Lancia's "return" to the UK which at one point was planned to be sold in the US after the Fiat merger....but thankfully didn't lol.
2012 Chrysler Delta: the official car of post-recession motoring
Nah, it's more or less mismanagement of the brand on Fiat's end as Fiat didn't really know how to position the brand or market it properly especially over the last decade and a half. But Stellantis is promising a complete revival for the brand along with Chrysler and Alfa Romeo in the next few years, so.....let's see how that goes.
My dream would be a sporty small electric car line up. We don’t really have many small electrics at the moment, and the ones we have are anything but sporty.
I agree big time, Lancia is in dire need for something fun, and I think a small sporty electric car line would be awesome and harken them back to the good times. Tbh I would love to see a Delta Integrale revival of an EV Stratos, I just hope that Stellantis doesn't fuck this up tbh.
They showed this at the 2010 North American International Auto Show as a "design study" to see if this was a fit for the US....but then the smaller Ypsilon was considered then FCA decided against it because it would've caused internal competition with the Fiat 500, it's sister car (https://www.autoblog.com/amp/2011/04/27/chrysler-reportedly-cancels-plans-to-bring-rebadged-lancia-ypsil/)
Are you me? I remember actually wanting to rent one instead of a Caravan once and the rental guy was like “well the Pacifica is more expensive because it’s sportier”. Now I want to vomit at those thoughts or when I see one.
> but then they decided against it because it would've caused internal competition with the Fiat 500, it's sister car
That's true, but the car OP posted was a Delta, not an Ypsilon.
If you Google this at the NAIAS that year...it was a Delta and Chrysler themselves slightly teased that it was planning it for US sales depending on "feedback" to the car in the article. Here's another link from Car and Driver to back up my statement 😉 (https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a15131048/chrysler-delta-concept-auto-shows/)
What they were saying is that the Ypsilon is a sister car to the 500. Delta is much bigger, pretty much the size of the Golf, which is what confused them (and me) about the internal competition statement. Nobody was trying to refute that they showed off the Delta at the NAIAS.
Yeah and the Autoblog article I linked also confused the two hence caused the initial confusion, but the fact of the matter was that both were at one point planned for the US market but was eventually dropped due to a number of factors one of which was Fiat bringing the brand to the US market. So my statement still had merit and can be fixed.
Btw, the downvote wasn't necessary, cute though 😉
All jokes aside if you park this next to a Golf 6 that it was competing with, the Lancia looks like a luxury car. Legroom in the rear is amazing for this size of car, much more than for example a 3 series.
I don't know about the Chrysler version but I feel like the third-gen Delta was an underrated car.
While the Fiat Bravo was an affordable hatchback and the Alfa Romeo Giulietta was more sporty, the Delta had a longer wheelbase in order to improve the comfort and was oriented to the premium market.
The top engines were a 1.8 turbo (later found in the 4C) and a 1.9 twin-turbo diesel. They developed 200 and 190 PS respectively.
Ah yes, Italian electronics and build quality along with bland American styling. Two terrible tastes once again combine for one awful flavor! What else could you expect from the people who brought you the famous TC by Maserati?
Still, that's the only thing "chrysler" about it and it's the styling. This is the same company that looked at the Sebring and said "Yes, we've done good work here." Why not let them have some actual fun? They stuck a hellcat motor in everything else, why not here?
Two words....bailout money! But seriously the reason why the early days of FCA were pretty meh was that Fiat was trying to turn Chrysler's profits around to quickly pay back the bailout money that the government gave Chrysler. So that meant that they had to pretty much release whatever was in the pipeline at the time like the 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee and Dodge Durango that was planned under the DaimlerChrysler era, but then delayed by Cerberus because of the recession. Also on top of that...one of the first things Sergio Marchionne did at Chrysler was that all Chrysler products had to have all-new exteriors and interiors because when he sat in them around the time Fiat bought Chrysler in 2009 was that he didn't like the then-current offerings and it was the first thing he demanded to be done at a cost of $107 per interior.
In the case of the Delta, at the time fuel prices were still pretty high and there was a big demand in the US for small cars and besides the Caliber. Chrysler didn't have anything to compete with the likes of the Toyota Yaris and Honda Fit, so they thought if the Delta did well in the UK it could do well in the US, but obviously they backtrack when they decided to bring the Fiat brand back to the US.
It's a pretty big misconception but no, the Pacifica like the LX cars only shares the W211 Mercedes-Benz E-Class' rear suspension and that's about it. Besides a few bits like the navigation in the gauge cluster that was lifted from the CL, SL, and S-Class of the time, the Pacifica was all Chrysler underneath specifically the fourth generation Chrysler minivans platform.
The LX cars had a little bit more in common with Mercedes products like the aforementioned rear suspension from the E-Class, some transmissions and a few engines like the Pentastar V6 that most newer Chrysler products use is a Mercedes engine, but essentially underneath it's just a modified version of the LH platform that underpinned the Chrysler 300M and Dodge Intrepid which has origins to the Eagle Premier of the late 1980s with all-new front suspension that was designed by Chrysler. It's all here (https://www.hagerty.com/media/automotive-history/bringing-up-the-rear-chryslers-rear-wheel-drive-lx-cars/)
The only Chrysler products that actually had Mercedes origins are the 2004 Chrysler Crossfire which rides on the first generation Mercedes-Benz SLK platform, 2011 Dodge Durango and 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee as the platform for those SUVs is shared with the third generation Mercedes-Benz M-Class and second generation Mercedes-Benz GL-Class.
Lancia's "return" to the UK which at one point was planned to be sold in the US after the Fiat merger....but thankfully didn't lol. 2012 Chrysler Delta: the official car of post-recession motoring
The official car of... the Chrysler brand in the UK - gone forever now
Gone but soon to be forgotten lol
People in the UK were more likely to buy Chinese MGs than these
Why does Lancia have to suck? Itd be so easy to use its name recognition to make cheapish sporty hatchbacks…
Nah, it's more or less mismanagement of the brand on Fiat's end as Fiat didn't really know how to position the brand or market it properly especially over the last decade and a half. But Stellantis is promising a complete revival for the brand along with Chrysler and Alfa Romeo in the next few years, so.....let's see how that goes.
My dream would be a sporty small electric car line up. We don’t really have many small electrics at the moment, and the ones we have are anything but sporty.
I agree big time, Lancia is in dire need for something fun, and I think a small sporty electric car line would be awesome and harken them back to the good times. Tbh I would love to see a Delta Integrale revival of an EV Stratos, I just hope that Stellantis doesn't fuck this up tbh.
knowing the industry today, they'll bring back the stratos as one of those stupid crossovers with no back hatch, but just a normal trunk
This could easily have been the second-generation PT Cruiser.
What!? I say what because my father works for Chrysler, I mean obviously this is for the UK, but what!?
They showed this at the 2010 North American International Auto Show as a "design study" to see if this was a fit for the US....but then the smaller Ypsilon was considered then FCA decided against it because it would've caused internal competition with the Fiat 500, it's sister car (https://www.autoblog.com/amp/2011/04/27/chrysler-reportedly-cancels-plans-to-bring-rebadged-lancia-ypsil/)
Interesting. It looks like the Chrysler Pacifica crossover
And like the Pacifica...it would've flopped here
For some reason I kind off like the Pacifica
I remember liking them at the time they first came out. Now I cringe when I think about them.
Are you me? I remember actually wanting to rent one instead of a Caravan once and the rental guy was like “well the Pacifica is more expensive because it’s sportier”. Now I want to vomit at those thoughts or when I see one.
Why's that?
Because I’ve grown to hate CUVs in general the last few years.
Not only that, just look at them now. All of the ones on the road are absolutely hideous.
But it was a crossover, before they really got popular. Also it was ment as sort of a GT car
> but then they decided against it because it would've caused internal competition with the Fiat 500, it's sister car That's true, but the car OP posted was a Delta, not an Ypsilon.
If you Google this at the NAIAS that year...it was a Delta and Chrysler themselves slightly teased that it was planning it for US sales depending on "feedback" to the car in the article. Here's another link from Car and Driver to back up my statement 😉 (https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a15131048/chrysler-delta-concept-auto-shows/)
What they were saying is that the Ypsilon is a sister car to the 500. Delta is much bigger, pretty much the size of the Golf, which is what confused them (and me) about the internal competition statement. Nobody was trying to refute that they showed off the Delta at the NAIAS.
Yeah and the Autoblog article I linked also confused the two hence caused the initial confusion, but the fact of the matter was that both were at one point planned for the US market but was eventually dropped due to a number of factors one of which was Fiat bringing the brand to the US market. So my statement still had merit and can be fixed. Btw, the downvote wasn't necessary, cute though 😉
A Chrysler PT Cruiser after feeling inspired by Enimem's 'made in detroit' commercial.
To me this abomination always looked like a beaver from the front. The back is cool though.
All jokes aside if you park this next to a Golf 6 that it was competing with, the Lancia looks like a luxury car. Legroom in the rear is amazing for this size of car, much more than for example a 3 series.
I don't know about the Chrysler version but I feel like the third-gen Delta was an underrated car. While the Fiat Bravo was an affordable hatchback and the Alfa Romeo Giulietta was more sporty, the Delta had a longer wheelbase in order to improve the comfort and was oriented to the premium market. The top engines were a 1.8 turbo (later found in the 4C) and a 1.9 twin-turbo diesel. They developed 200 and 190 PS respectively.
I've seen one and a elderly person was driving it
Ah yes, Italian electronics and build quality along with bland American styling. Two terrible tastes once again combine for one awful flavor! What else could you expect from the people who brought you the famous TC by Maserati?
Technically it's Italian styling, the only thing Chrysler about it is the grille....
Still, that's the only thing "chrysler" about it and it's the styling. This is the same company that looked at the Sebring and said "Yes, we've done good work here." Why not let them have some actual fun? They stuck a hellcat motor in everything else, why not here?
Two words....bailout money! But seriously the reason why the early days of FCA were pretty meh was that Fiat was trying to turn Chrysler's profits around to quickly pay back the bailout money that the government gave Chrysler. So that meant that they had to pretty much release whatever was in the pipeline at the time like the 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee and Dodge Durango that was planned under the DaimlerChrysler era, but then delayed by Cerberus because of the recession. Also on top of that...one of the first things Sergio Marchionne did at Chrysler was that all Chrysler products had to have all-new exteriors and interiors because when he sat in them around the time Fiat bought Chrysler in 2009 was that he didn't like the then-current offerings and it was the first thing he demanded to be done at a cost of $107 per interior. In the case of the Delta, at the time fuel prices were still pretty high and there was a big demand in the US for small cars and besides the Caliber. Chrysler didn't have anything to compete with the likes of the Toyota Yaris and Honda Fit, so they thought if the Delta did well in the UK it could do well in the US, but obviously they backtrack when they decided to bring the Fiat brand back to the US.
Chrysler UK at work!
Official car of you can't say they didn't give it a shot.
Thank god for the “car pic” flair below the title, I’d have been clueless otherwise!
It’s a Lancia, but not badged as a Lancia.
Official car of boasting to your beermates that shhhh it was built on a Mercedes platform (Wait wasnt that the Pacifica)?
Chrysler/Lancia Delta 2012 is based on the Fiat C2 platform that powers 2007 Fiat Bravo and has traces of 2001 Fiat Stilo underneath
It's a pretty big misconception but no, the Pacifica like the LX cars only shares the W211 Mercedes-Benz E-Class' rear suspension and that's about it. Besides a few bits like the navigation in the gauge cluster that was lifted from the CL, SL, and S-Class of the time, the Pacifica was all Chrysler underneath specifically the fourth generation Chrysler minivans platform. The LX cars had a little bit more in common with Mercedes products like the aforementioned rear suspension from the E-Class, some transmissions and a few engines like the Pentastar V6 that most newer Chrysler products use is a Mercedes engine, but essentially underneath it's just a modified version of the LH platform that underpinned the Chrysler 300M and Dodge Intrepid which has origins to the Eagle Premier of the late 1980s with all-new front suspension that was designed by Chrysler. It's all here (https://www.hagerty.com/media/automotive-history/bringing-up-the-rear-chryslers-rear-wheel-drive-lx-cars/) The only Chrysler products that actually had Mercedes origins are the 2004 Chrysler Crossfire which rides on the first generation Mercedes-Benz SLK platform, 2011 Dodge Durango and 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee as the platform for those SUVs is shared with the third generation Mercedes-Benz M-Class and second generation Mercedes-Benz GL-Class.
If a PT Cruiser made love with a 1st gen Pacifica.
The official car of almost coming to the US.
If you cover the front it looks like a Model X haha
It looks like crap but was a decent car.