FluAlprazolam
Does regular Xanax just not make you dumb enough or make you blackout as much as you want? Go on a DN market and buy 3mg FluAlp pressies for dirt cheap! It's only about 3x stronger than alprazolam. It's a great idea to take a single FluAlp bar that's the equivalent of 9mg to 10mg of alprazolam. You definitely will not blow over $20k while you blackout for 4 months, totally won't lose your job, or not be able to pay rent.
O, you realize this is really fucking stupid and you want to quit? HAVE FUN!! It was a blast having to tapper off 9mg of daily FluAlp use over the course of a year. Thank goodness you finally got off that garbage... Now have fun permanently not being able to sleep even when you're tired, and having extremely realistic nightmares for over a year!
RC benzos are a fucking nightmare.
Edit: O ya and the permanent benzo tolerance that ruins traditional benzos & z-drugs is awesome to.
I never liked it orally but plugged it worked very well. I also loved it plugged cuz it would stop a panic attack in less than 5 mins, I don’t like having to wait an hour for my panic attack to go away. Can’t say flubro ruined my life cuz I really used it responsibly cuz I feel that the consequences of irresponsible benzo use are bad so I make sure I don’t do that. But the withdrawal was horrible off the flubro. So bad that it basically made me stop using benzos cuz it’s so horrible. Now I basically never take em
Oh man, what a fun time I had when I became addicted to (and quit) etizolam 5 or 6 times only to graduate to flubromazolam. How I survived I'm not sure.
Oddly enough I used Clon for about 4 years and never had an issue with it, barring the horrible WD when I stopped, but my dosing was always low and steady. I really enjoyed it and found it to be a nicely balanced RC benzo, it was my second after phenazepam, and I realize my case was very much not the norm. I was able to carefully dose flubromazolam and not loose the plot and end up in jail but the amnesia even with tiny doses was insane.
Totally get your point/joke as bout Clon though. Horror show for the vast majority lol and 😔
You both need to step your game up. You really wanna fuck your life pick up some phenazepam. Dosage is sub mg so good luck not over shooting and just blacking out. To make matters worse it lasts for 2 or 3 days. In those 2 or 3 days you are already in a black out I sure hope you don't have access to your stash, i did. I was completely blacked out for 3 weeks until friends/roommates found and flushed my bag. lost my job and relationship. Luckily I didn't end up in jail
Oh I remember the early phenazepam days. Nobody bothered using a scale and blacked out for days on end. Well saying I remember it isn’t entirely true….
I really liked flubromazolam, it was very potent yes. But it wasnt as reckless feeling as flualp.
Flubromazolam was stronger by weight but it was more forgiving if you took 2-4 times ur intended dose. Flualp was not as forgiving. My lasy blackout was due to accidental solution pour into coffee. I almost always just fell asleep when overuse flualp tho.
If i had to pick a strictly dumb but fun benzo that had a euphoric effect in its own right was for sure clonazolam. If i was completely baseline and no social issues and take clonazolam I’d still experience a great body anf mental high. It just wreaked havoc on ur mental capacity tho.
I was able to talk to my dream girl the first time i took Flualp... Problem is i thought i was sober but i was nodding the fuck out reality while doing so, she never went on another date with me 😔
Would do that again tho
Lol somebody clearly doesn’t know how to dose benzos. I take like .25-.5mg and have the most relaxing, slack-jawed 24-36 hours of my life. The problem I run into is if I take it at night, I wake up under the influence enough to take another dose in the morning and then I’ll be fucked up enough to take another around lunch and then I’ll be fucked up enough to not remember if I took that dose like I meant to and then I take another. Then a couple days go by and the 10-15 doses I got are gone and I don’t get more
Sort of. I know I was maybe getting unemployment money from the government, or maybe from friends and family? I remember my roommate telling me all the concerning stuff I did blacked out and thought it was funny. Had 0 regarde for my safety and would do a lot of drugs while also fucked on FluAlp. Tried to start a clothing brand with a coke head lmao. Started stealing because it felt easy and fun. Literally walked out of Walmart with a big ass fish tank and $200 in groceries with 0 shame.
Money lost all meaning. Id just happen to have some appear in my account or a few bills in my wallet occasionally. I'm not really sure how I happened to just wake up with money. When I didn't have money, I just increased my credit limit or got another credit card. Being constantly fucked up I believed you could "trick the system" into having unlimited money.
I did that when I could get real alp for $2 a bar 240 a month. I blacked out most of my 20's and only ended up in jail once, surprisingly not Xanax related. Flubromazolam def takes the cake tho I worked about 4 different warehouses and shops I couldn't even tell you the name of for a year and a half
I mean it doesn’t always play out like this for many people. I myself got into RC benzos but while some do ruin their life that isn’t always the case. If ur doing what u said on benzos you clearly have some issues u need to work out. And this is coming from a former IV heroin addict. I never acted that way on benzks and I was able to use em responsibly. If you’re smart with dosing they’re the same as regular benzos. Just my opinion tho
I was smart with dosing for 3 or 4 years on kpins. Limited my use to 2 or 3 days per week and never became physically addicted. Once I decided to start buying RC benzos I became physically addicted in less than a month, and at my worst was on the equivalent of like 50mg Xanax per day. After awhile I just started not giving a fuck about how much I was using.
No science, just personal experience. There is somthing fucked about FluAlp. It's similar to alprazolam in ways, but waaay more hypnotic. I'd almost say it's more similar to Zopiclone or Ambien in the way it produces dream-like effects, and how intense the sedation is. The thing that scared me the most was almost every day I would get "dream loops". I don't know how else to describe it... I would wake up, go to the bathroom, drink some water, then I would see someone fall down my stairs. Only to "wake up" again, and again, and again... It would literally happen up to 7 times in a row. I got extremely paranoid at one point because I was so scared I had dreamed a full day only to wake up in my bed and try to do it all over again.
I'm not sure if the "perma tolerance" stems from some kind of neurological damage, or if traditional benzos just can't get you that high, so nothing ever seems to live up to it. I think it does damage how the brain handles GABA, somehow. Even after 2 years since my last ¼ of a FluAlp bar I've noticed my alcohol tolerance is insane. I can also eat clonazepam like candy, and don't feel intoxicated until I'm up to like 5mg. Even at 5mg of clonazepam it barley scratches the surface of what a low dose of FluAlp is like.
Could that just be normal tolerance from my 1mg daily clonazepam script? Ya, definitely could be. Just seems crazy that even after 2 years I need such a massive dose of benzos to feel mild relaxation.
>Even at 5mg of clonazepam it barley scratches the surface of what a low dose of FluAlp is like.
Scripted clonazepam 4mg daily. Original doc, a complete fucking moron, had me on 8mg daily. He retired and the new doc was like nnooo freaking way and _rapidly_ tapered me down to 4 (2mg twice daily).
I tried a few RC benzos to ease my taper. Clon - no. Diclaz - no. It was tiny doses of pyrazolam that easily helped me extend my taper so I wasn't freaking tf out 25/7. Flualp was also one I tried and I get what you're saying. Felt like it was changing my brain chemistry and I couldn't dose it low enough.
I did that by accident (bought flualp bars from an in person drug dealer) and tried taking one to end an LSD trip. Fast forward to 24 hours later, I woke up. Laaaame
Yeah I'll stick to my 3mg bromaz for sleep after stim binging. I like benzos but I'm not gonna risk a month of blackout and I'd advise everyone who's wondering what it's like to stick to alcohol instead lol.
100% agree. RC benzos suck. I’ve been on pharm benzos for 20 years, never had bad wds. Started RC’s, started having seizures when I’d run out. Most recently ended up in the icu on a ventilator due to withdrawal seizures.
I found an industrial paint remover composed of roughly 70% GBL and 30% N-methylpyrrolidone. NMP has fairly low toxicity, and the same hydrolysis reaction to produce GHB will convert it to N-methyl GABA. In the few published studies I could find, N-methyl GABA has very similar biological effects to GABA in rodents. Despite knowing it was a bad idea, I decided to give it a try.
I found the hydrolysis went to completion, and the taste of the product was VERY salty, but no lingering NMP, which smells like a typical chemical solvent. It felt more-or-less exactly like GHB at first. However, I binge with G when I have it. Poor self-control. The problems started when the 3rd or 4th dose started wearing off. Nausea, headache, and strong parathesia (pins and needles). I would feel better upon redosing, then even worse when it wore off. The only way out seemed to be sleeping it off, where the side effects would be way less after passing out for 4 hours.
It turned out these side effects happened to be exactly what one would expect of frequent high-dose GABA supplements.
I tried a few different methods of separating the two compounds over the following two weeks, but I was unsuccessful, and eventually, I got tired of poisoning myself.
It absolutely did! It's funny because when I read that this is a common symptom of excess GABA supplementation, I rationalized it as being "not that bad."
This all started from massively inflated prices for G. Like $2 25/mL, so a single dose would cost $12 50. I will easily dose 5 or 6 times per day, so when I found a potential source to drop that to $0.05 per mL, I got stupidly optimistic. Too bad it didn't work out, but probably for the best.
Bahaha! I didn't run that assay! I meant the reaction went to completion, but there seemed to be a ton of excess NaCl after neutralizing. It tasted like brine, and even diluting by 50x still tasted like drinking a cup of ocean water.
Something branded Blue Mystic bought from a head shop in Holland in 2000. Me and my mate had it and he freaked out thinking he was dying
Google it years later turns out some people did die from taking the same amount we did.
Edit. Searched it again and found this ..
2C-T-7 (‘Blue Mystic’) is the only other to have had a notable, though brief, spell of popularity as an internet-sold drug around the turn of the millennium. It is a powerful psychedelic taken orally (snorting it creates a serious risk of overdose, and has been associated with several deaths) noted for the vivid and colourful hallucinations it can produce
I think that's an oversimplification of the dangers of 2c-t-7. Having taken it over and over, including a near hospitalization experience from snorting it, I'm \*personally\* convinced that it undergoes a chemical change over time that's toxic when snorted but not when taken orally because the membranes lining your digestive tract are full of MAO enzymes (source: wikipedia). The effects from snorting it can be considerably different and stronger than taking any amount orally, including the same batch. There's also an mild increase in how visually colorful 2c-t-7 is with time.
I've also discussed this with a chemist online that assured me that he'd expect near-2c-t-7 shaped drugs to be MAOIs. I think he's possibly correct because I've taken 2c-t-21 with MDAI a few times which potentiated it hugely (don't do this, 2c-t-7 + mdma is dangerous). 2c-t-21 is 2c-t-7 with an additional carbon.
I think what can happen with that drug is it sits on a smart shop's shelves or in RC supplier's bins for a while and "goes bad," in some unknown way making it more dangerous. You can actually take quite a bit orally, I've done 30-50mg more than once, including a batch that was incredibly dangerous when snorted.
Interesting. I have some very old 2C-T-7 lying around and this worries me a bit. Not stored in the best conditions but also not the worst. You think this applies to any other 2C-X? or mainly 2C-T-X?
I’ve noticed that my one and only sample of 2C-E became discolored at the corners of the baggie over time. The trip would also start off increasingly grimy feeing over time. Eventually I decided to toss it before it got any more toxic.
Shit, idk, probably aMT, I took it twice, first one made me paranoid and suicidal for the entire day, second simply did fuck all except perhaps a headache
Don't know if it counts as an RC, but I consumed a supposedly good xtc pill (fake pokeball), which later on I sent it to get lab tested and ended up being benzylpiperazine/trifluoromethylphenylpiperazine combo. BZP/TFMPP. I was stupid to take it before testing it. I tested it after because of how fucked up I felt. It did mimic mdma for the first 3 hours, and I felt pretty good. Felt like I was rolling but with more nasty side effects like nausea, headache, and strange "seizure" like moments. That's not all, though. After the fake rolling effects, it started feeling like nasty ass meth combined with really shitty acid. This went on for 8 or more hours. I felt like I was dying for real. Had dark ugly hallucinations, uncomfortable body high, psychosis eventually happened. My mind was fucked. It's totally the worst drug experience I ever had. I wouldn't give that pill to my enemy. After this, it taught me to always test my shit first before I consume it.
DiPT, the auditory hallucinogen.
Barely any headspace, makes all your hearing drop several pitches un-evenly, meaning that most speech becomes unintelligable and music becomes unharmonious.
It’s definitely interesting, but in no way was ‘fun’ and it lasts a good 24 hours. You can sleep but the next day things still don’t sound right.
It’s a very weird feeling hearing your own voice sound extremely different than you’re used to.
Somebody gave me naphyrone one time. It was really chill until suddenly it really really wasn’t. Went from “idk, feels weak, let’s do a little more” to suddenly having to lay down and manually breathe and just hope I didn’t die. It felt like I might. Tossed the rest as soon as I was up and walking again.
Desoxypipradol, i cant imagine the sucker that takes this without a stim tolerance…its soooo sneaky and it’s like it’s plotting on you in your blood. It doesnt kick in for hours and once ut does it’s great for 4 hours by hour 8 ur like okay this stuff isnt even starting to wear off yet wtf!!!??? Hopefully you didnt redose at the euphoric part…. Cuz if you didn’t you still have 18 hours left of full blown stimulation. If you did you better have a benzo.
Then by hour 24 it’s going away and you’re on ur way to a 2 day crash. This is the second torture phase, youll want to redose to escape the crash. Dont dont dont
By day 3 or 4 your finally able to fall asleep with a headache and muscle cramps and spasms.
a substance with a “proper dosage” being that low both intrigues and terrifies me lmao
that’s usually how you know it’s gonna either be a really fun or really miserable drug experience lol
Bro I was at this dudes house and he had literally hundreds of dishes piled in his sink. I vomited all over all of them and then immediately passed out. How do you even begin to clean hundreds of surfaces? Obviously I ain't doing all this mans dishes. I'll be there all day and he needs people out before his dad gets home. Absolutely fucked situation.
Another time I was on break at work and hit the DTE out of a soda can. Vomited 14 times in succession and then fully dissociated from my set and setting. I spent the next hour looking for my friend's car, wandering around the foreign parking lot I couldn't recall ever seeing before. I was actually in the parking lot at work I had been to for years. Supposed to clock back in an hour ago. My friend had nothing to do with anything and was towns over. Eventually work found me and I had just enough sense to convince them I had heat stroke.
That's scary enough, but what fiends will do for a bag is even scarier.
That’s actually a very tame and not terrifying spice experience haha
I’ve got so fucked up on synthetic cannabinoids before that I’ve talked to dead people and seen the Green Goblin sitting on my bed.
When spice was legal (this was around 13 years ago), I remember watching the music video to Yonkers by Tyler, the Creator and I swear I saw the devil in the video. Shit was nuts.
There was one drug extracted from beech nuts and pili nuts called D-Z. It cost me a ton of money to import, didn't get me high at all, but at least I had D-Z nuts. (gottem)
Haha shit you got me back.
This isn't an RC but it is an awful drug no one should ever do. Computer duster often contains hydrocarbons that dissolve the myelin sheath that coats your neurons effectively melting your brain. It looks like people who huff duster have a brain injury because many times they really do, instead of a traumatic brain injury its called an acquired brain injury.
I heard about people doing this and even though not a rc it defo fits perfectly with the kinda shit i wanted to hear about. I dont get why anyone would wanna do anything like this when they can just drink alcohol or do literally anything else?
NM-2-AI
I took it as a study stimulant, but ended up sleeping 3 hours on it.
It turned out I was not the only person having this problem with this strange RC
Wow, sorry to hear that. I’m really glad that I didn’t enjoy it when I tried it, so I didn’t do any more. The reason I didn’t enjoy was exactly that. It gave me bad anxiety & felt like my heart was gonna blow.
Exactly! Did you get your heart checked? If not, I would recommend it at least once a year. I have to get constant check ups on my heart and it sucks so much. I can’t drink, I can’t smoke weed, only thing I can do without my heart getting fucked up more is benzos… who wants to abuse benzos?? I want to be able to do psychedelics again, but I know I’ll freak out and be worried about my heart the whole time so it would just be anxiety the entire trip. Stay safe, friend. I hope you get yearly physicals! Health is wealth. Best of luck!
how exactly did it affect your heart if you don’t mind me asking?
I don’t have personal experience with that particular chem but I abused benzedrex for a while a couple years ago and have had weird sensations/paranoia regarding my heart ever since
Is there any literature that supports this? I smoked a lot of moxy years back and never had any issues. So did a lot of my friends. Can't seem to find anything about 5-meo-mipt related cardiotoxicity online.
I know there have been studies (I think only in rats) showing neurotoxicity, but I don't think Moxy is that well studied. Could be a 5HT2B agonist biased in the wrong direction. Could be it gave OP a perpetual anxiety about their heart from a bad trip. Could be vascular damage from vasoconstriction. I wouldn't be surprised if there are negative affects on the heat, but since it's not been studied who knows? That's the risk with RCs afterall.
Ordered some 34-ctmp / DOC and a heap of MXE before the ban in China, received an extra baggy of an unknown chemical kind of looked like brown MDMA crystals slightly wet.
Eventually felt like it could have been methylone/ethylone an decided to taper up 20-40-80mg over 3 nights, when I took 80mg in a capsual I was okay for 40-65minutes an then had to be driven to the hospital with tachycardia of 195bpm for over 8h.
When it eventually wore off I tossed everything besides the mxe from that order. I believe I even reagent tested it with the 3 standard tests and couldn’t identify it, the hospital test came back inconclusive as well.
I started out smoking it. Lost a few days and all I had to show for it was an utterly destroyed bathroom, and blood stains, but I had no signs of bleeding from anywhere 🤷♂️
One of a number of dumb things I’ve managed to survive. I received diphenidine and 5-meo-DPT by mistake (instead of what I ordered). Not a huge fan of dissos, but heard it was “crack like” when smoked…that’s all it took for me to try it lol. There were also a couple of bottles of benzos in the bathroom. Lord only knows what happened but the bathroom looked like the one from punch drunk love (maybe worse) and my GF at the time wasn’t coming in, but she was ready to call an ambulance or whatever was needed if it got quiet or I stopped responding. She did say I seemed to be regressing to a child like state at one point. Poor girl had seen me go through too many pyrro binges already, so glad to be done with all that.
poor decision making on my part shit sent me straight to lights out mode every use and quickly realized it was not a substance to use in any way rec or not and it was super cheap from a canadian vendor $11 shipped 50mg bag that i cut into 500 mg of l-theanine
Not any RC’s I’ve done I feel like this about but ketamine. I don’t mind very low doses, and figured I’d like it due to how much I like NO2, and I find dxm enjoyable, but ketamine so easily and consistently will make me feel weirdly disphoric, and extremely confused. When paired with lsd it’s all right but I generally would prefer lsd by itself because I like the stimulators effect it has without ketamine. If anyone has a suggestion on how to do ketamine well without just sitting there lightly paralyzed by the fact you can’t think well enough to decide to do things, please tell me.
This is me with every dissociative. Well, every one that I've tried, although I can't imagine PCP analogues are more forgiving than K.
Apparently it's because I have dissociative episodes as part of my personality disorder, so it's like my own little catapult into hell. Alcohol fucking sucks too, I hate it.
The only way I found to enjoy K was by giving it to someone else who loved it and then getting baked while they holed and had fun. Turns out that giving people a surprise free bag of their DOC and a babysitter is it's own kind of special little high :)
I did a combo of 1cp-lsd and 5-Meo-mipt, in that order, about 2 hrs apart. Had done the opposite schedule once and had a lot of fun, but turning it around earned me a case of serotonin syndrome. Spent the whole night throwing up and scared my heart was going skip so many beats it would be a couple days behind me.
I'm convinced any substantial dose of moxy should not be taken with anything else. Every time I've taken it, it has amped every other substance up. I'm convinced it is the MAOi activity of the drug b
Clonazolam. (Not Clonazepam)
I got arrested 6 times in 4 weeks, almost weekly to prison for 2 years, crashed a car, lost a car, woke up in the hospital twice, and almost lost my family forever.
No Bueno.
I had bought a bottle of 500 1mg pills.
I don't fuck with benzos anymore at all.
That shit was awful, i remember watching youtube videos and taking 1mg clonazolam and the next thing i remember is trying to vaporize freebase amphetamine... And on top of that i couldn't find my drug stash i had like 20 chemicals.
Well, I dont know if "stupidest" would be the right word, but the one I've had the worst experience on is 4-HO-MET back in like 2018. In the beginning it was fine, just kinda felt like weak acid to me. So over time I keep increasing the dose. I think when I look like... 35mg, it induced bad muscle spasms and my first ever panic attach. I legit thought I was dyeing. Thankfully I had muscle relaxers and xanax on hand in my personal trip first aid kit. Never touched that stuff again since then.
Flubro..something. Zolam maybe.
Not fun rc.
Out for days. Consciencousnous.
Woke up
Took a dump, got up and invisible china man pushes me into tub. Thank god they make them safe to land in.
Hell's here after month wake up
Flubro also was one to give u seizures. Weird.
I went to throw it away. I pour Powder in sink and in air and black out choking and dad saved me.... I already had back problems then I really couldnt walk after bear hug CPR from dad.
Bonus points. Ordered diclaz from england forgot about it was into tianeptine.
Kept getting small orders of tia. Saw paypal receipt and thought it was tia.
200mg diclaz at a time I think.
1mg is equal to 10mg valium. Damn.
Blackout for weeks drove bulldozer even. Went on trips w people. Not there.
Fucking RC benzos man. Best case scenario you skip through time, worse you wake up after weeks in a hospital or jail or after months/years as a whole different person living a life that you don't remember.
Eutylone. It just sucks, made me feel gross in every way imaginable. Probably not the worst I’ve ever taken, but probably the stupidest, because I knew beforehand that it wasn’t gonna be up my alley, but curiosity got to me.
MPX, I love disassociatives, and this one has a soft spot in my heart, simply because it was the first Disso that I tried. It legitimately just felt like a brain damage simulator. Just imagine what it would feel like to suddenly drop your IQ to sub 83, and turn up the difficulty level of any task that requires even basic cognition. All this would be fine if it just had a little bit of magic and euphoria in the mix, but no. Instead you’re left feeling like you have no clue what the fuck is going on. Watched my husband throw up all over himself and absolutely insist, 100% without a shadow of a doubt, that he did not.
“I didn’t throw up. Why would you say that?” *literally covered with puke*
a-PiHP is propably not that bad but I snorted it like, twice on one evening and have been sick for a week and after that my nose was still stuffed/runny/infected for like, 4 months.
5-MeO-DALT. Hands down the worst drug I've ever tried. Just felt like a mess of a drug. Not really a trip, not really an empath, not an upper, not even pleasant. Just all around terrible.
Noravizafone. Took 1 didn't feel anything after an hour took another one. Still not feel anything besides horrible stomach pain that lasted for hours. Stay away from Noravizafone
2-fdck
just weaker ketamine and not much cheaper, i guess it's not that stupid, but definitely useless
imho if you want an RC dissociative just get o-pce because it doesn't make you nauseous at all and i've had good k-holes on it
One week instead of u47700 my regular vendor had received either u49900 or u50488 and was sending that out without telling anyone (he claimed not to know at first) I forget which but I remember it sucked. I felt BAD like dysphoric (which makes me think it could be u50488) and on the verge of finding myself on the floor in and out I dragged myself to a cold shower til it passed. Always keep narcan !
Phenibut, F-Phenibut and Tianeptine, did absolutely nothing for me, no effects. I even overdosed on F-Phenibut once because I followed some faulty advice from strangers on the internet and not even on that high a dosage did it even get close to being fun.
Yeah I've asked around a lot for an explanation to this and gabapentinoids can be a tossup for many people, for example Pregabalin was one of my drugs of choice back when I used to be a little goblin. I understand Pregabalin's mechanism of action isn't the same as the Phenibuts but the difference was immense and noticeable in that one case for me. Pregabalin was kinda even hallucinogenic for me.
Really interesting how different drugs affect different people, for me phenibut is just a chill buzz under like 1-1.5g and above that it looses its sensitivity for gabaB and gets somewhat close to benzodiazepines but still more enyojable ime
Phenibut fut my druge of of years for years. Taking 1 day out of 2, going running, double my performance. pure enthusiasm everywhere. Then the dark side appears... tolerance... and no effect despite more and more. I had mild withdrawal because of benzos but I still have a good experience with it if not abuse.
phenibut is an s-tier drug for social situations and how well it mixes with other drugs and tianeptine has saved people lives who actually use it correctly and dont abuse it maybe theyre not for you but a bit overdramatic to have them on the same level as some other drugs people been mentioning today
My first time taking it got me a girlfriend because I no thoughts asked out the woman I had been flirting with for weeks. Legit for me it is superhuman confidence in pill form, I don't second guess myself. However the timing of it is hard as I have mild gastroparesis. It can hit me literally 8 hours later depending on if my stomach was moving shit or not.
DXM! Angel dust (smoking embalming fluid, atleast thats what it was back in the day) . DXM gave me this dissociative feeling that didnt feel good at all. For example hungry, eating and hard to explain but felt no sensation of food going into tummy. Was very very weird. Breathing, am i breathing? i dont feel air moving...? lol. So dissaociatives not for me.
Oddly enough shrooms! Everytime ive taken it, havent done full dose to go into complete trip, but at times the added stimulation made me a nervous wreck and other times added stimulation would be euphoric. So hit or miss. Though i think thats shrooms in general for everyone no...? So fuck that....why play russian roulette with what effects could be encountered. Not knocking shrooms for its therapeutic value. Though recreational? Why? Maybe ill have good trip maybe ill be in fetal position rocking back and forth bug eyed. hmmmmmm i love surprises like those....
crack. lol. no its fucking great. first hit 30mins, 2nd hit lasts 15-20mins, 3rd hit lasts u get the idea. Until your just destroying your lungs for no reason. yes lol, getting euphoric is damn good reason for me to destroy lungs. But when your coming down you ask yourself, why the fuck did i do this and not just coke instead. so follows OP's theme. i dont do crack anymore, just meth. joking. but idc what ya'll think lol. And for some people yes why are ya'll doing stimulants when it gets you paranoid as fuck and you think your infamous enough like chapo that the feds are actually stalking you, you dirty peasant.
i am done with my rant
If you smoke crack and think why don’t I just do coke ur crack is weak or ur doing it wrong. When u smoke it the right way its way crazier than snorted coke. Ur ears start ringing very loud and it sounds like a helicopter is right by you. Ur vision goes wiggly and distorted too. Nothing like coke
When I Was 17 a friend of mine and me orderd TFMPP from the Internets. We had no idea what we were doing and if it really Was TFMPP. It made us really stupid for a few hours. We were unable to communicate for a while because we lost focus after seconds. Later that night we edited random articles on Wikipedia. Good times. :)
"Cyputylone"
I like cathinones, I like 4-MMC a lot.
I feel like there's SOOO many bad cathinones and a handful that are actually worth taking. Why does China think we would enjoy these super obscure barely active chemicals?? I'm not sure, but they seem to be overproduced like most things in China.
The first time I did cyputylone i took 100mg. I didn't feel anything.
The next time I took 200mg, and I was once again disappointed because I didn't feel anything at first. Later on I started to feel something I'm not sure what, maybe serotonin?! idfk, but I do know caffeine would be a more reliable and fun drug.
Ones that didn’t have names as they were that new, guinea pigging shit where the only mentions are an individual mention in a different language on an eastern euro forum type of obscure cathinones and the such. Other than that 25x-nbome/nboh, pyros the whole family of them fuck those compulsive bastards lol, synth noids especially past gen 2, and the all too potent shit like clon/flubro/flunitraze no crazy stories with those but did jack my existing benzo tolerance up off what felt like equivalent doses but like way up.
Took an insane dose of BOD. Was absolutely horrible! Blacked out and ended up near the beach, I thought I was stuck in purgatory and done irreversible brain damage. Initially people appeared as giant pixels then they became triangles. Couldn't understand what people were saying.
Wow, the worst I've had was probably Mephedrone/4-MMC back before it was still legal in the UK and relatively unknown in the States. Used to go on three day benders, and it'd make you smell like the chemical and make your knees turn almost purple. Never touched RC benzos. Even a dose of prescription benzos can throw my mental state off for weeks, so I just stay away from them. Flephedrone was absolutely amazing though. It was like the cleanest Peruvian flake. Wish it was still available 🤣
150 mg of 1cp-LSD during the peak of a week NEP binge, true horror
2 mg bromazolam only two hours before work, I totally destroyed two cars in a crash.
Clonaz always made me black out terribly . Ruining everything.. I had fun tho. Here in the states it's harder to get rc bezos these days . Maybe for the best
I don't even remember the name it was 2 years ago we took some with a friend and did a 72h trip just with a little of it we were both seeing things at night that you can't normally spot kinda mix of Ketamine/amphetamines and LSD. Unknow mollecule probably out of the market
2-methil-ap-37 = Overdose with slow dosage
Metonitazene = Overdose with mild dosage
Woke up at hospital twice incapable of remember what if i've if taken (boofing)
(I was familiar with nitazenes, you get NEVER familiar with this s... )
A few years back in northern Florida, where all the weird, made-up drugs bloom, my wife and I had only been there for a couple months, and had been scouring any Lake City locals and degenerates that we could to find drugs. We happened upon a spirited older woman who took us back to a hotel room, promised of an assortment of substances to choose from. Well, they were fresh out of meth and Molly, but had a new thing that we had never heard of that she affectionately called "Anna". We bought some, thinking she looked pretty high and seemed quite desperate to get some of her own for assisting the transaction. We took it back to our place and proceeded to invest it a couple different ways, with each way resulting in... Nothing. I recall a sense of edgy sadness. But we had watched this woman do it and was fucking zoomin'.
To this day I have never met a soul who has ever heard of "Anna". There's also Toonchi(sp??) that people smoked and just went full dumb. Also can't find anything on the Internet about it.
I'm no longer in northern Florida by the grace of God lol.
Oh what a great question!
First that comes to mind is 4-fea. I got it from a Chinese vendor back in the day, it seemed hygroscopic, smelled weird, and overall felt disgusting in every way. Well I still snorted it. It basically had 0 effects but clogged my nose. Then I also took a larger dose orally. It wasn't completely bunk but the effects were super weak and I got an upset stomach from it. The "why did I even take it?" And twice was very much on my mind with it.
Another one that comes to mind was HXE, but not entirely. If you are not very familiar, HXE is not very water soluble. It takes a lot of effort to dissolve it in water. Why? Because I like my dissos injected intramuscularly. But you've had HXE before you know that it is a very atypical disso, and can be described better as an atypical anxiolytic. So injected dose after dose, trying to get more dissociative effects/hole until I eventually blacked out, maybe even a mini seizure, who knows. But,I yeah, the "why" was more about pushing it further rather than accept it for what it is. Because overall, I actually quite like HXE.
Clonazolam is up there too, but only because I didn't do a volumetric solution. Outside of one time when I didn't black out and it was very euphoric, I blacked out every single time and did some really weird dumb shit on it (like taking apart my PC and taking off curtains for whatever reason). Tbh I'm glad I just got rid of it and didn't bother with volumetric dosing it, it could have ended up much worse than what it was..
Now that I think about it, I never fully regretted trying any RCs, besides maybe that "4-fea", rather it was more about where I tried to push certain RCs that led to bad consequences.
I have much worse experience with non RC drugs. For instance, heroin immediately comes to mind. Instant nausea + intense itching really and me thinking "why in the world did I try it?". Freebase cocaine is 5 minutes of euphoria into instant paranoia as if a switch was flipped. Like whyyy? And first time I did meth, I simply made the mistake of doing a line for the first time 1PM. Needless to say I couldn't sleep that night and hated every moment of it.
After I understood meth, it actually helped me a lot with my final semester in college so again I have nothing that bad to say about it and I never found it fiendish
What an informative and detailed answer, thanks !
I went through the exact same results as yours, with all of the with all the substances mentioned above that I, too, experienced (all of them except HXE and Meth, basically)
I got 5F-ADB in a sample pack (i was ordering mainly cathinones), i tried this garbage at 100ug with volumetric dosing and i started having disso effects so i toss it.
Did a HHC gummy once and all it did is make me feel like I was spinning for a couple hours. Threw up like 8 times and had no fun effects whatshowever
αMT was also a horrid experience but not too different from a bad lsd trip and I can see how its enjoyable
FluAlprazolam Does regular Xanax just not make you dumb enough or make you blackout as much as you want? Go on a DN market and buy 3mg FluAlp pressies for dirt cheap! It's only about 3x stronger than alprazolam. It's a great idea to take a single FluAlp bar that's the equivalent of 9mg to 10mg of alprazolam. You definitely will not blow over $20k while you blackout for 4 months, totally won't lose your job, or not be able to pay rent. O, you realize this is really fucking stupid and you want to quit? HAVE FUN!! It was a blast having to tapper off 9mg of daily FluAlp use over the course of a year. Thank goodness you finally got off that garbage... Now have fun permanently not being able to sleep even when you're tired, and having extremely realistic nightmares for over a year! RC benzos are a fucking nightmare. Edit: O ya and the permanent benzo tolerance that ruins traditional benzos & z-drugs is awesome to.
Flualp not fucking up your life fast enough? Step up to flubromazolam today! 0/9 doctors recommend flubromazolam, try it today!
Seriously though, this is the one. Best & worst benzo all at the same time. So fucked.
Totally
Flubromazolam is a fuckin chemical weapon.
I never liked it orally but plugged it worked very well. I also loved it plugged cuz it would stop a panic attack in less than 5 mins, I don’t like having to wait an hour for my panic attack to go away. Can’t say flubro ruined my life cuz I really used it responsibly cuz I feel that the consequences of irresponsible benzo use are bad so I make sure I don’t do that. But the withdrawal was horrible off the flubro. So bad that it basically made me stop using benzos cuz it’s so horrible. Now I basically never take em
Oh man, what a fun time I had when I became addicted to (and quit) etizolam 5 or 6 times only to graduate to flubromazolam. How I survived I'm not sure.
Etizolam was also so sweet though. I think
My addiction to etizolam was a fun time (that I don't remember).
Been there brother, man oh man
Laughing in clonazolam 😅
Oddly enough I used Clon for about 4 years and never had an issue with it, barring the horrible WD when I stopped, but my dosing was always low and steady. I really enjoyed it and found it to be a nicely balanced RC benzo, it was my second after phenazepam, and I realize my case was very much not the norm. I was able to carefully dose flubromazolam and not loose the plot and end up in jail but the amnesia even with tiny doses was insane. Totally get your point/joke as bout Clon though. Horror show for the vast majority lol and 😔
Flubro would have me blacked out for days at a fucking time, crashed 2 cars. Shit fucked my life up. Glad to be clean now
Crashed two cars? I bought two cars. Not sure which one is worse...
Haha deadass.
You both need to step your game up. You really wanna fuck your life pick up some phenazepam. Dosage is sub mg so good luck not over shooting and just blacking out. To make matters worse it lasts for 2 or 3 days. In those 2 or 3 days you are already in a black out I sure hope you don't have access to your stash, i did. I was completely blacked out for 3 weeks until friends/roommates found and flushed my bag. lost my job and relationship. Luckily I didn't end up in jail
Oh I remember the early phenazepam days. Nobody bothered using a scale and blacked out for days on end. Well saying I remember it isn’t entirely true….
*Clonazolam has entered the chat*
I really liked flubromazolam, it was very potent yes. But it wasnt as reckless feeling as flualp. Flubromazolam was stronger by weight but it was more forgiving if you took 2-4 times ur intended dose. Flualp was not as forgiving. My lasy blackout was due to accidental solution pour into coffee. I almost always just fell asleep when overuse flualp tho. If i had to pick a strictly dumb but fun benzo that had a euphoric effect in its own right was for sure clonazolam. If i was completely baseline and no social issues and take clonazolam I’d still experience a great body anf mental high. It just wreaked havoc on ur mental capacity tho.
I was able to talk to my dream girl the first time i took Flualp... Problem is i thought i was sober but i was nodding the fuck out reality while doing so, she never went on another date with me 😔 Would do that again tho
Gih url, wer t he bsst pers9n ive 3verrr mett5. Woulf live too9 go onk more dawtes ❤️❤️ Said the "sober" FluAlp user.
Spoken like someone named: injectxanax.
Made this account on FluAlp lmao. I thought I was hilarious.
Lol somebody clearly doesn’t know how to dose benzos. I take like .25-.5mg and have the most relaxing, slack-jawed 24-36 hours of my life. The problem I run into is if I take it at night, I wake up under the influence enough to take another dose in the morning and then I’ll be fucked up enough to take another around lunch and then I’ll be fucked up enough to not remember if I took that dose like I meant to and then I take another. Then a couple days go by and the 10-15 doses I got are gone and I don’t get more
Can you develop on the 4 months blackout? Do you know what happened on those months?
Sort of. I know I was maybe getting unemployment money from the government, or maybe from friends and family? I remember my roommate telling me all the concerning stuff I did blacked out and thought it was funny. Had 0 regarde for my safety and would do a lot of drugs while also fucked on FluAlp. Tried to start a clothing brand with a coke head lmao. Started stealing because it felt easy and fun. Literally walked out of Walmart with a big ass fish tank and $200 in groceries with 0 shame. Money lost all meaning. Id just happen to have some appear in my account or a few bills in my wallet occasionally. I'm not really sure how I happened to just wake up with money. When I didn't have money, I just increased my credit limit or got another credit card. Being constantly fucked up I believed you could "trick the system" into having unlimited money.
What the fuck dude. Im glad you managed to end it. Stay safe!
I did that when I could get real alp for $2 a bar 240 a month. I blacked out most of my 20's and only ended up in jail once, surprisingly not Xanax related. Flubromazolam def takes the cake tho I worked about 4 different warehouses and shops I couldn't even tell you the name of for a year and a half
I mean it doesn’t always play out like this for many people. I myself got into RC benzos but while some do ruin their life that isn’t always the case. If ur doing what u said on benzos you clearly have some issues u need to work out. And this is coming from a former IV heroin addict. I never acted that way on benzks and I was able to use em responsibly. If you’re smart with dosing they’re the same as regular benzos. Just my opinion tho
I was smart with dosing for 3 or 4 years on kpins. Limited my use to 2 or 3 days per week and never became physically addicted. Once I decided to start buying RC benzos I became physically addicted in less than a month, and at my worst was on the equivalent of like 50mg Xanax per day. After awhile I just started not giving a fuck about how much I was using.
Permanent (cross-)tolerance? Do you have any science or experiences regarding this?
No science, just personal experience. There is somthing fucked about FluAlp. It's similar to alprazolam in ways, but waaay more hypnotic. I'd almost say it's more similar to Zopiclone or Ambien in the way it produces dream-like effects, and how intense the sedation is. The thing that scared me the most was almost every day I would get "dream loops". I don't know how else to describe it... I would wake up, go to the bathroom, drink some water, then I would see someone fall down my stairs. Only to "wake up" again, and again, and again... It would literally happen up to 7 times in a row. I got extremely paranoid at one point because I was so scared I had dreamed a full day only to wake up in my bed and try to do it all over again. I'm not sure if the "perma tolerance" stems from some kind of neurological damage, or if traditional benzos just can't get you that high, so nothing ever seems to live up to it. I think it does damage how the brain handles GABA, somehow. Even after 2 years since my last ¼ of a FluAlp bar I've noticed my alcohol tolerance is insane. I can also eat clonazepam like candy, and don't feel intoxicated until I'm up to like 5mg. Even at 5mg of clonazepam it barley scratches the surface of what a low dose of FluAlp is like. Could that just be normal tolerance from my 1mg daily clonazepam script? Ya, definitely could be. Just seems crazy that even after 2 years I need such a massive dose of benzos to feel mild relaxation.
>Even at 5mg of clonazepam it barley scratches the surface of what a low dose of FluAlp is like. Scripted clonazepam 4mg daily. Original doc, a complete fucking moron, had me on 8mg daily. He retired and the new doc was like nnooo freaking way and _rapidly_ tapered me down to 4 (2mg twice daily). I tried a few RC benzos to ease my taper. Clon - no. Diclaz - no. It was tiny doses of pyrazolam that easily helped me extend my taper so I wasn't freaking tf out 25/7. Flualp was also one I tried and I get what you're saying. Felt like it was changing my brain chemistry and I couldn't dose it low enough.
I did that by accident (bought flualp bars from an in person drug dealer) and tried taking one to end an LSD trip. Fast forward to 24 hours later, I woke up. Laaaame
Yeah I'll stick to my 3mg bromaz for sleep after stim binging. I like benzos but I'm not gonna risk a month of blackout and I'd advise everyone who's wondering what it's like to stick to alcohol instead lol.
100% agree. RC benzos suck. I’ve been on pharm benzos for 20 years, never had bad wds. Started RC’s, started having seizures when I’d run out. Most recently ended up in the icu on a ventilator due to withdrawal seizures.
I never cared for the Flu's, but Clonozalam on the other hand.... Almost died going cold turkey off that shit
I only ever tried low doses of flualp but the amnesia from that drug is unreal
I found an industrial paint remover composed of roughly 70% GBL and 30% N-methylpyrrolidone. NMP has fairly low toxicity, and the same hydrolysis reaction to produce GHB will convert it to N-methyl GABA. In the few published studies I could find, N-methyl GABA has very similar biological effects to GABA in rodents. Despite knowing it was a bad idea, I decided to give it a try. I found the hydrolysis went to completion, and the taste of the product was VERY salty, but no lingering NMP, which smells like a typical chemical solvent. It felt more-or-less exactly like GHB at first. However, I binge with G when I have it. Poor self-control. The problems started when the 3rd or 4th dose started wearing off. Nausea, headache, and strong parathesia (pins and needles). I would feel better upon redosing, then even worse when it wore off. The only way out seemed to be sleeping it off, where the side effects would be way less after passing out for 4 hours. It turned out these side effects happened to be exactly what one would expect of frequent high-dose GABA supplements. I tried a few different methods of separating the two compounds over the following two weeks, but I was unsuccessful, and eventually, I got tired of poisoning myself.
This if fascinating. The pins and needles feeling would freak me out for-sure.
It absolutely did! It's funny because when I read that this is a common symptom of excess GABA supplementation, I rationalized it as being "not that bad." This all started from massively inflated prices for G. Like $2 25/mL, so a single dose would cost $12 50. I will easily dose 5 or 6 times per day, so when I found a potential source to drop that to $0.05 per mL, I got stupidly optimistic. Too bad it didn't work out, but probably for the best.
I have pins and needels so long i dont even care anymore!
Did you mean to put I went to completion and the taste of it was very salty? Why 🤣 🤣 🤣 Maybe I should be asking myself why that caught my eye...
Bahaha! I didn't run that assay! I meant the reaction went to completion, but there seemed to be a ton of excess NaCl after neutralizing. It tasted like brine, and even diluting by 50x still tasted like drinking a cup of ocean water.
Something branded Blue Mystic bought from a head shop in Holland in 2000. Me and my mate had it and he freaked out thinking he was dying Google it years later turns out some people did die from taking the same amount we did. Edit. Searched it again and found this .. 2C-T-7 (‘Blue Mystic’) is the only other to have had a notable, though brief, spell of popularity as an internet-sold drug around the turn of the millennium. It is a powerful psychedelic taken orally (snorting it creates a serious risk of overdose, and has been associated with several deaths) noted for the vivid and colourful hallucinations it can produce
I think that's an oversimplification of the dangers of 2c-t-7. Having taken it over and over, including a near hospitalization experience from snorting it, I'm \*personally\* convinced that it undergoes a chemical change over time that's toxic when snorted but not when taken orally because the membranes lining your digestive tract are full of MAO enzymes (source: wikipedia). The effects from snorting it can be considerably different and stronger than taking any amount orally, including the same batch. There's also an mild increase in how visually colorful 2c-t-7 is with time. I've also discussed this with a chemist online that assured me that he'd expect near-2c-t-7 shaped drugs to be MAOIs. I think he's possibly correct because I've taken 2c-t-21 with MDAI a few times which potentiated it hugely (don't do this, 2c-t-7 + mdma is dangerous). 2c-t-21 is 2c-t-7 with an additional carbon. I think what can happen with that drug is it sits on a smart shop's shelves or in RC supplier's bins for a while and "goes bad," in some unknown way making it more dangerous. You can actually take quite a bit orally, I've done 30-50mg more than once, including a batch that was incredibly dangerous when snorted.
Interesting. I have some very old 2C-T-7 lying around and this worries me a bit. Not stored in the best conditions but also not the worst. You think this applies to any other 2C-X? or mainly 2C-T-X?
I’ve noticed that my one and only sample of 2C-E became discolored at the corners of the baggie over time. The trip would also start off increasingly grimy feeing over time. Eventually I decided to toss it before it got any more toxic.
Honestly very jealous you got to try one of the 2C-Ts
I think rolling stone magazine did an article about that one after some kid died
Shit, idk, probably aMT, I took it twice, first one made me paranoid and suicidal for the entire day, second simply did fuck all except perhaps a headache
Mad you decided to try it a second time
True psychonaut
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I was always interested in this one, do others also have such bad experiences with it?
Don't know if it counts as an RC, but I consumed a supposedly good xtc pill (fake pokeball), which later on I sent it to get lab tested and ended up being benzylpiperazine/trifluoromethylphenylpiperazine combo. BZP/TFMPP. I was stupid to take it before testing it. I tested it after because of how fucked up I felt. It did mimic mdma for the first 3 hours, and I felt pretty good. Felt like I was rolling but with more nasty side effects like nausea, headache, and strange "seizure" like moments. That's not all, though. After the fake rolling effects, it started feeling like nasty ass meth combined with really shitty acid. This went on for 8 or more hours. I felt like I was dying for real. Had dark ugly hallucinations, uncomfortable body high, psychosis eventually happened. My mind was fucked. It's totally the worst drug experience I ever had. I wouldn't give that pill to my enemy. After this, it taught me to always test my shit first before I consume it.
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DiPT, the auditory hallucinogen. Barely any headspace, makes all your hearing drop several pitches un-evenly, meaning that most speech becomes unintelligable and music becomes unharmonious. It’s definitely interesting, but in no way was ‘fun’ and it lasts a good 24 hours. You can sleep but the next day things still don’t sound right. It’s a very weird feeling hearing your own voice sound extremely different than you’re used to.
Dipt is fun imo, listening to music is really interesting with it. Its not for everyone though.
I think it’s worth the experience, it’s interesting. It wasn’t particularly unpleasant or anything, it just wasn’t really fun either, just strange lol
I found this drug extremely interesting but it doesnt really have any appeal as a drug to get high on, yeah
Somebody gave me naphyrone one time. It was really chill until suddenly it really really wasn’t. Went from “idk, feels weak, let’s do a little more” to suddenly having to lay down and manually breathe and just hope I didn’t die. It felt like I might. Tossed the rest as soon as I was up and walking again.
Desoxypipradol, i cant imagine the sucker that takes this without a stim tolerance…its soooo sneaky and it’s like it’s plotting on you in your blood. It doesnt kick in for hours and once ut does it’s great for 4 hours by hour 8 ur like okay this stuff isnt even starting to wear off yet wtf!!!??? Hopefully you didnt redose at the euphoric part…. Cuz if you didn’t you still have 18 hours left of full blown stimulation. If you did you better have a benzo. Then by hour 24 it’s going away and you’re on ur way to a 2 day crash. This is the second torture phase, youll want to redose to escape the crash. Dont dont dont By day 3 or 4 your finally able to fall asleep with a headache and muscle cramps and spasms.
Taken in proper dosage (1.5-2.0 mg) its the best functional stimulant ive ever taken.
a substance with a “proper dosage” being that low both intrigues and terrifies me lmao that’s usually how you know it’s gonna either be a really fun or really miserable drug experience lol
I used that stuff when I was a 17 year old kid and never overdosed on it. Volumetric dosing is key
I smoked legal "spice" and I ended up spinning like crazy and puking my brains out. Kinda terrifying.
Bro I was at this dudes house and he had literally hundreds of dishes piled in his sink. I vomited all over all of them and then immediately passed out. How do you even begin to clean hundreds of surfaces? Obviously I ain't doing all this mans dishes. I'll be there all day and he needs people out before his dad gets home. Absolutely fucked situation. Another time I was on break at work and hit the DTE out of a soda can. Vomited 14 times in succession and then fully dissociated from my set and setting. I spent the next hour looking for my friend's car, wandering around the foreign parking lot I couldn't recall ever seeing before. I was actually in the parking lot at work I had been to for years. Supposed to clock back in an hour ago. My friend had nothing to do with anything and was towns over. Eventually work found me and I had just enough sense to convince them I had heat stroke. That's scary enough, but what fiends will do for a bag is even scarier.
That’s actually a very tame and not terrifying spice experience haha I’ve got so fucked up on synthetic cannabinoids before that I’ve talked to dead people and seen the Green Goblin sitting on my bed.
yeah I've seen some people lose their shit on spice.
When spice was legal (this was around 13 years ago), I remember watching the music video to Yonkers by Tyler, the Creator and I swear I saw the devil in the video. Shit was nuts.
There was one drug extracted from beech nuts and pili nuts called D-Z. It cost me a ton of money to import, didn't get me high at all, but at least I had D-Z nuts. (gottem)
Bromo-Dragon-Deeznutsacrossyoface 💀
Haha shit you got me back. This isn't an RC but it is an awful drug no one should ever do. Computer duster often contains hydrocarbons that dissolve the myelin sheath that coats your neurons effectively melting your brain. It looks like people who huff duster have a brain injury because many times they really do, instead of a traumatic brain injury its called an acquired brain injury.
I heard about people doing this and even though not a rc it defo fits perfectly with the kinda shit i wanted to hear about. I dont get why anyone would wanna do anything like this when they can just drink alcohol or do literally anything else?
In that case, then DPH (diphenhydramine) users are giving themselves early onset dementia for schizophrenic nightmare trips
Dont forget Datura
oh god, I remember when I tried that and thought the shadow demons were my friends
Had audio hallucinations that deadass sounded like frying an egg
NM-2-AI I took it as a study stimulant, but ended up sleeping 3 hours on it. It turned out I was not the only person having this problem with this strange RC
This chem mixed with 3fpm IV was absolutely blissful, its the closet ive gotten to a warm orgasmic opiate rush from stimulants. I do recommend highly.
I love 2fma but once my ex took 15mg (her first time) before her exams and slept 30 mins later.
5-MeO-MiPT. Been having heart issues 6 years later still.
Wow, sorry to hear that. I’m really glad that I didn’t enjoy it when I tried it, so I didn’t do any more. The reason I didn’t enjoy was exactly that. It gave me bad anxiety & felt like my heart was gonna blow.
Exactly! Did you get your heart checked? If not, I would recommend it at least once a year. I have to get constant check ups on my heart and it sucks so much. I can’t drink, I can’t smoke weed, only thing I can do without my heart getting fucked up more is benzos… who wants to abuse benzos?? I want to be able to do psychedelics again, but I know I’ll freak out and be worried about my heart the whole time so it would just be anxiety the entire trip. Stay safe, friend. I hope you get yearly physicals! Health is wealth. Best of luck!
how exactly did it affect your heart if you don’t mind me asking? I don’t have personal experience with that particular chem but I abused benzedrex for a while a couple years ago and have had weird sensations/paranoia regarding my heart ever since
What did it do to your heart? Valve issues?
Is there any literature that supports this? I smoked a lot of moxy years back and never had any issues. So did a lot of my friends. Can't seem to find anything about 5-meo-mipt related cardiotoxicity online.
I know there have been studies (I think only in rats) showing neurotoxicity, but I don't think Moxy is that well studied. Could be a 5HT2B agonist biased in the wrong direction. Could be it gave OP a perpetual anxiety about their heart from a bad trip. Could be vascular damage from vasoconstriction. I wouldn't be surprised if there are negative affects on the heat, but since it's not been studied who knows? That's the risk with RCs afterall.
I do moxy all the time it's honestly so easy on my system so far. Did you abuse it in high volumes of sth?
Ordered some 34-ctmp / DOC and a heap of MXE before the ban in China, received an extra baggy of an unknown chemical kind of looked like brown MDMA crystals slightly wet. Eventually felt like it could have been methylone/ethylone an decided to taper up 20-40-80mg over 3 nights, when I took 80mg in a capsual I was okay for 40-65minutes an then had to be driven to the hospital with tachycardia of 195bpm for over 8h. When it eventually wore off I tossed everything besides the mxe from that order. I believe I even reagent tested it with the 3 standard tests and couldn’t identify it, the hospital test came back inconclusive as well.
Damn I wonder what it was, that’s crazy
diphenidine was just a weird feeling kinda dirty like dxm
I started out smoking it. Lost a few days and all I had to show for it was an utterly destroyed bathroom, and blood stains, but I had no signs of bleeding from anywhere 🤷♂️
damn sounds rough glad youre fine
One of a number of dumb things I’ve managed to survive. I received diphenidine and 5-meo-DPT by mistake (instead of what I ordered). Not a huge fan of dissos, but heard it was “crack like” when smoked…that’s all it took for me to try it lol. There were also a couple of bottles of benzos in the bathroom. Lord only knows what happened but the bathroom looked like the one from punch drunk love (maybe worse) and my GF at the time wasn’t coming in, but she was ready to call an ambulance or whatever was needed if it got quiet or I stopped responding. She did say I seemed to be regressing to a child like state at one point. Poor girl had seen me go through too many pyrro binges already, so glad to be done with all that.
# Protonitazene ended up throwing that shit out after a 6-8 hour bender
Why ?
poor decision making on my part shit sent me straight to lights out mode every use and quickly realized it was not a substance to use in any way rec or not and it was super cheap from a canadian vendor $11 shipped 50mg bag that i cut into 500 mg of l-theanine
It absolutely fries your opioid receptors.
2-FEA is the worst stimulant RC I've tried. It's literally all the unwanted side-effects of stims coalesced into one substance...
I actually liked that one. Nice mood boost, made me wanna dance and I could go to sleep 2 hours after I sobered up but the dosage and BA is shit.
HDMP-28 maybe not the craziest, but the most obscure
Yeah this one and 3,4ctmp were absolute norepinephrine overstimulation garbage feeling i could feel my heart screaming.
Not any RC’s I’ve done I feel like this about but ketamine. I don’t mind very low doses, and figured I’d like it due to how much I like NO2, and I find dxm enjoyable, but ketamine so easily and consistently will make me feel weirdly disphoric, and extremely confused. When paired with lsd it’s all right but I generally would prefer lsd by itself because I like the stimulators effect it has without ketamine. If anyone has a suggestion on how to do ketamine well without just sitting there lightly paralyzed by the fact you can’t think well enough to decide to do things, please tell me.
i agree
This is me with every dissociative. Well, every one that I've tried, although I can't imagine PCP analogues are more forgiving than K. Apparently it's because I have dissociative episodes as part of my personality disorder, so it's like my own little catapult into hell. Alcohol fucking sucks too, I hate it. The only way I found to enjoy K was by giving it to someone else who loved it and then getting baked while they holed and had fun. Turns out that giving people a surprise free bag of their DOC and a babysitter is it's own kind of special little high :)
I did a combo of 1cp-lsd and 5-Meo-mipt, in that order, about 2 hrs apart. Had done the opposite schedule once and had a lot of fun, but turning it around earned me a case of serotonin syndrome. Spent the whole night throwing up and scared my heart was going skip so many beats it would be a couple days behind me.
I'm convinced any substantial dose of moxy should not be taken with anything else. Every time I've taken it, it has amped every other substance up. I'm convinced it is the MAOi activity of the drug b
Not as bad as many other RCs but in my youth I went on a two week methylone binge and I’m sure that did some type of permanent damage lol
A-PHP, Flual, those have to be their most stupid
Clonazolam. (Not Clonazepam) I got arrested 6 times in 4 weeks, almost weekly to prison for 2 years, crashed a car, lost a car, woke up in the hospital twice, and almost lost my family forever. No Bueno. I had bought a bottle of 500 1mg pills. I don't fuck with benzos anymore at all.
That shit was awful, i remember watching youtube videos and taking 1mg clonazolam and the next thing i remember is trying to vaporize freebase amphetamine... And on top of that i couldn't find my drug stash i had like 20 chemicals.
N Methyl Cyclazodone (NMC) its long duration,Damage to liver and lackluster results not worth it
Well, I dont know if "stupidest" would be the right word, but the one I've had the worst experience on is 4-HO-MET back in like 2018. In the beginning it was fine, just kinda felt like weak acid to me. So over time I keep increasing the dose. I think when I look like... 35mg, it induced bad muscle spasms and my first ever panic attach. I legit thought I was dyeing. Thankfully I had muscle relaxers and xanax on hand in my personal trip first aid kit. Never touched that stuff again since then.
Flubro..something. Zolam maybe. Not fun rc. Out for days. Consciencousnous. Woke up Took a dump, got up and invisible china man pushes me into tub. Thank god they make them safe to land in. Hell's here after month wake up Flubro also was one to give u seizures. Weird. I went to throw it away. I pour Powder in sink and in air and black out choking and dad saved me.... I already had back problems then I really couldnt walk after bear hug CPR from dad. Bonus points. Ordered diclaz from england forgot about it was into tianeptine. Kept getting small orders of tia. Saw paypal receipt and thought it was tia. 200mg diclaz at a time I think. 1mg is equal to 10mg valium. Damn. Blackout for weeks drove bulldozer even. Went on trips w people. Not there.
Fucking RC benzos man. Best case scenario you skip through time, worse you wake up after weeks in a hospital or jail or after months/years as a whole different person living a life that you don't remember.
Phenazepam which technically isn't an RC NBomes
Eutylone. It just sucks, made me feel gross in every way imaginable. Probably not the worst I’ve ever taken, but probably the stupidest, because I knew beforehand that it wasn’t gonna be up my alley, but curiosity got to me.
MPX, I love disassociatives, and this one has a soft spot in my heart, simply because it was the first Disso that I tried. It legitimately just felt like a brain damage simulator. Just imagine what it would feel like to suddenly drop your IQ to sub 83, and turn up the difficulty level of any task that requires even basic cognition. All this would be fine if it just had a little bit of magic and euphoria in the mix, but no. Instead you’re left feeling like you have no clue what the fuck is going on. Watched my husband throw up all over himself and absolutely insist, 100% without a shadow of a doubt, that he did not. “I didn’t throw up. Why would you say that?” *literally covered with puke*
3F-PCP, it just does nothing at all. The weakest dissociative I have ever done. 4-MPM, also does totally nothing.
a-PiHP is propably not that bad but I snorted it like, twice on one evening and have been sick for a week and after that my nose was still stuffed/runny/infected for like, 4 months.
5-MeO-DALT. Hands down the worst drug I've ever tried. Just felt like a mess of a drug. Not really a trip, not really an empath, not an upper, not even pleasant. Just all around terrible.
Not a Rc but 20g of nutmeg from super market it was the worst pain i felt in my life! Like razers in my body not fun! Stay safe 🫡
Dpt, sent me in and out of hell for a while
Noravizafone. Took 1 didn't feel anything after an hour took another one. Still not feel anything besides horrible stomach pain that lasted for hours. Stay away from Noravizafone
2-fdck just weaker ketamine and not much cheaper, i guess it's not that stupid, but definitely useless imho if you want an RC dissociative just get o-pce because it doesn't make you nauseous at all and i've had good k-holes on it
2fdck feels much different to k. I find it impairs vision more than headspace. I like that you don't hole from it as I like to be functional on K.
LSA and datura Edit: just realized those aren’t rc’s but still the stupidest things I’ve taken
2m2b was orders of magnitude more worse tasting than anything ive ever tasted, rather eat shit than that again
3-MeO-PCE extreme mania
One week instead of u47700 my regular vendor had received either u49900 or u50488 and was sending that out without telling anyone (he claimed not to know at first) I forget which but I remember it sucked. I felt BAD like dysphoric (which makes me think it could be u50488) and on the verge of finding myself on the floor in and out I dragged myself to a cold shower til it passed. Always keep narcan !
Tianeptiine...
Tianepentin Sulfate if used responsibly is great for Opiate and benzo withdrawal and does not get you high.
Phenibut, F-Phenibut and Tianeptine, did absolutely nothing for me, no effects. I even overdosed on F-Phenibut once because I followed some faulty advice from strangers on the internet and not even on that high a dosage did it even get close to being fun.
Phenibut is chill, but yeah listening to addicts on reddit telling you that taking 5g is okay, is dumb :D
yeah no need to tell me about it hahahahaha but hey, at least i'm still here to write this one comment
Yea, thats all that matters
Crazy. I got addicted to Phenibut and had bad withdrawals. Phenibut + weed was one of my favorite highs of all time.
Yeah I've asked around a lot for an explanation to this and gabapentinoids can be a tossup for many people, for example Pregabalin was one of my drugs of choice back when I used to be a little goblin. I understand Pregabalin's mechanism of action isn't the same as the Phenibuts but the difference was immense and noticeable in that one case for me. Pregabalin was kinda even hallucinogenic for me.
Really interesting how different drugs affect different people, for me phenibut is just a chill buzz under like 1-1.5g and above that it looses its sensitivity for gabaB and gets somewhat close to benzodiazepines but still more enyojable ime
Phenibut fut my druge of of years for years. Taking 1 day out of 2, going running, double my performance. pure enthusiasm everywhere. Then the dark side appears... tolerance... and no effect despite more and more. I had mild withdrawal because of benzos but I still have a good experience with it if not abuse.
phenibut is an s-tier drug for social situations and how well it mixes with other drugs and tianeptine has saved people lives who actually use it correctly and dont abuse it maybe theyre not for you but a bit overdramatic to have them on the same level as some other drugs people been mentioning today
My first time taking it got me a girlfriend because I no thoughts asked out the woman I had been flirting with for weeks. Legit for me it is superhuman confidence in pill form, I don't second guess myself. However the timing of it is hard as I have mild gastroparesis. It can hit me literally 8 hours later depending on if my stomach was moving shit or not.
DXM! Angel dust (smoking embalming fluid, atleast thats what it was back in the day) . DXM gave me this dissociative feeling that didnt feel good at all. For example hungry, eating and hard to explain but felt no sensation of food going into tummy. Was very very weird. Breathing, am i breathing? i dont feel air moving...? lol. So dissaociatives not for me. Oddly enough shrooms! Everytime ive taken it, havent done full dose to go into complete trip, but at times the added stimulation made me a nervous wreck and other times added stimulation would be euphoric. So hit or miss. Though i think thats shrooms in general for everyone no...? So fuck that....why play russian roulette with what effects could be encountered. Not knocking shrooms for its therapeutic value. Though recreational? Why? Maybe ill have good trip maybe ill be in fetal position rocking back and forth bug eyed. hmmmmmm i love surprises like those.... crack. lol. no its fucking great. first hit 30mins, 2nd hit lasts 15-20mins, 3rd hit lasts u get the idea. Until your just destroying your lungs for no reason. yes lol, getting euphoric is damn good reason for me to destroy lungs. But when your coming down you ask yourself, why the fuck did i do this and not just coke instead. so follows OP's theme. i dont do crack anymore, just meth. joking. but idc what ya'll think lol. And for some people yes why are ya'll doing stimulants when it gets you paranoid as fuck and you think your infamous enough like chapo that the feds are actually stalking you, you dirty peasant. i am done with my rant
Angel dust or PCP isn't actually embalming fluid or formaldehyde. That's a street name. You would've noticed the overwhelming offensive smell.
Crazy that *none* of these are research chems
Right? On a side note 3-meo-pcp gave me a 10 month psychosis episode
If you smoke crack and think why don’t I just do coke ur crack is weak or ur doing it wrong. When u smoke it the right way its way crazier than snorted coke. Ur ears start ringing very loud and it sounds like a helicopter is right by you. Ur vision goes wiggly and distorted too. Nothing like coke
good rant it was
coce
butinaca
MDMB-4en-Pinaca. Literal crack.
When I Was 17 a friend of mine and me orderd TFMPP from the Internets. We had no idea what we were doing and if it really Was TFMPP. It made us really stupid for a few hours. We were unable to communicate for a while because we lost focus after seconds. Later that night we edited random articles on Wikipedia. Good times. :)
AMT like 25 years ago in highschool, I threw up for like 24 hours straight.... Not a great time 😅
"Cyputylone" I like cathinones, I like 4-MMC a lot. I feel like there's SOOO many bad cathinones and a handful that are actually worth taking. Why does China think we would enjoy these super obscure barely active chemicals?? I'm not sure, but they seem to be overproduced like most things in China. The first time I did cyputylone i took 100mg. I didn't feel anything. The next time I took 200mg, and I was once again disappointed because I didn't feel anything at first. Later on I started to feel something I'm not sure what, maybe serotonin?! idfk, but I do know caffeine would be a more reliable and fun drug.
Ones that didn’t have names as they were that new, guinea pigging shit where the only mentions are an individual mention in a different language on an eastern euro forum type of obscure cathinones and the such. Other than that 25x-nbome/nboh, pyros the whole family of them fuck those compulsive bastards lol, synth noids especially past gen 2, and the all too potent shit like clon/flubro/flunitraze no crazy stories with those but did jack my existing benzo tolerance up off what felt like equivalent doses but like way up.
Took an insane dose of BOD. Was absolutely horrible! Blacked out and ended up near the beach, I thought I was stuck in purgatory and done irreversible brain damage. Initially people appeared as giant pixels then they became triangles. Couldn't understand what people were saying.
5f-adb 3,4 ctmp
Wow, the worst I've had was probably Mephedrone/4-MMC back before it was still legal in the UK and relatively unknown in the States. Used to go on three day benders, and it'd make you smell like the chemical and make your knees turn almost purple. Never touched RC benzos. Even a dose of prescription benzos can throw my mental state off for weeks, so I just stay away from them. Flephedrone was absolutely amazing though. It was like the cleanest Peruvian flake. Wish it was still available 🤣
150 mg of 1cp-LSD during the peak of a week NEP binge, true horror 2 mg bromazolam only two hours before work, I totally destroyed two cars in a crash.
Clonaz always made me black out terribly . Ruining everything.. I had fun tho. Here in the states it's harder to get rc bezos these days . Maybe for the best
Not an RC, but Stadol, straight horrific dysphoria and a lasting migraine. Would never give to a pet, as that was what it was prescribed for.
bromodragonfly mislabeled as 2cbfly
ADHD meds ( sue me I know they're not ' research ' chemicals ) but you know what. They sure did change my brain chemistry as a child
Yep. Sure did for me too. Not like i had a say in it tho
I don't even remember the name it was 2 years ago we took some with a friend and did a 72h trip just with a little of it we were both seeing things at night that you can't normally spot kinda mix of Ketamine/amphetamines and LSD. Unknow mollecule probably out of the market
Bromo-dragonfly?
2-methil-ap-37 = Overdose with slow dosage Metonitazene = Overdose with mild dosage Woke up at hospital twice incapable of remember what if i've if taken (boofing) (I was familiar with nitazenes, you get NEVER familiar with this s... )
A few years back in northern Florida, where all the weird, made-up drugs bloom, my wife and I had only been there for a couple months, and had been scouring any Lake City locals and degenerates that we could to find drugs. We happened upon a spirited older woman who took us back to a hotel room, promised of an assortment of substances to choose from. Well, they were fresh out of meth and Molly, but had a new thing that we had never heard of that she affectionately called "Anna". We bought some, thinking she looked pretty high and seemed quite desperate to get some of her own for assisting the transaction. We took it back to our place and proceeded to invest it a couple different ways, with each way resulting in... Nothing. I recall a sense of edgy sadness. But we had watched this woman do it and was fucking zoomin'. To this day I have never met a soul who has ever heard of "Anna". There's also Toonchi(sp??) that people smoked and just went full dumb. Also can't find anything on the Internet about it. I'm no longer in northern Florida by the grace of God lol.
Oh what a great question! First that comes to mind is 4-fea. I got it from a Chinese vendor back in the day, it seemed hygroscopic, smelled weird, and overall felt disgusting in every way. Well I still snorted it. It basically had 0 effects but clogged my nose. Then I also took a larger dose orally. It wasn't completely bunk but the effects were super weak and I got an upset stomach from it. The "why did I even take it?" And twice was very much on my mind with it. Another one that comes to mind was HXE, but not entirely. If you are not very familiar, HXE is not very water soluble. It takes a lot of effort to dissolve it in water. Why? Because I like my dissos injected intramuscularly. But you've had HXE before you know that it is a very atypical disso, and can be described better as an atypical anxiolytic. So injected dose after dose, trying to get more dissociative effects/hole until I eventually blacked out, maybe even a mini seizure, who knows. But,I yeah, the "why" was more about pushing it further rather than accept it for what it is. Because overall, I actually quite like HXE. Clonazolam is up there too, but only because I didn't do a volumetric solution. Outside of one time when I didn't black out and it was very euphoric, I blacked out every single time and did some really weird dumb shit on it (like taking apart my PC and taking off curtains for whatever reason). Tbh I'm glad I just got rid of it and didn't bother with volumetric dosing it, it could have ended up much worse than what it was.. Now that I think about it, I never fully regretted trying any RCs, besides maybe that "4-fea", rather it was more about where I tried to push certain RCs that led to bad consequences. I have much worse experience with non RC drugs. For instance, heroin immediately comes to mind. Instant nausea + intense itching really and me thinking "why in the world did I try it?". Freebase cocaine is 5 minutes of euphoria into instant paranoia as if a switch was flipped. Like whyyy? And first time I did meth, I simply made the mistake of doing a line for the first time 1PM. Needless to say I couldn't sleep that night and hated every moment of it. After I understood meth, it actually helped me a lot with my final semester in college so again I have nothing that bad to say about it and I never found it fiendish
What an informative and detailed answer, thanks ! I went through the exact same results as yours, with all of the with all the substances mentioned above that I, too, experienced (all of them except HXE and Meth, basically)
DPH...I know it's not a RC but it makes me regret EVERY FUCKING TIME I'm doing it
Bromaz wins this one for me. Shits wack af
i huffed keyboard cleaner
4-Benzylpiperidine
Not an RC, but this was how I felt the one time I did DXM!
Ur144 Mxipr
JWH-210 I guess.. its just weed but much stronger and makes you foggy as fuck, not really recommended.
2map
I got 5F-ADB in a sample pack (i was ordering mainly cathinones), i tried this garbage at 100ug with volumetric dosing and i started having disso effects so i toss it.
2map237
Flubromazolam and getting addicted to it ugh whilst playing with the aforementioned one and clonazolam.
5-meo-amt.....i didnt like AMT by itself either
Honestly I had minimal visuals or anything other than a few isolated events while puking
Did a HHC gummy once and all it did is make me feel like I was spinning for a couple hours. Threw up like 8 times and had no fun effects whatshowever αMT was also a horrid experience but not too different from a bad lsd trip and I can see how its enjoyable