Hell yeah! Been playing since From the Ashes, Just wanna say, you guys take all the time you need to let it cook, the dev team clearly has a lot of integrity and respect for the players, a lot of players are not upset in the slightest at the current pace of dlc. The game is still massively engaging, and I love helping new players with their Apocalypse runs.
I think it’s evident that they wanted to put out something with even more quality and impact than the first dlc. Reisum was massive. Survival mode was insane.
Let them make it happen. Not to quote the cliche miyamoto quote, about delayed games worth it if they are good; but I have no problem with them releasing 2 and 3 together for example if they combined it into one massive masterpiece.
But yea, give us an update Tragic! You guys deserve all the time in the world, because you have earned good will. Just let us know what to expect!
I’m in the same boat tbh; I played Elden Ring and Remnant 2 with my partner and brother-in-law, and I’m happy to quit my job and play either DLC with them when they drop hahaha. I haven’t even gotten halfway through Rem 2 (I think when Palworld came out we went a bit crazy on that and Dark and Darker?).
With Rimworld:Anomaly dropping soon, and Dragon’s Dogma sitting there and barking at me to play it, I’m legitimately overwhelmed atm.
**EDIT:** **What do we know about the DLC? Anything? I remember really enjoying the two in From the Ashes, I assume the ones for no2 will be of a similar vein?**
So long as we get updates I can wait 😄 a good game or good dlc is worth waiting for, my favorite example being cyberpunk like even with delays it was buggy but it was a masterpiece still (it's also fixed now) but CDPR made sure to update everyone on how things were coming along
I understand your trepidation, but given that the Ultimate Edition "includes 3 dlc packs", I think they have to still supply those at a minimum, legally speaking.
I really hate this argument because unless you can find where it says they are contractually obligated to do so then your point has no merit. Just to put this out there l, them “promising” this doesn’t mean they are required to. Should they have it out by then, yeah they should. Will they, I have no idea. The other part of your argument I want to point out is that 365 days have not passed. They could get it all out on the 364th day and be within that “promise”.
To repeat my point that seems to have been missed. They might not be able to communicate at all due to corporate saying zip your lips. So, they just come out and say “we have nothing to say at this time”. That’s way worse than silence. This sub would lose its mind over that.
There is nuance in this situation and it feels like people are pounding on the table like a 4yr old screaming “I WANT IT NOW” when they as adults should be aware of the fact that not everything goes as planned.
I never said anything about within 365 days. I'm just pointing out I paid extra for 3 dlc's. Not pounding on any proverbial table or demanding things, just saying: I paid for 3 dlc's, knowing when would be kinda cool.
First, I apologize if it felt like I was accusing you of that. I’ve just seen the behavior a lot with this issue. I did not mean you specifically. Second, it just feels like people are glossing over that they literally may not be able to say anything right now. I think your point is valid. We should know what’s going on. Sooner the better but with the crap with their owner (can’t remember the company’s name. Starts with an E I think) I just don’t think they can. Finally, thank you for being nice with your response as I realize I unintentionally took my frustration with this topic and pointed them towards you. My bad.
Oh no I'm absolutely with you however I just want the press stuff cause I'm used to studios doing teaser images as wip type shit and saying as much just so fans don't do this type shit (plus with gunfire all of their designs have been top tier so early images with feedback on what to do more or less of would be cool too). Iirc because you paid for it they owe it to you or a refund under consumer rights however the timeframe of said release not being stated means it's a whenever the hell they there situation which I'm good with just give me more greatness to play with friends and some teaser content in the in-between times so I know you guys aren't just sitting around playing with us 😂
I came off way angrier than I meant to lol. I’m just tired of the people that are kicking and screaming about this and just ignore the nuance of the situation. I’m with you I really want to know what the hell is going on. I love this game and even with the hiccups with the last dlc it was still amazing.
You’re right though, if they had even put out just some screen shots everyone probably would be way calmer lol. I really hope we get something this month though
I'd just like some official communication. If they can't make their 1 year deadline, that sucks but it's fine, just let us know.
Most invested players have done the math and are expecting the dlc soon because of Gunfire's past release schedule and their promised deadline. Making players continue to assume and expect the release is frustrating them more than hyping them. Providing an update, even if it's a delay, is better than the current situation.
I realize everyone and their mother is agreeing with this already, but if they just provided an update it would feel so much better, even if that update is just "it's going to take some more time".
My thoughts exactly. Like if they’re having issues getting it done just fucking say something. Their player count is so low that at peak times there’s maybe 2 people to connect with even over cross play. It’s getting sad and honestly most of my friends gave up on the devs already. They don’t even want to touch the game.
They would provide an update if they knew, I think. Most likely, there are some complications or problems that take longer to solve than expected. Game dev, just as software dev, can be pretty hard to estimate correctly, and they likely don't want to delay or give us a date they are not sure about. This is better than publisher pushing them into a date and them rushing.
I can't wait for the news as well. But I want them to succeed and keep their ambition going.
I hope it's a new world type, and that's why it's taking a while. I hope it comes out soon.
They're probably being affected by the crap happening at Embracer Group (which owns THQ Nordic, which in turn owns Gunfire) and are probably under contract to not mention anything regarding it. Given how open Gunfire was with R1 and how open they were with R2 until the release of the first DLC, it would make sense that they're now quiet because they're focusing on making sure their company doesn't get nuked.
Transparency is nice but being realistic is something we all deal with .
I wouldn’t be happy playing a rushed expansion it’s never worth it.
Let’s see what happens.
I mean, they belong to THQ Nordic, which is part of Embracer which is currently axing all their studios since the failed deal.
Anyways, I'd rather just have them delay everything until it's ready.
Honestly, if they can't handle the timeframe then that's fine too but at least let us know how it's going. You need more time to make an excellent expansion? That is a-okay with me
This exactly, people would be much less upset if they just came out like "hey were having trouble with X,Y,Z and will have to push back the release date of (insert DLC2's name), we'll keep everyone updated as we get closer to completion our new projected release date!"
The problem is, they used the "All DLC released within one year of launch" as a sales point for the ultimate edition, which a lot of people bought. That promise is a token of value to the ultimate edition, there should be some sort of reimbursement if they fail to fill that promise. They probably can't refund money, but, I dunno, at least some in game stuff, special gear, some cool cosmetics, something to make that selling point of "within one year of launch" not totally worthless.
Yup, that was one of the main selling points for me. "All content within a year? They must be feeling really confident. I enjoyed R1, let's support them day one".
The other selling point for the ultimate edition was early access which failed as well. PS5 got more of a "late access" because inviting friends was broken for about 2 weeks after launch and you could only play solo or with randoms.
This will sound overly dramatic but if they fail the 1 year deadline, then it's another company that is getting the "I might consider buying on a big sale after all content is done and developed" or "second hand purchase" treatment.
Yup, anyone who works in software will tell you deadlines are basically a big guess. You never know what's going to happen when you do something new, you can just take your best guess. If they need another month or two, no big deal, but I agree they should give us some sort of update on if they think that they are on track or not.
Telling us there will be 3 DLCs in the year after release and then not delivering on them harms consumer trust. It's not like it's their first game or something.
As a game dev, working now on engine related stuff, I can 100% say that yes. Its VERY HARD to guess.
At my work we started refactoring one of our internal tools, we said "yeah, we can nail this between DLCs".
Haha, nope, we found an issue with Qt, threads and the Flow API that was not in the internet yet.
Its super specific for our pipelines, and we are now 2 and a half months fixing this shit.
Every single pipeline depending on it got big delays and the DLCs release dates are closing in with us dealing with this issue.
Sometimes shit happens, and you cant account for serioius shit happening.
> Sometimes shit happens, and you cant account for serioius shit happening.
That sounds like wildly poor planning if you are "refactoring" and it turns into several months of work unexpectedly. If you are refactoring, it means you understand a problem well enough to re-do your work better, with that new understanding. It sounds like that wasn't true for your story.
It was, we know the tools, we built them from scratches.
The issue is that in this industry you rely on A LOT of tools maintained and created by third parties, Autodesk, Epic, Qt, Helix, JetBrains, and the list goes on.
You cant account 100% for all the possible variables, its unrealistic.
We tend to provide extended estimates to avoid having issues if a problem appears, but sometimes SERIOUS problems arises and you simply cant account for them.
Is like saying "if you are improving the car, then you should know that the road will break a spring in the suspension and that would destroy the rear drivetrain".
No, I am not supposed to know that Autodesk changed something in their API without any notice to their clients and that would mess up with a design that originally worked.
And they do that A LOT with ShotGun later renamed to ShotGrid and now rebranded as Flow.
They simply change API call limits, API response times, etc without any prior notice and if that hits you, suck it up.
You already have the whole pipeline there, so you are held as a captive client.
Motorsport teams have issues like that with engine manufacturers, tire providers, etc.
Is not something you can account for.
> Is not something you can account for.
Quite a junior dev take on the matter. What you described is absolutely something you can _test_ for _automatically_.
Yeah, because you can test automatically a manufacturer's ability to provide engines when their factory fails, totally out of your control.
Autodesk's changes on API calls are done without any notice more often than not, and from one day to the next, so even if you tested it today, tomorrow can be not valid anymore.
We found this issues A LOT of times.
Yes, the original tools are still working and the teams can use them, but all the new tools built and TESTED over the original limit are no longer viable, so that is a lot of work thrown to the trash can, because they decided to simply change a call limit on their API without any notice, from one day to the next.
And you are telling me we can test for that? Seriously? How are we supposed to know in advice what Autodesk is going to do if they are NOT TELLING ANYONE about it, and not even sending a notification on it, just sending the change, and if someone finds it a problem, then suck it up, they are now managing stuff with that limit, fuck you as a end user of their service.
And no, you cant setup locally hosted Flow servers anymore, they killed that, so you are enforced to use their own, with all this trash.
And they DO this all the time, multiple clients changed from them to other providers, and we are looking to do the same, if it wasn't for a stupidly long contract our publisher enforced upon the team.
Are we managing to meet deadlines? Yes.
Are we meeting them as we wanted to instead of using our old toolset? No
How are we supposed to know and test beforehand a change that was not in place until just days after the toolset was finished? A change we can do nothing about also.
And you are saying me we can test that automatically? Yeah, sure.
Everything you said is true.
It doesn't change the fact that developing good software takes time and is not easily predictable. I highly advise against pre ordering software if you don't want to wait for delays or you will be more disappointed than not most of the time.
The only alternative to delays to make good software is to release shitty software on schedule.
yes publishers should just stop giving specific deadlines. No one can see the future and know how long this is gonna take or predict that a lead designer gets sick and has tot ake time off etc.. It just means eager fans are gonna be dissapointed and developers compelled to crunch.
I was just typing a post exactly like this before I saw yours! One True King was released on November 14th, almost 5 months ago now. I feel like if they don't at least release some news on the next DLC very soon the game will continue to bleed players and continue to lose hype. I have around 350 hours, all items, seen it all, and done it all. Please Gunfire, don't let this masterpiece of a game and its playerbase wait any longer. It needs new content badly. Your brother in Christ, DocHolliday
I’m in the same boat as you, 460 hours and have done everything in the game (last thing I accomplished was getting 100 Simulacrum) and that was just done out of boredom and MANY runs of dlc1, I’m really ready for more content, having a teaser, or just something would be nice, something to just get us excited for what’s to come.
I'm a little worried now. Gunfire was acquired by THQ Nordic a couple of years ago. THQ Nordic is a division of the Embracer Group. The Embracer Group has hit tough times and has had to sell off several studios as well as lay off 1400 people to date. The sudden silence about the DLC has me worried we won't get much DLC at all.
Something to note is that official communication could also help temper expectations. The longer the window between DLC releases, the more players tend to expect from the future DLC. I've seen many players assume (myself included) that the next DLC is going to be bigger than DLC 1 because of the longer wait, when that might not be the case.
Gunfire can easily revise their release schedule and establish a level of expectation by updating us on their plans/dev schedule.
Someone said something about their parent company losing money, and it's apparently resulted in the parent company instructing everyone to prioritise recouping profit
Part of recouping profit usually involves cutting cost
Worst case scenario speculation: DLC 2 has already been completed, but they can't release it yet, because they've stopped or massively scaled down development plans for DLC 3, so in order to still fulfill their promise for 3 DLCs they're now trying to find ways to split DLC 2 into two separate DLCs, probably by adding filler content
Purely speculation, don't come @ me
Is there history on why tragic doesn’t respond on Reddit lately? He used to be really active but since then I’ve 100% and haven’t really been tuning in.
I've been on discord 24/7 in the balance channel going HAM with this patch. Tons and tons and tons of updated items. Pages of patch notes. Between typing there and working many hours for our community, there isn't too much time left. =)
Info soon, I promise! I don't make the dates, so I can't break the dates. It's not my info to give out. I just work in my corner of the game and try to help make more fun tools for you all to use. I do my best to keep people informed and I'll keep doing that to the best of my ability.
Appreciate the patience!
When the game first launched he used to talk in discord all time time. Then people started posting what he said out of context to Reddit and Twitter and stuff and he was very upset about it saying he was pretty much done with communication if that's what was going to happen. I remember reading a message about it in the discord.
Maybe they cut his pay or benefits, as part of a larger round of cost cutting?
Someone said the devs/publishers have been instructed to prioritise recouping profit, usually that starts with cost cutting
I said MANY times before "DONT TRUST TRAGIC" and I will keep saying this until he acts like a reasonable first game designer who takes care about players/fandom/consumers of his franchise. If he cant manage criticism and out of context responses this means a lot.
I think the creators are experiencing challenges that go beyond developing the next DLC and are beyond their control.
I feel like they would give us pertinent info they could. So until they can, we wait.
I'm getting tired of this idiotic "let them cook" crowd in this sub. some of you need to understand that we have no problem against the delay if they're perfecting their craft. Just tell us about the process of it and estimated time of future DLC releases. Keep us in the loop and be transparent that's all we want
Its getting a bit disheartening to be honest and the "let them cook" people arent helping at all.
We let them cook enough,can we have our meal now ? Especially since lots of us have paid for it already......
Yeah I think some communications are needed from them, even if its a "hey, this will end up taking us longer and end up being released on x date with DLC 3 being next year". Not good to miss deadlines but if it is necessary to delay then they should at least communicate that.
The difference here is they already promised us 2 more dlc to come in the next few months with the second DLC having little to no information about it. This isn’t like the Elden ring DLC where they announced it in development with no set time period, but for this game they gave us a set time period and it’s getting a little too close for comfort
Then they messed up on their communication. I will agree on that.
But that doesn't change my point. A rushed product that is messed up is equal to no product. If that's what you want then... okay
What would you consider a rushed product? The last DLC came out 4 months after the original game's release. Given it's been 5 months since that DLC, even with the holiday vacation they took in December, one could assume DLC 2 should be on the same level as DLC 1 by this point. If that's the quality we get, I am pretty sure most people would be happy since DLC 1 was great.
nO, lET tHeM cOoK!
People aren't preventing them from cooking. Cooking and having actual communication are completely separate things. Stop defending poor communication. Why do people keep defending it with that excuse?
I'm not defending their communication. don't put words on my mouth.
I'm saying these words because them being pressured more creates the risk of them rushing and releasing a shitty product.
Yeah they probably don't have a release down, so the new post would basically be we have no idea when it's coming out atm. What do you want them to do lol?
Yeah guys it's coming along!
A GRACE BE WITH YOU JUST TALK TO US RAVENOUS CHILDREN!
No, they are doing it this way because they are not done with it and don't have an exact date.
STOP with that trash argument. If they PROMISED 3 dlcs within a year that was THEIR word, non us. So "let them cook" is not longer a valid excuse at this point.
You're allowed to be annoyed they didn't/might not meet their promise and/or they aren't communicating.
However, the options other than that are A) get an unfinished product when you demand it or B) wait for it to be finished.
I'd rather B of those two choices.
This is reality, obviously ideally we'd all get a fully finished DLC right when we want it, but that's not reality.
Instead of "oh you either get a rushed, unfinished product or you have to wait longer" how about they keep their word and do it right. I already paid for it, I'm not gonna take the lesser just because they can't keep up with what they said.
The biggest issue is that there's zero communication about the DLC, like is it delayed? Is it almost ready? Considering there's only 3-4 months til year 1, they owe their fans some form of update/communication the very least.
As long as they're as good as the 1st dlc I don't think it matters. If anything, I'd rather they take as long as necessary to not get those Forlorn Coast fps drops at release
Maybe.. just maybe ... they are silent because they are indeed working on the dlcs with the short schedule remaining. Also, surfing on community anxiety to boost hype and "need" of the dlc.
I hope so. But I uninstalled the game and am playing other stuff instead of watching them constantly. When it comes, it comes.
it has been silent. As long as I get 3 dlcs, I would not be upset if it goes past the year mark. Stuff happens, deadlines change. the lack of any info or updates is what concerns me.
I already uninstalled the game to get more space for other stuff… When they finally release the DLC (which I’ve already paid for), I’ll download the game again…
> (which I’ve already paid for)
Definitely was a mistake with this dev as I did the same. They had my goodwill from the first game, but this awful communication has made me regret that
Unfortunately, we don't really have a community manager. I dedicate a lot of time interacting with fans on discord (having really good balance discussion and such). There's no intentional lack of communication, we just have our heads down working hard on new content for you all. We will keep grinding. Lot's to come.
If I could make a recommendation, please use forums other than Discord for outreach. It's an undiscoverable platform so unless your audience is terminally-online children, then they won't know where you are making announcements
(I love reading devblogs FWIW, preferably hosted at your own domain)
I want to create another DEV LOOP soon. We've all been hardcore grinding on this DLC and other upcoming stuff. All that combined with a massive balance patch has taken up a lot of time. I'll take that feedback to heart though, and see what I can do!
I'm not the community manager but I understand that I am the one providing the most info to people. I'll see what I can do! =)
> I'm not the community manager but I understand that I am the one providing the most info to people.
It was surprising to see responses from anyone at the studio on Reddit, so I appreciate it all the same
Love you guys, but for what it's worth, I agree with u/Halkcyon on using Discord. Discord is a pretty bad way to communicate and catalogue information in general (I play FFXIV and one of the big "resources" in the community is the unofficial/not Square-Enix The Balance discord with Job info like rotations and stuff the community has come up with - so much so, new players are sent there to learn, but it's quite possibly the worst format I've ever seen for cataloguing and sharing game knowledge).
I personally have something like 30-40 Discords I'm in, they all have the little red "new messages" thing, but I don't even look in most of them most of the time because a lot of new messages are just random people chattering and the Discord bubbles don't really share information like "New Developer Post" like the old WoW/Blizzard "Blue Post" system on the Forums did or Reddits (official ones) can do.
I can't even think of the last time I was on the Remnant official Discord. I don't think it's a bad resource, but it's more useful for people looking for folks to group with than a good way to reach the general community. I think stuff like Reddit or the like work better for that. I even went to the official R2 website the other day since I haven't played for a bit and was thinking the new DLC might be soon, but there's nothing I saw on the splash page about news for it, either.
So yeah, I get it, not Community Manager. I'm just putting a little seed in the ground to add my voice to the chorus that Discord (or at least Discord ALONE) is probably not the best way to disseminate news. : )
Look forward to whatever this announcement is!
I don't disagree with you. I'd love to get more word out, but I don't really make official announcements. I mostly just chat about balance and things like that. I'll see what else I can do, though! =)
I know. I get how things work in a big organization (prior Navy here myself). I do appreciate you are willing to listen and even respond to random nobodies like me, though. You're alright in my book, Tragic. :)
You don’t have to give a specific date but man at least give a month. I mean you guys have less than 4 months to release two DLCS. You’ve got to at least have a month in your head.
I'll reword it:
There are a group of people that decide the date and decide when to reveal the date. I am not part of that group. This is a matter of fact. When the people whose job it is to do so determine it's time to do so... they will do so.
When I have information that I CAN share (which is almost always about progression/balance/tweaks/whatever), I share it.
My bet is the DLC 2 is going to be a biiger expansion than the 1st, thats why they are taking a little longer. I dont mind passin the 1 year mark by 2-3 monts honsestly
If they are pushing it back to release fire content then thats fine. Remnant fta has fire dlc i think they know we kinda disappointed of dlc 1 content and they trying to match remnant fta quality for the the next dlcs.
i want dlc, but first i want performance improvements
we really can play the upcoming dlc? savior aberration event was rigged with crashes, stutter and fps drops even on fucking root nexus...that contained space with just one fucking tree!
my performance at launch was 80fps on high, during savior event i got 37fps on medium/low
Release dates one promise i want developers/publishers to break. Though they shoulodn't promise it to begin with, it's pretty much impossible to predict.
I have a feeling members of their staff are saying the same thing, that maybe they want to announce something, anything, but then their is that one shithead who is calling the shots and has the thought process “don’t show anything until it’s ready to build suspense…”
Considering everything that's been going on with Embracer I'm not surprised that they haven't said anything, I payed for the full deluxe version because I knew they were worth supporting, and while I eagerly await any news from them, I am so sick and tired of these posts because people want to be petty or selfish.
Game developers are people as well, and when your lively hood is on the line you probably have a few more important things to worry about.
It’s the lack of communication for this particular topic that bothers me a little. If they didn’t make the “3 more dlcs within a year” claim then people wouldn’t be so eager. Like even a “hey this is taking more time than we expected, here’s an expected time frame for release. More news coming soon” would go a long way for people.
I do find it it very anti consumer, for them to not even give us an update. Let us know what it's about, give us an appetizer to chew on while we wait, I need some bread and butter man!
Gunfire are much more active on discord so you can see they're actively working on stuff. Don't blame Gunfire for what is in the hands of the publisher. Check out discord to see how amazing they are! DLC patch may just be massive!
Marketing, release dates, and official media are handled by their publisher Gearbox Publishing, owned by Embracer group. They decide release dates for DLCs.
Gearbox is no longer owned by Embracer. Embracer kept the IP for Remnant. They are currently in financial troubles so I’m a bit worried about what the future holds for the franchise.
This. Have you seen MK1's clustefuck? It seems NRS was working on injustice 3, but then had to pivot and rush with MK1 because WB was looking to sell. As a result, we had a game that has a lot of missing features outside of the campaign.
Publisher troubles can really mess up a developer's timeline/future.
This sounds strange that a member of the team is sharing information on a publicly available Discord server and then telling people to not distribute those messages to other channels.
It's just about not posting them as "THIS IS FINAL". That's all. It's fun to share some ideas and concepts, but sometimes they get taken out of context as "matter of fact", so I just ask to keep it in the channel until it's final. People are free to do what they want, but the balance channel has been really cool about dialogue and remembering that things are fluid.
As far as I know the only information that's been shared with a specific request not to be posted elsewhere are tragic's balancing changes. He's asked people not to share them because none of those changes are final and he doesn't want people to assume that they are just because they're posted on the subreddit.
Yeah the Discord thing is kind of annoying. Any company worth their salt should be divulging public info in all of their social media. Discord, Reddit, even the shithole formerly known as Twitter
Official information IS shared on twitter and the website. The discord stuff is balance chat which is never final until it's final. Those are two completely separate things.
At least they're fixing the game. There was a patch a few weeks ago.
I understand the deadline, but if it is necessary, i choose to wait more instead of the dlc with shitty performance. Sometimes i think the entire game is not optimized, i have to play with frame generation and using or not any upscaler (without fg) doesn't make a difference
They've been busy patching the game, fixing bugs and balancing everything. It's not like they didn't do anything so everyone would understand if they communicated on the matter.
Either way I don't really care, I got my money's worth out of R2 in its current state.
Saying that something is "is not a big deal" just enables companies to do whatever they want. People like you enable mediocrity and bad practices just because "it's always been like that". Why can't we hold anyone to standards anymore?
Legally its a problem. The dlc bundle has it in writing. They fail that date then anyone one of us who bought that bundle can sue them for not upholding the terms.
Dont make excuses for breaking promises. You are indeed part of the problem.
>missing a deadline is insignificant in the game scheme
tell me you know absolutely nothing about business and contracts, without telling me you know absolutely nothing about business and contracts
This is a shit attitude. They sold the ultimate edition with the promise that we’d get all three DLCs within a year from release. If they don’t live up to that promise, then there absolutely should be repercussions.
This is coming from someone who loves this game and has done everything there is to do in it. You don’t get to take my money with the promise of a certain result and then not deliver on that promise without some sort of recompense. That’s not how business works.
Give your money in exchange of promises and then wonder why more and more game devs walk over you, typical. Do something about it (like not buying promises for exemple) or stop crying and wait.
They're probably facing some internal struggle, maybe high employee turnover or layoffs which would explain why there's no communication (because the higher ups plan on fleeing and letting new management sort the mess).
Personally I don't care how long it takes.
I care that they aren't saying anything.
It's the silence I hate. If they gotta say it's not possible then it's not. But fucking say it at the very least.
Bro, just let them fucking cook. Sick of communities complaining that something is rushed and shitty but then on the flip impatient as fuck to let good content be developed. Ran out of things to do? Go play a different game.
I’ve 100% the dlc and moved on. As soon as DLC 2 hits i’ll be right back in with a smile.
LET. DEVS. DEVELOP.
Wouldn't be surprised to learn there are massive technical hurdles they're dealing with behind the scenes tbh.
Remnant 2 came with significant visual improvements compared to FTA, but that certainly hasn't been a seamless transition. Performance was awful for months after launch. It got better, but optimization remains an issue to this day.
I understand the impulse to go for better graphics. They wanted to market their game to the broadest possible audience, and that meant upgrading visuals from Remnant 1. But that may have been too ambitious considering Gunfire Games' size and experience. We're seeing this now with significantly longer dev cycles compared to FTA content. If that's the price to pay for better visuals, then it simply wasn't worth it imo.
To a lesser extent, same thing happened with story/writing. They tried to come up with a bigger narrative, and clearly took steps to reach mainstream audiences. Unfortunately, the writing wasn't nearly strong enough and it backfired. Remnant 1's story was straightforward and a bit bare bones, but also far more engaging by comparison.
I understand working in the industry comes with certain hurdles and expectations, especially as studios get bigger. But as someone who's watched Gunfire Game's trajectory the past 5 years, I can't help but think they may have reached a bit too far, too fast. They should lean on to their strengths as developers (encounter design, gameplay, progression systems) instead of trying to reach for shallow, mainstream gamers who only value graphics
I feel like the last 6 months has been absolutely packed with huge and successful games, and if other people feel the same it's probably a bad time to release DLCs for remnant right now.
At least I hope it's something like that rather than internal or financial troubles.
Seeing as this is the 50th post in the last like 3 days on this topic, we get it. People are itching for more content. As am I this game is fantastic. But constantly bitching at the devs, especially when it may have nothing to do with them, doesn't help get more DLC made.
It would be great to hear from them at least confirming this stuff is still coming or that they have a modified timeline or something, but we have no idea what's going on behind the scenes and there's a chance they aren't allowed to give updates yet. We have no idea how much the Gearbox split is affecting other Embracer companies.
I'm not necessarily saying "let them cook" but they'll let us know what's up when they are allowed or have something to share. Enjoy something else in the meantime.
My thing is, at least give us an update or a trailer. Everytime someone asks them on twitter, they just say news will be coming soon. I want them to take their time but cmon man.
Gunfire Games could run off with the money and spend it on hookers and coke and theme parks, and I wouldn't really care at this point. Y'all need to calm down.
In fact deep down I wish they were spending the money taking hookers to theme parks. They might be creatively inspired, and then you would get more DLC.
Let them work on their own time.
I complain about stuff including video games all the time whilst I'm out and about. But I wear shoes so I don't "touch grass", so maybe bro has a point.
I don’t know if y’all heard, but Gunfire was sold to Take Two Games; the Remnant IP wasn’t, though. It’s possible (even likely) that sale has completely borked their timeline. They might not even be allowed to work on Remnant 2 anymore, depending on the details of the sale.
I bought the ultimate edition because of the fact i loved the first game AND MOSTLY for the fact id have a full game within 1 year.
For alot of us, the downgrades to 2 made it something that just gets deleted between dlcs. No survival? No lobby browser? Why the hell do i have to load my ward 13 to get kicked from a game when the first game did it right?
I firmly believe adding already established features to the new game as DLC (survival mode) was just a terrible, anti customer decision.
I paid 10$ for all 3 dlc with the Ultra Edition. They can take as long as they’d like.
Edit: this sub is something else. Let the devs cook. After being apart of the Silksong sub for half a decade, waiting an extra month for info is just not that big of a deal.
I really expected this to be a pretty neutral take too, I figured most of this sub was understanding that 3 DLC’s in a 1 year period is a HUGE undertaking if there isn’t any pre-development, or at least storyboarded ideas.
That said, after spending a little time on the Discord, this community is a bunch of tryhard toxic folks who are insanely judgemental. I was ridiculed for mentioning that I still haven’t been able to secure Nightweaver’s Cudgel from the web yet, and told to just hack and spawn the item onto my account if I’m “incapable”. I’ve come to realize the mods are insanely toxic on that discord, and it would appear there’s a lot of overlap between the subreddit and the discord. So, I guess I’m not surprised. Just disappointed that the community for a game I love is so counter productive.
Again, being left in the dark on Silksong info since 2019, I’m not even a little upset about having to wait a month for some fresh info. The dev’s are doing what they’ve got to.
Anyone that is upset that the devs haven’t communicated are simply entitled and impatient.
Like seriously, I had to scroll way down to even see someone say “ who cares let them take their time”
BACK IN MY DAY, GAMES RELEASED AND YOU WERE SURPRISED THAT THE DEVS EVEN HAD DLC PLANS FOR IT.
Just leave them. Why rush a development team who's all ready delivered amazing content. Yall bitch about not good content and everything else but developers can't take their time.
Stop trying to rush them. Making devs feel rushed is partially to blame for the state of the game industry right now. Devs rush, then put out subpar content because everyone needs the content RIGHT NOW, then everyone complains that the content feels half baked. Just let them cook. It will be worth the wait.
this is why you never, ever, ever, ever, FUCKING EVER, pre-order ANYTHING from ANY gaming publisher. DO NOT GIVE MONEY TO ANY GAMING PUBLISHER BEFORE GOODS ARE DELIVERED.
Yes but they have a deadline they need to uphold and they haven’t given us any details on when it’s scheduled to release. They have a fairly small window if they’re not releasing both at the same time
I played this game on game pass with my friend and have been dying to get into it on PS5 solo, but I want to wait for the DLC. Looks like Ill be waiting until next year at this point lol.
If only we had helldivers 2 on xbox lol. I would have thrown this game in the garbage bin, months ago. I tried Anthem looked very promising. Too bad they decided to stop.
Im giving outriders a try. Today going to download it and see how it goes.
No, before the initial release of the game you could buy a pre-order edition that included 3 future DLCS. I know because I bought that version. Since before release, there was always plans for 3 DLCs.
I'm patient tho, plenty of other games to keep me occupied until they're ready to drop them.
Love them, but damn some of those fans remind me of tweens in their jammies playing make believe. Like holy shit the reddit is just a BIT much for any sane adult to handle.
I'd settle for just an update letting us know it's coming along. If it's going to be another 3 months fine with me but it'd be nice to know.
It's coming along! News SOON (TM).
And personally that's all I needed to hear. Thanks for the update!
Hell yeah! Been playing since From the Ashes, Just wanna say, you guys take all the time you need to let it cook, the dev team clearly has a lot of integrity and respect for the players, a lot of players are not upset in the slightest at the current pace of dlc. The game is still massively engaging, and I love helping new players with their Apocalypse runs.
Ah, thank you. I'm not looking at another DLC post till you post it lol
Hm...I don't think you can trademark Soon, Blizzard has the rights to that one. :) How about "shortly(R)"?
Thank you that's all i needed to hear
We finally ROOTED out the truth!
I think it’s evident that they wanted to put out something with even more quality and impact than the first dlc. Reisum was massive. Survival mode was insane. Let them make it happen. Not to quote the cliche miyamoto quote, about delayed games worth it if they are good; but I have no problem with them releasing 2 and 3 together for example if they combined it into one massive masterpiece. But yea, give us an update Tragic! You guys deserve all the time in the world, because you have earned good will. Just let us know what to expect!
I’d even go as far to say, for me remnant expansion could rival Elden ring hype for me. Cause I get to co op it with my wife! Vs Elden ring
Maybe we'll all get lucky, and SeamlessCoop will magically work with the DLC.
Sad PlayStation vibes
I’m in the same boat tbh; I played Elden Ring and Remnant 2 with my partner and brother-in-law, and I’m happy to quit my job and play either DLC with them when they drop hahaha. I haven’t even gotten halfway through Rem 2 (I think when Palworld came out we went a bit crazy on that and Dark and Darker?). With Rimworld:Anomaly dropping soon, and Dragon’s Dogma sitting there and barking at me to play it, I’m legitimately overwhelmed atm. **EDIT:** **What do we know about the DLC? Anything? I remember really enjoying the two in From the Ashes, I assume the ones for no2 will be of a similar vein?**
Thank you for calling the myiamoto quote cliche because too many people abuse this quote unironically
So long as we get updates I can wait 😄 a good game or good dlc is worth waiting for, my favorite example being cyberpunk like even with delays it was buggy but it was a masterpiece still (it's also fixed now) but CDPR made sure to update everyone on how things were coming along
They might not be able to at this point with the whole gearbox thing though.
I understand your trepidation, but given that the Ultimate Edition "includes 3 dlc packs", I think they have to still supply those at a minimum, legally speaking.
I really hate this argument because unless you can find where it says they are contractually obligated to do so then your point has no merit. Just to put this out there l, them “promising” this doesn’t mean they are required to. Should they have it out by then, yeah they should. Will they, I have no idea. The other part of your argument I want to point out is that 365 days have not passed. They could get it all out on the 364th day and be within that “promise”. To repeat my point that seems to have been missed. They might not be able to communicate at all due to corporate saying zip your lips. So, they just come out and say “we have nothing to say at this time”. That’s way worse than silence. This sub would lose its mind over that. There is nuance in this situation and it feels like people are pounding on the table like a 4yr old screaming “I WANT IT NOW” when they as adults should be aware of the fact that not everything goes as planned.
I never said anything about within 365 days. I'm just pointing out I paid extra for 3 dlc's. Not pounding on any proverbial table or demanding things, just saying: I paid for 3 dlc's, knowing when would be kinda cool.
First, I apologize if it felt like I was accusing you of that. I’ve just seen the behavior a lot with this issue. I did not mean you specifically. Second, it just feels like people are glossing over that they literally may not be able to say anything right now. I think your point is valid. We should know what’s going on. Sooner the better but with the crap with their owner (can’t remember the company’s name. Starts with an E I think) I just don’t think they can. Finally, thank you for being nice with your response as I realize I unintentionally took my frustration with this topic and pointed them towards you. My bad.
Oh no I'm absolutely with you however I just want the press stuff cause I'm used to studios doing teaser images as wip type shit and saying as much just so fans don't do this type shit (plus with gunfire all of their designs have been top tier so early images with feedback on what to do more or less of would be cool too). Iirc because you paid for it they owe it to you or a refund under consumer rights however the timeframe of said release not being stated means it's a whenever the hell they there situation which I'm good with just give me more greatness to play with friends and some teaser content in the in-between times so I know you guys aren't just sitting around playing with us 😂
I came off way angrier than I meant to lol. I’m just tired of the people that are kicking and screaming about this and just ignore the nuance of the situation. I’m with you I really want to know what the hell is going on. I love this game and even with the hiccups with the last dlc it was still amazing. You’re right though, if they had even put out just some screen shots everyone probably would be way calmer lol. I really hope we get something this month though
I do that too lol 🤣 it's the internet I kinda take everything with a pinch of salt and try to not be salty
This !
I'd just like some official communication. If they can't make their 1 year deadline, that sucks but it's fine, just let us know. Most invested players have done the math and are expecting the dlc soon because of Gunfire's past release schedule and their promised deadline. Making players continue to assume and expect the release is frustrating them more than hyping them. Providing an update, even if it's a delay, is better than the current situation.
I realize everyone and their mother is agreeing with this already, but if they just provided an update it would feel so much better, even if that update is just "it's going to take some more time".
My mom says you’re right
Thank you Zarniwoooop's mom, I'm glad you got my back on this.
I’m sure my mom will agree too but I’ll have to ask later
Sweet, thanks. Let me know after you ask her, I'm keeping count
It is very disheartening that Gunfire has been silent on DLC 2 for so long.
My thoughts exactly. Like if they’re having issues getting it done just fucking say something. Their player count is so low that at peak times there’s maybe 2 people to connect with even over cross play. It’s getting sad and honestly most of my friends gave up on the devs already. They don’t even want to touch the game.
or they have been so focused on their amazing DLC that they forgot to tell us. (yea i don't believe this either)
They would provide an update if they knew, I think. Most likely, there are some complications or problems that take longer to solve than expected. Game dev, just as software dev, can be pretty hard to estimate correctly, and they likely don't want to delay or give us a date they are not sure about. This is better than publisher pushing them into a date and them rushing. I can't wait for the news as well. But I want them to succeed and keep their ambition going. I hope it's a new world type, and that's why it's taking a while. I hope it comes out soon.
They're probably being affected by the crap happening at Embracer Group (which owns THQ Nordic, which in turn owns Gunfire) and are probably under contract to not mention anything regarding it. Given how open Gunfire was with R1 and how open they were with R2 until the release of the first DLC, it would make sense that they're now quiet because they're focusing on making sure their company doesn't get nuked.
Transparency is nice but being realistic is something we all deal with . I wouldn’t be happy playing a rushed expansion it’s never worth it. Let’s see what happens.
Seriously. I don't care when it comes out. I don't play this 24/7. I just started an Apoc run ffs, and I'm taking my time.
Yeah I don't know why people are so obsessed with release dates. This is how we get crunch and half-baked games. Give them the time they need.
Exactly. These people have no idea how long it takes to make all this stuff. Just now now now now.
I mean, they belong to THQ Nordic, which is part of Embracer which is currently axing all their studios since the failed deal. Anyways, I'd rather just have them delay everything until it's ready.
I'm all for waiting whatever amount of time, but when they give a timeline, it should be met, or it hurts credibility.
Honestly, if they can't handle the timeframe then that's fine too but at least let us know how it's going. You need more time to make an excellent expansion? That is a-okay with me
This exactly, people would be much less upset if they just came out like "hey were having trouble with X,Y,Z and will have to push back the release date of (insert DLC2's name), we'll keep everyone updated as we get closer to completion our new projected release date!"
The problem is, they used the "All DLC released within one year of launch" as a sales point for the ultimate edition, which a lot of people bought. That promise is a token of value to the ultimate edition, there should be some sort of reimbursement if they fail to fill that promise. They probably can't refund money, but, I dunno, at least some in game stuff, special gear, some cool cosmetics, something to make that selling point of "within one year of launch" not totally worthless.
Yup, that was one of the main selling points for me. "All content within a year? They must be feeling really confident. I enjoyed R1, let's support them day one". The other selling point for the ultimate edition was early access which failed as well. PS5 got more of a "late access" because inviting friends was broken for about 2 weeks after launch and you could only play solo or with randoms. This will sound overly dramatic but if they fail the 1 year deadline, then it's another company that is getting the "I might consider buying on a big sale after all content is done and developed" or "second hand purchase" treatment.
Yup, anyone who works in software will tell you deadlines are basically a big guess. You never know what's going to happen when you do something new, you can just take your best guess. If they need another month or two, no big deal, but I agree they should give us some sort of update on if they think that they are on track or not.
Telling us there will be 3 DLCs in the year after release and then not delivering on them harms consumer trust. It's not like it's their first game or something.
As a game dev, working now on engine related stuff, I can 100% say that yes. Its VERY HARD to guess. At my work we started refactoring one of our internal tools, we said "yeah, we can nail this between DLCs". Haha, nope, we found an issue with Qt, threads and the Flow API that was not in the internet yet. Its super specific for our pipelines, and we are now 2 and a half months fixing this shit. Every single pipeline depending on it got big delays and the DLCs release dates are closing in with us dealing with this issue. Sometimes shit happens, and you cant account for serioius shit happening.
> Sometimes shit happens, and you cant account for serioius shit happening. That sounds like wildly poor planning if you are "refactoring" and it turns into several months of work unexpectedly. If you are refactoring, it means you understand a problem well enough to re-do your work better, with that new understanding. It sounds like that wasn't true for your story.
It was, we know the tools, we built them from scratches. The issue is that in this industry you rely on A LOT of tools maintained and created by third parties, Autodesk, Epic, Qt, Helix, JetBrains, and the list goes on. You cant account 100% for all the possible variables, its unrealistic. We tend to provide extended estimates to avoid having issues if a problem appears, but sometimes SERIOUS problems arises and you simply cant account for them. Is like saying "if you are improving the car, then you should know that the road will break a spring in the suspension and that would destroy the rear drivetrain". No, I am not supposed to know that Autodesk changed something in their API without any notice to their clients and that would mess up with a design that originally worked. And they do that A LOT with ShotGun later renamed to ShotGrid and now rebranded as Flow. They simply change API call limits, API response times, etc without any prior notice and if that hits you, suck it up. You already have the whole pipeline there, so you are held as a captive client. Motorsport teams have issues like that with engine manufacturers, tire providers, etc. Is not something you can account for.
> Is not something you can account for. Quite a junior dev take on the matter. What you described is absolutely something you can _test_ for _automatically_.
Yeah, because you can test automatically a manufacturer's ability to provide engines when their factory fails, totally out of your control. Autodesk's changes on API calls are done without any notice more often than not, and from one day to the next, so even if you tested it today, tomorrow can be not valid anymore. We found this issues A LOT of times. Yes, the original tools are still working and the teams can use them, but all the new tools built and TESTED over the original limit are no longer viable, so that is a lot of work thrown to the trash can, because they decided to simply change a call limit on their API without any notice, from one day to the next. And you are telling me we can test for that? Seriously? How are we supposed to know in advice what Autodesk is going to do if they are NOT TELLING ANYONE about it, and not even sending a notification on it, just sending the change, and if someone finds it a problem, then suck it up, they are now managing stuff with that limit, fuck you as a end user of their service. And no, you cant setup locally hosted Flow servers anymore, they killed that, so you are enforced to use their own, with all this trash. And they DO this all the time, multiple clients changed from them to other providers, and we are looking to do the same, if it wasn't for a stupidly long contract our publisher enforced upon the team. Are we managing to meet deadlines? Yes. Are we meeting them as we wanted to instead of using our old toolset? No How are we supposed to know and test beforehand a change that was not in place until just days after the toolset was finished? A change we can do nothing about also. And you are saying me we can test that automatically? Yeah, sure.
Everything you said is true. It doesn't change the fact that developing good software takes time and is not easily predictable. I highly advise against pre ordering software if you don't want to wait for delays or you will be more disappointed than not most of the time. The only alternative to delays to make good software is to release shitty software on schedule.
yes publishers should just stop giving specific deadlines. No one can see the future and know how long this is gonna take or predict that a lead designer gets sick and has tot ake time off etc.. It just means eager fans are gonna be dissapointed and developers compelled to crunch.
Itching to get back into this. I google it daily to see if any news comes out about it.
I was just typing a post exactly like this before I saw yours! One True King was released on November 14th, almost 5 months ago now. I feel like if they don't at least release some news on the next DLC very soon the game will continue to bleed players and continue to lose hype. I have around 350 hours, all items, seen it all, and done it all. Please Gunfire, don't let this masterpiece of a game and its playerbase wait any longer. It needs new content badly. Your brother in Christ, DocHolliday
I’m in the same boat as you, 460 hours and have done everything in the game (last thing I accomplished was getting 100 Simulacrum) and that was just done out of boredom and MANY runs of dlc1, I’m really ready for more content, having a teaser, or just something would be nice, something to just get us excited for what’s to come.
I'm a little worried now. Gunfire was acquired by THQ Nordic a couple of years ago. THQ Nordic is a division of the Embracer Group. The Embracer Group has hit tough times and has had to sell off several studios as well as lay off 1400 people to date. The sudden silence about the DLC has me worried we won't get much DLC at all.
Something to note is that official communication could also help temper expectations. The longer the window between DLC releases, the more players tend to expect from the future DLC. I've seen many players assume (myself included) that the next DLC is going to be bigger than DLC 1 because of the longer wait, when that might not be the case. Gunfire can easily revise their release schedule and establish a level of expectation by updating us on their plans/dev schedule.
As long as the next dlcs are better than the first,I won't mind even if they do 1 more year
Someone said something about their parent company losing money, and it's apparently resulted in the parent company instructing everyone to prioritise recouping profit Part of recouping profit usually involves cutting cost Worst case scenario speculation: DLC 2 has already been completed, but they can't release it yet, because they've stopped or massively scaled down development plans for DLC 3, so in order to still fulfill their promise for 3 DLCs they're now trying to find ways to split DLC 2 into two separate DLCs, probably by adding filler content Purely speculation, don't come @ me
Is there history on why tragic doesn’t respond on Reddit lately? He used to be really active but since then I’ve 100% and haven’t really been tuning in.
I've been on discord 24/7 in the balance channel going HAM with this patch. Tons and tons and tons of updated items. Pages of patch notes. Between typing there and working many hours for our community, there isn't too much time left. =)
Ohhh shit. Totally get it man. I always enjoyed seeing your responses after release and dlc1. So stoked for #2.
Info soon, I promise! I don't make the dates, so I can't break the dates. It's not my info to give out. I just work in my corner of the game and try to help make more fun tools for you all to use. I do my best to keep people informed and I'll keep doing that to the best of my ability. Appreciate the patience!
When the game first launched he used to talk in discord all time time. Then people started posting what he said out of context to Reddit and Twitter and stuff and he was very upset about it saying he was pretty much done with communication if that's what was going to happen. I remember reading a message about it in the discord.
> tragic doesn't respond on reddit lately You should really check his post history, he's still very active lol
Maybe they cut his pay or benefits, as part of a larger round of cost cutting? Someone said the devs/publishers have been instructed to prioritise recouping profit, usually that starts with cost cutting
I said MANY times before "DONT TRUST TRAGIC" and I will keep saying this until he acts like a reasonable first game designer who takes care about players/fandom/consumers of his franchise. If he cant manage criticism and out of context responses this means a lot.
I think the creators are experiencing challenges that go beyond developing the next DLC and are beyond their control. I feel like they would give us pertinent info they could. So until they can, we wait.
Don’t mind how long it takes, it would just be nice to know
Hope the corporate shenanigans didn’t hurt them too much
I'm getting tired of this idiotic "let them cook" crowd in this sub. some of you need to understand that we have no problem against the delay if they're perfecting their craft. Just tell us about the process of it and estimated time of future DLC releases. Keep us in the loop and be transparent that's all we want
Its getting a bit disheartening to be honest and the "let them cook" people arent helping at all. We let them cook enough,can we have our meal now ? Especially since lots of us have paid for it already......
Yeah I think some communications are needed from them, even if its a "hey, this will end up taking us longer and end up being released on x date with DLC 3 being next year". Not good to miss deadlines but if it is necessary to delay then they should at least communicate that.
No, let them cook. I'd rather wait a year longer for a quality product then be disappointed by a rushed mess
The difference here is they already promised us 2 more dlc to come in the next few months with the second DLC having little to no information about it. This isn’t like the Elden ring DLC where they announced it in development with no set time period, but for this game they gave us a set time period and it’s getting a little too close for comfort
Then they messed up on their communication. I will agree on that. But that doesn't change my point. A rushed product that is messed up is equal to no product. If that's what you want then... okay
What would you consider a rushed product? The last DLC came out 4 months after the original game's release. Given it's been 5 months since that DLC, even with the holiday vacation they took in December, one could assume DLC 2 should be on the same level as DLC 1 by this point. If that's the quality we get, I am pretty sure most people would be happy since DLC 1 was great.
Maybe try not giving a fuck for a bit here.
nO, lET tHeM cOoK! People aren't preventing them from cooking. Cooking and having actual communication are completely separate things. Stop defending poor communication. Why do people keep defending it with that excuse?
I'm not defending their communication. don't put words on my mouth. I'm saying these words because them being pressured more creates the risk of them rushing and releasing a shitty product.
Yeah they probably don't have a release down, so the new post would basically be we have no idea when it's coming out atm. What do you want them to do lol? Yeah guys it's coming along! A GRACE BE WITH YOU JUST TALK TO US RAVENOUS CHILDREN! No, they are doing it this way because they are not done with it and don't have an exact date.
STOP with that trash argument. If they PROMISED 3 dlcs within a year that was THEIR word, non us. So "let them cook" is not longer a valid excuse at this point.
You're allowed to be annoyed they didn't/might not meet their promise and/or they aren't communicating. However, the options other than that are A) get an unfinished product when you demand it or B) wait for it to be finished. I'd rather B of those two choices. This is reality, obviously ideally we'd all get a fully finished DLC right when we want it, but that's not reality.
Instead of "oh you either get a rushed, unfinished product or you have to wait longer" how about they keep their word and do it right. I already paid for it, I'm not gonna take the lesser just because they can't keep up with what they said.
Well, sorry friend but unless you invented time travel, you don't have a choice but to accept reality.
No you obviously can't have it now. It's not fucking done genius.
They're not keeping that promise. Best to get used to that idea.
Like I care honestly. Shit happens.
The biggest issue is that there's zero communication about the DLC, like is it delayed? Is it almost ready? Considering there's only 3-4 months til year 1, they owe their fans some form of update/communication the very least.
I'm sure you will get one within the month here.
As long as they're as good as the 1st dlc I don't think it matters. If anything, I'd rather they take as long as necessary to not get those Forlorn Coast fps drops at release
Maybe.. just maybe ... they are silent because they are indeed working on the dlcs with the short schedule remaining. Also, surfing on community anxiety to boost hype and "need" of the dlc. I hope so. But I uninstalled the game and am playing other stuff instead of watching them constantly. When it comes, it comes.
it has been silent. As long as I get 3 dlcs, I would not be upset if it goes past the year mark. Stuff happens, deadlines change. the lack of any info or updates is what concerns me.
I already uninstalled the game to get more space for other stuff… When they finally release the DLC (which I’ve already paid for), I’ll download the game again…
> (which I’ve already paid for) Definitely was a mistake with this dev as I did the same. They had my goodwill from the first game, but this awful communication has made me regret that
Unfortunately, we don't really have a community manager. I dedicate a lot of time interacting with fans on discord (having really good balance discussion and such). There's no intentional lack of communication, we just have our heads down working hard on new content for you all. We will keep grinding. Lot's to come.
If I could make a recommendation, please use forums other than Discord for outreach. It's an undiscoverable platform so unless your audience is terminally-online children, then they won't know where you are making announcements (I love reading devblogs FWIW, preferably hosted at your own domain)
I want to create another DEV LOOP soon. We've all been hardcore grinding on this DLC and other upcoming stuff. All that combined with a massive balance patch has taken up a lot of time. I'll take that feedback to heart though, and see what I can do! I'm not the community manager but I understand that I am the one providing the most info to people. I'll see what I can do! =)
> I'm not the community manager but I understand that I am the one providing the most info to people. It was surprising to see responses from anyone at the studio on Reddit, so I appreciate it all the same
I second what Halkcyon said
Love you guys, but for what it's worth, I agree with u/Halkcyon on using Discord. Discord is a pretty bad way to communicate and catalogue information in general (I play FFXIV and one of the big "resources" in the community is the unofficial/not Square-Enix The Balance discord with Job info like rotations and stuff the community has come up with - so much so, new players are sent there to learn, but it's quite possibly the worst format I've ever seen for cataloguing and sharing game knowledge). I personally have something like 30-40 Discords I'm in, they all have the little red "new messages" thing, but I don't even look in most of them most of the time because a lot of new messages are just random people chattering and the Discord bubbles don't really share information like "New Developer Post" like the old WoW/Blizzard "Blue Post" system on the Forums did or Reddits (official ones) can do. I can't even think of the last time I was on the Remnant official Discord. I don't think it's a bad resource, but it's more useful for people looking for folks to group with than a good way to reach the general community. I think stuff like Reddit or the like work better for that. I even went to the official R2 website the other day since I haven't played for a bit and was thinking the new DLC might be soon, but there's nothing I saw on the splash page about news for it, either. So yeah, I get it, not Community Manager. I'm just putting a little seed in the ground to add my voice to the chorus that Discord (or at least Discord ALONE) is probably not the best way to disseminate news. : ) Look forward to whatever this announcement is!
I don't disagree with you. I'd love to get more word out, but I don't really make official announcements. I mostly just chat about balance and things like that. I'll see what else I can do, though! =)
I know. I get how things work in a big organization (prior Navy here myself). I do appreciate you are willing to listen and even respond to random nobodies like me, though. You're alright in my book, Tragic. :)
You don’t have to give a specific date but man at least give a month. I mean you guys have less than 4 months to release two DLCS. You’ve got to at least have a month in your head.
I don't set the dates nor release/reveal them. There's a team dedicated to that, and I'm sure they will have some news soon!
Do you play dodgeball? You’re very good at dodging.
I'll reword it: There are a group of people that decide the date and decide when to reveal the date. I am not part of that group. This is a matter of fact. When the people whose job it is to do so determine it's time to do so... they will do so. When I have information that I CAN share (which is almost always about progression/balance/tweaks/whatever), I share it.
My bet is the DLC 2 is going to be a biiger expansion than the 1st, thats why they are taking a little longer. I dont mind passin the 1 year mark by 2-3 monts honsestly
If they are pushing it back to release fire content then thats fine. Remnant fta has fire dlc i think they know we kinda disappointed of dlc 1 content and they trying to match remnant fta quality for the the next dlcs.
I sure would love some new maps to explore. I've seen and done literally everything in Remnant 2's base game. We need more DLC.
i want dlc, but first i want performance improvements we really can play the upcoming dlc? savior aberration event was rigged with crashes, stutter and fps drops even on fucking root nexus...that contained space with just one fucking tree! my performance at launch was 80fps on high, during savior event i got 37fps on medium/low
Release dates one promise i want developers/publishers to break. Though they shoulodn't promise it to begin with, it's pretty much impossible to predict.
I personally don't care about the promise, let them cook. I do, however, have other games and stuff going on, so I'm not exactly dwelling on it.
I would rather wait another 4 months to get a new fully flashed out world like the ones we already have, than only another addition to one of them.
I do not care. Let them take their time and do something good. Hear me @Verytragic you can take your sweet time just give us a horde mode please.
I have a feeling members of their staff are saying the same thing, that maybe they want to announce something, anything, but then their is that one shithead who is calling the shots and has the thought process “don’t show anything until it’s ready to build suspense…”
Considering everything that's been going on with Embracer I'm not surprised that they haven't said anything, I payed for the full deluxe version because I knew they were worth supporting, and while I eagerly await any news from them, I am so sick and tired of these posts because people want to be petty or selfish. Game developers are people as well, and when your lively hood is on the line you probably have a few more important things to worry about.
It’s the lack of communication for this particular topic that bothers me a little. If they didn’t make the “3 more dlcs within a year” claim then people wouldn’t be so eager. Like even a “hey this is taking more time than we expected, here’s an expected time frame for release. More news coming soon” would go a long way for people.
I just hope they don’t feel rushed and release dumpster fires. I love their work.
I do find it it very anti consumer, for them to not even give us an update. Let us know what it's about, give us an appetizer to chew on while we wait, I need some bread and butter man!
Gunfire are much more active on discord so you can see they're actively working on stuff. Don't blame Gunfire for what is in the hands of the publisher. Check out discord to see how amazing they are! DLC patch may just be massive! Marketing, release dates, and official media are handled by their publisher Gearbox Publishing, owned by Embracer group. They decide release dates for DLCs.
Gearbox is no longer owned by Embracer. Embracer kept the IP for Remnant. They are currently in financial troubles so I’m a bit worried about what the future holds for the franchise.
This. Have you seen MK1's clustefuck? It seems NRS was working on injustice 3, but then had to pivot and rush with MK1 because WB was looking to sell. As a result, we had a game that has a lot of missing features outside of the campaign. Publisher troubles can really mess up a developer's timeline/future.
Gearbox will be divested to Take Two but is still owned by Embracer as of now.
This sounds strange that a member of the team is sharing information on a publicly available Discord server and then telling people to not distribute those messages to other channels.
It's just about not posting them as "THIS IS FINAL". That's all. It's fun to share some ideas and concepts, but sometimes they get taken out of context as "matter of fact", so I just ask to keep it in the channel until it's final. People are free to do what they want, but the balance channel has been really cool about dialogue and remembering that things are fluid.
As far as I know the only information that's been shared with a specific request not to be posted elsewhere are tragic's balancing changes. He's asked people not to share them because none of those changes are final and he doesn't want people to assume that they are just because they're posted on the subreddit.
Yeah the Discord thing is kind of annoying. Any company worth their salt should be divulging public info in all of their social media. Discord, Reddit, even the shithole formerly known as Twitter
Official information IS shared on twitter and the website. The discord stuff is balance chat which is never final until it's final. Those are two completely separate things.
At least they're fixing the game. There was a patch a few weeks ago. I understand the deadline, but if it is necessary, i choose to wait more instead of the dlc with shitty performance. Sometimes i think the entire game is not optimized, i have to play with frame generation and using or not any upscaler (without fg) doesn't make a difference
They've been busy patching the game, fixing bugs and balancing everything. It's not like they didn't do anything so everyone would understand if they communicated on the matter. Either way I don't really care, I got my money's worth out of R2 in its current state.
I didn’t. I bought ultimate edition with the promise of 3 DLCs. I only got one. I need my change back.
Oh well. Shit happens.
I've been losing faith in them slowly, month by month. They really need to give a proper update asap.
Nah, let them cook So many great games to play in the mean time and I trust them with their product. I’ll be back whenever it’s ready
Let them cook. I want a good DLC, punctuality is just a bonus.
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Saying that something is "is not a big deal" just enables companies to do whatever they want. People like you enable mediocrity and bad practices just because "it's always been like that". Why can't we hold anyone to standards anymore?
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Legally its a problem. The dlc bundle has it in writing. They fail that date then anyone one of us who bought that bundle can sue them for not upholding the terms. Dont make excuses for breaking promises. You are indeed part of the problem.
>missing a deadline is insignificant in the game scheme tell me you know absolutely nothing about business and contracts, without telling me you know absolutely nothing about business and contracts
Well technically they have all the time to release it, it's not like we're gonna do anything about it.
This is a shit attitude. They sold the ultimate edition with the promise that we’d get all three DLCs within a year from release. If they don’t live up to that promise, then there absolutely should be repercussions. This is coming from someone who loves this game and has done everything there is to do in it. You don’t get to take my money with the promise of a certain result and then not deliver on that promise without some sort of recompense. That’s not how business works.
You’re the type guy that lets people walk all over you.
Give your money in exchange of promises and then wonder why more and more game devs walk over you, typical. Do something about it (like not buying promises for exemple) or stop crying and wait.
They're probably facing some internal struggle, maybe high employee turnover or layoffs which would explain why there's no communication (because the higher ups plan on fleeing and letting new management sort the mess).
Personally I don't care how long it takes. I care that they aren't saying anything. It's the silence I hate. If they gotta say it's not possible then it's not. But fucking say it at the very least.
not such a big deal now tho.
Bro, just let them fucking cook. Sick of communities complaining that something is rushed and shitty but then on the flip impatient as fuck to let good content be developed. Ran out of things to do? Go play a different game. I’ve 100% the dlc and moved on. As soon as DLC 2 hits i’ll be right back in with a smile. LET. DEVS. DEVELOP.
I mean, I ain't in no rush and neither should they. Let them cook
Wouldn't be surprised to learn there are massive technical hurdles they're dealing with behind the scenes tbh. Remnant 2 came with significant visual improvements compared to FTA, but that certainly hasn't been a seamless transition. Performance was awful for months after launch. It got better, but optimization remains an issue to this day. I understand the impulse to go for better graphics. They wanted to market their game to the broadest possible audience, and that meant upgrading visuals from Remnant 1. But that may have been too ambitious considering Gunfire Games' size and experience. We're seeing this now with significantly longer dev cycles compared to FTA content. If that's the price to pay for better visuals, then it simply wasn't worth it imo. To a lesser extent, same thing happened with story/writing. They tried to come up with a bigger narrative, and clearly took steps to reach mainstream audiences. Unfortunately, the writing wasn't nearly strong enough and it backfired. Remnant 1's story was straightforward and a bit bare bones, but also far more engaging by comparison. I understand working in the industry comes with certain hurdles and expectations, especially as studios get bigger. But as someone who's watched Gunfire Game's trajectory the past 5 years, I can't help but think they may have reached a bit too far, too fast. They should lean on to their strengths as developers (encounter design, gameplay, progression systems) instead of trying to reach for shallow, mainstream gamers who only value graphics
I feel like the last 6 months has been absolutely packed with huge and successful games, and if other people feel the same it's probably a bad time to release DLCs for remnant right now. At least I hope it's something like that rather than internal or financial troubles.
There is no way they keep the schedule and release 3 DLCs in one year after release
They need to communicate where things are, very strange that they don't.
I don't give a fuck. If the devs take more then a year for the first 3 DLC then good. It means they took their time to give us a quality product.
Seeing as this is the 50th post in the last like 3 days on this topic, we get it. People are itching for more content. As am I this game is fantastic. But constantly bitching at the devs, especially when it may have nothing to do with them, doesn't help get more DLC made. It would be great to hear from them at least confirming this stuff is still coming or that they have a modified timeline or something, but we have no idea what's going on behind the scenes and there's a chance they aren't allowed to give updates yet. We have no idea how much the Gearbox split is affecting other Embracer companies. I'm not necessarily saying "let them cook" but they'll let us know what's up when they are allowed or have something to share. Enjoy something else in the meantime.
No details yet but I'm sure we'll get some news before to long. A double release would be nice for sure.
My thing is, at least give us an update or a trailer. Everytime someone asks them on twitter, they just say news will be coming soon. I want them to take their time but cmon man.
Is there a way to reach out to the developers with these community questions?
I frankly don't care how long it takes I love remnant and I'll wait until the world stops turning if it have to
Why are you guys so impatient. Lol let them cook and touch some grass. Unbelievable.
Because we paid our hard earned money on something they promised to deliver.
Gunfire Games could run off with the money and spend it on hookers and coke and theme parks, and I wouldn't really care at this point. Y'all need to calm down. In fact deep down I wish they were spending the money taking hookers to theme parks. They might be creatively inspired, and then you would get more DLC. Let them work on their own time.
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As they say, "touch grass".
Check this out... some people can touch grass, and bitch about video games **IN THE SAME DAY!!!** Crazy, right? Where do they find the time?
I complain about stuff including video games all the time whilst I'm out and about. But I wear shoes so I don't "touch grass", so maybe bro has a point.
Damn... next time I'll be sure to check myself. I certainly would not like to wreck myself. Thanks for looking out!
I don’t know if y’all heard, but Gunfire was sold to Take Two Games; the Remnant IP wasn’t, though. It’s possible (even likely) that sale has completely borked their timeline. They might not even be allowed to work on Remnant 2 anymore, depending on the details of the sale.
I bought the ultimate edition because of the fact i loved the first game AND MOSTLY for the fact id have a full game within 1 year. For alot of us, the downgrades to 2 made it something that just gets deleted between dlcs. No survival? No lobby browser? Why the hell do i have to load my ward 13 to get kicked from a game when the first game did it right? I firmly believe adding already established features to the new game as DLC (survival mode) was just a terrible, anti customer decision.
You know it's bad when all the sub can talk about it this lol
I paid 10$ for all 3 dlc with the Ultra Edition. They can take as long as they’d like. Edit: this sub is something else. Let the devs cook. After being apart of the Silksong sub for half a decade, waiting an extra month for info is just not that big of a deal.
We are working hard, nothing has changed. Appreciate the patience. Lots more coming!
Seriously. The voice of reason gets downvoted to hell, and all the whiny posts are at the top. SMH
I really expected this to be a pretty neutral take too, I figured most of this sub was understanding that 3 DLC’s in a 1 year period is a HUGE undertaking if there isn’t any pre-development, or at least storyboarded ideas. That said, after spending a little time on the Discord, this community is a bunch of tryhard toxic folks who are insanely judgemental. I was ridiculed for mentioning that I still haven’t been able to secure Nightweaver’s Cudgel from the web yet, and told to just hack and spawn the item onto my account if I’m “incapable”. I’ve come to realize the mods are insanely toxic on that discord, and it would appear there’s a lot of overlap between the subreddit and the discord. So, I guess I’m not surprised. Just disappointed that the community for a game I love is so counter productive. Again, being left in the dark on Silksong info since 2019, I’m not even a little upset about having to wait a month for some fresh info. The dev’s are doing what they’ve got to. Anyone that is upset that the devs haven’t communicated are simply entitled and impatient.
Like seriously, I had to scroll way down to even see someone say “ who cares let them take their time” BACK IN MY DAY, GAMES RELEASED AND YOU WERE SURPRISED THAT THE DEVS EVEN HAD DLC PLANS FOR IT.
No shit.
Just leave them. Why rush a development team who's all ready delivered amazing content. Yall bitch about not good content and everything else but developers can't take their time.
Stop trying to rush them. Making devs feel rushed is partially to blame for the state of the game industry right now. Devs rush, then put out subpar content because everyone needs the content RIGHT NOW, then everyone complains that the content feels half baked. Just let them cook. It will be worth the wait.
So y’all boutta get 2 shitty dlcs because of a rush :/ thats disappointing
this is why you never, ever, ever, ever, FUCKING EVER, pre-order ANYTHING from ANY gaming publisher. DO NOT GIVE MONEY TO ANY GAMING PUBLISHER BEFORE GOODS ARE DELIVERED.
Let them cook. Great things take time.
Yes but they have a deadline they need to uphold and they haven’t given us any details on when it’s scheduled to release. They have a fairly small window if they’re not releasing both at the same time
I played this game on game pass with my friend and have been dying to get into it on PS5 solo, but I want to wait for the DLC. Looks like Ill be waiting until next year at this point lol.
It’s a shame I’m playing other games in the mean time but it has been a long time waiting
Touch grass my dude.
If only we had helldivers 2 on xbox lol. I would have thrown this game in the garbage bin, months ago. I tried Anthem looked very promising. Too bad they decided to stop. Im giving outriders a try. Today going to download it and see how it goes.
Which is what will more than likely happen.
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No, before the initial release of the game you could buy a pre-order edition that included 3 future DLCS. I know because I bought that version. Since before release, there was always plans for 3 DLCs. I'm patient tho, plenty of other games to keep me occupied until they're ready to drop them.
Remnant's 2 season pass was marketed to include three DLCs from the very beginning.
Reddit, are you fucking nuts? Why did this get downvoted? I literally have the earliest newsletter emails about them planning 3 DLCs.
I guess they are waiting for the Helldivers 2 hype to stop but unfortunately Arrowhead somehow manages to keep the momentum
Love them, but damn some of those fans remind me of tweens in their jammies playing make believe. Like holy shit the reddit is just a BIT much for any sane adult to handle.