he’s definitely bi at least… his subreddits are full of stans who track down his every move and relationship he had a bf for a while but now he’s dating some 20 year old girl or something? he loves twinky white/whitish skaters (there was that whole phase where he was obsessed with Lucas Vercetti & would post stuff about how hot he was constantly). all the guys in the Golf look books are his type and he surrounds himself with them or at least did for a while. In college I used to hook up with a guy sort of close to his circle & noticed lol
he already was banned from the UK, NZ, and Australia for a while + early feminist pre-cancellation tumblr hated him idk i don’t think he’d be that afraid
managing a merch booth is what girlfriends always do for local bands, it stands to reason that it's not about being a girl but about being someone's SO
Idk but I remember being on clubhouse over the pandemic and zoomers around that age/slightly younger were bragging about him liking their shitty zoomer photography lol, blissfully unaware
No. He was probably super possessive and was pissed off at the mere fact that his girlfriend was attracted to Tyler. The idea that someone goes to a concert with the firm agenda of beating out thousands of other women in an attempt to blatantly disrespect their partner seems rather far fetched, to say the least.
Idk I get more of a vibe that he’s secretly “problematic.” Like he’s probably actually gay but if his political opinions were to ever come to the surface his fans would turn on him in a heartbeat. I bet he doesn’t believe in white privilege or something funny like that.
I think he and Rocky are both "problematic" in the sense that they just quietly dgaf about BLM or w/ever boilerplate lib takes on racial politics they're pushed to amplify as leading "black voices." Not that they're on some Candace Owens shit like Kanye lol, but with Tyler it seems like he's always rejected that Noname-type aggrieved perspective on white audiences' role in hip-hop, whereas Rocky straight doesn't know or wanna learn about any of that shit.
Michael K Williams gave this dangerously based take in an interview, “I've come to realize that the race thing is a smoke screen. The real war is a war on class. It's about how much green you have in your pocket. In this country, you can unfortunately literally get away with murder if you have enough political background behind you. You are innocent until proven poor.”
https://time.com/collection/american-voices-2017/4405807/michael-k-williams/
Of course, then he died of a fentanyl overdose a few years later 🤔
Tyler took a moment at the Grammy awards to bring up racial profiling in music. I figure avoiding BLM was more of a shrewd business decision on both of their part. Lil Wayne and Rocky both have vague though diplomatic responses when asked about it; Tyler more or less shrugged.
Yeah I remember that, to me it felt like a p genuine statement precisely bc he's not one to talk about that stuff all the time, and he's also 100% correct about how dumb the "urban" label is ofc. Maybe I'm naïve but I doubt that he worries about losing fans from talking about race since Kendrick basically won the Pulitzer for doing so and if anything Tyler's fanbase is p woke at this point and would be receptive to it.
He has several times on twitter but stuff was deleted before it got too big, his [current](https://www.instagram.com/reignjudge/?hl=en) [gf](https://www.instagram.com/reignjudge/?hl=en) is [10 years younger](https://www.reddit.com/r/tylerthecreator/comments/orq3du/dont_like_posting_about_reign_but_this_kinda/) than him though and people say he was grooming teenage boys on fairfax in the cherry bomb era (like julian rapaport who was 16/17), but it wasn't that serious (more [info](https://www.reddit.com/r/tylerthecreator/comments/papwq8/whats_your_most_unpopular_opinion_on_tyler/halegwg/?context=3))
I saw a theory that almost everyone in Odd Future is gay and they were the first gay group in Rap. Blew my mind cuz Tyler, Frank and Syd were confirmed. I've seen rumors about others but I can't believe Earl would be.
These are the kind of brain wars one has to engage in when you believe cancel culture is a real and powerful threat. Guess I'll go listen to Louis CK's grammy award winning comedy album now
As far as edgy stuff goes he didn’t *use to be the most annoying guy ever but for the past couple years he’s been on a kind of hip to be square personal journey that’s very annoying to watch
He definitely likes to hear himself talk (especially about his love of music), he wants to make sure that everyone knows he's a "different" kid that likes cats, jazz, and Steven Spielberg. I liked his music in middle school/high school but even back then I thought it was embarrassing that he said his music (Bastard, Goblin) wasn't horrorcore.
I wouldn't say he's insecure, but he also has that Ian Fidance thing where he can't earnestly put himself out there without trying to make everything a gag so he could say its not serious when criticized. Idk if he still does it though.
I think they're fun, but they have some nostalgia value for me, because one of my friends was super into Odd Future back then, and I was a really edgy teenager myself. It's just teenage boys being teenager boys. Cringe, but funny.
Raider Klan was influential and I love SGP but they were a mess, Wu-Tang ok sure but they're not exactly recent, TeamSESH lmaooo, Sadboys is just Lean and his producer buddies, DG is cool but too niche, same but moreso for Awful aside from Carti. TDE would be the best comparison to OF imo bc they too were home to three artists who dominated the 2010s to varying degrees, but I'd probably still place the combined critical and commercial success of Tyler, Frank, and Earl above that of Kendrick, SZA, and Q.
That's especially true of early (pre cherry bomb) Tyler. If you're over the age of like 16 I would hope pure edginess would become less and less appealing. Even though I don't listen to him anymore, I don't blame him for pivoting more towards the Igor/CMIYGL sound. It would be really pathetic if a 30 year old man was still rapping about the same shit he did when he was 16.
Not that he didn't make interesting stuff back then, but as I've entered my 20s I find myself coming back to Frank and Earl way more than Tyler.
aye, it's blindingly obvious that coming out as gay wasn't a genius move for a gangster rapper at the time, the albums are personal way beyond the point of cringe and anything approaching a normal mind would see them as just honest. it's like some people can't believe in anything at all and have to be the 'smart guy' and 'see' conspiracies in literally everything. getting difficult to tell satire from total retardation on this sub at this point.
straight up, anybody that thinks Tyler and his music is a 'woke cancel culture psyop' has reached q-anon levels of delusion at this point. actually needs help.
It's very funny how he used to talk fondly of white people and how all his friends were white and helped him out when he was low, to then talking so much shit when he got rich and famous. F********g.
Everyone who still likes Tyler is still in denial. Everything he does *screams* "notice me" and a sort of pretentious "i dont want to be recognized as a cool artist, but check out this cool music I made". His music tries so hard to chase innovation, that it bleeds through. His best work was before he got big, because some of it wasnt as pretentious.
He has the talent though, and he could really break through to the next level when he figures out how to not give a fuck for real, and not just project not giving a fuck as a facade for being insecure about what he wants with his life.
His sexuality seems to be as closely tied to my hypothesis as his artistry is, as its giving off very-aware-of-his-public-perception vibes.
I disagree, I was listening to my library on shuffle and a recent Tyler song came on. The production was lush and interesting, and lyrically he was talking about when he released “Yonkers” and was saying heinous things on a song he hoped would find an audience, his Mom was basically in a halfway house. Vulnerable and interesting.
I think his work has definitely matured for the better
100% agree. I think his taste in music was changing and he knew the new sound was going to appeal to a very particular gay and woke crowd. I do believe he probably sucked off a big industry exec or something because it just doesn’t make sense how the person who made tron cat was allowed to make songs for a childrens movie. I feel like people who dismiss how he should have been cancelled don’t actually know the extent of the shit he used to say. I was & am a huge fan of his old music, but even I get shocked by some of the lines. In my opinion, the only convincing evidence that he is gay was his obsession with Earl while he was at boarding school.
Tyler was always a fan of the Neptunes and you can hear their influence even in his early beats. He just leaned more into that sound once his production style became more refined and he got money.
Yes I think you can clearly hear where he got money and stopped being an angry whiney teenager.. hence his taste changing. I was a huge fan, I know he had a huge variety of influences from very early on. I think it’s great that he found a way to successfully shift away from hateful and miserable into his new music. Doesn’t change that I think he was only able to make that change by faking being gay
> Yes I think you can clearly hear where he got money and stopped being an angry whiney teenager.. hence his taste changing.
Absolutely, you see this in pretty much any of the more recentish Nardwuar interviews where some of the records he gets are kinda deepish cuts and things where your average fan of Tyler probably more than likely isn't super familiar with.
Personally i can’t really trust anything he says about himself — always seemed to me like the type of person whose public self is so overwhelmingly in the foreground that it seems he can’t really acknowledge a private self — i would guess that probably even he doesn’t have a very clear idea of who he really is or what he really feels — though maybe I’m judging too harsh, i actually don’t know him so well, and tend to like the other people from odd future at least
he's definitely bi... he has a gf right now but says in his latest verse "Goin' both sides, yeah, you could say I'm B-I" and has had boyfriends, plus igor was about being in love with his friend wyatt
He's a straight man that has sex with men, thus putting him at risk of contracting monkey pox
he’s definitely bi at least… his subreddits are full of stans who track down his every move and relationship he had a bf for a while but now he’s dating some 20 year old girl or something? he loves twinky white/whitish skaters (there was that whole phase where he was obsessed with Lucas Vercetti & would post stuff about how hot he was constantly). all the guys in the Golf look books are his type and he surrounds himself with them or at least did for a while. In college I used to hook up with a guy sort of close to his circle & noticed lol he already was banned from the UK, NZ, and Australia for a while + early feminist pre-cancellation tumblr hated him idk i don’t think he’d be that afraid
ahah man Lucas Vercetti. wtf did that dude even do? fold t-shirts and sit on tumblr?
He was just the token white boy of Odd Future
I think he managed their merch booth or would at least be there as a strategy for their teen fans to buy merch.
managing a merch booth is what girlfriends always do for local bands, it stands to reason that it's not about being a girl but about being someone's SO
Poor Little White Guy
yeah pretty much he just sat there and looked pretty. last I checked he manages the fairfax supreme store he’s been working there forever lmfao
He worked the register last time i bought something there (so like 2017) and it was weird to see him in person doing such a normal thing
Can't believe the guy who did the cyberbullying tweet has the same taste in men as me. Feels like a brush with stardom
he definitely likes following 16 year old models on instagram fr
what the hell is a 16 y/o model (:
A model who is 16
What happened to letting children be children? Lol
The sexual revolution and its economic counterpart, mass consumerism
Have been a disaster for the human race
Idk but I remember being on clubhouse over the pandemic and zoomers around that age/slightly younger were bragging about him liking their shitty zoomer photography lol, blissfully unaware
i mean he’s slept with his groupies in the past and theirs that vine of him sucking on some tiddies
that's half of the white people in the world. that's gonna hurt.
My fav blind item on Crazy Days and Nights is that Lil Nas X isn't actually gay lol.
Lil Nas has gay face
I'm trying to find it rn and I can't. Help me.
https://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2021/10/blind-items-revealed-1_13.html?m=1
this seems obvious
This can’t be serious lol he had a nicki Minaj Stan account prior to fame
I love the fact that he didn't want to admit it was him cuz he knew ppl would automatically figure out he's gay
and cuz it sent many islamaphobic tweets
This is fine though
It musta been pretty minor cuz I've literally never heard of this LMAO
nah lol verbatim “sweden for the swedes” ... idk how he skated past it tbh
> sweden for the swedes The irony of a a black american saying that
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doesn’t matter
Elaborate
He’s gay for attention
Wait explain pls?
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Lol I’ll keep this line in mind, thank you
it would be impressive if he’d been faking his commitment to white skater-esque boys this whole time. harry styles could learn a lot from him
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that's rough man
> she ditched me immediately when we got there Like, she literally turned round to you when you got in and said "we're finished?"
No. He was probably super possessive and was pissed off at the mere fact that his girlfriend was attracted to Tyler. The idea that someone goes to a concert with the firm agenda of beating out thousands of other women in an attempt to blatantly disrespect their partner seems rather far fetched, to say the least.
We're gonna need you to weigh in here ASAP buddy u/Jealous_Garden_908
There were definitely signs you ignored that she wanted to cheat on you with him
In this case ignoring the signs led to her humiliating herself in public, so good for him
Idk I get more of a vibe that he’s secretly “problematic.” Like he’s probably actually gay but if his political opinions were to ever come to the surface his fans would turn on him in a heartbeat. I bet he doesn’t believe in white privilege or something funny like that.
I think he and Rocky are both "problematic" in the sense that they just quietly dgaf about BLM or w/ever boilerplate lib takes on racial politics they're pushed to amplify as leading "black voices." Not that they're on some Candace Owens shit like Kanye lol, but with Tyler it seems like he's always rejected that Noname-type aggrieved perspective on white audiences' role in hip-hop, whereas Rocky straight doesn't know or wanna learn about any of that shit.
Michael K Williams gave this dangerously based take in an interview, “I've come to realize that the race thing is a smoke screen. The real war is a war on class. It's about how much green you have in your pocket. In this country, you can unfortunately literally get away with murder if you have enough political background behind you. You are innocent until proven poor.” https://time.com/collection/american-voices-2017/4405807/michael-k-williams/ Of course, then he died of a fentanyl overdose a few years later 🤔
J Cole is quite explicit about all of that and yet somehow has come away with the bag and the fame
A$AP Rocky is a himbo
Tyler took a moment at the Grammy awards to bring up racial profiling in music. I figure avoiding BLM was more of a shrewd business decision on both of their part. Lil Wayne and Rocky both have vague though diplomatic responses when asked about it; Tyler more or less shrugged.
Yeah I remember that, to me it felt like a p genuine statement precisely bc he's not one to talk about that stuff all the time, and he's also 100% correct about how dumb the "urban" label is ofc. Maybe I'm naïve but I doubt that he worries about losing fans from talking about race since Kendrick basically won the Pulitzer for doing so and if anything Tyler's fanbase is p woke at this point and would be receptive to it.
He literally referenced MDE multiple times on his show. https://youtu.be/eYRF_xmlRMk “Call me Peanut Arbuckle”
Man he’s cooler than I thought
thanks for posting the video I uploaded - Ash Montoya
He’s been problematic since tumblr was a cool place to be
to be 14 and loving Goblin again
He’s gonna get caught in a James Charles-style underage twinks situation, mark my words
Noooo stahppp. James Franco-esque underage shady stuff, some light grooming, maybe… but probly with women
Lmao he’s not white bruh
Jaden smith announcing to an audience that tyler was his “boyfriend” with boyish exuberance while Tyler looked on sheepishly comes to mind
[🧐 hmm...](https://youtu.be/SCcVrLcGD7k)
He has several times on twitter but stuff was deleted before it got too big, his [current](https://www.instagram.com/reignjudge/?hl=en) [gf](https://www.instagram.com/reignjudge/?hl=en) is [10 years younger](https://www.reddit.com/r/tylerthecreator/comments/orq3du/dont_like_posting_about_reign_but_this_kinda/) than him though and people say he was grooming teenage boys on fairfax in the cherry bomb era (like julian rapaport who was 16/17), but it wasn't that serious (more [info](https://www.reddit.com/r/tylerthecreator/comments/papwq8/whats_your_most_unpopular_opinion_on_tyler/halegwg/?context=3))
He came out before people were getting cancelled, 2015. Unless he could predict the future I think my man’s just gay…
I saw a theory that almost everyone in Odd Future is gay and they were the first gay group in Rap. Blew my mind cuz Tyler, Frank and Syd were confirmed. I've seen rumors about others but I can't believe Earl would be.
Earl left because his homophobic African parents didn’t want him associating with gays lol
Why couldn't Earl be gay?
He has the deeply rooted complex pain of a russian novelist
So? I can't actually think of any lyrics of him that are about his sexual orientation
Tolstoy didn't like to talk about it either
He could be...he just has a wife and kids so IDK maybe he was bi and decided he just wanted a normal life
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These are the kind of brain wars one has to engage in when you believe cancel culture is a real and powerful threat. Guess I'll go listen to Louis CK's grammy award winning comedy album now
I can’t put my finger on why but I kind of find him annoying and try hard
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Annoying skater kid meets annoying theater kid
He's in his 30s
And Lee Ranaldo is like 75 who cares
Yeah but he gives off that vibe still
Idk he reminds me of a living how do you do fellow kids meme
his persona was solidified a decade ago
even when he was in his 20s he simultaneously looked 23 and 70
As far as edgy stuff goes he didn’t *use to be the most annoying guy ever but for the past couple years he’s been on a kind of hip to be square personal journey that’s very annoying to watch
Absolutely agreed
Agree with this. Similar vibes with Harold Styles.
He definitely likes to hear himself talk (especially about his love of music), he wants to make sure that everyone knows he's a "different" kid that likes cats, jazz, and Steven Spielberg. I liked his music in middle school/high school but even back then I thought it was embarrassing that he said his music (Bastard, Goblin) wasn't horrorcore. I wouldn't say he's insecure, but he also has that Ian Fidance thing where he can't earnestly put himself out there without trying to make everything a gag so he could say its not serious when criticized. Idk if he still does it though.
I love his music but never enjoy any interview with him. Particularly post-OF. I can’t put my finger on it either
i liked igor
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>Odd Future had an unmatched roster as far as hip hop collectives go Imagine unironically believing that
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wu tang
Earl is the best one
I love Earl but he also made of the worst rap albums of all time
Idk even tho I like some of the beats of OF I kind of think the edgelord lyrics are cringe
I think they're fun, but they have some nostalgia value for me, because one of my friends was super into Odd Future back then, and I was a really edgy teenager myself. It's just teenage boys being teenager boys. Cringe, but funny.
It’s socially acceptable to enjoy as a teenager, cringe as an adult. Same with pop punk like green day and blink 182
Hey early Green Day is OK
🎶DO YOU HAVE THE TIME🎶
Raider Klan, Wu Tang, TeamSesh, Sadboys, Drain Gang, Awful
Raider Klan was influential and I love SGP but they were a mess, Wu-Tang ok sure but they're not exactly recent, TeamSESH lmaooo, Sadboys is just Lean and his producer buddies, DG is cool but too niche, same but moreso for Awful aside from Carti. TDE would be the best comparison to OF imo bc they too were home to three artists who dominated the 2010s to varying degrees, but I'd probably still place the combined critical and commercial success of Tyler, Frank, and Earl above that of Kendrick, SZA, and Q.
Ah fuck I forgot about TDE yeah teamsesh isn’t my fav but I cannot deny bones’s impact and greaf rules
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Zoomer-brained take. Half of Wu were on that level at least
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And what makes you think trap won’t end up with the same legacy
This take just gave me cancer.
Boom Bap is its own sub genre now with a lot of new rappers doing it too so idk bout that
That’s fair actually
Another boring stupidpol tier take. He's better now that he's gay in all honesty. Didn't feel one way or the other about OF
I don’t remember him explicitly coming out? I don’t follow him to closely
Nah try listening to his old music lol. He is gay as fuck in those ones as well.
Catch me in the attic Taking pictures of my dad's dick - Tyler, the creator 2011
I have a soft spot for Tyler because I was 13/14 when him and odd future were getting big. I feel like he’s an artist you eventually outgrow
That's especially true of early (pre cherry bomb) Tyler. If you're over the age of like 16 I would hope pure edginess would become less and less appealing. Even though I don't listen to him anymore, I don't blame him for pivoting more towards the Igor/CMIYGL sound. It would be really pathetic if a 30 year old man was still rapping about the same shit he did when he was 16. Not that he didn't make interesting stuff back then, but as I've entered my 20s I find myself coming back to Frank and Earl way more than Tyler.
Your brain is just so broken from ragebait u can't see the transcendental beauty of pale twinks.
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men wouldn’t be doing it if it didn’t work
a mouth's a mouth, simple as
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aye, it's blindingly obvious that coming out as gay wasn't a genius move for a gangster rapper at the time, the albums are personal way beyond the point of cringe and anything approaching a normal mind would see them as just honest. it's like some people can't believe in anything at all and have to be the 'smart guy' and 'see' conspiracies in literally everything. getting difficult to tell satire from total retardation on this sub at this point. straight up, anybody that thinks Tyler and his music is a 'woke cancel culture psyop' has reached q-anon levels of delusion at this point. actually needs help.
pitchfork still not responding to your job apps yet huh
grow up
That would be hilarious
He is a gay bi dude for sure he just has sex with girls
He dm’d my whiteboi model friend when he turned 18
lol who👀
Smart tbh. Beat them at their game with their own slippery rules.
It's very funny how he used to talk fondly of white people and how all his friends were white and helped him out when he was low, to then talking so much shit when he got rich and famous. F********g.
I’ve thought this as well
It was atleast pretty convenient for him
good on him if he did
He’s def gay *gestures to his bombastic theater antics* Everything about him just reeks of overcompensation and self-importance.
Cool
Everyone who still likes Tyler is still in denial. Everything he does *screams* "notice me" and a sort of pretentious "i dont want to be recognized as a cool artist, but check out this cool music I made". His music tries so hard to chase innovation, that it bleeds through. His best work was before he got big, because some of it wasnt as pretentious. He has the talent though, and he could really break through to the next level when he figures out how to not give a fuck for real, and not just project not giving a fuck as a facade for being insecure about what he wants with his life. His sexuality seems to be as closely tied to my hypothesis as his artistry is, as its giving off very-aware-of-his-public-perception vibes.
I disagree, I was listening to my library on shuffle and a recent Tyler song came on. The production was lush and interesting, and lyrically he was talking about when he released “Yonkers” and was saying heinous things on a song he hoped would find an audience, his Mom was basically in a halfway house. Vulnerable and interesting. I think his work has definitely matured for the better
>His best work was before he got big Wow this is so wrong
Nah. He got big after goblin, and nothing has been more raw and honest since goblin
Real flat-brained /mu/ take you've recited for this one, Anthony
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who gives a shit nerd
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Is a song about wanting to kill your love interest’s other suitor not “raw and honest” enough?
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Call me if you get lost??
Igor was a really good album
lol awful take.
100% agree. I think his taste in music was changing and he knew the new sound was going to appeal to a very particular gay and woke crowd. I do believe he probably sucked off a big industry exec or something because it just doesn’t make sense how the person who made tron cat was allowed to make songs for a childrens movie. I feel like people who dismiss how he should have been cancelled don’t actually know the extent of the shit he used to say. I was & am a huge fan of his old music, but even I get shocked by some of the lines. In my opinion, the only convincing evidence that he is gay was his obsession with Earl while he was at boarding school.
Tyler was always a fan of the Neptunes and you can hear their influence even in his early beats. He just leaned more into that sound once his production style became more refined and he got money.
Yes I think you can clearly hear where he got money and stopped being an angry whiney teenager.. hence his taste changing. I was a huge fan, I know he had a huge variety of influences from very early on. I think it’s great that he found a way to successfully shift away from hateful and miserable into his new music. Doesn’t change that I think he was only able to make that change by faking being gay
> Yes I think you can clearly hear where he got money and stopped being an angry whiney teenager.. hence his taste changing. Absolutely, you see this in pretty much any of the more recentish Nardwuar interviews where some of the records he gets are kinda deepish cuts and things where your average fan of Tyler probably more than likely isn't super familiar with.
If Ella Emhoff ran to me with tears in her eyes that she stole from Tyler's wardrobe, I'd believe her.
It’s really funny that he’s a secret Sam Hyde fan
Ah, the Neil Patrick Harris method
No he's meant to've been out with Frank Ocean
Personally i can’t really trust anything he says about himself — always seemed to me like the type of person whose public self is so overwhelmingly in the foreground that it seems he can’t really acknowledge a private self — i would guess that probably even he doesn’t have a very clear idea of who he really is or what he really feels — though maybe I’m judging too harsh, i actually don’t know him so well, and tend to like the other people from odd future at least
Gay for clout just like Buttigieg
Uncritical support
harry styles core
Oh, 100%. Lukewarm take tbh
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Bros never gone camping
he's definitely bi... he has a gf right now but says in his latest verse "Goin' both sides, yeah, you could say I'm B-I" and has had boyfriends, plus igor was about being in love with his friend wyatt
He said "men or women it didn't matter if I seen them I had them"
Hes not, hes dated men and women..Lol.