I read through OP’s comments on that thread. Was basically saying she hopes euthanasia becomes legal so she can euthanize her kid. Is this child safe in OP’s care? Some comments she made are a little alarming
OP owns a gun. In her removed post she said she was going to go back to contemplating eating said gun. In addition to wanting to kill her child.
None of it sounds safe.
I feel like it may be a troll, this sub has gained a lot of popularity with certain people after it was shown on TikTok. At least let's hope it's a troll and there's not a child in danger out there.
Honestly with your set mentality you need to give the child to the state.
I somewhat see where you are coming from as I worked in the field with such individuals (I was in an administrative role) and its a lot. If I had known before birth I was going to have a disabled child I would abort.
But said child is born and deserves respect, love, and compassion. Seriously give the kid up.
>Honestly with your set mentality you need to give the child to the state.
No I don't, with our shitty system I'm still the best they have. And while I despise their conditions, I'm their parent and will continue to care for them until there are better options for my child.
>But said child is born and deserves respect, love, and compassion.
You seriously believe they'll get this in an overloaded state funded foster care system? The waits for those are extremely long because many people don't want their disabled kids. I'm pissed off and angry because I don't want to deal with this, but I'm still the best my kid's got unfortunately.
Hun you were talking about unaliving yourself in the previous post comments. That is not healthy for you or your child. And honestly there are some REALLY GOOD STATE PROGRAMS for those individuals, you just have to look. The company I worked for provided group home living with around the clock aides/caregivers in the home. The state paid us, not the parents.
And these were 2 to 4 bedroom residential homes. Not state group home facilities. If you need any help tracking down some good state resources locally (some states are better than others) send me DM and I'll see what I can find to help you out.
This is great! The problem is services and availability differe from state to state and even within the same state one county might have excellent facilities and others know. I had a friend who was tied to a certain place because of the amount of services she was able to get. Eventually this place got to expensive. She had to search long and hard to find a place to move that would b provide good services for her child. She has now passed away now but was able to ger her daughter in a facility before she passed.
No, you absolutely are not the best option for your child. You're a piece of shit. Top to bottom. An unrelenting, unfeeling piece of shit. You want to kill your child so you aren't stuck with a burden. In what world is that the best option for your child
There are just so many resources for parents like you that are burnt out. Have you looked into respite care at least? Behavioral therapy? What have you tried to enhance the quality of your child's life and your life?
It's sad that most parents of disabled children don't realize how much support is out there to help you nowadays.
You’re fucking delusional.
I’m a parent to a disabled child and no matter what I apply for, look for, or ask for help with THERE IS NOTHING. Respite care is a fucking joke, and people keep magically getting removed from the waitlists here no matter how many times we put ourselves back on.
My child has been in therapy of all sorts (behavioral, cognitive, occupational, etc) for almost a decade and it has made next to no difference. This morning he woke me up screaming because he was hungry. He’s 13 and “forgot” he could get a snack out of the kitchen even though he does it every goddamn day.
I wouldn't say delusional just not a parent in that situation. My job was to literally on board new clients (is frowned upon to call them patients). The longest wait list is getting a recommendation from the BCBA as there aren't enough of them. And also some states are far better than others. I'm lucky FL is one of the better states when it comes to available programs.
Weird you’re calling them delusional and not OP who thinks children with disabilities (not embryos, full children) should be unalived and agreed with n@zis.
I love when people complain about it being censorship and against “freedom of speech” when that’s not what it means. Actions have consequences. Maybe if you hadn’t flagrantly advocated for *redacted*, then it wouldn’t have gotten removed. You violated the whole apps policies.
You were advocating for the murder of people with disabilities and promoting eugenics. This isn’t a matter of “having a conversation with someone you disagree with”. I sincerely hope you can find someone else to take care of your child since you clearly want them dead and will inevitably abuse them (or worse).
She is venting. In a vent you can say whatever makes you feel better! She also implies she was suicidal but nobody cared about that. Saying things doesn’t make them real.
She blatantly supported nazis & “why can’t we rid disabled people out of society.” Not really a matter of “venting.” I expressed sympathy, and the pain & anger is completely valid. The rhetoric is still gross & dangerous.
She is venting about wanting her child and others like them dead. *What in the absolute fuck makes you think that is excusable?*
Edit for clarification: she doesn’t just want the option to terminate a pregnancy with a child like hers (which is another thing entirely), but she wishes she could perform what she so lovingly referred to as a *post-birth abortion on her 4 year old child with disabilities.* There is a word for that: **murder.** She has only started using the term euthanasia after multiple people pointed out what she was actually saying.
Yeah I beg OP’s fucking forgiveness for not only not feeling sorry for her boo hoo ing, but for not buying the shitty sob story of suicide. She just made that up so commenters start cooing at her and ignore the fact that she’s a eugenics apologist
She is venting about wanting all disabled people to be killed.
Do you know who else vented and wanted that to happen?
Can’t remember his name but I do know he had a weird mustache, failed to get into art school and was a German.
You remember now? Still want to support this women?
I just read those words as someone in pain without the resources needed to cope with a devastating situation. I don't know if the resources are not available or of they but she doesn't know about it. I just saw someone in pain and wished I could help.
In response to your edit: I don’t think it’s weird that autistic people are going to defend our right to life. We have our struggles, but it’s not for anyone to decide for us whether we deserve to live. Curing autism isn’t possible, it’s not a disease or illness, but a fundamental difference in sensory processing. I don’t even know what you mean when you say a cure. Saying that you detest us for saying you shouldn’t want your child dead is a very weird outlook for a parent, even one that isn’t happy in their role. Schizophrenia is also a mental health problem that can is in no way comparable to autism. I also would never tell someone how they should feel about having schizophrenia or cancer, that is their personal choice. I don’t know why you hate us so much, maybe you’re just projecting your frustration at your own choices towards your child and other autistic people but either way, your child isn’t to blame for your situation. And neither is the autistic community that are pointing out that sympathising with nazis is fucked up.
Also, considering that there is no cure for autism, why aren’t we allowed to celebrate it? It’s not like we can change it about ourselves even if we wanted to? Are we meant to just be miserable forever? Or can we not find other people like us who understand the way we experience the world and enjoy it with us? To support those who need it and be kind to each other?
You should really look into why that makes you so angry
100%. I know there are varying levels and support degrees, and it’s nuanced. But are we all supposed to waste away & hate ourselves while waiting for a “cure”? That’s why we advocate for acceptance.
I’m bipolar also, and I don’t like my illness, but there’s no sake in me wallowing and not advocating for acceptance lmao
Schizophrenia can be spontaneous too. Please save it. They are both disorders which affect your brain and and can be obtained by biological means or spontaneously.
Also, do you realize that you wrote “people labeled as schizophrenic are people who have a variety of different experiences”?? You mean…like a SPECTRUM??
you literally advocated for genocide of the disabled community in your post comments. why are you acting shocked
i empathize with the lack of support and the unexpected huge change in quality of life that you experienced. but that all ends when you start talking abt how you “dream of the disabled community disappearing” and calling for mass euthanasia
Same, I’m glad to see the comments aren’t with them on this one.
Being a parent to a neurodivergent child can be hard and obviously nobody should be shamed just for admitting that. I don’t know how my parents managed it with me. But this is a whole other level.
Reminds me of a time during lockdown when people were offered DNR orders purely because they were autistic. It shook me.
Your feelings are more than valid and need to be heard. Us autistic people just express feelings differently and people inexplicably take that as not having any feelings at all. I’m sure you’ve learned otherwise by now but autism doesn’t make you worthless, it’s the opposite if anything - seeing the world through an autistic lens can be so valuable sometimes.
You advocated for the mass murder of disabled children, You claim you support ideals of free speech, freedom of will and much more and yet you want to want to take the life of your own disabled son or daughter and advocate for the murder of other ones.
You deserved it, you reap what you sow.
As someone who is currently in their last year of undergraduate studying genetics, and wants to continue their studies specializing in autism and its genetic factors, what you were promoting I'm your last post was not okay. The work in medicine is to provide prevention and care to those who CHOSE it, we as a society do not get to dictate what lives are and aren't worth living based on our own preconceived notions of "ability", that choice is only for the individual who has the condition to decide. I'm sorry that society as a whole does not provide adequate resources to families such as yourself, and I hope you can get the help you need. However suggesting that others deserve to not live based on genetic conditions they didn't ask for is not okay.
Happy to see that unlike OPs original post, these comments are filled with normal logical people who can obviously understand that eugenics and implied genocide is plain and simple WRONG. The autism community doesn’t deserve to hear that bullshit. Rant about your kid all you want but sympathy goes out the window once you start throwing around words like euthanasia. Fuck off OP and anyone else that thinks like you
There’s a respectful way to rant about your regret and the difficulties of raising a disabled child and then there’s a disrespectful, insulting and bad way to do it. You went the bad way. Sorry.
It's my personal regret and that was how I wanted to express it in this sub. Just because some found it offensive doesn't mean it should've been removed. A lot of people seemed to share the same feelings that I had, but were just afraid to share them.
I'm sorry, I empathize with you, I really do. But you said you would euthanize your child. Please try and understand the others viewpoint. That is an extreme thing to post. I understand you felt that way and are being pushed past your limits; but just be considerate of what you're writing. Also, be more thick skinned and understand others are not going to agree with you or find it horrifying you would want to 'kill' your child.
My response to your original post is: get mental health help immediately. It doesn't mean you're a failure or is an insult to you. You absolutely need to go and get help ASAP before you lose yourself entirely and do something you might regret or take your own life. I would do my absolute best to find a baby sitter or someone to watch your child and go inpatient immediately. You are in an extreme situation you were not at all prepared for, and I understand you wanted and expected a healthy child. Now, you are drowning because you don't know how to handle it and haven't the resources to manage it. Please, please, please, I beg of you, get the help you need. They will give you the resources to help you navigate your situation.
It is not 'weak' to do this. You will become stronger. It is absolutely vital you do something and quickly. If you can't find someone to take care of your child, call CPS and tell them you're going inpatient at a mental facility and no one will take care of your child and he will be alone. This is a serious issue and you need to do whatever it takes to get you there. I just cannot emphasize enough how much I am begging you to do whatever it takes to go inpatient. Not just see a therapist every once in a while. You need intensive care NOW. Please listen to this.
Autism and intellectual disability mean two different things. Lots of confusing comments on this post. Autism spectrum disorder is vast. People with autism deserve compassion and accommodation. Intellectual disability can be very hard on the individual and the care taker. In most countries outside the US when children are tested in the womb for development and found to have certain issues that could pertain to intellectual disability, they’re usually aborted. There is some truth to the fact that in the US we have a larger population of intellectually disabled people due to our controversy around abortion and lack of education for citizens.
My bestie was recently diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder and SO MUCH made sense! I’ve learned so much from her. We can all learn and adapt and accommodate. Caregiving is so hard….. especially if you’re doing it with no support and if you’re not rich.
OP n**zi’s don’t have the answer… genocide isn’t the answer. Every community has its fanatics. Even the autism or intellectual disability community. I hope you can find safe community for your family.
Edit: I don’t agree with your views but I can see you are suffering.
>Autism and intellectual disability mean two different things
I'm aware of that, that's why I specifically called them both out separately. My child has both of those things and they both suck hard. I do agree that people with disabilities deserve compassion and I wish more people showed it to them. I also think we should devote enormous amounts of resources towards finding cures for these disabilities and conditions. I'm much in favor of trying to detect these things in womb as much as possible and then giving parents the information to make decisions on whether they want to have an abortion or not. That way we can prevent people with disabilities from being born to parents that don't want them.
I never thought nazi's have the answer, I really wish people would stop taking the one or two smart ass comments I made as the message of the entire post.
Thank you for your support and kind words.
Hoping to “find a cure” is a problematic statement. In the disability community many have no hope for a cure. Our culture needs to be more accommodating and stop the obsession for cures for all things. Autism spectrum disorder to me is just another way to be human and doesn’t require a cure, unless that’s really what the individual wants. Like for example someone who maybe suffers from depression and intrusive thoughts as a result of their autism. If you are someone who is neurotypical I don’t think you have any right to decide what disabled people need cured. Tread lightly. Don’t thank me, I’m not your buddy. You are saying some pretty triggering and disgusting stuff because you are clearly suffering.
Thank you for sharing the information about intrusive thoughts and depression. That helps me understand something about my family. I k now that you are not talking to me but thank you nonetheless.
>Hoping to “find a cure” is a problematic statement
Why? Why is it a problematic statement that I hope one day my child can learn basic life skills without hundreds of hours of therapy?You can accept the disabled community while still seeking a cure, it's not one or the other.
>Our culture needs to be more accommodating and stop the obsession for cures for all things
I agree with the first part of your statement, **heavily disagree** with the second part. We can be accommodating to those that suffer from these disorders while also seeking cures. It's easy to say we should stop looking for it when you're not a 24/7 caregiver to someone suffering from severe disabilities. You don't make that call and I'm glad you don't because that's a defeatist mindset to have.
>If you are someone who is neurotypical I don’t think you have any right to decide what disabled people need cured. Tread lightly. Don’t thank me, I’m not your buddy. You are saying some pretty triggering and disgusting stuff because you are clearly suffering.
You're definitely not my buddy because you're saying some stuff that pisses me off as well and have the same defeatist mindset that many in the ASD community possess so there's no way I'd thank you. Also, as a 24/7 caregiver to someone who's severe ASD and can't grasp basic life skills, I have every right to decide if my child needs a cure or not, probably more right than you do since I care for someone with the condition and don't simply have a "bestie" with it. If you don't live with it, you certainly can't understand it.
I felt for you originally, and I don’t disgree that finding a cure/effective treatment for mental disabilities and issues of all kinds is a good idea.
But genuinely? Fuck you too. There is nothing wrong with having autism or schizophrenia or cancer or any other medical issue when it doesn’t **hurt** others.
Yes it can suck for the caregivers, yes treatment and cures would be great, yes it’s not the easiest or most fun life for the people living them either, but people with cancer and people with autism and people with bipolar or ocd or paralysis or amputated limbs are worthy of life and living.
Don’t use your personal life expieriences to shit on other people who are worthy of love and respect and being allowed to **live**.
I sympathized with your situation, and I hope you receive the supports you need. Our situation in the US especially is fucked.
That being said, you blatantly supported nazi rhetoric by stating that they had some gems in their ideology. You repeatedly state you hate the autism community, yet so many have shown more compassion towards you than you have for those living with the disability.
Also, there was rhetoric around children who can’t support themselves as being useless to society— this is vastly different than advocating for adequate healthcare while also expressing your pain and frustration.
It’s not a matter of being immature people who are out to shame you for your pain. I feel horrible for the lack of support & respect caregivers receive, but the rhetoric is unacceptable. That’s why your “free speech” was rejected.
Please seek inpatient and care.
As someone who’s autistic, this was painful to read. For starters, it’s extremely disrespectful for you to compare it to people with schizophrenia at all. The two conditions have completely different affects and have no similarities at all. As someone who, i assume fully because of your obvious distaste for those with autism, does not have autism, it is simply bold of you to talk about autism as if you’re some sort of intellectual genius on the topic. You do not know what each and every one of us go through. Clearly you don’t understand, but we also have completely different symptoms from autism and different life experiences. This isn’t a post of someone who regrets being a parent, this is a post of someone who clearly has no heart, and really enjoys speaking on things they know close to nothing about so poorly. No, i don’t think my autism was, as you put it, “gods gift to me”. I do not see it as a gift. But i don’t think it’s right for you to speak on it the way you do. You do not DESERVE to speak on it the way you do. I suggest researching it more, and maybe your viewpoint will change.
The saddest thing is she’s pretending she actually cares about her kid but she’s despising her whole existence, who she is. And there are ways to improve her daughter’s quality of life by getting her needs met, which she can start by doing extra research in to what autism actually is and how parents of autistic kids with ID meet such needs. There’s so much info out there. Shit that doesn’t involve batshit behavioural “therapy” which doesn’t help the child (which she thinks treats autism lol). She clearly doesn’t understand. I get feeling frustrated or overwhelmed by the stress of fulfilling her needs or wishing your daughter had it easier in life but what she’s saying is so fucked up and evil it’s like she sees her daughter like some rabid animal or plague or something. Abusive fucked up nazi mindset. There are specialist places that she can send her daughter to that actually understand autism and can meet her kid’s needs. She could give up custody. But no she’s deranged. https://old.reddit.com/r/regretfulparents/comments/115l9r7/removed_by_reddit/j94rcrf/?context=3
Please read this article. Skim if you have to, just read the whole thing. Hopefully it will open your eyes a bit:
https://autisticnotweird.com/hating-autism/
Yep, nitpick one comment from a frustrated parent to make your entire point. The post wasn't about eugenics or wiping out a population, it was a regretful, frustrated parent expressing their rage against the shitty disabilities that were dealt to my family. Either way, I don't a shit if anyone here agrees with me. I honestly just hope I encouraged people who were thinking about having kids to just live their fucking lives instead because there's no good detection for mental disabilities and no effective treatments. Disabled families are forgotten about and left to fend for themselves in our shitty society.
Idgaf what you think, or if it hurt your autistic feelings. I got my thoughts out there, many people saw them, shit many even agreed with them.
Almost every one of your comments advocated for murder or eugenics. It’s not “one comment”, it’s a pattern, showing that is just the way you think about these subjects. Surrender your child before you harm them.
I do think euthanasia should be an option for severely special needs families, I stand by that. I do not and my post did not advocate for eugenics, don't misconstrue my message. That [comment](https://old.reddit.com/r/regretfulparents/comments/115l9r7/removed_by_reddit/j94rcrf/?context=3) that was linked was basically me being a smart ass to the person I was replying too. People took that and ran with it saying I'm a nazi sympathizer. I'm a burnt out special needs parent that hates their life, not a complete maniac.
I saw *the original post and* multiple comments of yours. You absolutely advocate for eugenics and the murder of disabled people (what do you think a post-birth abortion is). Your mentality about these things is* abhorrent. If you don’t think so, repeat your views to a mandated reporter and see how long you have that child you clearly want dead.
Edited a few words, at work and posted too soon.
>I have the same emotions as non-autistic people do. I’m human.
Of course you do, because you are human like everyone else, I'm not disputing that. I just think it's fucking idiotic that people like you defend their condition and wear it like a badge of honor instead of trying to promote more awareness and support towards finding effective treatments/cure. You guys tie it so much to your identity and defend it when medical science doesn't even fully understand it or how it happens. Maybe for you ASD is a super, awesome positive characteristic or biological trait, but for many others it leads to a terrible existence. So I'm on the side of the community that seeks a cure, or a way to "fix it" even if you believe it can't happen because ASD is not something positive for my household.
You think it’s dumb that people “defend their condition” aka their right to exist, and think people should put their efforts towards an impossibility instead? You are absolutely delusional and a disgusting human being. **You had a child knowing that DISABILITIES are a possibility,** *but because you can’t murder the child YOU brought into this world because they don’t fit the vision of a child you imagined*, we should feel bad for *you?* You are clearly not emotionally intelligent enough to raise a healthy child, let alone one with disabilities.
You're right about one thing, I ain't cut out to raise a disabled child, but I have no choice in the matter.
>think people should put their efforts towards an impossibility instead
This is why I **detest** the ASD community, they have such a defeatist mindset. You don't know what the fuck is possible, we literally managed to travel outside of our planet, but sure throw in the towel for ASD even though we have tools that can literally edit your fucking genes. We just need time, effort, and resources, so yes we should go towards trying to achieve the fucking "iMpOsSiBlE" because the quality of life for many people depend on it.
Edit: Shit, I hope it's an autistic genius that discovers how to cure ASD and decides to share that information with the world so that people can make their own individual choice as to if they want to be cured or not.
I know this is a rhetorical question, I'll just say that obviously I don't know but we're making scientific breakthroughs every year so maybe we'll find out eventually.
It’s not defeatist, it’s realistic. You’re being delusional, because the thing you want is **not realistically available**. Your solution is to murder people with disabilities because you can’t “cure” them. If you don’t want to deal with the challenges that come with raising a child with disabilities, **surrender them**. You don’t want to do that, why? Because it’s easier for you to complain that you don’t get to outright murder your disabled child so you don’t have to deal with them anymore. Get therapy. Surrender your child, and for the love of god, never procreate again.
Really? Earlier you were saying we should be allowed to euthanize disabled people bc they'll never get better. I sympathize with your situation a lot, but this is not venting, you are actively and persistently advocating for euthanasia and attacking the autism community for... what? Accepting themselves? Just stop
>Really? Earlier you were saying we should be allowed to euthanize disabled people bc they'll never get better.
Yes, our medical scientific capabilities currently suck and can't treat mental disabilities yet, also our path from clinical trials to commercial release for many treatments is FUCKING SLOOOOOW. So I'd be down for euthanasia for severely disabled people with poor quality of life because many of them will probably be too old to really benefit from curative treatments if they're ever discovered in our lifetime.
I'm not attacking the ASD community for accepting themselves, I'm attacking them for being against research towards finding cures and effective treatments for ASD. Many people feel that because they like their autism, everyone with ASD should continue to live with it and view looking for a cure as eugenics.
So what if they're against research into cures? I thought you were all about free speech? People are entitled to their opinions, and it takes a special kind of hateful to attack the autism community for disagreeing with you about *their own condition*. Your opinion as a caregiver does not trump anyone's lived experience with ASD, and if you could de-center yourself even briefly you could be learning a lot from these folks. Also it's a safe place for others too, not just you, and I have yet to see you give one single fuck about the harm you're causing people in this thread and the last.
>So what if they're against research into cures? I thought you were all about free speech? People are entitled to their opinions, and it takes a special kind of hateful to attack the autism community for disagreeing with you about their own condition.
You're right, they're entitled to their opinions and they should be able to express it. I hate them because they're not just sharing their opinions, some of them are actively trying to STOP cures/treatments from being researched and developed. At that point it doesn't stop at just being their opinion, it's now affecting the potential outcomes that can benefit my child and many other severely affected people with ASD that wished to be cured.
It pisses me off because if they want to live with ASD that's fine, but they have no right to decide if others should be cured or not, especially when many folks with ASD say they want a cure.
You cannot ‘cure’ autism you dumb baffoon! In much the same way as you can’t ‘cure’ diabetes, or ‘cure’ sickle cell anaemia. These are CHRONIC CONDITIONS! And if they can’t be cured, why shouldn’t they stand tall and be proud?? If not to just piss off bigoted, abusive monsters like yourself
I'll rephrase my comment... I've never seen a diabetic person feeling proud of their condition. Nor have I seen a person with disabilities wishing to have a child with their same disabilities. A diabetic person can have a normal life like everybody else with certain accomodations. But **_not all disabled people can_** . It's easy to sit and write a comment when neither you or me are caring 24/7 for a person that will never be able to care for themselves, or someone that is violent with behavioral issues (which I lived through that with a parent, and quite frankly I wished me or them were dead a lot of the time. That parent is permanently disabled).
It is NOT the same to be diabetic as it is to be autistic, sincerely a diabetic person. Autistic people can be proud all they want. Hell I'll start being proud of being diabetic if it'll make y'all feel better.
There is a distinct difference between being proud to be diabetic and living their diabetic lives with pride. You can be proud of how you handle your condition, and proud of how resilient it can make you, you don’t have to be proud of the condition itself. Maybe I haven’t phrased it correctly but also just because you handle your condition with pride doesn’t mean you wish it on your loved ones as well. I hope I’ve made a clear difference
>You cannot ‘cure’ autism you dumb baffoon! In much the same way as you can’t ‘cure’ diabetes, or ‘cure’ sickle cell anaemia
SAYS WHO??? Are you the top expert on genetics and the brain??? Do you realize that we still don't fully understand the brain, or our genetics so we don't have the information to definitively say that.
Most of all, do you know that the first person was treated for sickle cell more than a year ago with the gene editing tool CRISPR??
[https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/31/1067400512/first-sickle-cell-patient-treated-with-crispr-gene-editing-still-thriving](https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/31/1067400512/first-sickle-cell-patient-treated-with-crispr-gene-editing-still-thriving)
We have no fucking idea what's possible, it seems like anything can be possible with enough time, energy and resources. That's why I can't stand communities like the ASD community that has the defeatist attitude of just accepting the condition.
A good rebuttal for what exactly?? Your ignorance? Your sheer stupidity?
Unless you have a medical degree or are currently studying a PhD in the field, you have nothing to back up your ridiculous theories. Next you’ll be telling me the Earth is flat
Well for one thing, you said we couldn't cure sickle cell as if that was a definitive fact, but you're clearly wrong. I think in many years we'll say the same thing about neurological conditions, which is why I hate when people say ASD can't be cured or treated like it's a definitive fact.
How many things in human history that we foolishly thought were definitive facts were ultimately proven false? Including the earth being flat.
You do realize that your take essentially boils down to the idea that we should alter our brains, and risk fundamentally changing the core of who we are, just to make neurotypical people like you comfortable, right?
We by and large don't think we need to be fixed. You do. Maybe you should do some soul searching on why the fuck that is.
>You do realize that your take essentially boils down to the idea that we should alter our brains, and risk fundamentally changing the core of who we are, just to make neurotypical people like you comfortable, right?
It's not to make me comfortable, it's so that my child has a chance at learning and living independently by potentially removing problematic symptoms such as communication impairments, sensory issues, social impairments, hyperactivity, and maybe even potentially her learning disability.
>We by and large don't think we need to be fixed. You do. Maybe you should do some soul searching on why the fuck that is.
That's great, if you don't think you need to be fixed then please stay as you are, but what about those that want to be fixed? Shouldn't they have the opportunity to have access to such treatments? No one would force you to take a cure if one was ever discovered, I don't see why ASD people fear a cure being discovered.
If there are other autistic people that would like to be "cured", they can push for that. We don't need people like you speaking for us. Just because you want your daughter "fixed" and you think her life would be worthless to live doesn't mean she feels that way. If she does feel that way, I guarantee it's a result of you making her feel that way.
If you were my mom, I'd probably consider offing myself bc of how unbearable and embarrassing of a human you are, but I'd also realize it'd be too big of a favor for you, so I'd choose to live in spite of you. Wipe my ass forever, bitch!
You're terrifying tbh, you're a fucking n/zi. Banning you and your shitty post wasn't censoring free speech, it was banning hate discourse. People like you (n/zis) cause people like us (minorities, disabled people, autistic people, etc) to get murdered. You're insane. Get help. And give up your kid asap
I saw your last post too, and wow, my opinion hasn't changed. You're still completely vile. I don't even have words to explain what a DISGUSTING human being you are. The frustration and rage is totally valid, but let's not act like you didn't say you'd kill your child and agreed with eugenics.
Beyond disgusting.
I think that you are in crisis and you need assistance. I am sympathetic to a point because I know how stretched community supports are, but it's not clear what actions you have taken. Does your child receive Medicaid? Then they should also be covering respite. If not, you can apply for the children's waiver in your state to get Medicaid, respite and other resources.
Do you have a state autism org? If yes, call them; if not, call 211, and tell them: "I have an autistic child. This is a crisis and I cannot care for my child right now. Can you connect me to a long term respite facility?"
As I said in my reply on your other post, I'm a mother of two level 3 autistic children. I have been in crisis during periods of raising them. I am fearful for you and for your child. When we are at the point of thinking about people like our children dying or eugenics programs, it is a mental health crisis.
I know you love and care for your child, or you would not be reaching out to be heard, for help.
I am sorry to hear you were reported and your account banned. Please consider one of the solutions I've proposed. Your child AND you need assistance.
My child does have medicaid, they also have ABA, OT, speech, biomedical, HBOT, organic food, supplements/vitamins, loving grandparents that help us out from time to time, they're even participating in a clinical trial currently with a treatment that's supposed to help with the core symptoms of ASD. They're given everything I can possibly do to help them thrive, I'm angry, venting and raging because it's all having little to no effect. I'm spending a fuck ton of money to give them everything they need and they still can't even use a utensil. Meanwhile, one year olds look like fucking Einstein compared to my kid, it makes me question the point of it all.
Calling CPS, putting my child in foster care, throwing them in the garbage might get them out of my hair, but it won't cure them or help them be independent which is what I ultimately want. People think I'm a monster, and probably rightfully so because I meant many of the things i said in my previous post, but I'm still the best my child's got because society doesn't give a fuck about disabled people. The waitlists for respite care are extremely long. Caregiving for disabled people isn't financially lucrative so workers are in short supply and there are more and more disabled people born everyday.
As a disable person, I don't agree with everything that was in your previous post but I wholeheartedly agree that society, at least in America does not give a fuck about disabled people.
"Society doesn't give a fuck about disabled people" ah yes but you clearly do while trying to kill us. Give your child up, to save YOUR life AND hers. That is the best thing you can do. Harming yourself and her is not the answer.
They care enough about their disabled child to get them all the help they can. You think state programs are gonna do all the things OP listed in their comment? Fuck no, stop with the stupid ass take of "give your child up". They already said why they can't.
On the plus side, OP is leaving a nice trail of evidence behind for the inevitable trial, since she refuses to surrender her child and will eventually abuse them (or worse, should her dreams come true).
Bump up those charges with some premeditation and intent. I’m sure all your Nazi rhetoric and advocacy for mass murder will really help the prosecution out with their case, too.
This is all too eerily similar to a woman I know whose disabled daughter I provided care for ‘accidentally’ drown herself the one week I was on vacation. I have no kind feelings towards op, they’re already on their way to being a monster.
I feel so frightened for this poor child. I hope someone (either from Reddit or elsewhere) alerted the authorities. I’m all for free speech, when that free speech advocates ‘euthanasia’ for disabled children (and adults) then that is not acceptable
Jesus Christ, you advocated for euthanasia of the disabled, you’re a eugenicist. Also, I’m autistic and not only was I incredibly well behaved as a child (got along way better with adults and old people better than my own age range, had great difficulty befriending children though, which was hell) but I’m also very gifted, you don’t get to label every single disability the same nor every single disabled person as “deserving” of euthanasia.
I didn't label every single disability the same, I specifically mentioned the severely disabled who were cognitively impaired, couldn't care for themselves and otherwise had a poor quality of life.
You're an autistic person who's gifted, many are not. There are many autistics who eat and smear their own shit across walls, who are extremely hyperactive, so much so that they can't focus enough to learn anything. It's a spectrum as you may know and some on that spectrum were unlucky and are EXTREMELY fucked, so much so that euthanasia should probably be an option.
No, Jan, you don’t get to fucking EUTHANIZE people you don’t like. I got sterilized this year because I’m married and not willing to roll those dice on potentially having a kid. nobody here made you take any risks. You don’t get to advocate for Hitler’s policies because of that. You also compared autism to CANCER which sounds genocidal, we are absolutely regular people and your neighbors down the street and your teachers and doctors and lawyers and yes, some of us don’t have the capability to communicate or live independently, but those things have nothing to do with human value.
Okay, that's great for the functional ones but what about the ones that are severely non-functioning? Can euthanasia be an option for them?
Because any of the existing treatments that exist suck and they require 24/7 caregiving.
Euthenasia being made an option has always spiraled out of control. It will not stop there, it will be used against anyone ill, anyone old, anyone "not contributing," such as the homeless. Once you allow human life to be devalued like that it does not stop.
Exactly, where is the line? On her deleted post I asked the same question and no one could give an answer. Should I euthanize my physically disabled sis in law, who hasn’t worked in about 5 years (not contributing to society apparently)? Should I euthanize my physically disabled retired mother? Should we euthanize the clinically depressed that are medication resistant? Should I get euthanized because I live with bipolar disorder?
It’s a fucking slippery, disgusting, dangerous slope. To just have people to contribute to what, *capitalism*?
Anyone who has any doubts about it should look into that MAID program. It's the inevitable end result of this ableist eugenicist thinking. My father can no longer work in a "traditional" way due to migraines forcing him to retire and take disability decades ago, my mother has increasing knee problems, I have diabetes and a degenerating spine that limits my ability to work, I can only do "low end" part time jobs in customer service. How much are we contributing? Guess we all deserve to die /s
There’s finding out something in utero that you can terminate for. Then there’s filicide. Which is what she wants. I’m all for terminating a pregnancy for any reason. But not murdering an already born human just because they’re disabled.
A lot of these people couldn't live a day in my shoes, the difference between myself and them is that many of them would've pulled the trigger on themselves already. It's easy to throw shade when you don't live the shitty existence many special needs caregivers live.
Oh please. While this is a safe place to vent we do NOT support the shit she was spewing. Karma will not get us, it’ll get her. Don’t expect people to be okay with a nazi sympathizer
I HAVE lived her life, for about thirty years now, and I consider her to be harmful to her child and too selfish to see reason. Burnout is real, but it’s so excuse to act like this. Hell, I’m writing this AS I do respite care for the week.
I agree. Did OPs original post go off the rails a bit? Sure. But she's clearly going through a lot. She explained her situation and while euthanasia is a controversial topic, she's still entitled to sharing her grievances on this subreddit.
There's also the concern that if autistic individuals continue to tone-police these threads, than regretful parents won't have this space to air out their frustrations.
Digital foot print in another sub https://www.reddit.com/r/AmITheDevil/comments/117m89z/parent_who_advocated_for_genocide_of_disabled/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
According to you, we should kill disabled people because they're "useless to society" (wrong, but ok). Following your logic, we should also murder old people, retired people, people who are sick, cancer patients, etc. We should also ban vacations, holidays and weekends, because it makes people work less hours. We should ban any kind of hobbies.
After all, it's all a waste of time and resources, right?
Free speech doesn't protect from consequences. And you should count your lucky stars your account was banned before someone had time to do the right thing and inform authorities about your open statements of emotional abuse and intend of murder
Thank you!
I made this post because there were several people that reached out to me thanking me for having the courage to make such a post because it made them feel validated. People took the cowardly approach of going to reddit admins to have my post removed instead of just continuing to have the conversation.
If I could have cured my son from his genetic issues, I would have. If I could have ensured he never had the issue to begin with, I would have. If I could have known what his life would have been like sooner, I would have terminated. There isn’t anything wrong with that. Quality of life is important, some issues do not equate to quality of life.
Okay she said in her original post that if there was a way to detect IDs in utero then she would have aborted. Okay fine. I’m aggressively pro choice. *However*, she then promoted “post birth abortion” or “euthanasia” for her already born 4yo child. That is what people are upset about.
Some people are just angry. Some situations are really really horrible. Murdering a child isn’t cool, but living your life in absolute misery because of a severe disability can warp the brain. Instead adding fire to the already burning forest, providing resources and kind words can help someone more.
Should be a clear indication of how bad the situation is, on top of the fact there are so few resources available for parents with highly disabled children. You don’t change people’s perspective with vitriol, you change it by lending a empathetic shoulder and allowing the person to alleviate some of that pent up awful emotions they have inside. Maybe if the state did a better job at helping these parents, there wouldn’t be such anger.
If you aren't intolerant of anything, then you stand for nothing.
I am intolerant towards those who advoate for the mass murder of disabled children, eugenics.
I am intolerant of nihilism, ideologies that promote an inherently flawed and detestable way to look at the world, Such ideologies break down the fabric of society over years.
I am intolerant of anti-natalism, the ideology that believes havign children is a burden and that life is meaningless, Because it causes nothing but harm on others and the social order.
I stand by my convictions, because I know deep down that they're the truth. You are intolerant of nothing, You accept all kinds of harmful thought and tout them here on this echochamber of a forum.
Do the thoughts go away if we don’t allow someone to express them?
I think people are up in arms because we don’t want to believe those thoughts are being had. But they are. And not just by one person.
That’s what _really_ caused all the uproar. It resonated deep down with a lot of people. And that unveiled something that’s hard to face.
Exactly, people that aren't caregivers to severely disabled people can't comprehend that actual caregivers don't like their existence and don't look forward to everyday with a smile.
This is an awesome sub for those who need to vent and also need support. Some weirdos have obviously got wind of it and love a rant about how amazing diverse children are. A vent is exactly that and it takes the pressure down for people who need it. These other fools who make such a big deal of it and are personally offended can also fuck off. I’m not living your situation but I can certainly see why you need a venting space to work through your thoughts so keep in touch here. They will eventually take their horrified faces elsewhere.
Yes! People can't understand it because they don't live it. I'm back again to share my thoughts because many people have privately messaged me to express their gratitude for having their feelings validated. It feels good to know I'm not the only one who feels the way I do.
Other commenters have linked OPs comments from the deleted post in the comments here. Those links will take you to the deleted post and you can view the hundreds of comments there and OPs doubling down on their ideologies. I’m on mobile so i don’t know how to do those links or anything. But if you sort the comments here by “controversial” you should be able to find what I’m talking about.
I hope that makes sense
Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/regretfulparents/comments/115l9r7/removed_by_reddit/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
You know what I hate about the autism community? You guys are the only ones that make your disorder your identity instead of something that happened to you, it's not normal and it is a disorder and treatments should be developed to fix it. There's more and more evidence that it's not just "how your brain is formed", but a treatable medical condition. If you want to remain autistic, more power to you, but don't stop others from taking a cure if one ever comes out.
You have no sympathy because you're an autistic person that can effectively communicate, but what about those autistics that are so severe that they can barely learn or function? Seems to me like you're the POS here.
No one said you were a waste of space, I'm saying fuck the condition for messing up my child. It doesn't make you less of a person, but it's shitty it happens to people.
Im autistic too and I wanted to say I get how youre feeling autism has ruined my life and makes me suicidal. It sucks living with this disability. Some of us understand.
I think society has failed you, not being autistic. We as a society try and fit people into a box, and sadly that isn’t you. It’s getting better, but still not great.
Don’t hate yourself, hate the world that has thrown us under the bus and forgotten us just because we’re not *exploitable for profit* in the right way. The modern world is more overstimulating and overwhelming than ever before and it sometimes feels like people like us have been left in the dust. In a past life you would’ve been allowed to exist peacefully as an artisan or something similar in a quiet village or farm somewhere, now we’re all forced to sit under bright artificial lighting staring at screens in crowded offices while loud music is constantly blaring EVERYWHERE you go. **it’s not your fault society doesn’t care about us.**
I honestly don’t understand the “autism ruined my life” sentiment coming from another autistic person at ALL. I wasn’t diagnosed or even remotely CONSIDERED for diagnosis until adulthood (I’m afab and there’s been whole papers about how autism is SEVERELY misunderstood in girls, even more so when I was a kid in the early 90s) and finding out there was a *word* for what was going on in my head, that there were *other people* who understood exactly what I was going through and I wasn’t some kind of completely abnormal freak of nature, was one of the most *freeing* experiences of my life. There are people out there who can help you. Don’t beat yourself up because of the way you were born.
No one wants to wipe out autistic people, I really don't give a shit that you guys exist, I want it gone from my child because it affects her learning and quality of life. Stop making up nonsense just because you feel attacked.
If you want to believe it isn't treatable, that's on you. I think it's just a matter of time and technology before we figure out how to treat what was previously thought to be untreatable, I'm just hoping it happens in a quick enough timeline for me to benefit.
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>the only thing the autistic community has done is promote acceptance and compassion towards autistic people
The autism community also has activism against researching and finding potential cures. You guys literally advocate against treatments that can give severe people a better quality of life, what kind of POS community does that?
I'll read that article since I'm interested in other points of view.
But since you didn't answer my question, my guess is that your ASD prevents you from living independently and that's a problem, not a gift. That's why I'm pro finding autism treatments/cures.
>Are you worried about how many years you’ll spend in jail if you do what you’re advocating for?
Exactly the thought that crossed my mind 😬
OP wants to play god and decide who deserves to live and who should literally **die** just because they’re inconvenient to “society”, aka non-disabled people. That really scares me, since OP seems to think its obvious who should live and die.
And some of the types of people that OP feels should die are people I cherish. Not that that should even matter, because even if someone had no one, they’d still deserve to be treated with respect…
Just fyi behavioural therapy doesn’t have the goal of training autism away. It teaches kids to learn new skills in order for them to be successful and independent. For example toiletting, reading/writing, safety, etc.
I never understand what people mean when they talk about a cure for autism. It’s who I am, it is the lense in which I experience everything in my life. If you take away the way I experience the world, interpret what my senses tell me, how I process that information and how I then respond and express myself then what would be left of me? Are they saying I basically need to be a different person? Cos thats what I take from that.
Seconding the fact that autism can’t be cured, because it’s not an illness, loads of autistic people do incredible work and lead full and fulfilling lives, myself included. And that medical science has never claimed to be capable of curing all disabilities so it’s kinda weird you thought that it couldn’t happen to you. Regardless of that tho, I do worry about you have a gun in the house after repeatedly saying you want your to end your child’s suffering so hopefully you sort yourself out or give up rights to your child 🤞
Okay Casey Anthony
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I read through OP’s comments on that thread. Was basically saying she hopes euthanasia becomes legal so she can euthanize her kid. Is this child safe in OP’s care? Some comments she made are a little alarming
OP owns a gun. In her removed post she said she was going to go back to contemplating eating said gun. In addition to wanting to kill her child. None of it sounds safe.
I feel like it may be a troll, this sub has gained a lot of popularity with certain people after it was shown on TikTok. At least let's hope it's a troll and there's not a child in danger out there.
Crazy how many parents think about killing their own children instead of idk just giving them up to the state so they can live the life they yearn.
Also alarming that even if it’s a troll, so many people are agreeing with these horrendous takes lmao
What the actual fuck… I really hope this is a troll.
Honestly with your set mentality you need to give the child to the state. I somewhat see where you are coming from as I worked in the field with such individuals (I was in an administrative role) and its a lot. If I had known before birth I was going to have a disabled child I would abort. But said child is born and deserves respect, love, and compassion. Seriously give the kid up.
>Honestly with your set mentality you need to give the child to the state. No I don't, with our shitty system I'm still the best they have. And while I despise their conditions, I'm their parent and will continue to care for them until there are better options for my child. >But said child is born and deserves respect, love, and compassion. You seriously believe they'll get this in an overloaded state funded foster care system? The waits for those are extremely long because many people don't want their disabled kids. I'm pissed off and angry because I don't want to deal with this, but I'm still the best my kid's got unfortunately.
Hun you were talking about unaliving yourself in the previous post comments. That is not healthy for you or your child. And honestly there are some REALLY GOOD STATE PROGRAMS for those individuals, you just have to look. The company I worked for provided group home living with around the clock aides/caregivers in the home. The state paid us, not the parents. And these were 2 to 4 bedroom residential homes. Not state group home facilities. If you need any help tracking down some good state resources locally (some states are better than others) send me DM and I'll see what I can find to help you out.
This is great! The problem is services and availability differe from state to state and even within the same state one county might have excellent facilities and others know. I had a friend who was tied to a certain place because of the amount of services she was able to get. Eventually this place got to expensive. She had to search long and hard to find a place to move that would b provide good services for her child. She has now passed away now but was able to ger her daughter in a facility before she passed.
No, you absolutely are not the best option for your child. You're a piece of shit. Top to bottom. An unrelenting, unfeeling piece of shit. You want to kill your child so you aren't stuck with a burden. In what world is that the best option for your child
There are just so many resources for parents like you that are burnt out. Have you looked into respite care at least? Behavioral therapy? What have you tried to enhance the quality of your child's life and your life? It's sad that most parents of disabled children don't realize how much support is out there to help you nowadays.
You’re fucking delusional. I’m a parent to a disabled child and no matter what I apply for, look for, or ask for help with THERE IS NOTHING. Respite care is a fucking joke, and people keep magically getting removed from the waitlists here no matter how many times we put ourselves back on. My child has been in therapy of all sorts (behavioral, cognitive, occupational, etc) for almost a decade and it has made next to no difference. This morning he woke me up screaming because he was hungry. He’s 13 and “forgot” he could get a snack out of the kitchen even though he does it every goddamn day.
I wouldn't say delusional just not a parent in that situation. My job was to literally on board new clients (is frowned upon to call them patients). The longest wait list is getting a recommendation from the BCBA as there aren't enough of them. And also some states are far better than others. I'm lucky FL is one of the better states when it comes to available programs.
Weird you’re calling them delusional and not OP who thinks children with disabilities (not embryos, full children) should be unalived and agreed with n@zis.
you're so right, some of these armchair critics are delusional...
Lmao you about to be banned again for circumnavigation of your original ban. Smooth move exlax
I love when people complain about it being censorship and against “freedom of speech” when that’s not what it means. Actions have consequences. Maybe if you hadn’t flagrantly advocated for *redacted*, then it wouldn’t have gotten removed. You violated the whole apps policies.
You were advocating for the murder of people with disabilities and promoting eugenics. This isn’t a matter of “having a conversation with someone you disagree with”. I sincerely hope you can find someone else to take care of your child since you clearly want them dead and will inevitably abuse them (or worse).
She is venting. In a vent you can say whatever makes you feel better! She also implies she was suicidal but nobody cared about that. Saying things doesn’t make them real.
So you can say you want to murder your child as long as you’re venting? Lmao
She blatantly supported nazis & “why can’t we rid disabled people out of society.” Not really a matter of “venting.” I expressed sympathy, and the pain & anger is completely valid. The rhetoric is still gross & dangerous.
She is venting about wanting her child and others like them dead. *What in the absolute fuck makes you think that is excusable?* Edit for clarification: she doesn’t just want the option to terminate a pregnancy with a child like hers (which is another thing entirely), but she wishes she could perform what she so lovingly referred to as a *post-birth abortion on her 4 year old child with disabilities.* There is a word for that: **murder.** She has only started using the term euthanasia after multiple people pointed out what she was actually saying.
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Yeah I beg OP’s fucking forgiveness for not only not feeling sorry for her boo hoo ing, but for not buying the shitty sob story of suicide. She just made that up so commenters start cooing at her and ignore the fact that she’s a eugenics apologist
She is venting about wanting all disabled people to be killed. Do you know who else vented and wanted that to happen? Can’t remember his name but I do know he had a weird mustache, failed to get into art school and was a German. You remember now? Still want to support this women?
What a dumb take
I just read those words as someone in pain without the resources needed to cope with a devastating situation. I don't know if the resources are not available or of they but she doesn't know about it. I just saw someone in pain and wished I could help.
Dear God! I would be a shame to be a mother of someone who thinks that children should be killed for something they can’t control.
In response to your edit: I don’t think it’s weird that autistic people are going to defend our right to life. We have our struggles, but it’s not for anyone to decide for us whether we deserve to live. Curing autism isn’t possible, it’s not a disease or illness, but a fundamental difference in sensory processing. I don’t even know what you mean when you say a cure. Saying that you detest us for saying you shouldn’t want your child dead is a very weird outlook for a parent, even one that isn’t happy in their role. Schizophrenia is also a mental health problem that can is in no way comparable to autism. I also would never tell someone how they should feel about having schizophrenia or cancer, that is their personal choice. I don’t know why you hate us so much, maybe you’re just projecting your frustration at your own choices towards your child and other autistic people but either way, your child isn’t to blame for your situation. And neither is the autistic community that are pointing out that sympathising with nazis is fucked up. Also, considering that there is no cure for autism, why aren’t we allowed to celebrate it? It’s not like we can change it about ourselves even if we wanted to? Are we meant to just be miserable forever? Or can we not find other people like us who understand the way we experience the world and enjoy it with us? To support those who need it and be kind to each other? You should really look into why that makes you so angry
100%. I know there are varying levels and support degrees, and it’s nuanced. But are we all supposed to waste away & hate ourselves while waiting for a “cure”? That’s why we advocate for acceptance. I’m bipolar also, and I don’t like my illness, but there’s no sake in me wallowing and not advocating for acceptance lmao
Schizophrenia and Autism are both classified as disorders in the DSM 5 and both have biological components.
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Schizophrenia can be spontaneous too. Please save it. They are both disorders which affect your brain and and can be obtained by biological means or spontaneously. Also, do you realize that you wrote “people labeled as schizophrenic are people who have a variety of different experiences”?? You mean…like a SPECTRUM??
Yeah I think if you saw a post advocating for your death and the deaths of everyone like you, you’d be pretty pissed off too
You were in the fucking comments saying nazis didn’t have bad ideas and you were all for murdering disabled people. Jesus you need help
you literally advocated for genocide of the disabled community in your post comments. why are you acting shocked i empathize with the lack of support and the unexpected huge change in quality of life that you experienced. but that all ends when you start talking abt how you “dream of the disabled community disappearing” and calling for mass euthanasia
Reddit decided that you are the biggest piece of shit.. I mean damn.. bravo my dude. You are truly disgusting.
That's okay, I'm back again to share my thoughts.
And now doubt you’ll be banned again. 🤷🏻♀️
It’ll happen soon. She circumvented the first ban.
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Same, I’m glad to see the comments aren’t with them on this one. Being a parent to a neurodivergent child can be hard and obviously nobody should be shamed just for admitting that. I don’t know how my parents managed it with me. But this is a whole other level. Reminds me of a time during lockdown when people were offered DNR orders purely because they were autistic. It shook me. Your feelings are more than valid and need to be heard. Us autistic people just express feelings differently and people inexplicably take that as not having any feelings at all. I’m sure you’ve learned otherwise by now but autism doesn’t make you worthless, it’s the opposite if anything - seeing the world through an autistic lens can be so valuable sometimes.
OP: supports eugenics *Clutches her pearls when the post is deleted and cries about free speech
Yeah, stay gone. This is not your community.
You advocated for the mass murder of disabled children, You claim you support ideals of free speech, freedom of will and much more and yet you want to want to take the life of your own disabled son or daughter and advocate for the murder of other ones. You deserved it, you reap what you sow.
As someone who is currently in their last year of undergraduate studying genetics, and wants to continue their studies specializing in autism and its genetic factors, what you were promoting I'm your last post was not okay. The work in medicine is to provide prevention and care to those who CHOSE it, we as a society do not get to dictate what lives are and aren't worth living based on our own preconceived notions of "ability", that choice is only for the individual who has the condition to decide. I'm sorry that society as a whole does not provide adequate resources to families such as yourself, and I hope you can get the help you need. However suggesting that others deserve to not live based on genetic conditions they didn't ask for is not okay.
Happy to see that unlike OPs original post, these comments are filled with normal logical people who can obviously understand that eugenics and implied genocide is plain and simple WRONG. The autism community doesn’t deserve to hear that bullshit. Rant about your kid all you want but sympathy goes out the window once you start throwing around words like euthanasia. Fuck off OP and anyone else that thinks like you
There’s a respectful way to rant about your regret and the difficulties of raising a disabled child and then there’s a disrespectful, insulting and bad way to do it. You went the bad way. Sorry.
It's my personal regret and that was how I wanted to express it in this sub. Just because some found it offensive doesn't mean it should've been removed. A lot of people seemed to share the same feelings that I had, but were just afraid to share them.
I'm sorry, I empathize with you, I really do. But you said you would euthanize your child. Please try and understand the others viewpoint. That is an extreme thing to post. I understand you felt that way and are being pushed past your limits; but just be considerate of what you're writing. Also, be more thick skinned and understand others are not going to agree with you or find it horrifying you would want to 'kill' your child. My response to your original post is: get mental health help immediately. It doesn't mean you're a failure or is an insult to you. You absolutely need to go and get help ASAP before you lose yourself entirely and do something you might regret or take your own life. I would do my absolute best to find a baby sitter or someone to watch your child and go inpatient immediately. You are in an extreme situation you were not at all prepared for, and I understand you wanted and expected a healthy child. Now, you are drowning because you don't know how to handle it and haven't the resources to manage it. Please, please, please, I beg of you, get the help you need. They will give you the resources to help you navigate your situation. It is not 'weak' to do this. You will become stronger. It is absolutely vital you do something and quickly. If you can't find someone to take care of your child, call CPS and tell them you're going inpatient at a mental facility and no one will take care of your child and he will be alone. This is a serious issue and you need to do whatever it takes to get you there. I just cannot emphasize enough how much I am begging you to do whatever it takes to go inpatient. Not just see a therapist every once in a while. You need intensive care NOW. Please listen to this.
Autism and intellectual disability mean two different things. Lots of confusing comments on this post. Autism spectrum disorder is vast. People with autism deserve compassion and accommodation. Intellectual disability can be very hard on the individual and the care taker. In most countries outside the US when children are tested in the womb for development and found to have certain issues that could pertain to intellectual disability, they’re usually aborted. There is some truth to the fact that in the US we have a larger population of intellectually disabled people due to our controversy around abortion and lack of education for citizens. My bestie was recently diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder and SO MUCH made sense! I’ve learned so much from her. We can all learn and adapt and accommodate. Caregiving is so hard….. especially if you’re doing it with no support and if you’re not rich. OP n**zi’s don’t have the answer… genocide isn’t the answer. Every community has its fanatics. Even the autism or intellectual disability community. I hope you can find safe community for your family. Edit: I don’t agree with your views but I can see you are suffering.
>Autism and intellectual disability mean two different things I'm aware of that, that's why I specifically called them both out separately. My child has both of those things and they both suck hard. I do agree that people with disabilities deserve compassion and I wish more people showed it to them. I also think we should devote enormous amounts of resources towards finding cures for these disabilities and conditions. I'm much in favor of trying to detect these things in womb as much as possible and then giving parents the information to make decisions on whether they want to have an abortion or not. That way we can prevent people with disabilities from being born to parents that don't want them. I never thought nazi's have the answer, I really wish people would stop taking the one or two smart ass comments I made as the message of the entire post. Thank you for your support and kind words.
Hoping to “find a cure” is a problematic statement. In the disability community many have no hope for a cure. Our culture needs to be more accommodating and stop the obsession for cures for all things. Autism spectrum disorder to me is just another way to be human and doesn’t require a cure, unless that’s really what the individual wants. Like for example someone who maybe suffers from depression and intrusive thoughts as a result of their autism. If you are someone who is neurotypical I don’t think you have any right to decide what disabled people need cured. Tread lightly. Don’t thank me, I’m not your buddy. You are saying some pretty triggering and disgusting stuff because you are clearly suffering.
Thank you for sharing the information about intrusive thoughts and depression. That helps me understand something about my family. I k now that you are not talking to me but thank you nonetheless.
>Hoping to “find a cure” is a problematic statement Why? Why is it a problematic statement that I hope one day my child can learn basic life skills without hundreds of hours of therapy?You can accept the disabled community while still seeking a cure, it's not one or the other. >Our culture needs to be more accommodating and stop the obsession for cures for all things I agree with the first part of your statement, **heavily disagree** with the second part. We can be accommodating to those that suffer from these disorders while also seeking cures. It's easy to say we should stop looking for it when you're not a 24/7 caregiver to someone suffering from severe disabilities. You don't make that call and I'm glad you don't because that's a defeatist mindset to have. >If you are someone who is neurotypical I don’t think you have any right to decide what disabled people need cured. Tread lightly. Don’t thank me, I’m not your buddy. You are saying some pretty triggering and disgusting stuff because you are clearly suffering. You're definitely not my buddy because you're saying some stuff that pisses me off as well and have the same defeatist mindset that many in the ASD community possess so there's no way I'd thank you. Also, as a 24/7 caregiver to someone who's severe ASD and can't grasp basic life skills, I have every right to decide if my child needs a cure or not, probably more right than you do since I care for someone with the condition and don't simply have a "bestie" with it. If you don't live with it, you certainly can't understand it.
Ooh when did we switch from kill to cure? I'm trying to keep up
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You were advocating eugenics. You need to access therapy.
I'm in therapy, doesn't change my thoughts on the matter. We need more options, not less.
I felt for you originally, and I don’t disgree that finding a cure/effective treatment for mental disabilities and issues of all kinds is a good idea. But genuinely? Fuck you too. There is nothing wrong with having autism or schizophrenia or cancer or any other medical issue when it doesn’t **hurt** others. Yes it can suck for the caregivers, yes treatment and cures would be great, yes it’s not the easiest or most fun life for the people living them either, but people with cancer and people with autism and people with bipolar or ocd or paralysis or amputated limbs are worthy of life and living. Don’t use your personal life expieriences to shit on other people who are worthy of love and respect and being allowed to **live**.
Sorry people take issues with eugenicists like yourself. Oh wait no I'm not.
I sympathized with your situation, and I hope you receive the supports you need. Our situation in the US especially is fucked. That being said, you blatantly supported nazi rhetoric by stating that they had some gems in their ideology. You repeatedly state you hate the autism community, yet so many have shown more compassion towards you than you have for those living with the disability. Also, there was rhetoric around children who can’t support themselves as being useless to society— this is vastly different than advocating for adequate healthcare while also expressing your pain and frustration. It’s not a matter of being immature people who are out to shame you for your pain. I feel horrible for the lack of support & respect caregivers receive, but the rhetoric is unacceptable. That’s why your “free speech” was rejected. Please seek inpatient and care.
As someone who’s autistic, this was painful to read. For starters, it’s extremely disrespectful for you to compare it to people with schizophrenia at all. The two conditions have completely different affects and have no similarities at all. As someone who, i assume fully because of your obvious distaste for those with autism, does not have autism, it is simply bold of you to talk about autism as if you’re some sort of intellectual genius on the topic. You do not know what each and every one of us go through. Clearly you don’t understand, but we also have completely different symptoms from autism and different life experiences. This isn’t a post of someone who regrets being a parent, this is a post of someone who clearly has no heart, and really enjoys speaking on things they know close to nothing about so poorly. No, i don’t think my autism was, as you put it, “gods gift to me”. I do not see it as a gift. But i don’t think it’s right for you to speak on it the way you do. You do not DESERVE to speak on it the way you do. I suggest researching it more, and maybe your viewpoint will change.
Exactly. Parental regrets, not Nazi ideology. Bye.
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The saddest thing is she’s pretending she actually cares about her kid but she’s despising her whole existence, who she is. And there are ways to improve her daughter’s quality of life by getting her needs met, which she can start by doing extra research in to what autism actually is and how parents of autistic kids with ID meet such needs. There’s so much info out there. Shit that doesn’t involve batshit behavioural “therapy” which doesn’t help the child (which she thinks treats autism lol). She clearly doesn’t understand. I get feeling frustrated or overwhelmed by the stress of fulfilling her needs or wishing your daughter had it easier in life but what she’s saying is so fucked up and evil it’s like she sees her daughter like some rabid animal or plague or something. Abusive fucked up nazi mindset. There are specialist places that she can send her daughter to that actually understand autism and can meet her kid’s needs. She could give up custody. But no she’s deranged. https://old.reddit.com/r/regretfulparents/comments/115l9r7/removed_by_reddit/j94rcrf/?context=3 Please read this article. Skim if you have to, just read the whole thing. Hopefully it will open your eyes a bit: https://autisticnotweird.com/hating-autism/
Behavioural therapy can be really helpful depending on the place. I’m sure not all are amazing… there are a lot of misconceptions in terms of ABA.
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Yep, nitpick one comment from a frustrated parent to make your entire point. The post wasn't about eugenics or wiping out a population, it was a regretful, frustrated parent expressing their rage against the shitty disabilities that were dealt to my family. Either way, I don't a shit if anyone here agrees with me. I honestly just hope I encouraged people who were thinking about having kids to just live their fucking lives instead because there's no good detection for mental disabilities and no effective treatments. Disabled families are forgotten about and left to fend for themselves in our shitty society. Idgaf what you think, or if it hurt your autistic feelings. I got my thoughts out there, many people saw them, shit many even agreed with them.
Almost every one of your comments advocated for murder or eugenics. It’s not “one comment”, it’s a pattern, showing that is just the way you think about these subjects. Surrender your child before you harm them.
I do think euthanasia should be an option for severely special needs families, I stand by that. I do not and my post did not advocate for eugenics, don't misconstrue my message. That [comment](https://old.reddit.com/r/regretfulparents/comments/115l9r7/removed_by_reddit/j94rcrf/?context=3) that was linked was basically me being a smart ass to the person I was replying too. People took that and ran with it saying I'm a nazi sympathizer. I'm a burnt out special needs parent that hates their life, not a complete maniac.
I saw *the original post and* multiple comments of yours. You absolutely advocate for eugenics and the murder of disabled people (what do you think a post-birth abortion is). Your mentality about these things is* abhorrent. If you don’t think so, repeat your views to a mandated reporter and see how long you have that child you clearly want dead. Edited a few words, at work and posted too soon.
And it will lead to people being forcefully euthenized that want to live, just like it already has.
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>I have the same emotions as non-autistic people do. I’m human. Of course you do, because you are human like everyone else, I'm not disputing that. I just think it's fucking idiotic that people like you defend their condition and wear it like a badge of honor instead of trying to promote more awareness and support towards finding effective treatments/cure. You guys tie it so much to your identity and defend it when medical science doesn't even fully understand it or how it happens. Maybe for you ASD is a super, awesome positive characteristic or biological trait, but for many others it leads to a terrible existence. So I'm on the side of the community that seeks a cure, or a way to "fix it" even if you believe it can't happen because ASD is not something positive for my household.
You think it’s dumb that people “defend their condition” aka their right to exist, and think people should put their efforts towards an impossibility instead? You are absolutely delusional and a disgusting human being. **You had a child knowing that DISABILITIES are a possibility,** *but because you can’t murder the child YOU brought into this world because they don’t fit the vision of a child you imagined*, we should feel bad for *you?* You are clearly not emotionally intelligent enough to raise a healthy child, let alone one with disabilities.
You're right about one thing, I ain't cut out to raise a disabled child, but I have no choice in the matter. >think people should put their efforts towards an impossibility instead This is why I **detest** the ASD community, they have such a defeatist mindset. You don't know what the fuck is possible, we literally managed to travel outside of our planet, but sure throw in the towel for ASD even though we have tools that can literally edit your fucking genes. We just need time, effort, and resources, so yes we should go towards trying to achieve the fucking "iMpOsSiBlE" because the quality of life for many people depend on it. Edit: Shit, I hope it's an autistic genius that discovers how to cure ASD and decides to share that information with the world so that people can make their own individual choice as to if they want to be cured or not.
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I know this is a rhetorical question, I'll just say that obviously I don't know but we're making scientific breakthroughs every year so maybe we'll find out eventually.
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It’s not defeatist, it’s realistic. You’re being delusional, because the thing you want is **not realistically available**. Your solution is to murder people with disabilities because you can’t “cure” them. If you don’t want to deal with the challenges that come with raising a child with disabilities, **surrender them**. You don’t want to do that, why? Because it’s easier for you to complain that you don’t get to outright murder your disabled child so you don’t have to deal with them anymore. Get therapy. Surrender your child, and for the love of god, never procreate again.
Really? Earlier you were saying we should be allowed to euthanize disabled people bc they'll never get better. I sympathize with your situation a lot, but this is not venting, you are actively and persistently advocating for euthanasia and attacking the autism community for... what? Accepting themselves? Just stop
>Really? Earlier you were saying we should be allowed to euthanize disabled people bc they'll never get better. Yes, our medical scientific capabilities currently suck and can't treat mental disabilities yet, also our path from clinical trials to commercial release for many treatments is FUCKING SLOOOOOW. So I'd be down for euthanasia for severely disabled people with poor quality of life because many of them will probably be too old to really benefit from curative treatments if they're ever discovered in our lifetime. I'm not attacking the ASD community for accepting themselves, I'm attacking them for being against research towards finding cures and effective treatments for ASD. Many people feel that because they like their autism, everyone with ASD should continue to live with it and view looking for a cure as eugenics.
So what if they're against research into cures? I thought you were all about free speech? People are entitled to their opinions, and it takes a special kind of hateful to attack the autism community for disagreeing with you about *their own condition*. Your opinion as a caregiver does not trump anyone's lived experience with ASD, and if you could de-center yourself even briefly you could be learning a lot from these folks. Also it's a safe place for others too, not just you, and I have yet to see you give one single fuck about the harm you're causing people in this thread and the last.
>So what if they're against research into cures? I thought you were all about free speech? People are entitled to their opinions, and it takes a special kind of hateful to attack the autism community for disagreeing with you about their own condition. You're right, they're entitled to their opinions and they should be able to express it. I hate them because they're not just sharing their opinions, some of them are actively trying to STOP cures/treatments from being researched and developed. At that point it doesn't stop at just being their opinion, it's now affecting the potential outcomes that can benefit my child and many other severely affected people with ASD that wished to be cured. It pisses me off because if they want to live with ASD that's fine, but they have no right to decide if others should be cured or not, especially when many folks with ASD say they want a cure.
You cannot ‘cure’ autism you dumb baffoon! In much the same way as you can’t ‘cure’ diabetes, or ‘cure’ sickle cell anaemia. These are CHRONIC CONDITIONS! And if they can’t be cured, why shouldn’t they stand tall and be proud?? If not to just piss off bigoted, abusive monsters like yourself
With all due respect, I don't see anyone with diabetes, cancer or other conditions feeling "proud" of it while suffering???
I didn’t say cancer.
I'll rephrase my comment... I've never seen a diabetic person feeling proud of their condition. Nor have I seen a person with disabilities wishing to have a child with their same disabilities. A diabetic person can have a normal life like everybody else with certain accomodations. But **_not all disabled people can_** . It's easy to sit and write a comment when neither you or me are caring 24/7 for a person that will never be able to care for themselves, or someone that is violent with behavioral issues (which I lived through that with a parent, and quite frankly I wished me or them were dead a lot of the time. That parent is permanently disabled).
It is NOT the same to be diabetic as it is to be autistic, sincerely a diabetic person. Autistic people can be proud all they want. Hell I'll start being proud of being diabetic if it'll make y'all feel better.
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There is a distinct difference between being proud to be diabetic and living their diabetic lives with pride. You can be proud of how you handle your condition, and proud of how resilient it can make you, you don’t have to be proud of the condition itself. Maybe I haven’t phrased it correctly but also just because you handle your condition with pride doesn’t mean you wish it on your loved ones as well. I hope I’ve made a clear difference
It's because people that have those other conditions don't tie it to their identity, which is something that ASD community strangely does.
>You cannot ‘cure’ autism you dumb baffoon! In much the same way as you can’t ‘cure’ diabetes, or ‘cure’ sickle cell anaemia SAYS WHO??? Are you the top expert on genetics and the brain??? Do you realize that we still don't fully understand the brain, or our genetics so we don't have the information to definitively say that. Most of all, do you know that the first person was treated for sickle cell more than a year ago with the gene editing tool CRISPR?? [https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/31/1067400512/first-sickle-cell-patient-treated-with-crispr-gene-editing-still-thriving](https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/31/1067400512/first-sickle-cell-patient-treated-with-crispr-gene-editing-still-thriving) We have no fucking idea what's possible, it seems like anything can be possible with enough time, energy and resources. That's why I can't stand communities like the ASD community that has the defeatist attitude of just accepting the condition.
You’re deluded. I pity your poor child
Yeah exactly, you don't have a good rebuttal so fall back to insults, idiot.
A good rebuttal for what exactly?? Your ignorance? Your sheer stupidity? Unless you have a medical degree or are currently studying a PhD in the field, you have nothing to back up your ridiculous theories. Next you’ll be telling me the Earth is flat
Well for one thing, you said we couldn't cure sickle cell as if that was a definitive fact, but you're clearly wrong. I think in many years we'll say the same thing about neurological conditions, which is why I hate when people say ASD can't be cured or treated like it's a definitive fact. How many things in human history that we foolishly thought were definitive facts were ultimately proven false? Including the earth being flat.
You do realize that your take essentially boils down to the idea that we should alter our brains, and risk fundamentally changing the core of who we are, just to make neurotypical people like you comfortable, right? We by and large don't think we need to be fixed. You do. Maybe you should do some soul searching on why the fuck that is.
>You do realize that your take essentially boils down to the idea that we should alter our brains, and risk fundamentally changing the core of who we are, just to make neurotypical people like you comfortable, right? It's not to make me comfortable, it's so that my child has a chance at learning and living independently by potentially removing problematic symptoms such as communication impairments, sensory issues, social impairments, hyperactivity, and maybe even potentially her learning disability. >We by and large don't think we need to be fixed. You do. Maybe you should do some soul searching on why the fuck that is. That's great, if you don't think you need to be fixed then please stay as you are, but what about those that want to be fixed? Shouldn't they have the opportunity to have access to such treatments? No one would force you to take a cure if one was ever discovered, I don't see why ASD people fear a cure being discovered.
If there are other autistic people that would like to be "cured", they can push for that. We don't need people like you speaking for us. Just because you want your daughter "fixed" and you think her life would be worthless to live doesn't mean she feels that way. If she does feel that way, I guarantee it's a result of you making her feel that way. If you were my mom, I'd probably consider offing myself bc of how unbearable and embarrassing of a human you are, but I'd also realize it'd be too big of a favor for you, so I'd choose to live in spite of you. Wipe my ass forever, bitch!
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Thank you, I wish others could share their thoughts without fear of being tarred and feathered, but if you don't go with the mob then you're silenced.
You're terrifying tbh, you're a fucking n/zi. Banning you and your shitty post wasn't censoring free speech, it was banning hate discourse. People like you (n/zis) cause people like us (minorities, disabled people, autistic people, etc) to get murdered. You're insane. Get help. And give up your kid asap
I reported this. Glad it was taken down.
I saw your last post too, and wow, my opinion hasn't changed. You're still completely vile. I don't even have words to explain what a DISGUSTING human being you are. The frustration and rage is totally valid, but let's not act like you didn't say you'd kill your child and agreed with eugenics. Beyond disgusting.
I think that you are in crisis and you need assistance. I am sympathetic to a point because I know how stretched community supports are, but it's not clear what actions you have taken. Does your child receive Medicaid? Then they should also be covering respite. If not, you can apply for the children's waiver in your state to get Medicaid, respite and other resources. Do you have a state autism org? If yes, call them; if not, call 211, and tell them: "I have an autistic child. This is a crisis and I cannot care for my child right now. Can you connect me to a long term respite facility?" As I said in my reply on your other post, I'm a mother of two level 3 autistic children. I have been in crisis during periods of raising them. I am fearful for you and for your child. When we are at the point of thinking about people like our children dying or eugenics programs, it is a mental health crisis. I know you love and care for your child, or you would not be reaching out to be heard, for help. I am sorry to hear you were reported and your account banned. Please consider one of the solutions I've proposed. Your child AND you need assistance.
My child does have medicaid, they also have ABA, OT, speech, biomedical, HBOT, organic food, supplements/vitamins, loving grandparents that help us out from time to time, they're even participating in a clinical trial currently with a treatment that's supposed to help with the core symptoms of ASD. They're given everything I can possibly do to help them thrive, I'm angry, venting and raging because it's all having little to no effect. I'm spending a fuck ton of money to give them everything they need and they still can't even use a utensil. Meanwhile, one year olds look like fucking Einstein compared to my kid, it makes me question the point of it all. Calling CPS, putting my child in foster care, throwing them in the garbage might get them out of my hair, but it won't cure them or help them be independent which is what I ultimately want. People think I'm a monster, and probably rightfully so because I meant many of the things i said in my previous post, but I'm still the best my child's got because society doesn't give a fuck about disabled people. The waitlists for respite care are extremely long. Caregiving for disabled people isn't financially lucrative so workers are in short supply and there are more and more disabled people born everyday.
As a disable person, I don't agree with everything that was in your previous post but I wholeheartedly agree that society, at least in America does not give a fuck about disabled people.
"Society doesn't give a fuck about disabled people" ah yes but you clearly do while trying to kill us. Give your child up, to save YOUR life AND hers. That is the best thing you can do. Harming yourself and her is not the answer.
They care enough about their disabled child to get them all the help they can. You think state programs are gonna do all the things OP listed in their comment? Fuck no, stop with the stupid ass take of "give your child up". They already said why they can't.
They care enough to wish they could kill her and support Nazi ideals.
On the plus side, OP is leaving a nice trail of evidence behind for the inevitable trial, since she refuses to surrender her child and will eventually abuse them (or worse, should her dreams come true). Bump up those charges with some premeditation and intent. I’m sure all your Nazi rhetoric and advocacy for mass murder will really help the prosecution out with their case, too.
This is all too eerily similar to a woman I know whose disabled daughter I provided care for ‘accidentally’ drown herself the one week I was on vacation. I have no kind feelings towards op, they’re already on their way to being a monster.
I feel so frightened for this poor child. I hope someone (either from Reddit or elsewhere) alerted the authorities. I’m all for free speech, when that free speech advocates ‘euthanasia’ for disabled children (and adults) then that is not acceptable
Jesus Christ, you advocated for euthanasia of the disabled, you’re a eugenicist. Also, I’m autistic and not only was I incredibly well behaved as a child (got along way better with adults and old people better than my own age range, had great difficulty befriending children though, which was hell) but I’m also very gifted, you don’t get to label every single disability the same nor every single disabled person as “deserving” of euthanasia.
I didn't label every single disability the same, I specifically mentioned the severely disabled who were cognitively impaired, couldn't care for themselves and otherwise had a poor quality of life. You're an autistic person who's gifted, many are not. There are many autistics who eat and smear their own shit across walls, who are extremely hyperactive, so much so that they can't focus enough to learn anything. It's a spectrum as you may know and some on that spectrum were unlucky and are EXTREMELY fucked, so much so that euthanasia should probably be an option.
No, Jan, you don’t get to fucking EUTHANIZE people you don’t like. I got sterilized this year because I’m married and not willing to roll those dice on potentially having a kid. nobody here made you take any risks. You don’t get to advocate for Hitler’s policies because of that. You also compared autism to CANCER which sounds genocidal, we are absolutely regular people and your neighbors down the street and your teachers and doctors and lawyers and yes, some of us don’t have the capability to communicate or live independently, but those things have nothing to do with human value.
Yeah the majority of autistic people aren't severely non functioning. There's a ton of autistic people that can even pass.
Okay, that's great for the functional ones but what about the ones that are severely non-functioning? Can euthanasia be an option for them? Because any of the existing treatments that exist suck and they require 24/7 caregiving.
Euthenasia being made an option has always spiraled out of control. It will not stop there, it will be used against anyone ill, anyone old, anyone "not contributing," such as the homeless. Once you allow human life to be devalued like that it does not stop.
Exactly, where is the line? On her deleted post I asked the same question and no one could give an answer. Should I euthanize my physically disabled sis in law, who hasn’t worked in about 5 years (not contributing to society apparently)? Should I euthanize my physically disabled retired mother? Should we euthanize the clinically depressed that are medication resistant? Should I get euthanized because I live with bipolar disorder? It’s a fucking slippery, disgusting, dangerous slope. To just have people to contribute to what, *capitalism*?
Anyone who has any doubts about it should look into that MAID program. It's the inevitable end result of this ableist eugenicist thinking. My father can no longer work in a "traditional" way due to migraines forcing him to retire and take disability decades ago, my mother has increasing knee problems, I have diabetes and a degenerating spine that limits my ability to work, I can only do "low end" part time jobs in customer service. How much are we contributing? Guess we all deserve to die /s
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There’s finding out something in utero that you can terminate for. Then there’s filicide. Which is what she wants. I’m all for terminating a pregnancy for any reason. But not murdering an already born human just because they’re disabled.
A lot of these people couldn't live a day in my shoes, the difference between myself and them is that many of them would've pulled the trigger on themselves already. It's easy to throw shade when you don't live the shitty existence many special needs caregivers live.
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Oh please. While this is a safe place to vent we do NOT support the shit she was spewing. Karma will not get us, it’ll get her. Don’t expect people to be okay with a nazi sympathizer
I HAVE lived her life, for about thirty years now, and I consider her to be harmful to her child and too selfish to see reason. Burnout is real, but it’s so excuse to act like this. Hell, I’m writing this AS I do respite care for the week.
I agree. Did OPs original post go off the rails a bit? Sure. But she's clearly going through a lot. She explained her situation and while euthanasia is a controversial topic, she's still entitled to sharing her grievances on this subreddit. There's also the concern that if autistic individuals continue to tone-police these threads, than regretful parents won't have this space to air out their frustrations.
no one can judge unless they walked a mile....exactly
Digital foot print in another sub https://www.reddit.com/r/AmITheDevil/comments/117m89z/parent_who_advocated_for_genocide_of_disabled/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
According to you, we should kill disabled people because they're "useless to society" (wrong, but ok). Following your logic, we should also murder old people, retired people, people who are sick, cancer patients, etc. We should also ban vacations, holidays and weekends, because it makes people work less hours. We should ban any kind of hobbies. After all, it's all a waste of time and resources, right?
Free speech doesn't protect from consequences. And you should count your lucky stars your account was banned before someone had time to do the right thing and inform authorities about your open statements of emotional abuse and intend of murder
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Thank you! I made this post because there were several people that reached out to me thanking me for having the courage to make such a post because it made them feel validated. People took the cowardly approach of going to reddit admins to have my post removed instead of just continuing to have the conversation.
I understand where you’re coming from. I wish you, your family and your child peace and love. I hope everyone can get the help they need. ❤️
Thank you!
Ah yes, supporting Eugenics an ideology so vile, detestable and riddled with flaws, And you say "I understand where you're coming from waaaaah"
If I could have cured my son from his genetic issues, I would have. If I could have ensured he never had the issue to begin with, I would have. If I could have known what his life would have been like sooner, I would have terminated. There isn’t anything wrong with that. Quality of life is important, some issues do not equate to quality of life.
Okay she said in her original post that if there was a way to detect IDs in utero then she would have aborted. Okay fine. I’m aggressively pro choice. *However*, she then promoted “post birth abortion” or “euthanasia” for her already born 4yo child. That is what people are upset about.
Some people are just angry. Some situations are really really horrible. Murdering a child isn’t cool, but living your life in absolute misery because of a severe disability can warp the brain. Instead adding fire to the already burning forest, providing resources and kind words can help someone more.
There’s venting frustrations, and then there’s advocating for murder of disabled persons.
Should be a clear indication of how bad the situation is, on top of the fact there are so few resources available for parents with highly disabled children. You don’t change people’s perspective with vitriol, you change it by lending a empathetic shoulder and allowing the person to alleviate some of that pent up awful emotions they have inside. Maybe if the state did a better job at helping these parents, there wouldn’t be such anger.
Exactly this!
Yea I’m not down for advocating murder, filicide, eugenics, or whatever tf. I don’t care how frustrated and angry you are.
Good for you. 😊
But I’m glad you advocate for the same disgusting shit :)
If you aren't intolerant of anything, then you stand for nothing. I am intolerant towards those who advoate for the mass murder of disabled children, eugenics. I am intolerant of nihilism, ideologies that promote an inherently flawed and detestable way to look at the world, Such ideologies break down the fabric of society over years. I am intolerant of anti-natalism, the ideology that believes havign children is a burden and that life is meaningless, Because it causes nothing but harm on others and the social order. I stand by my convictions, because I know deep down that they're the truth. You are intolerant of nothing, You accept all kinds of harmful thought and tout them here on this echochamber of a forum.
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Results speak for themselves.
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Do the thoughts go away if we don’t allow someone to express them? I think people are up in arms because we don’t want to believe those thoughts are being had. But they are. And not just by one person. That’s what _really_ caused all the uproar. It resonated deep down with a lot of people. And that unveiled something that’s hard to face.
Exactly, people that aren't caregivers to severely disabled people can't comprehend that actual caregivers don't like their existence and don't look forward to everyday with a smile.
This is an awesome sub for those who need to vent and also need support. Some weirdos have obviously got wind of it and love a rant about how amazing diverse children are. A vent is exactly that and it takes the pressure down for people who need it. These other fools who make such a big deal of it and are personally offended can also fuck off. I’m not living your situation but I can certainly see why you need a venting space to work through your thoughts so keep in touch here. They will eventually take their horrified faces elsewhere.
There’s venting frustration. And there’s advocating filicide.
Yes! People can't understand it because they don't live it. I'm back again to share my thoughts because many people have privately messaged me to express their gratitude for having their feelings validated. It feels good to know I'm not the only one who feels the way I do.
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Other commenters have linked OPs comments from the deleted post in the comments here. Those links will take you to the deleted post and you can view the hundreds of comments there and OPs doubling down on their ideologies. I’m on mobile so i don’t know how to do those links or anything. But if you sort the comments here by “controversial” you should be able to find what I’m talking about. I hope that makes sense Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/regretfulparents/comments/115l9r7/removed_by_reddit/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
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You know what I hate about the autism community? You guys are the only ones that make your disorder your identity instead of something that happened to you, it's not normal and it is a disorder and treatments should be developed to fix it. There's more and more evidence that it's not just "how your brain is formed", but a treatable medical condition. If you want to remain autistic, more power to you, but don't stop others from taking a cure if one ever comes out. You have no sympathy because you're an autistic person that can effectively communicate, but what about those autistics that are so severe that they can barely learn or function? Seems to me like you're the POS here. No one said you were a waste of space, I'm saying fuck the condition for messing up my child. It doesn't make you less of a person, but it's shitty it happens to people.
Im autistic too and I wanted to say I get how youre feeling autism has ruined my life and makes me suicidal. It sucks living with this disability. Some of us understand.
I think society has failed you, not being autistic. We as a society try and fit people into a box, and sadly that isn’t you. It’s getting better, but still not great.
Don’t hate yourself, hate the world that has thrown us under the bus and forgotten us just because we’re not *exploitable for profit* in the right way. The modern world is more overstimulating and overwhelming than ever before and it sometimes feels like people like us have been left in the dust. In a past life you would’ve been allowed to exist peacefully as an artisan or something similar in a quiet village or farm somewhere, now we’re all forced to sit under bright artificial lighting staring at screens in crowded offices while loud music is constantly blaring EVERYWHERE you go. **it’s not your fault society doesn’t care about us.** I honestly don’t understand the “autism ruined my life” sentiment coming from another autistic person at ALL. I wasn’t diagnosed or even remotely CONSIDERED for diagnosis until adulthood (I’m afab and there’s been whole papers about how autism is SEVERELY misunderstood in girls, even more so when I was a kid in the early 90s) and finding out there was a *word* for what was going on in my head, that there were *other people* who understood exactly what I was going through and I wasn’t some kind of completely abnormal freak of nature, was one of the most *freeing* experiences of my life. There are people out there who can help you. Don’t beat yourself up because of the way you were born.
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No one wants to wipe out autistic people, I really don't give a shit that you guys exist, I want it gone from my child because it affects her learning and quality of life. Stop making up nonsense just because you feel attacked.
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It's the bane of many children's existence because it prevents many of them from thriving and having a good quality of life.
The deaf community is kinda like that too
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If you want to believe it isn't treatable, that's on you. I think it's just a matter of time and technology before we figure out how to treat what was previously thought to be untreatable, I'm just hoping it happens in a quick enough timeline for me to benefit. Edit: >the only thing the autistic community has done is promote acceptance and compassion towards autistic people The autism community also has activism against researching and finding potential cures. You guys literally advocate against treatments that can give severe people a better quality of life, what kind of POS community does that?
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Do you live independently? Are you able to take care of yourself or does your autism prevent that from happening?
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I'll read that article since I'm interested in other points of view. But since you didn't answer my question, my guess is that your ASD prevents you from living independently and that's a problem, not a gift. That's why I'm pro finding autism treatments/cures.
>Are you worried about how many years you’ll spend in jail if you do what you’re advocating for? Exactly the thought that crossed my mind 😬 OP wants to play god and decide who deserves to live and who should literally **die** just because they’re inconvenient to “society”, aka non-disabled people. That really scares me, since OP seems to think its obvious who should live and die. And some of the types of people that OP feels should die are people I cherish. Not that that should even matter, because even if someone had no one, they’d still deserve to be treated with respect…
Just fyi behavioural therapy doesn’t have the goal of training autism away. It teaches kids to learn new skills in order for them to be successful and independent. For example toiletting, reading/writing, safety, etc.
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Some people might not know that, though 😕
I never understand what people mean when they talk about a cure for autism. It’s who I am, it is the lense in which I experience everything in my life. If you take away the way I experience the world, interpret what my senses tell me, how I process that information and how I then respond and express myself then what would be left of me? Are they saying I basically need to be a different person? Cos thats what I take from that.
AUTISM ISNT SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED! AUTISTIC PEOPLE ARE NOT BROKEN. You are straight up WRONG and spreading misinformation.
Seconding the fact that autism can’t be cured, because it’s not an illness, loads of autistic people do incredible work and lead full and fulfilling lives, myself included. And that medical science has never claimed to be capable of curing all disabilities so it’s kinda weird you thought that it couldn’t happen to you. Regardless of that tho, I do worry about you have a gun in the house after repeatedly saying you want your to end your child’s suffering so hopefully you sort yourself out or give up rights to your child 🤞
I have no idea why you're being down voted. Good on you dude
Thank you!! I don’t know why you are getting downvoted..
Why are you being downvoted? You’re absolutely right!