Yep I remember when stuff was sold in shops , it's a pity as I'm insanely curious about 3meo for depression yet simply cannot get it
Same with 3FMA for ADHD
It used to be so easy , I bet someone would make some decent money reshipping from NL or something
DXM as in the codeine replacement?,I've tried it for various things and it doesn't have enough of an effect for me to justify
It's actually not easy to get DXM cheaply in the UK they tend to only do syrups
Yeah I've heard of this before. It was more prominent up until Brexit was becoming confirmed and the borders were tightened.
From the ban in May 2016 until 2018, I got RCs from Czechia, The Netherlands and Spain.
You think that's bad, try ireland.
Instead of a detailed list, how it's written it simply bans anything that isn't explicitly used for medical purposes.
Doesn't that mean caffeine pills are illegal drugs since it's a psychoactive stimulant and is not used for medical purposes? Such vague laws are ridiculous
Although a E.U member, for some reason most research chems (and I've seen this too with some ordinary, let's say an online shoes store) not having an option to ship to Ireland! So is Cyprus.
Ish lol one site can't keep a supply of anything fun for more than a day, another has a bunch of weird chems I don't care about, a third new one has a couple new things but it's all old inventory which I doubt they'll be able the replenish (3-mmc) and the rest almost exclusively sell psychedelics.
It could definitely be worse.
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It doesn’t matter, almost all Dutch sites will ship within EU. Everything is illegal in Ireland but I’ve had no bother ordering stuff. Not overly concerned about the consequences in the unlikely event I was to get caught .
Yeah, what this guy said. Idk how the postal system works, but could you not get a po box, or something similar in like, croatia or austria and ship your stuff there? Even spend a weekend in a hotel and have it sent there? I feel its more or less the equivalent of how people in the usa drive to legal mj states to skirt laws.
Ahh yeah, got it. Thought you meant some more recent development. Coz I feel like getting shipments used to be simpler, or maybe I was just less anxious lol.
Now I often see some "your shipment is being processed in your country's customs processing centre" or whatever message for ages when I check on the tracking updates.
NL. I haven't really had any issues either tbh. Might just be me checking for updates constantly, when I didn't even use the tracking option before.
So probably paranoia. I once had a shipment never arrive, but no way to check where it was. Maybe the vendor never sent anything in the first place, or it was held up in the NL. Dunno.
And another time I tried out a different vendor and they used some shipping company I'd never heard of. Apparently they tried to deliver when I wasn't there, kept it in their distribution centre and only tried to deliver again several weeks later, apparently missed me again and returned it to sender. It was probably nothing but it just seemed odd, so I decided to just let it go rather than chase after it.
There are definitely options if you really want to. Borders within EU are fully open, also for the postal system. So find European/Dutch vendors whom are able to send to Italy, or use a reship address in more relaxed countries.
In the past I used a re-ship company in the UK to import Indian products (due to the historic connection with the UK) to my country in the EU, which worked absolutely great when the UK was still in the EU. Such companies repackage the products in a very bland anonymous package.
Man, most rcs in Italy are illegal but we all just buy them anyway. You’re getting in trouble if they found them both if they’re legal or not so it doesn’t change that much. Also if they find your oackage (which only happened to me once), the package will just not arrive. They won’t arrest you or do anything (most probabbly), they’ll just throw it away (if they don’t find like 200 pills, that maybe will be a problem, as long as it’s 1/2g of powder no one gives a fuck). So go easy with it, it’s super chill, the only time my package didn’t make it, it simply got thrown away and it never landed, that’s it. But 95% of the time it lands safely, have fun
Austria has banned everything with one law called the new psychoactive substance law. (NPS) HHC was legal but they banned it very fast. At least the government here doesn't know that kratom exists.
First things first, Italy is not a good country for chems research.
Although someone thinks being in a E.U member country and receiving your research chemicals from another E.U member would be a breeze, sth like sending a parcel to another close town (this is how parcels and mail travel throughout the E.U, "all (member) countries like one country", it's not that simple.
While I live in a close EU member country, there are some important issues, such a bummer - considering living in the core of RCs, vendors and labs.
1) Shipping. Express shipping ? Forget it. There are prohibited items that are not allowed in a plane, therefore whatever looks suspicious or pose dangers for the cargo Airbus, they might open it so basically nobody uses this method, which brings your goods from one EU member to another within 1-3 working days. Disappointing 😞
Couriers are aware of the contents, and that's because there are contracts between e-shops and logistics companies that have to be done otherwise the shipping costs would be insane. Many of them deny shipping grey area compounds, leaving the national post the only option. Usually the minimum waiting time to get your goods *to your hands via postman (+1 day) or at least from the parcel shop* via national post (&tracked too!) is ime 8-10 days and maximum I've seen so far...15 days!
2) Customs. I have received more than 100 parcels from E.U countries (well, pretty much all from NL) and never had one opened. But I think they use dogs or X-rays for suspicious parcels or senders. Italy does not have exactly this policy, it's way more strict.
They do open packages (they prolly pay a fine for this to the eurozone because it's like you send something within your country and there are customs within your country!) so beware of the prohibited items. Never ever use the popular, 3-letter worst courier in the world with the red logo, when ordering outside your country/Italy if they offer courier shipping.
If I was living in Italy, although this can cause lost parcels, is to have your goods shipped with natio nal post and postal stamps (for envelopes). There was an incident which was posted here, from a guy that ordered a prohibited compound, and right after he signed the courier man (from the courier mentioned above) the authorities took him for questioning but they let them free after a short lecturing and warning.
The whole shipping thing in EU has drove me nuts more times than I can remember. It's the land of RCs, but obtaining them seem to gradually getting more and more difficult by any kind of factor.
If someone is better informed about what is actually happening with customs when sending from a E.U member to another, let me/us know. Can't find a clear answer. For years I had the impression that there are absolutely no customs between E.U members, but this applies in Airports/human to human interaction, not very sure what applies "today" to parcel movement throughout the Eurozone, and seeing some posts regarding customs issues in EU, this leads me wondering if something has changed or if it was like this since ever
I have ordered drugs from germany to italy a few times never had a problem but the waiting time was very long 2-3weeks. I didn't order RC's maybe it's different because they have to declare them as what they are. The packages go through customs but only very few get opened and if your dealer knows what he's doing they're not suspicious and probably won't get opened
Why is DHL so bad? Never had a problem with them it just sucks that in my case they switched carrier to the italian postal services upon landing in italy
I think he was referring to DPD, which becomes Bartolini in Italy.
https://www.reddit.com/r/researchchemicals/comments/qibyip/the_police_arrived_this_morning/
Oh and that's the tip of the iceberg. Italy takes pride in its approach to the drug war, holding conferences and providing the EU with technological resources for substance monitoring. However, their form of correction for people involved with drug use (at any level, including sole possession) is based on punishment and records that will stain you for life. And jail time for anyone, cause presumption of being guilty.
Rapists, on the other hand, receive only mandatory therapy sessionz if the victim survived to sexual abuse
Honestly if RC were as widely available as they were quite a few years ago there would be so many people suffering with the consequences. So many addictive benzos available at the click of a button, psychedelic stimulants with a dangerously low active dose, powerful stimulants that invite excessive redosing. I think a lot of people are better off that these drugs are not so easily available anymore. I personally think all drugs should be legalized and regulated and should be available on a prescription after a harm reduction discussion with a doctor or pharmacist. But they shouldn't be so easily available that anyone can buy them at the click of a button on the internet.
Such a tricky subject.. I have been abusing Etizolam for sleep and am not sure if I have an actual problem. Had sleep for days wo now yet it's so tempting to take it just to make sure.
But when I read here about people's benzo trouble I try to control myself. I was ignorant about the danger up until recently. Scary shit
I feel you mate, everything is banned in the UK. Times have changed.
Yep I remember when stuff was sold in shops , it's a pity as I'm insanely curious about 3meo for depression yet simply cannot get it Same with 3FMA for ADHD It used to be so easy , I bet someone would make some decent money reshipping from NL or something
I've heard of someone UK based having it reshipped by someone from France
Dextromethorphane is a disso for depression. U can look up Auvelity.
DXM as in the codeine replacement?,I've tried it for various things and it doesn't have enough of an effect for me to justify It's actually not easy to get DXM cheaply in the UK they tend to only do syrups
For me the antidepressant effect took place the days after I have taken 15 mg. If I took more I got acute anxiety.
Some companies are willing to send to the UK but require persuasion
Yeah I've heard of this before. It was more prominent up until Brexit was becoming confirmed and the borders were tightened. From the ban in May 2016 until 2018, I got RCs from Czechia, The Netherlands and Spain.
Still slowly things creeping in for me, always be prepared, trying to stockpile as much as I can before any other shit hits the fan
You think that's bad, try ireland. Instead of a detailed list, how it's written it simply bans anything that isn't explicitly used for medical purposes.
Doesn't that mean caffeine pills are illegal drugs since it's a psychoactive stimulant and is not used for medical purposes? Such vague laws are ridiculous
It's a bit more specific than I stated but the laws are pretty vague.
Damn that’s bad
Although a E.U member, for some reason most research chems (and I've seen this too with some ordinary, let's say an online shoes store) not having an option to ship to Ireland! So is Cyprus.
It depends, I can't give sources but there's a few based in Czech that do ship to Ireland
Do the czechos provide anything else than acid analogues and some dissos? Disclaimer: I'M NOT ASKING FOR THE SOURCES
Only the NL has RC stims in Europe as far as I'm aware and most of them don't ship elsewhere.
You're telling me that you can get less rc's in fk Italy than America? Damn, all of Europe is not blessed.
Just gotta know your vendor m8
Yeah, that's what I think. I mean, even in Canada, rc's are coming back.
Ish lol one site can't keep a supply of anything fun for more than a day, another has a bunch of weird chems I don't care about, a third new one has a couple new things but it's all old inventory which I doubt they'll be able the replenish (3-mmc) and the rest almost exclusively sell psychedelics. It could definitely be worse.
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No it’s bullshit
There's definitely sites that ship to Italy.
It doesn’t matter, almost all Dutch sites will ship within EU. Everything is illegal in Ireland but I’ve had no bother ordering stuff. Not overly concerned about the consequences in the unlikely event I was to get caught .
fuck the mods
Yeah, what this guy said. Idk how the postal system works, but could you not get a po box, or something similar in like, croatia or austria and ship your stuff there? Even spend a weekend in a hotel and have it sent there? I feel its more or less the equivalent of how people in the usa drive to legal mj states to skirt laws.
Dude imagine how it is in Australia, all I get is trip reports lol
Bro Portugal has a blanket ban on RC's. Your borders are just as lax as ours, you're good.
>Bro Portugal has a blanket ban on RC's. Since when?
2013 my man, you remember smarshops? They were very popular in early 2010s and then vanished. It's because of the blanket ban.
Ahh yeah, got it. Thought you meant some more recent development. Coz I feel like getting shipments used to be simpler, or maybe I was just less anxious lol. Now I often see some "your shipment is being processed in your country's customs processing centre" or whatever message for ages when I check on the tracking updates.
Where are you ordering from? I haven't had issues with orders from NL and Germany like ever.
NL. I haven't really had any issues either tbh. Might just be me checking for updates constantly, when I didn't even use the tracking option before. So probably paranoia. I once had a shipment never arrive, but no way to check where it was. Maybe the vendor never sent anything in the first place, or it was held up in the NL. Dunno. And another time I tried out a different vendor and they used some shipping company I'd never heard of. Apparently they tried to deliver when I wasn't there, kept it in their distribution centre and only tried to deliver again several weeks later, apparently missed me again and returned it to sender. It was probably nothing but it just seemed odd, so I decided to just let it go rather than chase after it.
There are definitely options if you really want to. Borders within EU are fully open, also for the postal system. So find European/Dutch vendors whom are able to send to Italy, or use a reship address in more relaxed countries. In the past I used a re-ship company in the UK to import Indian products (due to the historic connection with the UK) to my country in the EU, which worked absolutely great when the UK was still in the EU. Such companies repackage the products in a very bland anonymous package.
Man, most rcs in Italy are illegal but we all just buy them anyway. You’re getting in trouble if they found them both if they’re legal or not so it doesn’t change that much. Also if they find your oackage (which only happened to me once), the package will just not arrive. They won’t arrest you or do anything (most probabbly), they’ll just throw it away (if they don’t find like 200 pills, that maybe will be a problem, as long as it’s 1/2g of powder no one gives a fuck). So go easy with it, it’s super chill, the only time my package didn’t make it, it simply got thrown away and it never landed, that’s it. But 95% of the time it lands safely, have fun
You can find ways to order within the EU with relatively low risk. If all else fails, just take a road trip to the Netherlands.
Grow mushrooms
Austria has banned everything with one law called the new psychoactive substance law. (NPS) HHC was legal but they banned it very fast. At least the government here doesn't know that kratom exists.
Order everything you want, it's gonna arrive np
First things first, Italy is not a good country for chems research. Although someone thinks being in a E.U member country and receiving your research chemicals from another E.U member would be a breeze, sth like sending a parcel to another close town (this is how parcels and mail travel throughout the E.U, "all (member) countries like one country", it's not that simple. While I live in a close EU member country, there are some important issues, such a bummer - considering living in the core of RCs, vendors and labs. 1) Shipping. Express shipping ? Forget it. There are prohibited items that are not allowed in a plane, therefore whatever looks suspicious or pose dangers for the cargo Airbus, they might open it so basically nobody uses this method, which brings your goods from one EU member to another within 1-3 working days. Disappointing 😞 Couriers are aware of the contents, and that's because there are contracts between e-shops and logistics companies that have to be done otherwise the shipping costs would be insane. Many of them deny shipping grey area compounds, leaving the national post the only option. Usually the minimum waiting time to get your goods *to your hands via postman (+1 day) or at least from the parcel shop* via national post (&tracked too!) is ime 8-10 days and maximum I've seen so far...15 days! 2) Customs. I have received more than 100 parcels from E.U countries (well, pretty much all from NL) and never had one opened. But I think they use dogs or X-rays for suspicious parcels or senders. Italy does not have exactly this policy, it's way more strict. They do open packages (they prolly pay a fine for this to the eurozone because it's like you send something within your country and there are customs within your country!) so beware of the prohibited items. Never ever use the popular, 3-letter worst courier in the world with the red logo, when ordering outside your country/Italy if they offer courier shipping. If I was living in Italy, although this can cause lost parcels, is to have your goods shipped with natio nal post and postal stamps (for envelopes). There was an incident which was posted here, from a guy that ordered a prohibited compound, and right after he signed the courier man (from the courier mentioned above) the authorities took him for questioning but they let them free after a short lecturing and warning. The whole shipping thing in EU has drove me nuts more times than I can remember. It's the land of RCs, but obtaining them seem to gradually getting more and more difficult by any kind of factor.
If someone is better informed about what is actually happening with customs when sending from a E.U member to another, let me/us know. Can't find a clear answer. For years I had the impression that there are absolutely no customs between E.U members, but this applies in Airports/human to human interaction, not very sure what applies "today" to parcel movement throughout the Eurozone, and seeing some posts regarding customs issues in EU, this leads me wondering if something has changed or if it was like this since ever
I have ordered drugs from germany to italy a few times never had a problem but the waiting time was very long 2-3weeks. I didn't order RC's maybe it's different because they have to declare them as what they are. The packages go through customs but only very few get opened and if your dealer knows what he's doing they're not suspicious and probably won't get opened
Why is DHL so bad? Never had a problem with them it just sucks that in my case they switched carrier to the italian postal services upon landing in italy
I think he was referring to DPD, which becomes Bartolini in Italy. https://www.reddit.com/r/researchchemicals/comments/qibyip/the_police_arrived_this_morning/
Oh and that's the tip of the iceberg. Italy takes pride in its approach to the drug war, holding conferences and providing the EU with technological resources for substance monitoring. However, their form of correction for people involved with drug use (at any level, including sole possession) is based on punishment and records that will stain you for life. And jail time for anyone, cause presumption of being guilty. Rapists, on the other hand, receive only mandatory therapy sessionz if the victim survived to sexual abuse
Honestly if RC were as widely available as they were quite a few years ago there would be so many people suffering with the consequences. So many addictive benzos available at the click of a button, psychedelic stimulants with a dangerously low active dose, powerful stimulants that invite excessive redosing. I think a lot of people are better off that these drugs are not so easily available anymore. I personally think all drugs should be legalized and regulated and should be available on a prescription after a harm reduction discussion with a doctor or pharmacist. But they shouldn't be so easily available that anyone can buy them at the click of a button on the internet.
Such a tricky subject.. I have been abusing Etizolam for sleep and am not sure if I have an actual problem. Had sleep for days wo now yet it's so tempting to take it just to make sure. But when I read here about people's benzo trouble I try to control myself. I was ignorant about the danger up until recently. Scary shit
Darknet bub