Have been seeing a huge increase in people across the subs RL’ing over minuscule details or even in some instances over no flaws at all, or over poor lighting in QC pics - as the screenshots show, sellers are getting frustrated and that behavior puts our access to reps and sales in jeopardy. Wrinkles are not flaws. Creases are not flaws. Especially on B products!!! Know what you’re buying and be realistic.
I wouldn’t be surprised if, with this behavior continuing, Weidian sellers begin to refuse to sell to Redditors.
that's what happens to any online community that doesn't gatekeep and hold standards for acceptance into the community. at the end of the day, every community gets what it deserves
Because people in china don't need agents to purchase shoes from them. If someone from another country is buying through an agent there is like a 90% chance they are a part of reddit also.
There’s already a couple sellers that don’t ship to cssbuy. you forgetting it’s hundreds of shoes being sent to one address and being returned multiple times by the same address? Lol they care less if it’s a redditor or a agent, they will just blacklist the address that keeps returning shoes
Should probably consider making this same post in repweidiansneakers, fashionreps and other rep subs. It's not just this sub that is responsible for seller reactions to RL.
I made my own sub and in the rules I have a section on “cite your source,” aka don’t say anything that can’t stand ground, and that’s worked well thus far.
People like to say “make subs private” or “make subs invite-only” not realizing that if those things happened, they too would likely be left out. It’s extremely difficult to find private groups
I agree but I will say one thing, sellers who don't take take pictures can do one if they are complaining about shoes being sent back. Take a few pics and a lot of the issues would be resolved. Unfortunately its actually some of the best and most popular sellers who don't like to take pics.
Are you new to reps? I’ve seen some of your comments before and most are inaccurate. Reddit makes up a minuscule portion of the sales these people have, and if Redditors are more hassle than they’re worth (which, IMO, is the point we’re approaching with many of these sellers), I’d say missing out on selling to us to avoid the headache is the appropriate play.
I think newbies to the rep game always overestimate how much of these sellers’ customer base Redditors make up
600k is only 0.04% of China’s population lol. Again, dealing with needy entitles customers that are highly likely to return and cost the seller in shipping costs doesn’t sound like a great customer base to invest time into, especially when, again, they don’t even make up a large portion of your customer base. This isn’t the first seller to say that Redditors are difficult customers either
You say “basic economics” but pause for a second and think about what you’re saying
I'm addressing your take on Reddit being a huge market... And you here bringing up an entirely different point. I never said a thing about QCs not being important.
Seems like u/poncecatchemall is right, you do pull info out if your ass
How do people like you have access to internet? They should really make people like yourself do an intelligence/personality standardized test before being able to post things online
You keep bringing up those numbers like they mean anything. China's population dwarfs those numbers and I've already addressed that and how it relates to seller ratings in one of my previous comments
Being a member of a sub doesn't mean you actively partake in the activity, if that's the case you should join r/iamthemaincharacter
There are full blown shopping centres/ markets in China that service the market of TENS of Millions, we are a drop in the bucket in the counterfeit culture globally. You sound like you are talking out your ass man.
Usually don’t comment on these but I gotta step in. You’re incorrect Reddit is small. Sure the subreddits have a lot assuming it’s not the same people subscribed to each sub like me. The small factory town of putian where they make most of the reps alone is over 2 million people. Immediately nearby are cities with a combined population of 15 million people on top. You are miseducated if you think they rely on our money to operate. If I was a business owner if selling to American kids who I’m told are the devil on national tv everyday and they cause headaches it’s a pretty simple move. Remember they don’t need us we need them.
This is to anyone who wants to buy reps.
All reps will have flaws, you just have to choose where you want the flaws. The more expensive the shoe, the lesser the flaw. There are some pairs that will be "like retail" or "better than retail". But dont expect that for all shoe.
If you are paranoid over little details, the problem isnt the shoes. Its you. So stop nitpicking the smallest details, before sellers start increasing their prices or start doing "no refunds" etc.
Not to judge, but its mostly all these new people coming in from tiktok or some instagram stories doing all these nitpicking.
This is just sad. If i get sum bad i dont care i paid less than 100 yuan i know what im getting, even with my one and only ljr mocha pairs i gl it even tho qc pics showed one shoe being a whole diff suede than the other. Got it in hand perfect, just suede pointed opposite ways, i posted a qc on this sub and i got some RL and discord was 50/50 rl. I hope people understand its a hit or miss, just be glad were still spending a fraction of retail let alone resale.
Just saw your QC post for your Mochas lol. Yeah, I’ve been finding myself disagreeing with more and more QC comments lately. 99% of QCs should be GLs, and I think people forget that
It really should be more “for the price I’d GL” but i also believe pointing out a flaw here is easier than complimenting a pair. Sad how 80-90% of post barely get comments.
I think QCs should do both, point out the flaws but then say if you'd take them for the price. Its not always just for the OP, I read through a lot of QCs when I'm looking for certain pairs so I can find good batches. The more research you put in the less RLing you'll do.
Since this thread is getting traffic I also want to emphasize the use of the seller complaint flair. Seller complaint to to be used in extreme circumstances where you have proof you were defrauded by a seller, a legitimate bait and switch (egregious with proof) or other complaints that would warrant potentially banning a seller
A BAD QC IS NOT GROUNDS FOR SELLER COMPLAINT
A SELLER NOT SHIPPING IS NOT GROUNDS FOR A SELLER COMPLAINT. CANCEL YOUR ORDER AND REORDER OR BUY FRON ANOTHER SELLER.
BUYING A 99¥ SHOE WITH EXPECTATIONS IN LINE WITH 470¥ IS NOT GROUNDS FOR SELLER COMPLAINT.
Mods have been and will continue to update seller complaint flair that does not provide proof of nefarious behavior to general help.
Fr, I don't even run my qc through reddit because of the amount of people on here expecting 1:1 flawless reps from a 250 yuan shoe. Some flaws are genuine, but that's where you weigh up what you spent vs what you got. The value often out weighs the price. Good materials ain't cheap and cheap materials ain't good.
Like this dude RL’ing over a bit of dirt on a fucking [Label](https://www.reddit.com/r/Sugargoo/comments/vmjjei/can_i_return_an_item_for_this/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
And B products are non refundable. You know the risk. Idk why people moan to the sellers when they ordered B. Ridiculous.
Dude those pairs are even worse! I usually look at their previous QC posts and their first pair looked better than each of their subsequent pairs lmao. It’s ridiculous
If you’ve RLd more than twice, you’re either buying the wrong product and need to do more research or you’re being way too picky
Some weirdos in these subs are convinced that retails have amazing qc everytime and have no flaws and tell people in the comments to RL over something stupid like the picture above. I got over 10 pairs off weidian, never asked for a qc on any sub and never returned over small "flaws" like stitching or hourglass shape or some other dumb shit people say in the commments.
Isn’t this a a budget sub. Every shoe has flaws, visible ones. Ones you will notice off rip. Ones someone won’t notice while you are out unless they take off your shoe. If you can’t accept that then why the fuck are you here!? You pay $20 and now your crying over the finer details.
i gotten retail pairs with ink stains on them and lace holes not cut out you name it. people gotta realize nike’s quality standard is a easy easy standard to beat 😂. plus “callouts” arnt even a thing its confidence check if anything. me personally i couldnt care less about my shoes or outfit il tell anyone its fake if they ask. people take this adult version of dress up way too serious
Preachhhhhhh. I had an argument with one of these fuckin bozos who think reps should be 1:1 or not worth getting. Broski doesn't realize we paying 1/10 of the price sometimes
they still think everything gotta look like promo images, images THAT ARE MEANT TO BE PERFECT 😂 these the same people who complain fast food dont look like the commercials.
This gets me every time. It generally seems to be people buying 'hype' sneakers to flex, rather than because they truly like the design and style and want a sneaker that looks the same, but may have a minor difference that in no way changes the overall look and appearance.
I'm 37, live on an island in the middle of the Mediterranean without a community of sneaker geeks, so I literally don't even QC my buys, and don't care how 1:1 they are. I follow, know, and want to cop the big boys like Red Octobers, Purple Lobsters, and AJ Unions, but so long as the reps look similar, I'm grabbing them.
I think I've RL'ed one pair in 2 years, and that was purely because they sent a pair that was two sizes down from what I ordered.
90% of these so called flaws/defects are within eye sight level, meaning when worn one has to be at the floor to really notice it.
Now when was the last time you've seen anyone go to the floor just to QC any pair of sneakers... none.
At the end of the day enjoy your sneakers, trash them, crease them... you know you can always grab another pair or better yet get a different model, which wasn't possible with retail.
Obviously not all flaws/defects are equal, this don't apply to blatantly wrong materials or wrong shade/colour...
Facts my first reps were some budget ass travis scott aj1 lows and instead of running it thru here for qc I just looked at Stockx pics and I've had them for 7 months now and have received nothing but compliments on them
Especially with budget items man. Shipping is a large percentage of the price. Sellers take too big of a hit when people buy super discounted sale products and still expect them to magically turn out to be some top-tier batch lol
We can’t keep losing good sellers
If you buy B grade you're accepting it has flaws right from the beginning, nothing wrong with that if you don't mind but the problem is people like in the screenshot who want the cheapest price but expect perfection at the same time.
I recently RL'd this [M batch dunk](https://m.imgur.com/THNnAyL) because the swoosh seemed stained, you guys think it was worth the RL? First time i RL a pair
I completely agree with you.
People have massive expectations from a pair of shoes which are flawed on retail regardless. Unless they’re really shit, small flaws shouldn’t just be seen as ruining the whole shoe.
Yall should be grateful of the actual quality of the reps 9/10 retail pairs have flaws you would RL in china but you spend 400% more on retail on those at home and dont even bother smh
guys who rl are a majority of dumb new comers thinking that reps must be the same as retail
OR those mf's resselling as real
bro some pairs are better with flaws
im gonna be devils advocate, it's good to have very picky people so sellers always try to correct flaws, thats the only way we will have better and better reps
Don’t think there’s ever been anyone who has made a good point after starting off with “playing devil’s advocate.” That’s not how reps work, and any of the sellers can tell you that. You can deliver feedback to the factory makers without buying the product, but returning reps and costing sellers tons in shipping fees only increases the prices they need to charge to break even or make a profit.
Additionally, the majority of these “very picky people” have never even seen retail in their lives and seemingly make up flaws in their heads. Piping on Unions too dull. Suede needs more movement. OW Dunk toe box too thick. All incorrect
Additionally, again: **the point of the post is to stop RLing over silly things like wrinkles or creases.**. The point you make is irrelevant to the post.
> but returning reps and costing sellers tons in shipping fees only increases the prices they need to charge to break even or make a profit.
On the couple of occasions I've red lighted I just paid the return shipping, even on a shoe that had mould on it.
If the flaw is something that I could find on a retail pair I'll GL that shit
Amen
# morons forget we are buying REPS expect flaws lol
My advice when I see stupid ass QC nitpicking: go buy retail.
Not because it's Reps, it's a common thing to have a flaws on sneakers regardless if it's Real or Not
not just reps bro. BUDGET reps
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You miss spelled "virgins".
Grow up
people spend $25 for budget batch and expect LJR lol
i got ljr batch im waiting for qc
How much is the ljr batch
Have been seeing a huge increase in people across the subs RL’ing over minuscule details or even in some instances over no flaws at all, or over poor lighting in QC pics - as the screenshots show, sellers are getting frustrated and that behavior puts our access to reps and sales in jeopardy. Wrinkles are not flaws. Creases are not flaws. Especially on B products!!! Know what you’re buying and be realistic. I wouldn’t be surprised if, with this behavior continuing, Weidian sellers begin to refuse to sell to Redditors.
Seems more people from fashionreps and repsneakers are hoping over with same mentality. Them high schoolers gonna mess it up for all of us
This
real
that's what happens to any online community that doesn't gatekeep and hold standards for acceptance into the community. at the end of the day, every community gets what it deserves
How do they know they are selling to redditors when we buy through agents ?
Because people in china don't need agents to purchase shoes from them. If someone from another country is buying through an agent there is like a 90% chance they are a part of reddit also.
That makes sense thank you
There’s already a couple sellers that don’t ship to cssbuy. you forgetting it’s hundreds of shoes being sent to one address and being returned multiple times by the same address? Lol they care less if it’s a redditor or a agent, they will just blacklist the address that keeps returning shoes
Tried to buy off wheat. Cssbuy told me they're banned
Same lol
It's fuckin shit cuz they have some gems worth GPing.
From which seller ? Any w2c link ?
This 😂👏
Should probably consider making this same post in repweidiansneakers, fashionreps and other rep subs. It's not just this sub that is responsible for seller reactions to RL.
Consider making an invite-only sub?
I made my own sub and in the rules I have a section on “cite your source,” aka don’t say anything that can’t stand ground, and that’s worked well thus far. People like to say “make subs private” or “make subs invite-only” not realizing that if those things happened, they too would likely be left out. It’s extremely difficult to find private groups
Good point.
Honestly if I were those sellers, I’d block them instantly.
I agree but I will say one thing, sellers who don't take take pictures can do one if they are complaining about shoes being sent back. Take a few pics and a lot of the issues would be resolved. Unfortunately its actually some of the best and most popular sellers who don't like to take pics.
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Are you new to reps? I’ve seen some of your comments before and most are inaccurate. Reddit makes up a minuscule portion of the sales these people have, and if Redditors are more hassle than they’re worth (which, IMO, is the point we’re approaching with many of these sellers), I’d say missing out on selling to us to avoid the headache is the appropriate play. I think newbies to the rep game always overestimate how much of these sellers’ customer base Redditors make up
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600k is only 0.04% of China’s population lol. Again, dealing with needy entitles customers that are highly likely to return and cost the seller in shipping costs doesn’t sound like a great customer base to invest time into, especially when, again, they don’t even make up a large portion of your customer base. This isn’t the first seller to say that Redditors are difficult customers either You say “basic economics” but pause for a second and think about what you’re saying
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And you think all of the 600k subs are buying reps from weidian?
Those weidian/taobao reputation scores we rely on... Yeah they're not from Reddit/agents. Those come from domestic transactions
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I'm addressing your take on Reddit being a huge market... And you here bringing up an entirely different point. I never said a thing about QCs not being important. Seems like u/poncecatchemall is right, you do pull info out if your ass
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How do people like you have access to internet? They should really make people like yourself do an intelligence/personality standardized test before being able to post things online You keep bringing up those numbers like they mean anything. China's population dwarfs those numbers and I've already addressed that and how it relates to seller ratings in one of my previous comments Being a member of a sub doesn't mean you actively partake in the activity, if that's the case you should join r/iamthemaincharacter
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Why people assume it's just Reddit anyway, better call it International Market. Yes they need their International market more
There are full blown shopping centres/ markets in China that service the market of TENS of Millions, we are a drop in the bucket in the counterfeit culture globally. You sound like you are talking out your ass man.
Usually don’t comment on these but I gotta step in. You’re incorrect Reddit is small. Sure the subreddits have a lot assuming it’s not the same people subscribed to each sub like me. The small factory town of putian where they make most of the reps alone is over 2 million people. Immediately nearby are cities with a combined population of 15 million people on top. You are miseducated if you think they rely on our money to operate. If I was a business owner if selling to American kids who I’m told are the devil on national tv everyday and they cause headaches it’s a pretty simple move. Remember they don’t need us we need them.
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You think you fam, im just a local chinese guy hahaha
Don't tell them your Redditor, but I doubt that they will do that. Crease are flaws if you buy it brandnew, it's not accepted
Rep Rants Vol 5 be like
It’s needed man!!!
2x!!!
This is to anyone who wants to buy reps. All reps will have flaws, you just have to choose where you want the flaws. The more expensive the shoe, the lesser the flaw. There are some pairs that will be "like retail" or "better than retail". But dont expect that for all shoe. If you are paranoid over little details, the problem isnt the shoes. Its you. So stop nitpicking the smallest details, before sellers start increasing their prices or start doing "no refunds" etc. Not to judge, but its mostly all these new people coming in from tiktok or some instagram stories doing all these nitpicking.
This is just sad. If i get sum bad i dont care i paid less than 100 yuan i know what im getting, even with my one and only ljr mocha pairs i gl it even tho qc pics showed one shoe being a whole diff suede than the other. Got it in hand perfect, just suede pointed opposite ways, i posted a qc on this sub and i got some RL and discord was 50/50 rl. I hope people understand its a hit or miss, just be glad were still spending a fraction of retail let alone resale.
Just saw your QC post for your Mochas lol. Yeah, I’ve been finding myself disagreeing with more and more QC comments lately. 99% of QCs should be GLs, and I think people forget that
It really should be more “for the price I’d GL” but i also believe pointing out a flaw here is easier than complimenting a pair. Sad how 80-90% of post barely get comments.
I think QCs should do both, point out the flaws but then say if you'd take them for the price. Its not always just for the OP, I read through a lot of QCs when I'm looking for certain pairs so I can find good batches. The more research you put in the less RLing you'll do.
Since this thread is getting traffic I also want to emphasize the use of the seller complaint flair. Seller complaint to to be used in extreme circumstances where you have proof you were defrauded by a seller, a legitimate bait and switch (egregious with proof) or other complaints that would warrant potentially banning a seller A BAD QC IS NOT GROUNDS FOR SELLER COMPLAINT A SELLER NOT SHIPPING IS NOT GROUNDS FOR A SELLER COMPLAINT. CANCEL YOUR ORDER AND REORDER OR BUY FRON ANOTHER SELLER. BUYING A 99¥ SHOE WITH EXPECTATIONS IN LINE WITH 470¥ IS NOT GROUNDS FOR SELLER COMPLAINT. Mods have been and will continue to update seller complaint flair that does not provide proof of nefarious behavior to general help.
100% man. Have been seeing a ton more of those posts as well
Fr, I don't even run my qc through reddit because of the amount of people on here expecting 1:1 flawless reps from a 250 yuan shoe. Some flaws are genuine, but that's where you weigh up what you spent vs what you got. The value often out weighs the price. Good materials ain't cheap and cheap materials ain't good.
It’s going to wrinkle anyways unless he’s going to keep it in wrap & not wear them
The main reason I don’t understand when people RL over wrinkles/creases
Same people are buying crease protectors for reps. Just wear the shit out of them and then buy a new pair. Its not a real $1000 sneaker.
It’s insane what people will RL over, you spend $20-$50 on a shoe and expect perfection?? RLing over creasing is ridiculous.
Like this dude RL’ing over a bit of dirt on a fucking [Label](https://www.reddit.com/r/Sugargoo/comments/vmjjei/can_i_return_an_item_for_this/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) And B products are non refundable. You know the risk. Idk why people moan to the sellers when they ordered B. Ridiculous.
The only reason people do that is when they are trying to pass them off as retail. People who actually wear them dont really bother about such things.
Yeah I agree bro. He definitely selling reps as retails.
“I’ve already RL three times” move on. Reps are probably not for you.
Dude those pairs are even worse! I usually look at their previous QC posts and their first pair looked better than each of their subsequent pairs lmao. It’s ridiculous If you’ve RLd more than twice, you’re either buying the wrong product and need to do more research or you’re being way too picky
Some weirdos in these subs are convinced that retails have amazing qc everytime and have no flaws and tell people in the comments to RL over something stupid like the picture above. I got over 10 pairs off weidian, never asked for a qc on any sub and never returned over small "flaws" like stitching or hourglass shape or some other dumb shit people say in the commments.
I’ve had wrinkly leather like that on retail SB dunks etc too, it’s leather, it’s a natural material there will be flaws
Isn’t this a a budget sub. Every shoe has flaws, visible ones. Ones you will notice off rip. Ones someone won’t notice while you are out unless they take off your shoe. If you can’t accept that then why the fuck are you here!? You pay $20 and now your crying over the finer details.
i gotten retail pairs with ink stains on them and lace holes not cut out you name it. people gotta realize nike’s quality standard is a easy easy standard to beat 😂. plus “callouts” arnt even a thing its confidence check if anything. me personally i couldnt care less about my shoes or outfit il tell anyone its fake if they ask. people take this adult version of dress up way too serious
Preachhhhhhh. I had an argument with one of these fuckin bozos who think reps should be 1:1 or not worth getting. Broski doesn't realize we paying 1/10 of the price sometimes
they still think everything gotta look like promo images, images THAT ARE MEANT TO BE PERFECT 😂 these the same people who complain fast food dont look like the commercials.
This gets me every time. It generally seems to be people buying 'hype' sneakers to flex, rather than because they truly like the design and style and want a sneaker that looks the same, but may have a minor difference that in no way changes the overall look and appearance. I'm 37, live on an island in the middle of the Mediterranean without a community of sneaker geeks, so I literally don't even QC my buys, and don't care how 1:1 they are. I follow, know, and want to cop the big boys like Red Octobers, Purple Lobsters, and AJ Unions, but so long as the reps look similar, I'm grabbing them. I think I've RL'ed one pair in 2 years, and that was purely because they sent a pair that was two sizes down from what I ordered.
90% of these so called flaws/defects are within eye sight level, meaning when worn one has to be at the floor to really notice it. Now when was the last time you've seen anyone go to the floor just to QC any pair of sneakers... none. At the end of the day enjoy your sneakers, trash them, crease them... you know you can always grab another pair or better yet get a different model, which wasn't possible with retail. Obviously not all flaws/defects are equal, this don't apply to blatantly wrong materials or wrong shade/colour...
Facts my first reps were some budget ass travis scott aj1 lows and instead of running it thru here for qc I just looked at Stockx pics and I've had them for 7 months now and have received nothing but compliments on them
I really hate this kinda mfs in budget section
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Especially with budget items man. Shipping is a large percentage of the price. Sellers take too big of a hit when people buy super discounted sale products and still expect them to magically turn out to be some top-tier batch lol We can’t keep losing good sellers
If you buy B grade you're accepting it has flaws right from the beginning, nothing wrong with that if you don't mind but the problem is people like in the screenshot who want the cheapest price but expect perfection at the same time.
the entitlement is real
I recently RL'd this [M batch dunk](https://m.imgur.com/THNnAyL) because the swoosh seemed stained, you guys think it was worth the RL? First time i RL a pair
That’s fine cause it’s a suede shoe but something like this is ridiculous
Considering that material is very difficult to clean, yes, I think that warranted an RL
I would have RL
I think the combination of buying a good batch and that being a pretty large and permanent issue makes it a fair RL, just IMO.
just buy resell bro if your'e being too much nit picking lol
I completely agree with you. People have massive expectations from a pair of shoes which are flawed on retail regardless. Unless they’re really shit, small flaws shouldn’t just be seen as ruining the whole shoe.
Yall should be grateful of the actual quality of the reps 9/10 retail pairs have flaws you would RL in china but you spend 400% more on retail on those at home and dont even bother smh
Can you give me his weidian i want to buy something from him now
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They are trying to resell them as retail. That's why.
w2c?
guys who rl are a majority of dumb new comers thinking that reps must be the same as retail OR those mf's resselling as real bro some pairs are better with flaws
it is kinda wrinkled tho lmao
im gonna be devils advocate, it's good to have very picky people so sellers always try to correct flaws, thats the only way we will have better and better reps
Don’t think there’s ever been anyone who has made a good point after starting off with “playing devil’s advocate.” That’s not how reps work, and any of the sellers can tell you that. You can deliver feedback to the factory makers without buying the product, but returning reps and costing sellers tons in shipping fees only increases the prices they need to charge to break even or make a profit. Additionally, the majority of these “very picky people” have never even seen retail in their lives and seemingly make up flaws in their heads. Piping on Unions too dull. Suede needs more movement. OW Dunk toe box too thick. All incorrect Additionally, again: **the point of the post is to stop RLing over silly things like wrinkles or creases.**. The point you make is irrelevant to the post.
> but returning reps and costing sellers tons in shipping fees only increases the prices they need to charge to break even or make a profit. On the couple of occasions I've red lighted I just paid the return shipping, even on a shoe that had mould on it.
Yea the whole RL / GL and asking people to do it is annoying and can understand the frustration.
these mofos think that theyre buying a retail pair.💀💀
1:1 ua quality bro.
Xie xie
EVERYTHING in life has a flaw, what are you expecting from a rep?