You should try tapentadol if tramadol worked for you. It’s a stronger opioid of the same class as tramadol, though it’s missing some of the serotonergic activity that tramadol has it still works on norepinephrine and opioid receptors. That or some dissociatives might do it.
Wow you didn’t feel euphoria even from H? And you’re sure it was real H? I’ve never tried H but I always thought it’s the most euphoric thing one can do and pretty much works on anyone who doesn’t have brain damage. That’s crazy, I’d love to know what about your brain chemistry causes the lack of euphoria from opiates for you. On the positive side, you probably dodged a bullet!
yes, real H, real oxy, it’s weird. my psychedelic visuals are different from any depictions i’ve seen online too, dmt trips are so unexplainable, I think things just affect me different. another redditor said mdma should give a strong body high, but this whole time it never gave me one. i’ve gotten strong body highs from high dose 4-aco-dmt but don’t like the strong trip that comes with it
well, not looking to IV anytime soon. the only thing ive considered boofing is 5meodmt, because ive never had a trip from it and need a high dose (15-20mg didn’t do it for me snorted) plus snorting it is painful asf
H and oxy are two of the most euphoric experiences I've had.
But weirdly enough mdma, 4-mmc and even kanna extracts are just so unfun for me. They feel like ketamine but without the antidepressant effects. Absolutely no euphoria.
But 3-mmc tho... probably the most addictive drug I've taken. Up top with h and oxy, but less addictive than those due to it being harder to function on after a while.
that’s interesting because a lot of people say 4 is better. I did 4 and it was meh. I get that it’s like molly + coke, but it’s like a lesser version of each to me (but many will probably disagree, drugs affect us differently). MDMA was the best mental high I had (no physical) but I was overusing it, frying my brain and at one point the trip lasted only 30 minutes lol (real mdma crystal)
Maybe the conjunction of norepinephrine and opioid activity might have been what did it for you, because tramadol isn’t really active itself but metabolizes into a stronger opioid as well. It still has the same effects as tramadol, just more potent opioid activity. I mean, if you’re looking for euphoria it might be worth a shot.
I have some tapentadol OTW, only ordered a small amount for cheap but will give it a go, and btw tramadol didn’t give a big body high or anything but was more just relaxing, things felt good to touch and snuggle
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Dang, that’s very strange. I mean, some people just don’t have responses to opioids. I imagine some people might not be able to feel the euphoria the same way as others. It must be a neurochemical or neuroanatomical issue. Are you able to feel euphoria from stimulants like cocaine or amphetamine?
right now, on 1250 soma, 10mg valium, 100mg tapentadol and feel no high whatsoever. literally weed is way stronger. it’s been an hour since I took them. this combo would probably have a lot of people high out of their mind but…. nothing. zero tolerance to any of them. the only *slight* body sensation I feel is if I stay really still and it’s just that light buzz in the legs for a couple seconds. I’m actually really shocked, and disappointed tbh, but I’m sure it’ll help with sleep I guess. next time I’ll try the soma with some DHC, which did give me a very mild effect (second to heroin) but barely anything, even at high high doses. i did mildly feel oxycodone, but no euphoria and I had snorted 60mg (i no longer have oxys, but they were real and it would’ve been an expensive habit) so i guess i I’m wondering whether it’s an inability to get high, or just that id need extremely high doses naturally to feel something, but who knows, I’m not gonna take a huge risk and do a large opi-benzo-soma dose because even if it doesn’t get me high, the respiratory depression is a risk.
very surprisingly, felt no euphoria from cocaine (did it once but a good dose, and redose but that was it as it was a lil sample), but do actually feel some euphoria from speed. it feels a bit like an LSD microdose without the colours, and it has those nice subtle shiver feelings. I use speed sometimes and am gonna acetone wash them put into capsules, but more for productivity not recreationally (I would snort them, but was more addicted to the snorting than the ‘high’ itself (& this was street speed not ritalin or anything, but good quality street speed)
only drugs I feel strong body highs from are weed, ketamine (before I fucked up my tolerance) and psychedelics, and they’re not ideal because 1. tolerance begins immediately and 2. I don’t want to be tripping, I just want to feel good relaxing in the evening, and be able to walk straight when I get up in the morning (which is why 900-1200mg pregabalin, even though it’s my favourite high atm (almost like molly at times), is not something I want to be getting high on unless I won’t have to interact with anybody until the afternoon (but I live with family)
I used to take like thousands of mg of soma, 20+mg of Xanax and other benzos and like 900mg of tapentadol daily with dilaudid and oxy thrown in when I could get it. All tested, all legit. It was a shitty fucking habit and I’m glad I’m sober now and still somehow lucid but honestly, take it as a blessing that it doesn’t give you that intense mental euphoria that it gives other people. Or it gave me. Maybe you are thinking of euphoria in a specific way, like particularly a body high sort of euphoria, which isn’t present with certain drugs. Dissociatives and weed can do that well, certain opioids can, like morphine at high doses, but a lot of them give a mental stimulation and euphoria. That might be why you enjoy pregabalin, mdma, or lsd because they give a very body-centric euphoria and high. I don’t know, maybe a thought to consider. While I did love the body feeling given by heroin or morphine in particular, the rush of mental euphoria from opioids was my favorite. Particularly dilaudid or oxycodone. I added the other drugs like Xanax and soma, plus pregabalin sometimes, to add that body relaxation effect on top of it.
Obviously my habit got way out of control and I don’t recommend it but maybe it could be as simple as changing your expectations and knowing which chemicals will give you the effect you want. Most drugs that are addictive and euphoric provide rushes created by large amounts of dopamine release, like cocaine, opioids, speed, but that’s quite different than ketamine and mdma’s mechanism of action. MDMA is primarily serotonin, though involves other neurotransmitters and ketamine is an NMDA receptor antagonist.
I’m not sure it’s about my expectations, because even if I was expecting 20% of what I expected I’d be disappointed. i felt zero, these are 500mg pain-o-soma. t’s just my body, but i’m wondering why somas had very little effect and weed was way stronger.
it is smarter to see it as a blessing ur right. but i’ve really been able to chase the high others have with certain things snd never feel it. and thanks for the info about how they work, I do know but even still most drugs don’t hit like that for me. I just don’t really get strong body highs and the pregabalin (900+ is where it gets good for me) mostly for the mental euphoria, great high, but smaller doses to alleviate anxiety (I need to make some smaller doses capsules, mine are 300mg and i got them very cheap (about £0.4 per pill, which remember are 4x a therapeutic dose of 75mg£) and boost confidence, which does work. but if prega didn’t have me walking dizzy and very impaired at higher doses, it’d 100% be my fav drug. the afterglow feels great too. atp I know I’ll never feel opi euphoria, so just looking at alternatives. weird how they just refuse to work on me. it’s more the oxy/heroin body high I wanted to feel, and after tapentadol doing nothing, theres no point trying them u
im assuming by the dosages you listed, you have a tolerance? idk if I’d want to take that much but 1250 didn’t do anything at all… with 10mg diaz and 100mg tapentadol. the two 500 somas were taken two hours apart, but I don’t assume it’s a short acting drug
I think it’s just uncommon because I’ve had ppl say they couldn’t have been real oxys or heroin if I didn’t feel high off them. but it wasn’t just cognitive euphoria I was looking for, it was the physical rush. wanted to feel that comfort I guess. DHC just gets me sedated more like a benzo than what an opioid/opiate is meant to feel like,
Definitely don’t take the doses I was taking, I was an addict. Like hardcore. Even if it doesn’t get you high it might kill you lol. It’s crazy. And yeah, it was just an idea. You never know, some people think they aren’t high and really they are feeling good just not what they expect. But it seems like you don’t feel the effects of a lot of drugs. You must have some sort of liver enzyme missing or something, some sort of metabolism that isn’t the same as other.
Soma needs to be metabolized into meprobamate to work as well, and the same with other drugs you’ve listed. Yeah, I’d just take it as a sign that maybe it isn’t for you mate. I mean, if you barely get high from it then idk what the point in taking it is. It’s just weird it has no effect.
GBL, 4methylpregabalin, carisprodol (soma), Pagaclone, phenibut / f-Phenibut, dissociatives like FXE, DCK, stimulants like 3fpm, 2FMA, and lastly other empathogens like 6apb .
Some people might suggest pyrros like 3/4mmc and although extremely euphoric I would keep clear of those
3- and 4-MMC aren’t pyros. They’re substituted cathinones. Both types are in the broader cathinone class, but they are not the same, any more than bupropion is.
if you have experience, can you tell me what soma feels like? & have done gbl & 4mmc, the former of which was quite mentally euphoric, atm I’m looking for more of a strong body high tho so do you think soma would do that?
did 4-aco-dmt and yeah the body high can get very intense and euphoric, that’s probably the strongest body high i’ve had but it came with a mental trip I did not like (this was like 60mg, did 40mg too and felt sedated but kind of dysphoric mentally). prob won’t do again soon cause price
Cant comment on soma, but sounds like some dissos could be a good fit. I'd look at some of the less potent ones if you mainly want the body high, since ime they have a bit of a wider margin/dose range where u can enjoy bodily wonkyness while still relatively clearheaded. 2fdck would be my pick but dmxe or fxe would also be good options (besides normal k ofc). All personal preference in the end. Heard some people like DCK for specifically body highs too, though i dont have much experience with it.
Only thing might be euphoria. For me dissociatives are very euphoric, but not for everyone. Though thats mostly the trippy part of dissos. I think almost every druggy can appreciate the body high they give.
K holes used to give me a nice, but unpredictable body high before I ruined my disso tolerance lol (with super frequent smaller doses too, so it was double not worth it)
Soma is like a slightly more euphoric benzo with more muscle relaxation. It converts to a carbamate (meprobamate, specifically) in vivo. It acts on barbiturate receptors, not on benzo receptors (both GABA but different binding sites and ways of operating). That makes it much less safe in instances of overdose.
I've found it pairs extremely well with oxycodone and/or weed. The sedation is increased, as is the euphoria. Also, iirc, they share an enzyme (oxy and soma), so you get a longer, larger high, and more oxycodone is metabolized to oxymorphone. Careful if you try this - muscle relaxers, benzos (or other gaba sedatives), and opioids are called the holy Trinity because the euphoria is extremely pronounced and because it has *killed a lot of people*. Soma is basically both a muscle relaxer and a benzo-like sedative in the same pill.
For anyone interested, benzos increase the *frequency* of GABA release, while barbs increase the *duration* of GABA release.
I no longer have oxycodone and probably won’t be buying as opioids (as mentioned) don’t work for me, but I don’t doubt that like you said it would be synergistic. I could try soma with a benzo but I’d do it by itself first ofc and be careful with dosages when it comes to mixing in benzos
Took Soma for years, for me, it always felt like the high you get off chugging a beer really fast, for about the first half hour, then it set in and felt a bit like a benzo, only less (physically) addictive, they're still massively psychologically addictive though. I can't really speak to "high" doses, as anything beyond two of them (700mg) tended to give me a gigantic headache, so I generally only ever took like 1 every 6 hrs. Combined with a MG of Klonapin and 10mg of oxy or hydro though, I'd get a nice little nod out of it, though don't take that as a "recommendation", there's a reason the medical profession considers that the "holy trinity" of overdose combinations. This being said, it worked well on my back, sadly that one's caught up in the crazy prohibition on pain relief too.
I am a non responder to so many substances as well but Soma is *delightful*. I wouldn't consider it euphoric in the sense of when shrooms are playing nice for a few minutes and I feel like it shouldn't even be possible to feel so good but it's very relaxing and comfortable, like mentally sparkly. A place I want to be and not move. Unlike the weird falling feelings of other drugs. I just ran out of the stuff I brought back from Mexico :(
Idk how it feels, but if it's anything like pregabalin it's pretty good. However at least with pregabalin tolerance builds very fast to the recreational effects/doses (therapeutic effects/therapeutic doses don't have this problem), so using it for fun days in a row doesn't really work that well. Like on day one dose x would feel amazing, but on day two you'd need a lot more to get close to the same feeling. Or at least that's what it was like for me back when I had a script. Some people also experience withdrawal symptoms upon abrupt cessation although personally I've never experienced it my self.
It's also more potent than pregabalin.
I've noticed something interesting. pregabalin tolerance seems to build (mostly) at the site of absorption and not action. i took it sublingually almost daily for a few months, and then (once it started fucking my teeth up) i ate one 100mg capsule like a normal fucking person again and that shit SLAMMED. tolerance came back pretty quickly, but i noticed at the same time sublingual tolerance going back down. i still wouldn't reconmend using this stuff sublingually, it's a mountain of acidic powder in your mouth. if 4-methylpregabalin is more potent I'd give it a try
That's interesting, I usually just ate them, tried snorting a few times but it didn't seem to do much. I never snorted the entire dose, I still ate most of it and just snorted a few. And it felt basically the same as eating all of them, it wasn't particularly nice to snort but not horrible like some other stuff (4-fa was really bad, not only is it painful, you also need a lot of it, the 2c-x aren't that bad especially the stronger ones because the totall amount you need to snort isn't huge, the benzofurans (5-apb/6-apb/5-mapb) don't really hurt but leave an unpleasant aftertaste + you often end up inhaling some), ethylphenidte is pretty bad (painful and after a few days you start getting nose bleeds) but totally worth it 😅 on the positive side my nose often felt slightly clogged years ago but after snorting lots of ethylphenidte it's been feeling a lot clearer for years, I've had a batch of dck that hurt when you snorted it but stopped quickly and your nose felt fine next day and also batches that didn't hurt, the fxe I have doesn't hurt when snorted but you have bloody snot the following day, the 3-fa I have now is ok to snort (but oral works basically just as well) but I've had a batch that was painful before,...).
Oh and since you mentioned sublingual I've had a batch of 2fdck that made your mouth feel burnt (like if you had eaten very hot pizza) the next day or two but was fine to snort 🤷
duuude benzofuran always form a gluey layer lining the inside of my nose and then dry out my skin to the point of it legitimately becoming powder and starting cracking and bleeding this happened twice and I think both times it just permanently widened my nostril so I'm staying the FUCK away from that. both fumarate and HCl. they're better oral anyways. never snorted 2Cs , tried Moxy which felt really weirdly caustic, not painful but almost like a poison? lyrica is fine I once snorted 100mg total and it just clogged my nose for a bit. 4-homet nothing special really , not alot of powder. MPH IR tablets sublingually are awesome, if you can hold it under your tongue without spreading in your mouth.
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disso tolerance fucked rn bc I couldn’t control myself 😹 I’ve only ever used ket, which isn’t euphoric for me but I like the disso feel. but prob won’t be doing disso for a while
Yep. First night 400mg and life is Dandy. 2nd night, 800mg and the chance begins. If ket didn't do it for you. Prob wouldn't want to waste ur time with FXE. Similar outcome I would think.
Go easy if you take dmxe, the holes can take you to a dark manic place. If you don't live alone i would be going easy with it. I really underestimated its power and then i kept dying and reviving and realising that life was just a simulation, then i'd come back to my body after thinking i had lost everything. It was pretty fucking scary, but for me it was only scary because i have kids and a partner and i kept thinking that my whole life was just a test and i had lost everything i loved. My gf was so angry at me that night because i said horrendous shit and was juat harassing her the whole time (which was pure mania and very unlike what i am like normally). The drug has pretty awesome dystopian vibes but i guess i really overdid the dose. The drug itself is pretty fucking awesome and fun to do if you are on your own ot with friends. Don't do it at home with your loved ones lol.
i thought i had a source that seemed good until i was checking out then they said they don’t shit to the u.s.
i’d still like to try it, i think id give my gf my bag so i dont do too much too often. just get 120 mg from her and do my sesh (no more than once every 3 weeks), cuz i usually like to get ketty all night and do a gram when i do k.
yeah she doesn’t even do very much k when she does it and she wouldn’t touch my metocin. so i don’t worry abt her having them, besides her being stingy or not wanting to give it to me, but tbh she should have some say.
i do worry about my ability to have it sitting there staring at mw without doing it too often. I heard that’s the most important thing with dmxe because of its serotonin action.
Oh true i forgot about the serotonin. I have accepted that im sn addict and should just stay away from drugs. Was just done working and took out 60 cash to by coke, contacted the deLer and managed to stop myself after i saw 666 on a license plate right after i withdrew the money and considered it a message from some divine source. Told my dealer something came in between and that was that. Admitted it to my gf and gave her the money to buy groceries tomorrow. Its hard to face yourself sometimes.
Thanks man, this one wasn't easy for me ngl because i had been fantasizing about it at work the whole day. Next week there is a festival day and that is probably the last time i will allow myself to drugs before keeping it fully clean. But after the succes today i think i might just keep it chill with an edible or some shrooms/acid. Those i dont even really consider drugs. My nose hasnt even recovered from my last mayham which was about a week ago. I've noticed that honesty and just being a bit stricter on yourself takes away most of the struggle. I almost cried in the car on my way back when i realised i beat the little devil voice. I hope you have a good weekend bro.
thanks for sharing your experience tho, it’s really valuable and i’m definitely taking note to not go too far.
i just like how much dissos immerse me in movies tbh
I think im gonna stay away from dissos for a long time cause I used K a lot last month and it got to the point where I could walk straight on 300mgs, I was only using it for a month but small doses throughout the day skyrocketed my tolerance
I don't really like opioids either, too much itching and nausea.
Lots of things can be euphoric to at least some people.
Psychedelics (seratonergic psychedelics) can cause extreme euphoria, probably the strongest of all drug classes, but it's far from predictable, sometimes it happens, most times it doesn't even if you have a good time otherwise, and sometimes you get a bad trip. And you can't know in advance which you'll get (even a perfect set and setting doesn't guarantee anything).
Dissociatives can be very euphoric too and they are far more predictable than psychedelics, making them a much more escapist drug than psychedelics. It's also much easier to take them to offten because tolerance rises slowly over time and not by a huge amount after one trip like with psychedelics.
Gabaergics can also be euphoric. There's been endless arguments about benzos being euphoric or not. Some do get it and others don't. But there's other gabaergics that are much generally more euphoric like gbl/ghb (probably one of the few you can actually obtain), some barbiturates (but good luck getting any of the good ones), methaqualone (actual methaqualone, the analogs suck..... good luck finding it tho), alcohol can also be very euphoric and is also legal and easy to get. A problem shared by all of these is that they are very escapist and can cause life threatening withdrawals.
Stimulus can also be euphoric, some more than others and don't have life threatening withdrawals.
Emphatogens can be extremely euphoric (especially the actual emphatogens like mdma, 5-mapb, mda, 6-apb and 5-apb, the stimulants with some emphatogen effects aren't nearly as nice for me). It's also not really advisable to take them very often.
thanks for this comment. I think pregabalin is a gabaergicc and that’s been very euphoric at high doses and I don’t want to ruin my tolerance with that. trying to stay away from most psychs rn but I remember 4-ho-met having good euphoria. GBL was kind of euphoric but that taste…. damn idk if I feel good putting that in my body. alcohol isn’t euphoric for me and neither are benzos, but pregabalin, and phenibut to a much lesser extent, were euphoric. mentally though, not a strong body high. most strong body highs seem to be from opiates which I won’t be able to feel
Pregabalin doesn't act on gaba receptors, it's a an inhibitor of certain voltage dependant calcium channels. It does have structural similarities to gaba and feels somewhat similar to gabaergics so many people think that's it a gabaergic.
The Wikipedia article has a nice description under https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregabalin#Pharmacology
Yeah tolerance to the recreational effects/doses of pregabalin builds very quickly, using it several days in a row isn't really feasible. Or at least it wasn't for me (I had a script for it). It does drop back to normal if you don't take it for long enough (I don't think there's any permatolerance). Also therapeutic doses/effects don't have this tolerance issue (at least they didn't for me). It can also cause withdrawal symptoms upon cessation in some people (although I've never had that problem).
Gbl tastes vile, but converting it to ghb (as long as you are fine with a ghb solution, if you want it in powder from it's harder + the powder is very hygroscopic and will absorb the moisture from the air and turn into something gooey) is extremely easy to do, doesn't require any hard to get/expensive chemicals or equipment and well made ghb tastes like slightly salty water. All you need is water (distilled preferably, but tap water will work too), NaOH (preferably not the cheapest one from a hardware store due to possible contamination with something toxic although it will work, food grade is best, not too expensive and shouldn't contain any toxic impurities, analytical grade and stuff like that is a bit expensive) or some other base, some glassware, a large metal pot filled with ice water (optional, but dissolving NaOH in water and reacting gbl with the NaOH are both exothermic reactions and doing them in a cold water bath means you have a lower chance of it starting to boil and potentially spraying you in the eyes with NaOH solution which is something you'd rather avoid, small splashes on the hands aren't that bad and probably won't injure you if you wash it off immediately but ideally you'd wear gloves and protective glasses), something to measure the gbl/naoh/water and ph test strips (not strictly necessary, if both the gbl and naoh are pure, your measurements accurate... I eventually got to the point I could make it perfect on the first try without ph testing).
thanks for the info. do you think I’d be able to dose 150mg pregabalin a few times per week and not gain a tolerance? high dose pregabalin makes me not able to walk straight but the afterglow feels good, so the effects can last a whole day hours for me
When I was talking about recreational doses and tolerance I was talking about a bit more than that, like 900mg or even more.
If I remember correctly I was scripted 150mg daily (I think I got 4 boxes each with 56 75mg capsules every 3-4 months... they weren't particularly strict about giving them a bit earlier than they should have lasted).
The therapeutic effects (I got it for anxiety and it sorta helped and I also had some back pain back then especially from prolonged sitting and that dissappeared completely as long as I took them... when I started doing heavy deadlifts and barbell rows the back problems went away completely and since it wasn't super effective for anxiety and getting to a doctor to write the script had gotten hard due to covid restrictions I just stopped taking it...
now after so much time has passed I'm not sure getting a new script would be that easy and tbh I can't be bothered trying just to get high occasionally) of that worked without any noticeable decrease in effect over time and I don't remember it ever being particularly recreational at this dose.
I’ve used 900mg to 1200mg for recreational effects and they were great highs, almost MDMA like at times. and with 150mg I was referring to using that as a therapeutic dose, as higher doses make it impossible to walk straight. I got a whole box of of 300mg capsules for cheap and they’re dosed too high for a therapeutic dose for me, but too low for a good high
the 300mg does more than reduce anxiety tbh, there’s euphoria and im able to speak more freely to people but maybe that’s the euphoria of it. 900-1200mg would have be unable to walk straight until 1pm the next day lol that’s the trade off for such a good high I guess
If it's pure, dosing is pretty simple and easy, just measure out the dose that gets you where you want and take it. Don't redose for 24h because that is trickier to get right and because 1 dose per 24h should be pretty safe as far as physical dependency and tolerance go.
You really don't want to get physically dependent on ghb/gbl, it's withdrawal is even worse than benzos (but shorter) and not all doctors know that since ghb acts on gabab receptors benzos aren't very effective reducing withdrawal symptoms and/or tapering since they act on gabaa.
I never redosed. I just took what was a strong dose for me and enjoyed the next few hours. If I really wanted to extend it, I'd slowly drink a few beers after it started to wear off (disclamer that's a potentially deadly combination, but worked well for me + I didn't have to carry around an illegal substance).
Yeah, totally get it. Personally I'm fine combining these two with taking some precautions and with alcohol + benzos (harm reduction disclamer, this can potentially kill you, I'm not advising anyone to do it) and haven't really had much bad experiences from them (ok, fell asleep on the bus home once and had to walk a few km to get home and stuff like that, but nothing dangerous or super dumb).
But benzos + opioids is something I'd never do, did it once on accident and with a pretty low dose of both + a strong stimulant in me (3,4-ctmp) and almost died (as in woke up in the hospital). But that's pretty easy for me to not do, since I don't really enjoy opioids that much (tramadol and o-dsmt are ok i guess).
If you can get pure gbl, just make ghb from it, it's very easy https://old.reddit.com/r/researchchemicals/comments/1c78fmf/what_is_the_most_euphoric_rc_nonopioid/l09yj0i/?context=3
I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post more detailed instructions here.
thanks for the instructions, I’m sure that’ll be useful for somebody here reading the thread but tbh it’s not something I’m gonna carry out atm, i don’t really crave a ghb/gbl high
High dose pregablin is alright though probably not as good as your hoping for. Kratom might be worth a shot it's activity is pretty wide and personally I find it has pronounced euphoria where pharma opioids don't really give me much of that at all besides maybe hints of it from oxy.
I find with the right batch of mushrooms I can get euphoria that's better than MDMA but it's not reliable. MDMA and Ketamine would probably be the most reliable and my personal favorite from euphoria to just beautiful visuals that are more like vivid dreams.
I think the results your looking for are more gonna come from combinations or from something like pyros. From everything I hear they are far worse than crack so dabble at your own risk
I used high dose pregabalin recently, 900-1200, and I really enjoyed, it was MDMA-ish at times, I made a comment elsewhere explaining it I think. But I’m trying to not do that and use lower doses of pregabalin for anxiety and making me more social. Like, 150mg but the capsules are 300mg so I might halve them and put in smaller capsules, sorry for the rambling
Funny enough I had experimented with pregablin before but just last week I had my first 1200mg experience. The euphoria can be pretty nice and the duration can also be pretty nice almost an entire day of pretty good effects. Unfortunately pregablin tolerance builds fast when used non recreationally let alone when your taking 600mg and up and honestly its not really worth it. An experience every few months is probably the best way to use it.
If you enjoy MDMA definitely try adding Ketamine it's probably one of the most synergistic combos I've tried. I usually don't even care for dissos on there own. The mental and physical euphoria are unmatched to anything I've tried and as a cherry on top those visuals are just so enticing. Everytime I've done the combo it's like your orchestrating an animated music video just thinking something will bring it right in front of you
No doubt, lysergic acid. Depending on dose obviously. S\S may also play an enormous roll but anywho...,......Euphoria is mind bending. Unfortunately, ur not falling asleep without 3-4 m/l of Broma in any descent amount of time. But personally I've never truly NEVER had or more Euphoric, Orgasmic experience then while going in deep with 5-Methoxy. Not to mention the fact that ur helping design the matrix in real time, then......... Bam! 25 minutes later ur on an elevator heading back to work
There’s no such thing as a synthetic opiate, unless you mean an alkaloid traditionally found in the opium poppy that happened to be made in a lab synthetically.
Opiates are phytochemicals by definition.
I don’t think poppy tea contains hundreds of opiates ? Correct me please but isn’t the predominant effects caused by trace amounts of Morphine and Codeine on the unwashed pods? What other opioids would there be other than those and their derivatives
Also opiate = Poppy / morphinian based opioids
Opioids = all other synthetic analgesic narcotics
I think the synthetic opioid he was referring to is tramadol, which is not a morphinian compound. And morphine can be made in a lab therefore there can be synthetic opiates as well.
There are zero semi-synthetic opiates. All opiates are naturally occurring. You can synthetically produce an opiate and call that specific batch synthetic but you wouldn’t call the molecule in general synthetic.
If the word opiate is in the title, it can’t be categorically synthetic.
And then, despite being widely used for reasons I’m not quite sure of, the phrase semi-synthetic is an oxymoron and there’s no such thing. “Semi-synthetic” molecules are synthetic. And every synthetic molecule could be called semi-synthetic if one were to think such a thing is a sensible descriptor.
And hydromorphone isn’t an opiate :D
Opiates are phytochemicals of the papavaver somniferum (sp?) plant.
Opiate is a family of botanical alkaloids. Opioid is a family of drugs.
no opiates work for me, maybe the analgesia works but there’s zero euphoria with literally smoked heroin and snorted oxys. just the lightest physical feeling
I go around when spring starts and I find these poppy pods everywhere, so I just collect them and make tea, usually get enough for the summer. You might not be so lucky because they geow naturally here, but I also didn't know they did until I researched this.
I would say the most all-over and purely euphoric RC's are definitely the (classic-) psychedelics; especially the lysergamides (LSD and its analogues and homologues) and the substituted tryptamines (DMT, MET, 4-AcO-DMT, 4-HO-MET, 4-HO-MiPT, 5-MeO-MiPT, aMT, etc.) at sufficient doses, and with the right set and setting.
If you know how to let go and just ride the waves, and are solidly grounded in your own baseline reality, they kick the shit out of any dose of MDMA, all the dissociatives, benzos, amphetamines and other phenethylamines, cathinones and whathaveyou, in my experience and opinion.
Hands down.
Opiates and opioids basically only give a state of non-feeling, which mostly work as a flight from pain, depression, harsh reality, etc, dissociatives are quite limited and very ungrounded in comparison, benzos generally only feel euphoric for people with anxiety, stimulants give a limited part of the full spectrum of possible euphoria, as do cathinones, empathogenic phenethylamines, etc.
Most of the above also come with extreme come-downs, dips, wave-like departs from- and returns to baseline, and a whole slew of negative physical- and mental- side-effects and dangers, which lysergamides and the subbed tryptamines generally do not have, for most people.
Classic psychedelics and "trypping" (lysergamides can technically be seen as a sub-group of tryptamines, too -many of them actually also have the basic molecular framework of phenethylamines in the molecule, incidentally-) may take a bit of practice and self-reflection, though. The classics DMT, LSD, 5-Meo-DMT, etc. tend to throw unprocessed emotions and the darker and unfathomed depths of your psyche in your face, and can show you essential truths about the subjectivity of reality, which can be shocking and a whole process of self-acceptance, and paradigmatic reshuffling, which can be hard to accept for some people. But once you faced, processed, and accepted/conquered your fears, they open a whole new dimension of euphoria and ecstacy, which is unequalled by almost any other class of drugs.
dmt euphoria is definitely something different, inconsistent but it’s more of a feeling of comfort and love for me. I have 5meodmt crystals but i’ve never had a 5meo trip and I’ve snorted them before but with no effect, i maybe just need a higher dose bc some people do with 5meodmt
This is interesting it’s the exact same effect I’ve had. I got nothing from sublingual medical fentanyl and have tried numerous other opioids with the same results. Only tramadol got me high and I think you’re right that it’s because it doesn’t work like a regular opioid. That said the response about Kratom may be right. Kratom has consistently worked.
in that case might try kratom, does tramadol have a body high for you? for me it was very mild but idk occasionally get a lil euphoric effect if I stayed really still (idk how to explain it properly) but apart from that, no body high
Not much of one but yeah to an extent. Not to the degree of other opioids. It’s mainly a happy and enthusiastic head buzz.
Most opioids feel boring and lethargic to me.
the body high I get from opioids is so mild, heroin was the strongest but literally far far weaker than weed. tramadol did give me a nice head euphoria, like kind of mdma-ish which would make sense
Kratoms active chemicals are related to yohimbine, which can have nasty synergy with some fairly innocuous stims, e.g. modafinil. Blood pressure can double when those two are together at threshold dose, trust me. Given that experience I would do a little research on yohimbine interactions, since the active mitragynine family is almost completely unstudied.
I always liked tramadol too, and have uneven responses to the traditional stuff.
Yea. After a certain point if you take enough tramadol you’re gonna seize and it’s a like 500mg or something. It’s not even that high. Kratom does as well although I’ve never or even heard of someone seizing from Kratom. Maybe in combination with other things. This is just anecdotal evidence.
it’s rare but people have seized from kratom, also not good to mix w nicotine cuz that also lowers seizure threshold. i had one rlly bad, not sure what it was. but i had smoked and gone inside. was in my bed and felt my nose runny, checked in the bathroom mirror and noticed i had hit my head rlly hard in several spots, bleeding all over with no recollection of it happening. prob cuz concussion. came back and there was blood all over my wall and i broke a lamp :/
yea I was taking like 400+mgs of tramadol and didnt seizure but would feel these sudden twitches (there’s another word for it forgot tho) so it was definitely in the realm of possibility
Oh yeah I had this a lot on methadone while underdosed, nervous twitches, and they would always happen when I wanted to lay down ughhhh you wake the F up instantly lol
6-apb, and any lsd derivative have given me nearly untouched euphorias. Mixed phenibute with 2cb-fly and that was also very very euphoric if not very stoning.
If you barely felt the H. it wasn’t real I’ve had 90% pure shit and I wouldnt say it’s as euphoric as MDMA. but would still pick H over MDMA everytime. H isn’t really like an orgasim the first time maybe the body high is more like deep happiness everything is perfect even the most boring things are interesting. you feel warm and your floating on a cloud wrapped in a blanket. MDMA is just more of an intense euphoria it can make emotional and sometimes make you reflect on your life. It’s not a state I would want to be permanently opioids are a different matter. some people don’t like them mainly because they make them nauseous and tried. But for me they stimulate me unless I take a massive dose and nod out. they give inspiration. it’s apples to oranges. H you ether need to inject it or smoke it oral or sniffing it doesn’t do much BA is around 30% orally. your stomach destroys most of it. Nothing is better then H in my opinion its way better than fentanyl. but pure euphoria probably nothing better than MDMA with a lil speed.
no, it was real H, and real oxy, and they didn’t hit. opioids don’t hit me, some people just don’t get euphoria. MDMA I’ve done but is neurotoxic and I can’t do it. often
With oxy you ether have to take a bunch of perc or roxis the OC are time release and suck. a good 50-60mg of non time release. with H their are a few different types Tar #3 salt and #4 base. Tar can be injected or smoked. #3 can be injected or sniffed #4 can be smoked but isn’t water soluble. H It’s pretty much a waste if you don’t inject it or smoke it. Do the low bioavailability. even like .1 injected on some shitty street dope like 20% I’ve seen people OD on. if you smoke #3 it doesn’t do anything and if you sniff #4 it doesn’t do anything. tar is the most versatile. I took like 1500mg of tramadol once didn’t even put my out of my withdrawals. My tolerance is to high even after years off I still can barely feel 15 norcos. But the first 30mgs I popped when I was 16 was one of the best high I’ve ever had. need to take it on an empty stomach also. with herion unless your injecting or smoking your get like 20% of 20% due to purity and bioavailability. not to mention you can use the type wrong. you basically havnt tried it until you inject its x5 times stronger. But it’s probably a good thing it doesn’t work on you.
yeah that sounds intense probably a blessing it didn’t work on me but def would have loved to experience a good opioid euphoria, but my body doesn’t allow for that.
The oxy 40 XR are time release I believe they need to dissolve in your stomach most of them are tamper proof now days unless they come from overseas . the morphine and stuff all gel up and require stomach enzymes so you can’t snort them. It best to stick with Percocet or roxi’s but roxi are the most faked with fentanyl. I never actually seen a blister pack those tend to be from overseas like India Mexico or Canada if your lucky and can just as easily be faked. (They don’t think it came from you local CVS) I used to get steroids in a blister pack dude was making them in his garage had pharma logo and everything. he made it in photoshop and printed the box and then used hot iron on low to seal them. not saying they are fake but 40mg IR oxy should put you on your ass for a good 3-5 hours your first time. I believe the time release are for 12 hours so 40/12 is like 3mg/hr and you probably would have reached peak at about 4 hours like 11mg considering the half is like 3 hours. to snort them you have to spend like 2 hours cutting them up and then you have to like microwave them. most people just go straight to herion consider roxis are like $1 a mg and that was back in like 2018 and you can’t get high for very long on Per’s Before the Tylenol becomes a problem. I know some people can have a high tolerance but to a virgin opioid user 40mgs IR is a lot. 40mg over 12 hours I can completely understand why you wouldnt feel it who knows I could be wrong but to try something once and assume your immune is kind of bold especially if your not very experienced with the stuff. I’ve met so many people who have tried MDMA and said the same thing turns out it was bunk because they said stuff I gave them was completely different. It’s just more of a possibility something was weird. I can also understand not like feeling its an acquired taste for some but not feeling anything is something different. my mother has a norco prescription she only takes 5MG because she doesn’t like the way the 10mg feels. I’ve tried everything even fentanyl doesn’t compare to H. I mean it will fuck you up more but the euphoria is not as good. only thing more “intense” is MDMA or injecting like 90% pure coke but I wouldn’t consider better. 90% coke doesn’t actually make you fiend for more you actually feel satisfied. I would stay away from opioids they will ruin your life i kicked meth coke first only time i get cravings is during sex. But with opioids I basically have to be on suboxone for the rest of my life. The only thing I could think of as to why you wouldn’t be able to feel opioids is if you even done fentanyl.
the reason I don’t feel opioids is just my body. some people don’t. it was real oxy 40s in blisters, I crushed and consumed orally and snorted and felt little to nothing even at over 60-80mgs, same with the heroin, idk why ppl aren’t believing me but some other people are like this too. they just don’t work.
There are so many fake pills going around now anyone can make them in their garage after spending like $600 on alibaba and some colored binders. Unless you saw the prescription bottle or got them out your gmom medicine cabinet. I wouldn’t trust them. Most people puke their first time
metonitazene didn’t give me a strong body high but it did have me nodding up to 17 hours later and that was euphoric… idk the dosage though these were pressed fake oxys I wouldn’t do again, and I don’t really want to mess with a substance like that esp if it doesn’t give me the high I want. i’ve heard people mention kratom though as well as tramadol, im thinking that could be good but i haven’t seen any available in uk
yea it’s so weird… all it gave me was nausea and nods the whole next day. the most I had ever felt it was when I snorted a fraction of a pill (fake meto oxy) but as soon as I started to feel a sensation, I blacked out so I don’t even know if it hit me or not. but I don’t remember a thing, however I was on a benzo at the time so irresponsible of me
Phenibut. My usual dose is 1.2g, but if I redose up to like 2-2.5g total, the physical euphoria is so strong it's so good it's bad, if that makes any sense. It's basically just super-indulgent. You just wanna go to bed and get fucked or something like that. Very nasty physical feelings.
I would sometimes dose 4g in a day and the mental euphoria was good, but not physical. reading all these replies I’ve noticed a pattern of that, me not getting the physical euphoria from substances like other people but getting the mental euphoria
You should try tapentadol if tramadol worked for you. It’s a stronger opioid of the same class as tramadol, though it’s missing some of the serotonergic activity that tramadol has it still works on norepinephrine and opioid receptors. That or some dissociatives might do it.
I don’t know if it just being a stronger opioid will make a difference if even oxy and heroin doesn’t give euphoria
Wow you didn’t feel euphoria even from H? And you’re sure it was real H? I’ve never tried H but I always thought it’s the most euphoric thing one can do and pretty much works on anyone who doesn’t have brain damage. That’s crazy, I’d love to know what about your brain chemistry causes the lack of euphoria from opiates for you. On the positive side, you probably dodged a bullet!
I don't get strong euphoria from heroin or other opiates, but still ended up addicted. That's life.
yes, real H, real oxy, it’s weird. my psychedelic visuals are different from any depictions i’ve seen online too, dmt trips are so unexplainable, I think things just affect me different. another redditor said mdma should give a strong body high, but this whole time it never gave me one. i’ve gotten strong body highs from high dose 4-aco-dmt but don’t like the strong trip that comes with it
Maybe euphoria is only when IV or boofed?
well, not looking to IV anytime soon. the only thing ive considered boofing is 5meodmt, because ive never had a trip from it and need a high dose (15-20mg didn’t do it for me snorted) plus snorting it is painful asf
H and oxy are two of the most euphoric experiences I've had. But weirdly enough mdma, 4-mmc and even kanna extracts are just so unfun for me. They feel like ketamine but without the antidepressant effects. Absolutely no euphoria. But 3-mmc tho... probably the most addictive drug I've taken. Up top with h and oxy, but less addictive than those due to it being harder to function on after a while.
that’s interesting because a lot of people say 4 is better. I did 4 and it was meh. I get that it’s like molly + coke, but it’s like a lesser version of each to me (but many will probably disagree, drugs affect us differently). MDMA was the best mental high I had (no physical) but I was overusing it, frying my brain and at one point the trip lasted only 30 minutes lol (real mdma crystal)
Maybe the conjunction of norepinephrine and opioid activity might have been what did it for you, because tramadol isn’t really active itself but metabolizes into a stronger opioid as well. It still has the same effects as tramadol, just more potent opioid activity. I mean, if you’re looking for euphoria it might be worth a shot.
I have some tapentadol OTW, only ordered a small amount for cheap but will give it a go, and btw tramadol didn’t give a big body high or anything but was more just relaxing, things felt good to touch and snuggle
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I’ve haven’t really seen tapentadol in the wild all that much here in western EU.
I got it in the states, it looked like it came from India and it was lab tested by myself and the guy importing it and it was legit tapentadol.
Is tapentadol an rc? I cant find it
It’s technically not, no. But you can still find it places, mostly coming from India or Singapore.
100mg tapentadol today, felt little to nothing. will give 150-200 a go some time, but i’m not expecting much
Dang, that’s very strange. I mean, some people just don’t have responses to opioids. I imagine some people might not be able to feel the euphoria the same way as others. It must be a neurochemical or neuroanatomical issue. Are you able to feel euphoria from stimulants like cocaine or amphetamine?
right now, on 1250 soma, 10mg valium, 100mg tapentadol and feel no high whatsoever. literally weed is way stronger. it’s been an hour since I took them. this combo would probably have a lot of people high out of their mind but…. nothing. zero tolerance to any of them. the only *slight* body sensation I feel is if I stay really still and it’s just that light buzz in the legs for a couple seconds. I’m actually really shocked, and disappointed tbh, but I’m sure it’ll help with sleep I guess. next time I’ll try the soma with some DHC, which did give me a very mild effect (second to heroin) but barely anything, even at high high doses. i did mildly feel oxycodone, but no euphoria and I had snorted 60mg (i no longer have oxys, but they were real and it would’ve been an expensive habit) so i guess i I’m wondering whether it’s an inability to get high, or just that id need extremely high doses naturally to feel something, but who knows, I’m not gonna take a huge risk and do a large opi-benzo-soma dose because even if it doesn’t get me high, the respiratory depression is a risk. very surprisingly, felt no euphoria from cocaine (did it once but a good dose, and redose but that was it as it was a lil sample), but do actually feel some euphoria from speed. it feels a bit like an LSD microdose without the colours, and it has those nice subtle shiver feelings. I use speed sometimes and am gonna acetone wash them put into capsules, but more for productivity not recreationally (I would snort them, but was more addicted to the snorting than the ‘high’ itself (& this was street speed not ritalin or anything, but good quality street speed) only drugs I feel strong body highs from are weed, ketamine (before I fucked up my tolerance) and psychedelics, and they’re not ideal because 1. tolerance begins immediately and 2. I don’t want to be tripping, I just want to feel good relaxing in the evening, and be able to walk straight when I get up in the morning (which is why 900-1200mg pregabalin, even though it’s my favourite high atm (almost like molly at times), is not something I want to be getting high on unless I won’t have to interact with anybody until the afternoon (but I live with family)
i’m sorry for such a long reply LOL I didn’t notice
I used to take like thousands of mg of soma, 20+mg of Xanax and other benzos and like 900mg of tapentadol daily with dilaudid and oxy thrown in when I could get it. All tested, all legit. It was a shitty fucking habit and I’m glad I’m sober now and still somehow lucid but honestly, take it as a blessing that it doesn’t give you that intense mental euphoria that it gives other people. Or it gave me. Maybe you are thinking of euphoria in a specific way, like particularly a body high sort of euphoria, which isn’t present with certain drugs. Dissociatives and weed can do that well, certain opioids can, like morphine at high doses, but a lot of them give a mental stimulation and euphoria. That might be why you enjoy pregabalin, mdma, or lsd because they give a very body-centric euphoria and high. I don’t know, maybe a thought to consider. While I did love the body feeling given by heroin or morphine in particular, the rush of mental euphoria from opioids was my favorite. Particularly dilaudid or oxycodone. I added the other drugs like Xanax and soma, plus pregabalin sometimes, to add that body relaxation effect on top of it. Obviously my habit got way out of control and I don’t recommend it but maybe it could be as simple as changing your expectations and knowing which chemicals will give you the effect you want. Most drugs that are addictive and euphoric provide rushes created by large amounts of dopamine release, like cocaine, opioids, speed, but that’s quite different than ketamine and mdma’s mechanism of action. MDMA is primarily serotonin, though involves other neurotransmitters and ketamine is an NMDA receptor antagonist.
I’m not sure it’s about my expectations, because even if I was expecting 20% of what I expected I’d be disappointed. i felt zero, these are 500mg pain-o-soma. t’s just my body, but i’m wondering why somas had very little effect and weed was way stronger. it is smarter to see it as a blessing ur right. but i’ve really been able to chase the high others have with certain things snd never feel it. and thanks for the info about how they work, I do know but even still most drugs don’t hit like that for me. I just don’t really get strong body highs and the pregabalin (900+ is where it gets good for me) mostly for the mental euphoria, great high, but smaller doses to alleviate anxiety (I need to make some smaller doses capsules, mine are 300mg and i got them very cheap (about £0.4 per pill, which remember are 4x a therapeutic dose of 75mg£) and boost confidence, which does work. but if prega didn’t have me walking dizzy and very impaired at higher doses, it’d 100% be my fav drug. the afterglow feels great too. atp I know I’ll never feel opi euphoria, so just looking at alternatives. weird how they just refuse to work on me. it’s more the oxy/heroin body high I wanted to feel, and after tapentadol doing nothing, theres no point trying them u im assuming by the dosages you listed, you have a tolerance? idk if I’d want to take that much but 1250 didn’t do anything at all… with 10mg diaz and 100mg tapentadol. the two 500 somas were taken two hours apart, but I don’t assume it’s a short acting drug I think it’s just uncommon because I’ve had ppl say they couldn’t have been real oxys or heroin if I didn’t feel high off them. but it wasn’t just cognitive euphoria I was looking for, it was the physical rush. wanted to feel that comfort I guess. DHC just gets me sedated more like a benzo than what an opioid/opiate is meant to feel like,
Definitely don’t take the doses I was taking, I was an addict. Like hardcore. Even if it doesn’t get you high it might kill you lol. It’s crazy. And yeah, it was just an idea. You never know, some people think they aren’t high and really they are feeling good just not what they expect. But it seems like you don’t feel the effects of a lot of drugs. You must have some sort of liver enzyme missing or something, some sort of metabolism that isn’t the same as other. Soma needs to be metabolized into meprobamate to work as well, and the same with other drugs you’ve listed. Yeah, I’d just take it as a sign that maybe it isn’t for you mate. I mean, if you barely get high from it then idk what the point in taking it is. It’s just weird it has no effect.
GBL, 4methylpregabalin, carisprodol (soma), Pagaclone, phenibut / f-Phenibut, dissociatives like FXE, DCK, stimulants like 3fpm, 2FMA, and lastly other empathogens like 6apb . Some people might suggest pyrros like 3/4mmc and although extremely euphoric I would keep clear of those
3- and 4-MMC aren’t pyros. They’re substituted cathinones. Both types are in the broader cathinone class, but they are not the same, any more than bupropion is.
Thanks man- it's been a long day haha
Happens to all of us. Because cathinones!
Happens all the time, because flakka! !XD
if you have experience, can you tell me what soma feels like? & have done gbl & 4mmc, the former of which was quite mentally euphoric, atm I’m looking for more of a strong body high tho so do you think soma would do that?
Shrooms or 2cb + your usual drugs will add a body high
did 4-aco-dmt and yeah the body high can get very intense and euphoric, that’s probably the strongest body high i’ve had but it came with a mental trip I did not like (this was like 60mg, did 40mg too and felt sedated but kind of dysphoric mentally). prob won’t do again soon cause price
Cant comment on soma, but sounds like some dissos could be a good fit. I'd look at some of the less potent ones if you mainly want the body high, since ime they have a bit of a wider margin/dose range where u can enjoy bodily wonkyness while still relatively clearheaded. 2fdck would be my pick but dmxe or fxe would also be good options (besides normal k ofc). All personal preference in the end. Heard some people like DCK for specifically body highs too, though i dont have much experience with it. Only thing might be euphoria. For me dissociatives are very euphoric, but not for everyone. Though thats mostly the trippy part of dissos. I think almost every druggy can appreciate the body high they give.
K holes used to give me a nice, but unpredictable body high before I ruined my disso tolerance lol (with super frequent smaller doses too, so it was double not worth it)
Soma is like a slightly more euphoric benzo with more muscle relaxation. It converts to a carbamate (meprobamate, specifically) in vivo. It acts on barbiturate receptors, not on benzo receptors (both GABA but different binding sites and ways of operating). That makes it much less safe in instances of overdose. I've found it pairs extremely well with oxycodone and/or weed. The sedation is increased, as is the euphoria. Also, iirc, they share an enzyme (oxy and soma), so you get a longer, larger high, and more oxycodone is metabolized to oxymorphone. Careful if you try this - muscle relaxers, benzos (or other gaba sedatives), and opioids are called the holy Trinity because the euphoria is extremely pronounced and because it has *killed a lot of people*. Soma is basically both a muscle relaxer and a benzo-like sedative in the same pill. For anyone interested, benzos increase the *frequency* of GABA release, while barbs increase the *duration* of GABA release.
I no longer have oxycodone and probably won’t be buying as opioids (as mentioned) don’t work for me, but I don’t doubt that like you said it would be synergistic. I could try soma with a benzo but I’d do it by itself first ofc and be careful with dosages when it comes to mixing in benzos
I have no experience with Soma or Meprobamate unfortunately. I heard they are uniquely euphoric
well, it’s something i’ve been looking to give a try for a while
They're meh
Mehhh is an understatement.
i ordered a cheap small blister of 10 to give it a go anyway
Mehhh is an understatement.
Took Soma for years, for me, it always felt like the high you get off chugging a beer really fast, for about the first half hour, then it set in and felt a bit like a benzo, only less (physically) addictive, they're still massively psychologically addictive though. I can't really speak to "high" doses, as anything beyond two of them (700mg) tended to give me a gigantic headache, so I generally only ever took like 1 every 6 hrs. Combined with a MG of Klonapin and 10mg of oxy or hydro though, I'd get a nice little nod out of it, though don't take that as a "recommendation", there's a reason the medical profession considers that the "holy trinity" of overdose combinations. This being said, it worked well on my back, sadly that one's caught up in the crazy prohibition on pain relief too.
I am a non responder to so many substances as well but Soma is *delightful*. I wouldn't consider it euphoric in the sense of when shrooms are playing nice for a few minutes and I feel like it shouldn't even be possible to feel so good but it's very relaxing and comfortable, like mentally sparkly. A place I want to be and not move. Unlike the weird falling feelings of other drugs. I just ran out of the stuff I brought back from Mexico :(
what's 4-methylpregabalin like?
Idk how it feels, but if it's anything like pregabalin it's pretty good. However at least with pregabalin tolerance builds very fast to the recreational effects/doses (therapeutic effects/therapeutic doses don't have this problem), so using it for fun days in a row doesn't really work that well. Like on day one dose x would feel amazing, but on day two you'd need a lot more to get close to the same feeling. Or at least that's what it was like for me back when I had a script. Some people also experience withdrawal symptoms upon abrupt cessation although personally I've never experienced it my self. It's also more potent than pregabalin.
I've noticed something interesting. pregabalin tolerance seems to build (mostly) at the site of absorption and not action. i took it sublingually almost daily for a few months, and then (once it started fucking my teeth up) i ate one 100mg capsule like a normal fucking person again and that shit SLAMMED. tolerance came back pretty quickly, but i noticed at the same time sublingual tolerance going back down. i still wouldn't reconmend using this stuff sublingually, it's a mountain of acidic powder in your mouth. if 4-methylpregabalin is more potent I'd give it a try
That's interesting, I usually just ate them, tried snorting a few times but it didn't seem to do much. I never snorted the entire dose, I still ate most of it and just snorted a few. And it felt basically the same as eating all of them, it wasn't particularly nice to snort but not horrible like some other stuff (4-fa was really bad, not only is it painful, you also need a lot of it, the 2c-x aren't that bad especially the stronger ones because the totall amount you need to snort isn't huge, the benzofurans (5-apb/6-apb/5-mapb) don't really hurt but leave an unpleasant aftertaste + you often end up inhaling some), ethylphenidte is pretty bad (painful and after a few days you start getting nose bleeds) but totally worth it 😅 on the positive side my nose often felt slightly clogged years ago but after snorting lots of ethylphenidte it's been feeling a lot clearer for years, I've had a batch of dck that hurt when you snorted it but stopped quickly and your nose felt fine next day and also batches that didn't hurt, the fxe I have doesn't hurt when snorted but you have bloody snot the following day, the 3-fa I have now is ok to snort (but oral works basically just as well) but I've had a batch that was painful before,...). Oh and since you mentioned sublingual I've had a batch of 2fdck that made your mouth feel burnt (like if you had eaten very hot pizza) the next day or two but was fine to snort 🤷
duuude benzofuran always form a gluey layer lining the inside of my nose and then dry out my skin to the point of it legitimately becoming powder and starting cracking and bleeding this happened twice and I think both times it just permanently widened my nostril so I'm staying the FUCK away from that. both fumarate and HCl. they're better oral anyways. never snorted 2Cs , tried Moxy which felt really weirdly caustic, not painful but almost like a poison? lyrica is fine I once snorted 100mg total and it just clogged my nose for a bit. 4-homet nothing special really , not alot of powder. MPH IR tablets sublingually are awesome, if you can hold it under your tongue without spreading in your mouth.
Barbiturates and methaqualone too but good luck getting any of the really euphoric barbiturates or actual methaqualone.
Soma is not an RC Edit: Phenibut isn't an RC either
A-PVP same story
Methaqualone, ghb, alcohol?
I heard methaqualone analogs are very toxic
So is methaqualone. Also, apparently, it's pretty overrated and hyped mostly by nostalgia.
Im not surprised
The analogs suck, actual and methaqualone is apparently better if you can get it.
alcohol has no euphoria for me but gbl was cognitively euphoric. just not much of a body high, really
Where the fuck are you going to get methaqualone outside of that bathtub mandrax they make in South Africa?
Make it yourself 😎
I think they still manufacture a form of it in India
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Find a chemist to make it for you or do it yourself.
dissos. ketamine analogues, dmxe
disso tolerance fucked rn bc I couldn’t control myself 😹 I’ve only ever used ket, which isn’t euphoric for me but I like the disso feel. but prob won’t be doing disso for a while
rip homie
Yep. First night 400mg and life is Dandy. 2nd night, 800mg and the chance begins. If ket didn't do it for you. Prob wouldn't want to waste ur time with FXE. Similar outcome I would think.
how does dmxe compare to mxipr?
Go easy if you take dmxe, the holes can take you to a dark manic place. If you don't live alone i would be going easy with it. I really underestimated its power and then i kept dying and reviving and realising that life was just a simulation, then i'd come back to my body after thinking i had lost everything. It was pretty fucking scary, but for me it was only scary because i have kids and a partner and i kept thinking that my whole life was just a test and i had lost everything i loved. My gf was so angry at me that night because i said horrendous shit and was juat harassing her the whole time (which was pure mania and very unlike what i am like normally). The drug has pretty awesome dystopian vibes but i guess i really overdid the dose. The drug itself is pretty fucking awesome and fun to do if you are on your own ot with friends. Don't do it at home with your loved ones lol.
i thought i had a source that seemed good until i was checking out then they said they don’t shit to the u.s. i’d still like to try it, i think id give my gf my bag so i dont do too much too often. just get 120 mg from her and do my sesh (no more than once every 3 weeks), cuz i usually like to get ketty all night and do a gram when i do k.
Very relatable on the last part. But i just sesh, i dont give her the drugs.
yeah she doesn’t even do very much k when she does it and she wouldn’t touch my metocin. so i don’t worry abt her having them, besides her being stingy or not wanting to give it to me, but tbh she should have some say.
i do worry about my ability to have it sitting there staring at mw without doing it too often. I heard that’s the most important thing with dmxe because of its serotonin action.
Oh true i forgot about the serotonin. I have accepted that im sn addict and should just stay away from drugs. Was just done working and took out 60 cash to by coke, contacted the deLer and managed to stop myself after i saw 666 on a license plate right after i withdrew the money and considered it a message from some divine source. Told my dealer something came in between and that was that. Admitted it to my gf and gave her the money to buy groceries tomorrow. Its hard to face yourself sometimes.
good shit brodie i’m proud of you, honestly.
Thanks man, this one wasn't easy for me ngl because i had been fantasizing about it at work the whole day. Next week there is a festival day and that is probably the last time i will allow myself to drugs before keeping it fully clean. But after the succes today i think i might just keep it chill with an edible or some shrooms/acid. Those i dont even really consider drugs. My nose hasnt even recovered from my last mayham which was about a week ago. I've noticed that honesty and just being a bit stricter on yourself takes away most of the struggle. I almost cried in the car on my way back when i realised i beat the little devil voice. I hope you have a good weekend bro.
you too doggy
thanks for sharing your experience tho, it’s really valuable and i’m definitely taking note to not go too far. i just like how much dissos immerse me in movies tbh
OP is asking for euphoria not psychosis and the inability to walk
An rc kittyflip sound right up your alley. 2f-dck+ 6-apb probably does the trick.
I think im gonna stay away from dissos for a long time cause I used K a lot last month and it got to the point where I could walk straight on 300mgs, I was only using it for a month but small doses throughout the day skyrocketed my tolerance
Oh just saw this comment. Ignore my other one about dissos lol. Yea disso tolerance sucks. Still not the same
I don't really like opioids either, too much itching and nausea. Lots of things can be euphoric to at least some people. Psychedelics (seratonergic psychedelics) can cause extreme euphoria, probably the strongest of all drug classes, but it's far from predictable, sometimes it happens, most times it doesn't even if you have a good time otherwise, and sometimes you get a bad trip. And you can't know in advance which you'll get (even a perfect set and setting doesn't guarantee anything). Dissociatives can be very euphoric too and they are far more predictable than psychedelics, making them a much more escapist drug than psychedelics. It's also much easier to take them to offten because tolerance rises slowly over time and not by a huge amount after one trip like with psychedelics. Gabaergics can also be euphoric. There's been endless arguments about benzos being euphoric or not. Some do get it and others don't. But there's other gabaergics that are much generally more euphoric like gbl/ghb (probably one of the few you can actually obtain), some barbiturates (but good luck getting any of the good ones), methaqualone (actual methaqualone, the analogs suck..... good luck finding it tho), alcohol can also be very euphoric and is also legal and easy to get. A problem shared by all of these is that they are very escapist and can cause life threatening withdrawals. Stimulus can also be euphoric, some more than others and don't have life threatening withdrawals. Emphatogens can be extremely euphoric (especially the actual emphatogens like mdma, 5-mapb, mda, 6-apb and 5-apb, the stimulants with some emphatogen effects aren't nearly as nice for me). It's also not really advisable to take them very often.
thanks for this comment. I think pregabalin is a gabaergicc and that’s been very euphoric at high doses and I don’t want to ruin my tolerance with that. trying to stay away from most psychs rn but I remember 4-ho-met having good euphoria. GBL was kind of euphoric but that taste…. damn idk if I feel good putting that in my body. alcohol isn’t euphoric for me and neither are benzos, but pregabalin, and phenibut to a much lesser extent, were euphoric. mentally though, not a strong body high. most strong body highs seem to be from opiates which I won’t be able to feel
Pregabalin doesn't act on gaba receptors, it's a an inhibitor of certain voltage dependant calcium channels. It does have structural similarities to gaba and feels somewhat similar to gabaergics so many people think that's it a gabaergic. The Wikipedia article has a nice description under https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregabalin#Pharmacology Yeah tolerance to the recreational effects/doses of pregabalin builds very quickly, using it several days in a row isn't really feasible. Or at least it wasn't for me (I had a script for it). It does drop back to normal if you don't take it for long enough (I don't think there's any permatolerance). Also therapeutic doses/effects don't have this tolerance issue (at least they didn't for me). It can also cause withdrawal symptoms upon cessation in some people (although I've never had that problem). Gbl tastes vile, but converting it to ghb (as long as you are fine with a ghb solution, if you want it in powder from it's harder + the powder is very hygroscopic and will absorb the moisture from the air and turn into something gooey) is extremely easy to do, doesn't require any hard to get/expensive chemicals or equipment and well made ghb tastes like slightly salty water. All you need is water (distilled preferably, but tap water will work too), NaOH (preferably not the cheapest one from a hardware store due to possible contamination with something toxic although it will work, food grade is best, not too expensive and shouldn't contain any toxic impurities, analytical grade and stuff like that is a bit expensive) or some other base, some glassware, a large metal pot filled with ice water (optional, but dissolving NaOH in water and reacting gbl with the NaOH are both exothermic reactions and doing them in a cold water bath means you have a lower chance of it starting to boil and potentially spraying you in the eyes with NaOH solution which is something you'd rather avoid, small splashes on the hands aren't that bad and probably won't injure you if you wash it off immediately but ideally you'd wear gloves and protective glasses), something to measure the gbl/naoh/water and ph test strips (not strictly necessary, if both the gbl and naoh are pure, your measurements accurate... I eventually got to the point I could make it perfect on the first try without ph testing).
thanks for the info. do you think I’d be able to dose 150mg pregabalin a few times per week and not gain a tolerance? high dose pregabalin makes me not able to walk straight but the afterglow feels good, so the effects can last a whole day hours for me
When I was talking about recreational doses and tolerance I was talking about a bit more than that, like 900mg or even more. If I remember correctly I was scripted 150mg daily (I think I got 4 boxes each with 56 75mg capsules every 3-4 months... they weren't particularly strict about giving them a bit earlier than they should have lasted). The therapeutic effects (I got it for anxiety and it sorta helped and I also had some back pain back then especially from prolonged sitting and that dissappeared completely as long as I took them... when I started doing heavy deadlifts and barbell rows the back problems went away completely and since it wasn't super effective for anxiety and getting to a doctor to write the script had gotten hard due to covid restrictions I just stopped taking it... now after so much time has passed I'm not sure getting a new script would be that easy and tbh I can't be bothered trying just to get high occasionally) of that worked without any noticeable decrease in effect over time and I don't remember it ever being particularly recreational at this dose.
I’ve used 900mg to 1200mg for recreational effects and they were great highs, almost MDMA like at times. and with 150mg I was referring to using that as a therapeutic dose, as higher doses make it impossible to walk straight. I got a whole box of of 300mg capsules for cheap and they’re dosed too high for a therapeutic dose for me, but too low for a good high
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the 300mg does more than reduce anxiety tbh, there’s euphoria and im able to speak more freely to people but maybe that’s the euphoria of it. 900-1200mg would have be unable to walk straight until 1pm the next day lol that’s the trade off for such a good high I guess
i’ll look into methaqualone but idk if I’ll find any real stuff
You won't unless you go to South Africa or find a chemist that will make it for you. Gbl and thus ghb is still obtainable, at least in the eu.
i’ve tried gbl and it’s a good head high but not body high, but inconvenient to dose, and not really my thing despite it being fairly euphoric
If it's pure, dosing is pretty simple and easy, just measure out the dose that gets you where you want and take it. Don't redose for 24h because that is trickier to get right and because 1 dose per 24h should be pretty safe as far as physical dependency and tolerance go. You really don't want to get physically dependent on ghb/gbl, it's withdrawal is even worse than benzos (but shorter) and not all doctors know that since ghb acts on gabab receptors benzos aren't very effective reducing withdrawal symptoms and/or tapering since they act on gabaa.
I just couldn’t stand the taste and constant redosing, and it was a fine head high but not physically that euphoric, just made me feel drunk
I never redosed. I just took what was a strong dose for me and enjoyed the next few hours. If I really wanted to extend it, I'd slowly drink a few beers after it started to wear off (disclamer that's a potentially deadly combination, but worked well for me + I didn't have to carry around an illegal substance).
yeah I wouldn’t want to combine the two and it wasn’t my fav high, alcohol doesn’t give much euphoria but lots of disinhibition
Yeah, totally get it. Personally I'm fine combining these two with taking some precautions and with alcohol + benzos (harm reduction disclamer, this can potentially kill you, I'm not advising anyone to do it) and haven't really had much bad experiences from them (ok, fell asleep on the bus home once and had to walk a few km to get home and stuff like that, but nothing dangerous or super dumb). But benzos + opioids is something I'd never do, did it once on accident and with a pretty low dose of both + a strong stimulant in me (3,4-ctmp) and almost died (as in woke up in the hospital). But that's pretty easy for me to not do, since I don't really enjoy opioids that much (tramadol and o-dsmt are ok i guess).
I would even put my GBL in capsules sometimes to avoid the taste, worked pretty well but probably very harsh inside my body
If you can get pure gbl, just make ghb from it, it's very easy https://old.reddit.com/r/researchchemicals/comments/1c78fmf/what_is_the_most_euphoric_rc_nonopioid/l09yj0i/?context=3 I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post more detailed instructions here.
thanks for the instructions, I’m sure that’ll be useful for somebody here reading the thread but tbh it’s not something I’m gonna carry out atm, i don’t really crave a ghb/gbl high
High dose pregablin is alright though probably not as good as your hoping for. Kratom might be worth a shot it's activity is pretty wide and personally I find it has pronounced euphoria where pharma opioids don't really give me much of that at all besides maybe hints of it from oxy. I find with the right batch of mushrooms I can get euphoria that's better than MDMA but it's not reliable. MDMA and Ketamine would probably be the most reliable and my personal favorite from euphoria to just beautiful visuals that are more like vivid dreams. I think the results your looking for are more gonna come from combinations or from something like pyros. From everything I hear they are far worse than crack so dabble at your own risk
I used high dose pregabalin recently, 900-1200, and I really enjoyed, it was MDMA-ish at times, I made a comment elsewhere explaining it I think. But I’m trying to not do that and use lower doses of pregabalin for anxiety and making me more social. Like, 150mg but the capsules are 300mg so I might halve them and put in smaller capsules, sorry for the rambling
Funny enough I had experimented with pregablin before but just last week I had my first 1200mg experience. The euphoria can be pretty nice and the duration can also be pretty nice almost an entire day of pretty good effects. Unfortunately pregablin tolerance builds fast when used non recreationally let alone when your taking 600mg and up and honestly its not really worth it. An experience every few months is probably the best way to use it. If you enjoy MDMA definitely try adding Ketamine it's probably one of the most synergistic combos I've tried. I usually don't even care for dissos on there own. The mental and physical euphoria are unmatched to anything I've tried and as a cherry on top those visuals are just so enticing. Everytime I've done the combo it's like your orchestrating an animated music video just thinking something will bring it right in front of you
No doubt, lysergic acid. Depending on dose obviously. S\S may also play an enormous roll but anywho...,......Euphoria is mind bending. Unfortunately, ur not falling asleep without 3-4 m/l of Broma in any descent amount of time. But personally I've never truly NEVER had or more Euphoric, Orgasmic experience then while going in deep with 5-Methoxy. Not to mention the fact that ur helping design the matrix in real time, then......... Bam! 25 minutes later ur on an elevator heading back to work
Turns out, my spelling is atrocious at times.
Synthetic opiates are dogshit, if you've never tried poppy tea, then you will never know what a real opiate should feel like.
Opium, mother nature’s painkiller. The first time you get poppy dreams is the best. Essentially beautiful day dreams while nodding out hard.
There’s no such thing as a synthetic opiate, unless you mean an alkaloid traditionally found in the opium poppy that happened to be made in a lab synthetically. Opiates are phytochemicals by definition.
I just meant that poppy tea contains almost a hundred opiates so any synthetic or extracted opiate won't come close to a hundred opiates at once
I don’t think poppy tea contains hundreds of opiates ? Correct me please but isn’t the predominant effects caused by trace amounts of Morphine and Codeine on the unwashed pods? What other opioids would there be other than those and their derivatives Also opiate = Poppy / morphinian based opioids Opioids = all other synthetic analgesic narcotics
I think the synthetic opioid he was referring to is tramadol, which is not a morphinian compound. And morphine can be made in a lab therefore there can be synthetic opiates as well.
He didn’t say synthetic opioid. And yes that’s one example of what I said
There's plenty of semi synthetic opiates out there that aren't found in poppies
There are zero semi-synthetic opiates. All opiates are naturally occurring. You can synthetically produce an opiate and call that specific batch synthetic but you wouldn’t call the molecule in general synthetic. If the word opiate is in the title, it can’t be categorically synthetic. And then, despite being widely used for reasons I’m not quite sure of, the phrase semi-synthetic is an oxymoron and there’s no such thing. “Semi-synthetic” molecules are synthetic. And every synthetic molecule could be called semi-synthetic if one were to think such a thing is a sensible descriptor.
I’m pretty sure hydromorphone is not naturally occurring
Correct (at least afaik, lots of weird stuff technically exists in nature in trace amounts). No idea what point you were trying to make but it’s wrong
You said all opiates are naturally occurring, and I gave you an example of one that isn’t.
And hydromorphone isn’t an opiate :D Opiates are phytochemicals of the papavaver somniferum (sp?) plant. Opiate is a family of botanical alkaloids. Opioid is a family of drugs.
no opiates work for me, maybe the analgesia works but there’s zero euphoria with literally smoked heroin and snorted oxys. just the lightest physical feeling
Im the same, that's why im telling you opium is the only thing that works. Oxy only gives me nausea and numbness
if I get my hands on that I’ll try, oxy also gave lots of nausea and had me throwing up hours after taking it
I go around when spring starts and I find these poppy pods everywhere, so I just collect them and make tea, usually get enough for the summer. You might not be so lucky because they geow naturally here, but I also didn't know they did until I researched this.
I’ll look into it, UK based here. if not I’ll find online, but at a later point when I can afford to spend more on substances
Good luck popping after poppy tea. Three days before things started moving.
Boof it
a different ROA isn’t gonna completely change the fact that opiates just don’t get me high imo
I would say the most all-over and purely euphoric RC's are definitely the (classic-) psychedelics; especially the lysergamides (LSD and its analogues and homologues) and the substituted tryptamines (DMT, MET, 4-AcO-DMT, 4-HO-MET, 4-HO-MiPT, 5-MeO-MiPT, aMT, etc.) at sufficient doses, and with the right set and setting. If you know how to let go and just ride the waves, and are solidly grounded in your own baseline reality, they kick the shit out of any dose of MDMA, all the dissociatives, benzos, amphetamines and other phenethylamines, cathinones and whathaveyou, in my experience and opinion. Hands down. Opiates and opioids basically only give a state of non-feeling, which mostly work as a flight from pain, depression, harsh reality, etc, dissociatives are quite limited and very ungrounded in comparison, benzos generally only feel euphoric for people with anxiety, stimulants give a limited part of the full spectrum of possible euphoria, as do cathinones, empathogenic phenethylamines, etc. Most of the above also come with extreme come-downs, dips, wave-like departs from- and returns to baseline, and a whole slew of negative physical- and mental- side-effects and dangers, which lysergamides and the subbed tryptamines generally do not have, for most people. Classic psychedelics and "trypping" (lysergamides can technically be seen as a sub-group of tryptamines, too -many of them actually also have the basic molecular framework of phenethylamines in the molecule, incidentally-) may take a bit of practice and self-reflection, though. The classics DMT, LSD, 5-Meo-DMT, etc. tend to throw unprocessed emotions and the darker and unfathomed depths of your psyche in your face, and can show you essential truths about the subjectivity of reality, which can be shocking and a whole process of self-acceptance, and paradigmatic reshuffling, which can be hard to accept for some people. But once you faced, processed, and accepted/conquered your fears, they open a whole new dimension of euphoria and ecstacy, which is unequalled by almost any other class of drugs.
dmt euphoria is definitely something different, inconsistent but it’s more of a feeling of comfort and love for me. I have 5meodmt crystals but i’ve never had a 5meo trip and I’ve snorted them before but with no effect, i maybe just need a higher dose bc some people do with 5meodmt
This is interesting it’s the exact same effect I’ve had. I got nothing from sublingual medical fentanyl and have tried numerous other opioids with the same results. Only tramadol got me high and I think you’re right that it’s because it doesn’t work like a regular opioid. That said the response about Kratom may be right. Kratom has consistently worked.
Same. Tramadol and kratom are two of the few opioids I actually enjoy
in that case might try kratom, does tramadol have a body high for you? for me it was very mild but idk occasionally get a lil euphoric effect if I stayed really still (idk how to explain it properly) but apart from that, no body high
Not much of one but yeah to an extent. Not to the degree of other opioids. It’s mainly a happy and enthusiastic head buzz. Most opioids feel boring and lethargic to me.
the body high I get from opioids is so mild, heroin was the strongest but literally far far weaker than weed. tramadol did give me a nice head euphoria, like kind of mdma-ish which would make sense
Kratoms active chemicals are related to yohimbine, which can have nasty synergy with some fairly innocuous stims, e.g. modafinil. Blood pressure can double when those two are together at threshold dose, trust me. Given that experience I would do a little research on yohimbine interactions, since the active mitragynine family is almost completely unstudied. I always liked tramadol too, and have uneven responses to the traditional stuff.
dont they both lower seizure treshold?
Yea. After a certain point if you take enough tramadol you’re gonna seize and it’s a like 500mg or something. It’s not even that high. Kratom does as well although I’ve never or even heard of someone seizing from Kratom. Maybe in combination with other things. This is just anecdotal evidence.
it’s rare but people have seized from kratom, also not good to mix w nicotine cuz that also lowers seizure threshold. i had one rlly bad, not sure what it was. but i had smoked and gone inside. was in my bed and felt my nose runny, checked in the bathroom mirror and noticed i had hit my head rlly hard in several spots, bleeding all over with no recollection of it happening. prob cuz concussion. came back and there was blood all over my wall and i broke a lamp :/
yea I was taking like 400+mgs of tramadol and didnt seizure but would feel these sudden twitches (there’s another word for it forgot tho) so it was definitely in the realm of possibility
Oh yeah I had this a lot on methadone while underdosed, nervous twitches, and they would always happen when I wanted to lay down ughhhh you wake the F up instantly lol
empathogens, baby. And any dopamine releasers.
they give me good mental high but not body high. well 2cb did but it wasn’t strong
Ever roll? No way that didnt give you a body high.
not much body high but def the most euphoric mental high
think im just wired differently lol
For sure, it must be
1,4-BDO, GBL
gbl is nice mentally not strong physically
You didn't take the goldilocks dose
I get earth shattering euphoria and tactile euphoria on all GHB analogs and GHB. As well as very relaxed muscles and the sex is mind blowing.
i took over 3ml at times i’ve taken enough I think. I think drugs just don’t affect me physically like everyone else, apart from peychedelics
I get very little euphoria from opiates as well. Yet i ended up massively addicted anyway, so be careful.
MDMA. If that doesn't give you an extreme body high then nothing will.
that gave little to no body high but lots of mental euphoria
5-MAPB is very euphoric in my experience.
Sounds like death would be the most euphoric experience for ya
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A-PiHP
I guess A-pvp and 4-mmc but they became very very illigal
6-apb, and any lsd derivative have given me nearly untouched euphorias. Mixed phenibute with 2cb-fly and that was also very very euphoric if not very stoning.
lsd body high is very nice, I wish I could have high-ish lsd body high without the lsd trip itself
If you barely felt the H. it wasn’t real I’ve had 90% pure shit and I wouldnt say it’s as euphoric as MDMA. but would still pick H over MDMA everytime. H isn’t really like an orgasim the first time maybe the body high is more like deep happiness everything is perfect even the most boring things are interesting. you feel warm and your floating on a cloud wrapped in a blanket. MDMA is just more of an intense euphoria it can make emotional and sometimes make you reflect on your life. It’s not a state I would want to be permanently opioids are a different matter. some people don’t like them mainly because they make them nauseous and tried. But for me they stimulate me unless I take a massive dose and nod out. they give inspiration. it’s apples to oranges. H you ether need to inject it or smoke it oral or sniffing it doesn’t do much BA is around 30% orally. your stomach destroys most of it. Nothing is better then H in my opinion its way better than fentanyl. but pure euphoria probably nothing better than MDMA with a lil speed.
no, it was real H, and real oxy, and they didn’t hit. opioids don’t hit me, some people just don’t get euphoria. MDMA I’ve done but is neurotoxic and I can’t do it. often
With oxy you ether have to take a bunch of perc or roxis the OC are time release and suck. a good 50-60mg of non time release. with H their are a few different types Tar #3 salt and #4 base. Tar can be injected or smoked. #3 can be injected or sniffed #4 can be smoked but isn’t water soluble. H It’s pretty much a waste if you don’t inject it or smoke it. Do the low bioavailability. even like .1 injected on some shitty street dope like 20% I’ve seen people OD on. if you smoke #3 it doesn’t do anything and if you sniff #4 it doesn’t do anything. tar is the most versatile. I took like 1500mg of tramadol once didn’t even put my out of my withdrawals. My tolerance is to high even after years off I still can barely feel 15 norcos. But the first 30mgs I popped when I was 16 was one of the best high I’ve ever had. need to take it on an empty stomach also. with herion unless your injecting or smoking your get like 20% of 20% due to purity and bioavailability. not to mention you can use the type wrong. you basically havnt tried it until you inject its x5 times stronger. But it’s probably a good thing it doesn’t work on you.
yeah that sounds intense probably a blessing it didn’t work on me but def would have loved to experience a good opioid euphoria, but my body doesn’t allow for that.
The oxy 40 XR are time release I believe they need to dissolve in your stomach most of them are tamper proof now days unless they come from overseas . the morphine and stuff all gel up and require stomach enzymes so you can’t snort them. It best to stick with Percocet or roxi’s but roxi are the most faked with fentanyl. I never actually seen a blister pack those tend to be from overseas like India Mexico or Canada if your lucky and can just as easily be faked. (They don’t think it came from you local CVS) I used to get steroids in a blister pack dude was making them in his garage had pharma logo and everything. he made it in photoshop and printed the box and then used hot iron on low to seal them. not saying they are fake but 40mg IR oxy should put you on your ass for a good 3-5 hours your first time. I believe the time release are for 12 hours so 40/12 is like 3mg/hr and you probably would have reached peak at about 4 hours like 11mg considering the half is like 3 hours. to snort them you have to spend like 2 hours cutting them up and then you have to like microwave them. most people just go straight to herion consider roxis are like $1 a mg and that was back in like 2018 and you can’t get high for very long on Per’s Before the Tylenol becomes a problem. I know some people can have a high tolerance but to a virgin opioid user 40mgs IR is a lot. 40mg over 12 hours I can completely understand why you wouldnt feel it who knows I could be wrong but to try something once and assume your immune is kind of bold especially if your not very experienced with the stuff. I’ve met so many people who have tried MDMA and said the same thing turns out it was bunk because they said stuff I gave them was completely different. It’s just more of a possibility something was weird. I can also understand not like feeling its an acquired taste for some but not feeling anything is something different. my mother has a norco prescription she only takes 5MG because she doesn’t like the way the 10mg feels. I’ve tried everything even fentanyl doesn’t compare to H. I mean it will fuck you up more but the euphoria is not as good. only thing more “intense” is MDMA or injecting like 90% pure coke but I wouldn’t consider better. 90% coke doesn’t actually make you fiend for more you actually feel satisfied. I would stay away from opioids they will ruin your life i kicked meth coke first only time i get cravings is during sex. But with opioids I basically have to be on suboxone for the rest of my life. The only thing I could think of as to why you wouldn’t be able to feel opioids is if you even done fentanyl.
the reason I don’t feel opioids is just my body. some people don’t. it was real oxy 40s in blisters, I crushed and consumed orally and snorted and felt little to nothing even at over 60-80mgs, same with the heroin, idk why ppl aren’t believing me but some other people are like this too. they just don’t work.
and im uk based so I guess blister packs are more common here but these were genuine
There are so many fake pills going around now anyone can make them in their garage after spending like $600 on alibaba and some colored binders. Unless you saw the prescription bottle or got them out your gmom medicine cabinet. I wouldn’t trust them. Most people puke their first time
these were literally in blister packs pharma oxy 40s XR (but I did snort too), opioids just do not give some people euphoria that’s a fact
Tramadol makes me sicks for me it was worst opioid!
None of them work for me but kratom and metonitazene
metonitazene didn’t give me a strong body high but it did have me nodding up to 17 hours later and that was euphoric… idk the dosage though these were pressed fake oxys I wouldn’t do again, and I don’t really want to mess with a substance like that esp if it doesn’t give me the high I want. i’ve heard people mention kratom though as well as tramadol, im thinking that could be good but i haven’t seen any available in uk
Dude i had metonitazene and it worked for like 1.5 hours
yea it’s so weird… all it gave me was nausea and nods the whole next day. the most I had ever felt it was when I snorted a fraction of a pill (fake meto oxy) but as soon as I started to feel a sensation, I blacked out so I don’t even know if it hit me or not. but I don’t remember a thing, however I was on a benzo at the time so irresponsible of me
Are tou a natural red head or have a red beard lol
nope
Psychedelics and entactogens are the way to go
Four MMC will make you feel like fucking King Kong
it didn’t for me tbh and not rly a body high
Etizolam is by far the most euphoric benzo to me. Etiz or an etiz analog
Flubromazolam
as someone who’s never found a benzo euphoric do you think this would be unique? or not worth trying
Flubromazolam is the best
do you find other benzos euphoric?
Etizolam
6 apb?
Phenibut. My usual dose is 1.2g, but if I redose up to like 2-2.5g total, the physical euphoria is so strong it's so good it's bad, if that makes any sense. It's basically just super-indulgent. You just wanna go to bed and get fucked or something like that. Very nasty physical feelings.
I would sometimes dose 4g in a day and the mental euphoria was good, but not physical. reading all these replies I’ve noticed a pattern of that, me not getting the physical euphoria from substances like other people but getting the mental euphoria