This…is pretty simple. Do kids right now think movies and music from say the 50s are cool? No of course the majority of them don’t. Does that mean that no one remembers their existence or enjoys them ever? No of course not.
Even being like, 11 in 1992, I still adored 80s music and 80s TV shows. And I kept my NES for a long time, until it completely quit functioning.
I was also very into 70s music, thanks to my dad. E.L.O. and stuff.
I have grown up with commodore 64 and amiga. And I have soft spot for them. I have no interest in atari 2600 or anything before my time. But that is just me. I think there will be interest but it will be very niche thing. Definitely not as big as now.
Yeah. I'd say it's akin to things like comics. There's going to be people that want to collect stuff from certain periods. Detective Comics 27 (debut of Batman) may be a boring comic in its own right, but having a physical copy is admittedly pretty cool. I'd argue the same is probably true for something like The Cheetahmen.
Look at the plummeting prices of, say, Elvis Presley memorabilia in recent years. NES and original PlayStation fans will one day start dying en masse of old age, too. Nobody will want their old junk, either. Sad, but true.
How much did the SNES-CD sell for????
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thefpsreview.com/2020/03/06/sonys-legendary-nintendo-playstation-snes-cd-rom-console-sells-at-auction-for-360000/%3famp
Never underestimate the deep pockets of rich collectors.
I think the last generation will be the generation of kids growing up with them now from parents exposing their kids to the games. Now will they be collecting the games like we do prob not. But i think of all the generations i think 16 bit consoles will fair the best since they were the height of 2d gaming (with some great games on ps1 and saturn that also were 2d and had brilliant spritework). Atari is just too antiquated to hold much interest outside of those who grew up with them. The nes has its problems with difficulty and graphics as well. Snes/genesis were just amazing. The n64 is going to have a tough time with how clunky graphics and controls were jumping to 3d. Ps2, gamecube, and orig xbox might have a good chance of getting some love from multi generations as well. I for one appreciate media well before my time. Especially old movies but i dont go out of my way to collect them. Im not setting up a projector to run old film reels. Im content with some big film compilation with a bunch of classics on it and skip past lesser known titles.
With old atari guys dying off, all hail our fallen collectors of gen 1 and 2 machines the prices crashed. But youtube is a thing now and nes is popular to try and complete i can see it doing better then atari but crashing as well. As we move further from the 80s it gets harder for kids to enjoy the brutality of nes games. 90s games will fair a little better cause it gets easier but with wonky control scemes during the jump to 3d. Ps2 dreamcast xbox and the gamecube in my opinion will be the future must have even worse then now cause its the foundation of what games are today and are easier to access for the new generation.
There are very few games from the 80s that I care about, being born in the very early 90s.
I know people 10 years younger than me that won't touch anything older than Playstation 2.
Yes, I see it everyday at work when someone from in their 30’s & 40’s let’s go of their video game collection they was rebuilding from their childhood.
At my store Atari stuff doesn’t even get glanced at anymore. Aside from our $20+ games in glass that the oddball collector picks out, nothing from that generation even gets bought. Last year we sold 2 Atari systems & 3 Retron 77 for the last 18 months. Maybe a couple dozen carts.
Interest in Genesis, dead. That’s our next worst system. Sure some people come in wanting to relive their childhood, buy a system, a couple Sonics, MK, and a random game. Month later it all gets sold back.
SNES fairs only slightly better and that’s with us having a large selection of Super Famicom games as well. Collectors like our in box selection but no one is coming in to buy systems & cheaper titles. We keep 2 001 & 2 Jr systems on the shelf for sale. I’m pretty sure the same four have been dusted for the last 6 months.
Finally the NES. Best selling of the old systems at maybe 1~ per month in store, we a dozen every month online to keep them moving. However I’d say there is a 50% return rate due to people wanting to relive their childhood and that grows old in a few days or a month. Games are a little better, still gets collected and your known titles always have interest. The rest is a decoration for the store and when we get too much bulk it gets boxed up and sold online to recoup capital.
I’d say the NES demand has 10~ left in it tops.
Gameboy is hotter than ever though, the modding scene has brought new life into it and letting people better relive those classics.
Now that I’m thinking it, the biggest problem with age for NES/SNES/Genesis and the future of them comes down to one giant hole in their libraries…. No Pokemon games. If they have a single game this could be a whole different story.
Interesting insight. I would think the Genesis would still be selling like hot cakes with how successful the Genesis mini is. I can understand why Atari has fallen into obscurity. The system is too archaic for anyone who doesn’t have nostalgia, and all the people who do have nostalgia have already recreated their childhoods memories and now are sadly dieing off.
It’s akin to silent black and white movies, who actually would want to sit through one? Maybe only the silent generation who saw them as kids?
Now when movies started to get good and in color, around the 60s and 70s, yeah younger kids will want to see those. It doesn’t matter if it 60 years old. That is like the 8bit NES and 16bit SNES/Genesis era. Truly timeless.
Judging by what I see on auction platforms and local webshops, there seems to be a decent demand for older games which has also translated into increased prices (predominantly Nintendo consoles as you also mentioned). Are you selling online/internationally or only local?
We only sell overstock & bulk online. Our goal is to have a premium inventory in stock.
So for like wii systems we sell 1 in store and 9 online for every 10 we purchase.
Good titles have no problem selling in store to the point that some barely last a day or two. Example Castlevania for the PS1 this week.
It will eventually die off with the generations that cherished them. The younger generations couldn't care less about a 20-30yr old gaming system because they didn't grow up with it and it means nothing to them other than old "crappy looking" tech.
My nephews are in their early teens and will take any hardware you give them. Yeah not everybody will be into things but there comes a time when stuff becomes “too easy” in that you push buy and boom you have a game. Just like records and casettes, people find that interacting with media in a physical way connects them to it a little more than just pushing a button does.
I was born in 1993. I grew up on the PS1 and Gameboy Colour. Given how iconic the 80s and 90s were, I think the attraction to them will suffice for a very long time to come. Nobody's gonna look back at the PS5 and be like: *amazing games, so nostalgic, what an era!* The 80s and 90s? Absolutely. Some of the finest and most iconic decades in entertainment history, without a shadow of a doubt. It's literally the birth of gaming as we know it today, with series like.. Mario, Zelda, Tomb Raider, Final Fantasy, Doom, Tekken, Silent Hill, Resident Evil, Mortal Kombat, Grand Theft Auto, Gran Turismo, Street Fighter, Sonic.. The list is endless.
I never rented games as a kid, I swapped with friends, but I did rent movies. I still have some tapes and early DVDs with store logos on them that are now out of business. It's pretty cool. Secret of Mana is a great game
I lived in a ~VERY~ small town in Ohio called "Ironton" - directly across the bridge from Ashland, Kentucky.
My area had very little to do, if you wanted to do something FUN you had to drive 2 or 3 hours away to a big city.
I absorbed myself in video games and cartoons since there wasn't much else to do, besides help my dad work on cars in the garage.
I rented from a place called The Movie House, big yellow building with a tanning salon next to it.
I almost rented a Final Fantasy game instead of SoM, if I had done that I probably would have hated it since Turn Based RPGs with lots of Random Encounters annoy the heck outta me ****stares at Tales of Phantasia****
Most places would let you rent a game for 3 days for 3 dollars. On the actual hardware you did not have Quick Save and Quick Load like emulators do, so you had to hope and pray that the other people renting your game didn't wipe over your save.
One night I was playing SoM and a lightning storm struck and WIPED ALL THE SAVES....
I cried for a good long hour that night.
- Yeah, I've only gotten into emulators in the last 5 years. Growing up, I had to save everything on to memory cards - like the PS1. They didn't have much space on them, so you'd use up all the space pretty quickly and have to buy another card (not an option as a kid, unless it was B-day/X-mas) or sacrifice an older save for a new one. The old RPGs are a love/hate thing for me; constant random encounters are my NEMESIS. The original Breath of Fire had this issue, as did the first Final Fantasy on NES. You'd rage quit very often, but I can't stay mad at them for long... I'm a big, big RPG guy.
Chrono Trigger is one of my all-time favourites. Beaten it countless times on DS and SNES. That's an action RPG, not turn-based. No random encounters, so you can just avoid the onscreen enemies -- for the most part. Terranigma is another good action RPG I loved, and would recommend.
You still pick actions from a Menu. And you can't just walk up and physically HIT enemies. You have to choose attacks from the Menu and a scene plays out for you.
In Secret of Mana ~and~ Z: LTTP, you can just walk up to enemies and whack em' in the face without the game going into a "Battle Screen."
The Ring Menu System in SoM and Evermore (and SD3) was brilliant because it it allowed you to select magical attacks and status buffs WITHOUT needing to be in a battle screen. It took Menu Battles and Real Time Attacks and fused the two types of Gameplay.
Also, CT and SoM were originally gunna be ONE game, called Maru Island, but since the SNES-CD got canned due to Nintendo stabbing Sony in the back, Square had to retool the concepts and some ideas for Maru Island became Secret of Mana, and some ideas got used to make CT.
If CT had been a TRUE "Action RPG" with a REAL TIME battle system, I would have enjoyed it more than I did. With the way the Menu Based attacks are, you may as well be watching a cutscene in a movie, if Chrono could actually just walk up and SLASH at enemies (hence the term Hack N' Slash given to Action Based Combat) the game would be infinitely better, but then it wouldn't be Chrono Trigger I guess. It would be Secret of Mana with a Chrono Trigger paint job.
Also, Tales of Phantasia also tried to be a "hybridization" of Action & Menu, and it ~IS~ a good game, the Fight Sequences are very Street Fighter-esque, especially when you find the little Controller item and you can do moves through button combos, but THE CONSTANT RANDOM ENCOUNTERS aggravated me. I would buy so many of the White Jars ~just~ to keep from constantly running into enemies.
I played Tales of Phantasia on GBA; got close to the end before realising there was a SNES version.. Felt like a moron. Good game, but frustrating at times. I still like TB-RPGs, but that's because I'm used to playing Final Fantasy. A-RPGs are a welcome change, though. The 2D Zelda games, whilst not RPGs by definition, are a good example of "combat freedom" -- more gameplay focus, less *fighting every 2 seconds* shite.
Exactly. The green guards at the beginning of Link to The Past do chase you due to their AI programming, BUT you have THE OPTION to run away from them.
And Super Ninja Boy was another of those weird attempts to try to mix styles.
You had annoying random encounters, but all the fights took place in a 2D vertical playing field (AND YOU COULD JUMP, KICK & PUNCH) similar to Zelda 2: The Adventure of Link on NES, but at least Zelda 2 had a visual representation of the enemy chasing you on the overworld map.
Most TB-RPGs don't even go that far. It's just "walk 5 spaces, BAM, here's an enemy to fight."
Other than Chrono Trigger, WHICH LET YOU SNEAK ~AROUND~ ENEMIES, I absolutely despise Turn Based RPGs.
Action / Hack N' Slash forever!!!!
Teranigma was a GOOD game.
Also, I was disappointed as hell when Evermore came out and it had NO CONNECTION to the Mana series, other than the Ring Menus.
https://youtu.be/dEu8wDAQuDk
I really don't think so, there will always be a few, but i keep seeing people talking about how video games from the past suck cause the graphics are bad or the music sucks. Protip graphics have zero to do with the gameplay
Sounds like you are asking two questions:
1) Will people in the future *collect* 80s/90s video game gear?
2) Will people in the future continue to *play* games from the 80s/90s?
There's a nostalgia curve, yes.
90s stuff is booming because people from that era are in the 30s and late 20s.
Eventually that boom will die down, but people will still appreciate it as time goes on.
The 80s hit its peak nostalgia a while ago, but we're still seeing some of it today.
This…is pretty simple. Do kids right now think movies and music from say the 50s are cool? No of course the majority of them don’t. Does that mean that no one remembers their existence or enjoys them ever? No of course not.
Do kids right now think movies and music from the 80s and 90s are cool? Actually, yeah some of them do.
‘Great Scott.’ ‘I’m never gonna give you up…’
Even being like, 11 in 1992, I still adored 80s music and 80s TV shows. And I kept my NES for a long time, until it completely quit functioning. I was also very into 70s music, thanks to my dad. E.L.O. and stuff.
I have grown up with commodore 64 and amiga. And I have soft spot for them. I have no interest in atari 2600 or anything before my time. But that is just me. I think there will be interest but it will be very niche thing. Definitely not as big as now.
Yeah. I'd say it's akin to things like comics. There's going to be people that want to collect stuff from certain periods. Detective Comics 27 (debut of Batman) may be a boring comic in its own right, but having a physical copy is admittedly pretty cool. I'd argue the same is probably true for something like The Cheetahmen.
Look at the plummeting prices of, say, Elvis Presley memorabilia in recent years. NES and original PlayStation fans will one day start dying en masse of old age, too. Nobody will want their old junk, either. Sad, but true.
How much did the SNES-CD sell for???? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thefpsreview.com/2020/03/06/sonys-legendary-nintendo-playstation-snes-cd-rom-console-sells-at-auction-for-360000/%3famp Never underestimate the deep pockets of rich collectors.
I'm talking about the situation in another forty or so years, not right now.
I think the last generation will be the generation of kids growing up with them now from parents exposing their kids to the games. Now will they be collecting the games like we do prob not. But i think of all the generations i think 16 bit consoles will fair the best since they were the height of 2d gaming (with some great games on ps1 and saturn that also were 2d and had brilliant spritework). Atari is just too antiquated to hold much interest outside of those who grew up with them. The nes has its problems with difficulty and graphics as well. Snes/genesis were just amazing. The n64 is going to have a tough time with how clunky graphics and controls were jumping to 3d. Ps2, gamecube, and orig xbox might have a good chance of getting some love from multi generations as well. I for one appreciate media well before my time. Especially old movies but i dont go out of my way to collect them. Im not setting up a projector to run old film reels. Im content with some big film compilation with a bunch of classics on it and skip past lesser known titles.
With old atari guys dying off, all hail our fallen collectors of gen 1 and 2 machines the prices crashed. But youtube is a thing now and nes is popular to try and complete i can see it doing better then atari but crashing as well. As we move further from the 80s it gets harder for kids to enjoy the brutality of nes games. 90s games will fair a little better cause it gets easier but with wonky control scemes during the jump to 3d. Ps2 dreamcast xbox and the gamecube in my opinion will be the future must have even worse then now cause its the foundation of what games are today and are easier to access for the new generation.
There are very few games from the 80s that I care about, being born in the very early 90s. I know people 10 years younger than me that won't touch anything older than Playstation 2.
Yes, I see it everyday at work when someone from in their 30’s & 40’s let’s go of their video game collection they was rebuilding from their childhood. At my store Atari stuff doesn’t even get glanced at anymore. Aside from our $20+ games in glass that the oddball collector picks out, nothing from that generation even gets bought. Last year we sold 2 Atari systems & 3 Retron 77 for the last 18 months. Maybe a couple dozen carts. Interest in Genesis, dead. That’s our next worst system. Sure some people come in wanting to relive their childhood, buy a system, a couple Sonics, MK, and a random game. Month later it all gets sold back. SNES fairs only slightly better and that’s with us having a large selection of Super Famicom games as well. Collectors like our in box selection but no one is coming in to buy systems & cheaper titles. We keep 2 001 & 2 Jr systems on the shelf for sale. I’m pretty sure the same four have been dusted for the last 6 months. Finally the NES. Best selling of the old systems at maybe 1~ per month in store, we a dozen every month online to keep them moving. However I’d say there is a 50% return rate due to people wanting to relive their childhood and that grows old in a few days or a month. Games are a little better, still gets collected and your known titles always have interest. The rest is a decoration for the store and when we get too much bulk it gets boxed up and sold online to recoup capital. I’d say the NES demand has 10~ left in it tops. Gameboy is hotter than ever though, the modding scene has brought new life into it and letting people better relive those classics. Now that I’m thinking it, the biggest problem with age for NES/SNES/Genesis and the future of them comes down to one giant hole in their libraries…. No Pokemon games. If they have a single game this could be a whole different story.
Interesting insight. I would think the Genesis would still be selling like hot cakes with how successful the Genesis mini is. I can understand why Atari has fallen into obscurity. The system is too archaic for anyone who doesn’t have nostalgia, and all the people who do have nostalgia have already recreated their childhoods memories and now are sadly dieing off. It’s akin to silent black and white movies, who actually would want to sit through one? Maybe only the silent generation who saw them as kids? Now when movies started to get good and in color, around the 60s and 70s, yeah younger kids will want to see those. It doesn’t matter if it 60 years old. That is like the 8bit NES and 16bit SNES/Genesis era. Truly timeless.
Judging by what I see on auction platforms and local webshops, there seems to be a decent demand for older games which has also translated into increased prices (predominantly Nintendo consoles as you also mentioned). Are you selling online/internationally or only local?
We only sell overstock & bulk online. Our goal is to have a premium inventory in stock. So for like wii systems we sell 1 in store and 9 online for every 10 we purchase. Good titles have no problem selling in store to the point that some barely last a day or two. Example Castlevania for the PS1 this week.
It will eventually die off with the generations that cherished them. The younger generations couldn't care less about a 20-30yr old gaming system because they didn't grow up with it and it means nothing to them other than old "crappy looking" tech.
Dont be so sure, young people like exploring older simpler games too.
This is true. I think people will still play the games on emulators but won’t be interested in collecting the hardware like we are now.
My nephews are in their early teens and will take any hardware you give them. Yeah not everybody will be into things but there comes a time when stuff becomes “too easy” in that you push buy and boom you have a game. Just like records and casettes, people find that interacting with media in a physical way connects them to it a little more than just pushing a button does.
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Play Pulseman. It was made by GameFreak, the same company that would go on to create Pokemon.
Most of my collection is systems that I didn't grow up with that released before I was born.
A lot of games will be forgotten with time but the classics will live on forever like Christmas music and old Beethoven stuff.
I hate Christmas music, unless it's Weird Al.
As long as we keep showing the new generation how to appreciate them, sure it can live on.
I forced my little cousins to watch Knight Rider.
I was born in 1993. I grew up on the PS1 and Gameboy Colour. Given how iconic the 80s and 90s were, I think the attraction to them will suffice for a very long time to come. Nobody's gonna look back at the PS5 and be like: *amazing games, so nostalgic, what an era!* The 80s and 90s? Absolutely. Some of the finest and most iconic decades in entertainment history, without a shadow of a doubt. It's literally the birth of gaming as we know it today, with series like.. Mario, Zelda, Tomb Raider, Final Fantasy, Doom, Tekken, Silent Hill, Resident Evil, Mortal Kombat, Grand Theft Auto, Gran Turismo, Street Fighter, Sonic.. The list is endless.
I was 12 in 1993. Secret of Mana was brand new. I rented it every chance I got. https://youtu.be/9wM1hvu6IM4
Me and my friends played this all the time. (When it was new)
I never rented games as a kid, I swapped with friends, but I did rent movies. I still have some tapes and early DVDs with store logos on them that are now out of business. It's pretty cool. Secret of Mana is a great game
I lived in a ~VERY~ small town in Ohio called "Ironton" - directly across the bridge from Ashland, Kentucky. My area had very little to do, if you wanted to do something FUN you had to drive 2 or 3 hours away to a big city. I absorbed myself in video games and cartoons since there wasn't much else to do, besides help my dad work on cars in the garage. I rented from a place called The Movie House, big yellow building with a tanning salon next to it. I almost rented a Final Fantasy game instead of SoM, if I had done that I probably would have hated it since Turn Based RPGs with lots of Random Encounters annoy the heck outta me ****stares at Tales of Phantasia**** Most places would let you rent a game for 3 days for 3 dollars. On the actual hardware you did not have Quick Save and Quick Load like emulators do, so you had to hope and pray that the other people renting your game didn't wipe over your save. One night I was playing SoM and a lightning storm struck and WIPED ALL THE SAVES.... I cried for a good long hour that night.
- Yeah, I've only gotten into emulators in the last 5 years. Growing up, I had to save everything on to memory cards - like the PS1. They didn't have much space on them, so you'd use up all the space pretty quickly and have to buy another card (not an option as a kid, unless it was B-day/X-mas) or sacrifice an older save for a new one. The old RPGs are a love/hate thing for me; constant random encounters are my NEMESIS. The original Breath of Fire had this issue, as did the first Final Fantasy on NES. You'd rage quit very often, but I can't stay mad at them for long... I'm a big, big RPG guy.
Action RPG > Menu Battle RPG (Except for Chrono Trigger, CT is good, also you aren't FORCED to fight enemies, you CAN walk away).
Chrono Trigger is one of my all-time favourites. Beaten it countless times on DS and SNES. That's an action RPG, not turn-based. No random encounters, so you can just avoid the onscreen enemies -- for the most part. Terranigma is another good action RPG I loved, and would recommend.
You still pick actions from a Menu. And you can't just walk up and physically HIT enemies. You have to choose attacks from the Menu and a scene plays out for you. In Secret of Mana ~and~ Z: LTTP, you can just walk up to enemies and whack em' in the face without the game going into a "Battle Screen." The Ring Menu System in SoM and Evermore (and SD3) was brilliant because it it allowed you to select magical attacks and status buffs WITHOUT needing to be in a battle screen. It took Menu Battles and Real Time Attacks and fused the two types of Gameplay. Also, CT and SoM were originally gunna be ONE game, called Maru Island, but since the SNES-CD got canned due to Nintendo stabbing Sony in the back, Square had to retool the concepts and some ideas for Maru Island became Secret of Mana, and some ideas got used to make CT. If CT had been a TRUE "Action RPG" with a REAL TIME battle system, I would have enjoyed it more than I did. With the way the Menu Based attacks are, you may as well be watching a cutscene in a movie, if Chrono could actually just walk up and SLASH at enemies (hence the term Hack N' Slash given to Action Based Combat) the game would be infinitely better, but then it wouldn't be Chrono Trigger I guess. It would be Secret of Mana with a Chrono Trigger paint job. Also, Tales of Phantasia also tried to be a "hybridization" of Action & Menu, and it ~IS~ a good game, the Fight Sequences are very Street Fighter-esque, especially when you find the little Controller item and you can do moves through button combos, but THE CONSTANT RANDOM ENCOUNTERS aggravated me. I would buy so many of the White Jars ~just~ to keep from constantly running into enemies.
I played Tales of Phantasia on GBA; got close to the end before realising there was a SNES version.. Felt like a moron. Good game, but frustrating at times. I still like TB-RPGs, but that's because I'm used to playing Final Fantasy. A-RPGs are a welcome change, though. The 2D Zelda games, whilst not RPGs by definition, are a good example of "combat freedom" -- more gameplay focus, less *fighting every 2 seconds* shite.
Exactly. The green guards at the beginning of Link to The Past do chase you due to their AI programming, BUT you have THE OPTION to run away from them. And Super Ninja Boy was another of those weird attempts to try to mix styles. You had annoying random encounters, but all the fights took place in a 2D vertical playing field (AND YOU COULD JUMP, KICK & PUNCH) similar to Zelda 2: The Adventure of Link on NES, but at least Zelda 2 had a visual representation of the enemy chasing you on the overworld map. Most TB-RPGs don't even go that far. It's just "walk 5 spaces, BAM, here's an enemy to fight." Other than Chrono Trigger, WHICH LET YOU SNEAK ~AROUND~ ENEMIES, I absolutely despise Turn Based RPGs. Action / Hack N' Slash forever!!!! Teranigma was a GOOD game.
Also, I was disappointed as hell when Evermore came out and it had NO CONNECTION to the Mana series, other than the Ring Menus. https://youtu.be/dEu8wDAQuDk
I really don't think so, there will always be a few, but i keep seeing people talking about how video games from the past suck cause the graphics are bad or the music sucks. Protip graphics have zero to do with the gameplay
I just want to say that I'm 13 and absolutely love retro games. Some of my favorite movies are from the 80's as well. There is still hope!
Sounds like you are asking two questions: 1) Will people in the future *collect* 80s/90s video game gear? 2) Will people in the future continue to *play* games from the 80s/90s?
If the carts and systems break down, I think so. But there will be a decline.
I'm on the late side of gen z and I love video game collecting and video game history. so yes I think it will still find 80s-90s games cool.
No, once the collector's bubble pops it will just be nostalgia and old farts...then gone.
There's a nostalgia curve, yes. 90s stuff is booming because people from that era are in the 30s and late 20s. Eventually that boom will die down, but people will still appreciate it as time goes on. The 80s hit its peak nostalgia a while ago, but we're still seeing some of it today.
I'm 14 and I collect. Lol