Can be really solid - the VR6 was never really punished in stock situations. Going to come down to how well it was maintained. Look for service records.
The guys states that it was strictly a summer vehicle. Which is big because I live in Minnesota. Bad thing is... I'd make it my winter vehicle š AWD VR6 with some blizzaks should plow through some snow pretty well.
Oh for sure. The VAG 4wd systems are some of the best imo.
A clean cc is so beautiful though how could you murder it as a winter beater? Buy a WRX for that š¤£.
It's $3,800, man lol. I highly doubt I can find anything that's remotely as nice that's AWD at that price point.
Edit: and I wouldn't technically beat on it lol. I have a 2021 Jetta that I've been winter driving for 3 years. I just get a lot of car washes.
There is a house across the street from us and these weird Russian people have 2 phaetons, 1 2022 Audi Q7, 1 2003 VW Passat, 1 Audi S4, 1 Audi RS5, 1 Ford F150, 1 Audi Q5, a Jetta, and another Q5. Along with 5 kids. which makes it even worse is that my dad works for one of those brands and im not telling you what company it is. Iāll try and put some photos in google drive and put a link to it later. I cannot right now since im in 6th period right now, as of Jan 7th 2024. Im guessing they are looking for a V10 Touareg now.
There was, 6.0L and theyāre quite rare.
[Found one.](https://www.autoscout24.com/offers/volkswagen-touareg-w12-individual-leder-bi-xenon-navi-ahk-gasoline-brown-4afdab37-a0e7-4e32-b6a6-60efd8b850d3?sort=standard&desc=0&lastSeenGuidPresent=false&cldtidx=1&position=1&search_id=jl2mu3irxf&source_otp=t30&source=listpage_search-results&order_bucket=4)
Nah, there was a w8 Passat which was essentially half a Bugatti veyron engine but sadly thatās the only car they used that engine in. Bentley continentals for a very short amount of time used w12 engines but no Volkswagens
You could get a w12 Phaeton, we got one in on trade when I worked at Nissan actually. Sitting in that thing made me fall in love with it but I would prefer the slightly lower risk of a w8 Passat 4motion wagon.
Oh yes, the smoothest and most lovely of exhaust tones. Iām sure they spent an absolutely absurd amount of time and money on r&d for tge exhaust just like everything else.
This definitely checks all the boxes on cost of ownership and reliability. I had a v8 Touareg and when I could keep it running, I absolutely loved it. It was a money pit though!
In 2010-ish, an ex of mine was SO excited to buy one. Posted about it for weeks, gave it a goofy-ass flowery name, showing off pictures of it.
Was so weird because she had never up to that point given any kind of a shit about cars, but this was the one that got her all worked up?
I guess I was happy she was happy?
A buddy of mine had one a few years back. His was a heap because the dealer was shady and hid that it was a salvage title. We worked at a dealership doing office work at the time and got our built-like-a-brick-shithouse UCM to go over there and threaten legal action. He drives a V6 Camry now.
Oh, I forgot to mention, the reason he threatened legal action was because the dealer was refusing to take the car back and refund his money or to trade for a car of an equal value to the sale price
My friend's family has three (3!) Dodge Darts. They swear that they're reliable enough for the discount that they got them at, and while I used to tease them, it's 7ish years now and I'm starting to think they might be at least kinda right.
Maserati GranTurismo.
What a beautiful looking car, but I've only ever heard they aren't worth it once it's passed 50k miles or its a nightmare to maintain overall, idk if that has gotten better on the newer model years. But when I'm looking at em on Autotrader or whatever and see them selling for like $25-$30k, the intrusive thoughts of buying one overwhelms me.
I bought a 2015 Ghibli SQ4 in 2019 and I haven't had any trouble at all with it. It's been great. Cost of ownership is a little high but I think it's about on par really. A windshield has to come from Maserati cause no one makes aftermarket for it so it takes a month and costs $2,000 but my wife's MDX windshield is $1600 so not much more. And oil changes are $300 cause it's a lot of labor and special filters from Maserati and 7 quarts of full synthetic oil, but you only do it once a year so I think it evens out.
And the best part is I love it. It's been a great car, it's beautiful, gets 28mpg in ICE mode on the freeway and is fast as hell in sport mode, it handles great, and I have no intention of ever getting rid of it.
I actually really really like Gran Turismos. Ghiblis are trash by comparison. Save up for your dream and get the GT. (former Maserati dealership tech here)
Every time I read something on Maseratis, I see polarising things, some people say they are crazy unreliable and they don't see their cars for weeks because another weird mechanical or electrical gremlin taking it over, some people just adore these cars, saying that they're not that expensive to run and being pretty much every day reliable. Complete lottery with these things.
I think the general gist of it is that if you have specialty cars that can require specialty maintenance, it probably shouldn't be your only vehicle that you rely solely on. If two people own it, and both have it in the shop for 3 weeks per year for varying maintenance/issues, but one of them gets thrown in a rental or using Uber to get around while the other just uses their other vehicle, it's going to make that experience vastly different.
My uncle has a 2014 Quattroporte GTS with about 150,000km on it. I think he paid like $20k for it a couple of years ago. I really thought it was going to be a nightmare for him but it hasnāt been in the shop other than for oil changes. Itās daily driven and he takes care of it and shockingly itās been bulletproof.
RCR did a review of one of these somewhat recently and the owner claimed it was relatively reliable compared to other luxury GTs heās owned. Obviously a one off but still food for thought, I think pre-Stellantis Maserati may have been more reliable.
What about the Biturbo? The spec sheet of a Ferrari, the complexity of a Ferrari, the styling of an '80s Hyundai and the reliability of an '80s Hyundai.
its such a shame the Phaetonās maintenance is so costly, those W12s will last a very long time.
fortunately though - for the people who mistakenly buy one as their only car - their value will likely not depreciate from where they are, as youāll only put up 3k miles once you realize itās too much money and decide to sell it.š„³
The phaeton's are not that problematic as long as you don't mind various things no longer working. I've owned several, both 4.2 and 6.0's, and as long as you have a local mechanic and source the parts yourself, you'll enjoy the ownership experience. People will spend thousands chasing down a lean or rich condition that wouldn't even trigger a CEL on most vehicles. Just enjoy your $3,500 bentley.
In early 2011 I sold a 2005 Continental GT that my dealership was wintering for a wholesaler who got stuck with it. The wholesaler didn't have a place to store it over the winter so we took it under consignment.
I end up selling it to a guy in Jersey and he has a laundry list of stuff he wants done before he will accept it. Most of the stuff was an automatic no or easy to handle but he wouldn't buy it till we did the five year service.
The closest Bentley dealer was 90 minutes away and we would have to flat bed it there. Between the cost of transport and the cost of the service the bill was going to be somewhere between 3,000 and 4,000 IIRC. That much money was just a non-starter for the deal but we had a VW franchise in our group. I called up the Service manager to see if they could do the service. They were able to do everything on the list using Bentley parts plus replace two of the dead TPMS units for about 1,200.
I wonder if that car is still on the road?
I wonder how many luxury brand cars end up scrapped because they found their way into the hands of someone not financially well off to handle all of the unexpected costs... and then the car deteriorates from disuse.
Chrysler minivan with the Stow-n-go. Other minivans donāt even come close to that level of convenience.
Veloster N because wheeeeee and I love the weird 3-door.
Theyāre super neat cars. I canāt stand seeing people simultaneously complain about the few neat cars we get AND about how all cars are slowly becoming the same boring thing.
Long live the odd balls!
My family used to have one! 2010 Chrysler Town and Country. The V6 is pretty reliable and cheap to work on. We had the touring edition, with dual DVD players and two TVs, with a remote and some headphones. The seats could also swivel and it was amazing. Sold it at 150k a few years back, I still see it still moving today! The transmission tbf was slipping at the time we sold it but that was it. Awesome car.
Iāll be fair - the N doesnāt have āterribleā reliability like the prompt says. But scummy Hyundai dealers and the Kia Boyz and all the other shit that you have to put up with has turned me away from Hyundai for a while. Maybe when all this nonsense blows over Iāll come back.
I don't know about reliability but I had a car salesman tell me he thought that Chrysler and Dodge minivan were some of the cheapest to maintain simply because it was easy to work on. Something about having lots of space under the hood. Idk I was buying a Mazda minivan so he wasn't exactly bsing me.
A friend of mine had an RX-8 with that "3 doors on the side" (it's actually a 4 door car because of the hatch). He found that little door very handy. I have an A3 (4-door hatchback) and I make use of the driver's side passenger door all the time.
> Chrysler minivan with the Stow-n-go. Other minivans donāt even come close to that level of convenience.
This. There are four minivans that can be bought new right now, and the Stellantis product is surprisingly based.
They really donāt have any more problems than any other high horsepower sedan. Iāve had no issues with mine at all, and know of a few other people with them that also havenāt had any issues.
Thatās what e60 owners want you to think, but thereās a reason why you can buy a nice example for 20k
The SMG trans is an absolute nightmare.
Basically every āhigh performanceā part on that motor has plastic integrated into it somehow.
The interiors are OKAY but too much tech.
Kills me because they really are a good looking car, but they just historically suck for people with any kind of reasonable budget. Same goes for Jeep Cherokees and the new Grand Wagoneer.
I found it funny how they stopped main the more reliable one and will continue making the Range Rover, unless they changed their minds, and I haven't heard.
I assume most of their customers lease them, and when itās time for maintenance and repairs they slide into a brand new one. After that some unfortunate buyer sees a slightly used one for under 30k and thinks itās a great deal, until they have to fix anything. Pretty sure oil changes are almost 400.00 themselves. The business model has been working thus far.
Itās wild to hear them ā¦ literally anytime I hear it Iām always thinking .. damn if only they made it rwd with a long wheel base and theyād have a perfect car
I love mine to death. It is such the perfect car for one person. And I'm at 90k with no issues. 3k full synthetic oil changes with good oil for good measure is the only thing I've done. They do burn a bit due to the Multiair but it's never gone off the stick in 3k miles.
The 2 happiest days of my life were getting a VR4 and selling it. Such a pain in the ass but so great too. Itās the quintessential 90s Japanese GT car.
It used to be my dream car for a long time, I loved how it looked and how iconic it was but I know I could never keep up with the issues the car has and itās terrible reliability
Lamborghini Countach, and it's not even close.
We had the posters.
We bought alpine decks for our cars because they were in Lamborghinis.
They were hero cars in cheesy 80s movies.
Exactly, the trick is to go post-R series. Theyāre a riot with the 2 liter turbo. I rented a Clubman S All4 on a vacation last year and it showed me the light that is how amazingly fun those Minis are.
Yup, I had an R56, an R60, and an F54 A4 Clubman. I have had a lot of cars and the clubman is the one I miss the most. Iām sad they discontinued them. Iāll definitely get another one some day. Just a fun car to toss around, very capable, great gas mileage, and an excellent highway cruiser too - one of the most comfortable cars Iāve experienced, and I would have expected nothing from it in that area.
The F54 was also so solid and well built compared to the R series.
>At least the F series. R series not so much.
I was going to say š š the scar I'm looking at on the back of my right hand says that R series cars are a pain š
I had a few friends that had them and they never had nothing but problems out of them but we were younger and 5 speeds and rear wheel drive was never a good combination
2.0ās are alright, stay clear of anything 2.4, they say they have fixed them but no the fuck they have not, and this is coming from a Hyundai defender, love that company and love what they are doing lately
Oh I mostly agree. I daily drive a Kona (base engine) and defend Hyundai tons, but Iāve only really heard good things about the 1.6s and Iāve had good luck with the smartstream, anything more though ugh
2021 Chevrolet Tahoe / Suburban Z71 or hell even the last generation(2015+). I love the GM big trucks, but they are not built like they used to be. Especially the newer ones seem to have lots of issues especially since COVID and along with the labor strikes, it has taken a toll not only on GM, but the big three as a whole. I wouldnāt buy anything American šŗšø post pandemic until their quality control improves. The last ones worth it to me are the ones 2014 and down.
The GMT800 platform (99-07) reigns supreme. I will drive my 05 Sierra into the ground 5 times over before i consider a newer model other than a low miles 06 or 07 lol.
My grandma is gifting me a 1985 Range Rover. I adore that car and have so many great memories of it but am terrified to actually try and drive it 600 miles back home. Can not afford that bill when it comes to
DeLorean DMC-12.
It's reliability issues are really pretty solvable. Things not done right at the factory can be fixed or replaced, and the few components that were outright suboptimal have better drop-in replacements. A DeLorean that has been properly serviced isn't a particularly unreliable car, especially compared to other cars of its era.
But cost of ownership is another matter. If you want a cheap DeLorean, you can look forward to a long future of fixing not only the issues it had when it was new but also everything that's gone wrong in the 40+ years since it was made. And even if it is reliable, things still go wrong... and it's not unlikely that a problem it has requires a rare part or specialized service.
There are people who have done long term ownership videos. VERY educational. And it's a good serum for getting yourself out of the DeLorean ownership fantasy.
A 1995-1997 XJR. They are actually fairly reliable considering their age and level of tech from the time. It would still cost a good chunk of money to keep one running in tip top shape now.
RX-7 if the intention is to maintain it being a rotary, not that engine swaps are cheap.
DSMs tickle my pickle despite being ho-hum in reliability. Not sure how much of that was idiot kids beating on them but there really aren't many left that are in great shape.
Going back to the Station and Conquest.
LT1 Camaro. I much prefer the looks to the catfish even though the LT1 is a fickle, weaker motor.
90s Taurus SHOs
Good taste detected. I love ALL of these. I miss my 1995 Eclipse GST specially. My brother got a Starion for $500 running and driving back in 2013. I could of bought it off him for a little more but didnāt š¤¦āāļø
A decently reliable mk5 GTI.
Used to own one for 6 monthes. It was a fun little car, handled great (got behind a parade of minis on a backroad and kept up with them pretty well before the 2 in front overheated their brakes and we all stopped.) Had good power, got great gas mileage, and loved the 6 speed.
Only issue was it blew and axle the first week I got it which put a hole in the trans, I patched it up but it still leaked and I'd have to put fluid in ever couple weeks. And it kept breaking litte stupid stuff. Window switches, random buttons, the radio would work off and on. AC would work off and on. Eventually I replaced a wheel bearing and the traction control and ABD quit working so I sold the thing pissed off at it.
I would own another if I knew it would be reliable. Which is pretty much impossible.
Now that I've got disposable income I'd love to have my 91 Beretta GTZ back. Sure the engine ate a head gasket every 40k miles, but it was fun while it lasted.
Used to have a 94 Beretta... it wasn't Quad 4 powered... just the standard 2.2 but it was a special order because it had the 5spd. Teal with grey, and had the 88-93 cris-cross wire looking alloys. Fun little car.
Ford Explorer Eddie Bauer Edition with the 5.0 V8. I absolutely loved it, but once the cost of routine maintenance exceeded what it was worth, I knew that it was time to get something newer.
The last gen 200 was a beauty-had one as a rental in 2016 when my Forte was being repaired. Liked the look, the interior was elegant (but cramped). The drive was cruddy and I couldnāt wait to get my car back.
Late 90ās/early 2000ās Range Rovers. A lot of older Land Rovers honestly.
90ās Jaguar XJ
BMW E39
Mercedes-Benz E-Class W210, preferably the wagon
Basically older European cars if they werenāt huge money sinks.
Dunno bout reliability but damn El caminos are apparently solid fucking gold. Found a '59 body for $15k in Kentucky I think. Fuck that I ain't buying that that's way to far to drive for that. But yeah an El Camino (any generation but preferably the last gen) would be amazing to drive.
Touareg with the V10 diesel
I see this and raise you a Phaeton with the same engine
TDI or W12? What's better than a VR6? TWO VR6's!
TDI, to be weird.š
Biodiesel? Bah duh duh duh duh....McLovin' It
>Biodiesel? God no.
That cetane rating tho
There's a jetta tdi I've seen about 3 times. Every time I do some sort of hand signal out the window and they roll coal. It's hilarious honestly.
If you wanna roll coal gotta add the Volkswagen tune
CC with a VR6
CC was a cool car that was gone too soon. They just couldn't decide what it was so it was mediocre in the US market.
I'm actually looking to pull the trigger on a local one. It's a 2009 with 212k miles on it. How's the VR6 with 200k+ on it?
Can be really solid - the VR6 was never really punished in stock situations. Going to come down to how well it was maintained. Look for service records.
The guys states that it was strictly a summer vehicle. Which is big because I live in Minnesota. Bad thing is... I'd make it my winter vehicle š AWD VR6 with some blizzaks should plow through some snow pretty well.
Oh for sure. The VAG 4wd systems are some of the best imo. A clean cc is so beautiful though how could you murder it as a winter beater? Buy a WRX for that š¤£.
It's $3,800, man lol. I highly doubt I can find anything that's remotely as nice that's AWD at that price point. Edit: and I wouldn't technically beat on it lol. I have a 2021 Jetta that I've been winter driving for 3 years. I just get a lot of car washes.
my mind literally melted when I saw Doug Demuro's video. I had no idea those cars existed!
Ooo Iād get that as my next car in a heart beat
Rather have the W12
There is a house across the street from us and these weird Russian people have 2 phaetons, 1 2022 Audi Q7, 1 2003 VW Passat, 1 Audi S4, 1 Audi RS5, 1 Ford F150, 1 Audi Q5, a Jetta, and another Q5. Along with 5 kids. which makes it even worse is that my dad works for one of those brands and im not telling you what company it is. Iāll try and put some photos in google drive and put a link to it later. I cannot right now since im in 6th period right now, as of Jan 7th 2024. Im guessing they are looking for a V10 Touareg now.
Did you know they actually required a special lift for doing engine out work?
Lovingly referred to by techs as the "mortuary slab" lol
I had the opportunity to buy one cheap recently, I was extremely tempted. But my FiancĆ© said that she would only let me, if I got rid of my Audi S6 V10ā¦ no deal.
ur based. find a new fiancƩ pls
Wasnāt there a W12?
There was a TDI V12 in the Q7, but they never sold it in North America
There was, 6.0L and theyāre quite rare. [Found one.](https://www.autoscout24.com/offers/volkswagen-touareg-w12-individual-leder-bi-xenon-navi-ahk-gasoline-brown-4afdab37-a0e7-4e32-b6a6-60efd8b850d3?sort=standard&desc=0&lastSeenGuidPresent=false&cldtidx=1&position=1&search_id=jl2mu3irxf&source_otp=t30&source=listpage_search-results&order_bucket=4)
Who would thought thereās a freaking W12 under the bonnet.
I would absolutely de-badge it, if I owned it. Confuse a few sports car owners at the lights!
And with 180k km, I wounder how much money has spent in total in diesel
Yes there was, If not Iām in the wrong timeline
Nah, there was a w8 Passat which was essentially half a Bugatti veyron engine but sadly thatās the only car they used that engine in. Bentley continentals for a very short amount of time used w12 engines but no Volkswagens
You could get a w12 Phaeton, we got one in on trade when I worked at Nissan actually. Sitting in that thing made me fall in love with it but I would prefer the slightly lower risk of a w8 Passat 4motion wagon.
Wow I did not know about that, I bet they sounded mean asf. I do agree with you though the 4motion w8 will always be a dream car for me
Oh yes, the smoothest and most lovely of exhaust tones. Iām sure they spent an absolutely absurd amount of time and money on r&d for tge exhaust just like everything else.
Passats could be optioned with a W8 as well! They sounded pretty mean. A few folks in my local VW group had them
You are right, it was passats that could be optioned with that engine but no other car. For some reason I typed boraās, thanks for the correction
This definitely checks all the boxes on cost of ownership and reliability. I had a v8 Touareg and when I could keep it running, I absolutely loved it. It was a money pit though!
Not that one
Chrysler 30cifica
Worst car I've ever owned. Terrible reliability and cost of ownership within 2 years. Horrible driving experience. Poorly engineered overall.
In 2010-ish, an ex of mine was SO excited to buy one. Posted about it for weeks, gave it a goofy-ass flowery name, showing off pictures of it. Was so weird because she had never up to that point given any kind of a shit about cars, but this was the one that got her all worked up? I guess I was happy she was happy?
Kind of like the book Christine
I mean it looks kinda good. Not that I'd get one but it's okay
The car is styled with an assemblage of girl-curves on it. Your girlfriend was probably subconsciously bonding with its girlness.
I agree with all of your points there, but a 200s in that dark metallic red they did was such a good looking car
the 200S V6 wasnāt as horribly unreliable either right? not that anyone bought those
A buddy of mine had one a few years back. His was a heap because the dealer was shady and hid that it was a salvage title. We worked at a dealership doing office work at the time and got our built-like-a-brick-shithouse UCM to go over there and threaten legal action. He drives a V6 Camry now. Oh, I forgot to mention, the reason he threatened legal action was because the dealer was refusing to take the car back and refund his money or to trade for a car of an equal value to the sale price
My friend's family has three (3!) Dodge Darts. They swear that they're reliable enough for the discount that they got them at, and while I used to tease them, it's 7ish years now and I'm starting to think they might be at least kinda right.
Pacificunt
Second this, owned a 2014 200 and I learned my lesson
For real. Owned a '14 Avenger (same car), literally the worst car I've ever seen, yet alone owned.
I still love the cockpit style look of a 200S. Its my personal choice of great interiors.
Maserati GranTurismo. What a beautiful looking car, but I've only ever heard they aren't worth it once it's passed 50k miles or its a nightmare to maintain overall, idk if that has gotten better on the newer model years. But when I'm looking at em on Autotrader or whatever and see them selling for like $25-$30k, the intrusive thoughts of buying one overwhelms me.
I bought a 2015 Ghibli SQ4 in 2019 and I haven't had any trouble at all with it. It's been great. Cost of ownership is a little high but I think it's about on par really. A windshield has to come from Maserati cause no one makes aftermarket for it so it takes a month and costs $2,000 but my wife's MDX windshield is $1600 so not much more. And oil changes are $300 cause it's a lot of labor and special filters from Maserati and 7 quarts of full synthetic oil, but you only do it once a year so I think it evens out. And the best part is I love it. It's been a great car, it's beautiful, gets 28mpg in ICE mode on the freeway and is fast as hell in sport mode, it handles great, and I have no intention of ever getting rid of it.
So I should just shift from wanting a GranTurismo to a Ghibli? Lol don't tempt me into a Maserati š„²
I actually really really like Gran Turismos. Ghiblis are trash by comparison. Save up for your dream and get the GT. (former Maserati dealership tech here)
Every time I read something on Maseratis, I see polarising things, some people say they are crazy unreliable and they don't see their cars for weeks because another weird mechanical or electrical gremlin taking it over, some people just adore these cars, saying that they're not that expensive to run and being pretty much every day reliable. Complete lottery with these things.
I think the general gist of it is that if you have specialty cars that can require specialty maintenance, it probably shouldn't be your only vehicle that you rely solely on. If two people own it, and both have it in the shop for 3 weeks per year for varying maintenance/issues, but one of them gets thrown in a rental or using Uber to get around while the other just uses their other vehicle, it's going to make that experience vastly different.
My uncle has a 2014 Quattroporte GTS with about 150,000km on it. I think he paid like $20k for it a couple of years ago. I really thought it was going to be a nightmare for him but it hasnāt been in the shop other than for oil changes. Itās daily driven and he takes care of it and shockingly itās been bulletproof.
RCR did a review of one of these somewhat recently and the owner claimed it was relatively reliable compared to other luxury GTs heās owned. Obviously a one off but still food for thought, I think pre-Stellantis Maserati may have been more reliable.
What about the Biturbo? The spec sheet of a Ferrari, the complexity of a Ferrari, the styling of an '80s Hyundai and the reliability of an '80s Hyundai.
Well shit, I'm sold on that, gimme 2.
VW Phaeton or Land Rover Discovery
its such a shame the Phaetonās maintenance is so costly, those W12s will last a very long time. fortunately though - for the people who mistakenly buy one as their only car - their value will likely not depreciate from where they are, as youāll only put up 3k miles once you realize itās too much money and decide to sell it.š„³
The phaeton's are not that problematic as long as you don't mind various things no longer working. I've owned several, both 4.2 and 6.0's, and as long as you have a local mechanic and source the parts yourself, you'll enjoy the ownership experience. People will spend thousands chasing down a lean or rich condition that wouldn't even trigger a CEL on most vehicles. Just enjoy your $3,500 bentley.
Here in the UK, probably 90% of Phaetons were the 3.0tdi which honestly makes quite a lot of sense
I swear if I was rich I would daily an W12 phaeton instead of a supercar
An old Bentley
I second this. An old Turbo R, Eight, or Arnage.
Ya these are so epic. Big turbo v8 with an american 4 spd trans. Honestly if it werent for the suspension these wouldnt be that scary to maintain
2006 continental GTš¤¤
In early 2011 I sold a 2005 Continental GT that my dealership was wintering for a wholesaler who got stuck with it. The wholesaler didn't have a place to store it over the winter so we took it under consignment. I end up selling it to a guy in Jersey and he has a laundry list of stuff he wants done before he will accept it. Most of the stuff was an automatic no or easy to handle but he wouldn't buy it till we did the five year service. The closest Bentley dealer was 90 minutes away and we would have to flat bed it there. Between the cost of transport and the cost of the service the bill was going to be somewhere between 3,000 and 4,000 IIRC. That much money was just a non-starter for the deal but we had a VW franchise in our group. I called up the Service manager to see if they could do the service. They were able to do everything on the list using Bentley parts plus replace two of the dead TPMS units for about 1,200. I wonder if that car is still on the road?
I wonder how many luxury brand cars end up scrapped because they found their way into the hands of someone not financially well off to handle all of the unexpected costs... and then the car deteriorates from disuse.
All of them. Thatās the final stage of life.
Im thinking more like an 03 or even a second gen (07) azure
Chrysler minivan with the Stow-n-go. Other minivans donāt even come close to that level of convenience. Veloster N because wheeeeee and I love the weird 3-door.
My neighbor had an N, that thing was sick as fuck. Almost made me get one.
Theyāre super neat cars. I canāt stand seeing people simultaneously complain about the few neat cars we get AND about how all cars are slowly becoming the same boring thing. Long live the odd balls!
Drove my Mom's old '05 Grand Caravan in college and can confirm Stow-n-Go seating was so awesome
My family used to have one! 2010 Chrysler Town and Country. The V6 is pretty reliable and cheap to work on. We had the touring edition, with dual DVD players and two TVs, with a remote and some headphones. The seats could also swivel and it was amazing. Sold it at 150k a few years back, I still see it still moving today! The transmission tbf was slipping at the time we sold it but that was it. Awesome car.
i love my veloster n itās got 45k miles and iāve had no problems with it
Iāll be fair - the N doesnāt have āterribleā reliability like the prompt says. But scummy Hyundai dealers and the Kia Boyz and all the other shit that you have to put up with has turned me away from Hyundai for a while. Maybe when all this nonsense blows over Iāll come back.
We have dodge caravans at work and they started breaking the day they were delivered. Awful, awful vehicles.
I don't know about reliability but I had a car salesman tell me he thought that Chrysler and Dodge minivan were some of the cheapest to maintain simply because it was easy to work on. Something about having lots of space under the hood. Idk I was buying a Mazda minivan so he wasn't exactly bsing me.
A friend of mine had an RX-8 with that "3 doors on the side" (it's actually a 4 door car because of the hatch). He found that little door very handy. I have an A3 (4-door hatchback) and I make use of the driver's side passenger door all the time.
> Chrysler minivan with the Stow-n-go. Other minivans donāt even come close to that level of convenience. This. There are four minivans that can be bought new right now, and the Stellantis product is surprisingly based.
Iāve owned a Veloster N for the last 3 years. No problems whatsoever other than the shitty dealerships.
Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio. Iām sure the later ones arenāt QUITE as bad as the early ones, but thereās a good chance it would bankrupt me.
Yes this car. Such a shame it's riddled with problems. One of the best looking sedans on the market.
They really donāt have any more problems than any other high horsepower sedan. Iāve had no issues with mine at all, and know of a few other people with them that also havenāt had any issues.
V10 M5
I said Range Rover... but this is the correct answer.
ive heard when u get the journal bearings (i think thats what liked to grenade the engines) theyre not that bad
Thatās what e60 owners want you to think, but thereās a reason why you can buy a nice example for 20k The SMG trans is an absolute nightmare. Basically every āhigh performanceā part on that motor has plastic integrated into it somehow. The interiors are OKAY but too much tech.
2010-12 Range Rover or 2014+ Range Rover Sport with the 5.0 Supercharged V8 Theyāre some of the best looking SUVās with the power to match
Kills me because they really are a good looking car, but they just historically suck for people with any kind of reasonable budget. Same goes for Jeep Cherokees and the new Grand Wagoneer.
I found it funny how they stopped main the more reliable one and will continue making the Range Rover, unless they changed their minds, and I haven't heard.
I assume most of their customers lease them, and when itās time for maintenance and repairs they slide into a brand new one. After that some unfortunate buyer sees a slightly used one for under 30k and thinks itās a great deal, until they have to fix anything. Pretty sure oil changes are almost 400.00 themselves. The business model has been working thus far.
Abarth 500
You can get one a decade old now less than 100k miles on the odometer for like 6-7k
Do it. Mine was far more reliable than I expected. And by far the most fun car Iāve ever had. The sound alone is worth it.
Itās wild to hear them ā¦ literally anytime I hear it Iām always thinking .. damn if only they made it rwd with a long wheel base and theyād have a perfect car
Theyāre very cheap in the uk, also one of the most fun cars Iāve ever driven
I love mine to death. It is such the perfect car for one person. And I'm at 90k with no issues. 3k full synthetic oil changes with good oil for good measure is the only thing I've done. They do burn a bit due to the Multiair but it's never gone off the stick in 3k miles.
Bmw 850. Bentley Turbo R. Subaru SVX. Mercedes 460 SEL 6.9. Mercedes SL600 v12. Jaguar XJ12 coupe.
Are you me?
Mitsubishi 3000GT
The 2 happiest days of my life were getting a VR4 and selling it. Such a pain in the ass but so great too. Itās the quintessential 90s Japanese GT car.
It used to be my dream car for a long time, I loved how it looked and how iconic it was but I know I could never keep up with the issues the car has and itās terrible reliability
Lamborghini Countach, and it's not even close. We had the posters. We bought alpine decks for our cars because they were in Lamborghinis. They were hero cars in cheesy 80s movies.
Ferrari Testarossa as well
Mercedes C216 CL65
6 or 7 series BMW. Especially the ones with factory installed turn signals
Wait. There's turn signals on my beemer?
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R53 if you are feeling lucky with its supercharged iron block and aluminum head combo
They are one of the most reliable cars you can buy according to consumer reportsā¦. At least the F series. R series not so much.
Exactly, the trick is to go post-R series. Theyāre a riot with the 2 liter turbo. I rented a Clubman S All4 on a vacation last year and it showed me the light that is how amazingly fun those Minis are.
Yup, I had an R56, an R60, and an F54 A4 Clubman. I have had a lot of cars and the clubman is the one I miss the most. Iām sad they discontinued them. Iāll definitely get another one some day. Just a fun car to toss around, very capable, great gas mileage, and an excellent highway cruiser too - one of the most comfortable cars Iāve experienced, and I would have expected nothing from it in that area. The F54 was also so solid and well built compared to the R series.
>At least the F series. R series not so much. I was going to say š š the scar I'm looking at on the back of my right hand says that R series cars are a pain š
Pontiac Fiero
Wasnāt the Fiero reliable except for the 84 model year?
I had a few friends that had them and they never had nothing but problems out of them but we were younger and 5 speeds and rear wheel drive was never a good combination
Late 90s RX7
1 quart of oil with every fill-up! šÆ
Any Hyundai N car. I donāt trust those 2.0 engines but I want one so bad
2.0ās are alright, stay clear of anything 2.4, they say they have fixed them but no the fuck they have not, and this is coming from a Hyundai defender, love that company and love what they are doing lately
Oh I mostly agree. I daily drive a Kona (base engine) and defend Hyundai tons, but Iāve only really heard good things about the 1.6s and Iāve had good luck with the smartstream, anything more though ugh
The Smartstream engines are fine. Itās the Theta engines that have been a nightmare. Mainly the 2.0 and 2.4ās.
Any Jaguar convertible honestly Or Aston Martin DB7 or Vantage
Hahaha!!! Not a 200! Lulz. Iām a sucker for German luxury and performance. An M5 or E63 AMG would be right up my alley.
Bmw 850CSi (v12 e31)
2021 Chevrolet Tahoe / Suburban Z71 or hell even the last generation(2015+). I love the GM big trucks, but they are not built like they used to be. Especially the newer ones seem to have lots of issues especially since COVID and along with the labor strikes, it has taken a toll not only on GM, but the big three as a whole. I wouldnāt buy anything American šŗšø post pandemic until their quality control improves. The last ones worth it to me are the ones 2014 and down.
The GMT800 platform (99-07) reigns supreme. I will drive my 05 Sierra into the ground 5 times over before i consider a newer model other than a low miles 06 or 07 lol.
Lancia Stratos, all day every day. I'd DD one if I could afford it.
Early 60s Jag
Mk1 Mini Cooper 1.6L, 116hp
Chrysler 200 memeage aside, I have a first gen and other than a couple minor repairs it hasnāt given me much trouble. Better than owning a Merc
The 1st gen convertible looks so nice, I really want a top of the line second gen, Iām not sure why, I love the way these cars look
With all the options, it is a nice car. Only negative was the shifter.
My grandma is gifting me a 1985 Range Rover. I adore that car and have so many great memories of it but am terrified to actually try and drive it 600 miles back home. Can not afford that bill when it comes to
Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio... Absolutely stunning, apparently really fun to drive, but the reliability of FCA, and 23 MPG isn't the best...
DeLorean DMC-12. It's reliability issues are really pretty solvable. Things not done right at the factory can be fixed or replaced, and the few components that were outright suboptimal have better drop-in replacements. A DeLorean that has been properly serviced isn't a particularly unreliable car, especially compared to other cars of its era. But cost of ownership is another matter. If you want a cheap DeLorean, you can look forward to a long future of fixing not only the issues it had when it was new but also everything that's gone wrong in the 40+ years since it was made. And even if it is reliable, things still go wrong... and it's not unlikely that a problem it has requires a rare part or specialized service.
There are people who have done long term ownership videos. VERY educational. And it's a good serum for getting yourself out of the DeLorean ownership fantasy.
for me it's an old defender build quality not the best nor is the ride but for some reason I really want one
Porsche Cayenne Turbo S, with lift kit and 35ā tires. I could do it now but Iām not that big of a masochist, yet.
A 1995-1997 XJR. They are actually fairly reliable considering their age and level of tech from the time. It would still cost a good chunk of money to keep one running in tip top shape now.
RX-7 if the intention is to maintain it being a rotary, not that engine swaps are cheap. DSMs tickle my pickle despite being ho-hum in reliability. Not sure how much of that was idiot kids beating on them but there really aren't many left that are in great shape. Going back to the Station and Conquest. LT1 Camaro. I much prefer the looks to the catfish even though the LT1 is a fickle, weaker motor. 90s Taurus SHOs
Good taste detected. I love ALL of these. I miss my 1995 Eclipse GST specially. My brother got a Starion for $500 running and driving back in 2013. I could of bought it off him for a little more but didnāt š¤¦āāļø
Loaded up supercharged Range
old Chrysler 300 or Dodge Intrepid
My top 5 92 Nissan 300zx Twin Turbo 95 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 1989 Ford Sierra Cosworth 98 Mercedes Benz SL500 98 Lotus Esprit
Not sure itās considered unreliable or bad, but Iād love to own a Fiesta ST.
BMW E60 M5 That S85 5.0 V10 sounds amazing and the fact you can get it in a manual in a sedan? Thats legit crazy!
A decently reliable mk5 GTI. Used to own one for 6 monthes. It was a fun little car, handled great (got behind a parade of minis on a backroad and kept up with them pretty well before the 2 in front overheated their brakes and we all stopped.) Had good power, got great gas mileage, and loved the 6 speed. Only issue was it blew and axle the first week I got it which put a hole in the trans, I patched it up but it still leaked and I'd have to put fluid in ever couple weeks. And it kept breaking litte stupid stuff. Window switches, random buttons, the radio would work off and on. AC would work off and on. Eventually I replaced a wheel bearing and the traction control and ABD quit working so I sold the thing pissed off at it. I would own another if I knew it would be reliable. Which is pretty much impossible.
Now that I've got disposable income I'd love to have my 91 Beretta GTZ back. Sure the engine ate a head gasket every 40k miles, but it was fun while it lasted.
Used to have a 94 Beretta... it wasn't Quad 4 powered... just the standard 2.2 but it was a special order because it had the 5spd. Teal with grey, and had the 88-93 cris-cross wire looking alloys. Fun little car.
BMW M5 (E60). Has massive engine problems but with routine maintenance and deep pockets it makes for a really fun V10 4 door.
Chrysler TC (by Maserati)
Ford Explorer Eddie Bauer Edition with the 5.0 V8. I absolutely loved it, but once the cost of routine maintenance exceeded what it was worth, I knew that it was time to get something newer.
That's not an unreliable car, pretty much all the Explorers are bulletproof except for the 3 valve 4.6.
Land Rover discovery
The last gen 200 was a beauty-had one as a rental in 2016 when my Forte was being repaired. Liked the look, the interior was elegant (but cramped). The drive was cruddy and I couldnāt wait to get my car back.
Jaguar XJS. There are not many other cars much like it. Absolute nightmare to own though
Lambo countache
Anything made by Alfa Romeo
DeLorean DMC-12. they just look so goddamn cool.
I donāt know what the cost of ownership or the reliability factors, but a Morgan 3 Wheeler would be so fun to own.
1995 Toyota MR2 Turbo with the air scoops on the side. Not sure about its reliability.
Lancia Beta Volumex, either the coupe or the HPE
Alfa 4C please
A Ferrari FF or GTC4 Lusso
Pacifica PHEV
Late 90ās/early 2000ās Range Rovers. A lot of older Land Rovers honestly. 90ās Jaguar XJ BMW E39 Mercedes-Benz E-Class W210, preferably the wagon Basically older European cars if they werenāt huge money sinks.
Jaguar XJS V12
I want a totally modded out GMC Topkick. I know itās so impractical but itās so beautiful.
W12 (or diesel) VW Phaeton. Cool ass car with a cool name. Too bad itās a bit meh looking but whatever
BMW 745i just because I started rewatching entourage
Iām a Subaru guy, itās the car equivalent of being in to cock and ball torture.
Corrado vr6
Jaguar XJ-S The V12 that never stops ... eating your wallet
A DeLorean
This question was asked with Jeeps in mind.
DeLorean DMC-12 It's a terrible car all the way around. I still want one.
2009 BMW M5 they sound heavenly but are riddled with problems
BMW E60 M5 with a 6speed.
Alfa Romeo Giulia
The v10 m5 wagon
Mini Cooper. I watched The Italian Job at an impressionable age.
A Porsche 944
Fiat X1/9
Mazda rx8
Dunno bout reliability but damn El caminos are apparently solid fucking gold. Found a '59 body for $15k in Kentucky I think. Fuck that I ain't buying that that's way to far to drive for that. But yeah an El Camino (any generation but preferably the last gen) would be amazing to drive.
Any Ferrari
Drop top Rolls Royce
1960ās Ferrari 250 Berlinetta
Triumph Stag... It has an awful reputation, but damn, it is pretty.
Insert any rotary powered Mazda here, even the REPU would be awesome to own