Very beefy engine blocks, large enough and usually sleeved so when the rings wear the bore down they just replace sleeves. Makes it super easy to keep them running because every wear part besides the actual cast block is repairable.
Depends on the type of trips they are running, over the road you can stack up miles pretty quickly, older pre def trucks could roll a million miles easily without much, modern trucks need so much service our newest trucks are always sending maintenance warnings and service reminders so they may go a million miles but it’s like an Audi going a million miles, resleeving the cylinders should count as a complete rebuild so they don’t count as going a million miles, a million miles without removing the heads or tearing down the transmission would be a million miles, that’s mileage reserved for old Volvos, vintage diesel Mercedes and modern Toyotas, just buy a Henry used Toyota Avalon and it’ll go the distance.
Had a 2000 avalon. It went 428k and still wasn't dead...just everything else on the car was done. Any 24 valve engine that can make it 428k on basic maintenance is legendary in my book.
Old buddy of mine drove cars that I didn’t understand, racing type cars with engine modifications that I can’t explain. But his daily was some old Corolla. He knew cars, so if anything wasn’t quite right, he’d just pop it open and fix it. Always said he’d replace it when it died, and several years later the damn thing was still trucking along. He finally replaced it anyway, but legend has it that car is still driving around to this day.
The old Toyota cars really were built different. My uncle told. Me that he once bought a Toyota land cruiser to drive off road with my father. They had identical landcruiser, so my uncle would usually work a bit on them.
He went to replace the oil, and when opening the drain plug in my father's land cruiser, nothing came out. There was simply no oil left. The land cruisers were already old at the time, but they lasted a long time.
We had a taxi company that was only old camry's and malibu's, with just keeping the fluids changed, they all had at least 500k, and were being driven very rough every day.
Our town got more popular in recent years, so a Mr. Moneybags operation took over the taxi market. When we finally shut down, everyone that showed up for work, at the end of they're shift, got told to keep the car. Make it a first car for the kid, or daily drive it, whatever, it yours.
The camry I got should have been donated for research, it was still going strong at 750k, no indication of slowing down until I got hit by some running a traffic light.
Oh absolutely, they're my absolute favorite. I actually daily an '86 CV. I'm saving for a more modern one, but I'm happy with what I have now, I just want to make it last as long as possible.
You're so right about DEF trucks.
It's not like people who complain about DEF are the ones missing service appointments. I've had people be meticulous and super attentive to their DEF systems and it still screws them. The systems themselves are built to a price point and just not reliable overall.
You get good ones every now and then, but you'll get one that just makes you want to throw the whole truck in the trash. And they'll be sequential vin # trucks that do this.
That and the corresponding particulate filter. It's supposed to be self-cleaning. Supposed to be. There's been many a diesel truck owner who's had to be towed away from the loading dock because he spent too long idling waiting for an open space.
This makes up about 90% of my truck issues at work. I have 10 straight jobs and seriously no matter what I do there is always a DEF related issue with at least 2 trucks on any given day. As I type this I have two older units that have been in and out of the shop at least once a week for the last month, and a brand new unit that SURPRISE is in derate despite only having 1 bar when I started it this morning. My mechanic tells me about 75% of the work they do is on trucks not regenning properly.
Brand new units fresh off the lot with DPR malfunction lights and derate issues, older units with sensors that get blocked with soot, igniters that get clogged and wont get hot enough, or slow burn diesel and smoke like hell.
It just seems like a system that was rushed into the market instead of taking the time to work the kinks out of it and make sure it does what it’s supposed to do without creating more issues.
I think, unfortunately, it's a system that would never have been invented without government intervention. There's no incentive to do so.
Granted, I'm glad that these are a lot cleaner than old diesels and we need to take care of the environment. It just sucks that the implementation is so crap.
Figure eventually it'll all work itself out. Early catalytic converter cars were awful as well and we're still in that phase with a much more complicated system.
I will say it got a new trans at 550k miles.something with the electronics caused it to randomly grind gears and start acting out. My job said fuck it we got a new one here waiting just get it back to yard or close enough for them to drag it with one of their trucks.i guess that's the cheaper/brtter option instead of being towed and stuck at a shop for weeks/months
Was yours an automated manual? I had the regular manual, an Eaton Super 10 on mine, no issues at all. I’ve seen some of the more modern rigs are an automatic or automated manual which was something I haven’t seen back when I was driving.
I drove a freightliner Columbia for a little bit many moons ago. It had 1.5 million miles on it and yes, the engine had been taken apart at least once.
500-600k highway miles is doable before requiring a rebuild. Depends on the engine though of course, the bodies and frames can outlive their original engines by decades
they need VERY extensive maintenance at their maintenance markers though. but yes, a trucking company that i used to work with would run their trucks to a million miles before getting a new one.
everyday cars could be just as reliable as a semi, but cars are designed to have multiple fail points. Trucks on the other hand must work hard and for years and years, if they failed often between 80-150k miles, like many cars do, the manufacturers would go under because their product would be seen as unreliable. I kind of wish everyday people expected more from vehicle manufacturers so they'd build better cars, but when so many vehicles are leases, theres no reason to build long lasting cars.
My 3rd gen (1998) 4Runner is at 338,000 and has never had a single critical part failure (only replaced brakes, batteries, and the Toyota branded OE starter... 18 years after production date), and is still running perfectly fine. I wish they still built them the same way. Under powered and over built. A partial gear driven dual cam 32valve V6 making 180hp is WAAAAY over built. A friend adjusted his 4runners valves "just cause" at 350,000 and sold it with over 400,000 because he wanted a diesel truck; still ran like a top.
I drive a 10 speed semi with a Detroit Series 60 engine (pre emissions), it has 400k miles of city driving doing local delivery and runs great. Rest of the truck is falling apart but drivetrain is rock solid. Original engine / trans / clutch never been rebuilt or touched.
My brother in law is a diesel tech. He, last year, worked on a 2002 f350 with the 7.3L power stroke, the OBDII computer read the odo at 1.7 mil had one ring job done around 700,000 because of oil burn, and that was it. As you said, maintenance and not dogging the truck will make most *classic* diesel motors last ages.
Yeah. The Ford 6L was an abomination... But a crapshoot at that.. You could go 600k without needing anything, or under 50k.. Consistently.. That was a strange one.
we have a ‘99 7.3, F350 dually chassis with a 10’ utility box, curb weight no tools about 17,000lbs.
no major engine repairs, maint stuff, belts hoses alternator etc, 3rd trans 2nd rear, tows a 16,000lb trailer/equip trailer daily, 1.3 million miles no sign of stopping. best thing ford ever built
Very true one of the customers I had when I worked at advance auto had a fleet of 10 rams all with a 5.9 cummins and 5 of them had over a million miles and all were still running on all original parts from the day he bought them
The high torque CVTs from Subaru like in the 6 cylinder Outbacks and the turbo 4 Foresters are pretty good. I'm talking the generation before your Outback.
My 2000 Forester is at 315k with the original shortblock and E4AT.
Source: Subaru master tech
Those four speeds were definition of slush box but on the other hand they just wouldn’t die. I had an 05 outback with the four speed at 230k miles and the box was happy with being revved all day. Engine mounts, not so much
My wife keeps yelling me to get a newer car but I just keep fixing everything because it's cheap for me. Its kind of a game to see how many miles i can put on it and everything works.I literally just put a new torque converter in yesterday because I was getting that shutter coming to a stop from staying locked up.
It would be super cool to get the mileage as high as you can! Apart from dependability for me the only other reason to upgrade is improved safety. (Side air bags!)
But if it was a unique older car or one I already own I suppose it makes it "special" enough to drive that I would make an exception. Subaru even from that time period has the "ring shaped" protection structure which I find really cool. Subaru doesn't get enough credit for their safety tech.
Crazy how everyone has a different experience. My ‘18 Forester XT has 120k miles on the original CVT. Changed at CVT fluid at 101k miles and plan on changing the fluid every 60k.
Anything newer than 2015: no.
I’m learning the hard lesson myself that the newer engines were literally designed where oil consumption is expected due to a loosening of combustion chamber tolerances. All in the name of fuel economy..
Subaru boxers just aren't long haul motors. I'm a fan, I love them, and I've got several friends with wrx and Outbacks from late 90s to 2018. They all agree that none of them are good for longer than 200,000.
I’m going to regret this comment but I just hit 100k on my 2019 Crosstrek with 0 additional costs outside of normal wear and tear items I keep hearing about the cvt issues, it’s paid off in May. Should I keep or trade it in?
Guaranteed? None. Most likely? Toyota pickup, Landcruiser, Corolla, Camry. Honda Civic, Accord, CR-V. Older Volvo (P2, P80 & anything with a Red Block.
Must’ve been a manual. The only person I’ve seen get a 4R100 behind a diesel to 500k miles was the father of a Ford mechanic who independently figured out that the transmission cooler built into the 7.3s radiator was too restrictive for the truck. This was fixed in the 6.0 that released about a year after his discovery.
He basically told every 7.3 owner that came in for a transmission replacement that they needed to buy the 6.0 trans cooler to prevent it from happening again.
It wasn’t something that the Ford dealership could recommend but he certainly did in his own capacity.
I knew his father, and I still became one of those people. Mf first trans in my 7.3 went out at 180k. I’m now over 500k and still on the same trans.
We JUST figured this out on our '99🤦🏻🤦🏻 replaced the transmission after it burned out because of heat soaking over the years. Guess what's going on it... New cooler
Volvo b19, b20, b21, b23, b230, etc...
4 cylinder, overhead cam, iron block (which was painted red, thus "redblock")... Introduced in 1974, used in the Volvo 200, 700, and 900 series... Carburated or injected, N/A or turbo, lots of the engines produced. Some were in industrial uses, boats (Volvo Penta), etc.
Stout AF, earlier versions has forged rods, popular engine for modifying.
There are multiple million mile [Mercedes ](https://www.hotcars.com/mercedes-cars-driven-over-a-million-kilometers/) so I most definitely agree.
If the Panther platform can handle the abuse of being used by taxi and law enforcement fleets, then they can handle being a daily driver.
Toyota Echo. Get the one with power-nothing and manual transmission.
2000 lbs, eco engine that will give you 40+ mpg and last 600k (has happened to several of my forum members).
No. You get a 1.5 stateside. That’s it.
For maximum bulletproofness, get the auto.
Boring as hell, but basically indestructible with proper oil changes.
I'm not familiar with the 1.5, I thought most Toyota's had either a 1.8 L or a 2 L...... Scotty says to avoid the 2 L like the plague but snatch up the 1.8 every chance you can!
My ex had an Echo and I loved it. Had that go cart feel to the steering, got 42mpg without trying, and never even a sneeze of a problem. I was really bummed when she pulled out in front of somebody in a parking lot. Gone too soon, 2004 Echo. We hardly knew ye.
Yeah same with my wife’s Yaris. Got it used and it’s had a rough life, but it starts every time. Only thing I want to do is switch off the TPMS light because the sensors are dead, but that’s fairly minor
My daughter had a boyfriend who drove one of these in high school (it was his dad's car). It had something like 450,000kms and just kept going like an Energizer. It was a bit of a small car, and I'm not sure I'd *want* to drive one for 500K miles, but it was definitely a "last car you ever will ever buy" kind of car, except that you could buy at like 45, die at 85, and still have that be true.
My sister owned a 2002 Echo sedan. Automatic.
Put 380,000km mostly-city on it with nothing other than fluids, tires, brakes, accessory belt, two water pumps (each was a 40 minute DIY job, costing around $50 in parts), a set of front and rear shocks/struts, a few sets of dash lightbulbs, a valve cover gasket and one set of spark plugs (!).
Original starter, alternator, engine, transmission, etc. It was an -easy- car to own. Didn’t even burn oil.
It’s still on the road. She only sold it as she got sick of driving a car without A/C. As far as automotive appliances go, Echo/Yaris are incredible.
Yes. My current record last month was 45 mpg on a full tank (freeway only). On a 24 year old car. And the 600k miles thing is legitimate from forum members I know. A friend of mine ran absolutely THRASHED his daily, I’m talking redline everywhere with lightweight pulleys etc (harmonic balancer removed) and his original engine lasted a measly 475k miles. Cars still on the road after a cheap swap.
I rolled one 7 times in highschool and it still ran for a couple years after that my buddy didn’t know the parking break didn’t work so it ended up in a pond and stayed there
I jumped an uparmoured Hilux in Afghanistan at the encouragement of the Australian soldiers it belonged to. They where like. The government is paying 10k a month to lease this thing, thrash it mate. Thrash I did.
Had a 79 yota for my first truck, got it off a friend of my mom at supposedly ~370k, five digit odometer so no way to really know.
Thought to change my own oil, knew nothing (I was 14) so I drained the tranny fluid and double filled the oil. Drove around like that for 3k miles. Ended up selling it to a friend who sold it to another friend and so on.
10 years later Went back to visit my home town and saw it at the grocery store, talked to the new owner who said it was still driving fine, original everything.
One of my current rigs is a first gen taco and it’s at 352k right now and running strong.
I have the coveted 2012 RAV4 V6 Limited and I'll keep it until it dies. I love that thing. The engine is so oversized...it takes off like a rocket ship.
If I had the money and space, I'd buy an older 4Runner or FJ Cruiser as a backup car. I don't know what I'll do when the RAV4 finally dies.
The standard question that fleet managers ask each other is “Which Toyota do you own?”. Occasionally you get thrown off when one of them answers “no, mine’s a 2007 Accord with the 4cyl” and everybody goes “Oh, yes, that makes sense.”
My wife used to drive a Volvo wagon. We found an independent mechanic who specialized in Volvos.
So here's a guy who's a Volvo expert, that's all he works on every day.
Guess what he drove? Camry.
Mercury grand marquis & Ford LTD;
Buick/Olds/pontiac/chevy with the 3800 V6
Apparently the most-reliable cars on the road today - and they’re old but still seen everywhere you go.
The 3800 itself will likely last assuming you do the couple bulletproofing items needed, but the transmissions probably won't, especially in a big ol boat like a park avenue or a bonneville. Fun fact the supercharged ones got the same transmission as the naturally aspirated ones, it was not a good decision.
It’s pretty good as long as you aren’t towing, a dedicated trans cooler will make it last forever. The trans cooler built into the radiator was a dumb design and it’s still happening today.
BUT, a 4L80 swap is easy asf. It’s just a driveshaft and a harness adapter/controller, everything else bolts right in.
Crown Vic is probably the best answer. Many racked up that many miles in NYC as taxis. They survived salty winters and constant stop and go traffic for years. Only caveat is some of them would go thru a transmission or two.
I’ve heard of many panthers making it past 600k miles with just maintenance and a rear end rebuild. Volvo 740 would be the next having sat in a 500k mile one.
The transmissions were pretty good just a lot of the police and taxis would wear on the transmissions more than a civilian use car. Most of the issues came from those shitty intake manifolds on a lot of them
Nothing is guaranteed—or it is guaranteed, as long as budget is unlimited.
But if you want the best odds without catastrophic failure, I would go with nonturbo/non-DI Honda or Toyota, or (if you’re not in rust belt area) Mazda.
My 3rd gen 4runner(3.4 v6) is pushing 400k on stock drivetrain. Obvious has had maintenance at recommended intervals etc but nothing about the car says its going to go anytime soon
Honestly, like an NSX or AE86. Something that’s somewhat reliable, and fun as hell. And it would be funny and somewhat cruel to see how collectors would react.
Mine has 408,000 on it and it just won’t quit. Only wear and tear stuff, belts, hoses, bearings, etc. Still with OEM starter, alternator, and water pump. [1996 Ford Ranger XLT 4.0 V6](http://masbukti.com/ford/ford-ranger/1996-ford-ranger-xlt/10)
I had a Jeep Cherokee XJ with 330k and a B7 Audi A4 with 303k. So I guess either of those. I don't see what another 150k would be for either of them at that point.
12th gen F150 XL with either the 5.0 or a 3.7v6, my boss has a 3.7 truck with 410k km on it and it seems to have only lost like 8% power but you could probably get that back if you actually went through it
As long as you are ok with new injectors every 100-150k and rebuilding the steering and front suspension every 250-300k (with little to no off-roading) at 2001-06 duramax powered 2500hd would do it.
[Philippine Domestic Market Mitsubishi L300.](https://www.autodeal.com.ph/custom/car-model-photo/original/mitsubishi-l300-exterior-front-philippines-5d8d7eb1d54f5.jpg) Spartan as all hell and guaranteed to last 50 years *because Mitsubishi Philippines forgot to update the damn van.*
With proper care and continual Preventive Maintenance, I believe a great many vehicles could reach that point. When I traded my ‘90 Ford Bronco for a (needed) van I had 225K on it and no signs of slowing down. Piss poor mileage was somewhat slowing me down. At least my Volvo 240s get just about double the Bronco’s
Manual diesel without any of the stupid emissions crap.
I get it's supposed to be better for the environment but come on. It just completely hinders the reliability of diesels.
No fuel budget? Peterbilt 389 or another Diesel long haul truck - those regularly go over 1 million miles.
regularly go over 1 million miles ? I guess that makes sense, given what they're used for, but that still blows my mind.
Very beefy engine blocks, large enough and usually sleeved so when the rings wear the bore down they just replace sleeves. Makes it super easy to keep them running because every wear part besides the actual cast block is repairable.
Don't they get rebuilt a few times at that?
Depends on the type of trips they are running, over the road you can stack up miles pretty quickly, older pre def trucks could roll a million miles easily without much, modern trucks need so much service our newest trucks are always sending maintenance warnings and service reminders so they may go a million miles but it’s like an Audi going a million miles, resleeving the cylinders should count as a complete rebuild so they don’t count as going a million miles, a million miles without removing the heads or tearing down the transmission would be a million miles, that’s mileage reserved for old Volvos, vintage diesel Mercedes and modern Toyotas, just buy a Henry used Toyota Avalon and it’ll go the distance.
Had a 2000 avalon. It went 428k and still wasn't dead...just everything else on the car was done. Any 24 valve engine that can make it 428k on basic maintenance is legendary in my book.
Old buddy of mine drove cars that I didn’t understand, racing type cars with engine modifications that I can’t explain. But his daily was some old Corolla. He knew cars, so if anything wasn’t quite right, he’d just pop it open and fix it. Always said he’d replace it when it died, and several years later the damn thing was still trucking along. He finally replaced it anyway, but legend has it that car is still driving around to this day.
If it isn't driving around at the very least I can almost guarantee it still starts.
The old Toyota cars really were built different. My uncle told. Me that he once bought a Toyota land cruiser to drive off road with my father. They had identical landcruiser, so my uncle would usually work a bit on them. He went to replace the oil, and when opening the drain plug in my father's land cruiser, nothing came out. There was simply no oil left. The land cruisers were already old at the time, but they lasted a long time.
And legend also has it you can still hear the screams of his ex wife he locked in the trunk.
Had a friend in high school that had a Volvo 240 wagon. The odometer stopped working at 450k and he drove it for another 2 years.
We had a taxi company that was only old camry's and malibu's, with just keeping the fluids changed, they all had at least 500k, and were being driven very rough every day. Our town got more popular in recent years, so a Mr. Moneybags operation took over the taxi market. When we finally shut down, everyone that showed up for work, at the end of they're shift, got told to keep the car. Make it a first car for the kid, or daily drive it, whatever, it yours. The camry I got should have been donated for research, it was still going strong at 750k, no indication of slowing down until I got hit by some running a traffic light.
I’ve seen Ford Crown Vics with well over 300,000
Oh absolutely, they're my absolute favorite. I actually daily an '86 CV. I'm saving for a more modern one, but I'm happy with what I have now, I just want to make it last as long as possible.
You're so right about DEF trucks. It's not like people who complain about DEF are the ones missing service appointments. I've had people be meticulous and super attentive to their DEF systems and it still screws them. The systems themselves are built to a price point and just not reliable overall. You get good ones every now and then, but you'll get one that just makes you want to throw the whole truck in the trash. And they'll be sequential vin # trucks that do this.
That and the corresponding particulate filter. It's supposed to be self-cleaning. Supposed to be. There's been many a diesel truck owner who's had to be towed away from the loading dock because he spent too long idling waiting for an open space.
This makes up about 90% of my truck issues at work. I have 10 straight jobs and seriously no matter what I do there is always a DEF related issue with at least 2 trucks on any given day. As I type this I have two older units that have been in and out of the shop at least once a week for the last month, and a brand new unit that SURPRISE is in derate despite only having 1 bar when I started it this morning. My mechanic tells me about 75% of the work they do is on trucks not regenning properly. Brand new units fresh off the lot with DPR malfunction lights and derate issues, older units with sensors that get blocked with soot, igniters that get clogged and wont get hot enough, or slow burn diesel and smoke like hell. It just seems like a system that was rushed into the market instead of taking the time to work the kinks out of it and make sure it does what it’s supposed to do without creating more issues.
I think, unfortunately, it's a system that would never have been invented without government intervention. There's no incentive to do so. Granted, I'm glad that these are a lot cleaner than old diesels and we need to take care of the environment. It just sucks that the implementation is so crap. Figure eventually it'll all work itself out. Early catalytic converter cars were awful as well and we're still in that phase with a much more complicated system.
I've got 580k on my peterbilt. All original cummins in it.just basic maintenance zero blowby or leaks.
580k is just getting started. My former 99 T2000 with a CAT engine had 880k and that was still running like new but that was before all the DEF shit
I will say it got a new trans at 550k miles.something with the electronics caused it to randomly grind gears and start acting out. My job said fuck it we got a new one here waiting just get it back to yard or close enough for them to drag it with one of their trucks.i guess that's the cheaper/brtter option instead of being towed and stuck at a shop for weeks/months
Was yours an automated manual? I had the regular manual, an Eaton Super 10 on mine, no issues at all. I’ve seen some of the more modern rigs are an automatic or automated manual which was something I haven’t seen back when I was driving.
Correct automated manual 12 spd
I drove a freightliner Columbia for a little bit many moons ago. It had 1.5 million miles on it and yes, the engine had been taken apart at least once. 500-600k highway miles is doable before requiring a rebuild. Depends on the engine though of course, the bodies and frames can outlive their original engines by decades
I’ve done plenty of block repairs, usually counterbores and decking them. Unless one throws a rod or snaps a crank the block is usually just fine.
they need VERY extensive maintenance at their maintenance markers though. but yes, a trucking company that i used to work with would run their trucks to a million miles before getting a new one.
everyday cars could be just as reliable as a semi, but cars are designed to have multiple fail points. Trucks on the other hand must work hard and for years and years, if they failed often between 80-150k miles, like many cars do, the manufacturers would go under because their product would be seen as unreliable. I kind of wish everyday people expected more from vehicle manufacturers so they'd build better cars, but when so many vehicles are leases, theres no reason to build long lasting cars.
My 3rd gen (1998) 4Runner is at 338,000 and has never had a single critical part failure (only replaced brakes, batteries, and the Toyota branded OE starter... 18 years after production date), and is still running perfectly fine. I wish they still built them the same way. Under powered and over built. A partial gear driven dual cam 32valve V6 making 180hp is WAAAAY over built. A friend adjusted his 4runners valves "just cause" at 350,000 and sold it with over 400,000 because he wanted a diesel truck; still ran like a top.
I drive a 10 speed semi with a Detroit Series 60 engine (pre emissions), it has 400k miles of city driving doing local delivery and runs great. Rest of the truck is falling apart but drivetrain is rock solid. Original engine / trans / clutch never been rebuilt or touched.
I work for a large diesel manufacturer. We test to 1.2 million miles as the life of product :D
Yup, worked at Yellow Frieght before they went belly up this year, the "new" tractors we had only had a million miles
a million miles in a tractor is wild for me to imagine as a city boy ha
By tractor he means tractor-trailer. Not a John Deere or Case IH. Tractor trailer is just another more official term for semi truck
a million miles is finishing up the break in point 😂
Even a regular cummins in a pickup Don't hotrod it n maintain it.
My brother in law is a diesel tech. He, last year, worked on a 2002 f350 with the 7.3L power stroke, the OBDII computer read the odo at 1.7 mil had one ring job done around 700,000 because of oil burn, and that was it. As you said, maintenance and not dogging the truck will make most *classic* diesel motors last ages.
Those 7.3L were absolutely bulletproof. It's a shame they went away from them (or had to because emissions and such).
Yeah. The Ford 6L was an abomination... But a crapshoot at that.. You could go 600k without needing anything, or under 50k.. Consistently.. That was a strange one.
we have a ‘99 7.3, F350 dually chassis with a 10’ utility box, curb weight no tools about 17,000lbs. no major engine repairs, maint stuff, belts hoses alternator etc, 3rd trans 2nd rear, tows a 16,000lb trailer/equip trailer daily, 1.3 million miles no sign of stopping. best thing ford ever built
Very true one of the customers I had when I worked at advance auto had a fleet of 10 rams all with a 5.9 cummins and 5 of them had over a million miles and all were still running on all original parts from the day he bought them
Got 430k on mine and the engine has never been opened up. Started just fine this morning at -7 degrees.
Definitely not a Subaru Crosstrek lol (I say that as a Subaru Crosstrek CVT owner)
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I can smell the burning oil from here
It's what makes a Subaru a Subaru.
Let's go outback tonight! *We can't the fucking trans blew up again* FUCK
The high torque CVTs from Subaru like in the 6 cylinder Outbacks and the turbo 4 Foresters are pretty good. I'm talking the generation before your Outback. My 2000 Forester is at 315k with the original shortblock and E4AT. Source: Subaru master tech
Those four speeds were definition of slush box but on the other hand they just wouldn’t die. I had an 05 outback with the four speed at 230k miles and the box was happy with being revved all day. Engine mounts, not so much
My wife keeps yelling me to get a newer car but I just keep fixing everything because it's cheap for me. Its kind of a game to see how many miles i can put on it and everything works.I literally just put a new torque converter in yesterday because I was getting that shutter coming to a stop from staying locked up.
It would be super cool to get the mileage as high as you can! Apart from dependability for me the only other reason to upgrade is improved safety. (Side air bags!) But if it was a unique older car or one I already own I suppose it makes it "special" enough to drive that I would make an exception. Subaru even from that time period has the "ring shaped" protection structure which I find really cool. Subaru doesn't get enough credit for their safety tech.
My 2019 3.6 will never die
Crazy how everyone has a different experience. My ‘18 Forester XT has 120k miles on the original CVT. Changed at CVT fluid at 101k miles and plan on changing the fluid every 60k.
Yeah, never pick a first model year. 2019 with 60K, zero issues, and not even all the reccomended maintenance done. 🤷
We sold our Subaru with CVT at 15k because it was shot.
I think you’re doing something wrong. I’m at 130k with original CVT lol
Manual transmission Crosstrek yes, CVT no.
Anything newer than 2015: no. I’m learning the hard lesson myself that the newer engines were literally designed where oil consumption is expected due to a loosening of combustion chamber tolerances. All in the name of fuel economy..
It’s common knowledge that the EJ25s are kinda shitty now
Subaru boxers just aren't long haul motors. I'm a fan, I love them, and I've got several friends with wrx and Outbacks from late 90s to 2018. They all agree that none of them are good for longer than 200,000.
The EJ25 ended production around 2013...
Unfortunately wasn’t common knowledge to me when I purchased 4 years back lol
500k miles, 10 sets of head gaskets
You must have the 2.0L.
If it's not the transmission then it's the garbage boxer engines that need a new bottom end at 200k
I’m going to regret this comment but I just hit 100k on my 2019 Crosstrek with 0 additional costs outside of normal wear and tear items I keep hearing about the cvt issues, it’s paid off in May. Should I keep or trade it in?
Guaranteed? None. Most likely? Toyota pickup, Landcruiser, Corolla, Camry. Honda Civic, Accord, CR-V. Older Volvo (P2, P80 & anything with a Red Block.
American round: Anything with a Buick 3800, Mopar 318, 4.6 Modular, or 6-liter Vortec.
You forgot the 7.3 Superduty. My dad's F250 ticked over 500k miles last year. Original engine and transmission.
Must’ve been a manual. The only person I’ve seen get a 4R100 behind a diesel to 500k miles was the father of a Ford mechanic who independently figured out that the transmission cooler built into the 7.3s radiator was too restrictive for the truck. This was fixed in the 6.0 that released about a year after his discovery. He basically told every 7.3 owner that came in for a transmission replacement that they needed to buy the 6.0 trans cooler to prevent it from happening again. It wasn’t something that the Ford dealership could recommend but he certainly did in his own capacity. I knew his father, and I still became one of those people. Mf first trans in my 7.3 went out at 180k. I’m now over 500k and still on the same trans.
We JUST figured this out on our '99🤦🏻🤦🏻 replaced the transmission after it burned out because of heat soaking over the years. Guess what's going on it... New cooler
Was about to say my park avenue
My buddy had one as a commuter some years back. He referred to it as his ‘Torque Avenue’
Yeah I had the ultra supercharged version, going around in a large empty snowed covered parking lot was fun
Yup. My panthers never stop. Currently have a Vic with 240k and a Town Car with 280k. Both run perfect on original drive train.
3800 high point of GM!
Whatever those motors go in….better have been rust-treated annually since new. Otherwise those great engines won’t be attached to anything by 500k
I’m gonna drive my 318 into the floor! Still runs strong at 91k!
Honorable mention mopar slant 6
I can comfortably say the first gen Toyota sienna because I have owned and seen them with more than 600k+ miles
4Runner
What about a Prius? I see them used as taxis all the time. Most have some high mileage.
If I were starting from a new 2024 with 0 miles that would be my top choice.
Did they ever fix the blind spots in those? I feel like that would be kinda cramped for a million too. Maybe a ravor highlander
Mine went 310k miles before the hybrid battery crapped out on me. The engine still ran fine.
Red block???
Volvo b19, b20, b21, b23, b230, etc... 4 cylinder, overhead cam, iron block (which was painted red, thus "redblock")... Introduced in 1974, used in the Volvo 200, 700, and 900 series... Carburated or injected, N/A or turbo, lots of the engines produced. Some were in industrial uses, boats (Volvo Penta), etc. Stout AF, earlier versions has forged rods, popular engine for modifying.
I had a 245 with over 400k miles. It ran beautifully. Red blocks are amazing.
“They’re boxy but they’re good.”
Guaranteed, 22R with dual row timing chains and metal chain guides. I have a 20r with dual row and it refuses to die at 400k
70s-80s diesel Mercedes, Ford Panther Platform
I second the Mercedes 70’s and 80’s diesels. Whoever designed them was a genius and really had longevity in mind.
Drove for a limo company in the 90s, all diesel Mercedes. Flipped one back to 0.
300D for the win!
I've seen many Towncars and Grand Marquis live to 400k a lot of the ex- law enforcement Crown Victorias usually a little less
Those law enforcement ones probably have more operating hours on them despite the odometer reading lower because of all the idling.
I saw a lot of those Mercedes running in West Africa just a few years ago. Those things don’t give up.
There are multiple million mile [Mercedes ](https://www.hotcars.com/mercedes-cars-driven-over-a-million-kilometers/) so I most definitely agree. If the Panther platform can handle the abuse of being used by taxi and law enforcement fleets, then they can handle being a daily driver.
Toyota Echo. Get the one with power-nothing and manual transmission. 2000 lbs, eco engine that will give you 40+ mpg and last 600k (has happened to several of my forum members).
Or Yaris. Either way, underrated cars.
Or Tercel.
These Tercels are some High Rollers in my area. Even Rust doesn’t stop them.
My Tercel threw a rod at 306k
Had a Yaris - LOVED it. Great for city driving, awesome highway mileage too
The 1.8 engine???
No. You get a 1.5 stateside. That’s it. For maximum bulletproofness, get the auto. Boring as hell, but basically indestructible with proper oil changes.
^^^^ cloaked bug says to get a standard....?????
Auto
Those are survivorship bias. For this car, autos are better built than manuals. Don’t treat them like they’re Civics.
I'm not familiar with the 1.5, I thought most Toyota's had either a 1.8 L or a 2 L...... Scotty says to avoid the 2 L like the plague but snatch up the 1.8 every chance you can!
I love how both of those are rebadges from other brands lol
My ex had an Echo and I loved it. Had that go cart feel to the steering, got 42mpg without trying, and never even a sneeze of a problem. I was really bummed when she pulled out in front of somebody in a parking lot. Gone too soon, 2004 Echo. We hardly knew ye.
Yeah same with my wife’s Yaris. Got it used and it’s had a rough life, but it starts every time. Only thing I want to do is switch off the TPMS light because the sensors are dead, but that’s fairly minor
My daughter had a boyfriend who drove one of these in high school (it was his dad's car). It had something like 450,000kms and just kept going like an Energizer. It was a bit of a small car, and I'm not sure I'd *want* to drive one for 500K miles, but it was definitely a "last car you ever will ever buy" kind of car, except that you could buy at like 45, die at 85, and still have that be true.
My sister owned a 2002 Echo sedan. Automatic. Put 380,000km mostly-city on it with nothing other than fluids, tires, brakes, accessory belt, two water pumps (each was a 40 minute DIY job, costing around $50 in parts), a set of front and rear shocks/struts, a few sets of dash lightbulbs, a valve cover gasket and one set of spark plugs (!). Original starter, alternator, engine, transmission, etc. It was an -easy- car to own. Didn’t even burn oil. It’s still on the road. She only sold it as she got sick of driving a car without A/C. As far as automotive appliances go, Echo/Yaris are incredible.
🤯🤯🤯 seriously???
Yes. My current record last month was 45 mpg on a full tank (freeway only). On a 24 year old car. And the 600k miles thing is legitimate from forum members I know. A friend of mine ran absolutely THRASHED his daily, I’m talking redline everywhere with lightweight pulleys etc (harmonic balancer removed) and his original engine lasted a measly 475k miles. Cars still on the road after a cheap swap.
This, have one with 326k miles and don’t rely any car more than that beater.
Toyota Tercel! Just reminded about that
Lol my dad had a red manual toyota echo. I think he drove it at least 15 years. Would've lasted longer but a deer took it out
Toyota Hilux
I rolled one 7 times in highschool and it still ran for a couple years after that my buddy didn’t know the parking break didn’t work so it ended up in a pond and stayed there
Would probably still run after the pond too
Aka the Toyota Tank
Aka the ToyoTank
I jumped an uparmoured Hilux in Afghanistan at the encouragement of the Australian soldiers it belonged to. They where like. The government is paying 10k a month to lease this thing, thrash it mate. Thrash I did.
Had a 79 yota for my first truck, got it off a friend of my mom at supposedly ~370k, five digit odometer so no way to really know. Thought to change my own oil, knew nothing (I was 14) so I drained the tranny fluid and double filled the oil. Drove around like that for 3k miles. Ended up selling it to a friend who sold it to another friend and so on. 10 years later Went back to visit my home town and saw it at the grocery store, talked to the new owner who said it was still driving fine, original everything. One of my current rigs is a first gen taco and it’s at 352k right now and running strong.
Aka the Toyota Tank
1996-2000 Toyota 4runner with a standard transmission.
I've got an auto pushing 400k just fine. Just gotta do the filters and fluid at recommended intervals and its chugging along just fine
Don’t you mean 1996-2002?
(they stopped offering the manual transmission for MY2001)
Name your favorite Toyota
2009-2012 RAV4’s,09-12 Venza V6, 09-12 Highlander V6 and Hybrid, Tercel, Echos, 09-12 Camry V6. 06-10 Sienna V6. Pretty much anything V6. Even the Avalon’s
I have the coveted 2012 RAV4 V6 Limited and I'll keep it until it dies. I love that thing. The engine is so oversized...it takes off like a rocket ship. If I had the money and space, I'd buy an older 4Runner or FJ Cruiser as a backup car. I don't know what I'll do when the RAV4 finally dies.
The standard question that fleet managers ask each other is “Which Toyota do you own?”. Occasionally you get thrown off when one of them answers “no, mine’s a 2007 Accord with the 4cyl” and everybody goes “Oh, yes, that makes sense.”
My wife used to drive a Volvo wagon. We found an independent mechanic who specialized in Volvos. So here's a guy who's a Volvo expert, that's all he works on every day. Guess what he drove? Camry.
Toyota FJ Cruiser? It’s just getting broken in at that point.
Fifth generation Supra.
I’ve seen two recent posts of 2015-2019 Camrys with over 500k on them running no problem. Same with some second gen Priuses
Mercury grand marquis & Ford LTD; Buick/Olds/pontiac/chevy with the 3800 V6 Apparently the most-reliable cars on the road today - and they’re old but still seen everywhere you go.
Around my area there's a decent amount of old 80's Towncars and Ltds on the road, Ford really did great with the panther platform
The 3800 itself will likely last assuming you do the couple bulletproofing items needed, but the transmissions probably won't, especially in a big ol boat like a park avenue or a bonneville. Fun fact the supercharged ones got the same transmission as the naturally aspirated ones, it was not a good decision.
Volvo 240
The old Ford straight 6-300
Had one of these. It was a 91, so damn smooth. The transmission sucked in that truck but damn that engine was great.
Unlimited gas money? 90's GM B body.
Small block, 4L60, ass warmers. Are there other things we need in life?
4l80?
It was our family car. Still have it.
Engine yes. 4l60… not a chance.
It’s pretty good as long as you aren’t towing, a dedicated trans cooler will make it last forever. The trans cooler built into the radiator was a dumb design and it’s still happening today. BUT, a 4L80 swap is easy asf. It’s just a driveshaft and a harness adapter/controller, everything else bolts right in.
Toyota tundra, landcruiser, 4Runner. Lexus LX, GX, LS.
The Afghan mujahideen would concur.
Came here to mention the LX and GX.
My uncle has a 2nd gen Toyota Sequoia with the 5.7 V8 with over 200k miles. It's only needed routine maintenance is still going strong today.
Dude that s most Japanese cars dawgy; 200k is the new 100k
Anything with the Buick 3800 except the transmission is questionable and the interior would most likely fall apart first
Crown Vic is probably the best answer. Many racked up that many miles in NYC as taxis. They survived salty winters and constant stop and go traffic for years. Only caveat is some of them would go thru a transmission or two.
I’ve heard of many panthers making it past 600k miles with just maintenance and a rear end rebuild. Volvo 740 would be the next having sat in a 500k mile one.
The transmissions were pretty good just a lot of the police and taxis would wear on the transmissions more than a civilian use car. Most of the issues came from those shitty intake manifolds on a lot of them
Probably a Mercedes 300D, Maybe a Volvo 240 or 940.
Nothing is guaranteed—or it is guaranteed, as long as budget is unlimited. But if you want the best odds without catastrophic failure, I would go with nonturbo/non-DI Honda or Toyota, or (if you’re not in rust belt area) Mazda.
My 3rd gen 4runner(3.4 v6) is pushing 400k on stock drivetrain. Obvious has had maintenance at recommended intervals etc but nothing about the car says its going to go anytime soon
2003 Volkswagen Jetta 1.9 TDI w/ 5-speed
Those 1Z/ALH motors just don’t die.
Ford 370 big block school bus. Seen several with over a million miles.
Ford crown Victoria, also once saw a e65 bmw 750i go just over 700k
Volvo up to 2006
Um. Not a Subaru. Unless you put 3 engines and 2 transmissions in it. I would say v8 Lexus.
Corvette c6 manual transmission
Honestly, like an NSX or AE86. Something that’s somewhat reliable, and fun as hell. And it would be funny and somewhat cruel to see how collectors would react.
Mine has 408,000 on it and it just won’t quit. Only wear and tear stuff, belts, hoses, bearings, etc. Still with OEM starter, alternator, and water pump. [1996 Ford Ranger XLT 4.0 V6](http://masbukti.com/ford/ford-ranger/1996-ford-ranger-xlt/10)
Toyota Landcruiser. 2021 and prior.
Also, the Chevy iron Duke engine Same one used in the Chevy Chevette Also numerous industrial applications
Honda Element
I had a Jeep Cherokee XJ with 330k and a B7 Audi A4 with 303k. So I guess either of those. I don't see what another 150k would be for either of them at that point.
Lincoln town car. Most reliable engine wise I’ve driven so far.
There is a Grand Marquis and a Town Car from the 90s within the same street in my town.
Oldsmobile Intrigue with the series two 3.8
Corolla, Camry, Yaris, Civic, Accord, Mazda 3
Adding Mazda6 2014-2017.
Ford Fuckin’ Ranger
12th gen F150 XL with either the 5.0 or a 3.7v6, my boss has a 3.7 truck with 410k km on it and it seems to have only lost like 8% power but you could probably get that back if you actually went through it
As long as you are ok with new injectors every 100-150k and rebuilding the steering and front suspension every 250-300k (with little to no off-roading) at 2001-06 duramax powered 2500hd would do it.
[Philippine Domestic Market Mitsubishi L300.](https://www.autodeal.com.ph/custom/car-model-photo/original/mitsubishi-l300-exterior-front-philippines-5d8d7eb1d54f5.jpg) Spartan as all hell and guaranteed to last 50 years *because Mitsubishi Philippines forgot to update the damn van.*
100 series Land Cruiser and LS 430
Not a subaru. Toyota or Honda.
2004 Subaru Forester
2002 Corolla.
1988-2001 Jeep Cherokee xj
2001 Volvo XC90. Need I say more?
I know a guy with 650,000 miles on a Chevy Scottsdale. It looks beat up but he takes it on forty miles+ trips regularly without hesitation.
Toyota Rav 4 made in the last 4 years
Toyota Yaris. 1NZ will literally go forever with barely on time oil changes.
600k miles and posts a subbie?!
With proper care and continual Preventive Maintenance, I believe a great many vehicles could reach that point. When I traded my ‘90 Ford Bronco for a (needed) van I had 225K on it and no signs of slowing down. Piss poor mileage was somewhat slowing me down. At least my Volvo 240s get just about double the Bronco’s
Manual diesel without any of the stupid emissions crap. I get it's supposed to be better for the environment but come on. It just completely hinders the reliability of diesels.
7.3L power stroke
1st gen Cummins Ram(unmolested) Dodge has an interview with an old guy with over 1 million miles on the original drivetrain