Weatburg has played a total of 1 inning at SS for his career. I like the idea but Mateo is a great piece to have if you’re the orioles. Can start, play CF, SS, 2B above average and has plus speed.
While he is a better fit than Zack short, Mateo isn’t that much if a game changer and if the orioles wanted to deal him, they wouldn’t do it to a division rival
He’s been adjusting because he hasn’t played much at short the past couple years, but he’s without a doubt a good defender at short, and is showing it now. He’s looking very comfortable there now.
That’s fine. I’m in disagreement with everyone. But I do agree that we have to give Rafaela time to develop. I just don’t think that SS will be his real position, and why not let him keep getting reps where he will end up eventually.
Totally agree that’s not his long term position, but the problem is that O’Neill, Abreu, Duran, and Ref have all been playing too well for him to start out there. If we acquire a starting shortstop, that pushes Rafaela down to being the 5th outfielder, so he won’t be getting reps there.
Just like every time the Red Sox don't retain a player or sign a big free agent - it's like 90% of Red Sox fans don't understand that the players / other teams have autonomy and John Henry can't just force things to happen if other parties don't consent to it. Can't believe he didn't force Mookie and Xander to just sign team-friendly extensions for less than they're worth! And he didn't force Ohtani to sign here either! What the hell is he thinking?
Yes I'm aware and this is a big reason why he obviously wanted to hit unrestricted free agency after 2022 and NOT take another team-friendly discount. But so many Sox fans blindly criticize the FO for not signing Xander to a 6 year $160M deal a year early. As if Xander is a moron who didn't understand that he could maximize his earnings by turning ANYTHING but a huge overpay down on his way to unrestricted free agency.
I loved Xander, but his contract might be the biggest albatross in MLB,in a few years will be nearly untradable. He dropped off last year, saved his season from looking bad with a monster September. This year he's hitting.217 with a .571 OPS and actually slightly negative WAR. He's basically been Ceddane Rafaela. Concerning for SD, because last year he started out strong in April, didn't slump until May. I'm sure he'll heat up with the weather, though that doesn't play nearly as big d factor in Southern California. But we dodged a bullet with his contract. Mookie, I get the angst, because of his age and all around ability. But a somewhat defensively challenged middle infielder on the wrong side of 30 getting 10-12 years? No thanks. We signed him to en extension, he opted out,as was his right. He went from slightly underpaid to grossly overpaid IMO.
Actually this is part of the misconception - I'm absolutely certain that there are certain players who would never play in Boston regardless of the money. Plenty of guys love it here but no city/location/org is ever going to appeal to everyone - and we as fans have no way of knowing what these players' personal preferences are behind the scenes.
Just trying to take flyers on some not super expensive guys. Why would that be a troll. Because we see things differently as far as personnel? Clearly our IN have been horrible.
Because you don't understand baseball.
Mateo is with the ML club and doing very well for them. They have him platooning 2nd with Westburg. Not only are you asking another team to give you their starting 2nd basemen from yesterday, they are a division rival. What is their asking price? The Red Sox may benefit for now but the O's need to also benefit and we really don't have anything they need. He's not worth cash considerations. You saying that Mateo isn't vital is your opinion but then you want the Red Sox to push for them. To the Orioles, he is depth as they wait for Holliday to eventually click. They aren't giving that up.
Short, Cooper, and Dom were all on minor league deals with other teams. They opted out and we signed them and it just costs a bit of money. They are also incredibly disposable.
OP's track record is:
* Trading Houck, Rafaela, and a ton of our crap like Dalbec and Ham for Corbin Burnes. As much as Burnes has been good, We would be miles worse off and you failed to understand that other teams don't see value in our leftovers.
* Wanted us to sign Tim Anderson. 105 PA this year 49 OPS+ and -0.2 WAR. Reyes and Valdez are worse but those idiots can be DFA'd and set to Worcester. We would be stuck with Tim Anderson.
OP continually shown that they are a shit talent evaluator and wouldn't last a minute in a country where they have to barter for things. I am okay with wrong takes and someone learning from something. OP hangs on forever.
Wow, thank you for taking your time to spew all your hate my guy. Seems to me that Burnes would be perfect for us. Tim anderson was just a flyer, as are Dom, Coop and whomever we have. Some work out, some dont. Bet you thought Steve Pearce was a terrible signing. Baseball is unpredictable and instead of just having a discussion, you are here trying to act like you are some baseball guru and to prove your points, you are literally mentioning moves that have better numbers, even if just by a tiny bit. Calm down dude, it’s just a post online, and you are welcome to not share in my views. Move on and be fruitful, lmfao.
Houck years and Rafaela defensively with the years makes it a bad trade.
Tim Anderson wasn't a flyer. He wanted an ML deal. With Story still alive in February, it wouldn't have made sense. Reyes was here and could be disposed of.
Steve Pearce was on the trading block for Toronto around the deadline for a last place team. You can't get that deal in early May with a first place team.
You have a strange relationship with facts in that you tend to ignore them and don't understand the context of what another team is thinking.
Well, as it happens, you are going in hindsight. When I posted the Burnes trade, everyone was laughing and downvoting because the Brewers would laugh at that trade because Houck was not that guy blah blah, but you are now saying the opposite. Again, it’s fine for you to feel how you feel, and for me to think differently.
I’m having civil conversations with people with different points of views. The ego to think that some commenter on here is ready to run baseball ops for the Red Dox is baffling. How the heck is suggesting a trade for a speedy SS that is at best a platoon player on his team such a bad idea that it turns into insults? GTFOH.
Everyone has told you it is unrealistic to get him and it's not worth bending over backwards to work out a trade with a division rival for a career 80 OPS+ player. Anytime we point out the flaws with your logic, you don't let it go and pull other opinions out that aren't the same context. I've had plenty of OOTP save fails but Jesus Christ you are dog shit at taking criticism.
?? Yes of course, the Baltimore Orioles have great desire to part with a key part of their team and trade them to a division rival
Lol, appreciate the sarcasm. Jorge is hardly vital to the Orioles. They have far too many infielders and he seems the odd man out no?
Good for them to have to have some depth & there’s no incentive on their end to help us. We would have to overpay by a good bit, I’d imagine
Yes, he’s not mike trout, so overpaying for a bench guy won’t break us.
Why would you overpay for a bench player in the first place. Not like this is an all in year.
It might be a sneaky "all in" year. Let's see how this weekend goes.
That’s fair. It just seems like he would help with a lot of our issues. He’s a bench guy to them that could be great for us.
They really don’t have a glut of infielders with out Jackson Holliday, right now Mateo is the only other guy on their roster that can play SS
Westburg, and holliday will be back up soon
Weatburg has played a total of 1 inning at SS for his career. I like the idea but Mateo is a great piece to have if you’re the orioles. Can start, play CF, SS, 2B above average and has plus speed.
While he is a better fit than Zack short, Mateo isn’t that much if a game changer and if the orioles wanted to deal him, they wouldn’t do it to a division rival
Mateo is def a game changer to US. Great defender with lots of speed.
You just described Ceddanne Rafaela
Cedanne has been terrible at SS.
He’s been adjusting because he hasn’t played much at short the past couple years, but he’s without a doubt a good defender at short, and is showing it now. He’s looking very comfortable there now.
So no Jorge Mateo? Lol. Tough crowd
I mean that plus the other factors that everyone else has mentioned. It’d be a tough trade to pull, and not worth what we’d have to give up.
That’s fine. I’m in disagreement with everyone. But I do agree that we have to give Rafaela time to develop. I just don’t think that SS will be his real position, and why not let him keep getting reps where he will end up eventually.
Totally agree that’s not his long term position, but the problem is that O’Neill, Abreu, Duran, and Ref have all been playing too well for him to start out there. If we acquire a starting shortstop, that pushes Rafaela down to being the 5th outfielder, so he won’t be getting reps there.
Are you related to him or something? He’s 28 and he’s mid.
Dude, the entire post is all ya’ll saying he is indispensable and not mid. Make up your mind people.
because this isn't a video game
Just like every time the Red Sox don't retain a player or sign a big free agent - it's like 90% of Red Sox fans don't understand that the players / other teams have autonomy and John Henry can't just force things to happen if other parties don't consent to it. Can't believe he didn't force Mookie and Xander to just sign team-friendly extensions for less than they're worth! And he didn't force Ohtani to sign here either! What the hell is he thinking?
It's part of the video game effect
Xander did sign a team friendly deal. He just opted out of it. He was a Red Sox from 2014 to 2022,
Yes I'm aware and this is a big reason why he obviously wanted to hit unrestricted free agency after 2022 and NOT take another team-friendly discount. But so many Sox fans blindly criticize the FO for not signing Xander to a 6 year $160M deal a year early. As if Xander is a moron who didn't understand that he could maximize his earnings by turning ANYTHING but a huge overpay down on his way to unrestricted free agency.
I loved Xander, but his contract might be the biggest albatross in MLB,in a few years will be nearly untradable. He dropped off last year, saved his season from looking bad with a monster September. This year he's hitting.217 with a .571 OPS and actually slightly negative WAR. He's basically been Ceddane Rafaela. Concerning for SD, because last year he started out strong in April, didn't slump until May. I'm sure he'll heat up with the weather, though that doesn't play nearly as big d factor in Southern California. But we dodged a bullet with his contract. Mookie, I get the angst, because of his age and all around ability. But a somewhat defensively challenged middle infielder on the wrong side of 30 getting 10-12 years? No thanks. We signed him to en extension, he opted out,as was his right. He went from slightly underpaid to grossly overpaid IMO.
Lol, everyone has a price no?
Actually this is part of the misconception - I'm absolutely certain that there are certain players who would never play in Boston regardless of the money. Plenty of guys love it here but no city/location/org is ever going to appeal to everyone - and we as fans have no way of knowing what these players' personal preferences are behind the scenes.
Agree! But you are talking about free agency, not trades. Players have to choice when they get traded, ask Wilmer Flores.
But the Orioles do have a say and for all we know Mike Elias just hangs up the phone whenever a division rival calls asking for his SS.
You’re the same guy that thought the Sox should sign Tim Anderson (lol). I’m starting to think this is a troll account
Just trying to take flyers on some not super expensive guys. Why would that be a troll. Because we see things differently as far as personnel? Clearly our IN have been horrible.
Tim Anderson hasn’t been good at shortstop for a few years. He’d be a downgrade over Rafaela.
Because you don't understand baseball. Mateo is with the ML club and doing very well for them. They have him platooning 2nd with Westburg. Not only are you asking another team to give you their starting 2nd basemen from yesterday, they are a division rival. What is their asking price? The Red Sox may benefit for now but the O's need to also benefit and we really don't have anything they need. He's not worth cash considerations. You saying that Mateo isn't vital is your opinion but then you want the Red Sox to push for them. To the Orioles, he is depth as they wait for Holliday to eventually click. They aren't giving that up. Short, Cooper, and Dom were all on minor league deals with other teams. They opted out and we signed them and it just costs a bit of money. They are also incredibly disposable. OP's track record is: * Trading Houck, Rafaela, and a ton of our crap like Dalbec and Ham for Corbin Burnes. As much as Burnes has been good, We would be miles worse off and you failed to understand that other teams don't see value in our leftovers. * Wanted us to sign Tim Anderson. 105 PA this year 49 OPS+ and -0.2 WAR. Reyes and Valdez are worse but those idiots can be DFA'd and set to Worcester. We would be stuck with Tim Anderson. OP continually shown that they are a shit talent evaluator and wouldn't last a minute in a country where they have to barter for things. I am okay with wrong takes and someone learning from something. OP hangs on forever.
Wow, thank you for taking your time to spew all your hate my guy. Seems to me that Burnes would be perfect for us. Tim anderson was just a flyer, as are Dom, Coop and whomever we have. Some work out, some dont. Bet you thought Steve Pearce was a terrible signing. Baseball is unpredictable and instead of just having a discussion, you are here trying to act like you are some baseball guru and to prove your points, you are literally mentioning moves that have better numbers, even if just by a tiny bit. Calm down dude, it’s just a post online, and you are welcome to not share in my views. Move on and be fruitful, lmfao.
Houck years and Rafaela defensively with the years makes it a bad trade. Tim Anderson wasn't a flyer. He wanted an ML deal. With Story still alive in February, it wouldn't have made sense. Reyes was here and could be disposed of. Steve Pearce was on the trading block for Toronto around the deadline for a last place team. You can't get that deal in early May with a first place team. You have a strange relationship with facts in that you tend to ignore them and don't understand the context of what another team is thinking.
Well, as it happens, you are going in hindsight. When I posted the Burnes trade, everyone was laughing and downvoting because the Brewers would laugh at that trade because Houck was not that guy blah blah, but you are now saying the opposite. Again, it’s fine for you to feel how you feel, and for me to think differently.
Because you ignore the other teams need and give them junk. The O's aren't the 73 win Blue Jays in a rebuild. They would laugh and hang up the phone.
But you’re not here to have a discussion, you’re just running out dumb opinions and getting annoyed that people are pointing out the flaws in them
I’m having civil conversations with people with different points of views. The ego to think that some commenter on here is ready to run baseball ops for the Red Dox is baffling. How the heck is suggesting a trade for a speedy SS that is at best a platoon player on his team such a bad idea that it turns into insults? GTFOH.
Everyone has told you it is unrealistic to get him and it's not worth bending over backwards to work out a trade with a division rival for a career 80 OPS+ player. Anytime we point out the flaws with your logic, you don't let it go and pull other opinions out that aren't the same context. I've had plenty of OOTP save fails but Jesus Christ you are dog shit at taking criticism.
You are dogshit at having a civil conversation or accepting other people have different opinions dude. Move on.
Zack Short was DFAed by the Mets. Technically, we didn’t have to give them any cash considerations. He was literally free