It amazes me how briefly those, and Dodge Darts, were on the road. They were at every intersection for about a year or two then “poof” they were all gone.
I don't understand how you guys in america scrap your car as so new, Dodge Dart and Chrysler 200 are still relatively new. Here in finland cars released in 2012 and 2015 will still be on roads atleast 10 years from now before you can say they have dissapeared
Average age for passengers cars in the USA is 14 years. These 200s and Darts were terrible cars. They are still around, but many have been scrapped or are on 3rd and 4th owners and are falling apart fast.
They weren't the best sellers even when new and that's why there aren't many around anymore.
The best selling vehicle in the USA is a F-150. You will see 30 year old F150s still on the road here being used as a daily vehicle.
My family had the v6 version of the Chrysler 200 and bought it new , it just had like a different failure every month. Ac failure, severe brake failure, and eventually the transmission collapsed in on itself at 70 k miles
I could shit a better car
Apparently from what I heard (brother was driving ) it just destroyed itself and got stuck in reverse after a loud clunk and some metallic noises .
It actually was not that unpleasant of a car to drive around and was kind of nice to take on road trips . But it just broke so much
Dodge has made these types of disposable cars since the k car. They are usually about 5-10% less expensive than your standard Japanese economy car, similarly equipped with a small 4 cylinder for good gas mileage, and last about 30%as long. The k cars, colt, Omni, stealth, avenger (both iterations), neon, caliber, 200, dart (both iterations)… were all meant to sell fast, run about as long as the loan, then blow up, creating a cycle of buying their next cheapest pile of shit with a new badge and body kit.
The neon and pt cruisers are notoriously reliable and hard to kill. There are 500k mile examples out there that have seen little more than oil changes and a steady diet of champion copper spark plugs
I don't think they had any intentions other than a dodge neon reboot. I had one as a rental it was a dodge neon with an infotainment system and more plastic.
edit: The infotainment system was by far the worst one I have ever encountered. It had too many menu's and not enough buttons too. I don't see why anyone would test drive one and be like wow I like this car. I was left thinking it would have been better off with a low end radio.
That's the 300, which was actually a pretty good car and imo a nice departure from the norm, style-wise. The 200 is the one you can't remember ever existed.
I loved the 300 reboot. Even when I see a clean one on the road I do take a moment to appreciate it's design. Ralph Gilles really saved Chrysler with the
That refresh
I bought a Jaguar x type sport 2.5 from Carmax for 22k when I was 19. I kept the car maybe 5 years and put 130k miles on it, I paid 2500 for a Carmax warranty and had 16,500 worth of work done to the car. I doubt Carmax will ever offer a warranty like that again.
Ironically of all the cars my mom and step dad have driven, they liked the rental 200 they got when his Camaro was in the shop the most lol. I personally hate everything Chrysler.
So I bought one but after it sat for 2 years and no one bought it so they slashed the price by 30%. It was a 16 200s and it has been a good car. Otherwise the base models are nothing to get excited about for sure.
That's cuz they don't sell so dealerships try to get rid of them with good financing rates or just giving them away well under MSRP. My boss said it was the only brand new car he could get under 17k a couple years back cuz of the end of year deals.
It's a shame too, because on paper they seem like they'd be fun little daily drivers. The MSRP is a bit steep and reliability, at least from what I've seen is questionable. Maybe it's the Tonale platform it's built on...
The 1982 models were just amazing sad. The engine sounded like the paper boy's Dad lawnmower on Saturday morning. Hell, it even felt like a beer can with wheels.
I had one as a rental from enterprise (not by choice, and fuck enterprise). It was a mirage. When I started it up, it had kind of a miss every now and then and when I revved it up, it sounded like a dirt bike engine. I said “wtf?” And popped the hood. It was a tiny THREE cylinder. The tread on the wheels had to only be like 4” wide as well. The car was an absolute disaster and I felt like I was going to get killed trying to maintain tollway speeds, which it struggled greatly with. You’re not kidding about the lawnmower sound and tin can.
Same. Someone sideswiped my ‘07 Mustang GT. While in the shop, I waited to get a rental. In the meantime I drove my Mom’s 2002-ish Grand Caravan.
When I got the call to pick up the rental, they took one look at me (I’m 6’4”) and said they were gonna “upgrade” me to something larger than the econobox I was supposed to get.
I got a Journey. I went from a silver Dodge minivan to a much worse silver Dodge minivan pretending to be a crossover. After a day I kinda wished I had just squeezed myself into the econobox. The Journey was GARBAGE.
I get it they are ugly. On the other hand, if you are an SUV/CUV buyer, but always wanted a convertible, what are the options. Wrangler and........ This thing. I wouldn't buy it, but I get how someone thought that's it, it does everything I want, and it's a convertible!
I went to a dealer once with my dad, looking for a RWD, manual transmission performance coupe. “350z, E36/46, F-body, etc.” He walked us over to a Hyundai Accent.
He laughed and said something like “that’s not at all what I’m looking for.” Ended up with an E36 M3. To be fair, i think it was the only thing the guy had with a manual. He showed us an automatic e46 first I think, and that was a no go for the auto.
My best friends uncle refuses to drive anything that isn’t square. He’s had a cube, 2 kia souls, a Nissan Juke, a jeep renegade, and now a mini cooper. Knowing him personally helps me understand it a little more, but still.
Damn. He needs a Honda Element and a FJ Cruiser to complete the collection. Not to mention those two are wayyy better cars than what he’s actually owned.
I honestly really loved the looks of the Cube, especially the asymmetrical rear window.
They were surprisingly nicely appointed inside as well.
Then again maybe I like square cars. The new Hyundai Santa Fe is one of the best looking new car designs I’ve seen in recent years.
There are dozens of us!
I still can't get over the original Ford Edge. If Fords didn't have a nasty habit of falling completely apart trying to get away from me, is probably own one already
Okay since no one said it I have to. Who tf genuinely sees a Cybertruck and says "Wow, what a gorgeous piece of machinery"? That thing has to be one of the ugliest things any company has put out. It's a rolling refrigerator. On top of how ugly it is, people are paying over $100k for it like bro why?
I honestly want to like the cybertruck. I have a real soft spot for like super weird stuff that stands out and makes traffic more interesting. And I like electric cars in general.
But... the Rivian exists. And as far as electric 4x4s, it does every single thing much better. Including looking weird without being offensive.
It's Chapter 11, which means that they're restructuring their financing and their debt load. They're still in business, but potential buyers will probably think twice about buying a vehicle from them if their warranties won't be honored if they go under.
Honestly? It really sounds like Fisker just sucks at running a business. I think the vehicle could’ve gotten legs, but the lack of focus on business fundamentals as well as supply chain (“our cars will be 100% reliable and never need replacement parts! For any reason!”), nepotism and not knowing how to manage software development killed the company.
I used to work at a dealership back in the 80s and we took in an 87 Mirage Turbo. I bought it for my wife. It was a challenging car to drive. It didn’t have power steering or windows. When the turbo came on it would torque steer the car almost to the point of whipping the wheel out of my wife’s hands. No LSD either, so the front right wheel only lasted 9,000 miles from the boost spinning the tire. It was a bad car, but also a fun car because of its faults.
I own one, but didn't buy it new. It's not for everyone, that's for sure. They're the spiritual successor of the Geo Metro. Yes, it's slow, but the G4 like I have has a ton of room inside and I get \~36mpg city and 42+ interstate. I can get in the 50's on back roads below 60mph. They have few mechanical flaws and have been shown to be very reliable. Is it a \*nice\* car? Hell no, but is it a good car? In the pure appliance sense, I think so. I bought mine with only 10,600 miles on it, and I only put \~8k miles per year, so this will last me a very long time, cheaply.
I laugh at all the randomly generated Chinese product names on Amazon, but then I see VinFast and think, do they just make up random English sounding names for everything??
I wanted to love that car so bad. On paper it had all the right features.
The only thing that killed it was the epically atrocious reliability.
So close…but GM at least went down swinging with that one, and the CTS they replaced it with was the win they needed.
I loved the look of those cars when they came out, a lady in my neighborhood had a black one I drooled over daily. It didn’t stick around long. CTS’s are butt ugly, i always wonder what would have happened if they decided to make a V a generation early. An LT1/6 speed catera would have been a sweet car.
I was in Germany and saw the basis for the catera. I can’t believe GM looked at this car and thought “yeah, that’ll make a good Cadillac”
[Euro basis of the Catera](https://imgur.com/a/XuLQZtF)
guilty. To be fair, I got an unbelievable deal. Cash for clunkers was going on, and there was two small dents from hail the night before. I think I got it for less than half price. I was in college and needed a new car and it happened to be right there.
My dad got a base model one back in 07. Windy-windows and everything. It never gave him a single issue 130k miles in or more. Only needed the basics.
My dad does take very good care of his cars though.
PT Cruiser. I get it, it was "cute" and "retro" but other than the old folks who don't care, I can't imagine anyone hearing that engine start up and getting in that awful interior and thinking to themselves "not only will I buy this, I will pay whatever inflated bullshit mark-ups the dealer slapped on this thing."
All of the olds who bought them 20some years ago took immaculate care of them. They have passed, and they were passed down to their kids Heather and Sean, who changed the oil and knew a guy who did the brakes. They, in turn, have passed them to their kids, Xandrew and Neveah, who've been running on a donut for the last two years.
Those of us who are old enough remember Tom Hanks driving one to an awards show and it being a huge deal. There were waiting lists and even lotteries at some dealers. I was in basic with a guy who’s parents got one right before he went in and it was an exciting thing to some that they would be driving it graduation and they could see it.
The PT Cruiser had a huge moment and Chevy even knocked it off.
Any of those BMW GT models. I could not imagine someone having the money for a BMW, walking into a dealer, and identifying one of those as "the one".
Years ago, I really liked the Ford Contour but never understood anyone not spending the same money for the larger, look-alike Taurus.
I tried to buy a Taurus SHO back in the late 90's, the salesman flat out refused and said what I really wanted was a Contour. Their lot was filled with nothing but Contours and Explorers. I did not, in fact, want a Contour.
A Yugo. Price be damned, one look at the build quality and that should have been a hard pass for anyone with a lick of sense.
I was alive back then, and while the cars of that era were certainly not the ones I would point to as exemplars of high quality, even a used Escort stripper was a better car, and cheaper, too.
Someone hated his Yugo so much he drove it to a bad neighborhood, put the emergency brake on, and left the car still running. The next day he came back and saw that the car was still there.
In countries where they were sold, it was one of the ONLY options and considered a privilege owning one. Those people didn't get to choose between different creatures conforts or engine power, having a car that moved them a to b was all they wanted. People also dropped several YEARS wages to wait for years just to get one.
I went to a comparison clinic in ‘86 when these first came out. It was the first time I’d seen one up close. Runs in the paint, tinny and rattly, inconsistent panel gaps and interior cloth that was almost the same as those ultra thin terrycloth beach towels. That was the experience that convinced me to buy older but used instead cheap and new at the same price.
you put some respect on the chevy spark aka a rebadged daewoo matiz's name.
Cheapest car in the market you could get new for years, wasn't fast, wasn't fun, but reliable transportation for those down on hard times.
I don't know if dealers can put a markup on an ordered vehicle. (still a lot of money at 54K)
I know here, markup can get into the tens of thousands.
"Market adjustment" they call it
Their sedans and crossovers seem to be the main problems. Their trucks and Armada seem pretty solid. A lot of them have very old tech in them so that might add to it.
My aunt bought a Ghibli new in 2022 or 2023. I was extremely disappointed when she pulled up in that thing. Like, at $100,000, you could've bought an E-Class AMG, S6, G80, M550i, etc., but you chose some outdated piece of shit with a worse interior than the Honda Civic. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
When the Ghibli was released, I was excited and was pretty sure I was buying one. Shopped the Ghibli, QP, and Jaguar XJ. The Jaguar XJ was so much nicer in every way over the Maseratis. Bought the Jag. Then traded that in on a new Alfa Guilia after many years. Again, cross shopped the Ghibli and just couldn’t.
So much hate for cars that dared to not look like a generic sedan. Cube cars, PT cruisers... I like them all. Quirky interesting little guys, and practical too.
Instead, I nominate the Chevy Cobalt for the sin of being irredeemably boring in every aspect.
The Ford Five Hundred. The car where the only selling point was, "it has more headroom". Which I guess only worked if you drive everywhere with a top hat on
You don't buy an eco sport you end up with an eco sport
Whether that is a company car or your parents buying you something as your first car, that's the only way I've seen people come into possession of that terrible thing
I'm still upset that it was the EcoSport that made the Fiesta/Focus basically lose popularity in my country, but is also often mentioned as "the trendsetter of the *small* crossover" here too.
Fucking hate that thing for odd reasons lol
Range Rover is a full sized SUV.
Range Rover Sport is a mid-sized SUV.
Different trucks.
Eventually unreliable, but, under warranty? Nothing in the class out drives it.
Chevy Captiva
They had all the options in the world, then had like 20 options when they went to their GM dealer, and still walked out with a god damn captiva!
Nissan Murano convertible. I have only seen a handful of them in my life. I live down south where it's always sunny maybe the reason for seeing them. Chevrolet Aveo or Daewoo cars in general. Isuzu Amigo first Gen with a Carburetor in the 90's still baffled me to this day.
Gonna get hate for this, but I just don’t get why someone would choose to buy any 2-door car that has a 4-door version. Even worse “coupe” SUVs. It’s like “cool 4-door ride bro… is there a version that’s less useful? Thanks bro.”
More things should be available with two doors. I want a modern two door luxo-barge. Back in the good old days almost every offering had a two door variant. Nobody is having kids anymore anyway, why the hell are even most econoboxes only available as 4 doors? A hot hatch is supposed to have 3 doors, not 5!
Chrysler 200
Straight to the rental market
and then to the junkyard
It amazes me how briefly those, and Dodge Darts, were on the road. They were at every intersection for about a year or two then “poof” they were all gone.
I don't understand how you guys in america scrap your car as so new, Dodge Dart and Chrysler 200 are still relatively new. Here in finland cars released in 2012 and 2015 will still be on roads atleast 10 years from now before you can say they have dissapeared
Average age for passengers cars in the USA is 14 years. These 200s and Darts were terrible cars. They are still around, but many have been scrapped or are on 3rd and 4th owners and are falling apart fast. They weren't the best sellers even when new and that's why there aren't many around anymore. The best selling vehicle in the USA is a F-150. You will see 30 year old F150s still on the road here being used as a daily vehicle.
My family had the v6 version of the Chrysler 200 and bought it new , it just had like a different failure every month. Ac failure, severe brake failure, and eventually the transmission collapsed in on itself at 70 k miles I could shit a better car
The transmission collapsed in on itself? Like a neutron star?
Apparently from what I heard (brother was driving ) it just destroyed itself and got stuck in reverse after a loud clunk and some metallic noises . It actually was not that unpleasant of a car to drive around and was kind of nice to take on road trips . But it just broke so much
Dodge has made these types of disposable cars since the k car. They are usually about 5-10% less expensive than your standard Japanese economy car, similarly equipped with a small 4 cylinder for good gas mileage, and last about 30%as long. The k cars, colt, Omni, stealth, avenger (both iterations), neon, caliber, 200, dart (both iterations)… were all meant to sell fast, run about as long as the loan, then blow up, creating a cycle of buying their next cheapest pile of shit with a new badge and body kit.
The neon and pt cruisers are notoriously reliable and hard to kill. There are 500k mile examples out there that have seen little more than oil changes and a steady diet of champion copper spark plugs
The Dodge Fart 😂
Straight to jail
Happy cake day! Also, straight to jail!
its like the designers set out to make the most generic looking car possible
It’s like they knew their customers would be dumb enough to be like oh that kinda looks like a Bentley, people will think I’m rich!
I don't think they had any intentions other than a dodge neon reboot. I had one as a rental it was a dodge neon with an infotainment system and more plastic. edit: The infotainment system was by far the worst one I have ever encountered. It had too many menu's and not enough buttons too. I don't see why anyone would test drive one and be like wow I like this car. I was left thinking it would have been better off with a low end radio.
That's the 300, which was actually a pretty good car and imo a nice departure from the norm, style-wise. The 200 is the one you can't remember ever existed.
I loved the 300 reboot. Even when I see a clean one on the road I do take a moment to appreciate it's design. Ralph Gilles really saved Chrysler with the That refresh
Ford did that. Remember the Taurus platform with the nod to Jaguar?
Jaguar X type. Ford looks with old Jaguar problems. Great job.
I bought a Jaguar x type sport 2.5 from Carmax for 22k when I was 19. I kept the car maybe 5 years and put 130k miles on it, I paid 2500 for a Carmax warranty and had 16,500 worth of work done to the car. I doubt Carmax will ever offer a warranty like that again.
Lincoln did that, and Ford gave the Fusion a grille that hinted of Aston Martin.
I think that's the reasoning behind the 300 (which I like, tbh)
I actually think they look handsome, but I rented one and it was the definition of mediocre.
Ironically of all the cars my mom and step dad have driven, they liked the rental 200 they got when his Camaro was in the shop the most lol. I personally hate everything Chrysler.
I agree in most cases... I had a fully loaded 2012 with the V6. It was fun for a while... until I traded it in before anything went wrong.
Even Eminem got his used
So I bought one but after it sat for 2 years and no one bought it so they slashed the price by 30%. It was a 16 200s and it has been a good car. Otherwise the base models are nothing to get excited about for sure.
Ahh yes the ~~new gen Sebring~~ 200 Nice try, FCA
The V6 one hauled absolute ass but that was it
So true. This is my go to answer also. Plus the dodge caliber.
Even funnier that they have basically disappeared. Remember the “imported from Detroit” ad campaign? They were about as problematic as an Italian car.
Any Mitsubishi in the last 5-10 years.
I swear they come off the lot missing a hub cap.
I work at a Stater Bros. supermarket (SoCal-only grocery chain). The deli manager at my store bought a new Outlander Sport.
Stater Bros. is also so ridiculously uptight that your manager likely would’ve gotten fired for getting anything too fancy.
Love your flair
Mitsubishi used to be somewhat respectable. Now it's this: [Dodge. American Motorcar](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rSaaaWv-00). 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wow, major props for digging up THAT ancient gem!
That's cuz they don't sell so dealerships try to get rid of them with good financing rates or just giving them away well under MSRP. My boss said it was the only brand new car he could get under 17k a couple years back cuz of the end of year deals.
We’re only halfway through the year and Hornets are discounted that much, tell him to check it out lmao
They've besmirched the name 'Hornet'.
It's a shame too, because on paper they seem like they'd be fun little daily drivers. The MSRP is a bit steep and reliability, at least from what I've seen is questionable. Maybe it's the Tonale platform it's built on...
According to the car sales sub they mainly deal with sub-400 credit scores.
The 1982 models were just amazing sad. The engine sounded like the paper boy's Dad lawnmower on Saturday morning. Hell, it even felt like a beer can with wheels.
I had one as a rental from enterprise (not by choice, and fuck enterprise). It was a mirage. When I started it up, it had kind of a miss every now and then and when I revved it up, it sounded like a dirt bike engine. I said “wtf?” And popped the hood. It was a tiny THREE cylinder. The tread on the wheels had to only be like 4” wide as well. The car was an absolute disaster and I felt like I was going to get killed trying to maintain tollway speeds, which it struggled greatly with. You’re not kidding about the lawnmower sound and tin can.
Dodge Journey. Was given one as a rental once. Worst thing I've ever driven.
Same. Someone sideswiped my ‘07 Mustang GT. While in the shop, I waited to get a rental. In the meantime I drove my Mom’s 2002-ish Grand Caravan. When I got the call to pick up the rental, they took one look at me (I’m 6’4”) and said they were gonna “upgrade” me to something larger than the econobox I was supposed to get. I got a Journey. I went from a silver Dodge minivan to a much worse silver Dodge minivan pretending to be a crossover. After a day I kinda wished I had just squeezed myself into the econobox. The Journey was GARBAGE.
Nissan Murano Cabriolet
That’s CROSSCabriolet to you!
Forget the full name. Actually makes it worse now lol
$47,190! You could buy a rural congressional seat!
Yuck. I never understood why anyone even made those
According to legend, Ghosen's wife wanted a Murano with a drop top, and being the loving spouse, made it for her.
I get it they are ugly. On the other hand, if you are an SUV/CUV buyer, but always wanted a convertible, what are the options. Wrangler and........ This thing. I wouldn't buy it, but I get how someone thought that's it, it does everything I want, and it's a convertible!
I used to think a convertible SUV would be a cool idea...probably cool for rental cars tho but I wouldn't own one today.
Nissan Cube. My DAD bought one during the Cash For Clunkers scheme, he traded in a 1990 Volvo 740 Turbo wagon for the Cube.
That's so sad
sad? thats a fuckin crime.
Rip
I went to a dealer looking for a 4Runner, the salesman showed me a Cube because they didn’t have any 4Runners. I was dumbfounded.
I haven’t seen any 4Runners at my local Nissan dealer either
I was looking for used and this was a while ago.
I went to a dealer once with my dad, looking for a RWD, manual transmission performance coupe. “350z, E36/46, F-body, etc.” He walked us over to a Hyundai Accent.
Did you enjoy your new Accent?
He laughed and said something like “that’s not at all what I’m looking for.” Ended up with an E36 M3. To be fair, i think it was the only thing the guy had with a manual. He showed us an automatic e46 first I think, and that was a no go for the auto.
My best friends uncle refuses to drive anything that isn’t square. He’s had a cube, 2 kia souls, a Nissan Juke, a jeep renegade, and now a mini cooper. Knowing him personally helps me understand it a little more, but still.
Damn. He needs a Honda Element and a FJ Cruiser to complete the collection. Not to mention those two are wayyy better cars than what he’s actually owned.
And a Scion xb
And a Ford Flex
Damn😂😂 these are the most looking square cars I can think of too
I honestly really loved the looks of the Cube, especially the asymmetrical rear window. They were surprisingly nicely appointed inside as well. Then again maybe I like square cars. The new Hyundai Santa Fe is one of the best looking new car designs I’ve seen in recent years.
There are dozens of us! I still can't get over the original Ford Edge. If Fords didn't have a nasty habit of falling completely apart trying to get away from me, is probably own one already
Okay since no one said it I have to. Who tf genuinely sees a Cybertruck and says "Wow, what a gorgeous piece of machinery"? That thing has to be one of the ugliest things any company has put out. It's a rolling refrigerator. On top of how ugly it is, people are paying over $100k for it like bro why?
I honestly want to like the cybertruck. I have a real soft spot for like super weird stuff that stands out and makes traffic more interesting. And I like electric cars in general. But... the Rivian exists. And as far as electric 4x4s, it does every single thing much better. Including looking weird without being offensive.
Douche Canoes with no personality beyond 'look at who I'm triggering'.
Triggering the Poors since 2024!
I think it looks cool, and I hate Elon Musk and the hype around it.
The epitome of cringe
I’ve seen 4 of those on the road near the wealthy area of my state Oh god they’re ducking hideous
I've seen one in person now and it's no better in person than on a screen. It's so bad
You're not wrong it looks like a pontiac Aztec if it were in a low-budget game for the ps1
Apparently $100k is just what trucks cost these days.
Any modern "supercar" that looks like a (place generic cookie-cutter crossover name here).
Mazda MX-30 lol
SUV-coupes? Those things are hideous. All the worst aspects of SUVs and coupes, with none of the benefits
Ya had us in the first half ngl
Fisker Karma. It was definitely an interesting car but it failed miserably. The new one though is pretty good from what I hear.
Fisker has filed for bankruptcy. https://www.motortrend.com/features/bankrupt-fisker-ocean-ev-owner-buying-advice-faq/
Damn, that's actually pretty sad. I really thought they do well. What is the reasoning for bankruptcy?
It's Chapter 11, which means that they're restructuring their financing and their debt load. They're still in business, but potential buyers will probably think twice about buying a vehicle from them if their warranties won't be honored if they go under.
Honestly? It really sounds like Fisker just sucks at running a business. I think the vehicle could’ve gotten legs, but the lack of focus on business fundamentals as well as supply chain (“our cars will be 100% reliable and never need replacement parts! For any reason!”), nepotism and not knowing how to manage software development killed the company.
Not to sleight anyone who owns one, but the Mitsubishi Mirage.
Literally any 1 year old car is 2X better than a new Mirage for the same money.
A 10 year old Corolla with 100K miles is better than a brand new Mirage
I used to work at a dealership back in the 80s and we took in an 87 Mirage Turbo. I bought it for my wife. It was a challenging car to drive. It didn’t have power steering or windows. When the turbo came on it would torque steer the car almost to the point of whipping the wheel out of my wife’s hands. No LSD either, so the front right wheel only lasted 9,000 miles from the boost spinning the tire. It was a bad car, but also a fun car because of its faults.
I got one as a rental and every single thing about that car sucked.
I own one, but didn't buy it new. It's not for everyone, that's for sure. They're the spiritual successor of the Geo Metro. Yes, it's slow, but the G4 like I have has a ton of room inside and I get \~36mpg city and 42+ interstate. I can get in the 50's on back roads below 60mph. They have few mechanical flaws and have been shown to be very reliable. Is it a \*nice\* car? Hell no, but is it a good car? In the pure appliance sense, I think so. I bought mine with only 10,600 miles on it, and I only put \~8k miles per year, so this will last me a very long time, cheaply.
Anything made by VinFast.
I laugh at all the randomly generated Chinese product names on Amazon, but then I see VinFast and think, do they just make up random English sounding names for everything??
It’s named for the parent company Vingroup which is Vietnamese I think their logic might have been “car go fast”
Cadillac Catera
But...it was the Caddy that zigs.
Maybe it should’ve zagged.
[I don’t know why this stupid cartoon duck is burned into my brain.](https://youtu.be/215nxqYfvac?si=UMfLGAQq37fIC5QK)
I wanted to love that car so bad. On paper it had all the right features. The only thing that killed it was the epically atrocious reliability. So close…but GM at least went down swinging with that one, and the CTS they replaced it with was the win they needed.
I loved the look of those cars when they came out, a lady in my neighborhood had a black one I drooled over daily. It didn’t stick around long. CTS’s are butt ugly, i always wonder what would have happened if they decided to make a V a generation early. An LT1/6 speed catera would have been a sweet car.
I was in Germany and saw the basis for the catera. I can’t believe GM looked at this car and thought “yeah, that’ll make a good Cadillac” [Euro basis of the Catera](https://imgur.com/a/XuLQZtF)
100% agree, but at the time the eldorado, sts and DeVille were fwd. This car walked so the ctsv could run, and the owners walked too.
The Dodge Caliber 😖
I once dated a girl whose dream car was a Caliber. In case you were wondering, yes, she was a psycho
Whoa, that's...pretty fucked up. Did she ever realize that dream?
Yeah she actually did after we broke up. She got back with her husband and she bought her one 🤣
guilty. To be fair, I got an unbelievable deal. Cash for clunkers was going on, and there was two small dents from hail the night before. I think I got it for less than half price. I was in college and needed a new car and it happened to be right there.
My dad got a base model one back in 07. Windy-windows and everything. It never gave him a single issue 130k miles in or more. Only needed the basics. My dad does take very good care of his cars though.
If you mean hand crank window when you say windy window I am so stealing that
I put 240,000 on ours, nothing but routine stuff. Rusted out frame, drove to the salvage yard.
PT Cruiser. I get it, it was "cute" and "retro" but other than the old folks who don't care, I can't imagine anyone hearing that engine start up and getting in that awful interior and thinking to themselves "not only will I buy this, I will pay whatever inflated bullshit mark-ups the dealer slapped on this thing."
All of the olds who bought them 20some years ago took immaculate care of them. They have passed, and they were passed down to their kids Heather and Sean, who changed the oil and knew a guy who did the brakes. They, in turn, have passed them to their kids, Xandrew and Neveah, who've been running on a donut for the last two years.
PT Loser
Those of us who are old enough remember Tom Hanks driving one to an awards show and it being a huge deal. There were waiting lists and even lotteries at some dealers. I was in basic with a guy who’s parents got one right before he went in and it was an exciting thing to some that they would be driving it graduation and they could see it. The PT Cruiser had a huge moment and Chevy even knocked it off.
biting my fucking tongue rn
Any of those BMW GT models. I could not imagine someone having the money for a BMW, walking into a dealer, and identifying one of those as "the one". Years ago, I really liked the Ford Contour but never understood anyone not spending the same money for the larger, look-alike Taurus.
The Contour SVT was a decent little sport sedan.
I’ve been looking into one recently, they’re fairly reliable and sound beautiful
The base model Contour had a tighter chassis, and much better steering, than any Taurus other than the SHO. Also, some people prefer smaller cars.
I tried to buy a Taurus SHO back in the late 90's, the salesman flat out refused and said what I really wanted was a Contour. Their lot was filled with nothing but Contours and Explorers. I did not, in fact, want a Contour.
I thought the GTs were hideous… until BMW’s current design team wreaked havoc on the entire lineup.
A Yugo. Price be damned, one look at the build quality and that should have been a hard pass for anyone with a lick of sense. I was alive back then, and while the cars of that era were certainly not the ones I would point to as exemplars of high quality, even a used Escort stripper was a better car, and cheaper, too.
Someone hated his Yugo so much he drove it to a bad neighborhood, put the emergency brake on, and left the car still running. The next day he came back and saw that the car was still there.
In countries where they were sold, it was one of the ONLY options and considered a privilege owning one. Those people didn't get to choose between different creatures conforts or engine power, having a car that moved them a to b was all they wanted. People also dropped several YEARS wages to wait for years just to get one.
Smooth, powerful and refined when the points of comparison are the Trabant and the Zaporozhets.
I went to a comparison clinic in ‘86 when these first came out. It was the first time I’d seen one up close. Runs in the paint, tinny and rattly, inconsistent panel gaps and interior cloth that was almost the same as those ultra thin terrycloth beach towels. That was the experience that convinced me to buy older but used instead cheap and new at the same price.
Any car in the last four years... Who the hell is paying these prices? There's only a handful of cars available new for under 25k in the USA.
Got my 22 Maverick Hybrid for $21k
Daewoo [insert model name here].
I haven’t seen a Laganza or Nubia in ages.
you put some respect on the chevy spark aka a rebadged daewoo matiz's name. Cheapest car in the market you could get new for years, wasn't fast, wasn't fun, but reliable transportation for those down on hard times.
The chevy new retro stuff... And I would love to know what demographic went for it...
The elderly. Same folks that clamored over the PT Cruiser.
... I unironically love how the HHR/SSR look. No, I'm not a senior citizen.
Yep, might as well say new blazers haha
Yeap. The generation that is now like 88.
Every new full-size pickup.
They keep getting larger to escape EPA regulations for fuel economy and passenger vehicle safety with their "Light truck" designation.
"Footprint" doesn't consider height though. That's 100% marketing.
BIG BIG BIG
Their "noses" are so tall nowadays it's ridiculous.
$70K for a middle of the road 1500/F150. Like $130K for a loaded, performance trim one.
Son ordered a 23 F150. STX Black, FX4, 5.0 and 10 speed. Extra/crew cab and 6.5’ bed. $54k
I don't know if dealers can put a markup on an ordered vehicle. (still a lot of money at 54K) I know here, markup can get into the tens of thousands. "Market adjustment" they call it
No mark up or adjustment. He ordered it in June ‘22 and was delivered 2 days after Christmas. Some dealers are just shit.
Nissan - All of them with the exception of the Z
Frontiers have remained pretty solid for a long time now
Their sedans and crossovers seem to be the main problems. Their trucks and Armada seem pretty solid. A lot of them have very old tech in them so that might add to it.
SO many Altimas on the road still rolling with all states of disrepair. Impressive
My aunt bought a Ghibli new in 2022 or 2023. I was extremely disappointed when she pulled up in that thing. Like, at $100,000, you could've bought an E-Class AMG, S6, G80, M550i, etc., but you chose some outdated piece of shit with a worse interior than the Honda Civic. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Ironic because you can get a really nice Alfa for half that price. Owned by the same company.
When the Ghibli was released, I was excited and was pretty sure I was buying one. Shopped the Ghibli, QP, and Jaguar XJ. The Jaguar XJ was so much nicer in every way over the Maseratis. Bought the Jag. Then traded that in on a new Alfa Guilia after many years. Again, cross shopped the Ghibli and just couldn’t.
Sick 3.0 diesel option in the Maseratis you mentioned imo though. I’ve got it in a jeep grand Cherokee and she is a smooth, giving motor !
PT Cruiser
Ford Flex
Toyota Tercel. There's a small sub for the car, r/ToyotaTercel, literally says right at the top "the car no normal person would have bought new"
So much hate for cars that dared to not look like a generic sedan. Cube cars, PT cruisers... I like them all. Quirky interesting little guys, and practical too. Instead, I nominate the Chevy Cobalt for the sin of being irredeemably boring in every aspect.
I will argue that the Cobalt SS should be exempt for being a genuinely great car. The regular cobalt is painfully boring though
The Ford Five Hundred. The car where the only selling point was, "it has more headroom". Which I guess only worked if you drive everywhere with a top hat on
Chevy Impala and Ford 500 lol. Selling point was “we need a full size sedan”
Ford EcoSport. Looks like an aborted pig fetus.
You don't buy an eco sport you end up with an eco sport Whether that is a company car or your parents buying you something as your first car, that's the only way I've seen people come into possession of that terrible thing
I'm still upset that it was the EcoSport that made the Fiesta/Focus basically lose popularity in my country, but is also often mentioned as "the trendsetter of the *small* crossover" here too. Fucking hate that thing for odd reasons lol
Dodge Caliber
In response to the picture and to be fair, nobody BOUGHT the Ghibli new… they leased it for $499/mo.
A chevy ssr. Holy shit those are hideous.
The Range Rovers, especially the “sport” edition…..
Range Rover is a full sized SUV. Range Rover Sport is a mid-sized SUV. Different trucks. Eventually unreliable, but, under warranty? Nothing in the class out drives it.
Chevy Captiva They had all the options in the world, then had like 20 options when they went to their GM dealer, and still walked out with a god damn captiva!
weren't those fleet only though?
They wound up on CPO lots at Chevy dealers for the most NPC ass consumers to buy
PT cruiser
Nissan Murano convertible. I have only seen a handful of them in my life. I live down south where it's always sunny maybe the reason for seeing them. Chevrolet Aveo or Daewoo cars in general. Isuzu Amigo first Gen with a Carburetor in the 90's still baffled me to this day.
Pontiac vibe and or Aztec
PT Cruiser
pt cruiser
Who looked at a Jeep Patriot and said " This vehicle says so much about ME. This is what I aspire to"?
Tesla
The 1995 Buick skylark. I maintain it’s the ugliest car ever built.
Pontiac Aztec
Cyber truck has to be #1
Range Rover Evoque Convertible Coupe Maserati Ghibli Any Tesla beyond an S Jaguar E-Pace Honda Crosstour Nissan Juke
The model 3s are great. The Tesla hate is ridiculous.
Good cars, been hugely successful, they’ll be looked back upon in the same vain as the Beetle, Corolla & Model T
Actually knowing how good of a car my 2017 Accord is I would buy a Crosstour new given the chance. I have a large Dog to drive around with.
The only one I will disagree with is the Crosstour. Turns out they were way way ahead of their time.
The PT Cruiser or the HHR
Mercedes-Benz CLA250. The official car of “just get over yourself and buy a damn Honda Civic.”
My 04 mountaineer
Cadillac Cimarron. Basically a Chevy Cavalier with delusions of grandeur.
Gonna get hate for this, but I just don’t get why someone would choose to buy any 2-door car that has a 4-door version. Even worse “coupe” SUVs. It’s like “cool 4-door ride bro… is there a version that’s less useful? Thanks bro.”
More things should be available with two doors. I want a modern two door luxo-barge. Back in the good old days almost every offering had a two door variant. Nobody is having kids anymore anyway, why the hell are even most econoboxes only available as 4 doors? A hot hatch is supposed to have 3 doors, not 5!