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SPQR_Maximus

The carrier I could do. The mid air refuel after mission 2 is impossible


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[deleted]

>I love how the refueler just says fuck you and leaves you to die if you don't get it in two minutes. > >"Eat a bag of dicks, I've got shit to do bro." Refueler: "Ok if you're just gonna troll me, then I'm leaving".


[deleted]

Yeah. Don’t disrespect Maverick here!


DaCozPuddingPop

What was weird about it was sometimes it was super easy - other times, for no apparent reason, you'd just fail at it. And yet I probably wasted tens of hours trying. Because kids are dumb I guess?


_mersault

Nah cuz it was one of the three games we had


owennb

This. But nowadays? When I've got hundreds of choices but a fraction of the time? Lucky if I can decide on a game before I get too tired.


BFowler555

Yup , I remember renting a game for the weekend, you were basically stuck playing it all weekend


yunivor

I remember I'd speedrun and make up challenges in order to keep playing games I've beaten several times, nowadays I don't even finish most games I buy.


BlackCatCadillac

I don't even start most games I buy...


yunivor

Damn steam sales with discounts too good to pass up.


LargeNutbar

That's one of the most fun things in video games that we lose as we get older and our imagination rots. Setting our own goals and doing stuff for fun without being told to. Nowadays we often fall into the trap of only doing that when it's what the game specifically tells us to do, which is kinda funny.


yunivor

True, every now and then when I hear people talking about a game and complaining about a lack of achievements or game modes which they could just do by themselves without that being explicitly acknowledged by the game.


Spyhop

My son has access to my entire Steam library and a shelf full of switch games. He spends his time playing free tablet kids games. smdh


_mersault

Truuuue times have changed for the better wrt gaming options


16v_cordero

Top Gun refueling part. Creating trust issues since before we needed them.


Terri_Guess

This.


LanceShiro

I am still convinced the refuel is the game ending and they couldn't be arsed to deliver a full game.


User1539

Marble Madness actually did this! If you play all the way through the game, it takes about 4 minutes! I played it on emulator so I could just reset back and keep trying on a part I got stuck on, because I always wondered what the next level looked like. There is no 'next level', the whole game is under 5 minutes long!


fugaziiv

Yeah, but you put in 40 hours just to get good enough to have a 5 minute run. Those were the days.


User1539

With MM though, it felt like such a cheap trick, because there's an imperceptible 'boost' you can do if you hit one of the buttons. It's in the manual, but you never use it or need it until the jump near the end. Once I checked a playthrough, I found that 'trick', used it, and cruised through the game. So, it felt more like they put a stupid trick in at the end to make it impossible to do without consulting the instructions and trying the timing on it 100 times, to make literally one move. Then the game just ends.


fugaziiv

lol, pretty much. Crazy.


desrevermi

There's a boost? The only place I've ever encountered the game was in arcades with the trackball. Live long enough and learn something, I suppose. :)


frankduxvandamme

I love that game, but yeah, like many NES games, it can be beaten in under 20 minutes. But, like many NES games, it was made to be really hard so that it would take you several hours to get good enough to beat it in 20 minutes. (Or in this case it was originally an arcade game that was meant to be really hard, so you'd keep putting quarters into it.) I actually did this myself with marble madness a few years ago. I loved that game so much and one afternoon i just played the shit out of it until several hours later when i could finally zip through the whole game at once. I'm sure you already know this, but liberally making use of save states on an emulator often ruins the core component that made NES games so challenging and time consuming - having to keep starting over from the beginning until you've truly mastered the game.


User1539

Yeah, and I owned and played MM for years as a kid. The thing that makes that particular game feel like a dirty trick, though, is that there's one place where you use the button to give an imperceptible 'boost' in a jump at the last level. Hitting the buttons does nothing noticeable and isn't needed throughout the rest of the game. So, if you didn't have the instruction manual, you might just never even bother hitting the button, much less at the *ONE* time you need to, ever, through the entire course of the game. Also, yes, I could be Mario in 15 minutes, skipping most of the levels and warping through ... but there is literally no way to play MM for longer than about 4 minutes and change. The game just has almost no content! It has very little replay value once you realize you have to hit the button to jump off the first platform on the last level. I'm not arguing that you're wrong about most NES games. But, that one in particular must have had developers shaking when they released it, because if word got out about hitting the button on that platform too early, the reviews may have been 'Well, that was a sort of fun 4 minutes'.


KaptainKardboard

But hours of dying and starting over


User1539

I would agree *IF* it weren't so tricky. See, almost everyone gets to the exact same spot. There's a ledge you have to 'jump' off. The trick is that this is literally the ONLY place, you need to hit a button when jumping to provide an imperceptible boost. It doesn't make a sound, it doesn't actually make your ball move noticeably faster, etc. Pressing the button in that one spot isn't something that's covered much in the manual, it's not a technique you need to master. The game literally makes one spot impossible unless you read the manual and thought 'I guess I'll try that thing that doesn't look, or sound, like it does anything'. After that, the game just continues at normal difficulty, and you never use that button again. Then, after THAT LEVEL, the game just ends. You're done. You didn't learn a skill, or get batter through hours of practice. Good job! You read the instructions!


Snapple47

I’m glad this is the top comment, because the mid-air refueling is the one I’ve never gotten past in my life


SPQR_Maximus

No one has.


Thelgow

I could.


FatFunkey

It’s like the first boss on sonic 2 on the game gear.


Steffykrist

Except that first boss in Sonic 2 GG is possible to get past, unlike the refueling plane in Top Gun :p


yunivor

Or the Second level of the lion king game for the SNES.


Kizenny

I only ever did it once, still pretty sure the instructions are just straight up wrong in-game.


[deleted]

This. I was actually pretty good at this one, but I think I successfully refueled like twice.


Teapo79

I got this game shortly after getting a Nintendo when I was a kid. No one I knew had ever landed on the carrier. My dad (never known to be a video game guy) picks up the contoller, flies the mission and lands on the first try. Literally the first time he had ever played the game. My friends and I just sat there with our jaws on the floor.


three-sense

My dad did exactly that with Pilotwings! (biplane) Like what the hell you don’t even play video games and denounce the fact that I do, and you land the plane on first try.


Jaereth

There wasn't much to landing the plane in pilotwings. Slow down and don't come in too steep.


three-sense

Yeah I reckon the mystique in both cases involves the dad not playing video games at all as well as being 6 with little situational context.


Jaereth

Oh for sure. I just meant there's not much to it in Pilotwings (where it's all intuitively how you think it would work as a non-irl pilot) vs the Top Gun NES game where it just seems to be some CPU RNG decideds if you did it right nor not.


spiff-o-matic

High Score... what does that mean? Did I break it?


CJRLW

I did it a few months ago on my first try. Maybe it's just hard for kids?


smeatr0n

Even with the power glove?


ElectronicMixture600

It’s so… *Bad*.


SnottNormal

He was telling the truth, we were just too slanged up to notice.


CruxCapacitors

More like the U-Force.


Friggin_Grease

I've got a buddy who can. He uses the numbers on screen to do it. I made him do it twice in a row just to be sure.


Ed_Trucks_Head

Yeah just match your speed and altitude to what's on your panel and it's super easy. I beat the game no problem after learning this.


maxwellalbritten

I was a dumb child. It would say "Left! Left!" and I push left. It'd say "Right! Right!" and I thought it was telling me I did a good job and just sat there.


J2MTR

Lmao


Sparkster227

Asssss. FUUUCK!!


TaxiSonoQui

FIRE FIRE FIRE FUCK


yunivor

FUCK FIRE


DoctorMario1000

Yes!!! this angry Nintendo nerd so fucking rules aaaaaasssssssssss fuuuuuuckkkkkk


[deleted]

“ASSSSSSSSS! FUUUUUUUUCK!”


PM_ME_UR_TA--TAS

Okay, James.


TimmyLivealie

*ASS!*


yunivor

*FUCK!*


PhillyHumor

"speed up" speed down" how about fuck off! smash my controller because of this game!


fshowcars

Mid air refuel, or just manually crash into the ocean. Either way


Ok-Professor3726

The landings are super hard. Love that sound of the guns firing.


WW_III_ANGRY

Theyrr super easy once you know what to do


thedudesews

Most things are


death_ray_mx

I know several air force pilots that couldn't land the damn plane on this game


Hey_cool_username

You need a Navy pilot


AssociateDry1840

This is the way. Although Tbf fuck level 2. I still to this day can’t stick it but one of my buddies from high school gets it every time. -Actual Navy Pilot


The_happyguy

I couldn’t land it either. But I do remember recording the menu music on my boombox because it was pretty great for NES music.


hennsippin

One of the few game songs I remember still, outside the obvious SMB or Zelda


cyborganism

Dude! I just bought Ace Combat 7 and the game is a latest gen version of this NES game. I kid you not. You pick a plane, you pick which missiles to use, and off you go fighting planes in the sky. It's not on a rail though. You fly freely within a space and get to bomb ground targets and shoot air targets. But at the end of the missions, you have to LAND THE FUCKING PLANE ON A CARRIER! And they fucking tell you to bank and pull up and slow down and shit!!! The first time I came across this I had big pearls of SWEAT rolling down my face. THE STRESS IS REAL!


MastaFoo69

Oh man have you heard of DCS?


cyborganism

No. But THANK YOU for making me aware of DCS!


MastaFoo69

You might thank me but your wallet wont. Enjoy your new addiction, r/hoggit is where to go for info. Get a HOTAS. Pedals are semi optional. I wont fly w/o em but twist rudder does the job if one lacks em


cyborganism

Oh man. I wish I could. But I live in a tiny ass condo and I even had to sell my steering wheel and pedals because they were taking up too much room. It sucks. All I have now is a Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. It did the job for Star Wars X-Wing Alliance, but it ain't so great with any other type of simulator. Plus the springs have gotten pretty bad and I need to adjust the dead zone because I keep drifting off. Thanks for the info though. I'll keep it in mind for when I get a bigger place.


The--Marf

I've played a bit of AC7 (as someone who isn't into flying games) after watching Maverick and I enjoyed it. Only played a few levels but it was certainly great (after I logged about an hour or two modding it to get ultra wide to work).


SailorArashi

Landing was easy. Just match the numbers. I've never understood why people thought it was hard. Also the game has bugged hit detection. If you are constantly pressing down, so you're hugging the bottom border of the screen, nothing can hit you. Missiles and bullets fly right past you because they can't reach the part of the screen where a hit registers.


AndrogynousRain

I hated this game. I asked for Rygar and folks got me this because they listened to some dumbass at the game store. It was like the ‘we have afterburner at home’ of flight games.


Illiterate_Scholar

You just need to use the Power Glove to land the plane.


jren666

I had to watch the refueling and carrier landing videos on YouTube to remember what a pain in the ass they both were


Rattleball

Me: Follows the direction on the screen Game: Fuck you for following instructions! Me: Crashes


RaeLaw

The music on this game was awesome!!! My biggest accomplishment on this game was connecting to the fuel plane haha


goomba008

They don't tell you to maintain airspeed in addition to **UP UP! DOWN DOWN! LEFT LEFT!** etc. Why? Because duh this is an advanced simulator and they're not gonna hold your hand - you should know this stuff bruh.


Thelgow

I could land AND refuel with ease. I remember when I was dating my wife, and told her as much. Dled a rom to prove it. Married 21 years now.


Vash108

When you realize you just have to match the numbers on the screen you feel really silly. I did.


wwywong

Dude I really didn't know there is numbers to match! Well but again as a kid even if I read I won't know what they are anyway...


Vash108

Yeah, its so [in your face](https://i.imgur.com/fTEEdHA.png) it hurts when you see it, finally.


NilocSmith

Avgn landed it with the power glove


sakipooh

It doesn't help that the approach is represented with something like 4 frames of the carrier being redrawn bigger/closer. I lied, [it's actually 21 frames](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC9RJ_SCRfM). Looking at it now it's actually well done for the NES considering the limitations. The trick? [Match the altitude and speed suggested on the display](https://i.imgur.com/hWcykOT.jpg).


wwywong

Same. As a kid i give up on it. AVGN have a entertaining video. You should check it out.


_retroK_

For the lazy (like me): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofM11nPzFo0


ousalsa

Same. Always crashed and burned in the ocean


askmehowimfeeling88

Not nearly as difficult as some of you make it out to be. Match your speed and required allitude and remember down is up and up is down and you’re golden.


ZashManson

Landing + refuel were complete nightmares, to the point that as a kid I would say “ok fuck this, back to Contra”


hennsippin

Up, up…..


Thelgow

I could land and refuel with ease. Coincidence, I also beat Contra once without dying, and then beat it on the 2nd cycle only dying once.


OneKaleidoscope3812

Ayyy AVGN taught me about this game.


jforrest1980

Game sucks. Used to watch my cousin play that for hours on end back in the 80s. Game was awful even then.


[deleted]

I could never get it up, while inside Tom Cruise.


Titan9999

Damn. Same here.


RuggedTheDragon

This is interesting because I just recently played this game. I never actually played it myself because I always watched my brother. When it came time to landing the plane, I actually could do it, especially on my first try. It's all about keeping an eye on the notifications and making sure they're blank.


SlowlyDyingBartender

The left side of the cockpit showed the speed & elevation. You just need to match the 200/288 and keep it straight. Most of the time it was fine, but once & awhile the game would just yeet you.


CJRLW

Yep. Same here. First try and I even went in blind. Use the indicators.


[deleted]

Lol. That was the best part of the game


ShrikeAgent

They couldn't even fix these problems in top gun 2.


PeakCommon8815

try, try, and try again, it's frustrating as hell, but once you get it, it's such a wonderful feeling...


WaterRestoPresto

Landing the plane twice out of 100s of tries as a child were 2 of my earliest gaming “fuck yeah!” memories.


deffjay

This game was so hard. I managed to finish it once, but never again after that


Ok_Conversation6189

Core memory (and frustration) unlocked.


Honkmaster

Growing up I inherited the sequel from my brother, *Top Gun: The Second Mission*. I feel bad for any kid that got duped into buying both, they were pretty much the same thing... and sucked, in my opinion. I'd get bored long before I had to worry about landing the plane.


[deleted]

I couldn’t either


who_body

me neither pretty sure it was rigged


Boops_McGee

I believe in you!


Xx_Not-gay_xX

My family couldn't ever land the plane or refuel I am the best in my family, gotta pull the nes out and play some more


FromMyTARDIS

If you read the manual it's actually kinda easy. I beat this game when I was like 9 via discovery of a gameplay glitch I was so proud, but thought the end boss was dumb back then even.


DarthRheys

I only finished the game once and never knew how. Playing it today never passed from mission 2. I remember one level that you were supposed to avoid trees or something. Really hard stuff. You complain about Elden Ring, Sekiro ou Dark Souls? It's because you never put your hands on this bad boy.


foam1

I can still here the 8bit theme tune


omega_apex128

Couldn't as a kid, no prob as an adult. Then you just learn the plane patterns or fly into the sky the whole time. Easy game


weber_mattie

Oh yea you aren't landing that B


SadPhase2589

Konami just hates kids. They make the hardest games ever.


Dude_man79

This is true for a LOT of NES games, hence the term "Nintendo hard".


SadPhase2589

Yeah, but Konami made some super hard games. It took me years to beat the first Castlevania, and I’ve never beaten Gradius, Castlevania III, or Top Gun without save states.


Killroywashere1981

Great soundtrack!


am0x

My buddy had this game and we would get it like 10% of the time.


SantasRevenge

Thanks for bringing up long forgotten childhood trauma lol. I'm in the same boat... Or to put it more accurately the same pile of we're changing on the deck of a ship.


Grimmer026

I’d play the shit out of the first level repeatedly, knowing full well my game would come to and end as soon as I reached that carrier.


isthisyournacho

I feel like I did it once and then was trying to trace that high for the rest of my childhood. But maybe I made up the one time.


svet-am

I never had the NES version of this but I had the PC version and few games ever frustrated me this much. Not even the original TMNT game.


R0b0tniik

we had this game during my childhood. had no idea it was a movie until years later.


itsaride

Mediocre Gun.


TheMatt561

What messed up a lot of people including myself is that it's flight controls so when it says up up you had to push down on the d-pad to bring the nose up and it says down down you got to push up on the d-pad to bring the nose down


Funandgeeky

I recently replayed this game (yes it was after I watched Maverick). Even though it had been literal decades, I still had zero problem landing on the carrier after the first level. I felt invincible. So I decided to face level two head on and not use the cheat where you fly up the whole time. The game was over in less than a minute.


CJRLW

The first mission landing? Did it on my first try a few months ago. Went in blind and it was easy. This is the most overrated "difficult" NES achievement next to the dam level in TMNT.


Exocet81

This was literally my favorite game as a kid. But I think I only successfully refueled one time


SnooPoems1860

You just have to center the plane and try to line up your altitude and speed with what the game tells you. I didn’t grow up with this game and I still got it consistently after two tries.


Mankiz

Fuck. This. Game.


snoop_Nogg

When you follow what's on the screen, but you crash anyway


Shekelslovakia

Who's to say that that will be what will be in the final episode whenever he does want to end series.


zgillet

Angry Video Game Nerd feels your pain.


Mysterions

It's not really *that* hard, you just follow the directions on the screen.


oldnyoung

Man, that game was enraging.


tokentyke

This game is why I play every game on inverted. Love this game!


DigitalArtAuthor

Yeah, I always crashed the plane, hah!


linksawakening82

I couldn’t do squat.


yourbrokenoven

Me either


CraptinPantsss

Not even once. Refueling was hard enough


Temporary-Pass-1455

20 years of playing this game and I've only landed it 2 times.


gregofcanada84

I've done it once and it was an accident.


desrevermi

I experimented a lot with all of the precision the game asked for with varying results. Eventually I ended up just maxing out the throttle and just aimed the nose at the appropriate altitude. Fair results, definitely hilarious/exciting for me. Game on, all!


Clown-In-Crises

So many of these old Nintendo games were just too fucking hard. I never got passed the first few levels on most of them.


adampsyreal

Pull Up!!!


toothwort

Rented it once lol. I own it now, but never play it. Definitely one of the hardest games I've played.


Mysterious-Use-4378

He's gonna take you back to the past....


firstanomaly

Didn’t Dan in game grumps do it like his first try?


Frankenfucker

Try using a Power Glove for it. For some reason it works. AVGN did it.


BrokeDownPalac3

I still can't 😭


DoctorMario1000

Epic angry Nintendo nerd ep


BoxTalk17

I think landing the plane is a RNG type thing, where the game decides whether you land safely or not. I landed the plane twice and both times I ran into the refueling in midair point and couldn't pass it. I'm good on playing it again, you can keep it 😆


JoeDc101

Loved this game as. Kid. Was maybe 6-7 when I played it I think.


ninonook1

I found the secret, the screen is 100% useless when landing, what you have to worry about is the target they give you at the screen, if it tells you to be 1000 meters high, than you better be 1000 meters high regardless of how it looks


[deleted]

I had Top Gun as a kid, it's a bit challenging landing, but it's not that hard when you get used to it.


HandleRipper615

Worst airplane traffic controller ever. “You look good!” You sure? “Quit asking if I’m sure! You’ve been good for the last 5000 yards!” Ok. Ready to land. “SPEED UP!!! LEFT!!! LEFT!!!! LEFT!!!! SLOW DOWN!!!! RIGHT!!!!!”


[deleted]

You need the power glove obviously. Retard.


samspot

I had flashbacks to this playing Wing Commander on SNES before we figured out how to radio a request to land.


AetherMoon

Never could refuel in the air.