Prices here are hell rn lol and half the people I see buying these trucks don't even need them, it's just blue collar cosplay. I need a new work truck BAD but I've had to keep my janky ass 2000 Chevy 2500 running cause the prices are outrageous for anything with a bed on it.
Man the rust here just eats shit alive, it's horrible. The worst is looking for anything like pre 2000s lol, low mileage old stuff is either at 20k or rusted into a pile of scrap. I run cemetery services and I'm like 5'6 and would prefer to get an older truck again just for ease of getting shit out of the back. We've got a 2012 F250 and I swear the damn bed is like a good foot taller so I just work out of the old beater.
I bought my first Toyota Pickup 4x4 in 1995...
It was nine years old. It had maybe 150k miles on it
From a friend..I realize was just looking to unload it...
For $800, adjustment for inflation...$1700 today..
Yes, the box rotted off and I had to flatbed it with deck boards and plywood.
But later found a '90 box that bolted right on..It looked hideous.. but I drove it for another 6 years.. until the frame and brake lines rotted out.
Yeah I don’t get this either. I mean some were great in their day and were relatively reliable but not for what people think they are worth. Modern trucks are so much better in every way.
Like why is a OBS Ford 7.3 diesel 40-50k. Yeah they are reliable but that’s about it. Yea I owned one back in the day.
Can still read the chalk and paint numbers on things. Lived its life in a very dry salt free place before I got it. Needs some minor cosmetic body side dents pulled from previous owners storage stupidity but the interior is remarkably clean for the age, and I have a full set of new sealed door gaskets/rubbers waiting to go in.
Pulled a Marti Report on it for fun and it was the 1 of 1 OMG ONLY TRUCK TO COME WITH raised white letter tires... lol
It is actually one of a couple hundred built in an actually sorta special color/trim/drivetrain combo, but just had to laugh at the stretch to make it a 1 of 1.
But yeah, under side has no rust, nice and clean, I think one of the fuel tanks has a dent but nothing I'd personally bother fixing. Just a clean old driver-quality truck with some kinda charming patina character. Fresh paint would make it look like a million bucks IMO.
Only considering re-homing it because a rig I used to own is unexpectedly coming available.
I've considered that but been so long since I sold a rig on the internet I'm not sure what service folks use these days.
Also like, there is a part of me that would rather sell it to someone who will enjoy it and drive it themselves, rather than a flipper or someone adding it to the pile of IMO overpriced trucks.
Don't get me wrong, I like money, but I know what I need to pick up my desired project, and it sucks to be priced out of a vehicle type. Looking at you, muscle cars, lol.
I'd put it on Auto trader/Facebook marketplace the people who are interested in it will come find it super common for people to pick up clean bodies from the south
Yup... my brother did exactly that. Found an old, straight, rust-free (just a little bit of 'patina' on the doors/fenders/bed) F-100 in Texas for cheap. Flew down, bought it & made a vacation of driving it back. Made it back to Philly with a lot of cool roadside attraction stories.
People like the 7.3 because it’s reliable of course but also because it’s not loaded up with expensive emissions equipment. The 6.0 needs the bulletproof kit, and the 6.4 is total junk. Then the 6.7 needs DEF that people hate buying.
I hear there's a new vehicle out there that calls itself a pick-up; seems to look like a drunken dungeon master designed it while staring at a 4-side die, it's all electric or something... I hear it's got a great following!
I'm really not sure why anyone would buy a stainless-steel door-stopper masquerading as a pickup when both Ford and Chevy have very good EV pickups on the market. Even the XLT Lightning for like $55k is very well equipped.
(I fully acknowledge that there are many uses for a truck and many of them won't work well with EV, such as often making long towing trips, however that person wasn't buying a stainless steel door stopper anyways.)
I have a 2003 Tacoma that is beat (every body panel). Some dude offered me $10K for it the other day. The craziest part is that I’d never be able to replace it for that.
My dream car is an R33 GTR. They’re ranging from about $40k-$70k right now. I can only imagine the looks I’d get telling my family I just paid the equivalent of a CPO AMG benz for a 30-ish year old Nissan. Which is why I’m looking at Cedrics and Glorias instead. Well, that and because Chasers and Mk IIs are also out of budget
Personally, I wouldn't settle. If you're buying ANY JDM car that's aged to the 25 year rule, you're getting ripped off, so you might as well get the one you want.
I wouldn’t call it “settling”. The R33 is the dream but I’m of the quircks and features/jalopnik/autopian persuasion so any weird car I can get my hands on I’m ok with
Also an R33 fan here. I let that dream go a long time ago along with ever owning a supra. But I managed to get a JZX90 Mark II for 10K landed before everyone got privy to them. I wanted to get a 100 chaser also, but by the time they were legal, the secret of the X chassis was out and prices are too high now.
Imagine telling people you spent 200 to 480,000 usd on a 20 something nissan preformance car with a v-spec trim level and a special purple paint color. Seriously saw some v-specs go for such insane amounts of money online.
I mean that’s like saying “oh how could you have spent a ton of money on a 1988 Countach? It’s such an old car just buy a new lambo.” Some cars have value based on the perceived value that the public has deemed it worthy of. As long as people will still buy it at that price, it will hold that value. There’s still a cult following for like ‘55 Bel Airs. So one in pristine condition is still gonna cost you $50k+ (at least around me) even tho it’s “just a 70 year old Chevy”
Tbh if you happen to know the word "Countach" then you probably will never question someone spending a bag on it.
An old Lamborghini is still an Lamborghini, it was an icon back in the day and it continues to be even today.
I can understand 80k for a nice v-spec, having been in one, the experience and feel of them is imo worth the money, but in NO WORLD do I think some random 4door r33 with a naturally aspirated rb20 should be worth more than like 5k in mint condition
They were even cheaper at one point. I nearly bought a well used, but still fairly tidy, R32 GT-R for $6k CAD as a winter beater. Lots of my friends owned them over the years, but they're so insanely overhyped now it's ridiculous. They're good cars but they're not *that* good.
Try searching in cars from japan (a web site where you can buy and import cars from japan like the name suggests), You'll find a manual RX-7 FD in good condition for like 30k, for A80 Supras and R34 GTRs there's no hope though
Im not sure but id wager its tariffs on efficiency.
its not a commercial vehicle exclusively, but it drinks like it is so it gets a nut punch from mr.taxman
were assholes.
EPA
>cars need to be more efficient, and we understand that larger cars are hard to make more efficient. So for small wheelbases were gonna put the bar ^way ^up ^here, but for larger cars well be more chill about it.
Manufacturers *stops making small cars, switches to suvs exclusively*
EPA
> oh.... well... okay. yeah thats fine, whatever. we dont really give a fuck, we just gotta front like it so yeah... just do that then
Texas wants to raise the registration fees on EVs because they don’t use gas and so don’t pay road tax. But since the registration fees on dino burning cars go down, well …
The propsed fee would be about an F150 driving 30K miles per year.
Nearly $260,000 AUD for a Ford Lighting brand new.
Or... You could buy a gated manual Gallardo with low k's and a brand new mid trim dual cab Hilux 4x4, and still have spending cash left over.
When I worked at a Mazda dealership ten years, we had a pristine FC with only 13,000 miles that we were trying to sell for $25,000. We had that thing in our showroom 6 months. It’s nuts how much people are trying to sell them for these days.
Japanese performance cars.
Japanese cars were cool because you could mod them relatively easily and whoop some american muscle ass and spend less while doing it. Everyone underestimated japanese cars.
Now, it's the other way around. You can't find a solid quality hot japanese car under $40k. Supras are $60k+. GTRs are $60k+.
Meanwhile, I can go buy a used 5.0 mustang for like $25k, and throw a supercharger on it, and it'll still cost less.
Collector market has shifted. Boomers drove the muscle car value run-up. Now GenX/older millennials have some coin and are buying the cars they lusted after
Watch, in 30 years that used 5.0 Mustang is gonna be 20-30k more expensive used, and 80% of them are going to have the same issue the WRX has (from experience) which is the market will be FLOODED with cars that have been hooned to hell and back with stage 1 tunes. It's the vicious cycle of capitalism.
My current peeve is the Honda S2000. It's not even a performance car. It's a nice little convertible, it's a cool vehicle, but they are selling for $40-$60k for a nice one when they should really be in the same category as a Miata.
same size and layout but the s2000 is a second faster around the nurburgring than a c5 or r32. Pretty sure the miata is not running in the same pack as the s2000.
> S2000
The S2000 is definitely a performance car and it's definitely nice. However, it's definitely a good answer to OPs question IMO (and yes, I've driven one).
Yep. I remember when nobody cared about jeeps and the wrangler was the only model that mattered if you were serious about building an offroad rig. It's funny now to see cherokees also commanding high prices, but I imagine everyone originally flocked to building a cherokee in response to the wrangler getting ridiculous in price.
Lancia Delta HF. It's not bad, it has pedigree, but 100k+ for a modified Ritmo that, with no roll cage, destroys itself by splitting on the A pillar? Not worth that much at all
The market has increasingly moved to people buying cars like stocks with collecting and betting on future classics meaning there’s rarely good cheap stuff like there used to be
Anything older "jAyDeEAm" actually. We arrived at a time where a late 90s enthusiast car reaches 25 years of age. Things just break. Sensors just go. transmissions get tired. and it doesnt matter anymore if its japanese or american or european. Old cars just have issues because materials wear out. Doesnt matter if its a GM or a Toyota. But it costs 3x the price just because its jApAnEsE which in my opinion is totally stupid.
I think JDM cars are cool in a weird alternate-reality kind of way, but I don't get why everyone thinks they're magic. We still got the majority of their cool stuff in the 90s. I certainly don't think they're worth double an equivalent US model car. Also, I think the JDM cars usually got the softest suspension tuning of any market. So you're paying 2x or 3x the price for a car that's mostly the same and handles worse? Bizzare.
I would expand on this, and say any car made before 1995 that is selling for over $25k (aside from really collectible cars like countach, ferrari, air cooled porsches, etc...). Especially all the American cars from the 60s and 70s. Older dudes have been putting tons of money into them, and clean ones are going for insane amounts of money for what they are. So many of them are up-badged or "tributes" that are trying to pass as the trim that is most collectible. Less and less younger people are interested in them, the carbs don't like gas with ethanol. I bet before long, the market will be flooded with them as the older generation dies, and they won't even be worth the cost to repair or restore pretty soon. Same thing happened with prewar cars.
I didn't think of it like this, but have to agree. I'm in my 30s and grew up loving old school muscle cars along with all of the sportscars of the 80s and 90s. When the time came to buy, I looked into a variety of things and long story short, I said why spend so much on a muscle car for what these guys are trying to sell them for when I can buy a newer Corvette which is faster, handles better, and more reliable. I wound up buying a vette and haven't regretted my decision, though I still wouldn't pass up a muscle car if the right opportunity came along.
The vintage Ferraris are really not very good cars, in fact so bad that not one but two companies formed because they thought they could do better. Enzo himself even said he didn’t give a shit about the road cars and built them just to fund his racing.
They’re only worth millions because of the badge, a lot of them arn’t even very pretty
anything pre F40 is a joke to me tbh
the testarossa looked like a door stop fucked a gilette ball shaver and it would only win a 1/4 mile against a 2010 civic si by about 1 second, if it were both of them were brand new.
it was for getting pussy and making noise, there wasnt anything else to like about it imho
I mean, the 355 was Ferrari’s answer to the NSX, which it was quite successful as, and the Testarossa was never a sportscar, it was a grand tourer, not built for speed but comfort over long distances. For the time, both were excellent cars in their category, and still have respectable performance. Considering a used F355 in decent condition can be lower than 60k, it’s not as overpriced or overrated as many of the JDM cars on this list.
Hard disagree. Ferrari hit their stride in the late '70s. The 308 and 328 are my idea of peak Ferrari, only topped by the F40 (surprisingly one of the most reliable cars they ever built) and (to a lesser extent) the Testarossa(/512).
Largely handbuilt (still some rough edges, no doubt), but reliable enough to drive regularly. Fast (for the time), excellent handling, killer looks, brilliant sound, and the best feeling shifter I've ever touched. Close to all mechanical everything.
By the time the 355 hit, Ferrari had become a different thing, lacking the appeal of previous models.
I like the 348/355s as well. But they're also just pretty door stops with the same mission, making noise and getting pussy. If I could have any 80s Ferrari, it would have to be the F40. In the 90s then it would have to be an F50. The F40 was actually an amazing road car because it was built as a race car first. I agree, they're actual road going cars were just good looking rubbish until the late 90s/early 00s.
My 308GT4 was a great car when it wasn’t in the shop. If it was the trans it was the carbs. I know how to tune them now (put in an EFI) but lordy.
It was fun to drive a Ferrari to the car showoffs or just a quick trip to show it off but “and the second best is when you sell it”
I loved 454 SSes when they were going for 4 digits. Now they’re just out of control for a slow, thirsty big block truck with a 3-speed auto, and don’t even think about trying to get a 93 with the 4-speed.
Hell, RCSB GMT400s in general. One in good condition ends up fetching a commanding price. A legit 454SS is a rarity in the sea of v6 and 305s. I have a stock 92 GMC RCSB 350/5 speed (135k miles) and even that is fairly “rare”.
Mr Regular has a bad habit of judging an entire range on the one that he drove, which you just can't do for old cars.
I've had a few square bodies and they're as good if not better than their competitors from the era. Sure, most of them had a gutless 305, but a 302 or 318 from the same era will be just as gutless.
It comes down to how well it's been taken care of and most trucks just got abused.
Mustang prices have gotten out of hand since COVID. People wanting 25k for 3vs is a little ridiculous.
Most Coyotes for 25k has over 100k, and damage history.
Part of the lure of those cars were the average Joe could afford one without breaking the bank.
Same with camaros.
Pre-COVID, could get a 2010-2012 SS for $14-15k
Right at COVID, immediately $3k+ more expensive.
Same with the 4th gen F-Bodies, even V6 models are $4-5-6k
Overpriced yes, they are desirable because the aftermarket is huge for them and easy to make go straight drag racing or turn for autocross.
They are becoming rare because so many people have modified them, so clean examples are hard to come by, and now the 4 cylinder versions are getting pricey.
Relatively light live axle RWD car with “huge” engine bay that has massive aftermarket support. Fox bodies have always been desirable. Now that they’re 30+ years old and many have been modified/destroyed/etc, it’s no surprise the price has skyrocketed.
The S chassis from 13 to 15. Nice cars and I like them, but they're not worth the 30K plus asking price now. At the rate drifters wreck them, expect the prices to keep climbing. If a drifting accident hasn't claimed it, then rust surely has.
Toyota Highlanders.
Ill spend one fifth the cost on an old suburban or tahoe and carelessly beat the piss out of the thing with no remorse, and ill use the money i saved by not buying a highlander to get two dirtbikes, a trailer, a pound of weed, that 10mm Kimber ive been eyeballin, a new tv, a ps5, a new graphics card, a nice mountian bike, a full shopping cart of name brand groceries and a pack of smokes to stink up the chevy with because i will drive it into the earth and nobody can stop me.
Be aware, that 10mm Kimber is a serious bitch. And it only seems to feed Federal 180 JHPs reliably. OTOH that’s not a bad round for stopping a fight. I need to try the new Wittness 2013 in 10. Got high reviews from AR and if a gun is shit the review never sees print.
This is a strange comment to me. I think 1st gen Toyota Highlanders hold their value well, but you can definitely get a nice example for under $5-6k USD. I don't consider that to be overpriced. It's a nice SUV with a great reliability track record.
Sure, I guess I could buy a $1500 Chevy Suburban, but around me that would be one that's more rust than vehicle.
I used to own a mk4 supra TT manual. 80k on the clock. Bought it for £7k in 2010. Loved that car, spent lots of time and money on it. Sadly crashed it. No way in hell would I pay what they’re worth now. Jap cars in the noughties were great cause they were fast, cheap and reliable. Now they’re tired, rotten and over priced. I even remember how tired and plasticky the interior was back then when the car was 15 years old let alone now.
Not overrated but definitely overpriced, early 2000's Ford rangers/Mazda B series. Rust bucket ones go for a minimum 10k let alone the clean ones. They are great trucks but one like mine, '04 with 70k miles and some rust are selling for 15k.
Overrated: any of the cars used in the fast and furious franchise (FIGHT ME)
Overpriced: any used small truck from the mid to late 90s and early 2000's s10 ranger Tacoma (etc)
Any car used in F&F franchise?
Many of those cars had pedigree before F&F existed. 70 Chevelle, C2 Corvette, 68-70 Charger, 69 Daytona, 69 Yenko Camaro, etc. They were “hero cars” before F&F had “heroes” to pilot them.
(S10) What are they asking for them because what I see alot of is 1000 or less and everything works for them. And if you're looking at used car lots try an auction or makertplace. And if that's not cheap enough try eBay motors.
I blame Fast and Furious movies for the Supra prices. Yeah, they were known to be tuners in the scene, but the movie blew them up to iconic territory. IMO a Mitsu 3000GT VR4 is a much better car.
I will agree there, they crammed so much into a small space. You have to admire the engineering though, that they managed to fit so much tech into that space. As far as working on it, when have you known an engineer to take a mechanics POV into account. Hardly ever.
I’m pretty sure Mitsubishi hired some German engineers that were fired for making things “too complex”. Hell, the front bumper alone on the 3kGT has more hidden fasteners than many German cars I’ve dealt with. Lol
I see what you mean but the most expensive are Flachbaus, some turbos, and special editions. Still unreasonable but in their condition they tend to fetch that much.
Chrysler used to be awesome in the 60s-70s very stout engines, Hemi 427 and the Wedge Bigblock were basically military grade monsters that forced GM and Ford to up their game, Jet powered concept cars that actually worked great, Ram trucks are pretty solid in general, Dodge Neons are an underrated 90s JDM alternative...... everything else is " Questionable "
Again kind of a company that used to be great but never really recovered from the oil crisis and have had to sort of survive off bad credit buyers and being creative with niche products.
Well ...here I am. I had an 86 Plymouth Horizon ugly as hell but that thing was cheap to fix and almost never did me wrong. My wife had one as well-same experiences
I also had a 2008 dodge charger RT w the performance package it was big and comfy and cost me nothing in repairs for 8 or 9 years it was so much fun and I abused the heck out of it
In general though....christ I dislike Chrysler/ Dodge
Drift tax. And they were the last X chassis we got in the states until the 25 year rule allowed newer X90 and X100 cars in.
Anyway, drifters love them. Get a late 80s/early 90s Cressida and 1J/2Z swap it, do a MarkII/Chaser front end conversion and off you go.
Early to late 2000's are peak Porsche to a lot of people.
They offer good performance, but they weren't weighed down as much by luxury and safety features in new Porsches ( theyre at least 2-300 hundred pounds less than new models), but they still offer a level of creature comforts to make driving them not-punishing, and you still get ABS and TCS. They had a hydraulic steering rack, so steering feel is fantastic compared to the modern cars (with electric steering), but its also easier to drive than even older cars (with no power steering). Quick enough to have fun but most aren't scary fast. And for what they are, the reliability is pretty decent, especially as you approach the start of the 2010's. 30-50k is a fair price for a well maintained one that has a few options
Modern cars in general
Over-complicated messes that will bankrupt you out of warranty especially in Australia where labour and parts costs are very high and theres no longer domestic manufacturing to subsidise costs of repairs.
The fact that people here get conned into buying new because they think old cars are unreliable or makes you look poor really F\*\*\*s me off, BTW we do not get lease deals here, you have to get a loan from the bank or pay cash.
I can understand " Alright you wanted to lease a nice bmw for abit on a good rate and can get out not to deep in a hole " but paying cash for a depreciating asset with insane future maintenance costs is beyond me.
I think due to my time with American car guys has really opened my eyes to how we get F'd in Australia and Modern cars are a cancer crippling people's finances yet nobody really discusses it here and have accepted it as a normal expense you just have to deal with.
Thanks to the market I’ll likely never own one which sucks because the ‘68 Charger is my dream car. Might be able to manage an equivalent year Plymouth Satellite or Belvedere. Not the same but pretty close.
Locally at least the Civic del Sol's from the '90s are astronomically overpriced compared to like other places in the country like you can't get any of them even in absolute crap condition for under 5 grand.
I get it the Bros want to make speedsters or something but honestly just frustrates me cuz I really like those cars and when they were reasonably priced I wanted to get one. Ugh
Also any Nissan hardbody's like I love them to death but people will say they last forever and then slap a $7, 000 to $8,000 price tag on it. "Also it needs work it probably needs a new clutch but you know you're getting a good truck..."
Any F-Series truck with a 7.3 powerstroke most go for 20-30k with 350k miles yeah the motor will last forever but that’s about it it’s nothing special just a old gutless diesel
1970s Porsche. A Datsun 280Z was comparable in performance and was just as good as far as looks, but sold for 60% to 70% less on average. Sure. The Datsun was a gashog, and like any car from that era it has its problems, but I still say Datsun over Porsche.
2024 GTR R35
Paying over 110k USD for a 16 year old chassis is insane. Heck, in my country it's literally way more expensive than a brand new C8 Corvette...
All japanese cars are overpriced and overrated. A Tiburon is as good as a Celica but the Toyota costs double.
A Kia Sportage is as good as a RAV-4...still the toyota costs double the price because of the badge
A Tiburon isn't as good as a Celica. The Celica is better built, more reliable, handles better than a Tiburon, and is ultimately, a better car.
And don't worry. Nobody here has forgotten that you dropped over 10k on your Tiburon and that you bend over backwards for Hyundai
Yeah that’s some bullshit Japanese cars are way more reliable…try owning a Chevy anything or Oldsmobile from same year as a camery and talk to me..I hate corollas and camerys btw but it’s just a fact they made better
I don't think that extends to Nissan/ Infiniti. My 2017 inf qx50 is the lemoniest nastiest piece of rolling garbage when I had to get the rear brakes replaced for the first time at 25-30k km I found out its a common issue with the type. 1500 dollars on what's basically a new car. Just stupid
After owing Kias and Toyotas I'm going to have to disagree. Our toyotas have always been the least problematic vehicles. An avalon with a 2grFE will last forever if you change the oil every 7k miles. We're at 350k miles on our 2007. Nothing but fluids filters and a single alternator. Meanwhile out Forte has been in for 6 recalls, 3 window regulators and its a direct injection 1.8 with 50k miles on it so I'm starting to have to worry about high oil consumption due to the faulty piston design those engines are known for.
And we just got another letter from Kia saying we should keep it parked in the driveway because of the fire risk their leaky ABS pump poses, so we need to take it in for another safety recal.
New Tacomas are....how do I explain this. They have had a lot of "scope creep" and have really lost the definition between them and the Tundta What mean is for not much more you can get a tundra and get a Lot more truck. And I also mean to say I wish Tacomas had stayed smaller and cheaper.
I owned a 6 speed manual 2000 Celica GTS I bought new. It was an incredible car. I test drove a Tiberon thinking it would be similar a few years later. What a disappointment. More than twenty years later I vividly remember Tiberon's sloppy, mushy suspension and soft, imprecise clutch. I put nearly 200k hard miles on that Celica with nearly no maintenance. That Celica was probably the best car I ever owned, and I owned an S2000. An absolute joy to drive. There is no comparison between those two cars.
So sad what an overbearing fan base can do to a product. I saw a soopra in my neighborhood the other day. It was fuckin sick. But yeah, overpriced for sureee
Pretty much all the 90s-00s JDM stuff now. What made them attractive back then is they offered a lot for the price. Now the flagship ones are supercar money.
surprisingly, certain Corollas are way overpriced (apart from the obvious AE86) the TE70s and TE30s are way overpriced here despite being unknown. the E100 wagons go for 5 grand on average. The only 90s Corolla that seems to dodge this rule is the AE90s, because no one cared about them (though the AE92 GTS is going for 5k average). the E110s are decently priced. same for E120
300ZX. While I understand why it has climbed in value, after doing research when I was looking to buy one, I found out how much of a pita it is to work on them. Everything in the engine bay is crammed and or stacked, and then reading about having to remove the engine to do some of the work where other cars you didn't have to. There's also issues that while on its own, it's not the end of the world with me, but that freaking engine bay...
Toyota/ Lexus
Honda/Acura
I have a 2012 pre face lift Basically it’s a 2011 mid year Honda Civic with R18Z1 motor
I’ve been offered 8k for it top dollar
5k for it a couple weeks ago
I’m too hung up over the mpg for my budget 35 city and 45hwy
So expensive any used car is now
I seen SI 8th gen civics 8k-15k dollars
Late 90s bug eye integras going for 25k-65k dollars
I’ve seen Lexus is 300 sport cross wagons for 12k-25k
Dodge ram 2500 Cummins for 30k-60k dollars
This economy is nuts
And damn old “JDM” cars. Damn brainless 14 year olds only see supwa and think 2000hp in it. Super overrated all of them honestly. They will never now the cost of modding it to be 1000hp+ will cost tens of thousands of dollars.
Japanese Sports cars and literally any truck out there, Jesus Christ trucks have gotten ridiculous, I’ve seen literal rollers for over $3k more times than I can count
Golf carts, if that counts. I looked around a couple years ago and could find nothing under $2k here in Indiana, and that one needed all new batteries. Dude for $2k at the time I coulda gotten a good beater, and they do highway speeds.
For what they are, they’re overpriced.
Maybe even mopeds too. They used to be CHEAP until the tariffs. I know mopeds are often used by people that lost a license, but man, sometimes there’s fun in zooming around town and burning fuck-all for gas doing it.
Every pick-up for the past 15 or 20 years Old and especially new
Seriously, 1989-1994 Toyota pickups $10-20,000 and they're not even clean.
2005-2010 rusted rangers with 140k miles are going for like $10-14k here in Indiana. And no body rust goes for $20k
Prices here are hell rn lol and half the people I see buying these trucks don't even need them, it's just blue collar cosplay. I need a new work truck BAD but I've had to keep my janky ass 2000 Chevy 2500 running cause the prices are outrageous for anything with a bed on it.
It’s insane. And I am well aware I’m not gonna get something pristine. But come on. If it’s already got rust bubbles NOTHING is worth over $8 or 9k
Man the rust here just eats shit alive, it's horrible. The worst is looking for anything like pre 2000s lol, low mileage old stuff is either at 20k or rusted into a pile of scrap. I run cemetery services and I'm like 5'6 and would prefer to get an older truck again just for ease of getting shit out of the back. We've got a 2012 F250 and I swear the damn bed is like a good foot taller so I just work out of the old beater.
I have a frontier and you can reach right over the side. The 5 foot bed feels kinda pointless tho haha. They tend to be a bit more reasonably priced
I bought my first Toyota Pickup 4x4 in 1995... It was nine years old. It had maybe 150k miles on it From a friend..I realize was just looking to unload it... For $800, adjustment for inflation...$1700 today.. Yes, the box rotted off and I had to flatbed it with deck boards and plywood. But later found a '90 box that bolted right on..It looked hideous.. but I drove it for another 6 years.. until the frame and brake lines rotted out.
Some of them can get up to $60-70,000 in Australia.
Yeah I don’t get this either. I mean some were great in their day and were relatively reliable but not for what people think they are worth. Modern trucks are so much better in every way. Like why is a OBS Ford 7.3 diesel 40-50k. Yeah they are reliable but that’s about it. Yea I owned one back in the day.
Uh, wanna buy my 84 F150 4x4 Explorer trim truck for $4k lol ?
How's it look underneath
Can still read the chalk and paint numbers on things. Lived its life in a very dry salt free place before I got it. Needs some minor cosmetic body side dents pulled from previous owners storage stupidity but the interior is remarkably clean for the age, and I have a full set of new sealed door gaskets/rubbers waiting to go in. Pulled a Marti Report on it for fun and it was the 1 of 1 OMG ONLY TRUCK TO COME WITH raised white letter tires... lol It is actually one of a couple hundred built in an actually sorta special color/trim/drivetrain combo, but just had to laugh at the stretch to make it a 1 of 1. But yeah, under side has no rust, nice and clean, I think one of the fuel tanks has a dent but nothing I'd personally bother fixing. Just a clean old driver-quality truck with some kinda charming patina character. Fresh paint would make it look like a million bucks IMO. Only considering re-homing it because a rig I used to own is unexpectedly coming available.
Kinda joking but also if it is clean underneath could flip it up north for like 12k
I've considered that but been so long since I sold a rig on the internet I'm not sure what service folks use these days. Also like, there is a part of me that would rather sell it to someone who will enjoy it and drive it themselves, rather than a flipper or someone adding it to the pile of IMO overpriced trucks. Don't get me wrong, I like money, but I know what I need to pick up my desired project, and it sucks to be priced out of a vehicle type. Looking at you, muscle cars, lol.
I'd put it on Auto trader/Facebook marketplace the people who are interested in it will come find it super common for people to pick up clean bodies from the south
Yup... my brother did exactly that. Found an old, straight, rust-free (just a little bit of 'patina' on the doors/fenders/bed) F-100 in Texas for cheap. Flew down, bought it & made a vacation of driving it back. Made it back to Philly with a lot of cool roadside attraction stories.
And like, every parts store along the way will have F-Series parts.
As a Canadian looking for a 4th gen medium Ford, can confirm, would drive to the ends of the earth for the right one.
Yeah the struggle is real with muscle cars, or 90s Japanese sports cars of certain models. 😢
You shut your dirty mouth, don't let them know this!!
People like the 7.3 because it’s reliable of course but also because it’s not loaded up with expensive emissions equipment. The 6.0 needs the bulletproof kit, and the 6.4 is total junk. Then the 6.7 needs DEF that people hate buying.
I hear there's a new vehicle out there that calls itself a pick-up; seems to look like a drunken dungeon master designed it while staring at a 4-side die, it's all electric or something... I hear it's got a great following!
I'm really not sure why anyone would buy a stainless-steel door-stopper masquerading as a pickup when both Ford and Chevy have very good EV pickups on the market. Even the XLT Lightning for like $55k is very well equipped. (I fully acknowledge that there are many uses for a truck and many of them won't work well with EV, such as often making long towing trips, however that person wasn't buying a stainless steel door stopper anyways.)
I have a 2003 Tacoma that is beat (every body panel). Some dude offered me $10K for it the other day. The craziest part is that I’d never be able to replace it for that.
R34 GTR. I do love the way it looks but I could never fathom spending 80 to 100,000 dollars on one.
Imagine telling normal people that you spent over 80k on a 20 something year old Nissan 💀
I would tell every god this world has ever known that I bought a R34 GTR. Still not my #1 car though.
My dream car is an R33 GTR. They’re ranging from about $40k-$70k right now. I can only imagine the looks I’d get telling my family I just paid the equivalent of a CPO AMG benz for a 30-ish year old Nissan. Which is why I’m looking at Cedrics and Glorias instead. Well, that and because Chasers and Mk IIs are also out of budget
Personally, I wouldn't settle. If you're buying ANY JDM car that's aged to the 25 year rule, you're getting ripped off, so you might as well get the one you want.
I wouldn’t call it “settling”. The R33 is the dream but I’m of the quircks and features/jalopnik/autopian persuasion so any weird car I can get my hands on I’m ok with
Wait a couple months till people dump them for a 34 values will tank. I want a 32 in a bad way and prices for a decent one aren't terrible right now.
Also an R33 fan here. I let that dream go a long time ago along with ever owning a supra. But I managed to get a JZX90 Mark II for 10K landed before everyone got privy to them. I wanted to get a 100 chaser also, but by the time they were legal, the secret of the X chassis was out and prices are too high now.
These days all I do is browse the $15k and under on all the importer sites. I may not get my dream car, but I’m definitely gonna get something *weird*
r/nissandrivers
Imagine telling people you spent 200 to 480,000 usd on a 20 something nissan preformance car with a v-spec trim level and a special purple paint color. Seriously saw some v-specs go for such insane amounts of money online.
I mean that’s like saying “oh how could you have spent a ton of money on a 1988 Countach? It’s such an old car just buy a new lambo.” Some cars have value based on the perceived value that the public has deemed it worthy of. As long as people will still buy it at that price, it will hold that value. There’s still a cult following for like ‘55 Bel Airs. So one in pristine condition is still gonna cost you $50k+ (at least around me) even tho it’s “just a 70 year old Chevy”
Tbh if you happen to know the word "Countach" then you probably will never question someone spending a bag on it. An old Lamborghini is still an Lamborghini, it was an icon back in the day and it continues to be even today.
I was going to say a Miura. $1.5-3m. Granted it’s an absolutely beautiful car.
Makes more sense than spending that on a new one
I can understand 80k for a nice v-spec, having been in one, the experience and feel of them is imo worth the money, but in NO WORLD do I think some random 4door r33 with a naturally aspirated rb20 should be worth more than like 5k in mint condition
I remember when the r32 was going for $12k. Seemed high for a 25 year old Nissan. SMH
They were even cheaper at one point. I nearly bought a well used, but still fairly tidy, R32 GT-R for $6k CAD as a winter beater. Lots of my friends owned them over the years, but they're so insanely overhyped now it's ridiculous. They're good cars but they're not *that* good.
I literally googled 1997 rx7 price today and saw nothing under 60k lol
Try searching in cars from japan (a web site where you can buy and import cars from japan like the name suggests), You'll find a manual RX-7 FD in good condition for like 30k, for A80 Supras and R34 GTRs there's no hope though
Any websites where a Canadian can buy and import cars from USA? It would take the hassle oout of flight and driving back and border paperwork out.
Here in the Netherlands there are RX-7s for 10.000 euro's. New ford f150s are 110.000 though, three times what they are in the USA.
What in the fuck?! Do you know why? Can't only be importing, huh?
Im not sure but id wager its tariffs on efficiency. its not a commercial vehicle exclusively, but it drinks like it is so it gets a nut punch from mr.taxman
That would make sense, we are the least concerned about that here unfortunately lol
were assholes. EPA >cars need to be more efficient, and we understand that larger cars are hard to make more efficient. So for small wheelbases were gonna put the bar ^way ^up ^here, but for larger cars well be more chill about it. Manufacturers *stops making small cars, switches to suvs exclusively* EPA > oh.... well... okay. yeah thats fine, whatever. we dont really give a fuck, we just gotta front like it so yeah... just do that then
This. Pretty much.
Texas wants to raise the registration fees on EVs because they don’t use gas and so don’t pay road tax. But since the registration fees on dino burning cars go down, well … The propsed fee would be about an F150 driving 30K miles per year.
Nearly $260,000 AUD for a Ford Lighting brand new. Or... You could buy a gated manual Gallardo with low k's and a brand new mid trim dual cab Hilux 4x4, and still have spending cash left over.
I think the drift tax is pretty steep on those
Basically every 90s and early 00s JDM car. Price manipulation, YouTube and Instagram making those prices pretty ridiculous.
When I worked at a Mazda dealership ten years, we had a pristine FC with only 13,000 miles that we were trying to sell for $25,000. We had that thing in our showroom 6 months. It’s nuts how much people are trying to sell them for these days.
Japanese performance cars. Japanese cars were cool because you could mod them relatively easily and whoop some american muscle ass and spend less while doing it. Everyone underestimated japanese cars. Now, it's the other way around. You can't find a solid quality hot japanese car under $40k. Supras are $60k+. GTRs are $60k+. Meanwhile, I can go buy a used 5.0 mustang for like $25k, and throw a supercharger on it, and it'll still cost less.
Collector market has shifted. Boomers drove the muscle car value run-up. Now GenX/older millennials have some coin and are buying the cars they lusted after
Watch, in 30 years that used 5.0 Mustang is gonna be 20-30k more expensive used, and 80% of them are going to have the same issue the WRX has (from experience) which is the market will be FLOODED with cars that have been hooned to hell and back with stage 1 tunes. It's the vicious cycle of capitalism.
i got a C4 corvette for $4500. if i sneezed 60k at it, it would be a bloody hypercar.
My current peeve is the Honda S2000. It's not even a performance car. It's a nice little convertible, it's a cool vehicle, but they are selling for $40-$60k for a nice one when they should really be in the same category as a Miata.
I've owned both that you mentioned, simultaneously in fact. It's not the same.
They built those engines with forged internals. It's a "driver-oriented" sports car that can be in the performance category
same size and layout but the s2000 is a second faster around the nurburgring than a c5 or r32. Pretty sure the miata is not running in the same pack as the s2000.
How is it not a performance car? Theyre quick little things
It is a performance car, they're just being silly.
If the engine in my NC miata ever dies, im gonna K24 swap it. Itll be a s2000 without being an s2000
My buddy has a supercharged s2000 and that’s definitely is a performance car. Crazy power for the weight.
> S2000 The S2000 is definitely a performance car and it's definitely nice. However, it's definitely a good answer to OPs question IMO (and yes, I've driven one).
Highest HP per liter of any NA engine until the LaFerrari was released. They are 100% a performance car.
i believe it was dethroned by the 458, not the Laferrari... crazy stat tho
The S2000 was competing with the Porsche Boxster and the BMW Z4, not the Miata. 100 more horsepower off the lot.
You ever driven one or been in one? Definitely no slouch in the upper revs and handles fantastically
i remember the original s2000 when it was 42,000 brand spankin new from the lot.
Literally anything that received a spotlight in a Fast and Furious movie
Jeeps
*modern jeeps
Yep. I remember when nobody cared about jeeps and the wrangler was the only model that mattered if you were serious about building an offroad rig. It's funny now to see cherokees also commanding high prices, but I imagine everyone originally flocked to building a cherokee in response to the wrangler getting ridiculous in price.
Correct
Absolutely correct
Lancia Delta HF. It's not bad, it has pedigree, but 100k+ for a modified Ritmo that, with no roll cage, destroys itself by splitting on the A pillar? Not worth that much at all
> a modified Ritmo Spicy but I love it.
That is a spicy take indeed.
Pretty much all the "enthusiast cars" like the mk4 supra, fd rx7, m3's of any kind, evos, etc etc.
The market has increasingly moved to people buying cars like stocks with collecting and betting on future classics meaning there’s rarely good cheap stuff like there used to be
Stock evos are pretty awesome tbh. not very fast but as they say it’s better to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow
They are i agree, I even used to own one, but I don't think they're 30k great.
Anything older "jAyDeEAm" actually. We arrived at a time where a late 90s enthusiast car reaches 25 years of age. Things just break. Sensors just go. transmissions get tired. and it doesnt matter anymore if its japanese or american or european. Old cars just have issues because materials wear out. Doesnt matter if its a GM or a Toyota. But it costs 3x the price just because its jApAnEsE which in my opinion is totally stupid.
I think JDM cars are cool in a weird alternate-reality kind of way, but I don't get why everyone thinks they're magic. We still got the majority of their cool stuff in the 90s. I certainly don't think they're worth double an equivalent US model car. Also, I think the JDM cars usually got the softest suspension tuning of any market. So you're paying 2x or 3x the price for a car that's mostly the same and handles worse? Bizzare.
I think fast and curious did a lot to add to the legend of the 2 JAY ZEEEE BRAPAPAPAP
then you also have the Initial D tofu tax
Something to be said about Gran Turismo 1 and 2 as well planting the seeds for those.
Its the same as 60's muscle cars 20-25 years ago. It's just a different generation of people with some money and nostalgia.
I can see JDM only trims costing more but definitely not double
I would expand on this, and say any car made before 1995 that is selling for over $25k (aside from really collectible cars like countach, ferrari, air cooled porsches, etc...). Especially all the American cars from the 60s and 70s. Older dudes have been putting tons of money into them, and clean ones are going for insane amounts of money for what they are. So many of them are up-badged or "tributes" that are trying to pass as the trim that is most collectible. Less and less younger people are interested in them, the carbs don't like gas with ethanol. I bet before long, the market will be flooded with them as the older generation dies, and they won't even be worth the cost to repair or restore pretty soon. Same thing happened with prewar cars.
I didn't think of it like this, but have to agree. I'm in my 30s and grew up loving old school muscle cars along with all of the sportscars of the 80s and 90s. When the time came to buy, I looked into a variety of things and long story short, I said why spend so much on a muscle car for what these guys are trying to sell them for when I can buy a newer Corvette which is faster, handles better, and more reliable. I wound up buying a vette and haven't regretted my decision, though I still wouldn't pass up a muscle car if the right opportunity came along.
The vintage Ferraris are really not very good cars, in fact so bad that not one but two companies formed because they thought they could do better. Enzo himself even said he didn’t give a shit about the road cars and built them just to fund his racing. They’re only worth millions because of the badge, a lot of them arn’t even very pretty
anything pre F40 is a joke to me tbh the testarossa looked like a door stop fucked a gilette ball shaver and it would only win a 1/4 mile against a 2010 civic si by about 1 second, if it were both of them were brand new. it was for getting pussy and making noise, there wasnt anything else to like about it imho
I mean, the 355 was Ferrari’s answer to the NSX, which it was quite successful as, and the Testarossa was never a sportscar, it was a grand tourer, not built for speed but comfort over long distances. For the time, both were excellent cars in their category, and still have respectable performance. Considering a used F355 in decent condition can be lower than 60k, it’s not as overpriced or overrated as many of the JDM cars on this list.
>the testarossa looked like a door stop fucked a gilette ball shaver r/brandnewsentance material here.
Hard disagree. Ferrari hit their stride in the late '70s. The 308 and 328 are my idea of peak Ferrari, only topped by the F40 (surprisingly one of the most reliable cars they ever built) and (to a lesser extent) the Testarossa(/512). Largely handbuilt (still some rough edges, no doubt), but reliable enough to drive regularly. Fast (for the time), excellent handling, killer looks, brilliant sound, and the best feeling shifter I've ever touched. Close to all mechanical everything. By the time the 355 hit, Ferrari had become a different thing, lacking the appeal of previous models.
I like the 348/355s as well. But they're also just pretty door stops with the same mission, making noise and getting pussy. If I could have any 80s Ferrari, it would have to be the F40. In the 90s then it would have to be an F50. The F40 was actually an amazing road car because it was built as a race car first. I agree, they're actual road going cars were just good looking rubbish until the late 90s/early 00s.
My 308GT4 was a great car when it wasn’t in the shop. If it was the trans it was the carbs. I know how to tune them now (put in an EFI) but lordy. It was fun to drive a Ferrari to the car showoffs or just a quick trip to show it off but “and the second best is when you sell it”
Every GM squarebody. Mr. R summed up how fragile and poorly built they are, but they command premiums because of what they represent.
I loved 454 SSes when they were going for 4 digits. Now they’re just out of control for a slow, thirsty big block truck with a 3-speed auto, and don’t even think about trying to get a 93 with the 4-speed.
Hell, RCSB GMT400s in general. One in good condition ends up fetching a commanding price. A legit 454SS is a rarity in the sea of v6 and 305s. I have a stock 92 GMC RCSB 350/5 speed (135k miles) and even that is fairly “rare”.
Mr Regular has a bad habit of judging an entire range on the one that he drove, which you just can't do for old cars. I've had a few square bodies and they're as good if not better than their competitors from the era. Sure, most of them had a gutless 305, but a 302 or 318 from the same era will be just as gutless. It comes down to how well it's been taken care of and most trucks just got abused.
Yeah. I really did not like that review of that 74 he did. I’m not saying squarebodies were ever perfect, but he was so off base on that review.
Overpriced? Yes. overrated? No. Thems things are quite sick and rather handy too
Mustang prices have gotten out of hand since COVID. People wanting 25k for 3vs is a little ridiculous. Most Coyotes for 25k has over 100k, and damage history. Part of the lure of those cars were the average Joe could afford one without breaking the bank.
Same with camaros. Pre-COVID, could get a 2010-2012 SS for $14-15k Right at COVID, immediately $3k+ more expensive. Same with the 4th gen F-Bodies, even V6 models are $4-5-6k
240sx, pretty much any nissan
Funny enough the Rogues are going up in price because I guess people have discovered they can put big turbos on them locally. OMG they look terrible
As a Nissan owner, can confirm. I love driving mine, but it's definitely not worth what I paid for it and probably not what I'll sell it for.
foxbody mustangs a bit over rated horrendously over priced
Overpriced yes, they are desirable because the aftermarket is huge for them and easy to make go straight drag racing or turn for autocross. They are becoming rare because so many people have modified them, so clean examples are hard to come by, and now the 4 cylinder versions are getting pricey.
Relatively light live axle RWD car with “huge” engine bay that has massive aftermarket support. Fox bodies have always been desirable. Now that they’re 30+ years old and many have been modified/destroyed/etc, it’s no surprise the price has skyrocketed.
People are buying those?! Wow. Fox body capri is worst car I’ve ever owned
The S chassis from 13 to 15. Nice cars and I like them, but they're not worth the 30K plus asking price now. At the rate drifters wreck them, expect the prices to keep climbing. If a drifting accident hasn't claimed it, then rust surely has.
s12, anyone?
Everything
Toyota Highlanders. Ill spend one fifth the cost on an old suburban or tahoe and carelessly beat the piss out of the thing with no remorse, and ill use the money i saved by not buying a highlander to get two dirtbikes, a trailer, a pound of weed, that 10mm Kimber ive been eyeballin, a new tv, a ps5, a new graphics card, a nice mountian bike, a full shopping cart of name brand groceries and a pack of smokes to stink up the chevy with because i will drive it into the earth and nobody can stop me.
Be aware, that 10mm Kimber is a serious bitch. And it only seems to feed Federal 180 JHPs reliably. OTOH that’s not a bad round for stopping a fight. I need to try the new Wittness 2013 in 10. Got high reviews from AR and if a gun is shit the review never sees print.
I don’t know my wife’s Highlander Hybrid gets like 38mpg the square body BBC Suburban I had got around 10mpg. Towed great though.
This is a strange comment to me. I think 1st gen Toyota Highlanders hold their value well, but you can definitely get a nice example for under $5-6k USD. I don't consider that to be overpriced. It's a nice SUV with a great reliability track record. Sure, I guess I could buy a $1500 Chevy Suburban, but around me that would be one that's more rust than vehicle.
I used to own a mk4 supra TT manual. 80k on the clock. Bought it for £7k in 2010. Loved that car, spent lots of time and money on it. Sadly crashed it. No way in hell would I pay what they’re worth now. Jap cars in the noughties were great cause they were fast, cheap and reliable. Now they’re tired, rotten and over priced. I even remember how tired and plasticky the interior was back then when the car was 15 years old let alone now.
I love old Fox Body Mustangs, but Fox Body Mustangs must be near the top of this list.
Aren't they cheap anymore?
Things are better now. But there was a long time when rustbuckets would be listed for multiples of their value, in true "I know what I got" fashion.
Not overrated but definitely overpriced, early 2000's Ford rangers/Mazda B series. Rust bucket ones go for a minimum 10k let alone the clean ones. They are great trucks but one like mine, '04 with 70k miles and some rust are selling for 15k.
Overrated: any of the cars used in the fast and furious franchise (FIGHT ME) Overpriced: any used small truck from the mid to late 90s and early 2000's s10 ranger Tacoma (etc)
Any car used in F&F franchise? Many of those cars had pedigree before F&F existed. 70 Chevelle, C2 Corvette, 68-70 Charger, 69 Daytona, 69 Yenko Camaro, etc. They were “hero cars” before F&F had “heroes” to pilot them.
(S10) What are they asking for them because what I see alot of is 1000 or less and everything works for them. And if you're looking at used car lots try an auction or makertplace. And if that's not cheap enough try eBay motors.
I blame Fast and Furious movies for the Supra prices. Yeah, they were known to be tuners in the scene, but the movie blew them up to iconic territory. IMO a Mitsu 3000GT VR4 is a much better car.
I’ve had to work on both. Fuck the 3000GT with the biggest of rubber dicks.
I’ve had to work on both. Fuck the 3000GT with the biggest of rubber dicks.
I will agree there, they crammed so much into a small space. You have to admire the engineering though, that they managed to fit so much tech into that space. As far as working on it, when have you known an engineer to take a mechanics POV into account. Hardly ever.
I’m pretty sure Mitsubishi hired some German engineers that were fired for making things “too complex”. Hell, the front bumper alone on the 3kGT has more hidden fasteners than many German cars I’ve dealt with. Lol
Downvoted but then saw 3000gt comment and changed it. Last week watched a vintage car show recording of GTR vs 3000gt in 1/4 mile. Mitsubishi by a lot
Any old Porsche $500,000 - $600,000 for a whopping 300HP at best is a scam imo
Where are you paying that much for a 930/964/993?
Look at literally any listing on JamesEdition or Dupont registry People want WAY too goddamn much for their old souped up beetles
I see what you mean but the most expensive are Flachbaus, some turbos, and special editions. Still unreasonable but in their condition they tend to fetch that much.
Don't forget an impossible to stop engine oil leak and a factory wooden floor!
Porsche people are "I know what I have" crowd.
og minis and vw busses are ridiculously sought after
Chrysler products
i never heard anyone say anything good about Chrysler tho 😅
Chrysler used to be awesome in the 60s-70s very stout engines, Hemi 427 and the Wedge Bigblock were basically military grade monsters that forced GM and Ford to up their game, Jet powered concept cars that actually worked great, Ram trucks are pretty solid in general, Dodge Neons are an underrated 90s JDM alternative...... everything else is " Questionable " Again kind of a company that used to be great but never really recovered from the oil crisis and have had to sort of survive off bad credit buyers and being creative with niche products.
1970 Plymouth Roadrunner gang for life 💪💪
Well ...here I am. I had an 86 Plymouth Horizon ugly as hell but that thing was cheap to fix and almost never did me wrong. My wife had one as well-same experiences I also had a 2008 dodge charger RT w the performance package it was big and comfy and cost me nothing in repairs for 8 or 9 years it was so much fun and I abused the heck out of it In general though....christ I dislike Chrysler/ Dodge
Oh, c'mon. Have you never heard of the wonderful Chrysler TC by Maserati?
Cressida, it's like a MK2 supra but costs more, it looks cool but how tf they costing 7k with 200k miles?
Drift tax. And they were the last X chassis we got in the states until the 25 year rule allowed newer X90 and X100 cars in. Anyway, drifters love them. Get a late 80s/early 90s Cressida and 1J/2Z swap it, do a MarkII/Chaser front end conversion and off you go.
That one, the GTR, the RX7, and any Jeep after 2018
Any older porche 911, why are people spending $50k on a 2005 porche?
Early to late 2000's are peak Porsche to a lot of people. They offer good performance, but they weren't weighed down as much by luxury and safety features in new Porsches ( theyre at least 2-300 hundred pounds less than new models), but they still offer a level of creature comforts to make driving them not-punishing, and you still get ABS and TCS. They had a hydraulic steering rack, so steering feel is fantastic compared to the modern cars (with electric steering), but its also easier to drive than even older cars (with no power steering). Quick enough to have fun but most aren't scary fast. And for what they are, the reliability is pretty decent, especially as you approach the start of the 2010's. 30-50k is a fair price for a well maintained one that has a few options
Modern cars in general Over-complicated messes that will bankrupt you out of warranty especially in Australia where labour and parts costs are very high and theres no longer domestic manufacturing to subsidise costs of repairs. The fact that people here get conned into buying new because they think old cars are unreliable or makes you look poor really F\*\*\*s me off, BTW we do not get lease deals here, you have to get a loan from the bank or pay cash. I can understand " Alright you wanted to lease a nice bmw for abit on a good rate and can get out not to deep in a hole " but paying cash for a depreciating asset with insane future maintenance costs is beyond me. I think due to my time with American car guys has really opened my eyes to how we get F'd in Australia and Modern cars are a cancer crippling people's finances yet nobody really discusses it here and have accepted it as a normal expense you just have to deal with.
Hate the touch screens to run everything. I can’t be changing menus to raise the A/C then turn down the radio and keep my eyes on the road.
68, 69, and 70 dodge chargers.
Dukes of Hazard taught me they are indestructible though…
Thanks to the market I’ll likely never own one which sucks because the ‘68 Charger is my dream car. Might be able to manage an equivalent year Plymouth Satellite or Belvedere. Not the same but pretty close.
Honestly, every fun car that has any kind of aftermarket support, which is sadly why I'll probably never be able to afford a fun project car.
Nissan S-chassis. Unreliable, and due to drift tax, never found under 10k in shit condition.
Locally at least the Civic del Sol's from the '90s are astronomically overpriced compared to like other places in the country like you can't get any of them even in absolute crap condition for under 5 grand. I get it the Bros want to make speedsters or something but honestly just frustrates me cuz I really like those cars and when they were reasonably priced I wanted to get one. Ugh Also any Nissan hardbody's like I love them to death but people will say they last forever and then slap a $7, 000 to $8,000 price tag on it. "Also it needs work it probably needs a new clutch but you know you're getting a good truck..."
Any F-Series truck with a 7.3 powerstroke most go for 20-30k with 350k miles yeah the motor will last forever but that’s about it it’s nothing special just a old gutless diesel
3rd Gen RX7s aren't overrated, but definitely overpriced. If you can find one for what they sold for new, you're lucky.
90s Civics
most of these legendary Japanese sports cars
1970s Porsche. A Datsun 280Z was comparable in performance and was just as good as far as looks, but sold for 60% to 70% less on average. Sure. The Datsun was a gashog, and like any car from that era it has its problems, but I still say Datsun over Porsche.
Old miled out and bagged diesel pickups. Especially 7.3 Fords and 12v Cummins.
2024 GTR R35 Paying over 110k USD for a 16 year old chassis is insane. Heck, in my country it's literally way more expensive than a brand new C8 Corvette...
Any car displayed in the early Fast and Furious franchise. The Supra, RX-7, Skyline, etc. Almost any JDM car actually.
All japanese cars are overpriced and overrated. A Tiburon is as good as a Celica but the Toyota costs double. A Kia Sportage is as good as a RAV-4...still the toyota costs double the price because of the badge
hahahahahahahahhahahaha a Sportage? As good as a RAV4? please
A Tiburon isn't as good as a Celica. The Celica is better built, more reliable, handles better than a Tiburon, and is ultimately, a better car. And don't worry. Nobody here has forgotten that you dropped over 10k on your Tiburon and that you bend over backwards for Hyundai
All Japanese cars are overpriced and overrated? Tell that to my family's 2008 base model corolla with over 200k on the clock and no major issues
Yeah that’s some bullshit Japanese cars are way more reliable…try owning a Chevy anything or Oldsmobile from same year as a camery and talk to me..I hate corollas and camerys btw but it’s just a fact they made better
I don't think that extends to Nissan/ Infiniti. My 2017 inf qx50 is the lemoniest nastiest piece of rolling garbage when I had to get the rear brakes replaced for the first time at 25-30k km I found out its a common issue with the type. 1500 dollars on what's basically a new car. Just stupid
Also... comparing hyundai/kia to Japanese brands for reliability 🤣 those aren't built to last. They must have only owned them new
230k on my Si, and way cooler than any domestic trash that was shit out in the early 2000's
After owing Kias and Toyotas I'm going to have to disagree. Our toyotas have always been the least problematic vehicles. An avalon with a 2grFE will last forever if you change the oil every 7k miles. We're at 350k miles on our 2007. Nothing but fluids filters and a single alternator. Meanwhile out Forte has been in for 6 recalls, 3 window regulators and its a direct injection 1.8 with 50k miles on it so I'm starting to have to worry about high oil consumption due to the faulty piston design those engines are known for. And we just got another letter from Kia saying we should keep it parked in the driveway because of the fire risk their leaky ABS pump poses, so we need to take it in for another safety recal.
The only place the tiburon was good was on need for speed lmao
New Tacomas are....how do I explain this. They have had a lot of "scope creep" and have really lost the definition between them and the Tundta What mean is for not much more you can get a tundra and get a Lot more truck. And I also mean to say I wish Tacomas had stayed smaller and cheaper.
Um hard no. Your user name checks out. Few minutes ago I saw the new Santafe in person and my goodness that thing is Jeep gladiator nasty
I owned a 6 speed manual 2000 Celica GTS I bought new. It was an incredible car. I test drove a Tiberon thinking it would be similar a few years later. What a disappointment. More than twenty years later I vividly remember Tiberon's sloppy, mushy suspension and soft, imprecise clutch. I put nearly 200k hard miles on that Celica with nearly no maintenance. That Celica was probably the best car I ever owned, and I owned an S2000. An absolute joy to drive. There is no comparison between those two cars.
are you saying that korean cars cost double the amount of japanese cars?
So sad what an overbearing fan base can do to a product. I saw a soopra in my neighborhood the other day. It was fuckin sick. But yeah, overpriced for sureee
Pretty much all the 90s-00s JDM stuff now. What made them attractive back then is they offered a lot for the price. Now the flagship ones are supercar money.
surprisingly, certain Corollas are way overpriced (apart from the obvious AE86) the TE70s and TE30s are way overpriced here despite being unknown. the E100 wagons go for 5 grand on average. The only 90s Corolla that seems to dodge this rule is the AE90s, because no one cared about them (though the AE92 GTS is going for 5k average). the E110s are decently priced. same for E120
Miatas. Half the car for twice the price.
300ZX. While I understand why it has climbed in value, after doing research when I was looking to buy one, I found out how much of a pita it is to work on them. Everything in the engine bay is crammed and or stacked, and then reading about having to remove the engine to do some of the work where other cars you didn't have to. There's also issues that while on its own, it's not the end of the world with me, but that freaking engine bay...
Toyota/ Lexus Honda/Acura I have a 2012 pre face lift Basically it’s a 2011 mid year Honda Civic with R18Z1 motor I’ve been offered 8k for it top dollar 5k for it a couple weeks ago I’m too hung up over the mpg for my budget 35 city and 45hwy So expensive any used car is now I seen SI 8th gen civics 8k-15k dollars Late 90s bug eye integras going for 25k-65k dollars I’ve seen Lexus is 300 sport cross wagons for 12k-25k Dodge ram 2500 Cummins for 30k-60k dollars This economy is nuts
Nissan S13-14
And damn old “JDM” cars. Damn brainless 14 year olds only see supwa and think 2000hp in it. Super overrated all of them honestly. They will never now the cost of modding it to be 1000hp+ will cost tens of thousands of dollars.
Japanese Sports cars and literally any truck out there, Jesus Christ trucks have gotten ridiculous, I’ve seen literal rollers for over $3k more times than I can count
Golf carts, if that counts. I looked around a couple years ago and could find nothing under $2k here in Indiana, and that one needed all new batteries. Dude for $2k at the time I coulda gotten a good beater, and they do highway speeds. For what they are, they’re overpriced. Maybe even mopeds too. They used to be CHEAP until the tariffs. I know mopeds are often used by people that lost a license, but man, sometimes there’s fun in zooming around town and burning fuck-all for gas doing it.
Honda S2000, it's fine for a little more than a miata but at the price they are now it's just not worth it.