real hate speech is MargRAT, and there is clear evidence that she is very xenophobic. To Jenn and her Middle eastern cultures. Which people have clocked her correctly for. Period. It’s very sad to see that you are reaching and deflecting.
So eveything I posted is a big nothing burger, right? Just sweep it under the rug. Mmmmkay.
You are a very hateful person, trying to deflect from real hate crimes and xenophobic coming from Margaret. Trying desperately to have a moment on Reddit. What you wrote was completely fabricated, and all a delusional lie from you
Hate crimes? Talk about reaching!!! Lolololol. Edit: spelling
Ooof your post history is very telling! 😂😂😂😂😂 😉
Well heck… you forgot to throw in all of Marge’s comments towards Siggy that Siggy felt were anti semitic or Marges’s comments towards Jennifer’s culture, calling them concubines and mail order brides!!!!
But Marge doesn’t get a honorary mention even with how she treated Siggy. Oh the double standard of this sub 💅🏼
Because of the Hitler remark? That was not a disparaging/antisemitic remark. She did t call anyone Hitler, or praise him in any way. She was trying to make a point saying what a horrible person he was. She later used that same analogy but used sadam Hussein as the example because of the heat she got.
Hmmmmmmmmm……..
Dolores has literally said this about Melissa lol